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| 07:21.33 | bluspacecowtoo | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20759251638#post-1 |
| 07:21.45 | bluspacecowtoo | "Will code from 2004/05 be hacker friendly through the games LUI, addon's, macros..., that could compromise player account data due to unknown code/system exploits?" |
| 07:21.48 | bluspacecowtoo | thoughts ? |
| 07:22.58 | bluspacecowtoo | not sure if we had the addon sandbox we have now |
| 07:30.13 | nebula | who cares, classic discussion is pointless right now |
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| 07:34.15 | bluspacecowtoo | :( |
| 07:34.21 | bluspacecowtoo | so mean! |
| 07:34.28 | nebula | comforts bluspacecowtoo |
| 07:34.32 | Torhal | removes bluspacecowtoo's points. |
| 07:34.36 | Torhal | Now you are also pointless. |
| 07:35.07 | nebula | or maybe you have infinite points, now |
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| 09:00.57 | ls- | bluspacecowtoo: there's no sandbox in vanilla, secenv was introduced in TBC, well, its pre-patch |
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| 09:01.23 | bluspacecowtoo | oh ? |
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| 09:02.11 | ls- | you could write rotation bot in Lua w/o any hacks :p |
| 09:02.17 | bluspacecow | so exactly what bad addon stuff was possible ? |
| 09:02.28 | bluspacecow | in the way of account security |
| 09:03.10 | ls- | I remember duping techniques, but not security related stuff... >_< |
| 09:04.46 | ls- | but you could think about recent stuff, like, gold auto-trade fiasco that happened in WoD? |
| 09:05.08 | ls- | you could do the same stuff in Vanilla for sure |
| 09:06.40 | ls- | but I don't remember anything that's related to acc security T_T sorry |
| 09:09.03 | ls- | I wonder if it's possible to mess w/ login screen and other stuff... >_> |
| 09:09.23 | ls- | I think there's something like that in early Vanilla.... |
| 09:09.29 | ls- | was too long ago T_T |
| 09:10.20 | ls- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.25 | nevcairiel | anything the player can do, the UI can automate in vanilla |
| 09:11.35 | nevcairiel | even walking, well, at least in early vanilla versions |
| 09:11.42 | nevcairiel | they locked down walking at some point |
| 09:12.15 | nevcairiel | actual account security is probably not impacted |
| 09:12.29 | nevcairiel | however malicious scripts could make your character do all sorts of crazy things |
| 09:13.24 | ls- | just imagine classic being released w/ untouched 2004 api w/o secenv in 2017 :D |
| 09:13.45 | ls- | ah, tears of joy *_* |
| 09:14.59 | haste | highly doubt that will happen |
| 09:15.16 | haste | afaik the modifications made to Lua to support tainting wasn't that big |
| 09:15.31 | ls- | that's why I said "just imagine"... |
| 09:15.56 | ls- | it'd be glorious |
| 09:16.20 | haste | It would be one more reason not to play it :D |
| 09:17.00 | ls- | I like watching the world burn >:D |
| 09:17.54 | nevcairiel | it would be better to just remove addon support instead of going with 1.x addons =p |
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| 09:40.49 | Torhal | The API was severely lacking. :D |
| 09:41.07 | Torhal | Couldn't get spell names from ID, for example, IIRC. |
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| 09:52.03 | nevcairiel | yeah thats why shit like babble-spell existed |
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| 10:14.46 | kristina | i have a fork of lua 5.1.4 somewhere that mimicks some aspects of wow lua environment including taint, framexml, some base support for frame object bits and events, though it's mostly ripped off how blizz implemented it so i'm not too sure if they would get upset if i released it. |
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| 12:31.30 | karl_w_w | geniuses lend me your aid |
| 12:31.45 | karl_w_w | what video-related number is close to 1000? |
| 12:32.13 | karl_w_w | like if audio was falling out of synch by about 1 second every 1000 why is that? |
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| 12:34.25 | karl_w_w | oh, it's the difference between rounding the framerate up to 30 or 24 instead of using the exact number |
| 12:53.08 | AcidWeb | oh god what happened with curse layout |
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| 12:58.00 | AcidWeb | Also who was a genius who set "Popularity" as default filter. |
| 12:58.08 | Torhal | AcidWeb: Do you mean www.curseforge.com? That's a replacement for mods.curse.com - was kinda thrown up without all of the polish it was due because it gets rid of the whole synchronization step. |
| 12:58.27 | Torhal | AcidWeb: That's been the default for three years. If you set it to Last Updated, it'll stick. |
| 12:59.40 | AcidWeb | Im talking about this: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons |
| 12:59.49 | Torhal | Yes. So am I. |
| 13:00.00 | Torhal | Set it to Last Updated, and every time you go back that's what you'll see. |
| 13:00.24 | Torhal | Oh, I see that's broken there. Awesome. |
| 13:01.18 | AcidWeb | Well i'm more talking about shutdown of https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow |
| 13:02.23 | AcidWeb | Some random wow ppl entering page to search for current popular wow addons |
| 13:02.25 | Torhal | www.curseforge.com replaced mods.curse.com |
| 13:02.32 | AcidWeb | and that he see? LibSub. |
| 13:02.40 | AcidWeb | *LibStub |
| 13:02.46 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 13:03.30 | Torhal | We had to run a synchronization job which randomly broke for the past decade, and now we don't - this means when you update, it's immediately both there and shortly thereafter available in the app. |
| 13:04.02 | Torhal | And as I said, they threw it up without doing all due diligence because the syncing had become a horrible issue. |
| 13:04.18 | Torhal | They'll be working on it for at least the next two weeks to iron all the shittiness out. |
| 13:04.33 | bluspacecow | are they ever going to fix that ? |
| 13:04.46 | AcidWeb | Well they have much, much to do. |
| 13:04.49 | bluspacecow | Just do a Torhal Barrell Roll - rewrite the entire thing |
| 13:04.51 | AcidWeb | This page look like shit. |
| 13:04.56 | AcidWeb | IMHO ð |
| 13:05.05 | Torhal | I agree. |
| 13:05.30 | AcidWeb | And it will confuse regular wow ppl. |
| 13:05.43 | Torhal | Howso? |
| 13:05.47 | Torhal | The sorting? |
| 13:06.36 | AcidWeb | Yeah that for start. |
| 13:07.05 | AcidWeb | IMHO monthly donwloads should be default. |
| 13:07.07 | AcidWeb | or total |
| 13:07.10 | AcidWeb | just not popularity |
| 13:07.51 | Torhal | Popularity is supposed to be a distillation of monthly downloads... |
| 13:08.03 | Torhal | But there is obviously a skew here; libraries shouldn't be in the top/ |
| 13:08.07 | Torhal | I let the devs know. |
| 13:08.15 | AcidWeb | Well in this case i would suggest to exclude libs. |
| 13:08.24 | Torhal | You can't. |
| 13:08.38 | Torhal | There isn't a Libraries category. They're all classified as Addons. |
| 13:08.40 | AcidWeb | Anyway Ace3 will get nice donwload boost this month ;p |
| 13:08.56 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 13:08.59 | Torhal | Well, we _can_ exclude them. |
| 13:09.03 | bluspacecow | a brocken thing Torhal can't rewrite. |
| 13:09.06 | bluspacecow | throw a cat at it ! |
| 13:09.12 | Torhal | But that calculation isn't being done here, obviously. |
| 13:09.23 | Torhal | throws all the cats at bluspacecow's nose. |
| 13:09.27 | bluspacecow | ow! |
| 13:10.22 | AcidWeb | Well if this page should be improvement of old https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow |
| 13:10.36 | AcidWeb | Then for now it is not ;p |
| 13:11.56 | Torhal | I didn't say improvement. |
| 13:12.00 | Torhal | I said replacement. :D |
| 13:12.14 | Torhal | The whole point, as I said, was to get rid of the broken synchronization step. |
| 13:12.24 | Stanzilla | that is curse's motto: replacement not improvement |
| 13:12.26 | Torhal | And they had to do this quickly, hence the current shittiness. |
| 13:12.38 | Torhal | Don't make me deport you to Spain, Stanzilla. |
| 13:12.46 | Stanzilla | it's catalania now |
| 13:12.46 | AcidWeb | I see it don't even render addon description properly. |
| 13:12.52 | Stanzilla | also do please, its a lot warmer there |
| 13:12.52 | AcidWeb | How the hell this passed QA? |
| 13:13.06 | Stanzilla | you assume there is QA |
| 13:13.12 | AcidWeb | Point taken |
| 13:13.35 | Torhal | I'm done. |
| 13:13.45 | Torhal | I thought I made it clear that this was done quickly out of necessity. |
| 13:13.47 | Torhal | :P |
| 13:13.51 | Torhal | It's being worked on., |
| 13:14.14 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 13:14.27 | Stanzilla | pissing you off is my favorite hobby |
| 13:14.38 | Torhal | You didn't piss me off. |
| 13:14.52 | Torhal | I'm just done typing the same shit over and over, expecting actual understanding instead of bitching. :D |
| 13:15.06 | Torhal | And with that, I'm back to code and beer then sleep. |
| 13:15.14 | Stanzilla | can I join? |
| 13:15.16 | AcidWeb | OK. Then I have another bug report. |
| 13:15.35 | AcidWeb | child comments of deleted old comments are now displayed. |
| 13:16.06 | AcidWeb | and apparently option to delete them is gone too |
| 13:16.21 | Torhal | AcidWeb: Are you the project owner? |
| 13:16.37 | AcidWeb | yes |
| 13:16.44 | Torhal | Cool. Reporting/ |
| 13:17.55 | AcidWeb | Example: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/retabbinder |
| 13:18.18 | AcidWeb | #31 is response to deleted #30 but it is displayed as response to #32 |
| 13:19.00 | Torhal | AcidWeb: I don't see a #31 |
| 13:19.01 | AcidWeb | "Tools" button is missing at #31 |
| 13:19.37 | AcidWeb | OK. So apparently that only affect project owners. |
| 13:20.53 | Torhal | I let them know. I'm really done now; shift ended 5.5 hours ago and I'm drinking and coding. |
| 13:21.29 | Torhal | Anything else, make a ticket at https://support.curse.com and the people on the morning shift will see/relay it. |
| 13:22.01 | AcidWeb | I'm quite sure that drinking was involved in creation of this layout ð |
| 13:22.15 | Torhal | I really hate it. |
| 13:22.30 | Torhal | I hate the game-centric CurseForge layout, and this is worse/skinnier. |
| 13:22.44 | AcidWeb | If I find anything critical I will make a ticket. |
| 13:22.56 | Torhal | Just jot shit down and do a dump when ready. |
| 13:23.16 | Torhal | Like I said, this was done from necessity because the syncer has gotten progressively worse. |
| 13:23.33 | Torhal | They're going to hammer things out over the next couple of weeks. |
| 13:23.39 | AcidWeb | Yeah I'm quite sure you had to be really forced to deploy this. |
| 13:23.56 | Torhal | Not me, thankfully! I'm 2k miles from the office. :D |
| 13:24.05 | Torhal | Seriously, though, it was forced. |
| 13:24.22 | Torhal | No operational syncer means nothing updated to the user-facing site or to the App. |
| 13:24.23 | Torhal | Not good. |
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| 13:27.52 | AcidWeb | I'm sorry if I was rude. I'm just allergic to this type of crap. |
| 13:28.52 | bluspacecow | Just hand Torhal a bottle of Jack Daniels and a kitty and all is forgiven |
| 13:29.20 | Torhal | I'd prefer Laphroaig. |
| 13:32.01 | AcidWeb | Is curseforge /projects/ also will be... improved? |
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| 15:01.46 | Andols | hehe. on https://authors.curseforge.com/store in the footnotes "Amazon.com is not a sponsor of this promotion." |
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| 20:30.30 | Thunder_Child | curseforge is a replacement for mods.curse.com |
| 20:30.45 | Thunder_Child | According to Herr Torhal. |
| 20:30.52 | bshelden | Seems legit. Not sure why they insisted on dual interfaces to the same thing |
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