| 00:00.58 | dani_elle | I'm actually curious, has anyone implemented a non WoW-esque looking UI for their addons here? Something that's distincively not WoW and yet doesn't make you want to gouge your eyes out like Vuhdoo. |
| 00:04.49 | dani_elle | Also is there a way to profile addons? I noticed that when I disable everything aside from my own addon, WoW reloads are like super fast, I'm just wondering if there's a way to find out which addons are causing such a huge loading screen bottleneck. |
| 00:05.09 | dani_elle | It's like 1/3rd of a second versus 5 sec. |
| 00:10.21 | ls- | well, plenty of people make their addons in flat style because it's the most PITA-less approach, rectangles and flat colours are easy to deal with |
| 00:10.50 | dani_elle | Has anyone made a library similar to imgui but for WoW addons? |
| 00:11.31 | ls- | as for profiling, there's cpu thieves and other similar addons |
| 00:11.42 | dani_elle | I tried warmup for addon profiling but it's not very informative. |
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| 00:18.54 | ls- | as for impact on loading times, I'd say that the only addon that impacts mine is TSM because that suite is huge, it's so big that it even affects UI texture loading times, lol |
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| 01:10.38 | fewyn | does anyone use kodi on a firestick? if so what builds are people using? |
| 01:13.32 | dani_elle | ls-: it seems the biggest delay is caused by the GC sweep just as the loading screen ends. |
| 01:20.33 | Funkeh` | afaik wow don't GC on loading screen, so you probably have an addon doing that |
| 01:22.04 | dani_elle | Yeah I just downloaded warmup, I think it's forcing it, but I mean the loading time is still horrid and there's no indication of the bottleneck, I'm guessing addons that allocate a lot of memory would naturally cause slow loads because of incremental GC. |
| 01:26.03 | Iriel | dani_elle: large incremental memory allocations, or massive saved variables/source files are going to be (relatively) slow |
| 01:30.50 | dani_elle | God, so many addons causing 4-5MB allocations. |
| 01:31.57 | dani_elle | IIRC large allocation cause the WoW's memory allocator for Lua to just fallback on libstorm to allocate memory, which uses the OS allocator on windows and dlmalloc on OSX. |
| 01:32.57 | dani_elle | 5MB for a castbar addon :S |
| 01:36.00 | dani_elle | It seems a lot of addons in general have very little regard for memory, spam allocate frames instead of pooling them, leak memory, uh. |
| 01:38.10 | dani_elle | Maybe it's not their fault, I mean I've ran into a case once where a local table wasn't GC'd until a full sweep in an OnUpdate handler. |
| 01:38.36 | dani_elle | Which caused huge memory use spikes and drops, over and over. |
| 01:39.43 | dani_elle | Don't know enough about the Lua 5.1 GC to work out the root cause, but it was a really annyoing thing to debug. |
| 01:54.13 | dani_elle | Also how does Ace work, does it make sense to have something like !libAce and !libSharedMedia and other stuff load separately before everything else so there's no issues with any addons using an outdated version and Ace having to then undo the stuff the older version did (like timer transition). |
| 01:54.49 | dani_elle | Though I don't imagine that would cause enough of an impact. |
| 01:56.31 | dani_elle | Otherwise I presume, in the worst case scenario you could get something like really old libace -> newer libace -> newer libace -> newer libace. |
| 01:57.19 | dani_elle | Since it tears down the stuff older versions have set up in some cases and transitions it over to newer implementations. |
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| 02:32.54 | Iriel | Ok, I think i've now downloaded everything from blizzcon that I care about but missed while watching OverWatch in the arena! |
| 02:47.58 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that a real blizzcon ticket doesn't give you access to the digital pass is insanity |
| 02:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | also, the limited streaming window |
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| 03:02.10 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies: it does |
| 03:02.15 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies: it has for a couple of years. |
| 03:02.20 | Iriel | The limited window IS annoying |
| 03:02.28 | Mr_Rabies | oh does it |
| 03:02.29 | Mr_Rabies | that's good |
| 03:02.54 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking i've seen a "DISCOUNT ON THE VIRTUAL TICKET FOR BLIZZCON TICKETHOLDERS" thing |
| 03:03.05 | Mr_Rabies | guess not |
| 03:03.20 | Iriel | The virtual ticket is why I spent so much of my BC time watching the eSports |
| 03:03.32 | Mr_Rabies | i uh |
| 03:03.44 | Iriel | Plus it helps the inevitable contention when there are 2 good panels in the same timeslot, especially now there are so many stages |
| 03:04.06 | Mr_Rabies | did my usual combination of pirate streams and youtube :v |
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| 03:45.35 | A-KO | Given the amount of content a 3rd day would probably be warranted but man would it be tough on all involved. |
| 03:49.21 | A-KO | One of the big challenges I think is the dominance OW had in its esports presence compared to the other games. I was finding myself really unable to watch OW finals due to overlap with the other tournaments. |
| 03:49.37 | A-KO | Not sure how that'll be solved next year |
| 03:50.39 | A-KO | I know people like the concert, but to me that'd be the first thing to go. Hall D is an incredibly large amount of room that goes unused basically towards the tail end of Saturday :/ |
| 03:51.43 | A-KO | and if OW continues to grow in its popularity for esports viewing, Hall D makes great spillover space from the arena. |
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| 06:12.30 | Iriel | A-KO: I had more or less the same problem as you in reverse, I was in the arena from just after 9am until the end of the OW finals. |
| 06:12.38 | Iriel | (On Saturday) |
| 06:13.50 | Iriel | Though that meant I had a good seat https://photos.app.goo.gl/wDEgYD0o6rIuaYLF2 |
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| 06:38.42 | Fisker | Hey kd3 |
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| 09:39.20 | Andols | Iriel: Yep that's a nice seat :) |
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| 13:13.35 | Gnarfoz | anyone have an idea what this might be from? https://giphy.com/gifs/12WuU3pcOx8e2Y/html5 |
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| 14:09.04 | Andols | Memecenter.com |
| 14:09.47 | Andols | :D No clue :( |
| 14:35.43 | Gnarfoz | I thought Terminator 2 at first, but that looks different ^^ |
| 14:36.02 | Maldivia | nuke it from above! |
| 14:36.15 | Maldivia | orbit* |
| 14:36.23 | Gnarfoz | that is the search term I used for giphy in our Slack |
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| 14:42.00 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWiQYUByuCg -- 2:20 mark |
| 14:42.30 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: there are some sources in the text, might be one of them |
| 14:42.56 | nevcairiel | what kind of religious shit did you dig up there :D |
| 14:43.12 | Maldivia | it was the first youtube video I found with it int :D |
| 14:44.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah wtf is that |
| 14:45.17 | Gnarfoz | good find, but the sources are at least as weird as the video itself |
| 14:45.34 | Gnarfoz | the scene right before that one is from Terminator |
| 14:45.50 | Gnarfoz | I'm actually somewhat sure I might have seen whatever that is from before |
| 14:46.13 | Gnarfoz | perhaps BSG? hmm, I think that was shown from a orbital perspective |
| 14:46.51 | nevcairiel | i thought bsg, but couldnt find any appropriate shots |
| 14:51.18 | Maldivia | here it is with american dad sound to it: https://coub.com/view/1rayl |
| 14:51.51 | nevcairiel | its also a bit longer |
| 14:56.12 | Gnarfoz | https://youtu.be/asqH5ig9B4Q?t=50s has it, but no description |
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| 15:06.16 | Maldivia | found it :D |
| 15:06.41 | Maldivia | Terminator 3 -- https://youtu.be/HRkXbTTYfSU?t=3m58s |
| 15:06.58 | Maldivia | thank you, now I can forget about it again |
| 15:07.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:07.45 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:07.46 | Gnarfoz | thanks |
| 15:15.35 | Thunder_Child | That only took 2 hours. |
| 15:26.26 | Gnarfoz | https://www.diffen.com/difference/Gross_vs_Net |
| 15:28.02 | Thunder_Child | I agree, it was gross. |
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| 20:30.13 | haste | Gnarfoz: :/ |
| 20:39.53 | Gnarfoz | it' |
| 20:39.56 | Gnarfoz | s amazing :P |
| 20:43.47 | Gnarfoz | nice, command center gave me the other something-else/+100 OR legendary follower item, so now I have a WQ slave that gives +300 OR per WQ |
| 20:44.07 | Gnarfoz | (now I only need to find motivation to do WQs :P) |
| 20:44.10 | nevcairiel | i have one with a 50g/100or and 100or/ap item |
| 20:44.13 | nevcairiel | what else is there? |
| 20:44.21 | Gnarfoz | the regular +100 epic item |
| 20:44.26 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 20:44.30 | Gnarfoz | I just got the 50g/100or legendarhy |
| 20:44.39 | Gnarfoz | already had the 100or/AP token one |
| 20:44.44 | nevcairiel | i have the 50g/100or double |
| 20:44.53 | nevcairiel | got the second one today in fact |
| 20:45.10 | Gnarfoz | (ironically, that follower already had 2 legendaries, and the one I just replaced was the "ap token/50g" one) |
| 20:45.35 | Gnarfoz | OR > AP, with these Argus mission prices |
| 20:46.55 | Fisker | It's Seerah |
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| 22:28.22 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 22:50.09 | pompy | sigh^2 |
| 22:53.48 | Stanzilla | thiqq |
| 23:12.47 | nevcairiel | did steam just go down |
| 23:16.13 | Thunder_Child | Seems like it. |
| 23:27.52 | Stanzilla | https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/34175-comments-on-upcoming-mmr-changes-by-lead-systems-designer-travis-mcgeathy/ |
| 23:27.56 | Stanzilla | damn |
| 23:28.09 | Stanzilla | that is what I wanted to paste: [steamstat.us] â¿ Seeing major #Steam connection manager servers downtime (100% down). |
| 23:28.35 | Stanzilla | looks online again though |
| 23:32.36 | pompy | yeah steam looks fine |