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| 00:37.58 | Thunder_Child | Wow, the windows google drive software is one of the worst pieces of software I have ever encountered. I was not expecting that from google. |
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| 00:58.22 | znf | Gnarfoz, kVA to kW is (??!!??) |
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| 02:35.01 | nebula | mukunda_: UIDropDownMenu_AddSeparator(info, level) |
| 02:35.08 | mukunda_ | thanks |
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| 05:50.39 | Aftermathh | Are you guys going to make a WoW Classic Forum anytime soon? :D |
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| 07:19.42 | ls-_ | prob when Classic appears on PTR, there's no point in doing so earlier |
| 07:20.09 | Mr_Rabies | not really worth doing anything until you see exactly how its implements addons |
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| 09:30.19 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â apparent power to real power? |
| 09:34.33 | nevcairiel | kW = kVA * PF ^^ |
| 09:34.36 | Gnarfoz | apparent power includes the loss caused by a power factor of <1 |
| 09:35.13 | Gnarfoz | (which is probably everything, since you probably won't find any actual device with a PF of 1) |
| 09:35.57 | nevcairiel | but yeah when this is used, you typically use kW to express the "power" of the device, and kVA to express its consumption at the wall |
| 09:36.04 | nevcairiel | VA is a bit weird of a unit, since VA is basically W |
| 09:37.19 | Gnarfoz | the important bit is that you're only getting billed for real power, normally |
| 09:37.42 | Gnarfoz | unless your power supplier gets fed up with you for operating at some shit overall power factor :D |
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| 09:39.21 | nevcairiel | never occured to me that the meters might be smart enough to not count the flowback |
| 09:40.05 | Gnarfoz | since smart meters have become a thing, you can be certain that some day, they'll just flip the switch and start billing you for apparent power no matter what, just because they can |
| 09:40.36 | nevcairiel | i wonder how big the difference for typical households are |
| 09:40.54 | Gnarfoz | not big enough for them to care, according to WP |
| 09:41.13 | nevcairiel | something like a PC has a PF of 0.99, so its not much |
| 09:41.15 | Gnarfoz | I can't find it, but I think German (or EU) norms require switch mode power supplies to have active PFC these days? |
| 09:42.29 | Gnarfoz | should be 2014/30/EU, or EMVG (.de), but I can't find an easy interpretation of those :p |
| 09:44.53 | nevcairiel | there is EN61000-3-2 which limits the amount of harmonics you can produce, which require at least proper PFC, not sure if that also means it needs to be active |
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| 09:50.34 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor#Importance_of_power_factor_in_distribution_systems says that, indeed, EN 61000-3-2 requires PFC (doesn't specify active/passive, so I'm assuming that it just specifies a power factor goal) |
| 09:51.15 | Gnarfoz | "Energy Star 5.0" requires active PFC in computers, though ^^ |
| 09:52.21 | Gnarfoz | (which was apparently also integrated into the "80 plus" thing.) |
| 09:52.36 | Gnarfoz | anyway, long story short, for most computer PSUs, you can expect the power factor to be pretty much a non-issue ^^ |
| 09:53.25 | nevcairiel | yeah at least with EU regulations its usually above 0.95 at least, well, most switching power supplies are |
| 09:54.47 | nevcairiel | speaking about power, i'm actually getting a few hundred euros back from my power bill this year |
| 09:55.27 | nevcairiel | (my yearly energy bill starts at 1.10) |
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| 11:48.53 | Andols3 | Nevcairiel: The standard meters that Vattenfall uses in Sweden don't know the difference between in and out. So if someone gets solar panels or some other kind of production before the meter is changed (they changes the meter without charge) they will get billed for power consumed and power generated :D |
| 11:49.18 | Andols3 | Because the meter doesn't know the difference :P |
| 11:49.32 | nevcairiel | good old meters |
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| 13:05.04 | Andols | Eh? Take that again |
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| 15:59.17 | Gnarfoz | I think he meant your alternate nick |
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| 16:34.56 | Andols | The irc client i got on my phone likes to reconnect everytime the phone changes AP a uni |
| 16:36.47 | Andols | I think the record is Andols5 |
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| 16:37.15 | Thunder_Child | Use Quassel with a bouncer. |
| 17:10.27 | znf | that's the nature of tcp/ip, you can't exactly pick up where you left off if you change IP addresses :P |
| 17:15.46 | nevcairiel | if the APs have you use different IPs, thats a bit of a weird setup if you ask me |
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| 17:31.49 | Thunder_Child | If his message was supposed to end with "at uni" then in makes sense. Each building will generally have their own network but use a global authentication system. |
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| 17:54.43 | Chipzz | TheDanW: you around? |
| 17:57.00 | TheDanW | Chipzz: i am now |
| 17:57.16 | ls- | hooray \o/ |
| 18:00.01 | TheDanW | Tentacled: i'll forward that to the engineers that worked on tinspect, i'm not sure that they were aware of it |
| 18:03.53 | TheDanW | i don't have any information to share about classic other than we're working on it :) |
| 18:06.16 | Thunder_Child | Not even if the addons are going to be B.O.H.I.C.A.? |
| 18:07.16 | TheDanW | just that we're working on it ;p |
| 18:13.00 | Fisker | TheDanW can you give these guys a raise: https://twitter.com/Broximar/status/927330650369040384 |
| 18:13.32 | Andols | More information Soon⢠|
| 18:13.45 | Alram | maybe next blizzcon* |
| 18:14.21 | TheDanW | ;) |
| 18:15.48 | Alram | so now that 8.0 demos have been a thing, are those moved ui elements we saw the new default now? |
| 18:16.09 | Chipzz | TheDanW: care to take a look at http://chipzz.safehex.be/interface.diff ? |
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| 18:16.39 | Chipzz | it's a diff against life, not PTR |
| 18:16.45 | Chipzz | *live |
| 18:19.34 | TheDanW | Chipzz: what does it do? |
| 18:29.18 | Chipzz | TheDanW: cleanup; fixes for case mismatches, incorrect XML tags, incorrect XML attributes, XML tags placed at incorrect locations, etc... |
| 18:29.38 | Chipzz | TheDanW: should bring you a lot closer to actually being able to validate the Interface with the xsd you ship ;) |
| 18:33.55 | TheDanW | gotcha, i'll add it to the list for someone to take a look at, thanks |
| 18:34.07 | Chipzz | yw :) |
| 18:34.47 | Chipzz | TheDanW: would be nice if you could give me a heads-up when someone has :) |
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| 18:40.03 | TheDanW | no idea when, we're pretty busy atm |
| 18:41.31 | Chipzz | working on new expansion I suppose :) |
| 18:43.10 | Alram | gotta get all those ui concepts to stop being concepts |
| 18:53.50 | Funkeh` | he's busy re-writing the tooltip code |
| 18:54.04 | Gnarfoz | hah |
| 18:54.07 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 18:54.10 | Gnarfoz | and the AH code |
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| 19:08.27 | Esamynn|Work | nah, he probably decided to tackle the world map code ;) |
| 19:12.53 | Thunder_Child | You are all wrong, he is sitting in on hundreds of interviews hiring tons of people to fix all existing problems. |
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| 21:41.46 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_APIDocumentation/ConsoleLua.lua#29 |
| 21:42.10 | foxlit | it's odd that the return value specifies a mixin when the type already specifies that mixin. |
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| 23:09.41 | TheDanW | foxlit: it's generated so there's no chance it would get out of sync, i figured at worst case it slightly duplicates data, but it also allows for the flexibility of an arbitrary mixin application without a "type" |
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| 23:10.31 | TheDanW | types have additional meaning on the C side, which isn't required or desired in some cases i imagined mixins could be applied |
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| 23:22.24 | Industrial | https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/11/07/1825213/facebook-to-fight-revenge-porn-by-letting-potential-victims-upload-nudes-in-advance |
| 23:22.34 | Industrial | Fisker: Facebook wants you to SEND NUDES |
| 23:22.38 | Industrial | xD |
| 23:26.56 | foxlit | so something like returning an array of stuff with an attached mixin. |
| 23:34.36 | TheDanW | yeah, perhaps something like a table of raw data with a thin mixin that can help interpret that data |
| 23:35.01 | TheDanW | that wouldn't be as ubiquitous as color or vector |
| 23:40.58 | Mr_Rabies | zucc wants you to send photos of your junk, just for verification, clearly |
| 23:41.27 | znf | only if I get a red checkmark saying "verified junk" |
| 23:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | fleshtone |
| 23:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | reminds me of the smartpipe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ |