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| 01:03.44 | Iriel | znf: To your earlier question, i checked a few of my wow chars and NONE were in the diorama 8-( |
| 01:03.59 | znf | :( |
| 01:04.14 | Iriel | They could have picked a different one, I had a few at the same level |
| 01:04.43 | Iriel | But Iriel / Silver Hand was not there, and that's the only one i'd /really/ care about 8-( |
| 01:09.47 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: It sounded like highest ilvl. |
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| 01:18.45 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: That'd be Iriel, still not there 8-( |
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| 01:31.36 | Thunder_Child | I think they mentioned 30K people, so 1/3 for the diorama. |
| 01:34.47 | Thunder_Child | Actually, 50% of 1/3 since I assume half horde half alliance. |
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| 03:48.30 | kristina | to be fair writing your own bot is pretty hard and honorbuddy people are still being cheap. |
| 03:54.09 | kristina | even pre-7.3.0 the general assumption should have been that warden is unpredictable (and it is) and everyone should have been more paranoid if they cared about their accounts. |
| 03:54.46 | kristina | i mean i said this before but bot writers pretty much got lazy because warden was shit at doing its job. |
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| 03:56.09 | kristina | makes me picture bart simpson writing "i will not do usermode injection" "i will not do usermode injection". |
| 03:59.39 | kristina | i mean i don't like botters myself but i at least feel like some wow lua apis don't provide enough introspection. |
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| 04:02.06 | kristina | which i mostly do by abusing memory allocators and getting a THashTable where i want it and then trap it, that provides a neat interface for marshaling objects between WoW<->???. |
| 04:08.57 | kristina | i remember the most popular lua unlocker out there ... not doing anything about GetThreadContext or NtContinue. |
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| 04:53.55 | bluspacecow | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20759270983?page=4#post-76 |
| 04:54.13 | bluspacecow | This person thinks you can run vanilla by using current servers just using 1.12.1 data |
| 04:54.15 | bluspacecow | LOL |
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| 05:27.20 | kristina | i mean classic wow will probably be the current client infrastructure with changes to the talent system and all the other crap, but it'll still use sharding and streaming and CAS and all the other modern stuff. |
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| 05:48.46 | Funkeh` | they already said it won't have any form of sharding or cross realm stuff |
| 05:49.11 | Funkeh` | that being said, Im not sure if they will even have more than 1 server per region, maybe for the initial release |
| 05:49.47 | kristina | did they actually say no sharding or just that there won't be any crossrealm stuff? |
| 05:50.40 | bluspacecow | they did |
| 05:50.43 | Funkeh` | they want the isolated vanilla community feeling |
| 05:50.47 | bluspacecow | there was an interview |
| 05:51.06 | bluspacecow | let me see if I can track it down for you m'lady |
| 05:51.31 | Funkeh` | barf |
| 05:51.32 | kristina | i mean it's one of the reasons legion launch went smoothly compared to the wod disaster, they had time to refine it, i think they started selectively rolling it out during prepatch for legion. |
| 05:52.12 | bluspacecow | http://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/ |
| 05:52.30 | bluspacecow | smarter sharding tech was the reason legion launch was smooth IIRC |
| 05:53.03 | bluspacecow | but this doesn't preclude not using the new sharding tech - it only says they won't do the crossrealm stuff |
| 05:53.05 | bluspacecow | "There wonât be cross-realm servers or Looking For Raid and Dungeon Finder automatic party matchmaking." |
| 05:53.15 | bluspacecow | "One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. Thereâs a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they donât want" |
| 05:53.29 | bluspacecow | oh wait they kinda do |
| 05:53.34 | kristina | sharding isn't crz though. |
| 05:53.43 | Funkeh` | sharding is separating the community |
| 05:53.45 | bluspacecow | it's more of a back end server thing |
| 05:53.58 | bluspacecow | http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-04-wow-classic-blizzard-answers-some-of-the-big-questions |
| 05:54.28 | bluspacecow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/7144-Blizzcon-2017-Steve-Burke-Interview-World-of-Warcraft |
| 05:54.34 | Funkeh` | they don't directly say it but imho they indirectly do |
| 05:54.35 | bluspacecow | moah interviews on it |
| 05:55.23 | kristina | i mean currently, i'm pretty sure even though they said they won't shard zones on rp realms, they also said that it'll happen if needed, ie. severely overcrowded instance. |
| 05:55.50 | Funkeh` | so basically for launch day? |
| 05:56.00 | fewyn | Anyone know any good websites to look for apartments in the states? |
| 05:56.23 | kristina | well all sharding is, from the client's perspective is being told to migrate over to a different world server. |
| 05:57.06 | kristina | one big example is whenever you fly out of dalaran you get a world transfer. |
| 05:58.01 | kristina | i mean bottom line is, they'll do it as needed. |
| 05:59.54 | kristina | i mean the current serverside sharding system tries to work out which world server to place you on heuristically, based on friends/guild members/people you've been in a party with recently etc. |
| 06:02.18 | kristina | the intention isn't to split communities but to just provide fairly smooth experience, i can imagine classic servers being massively overcrowded in some areas. they'll do the same as they did on RP realms and just use a higher threshold for it, but it doesn't mean you can't force a zone to shard by getting enough random people in it. |
| 06:02.37 | Funkeh` | you need to stop prefacing so many of your sentences with "i mean" damnit |
| 06:03.02 | kristina | oh yeah i do that, heh. |
| 06:03.19 | nebula | i mean, he should be use it thanks to me |
| 06:03.48 | Funkeh` | no I've just mentally blocked you out |
| 06:03.55 | Funkeh` | you no longer exist |
| 06:04.03 | nebula | T.T |
| 06:04.38 | kristina | i didn't even notice i was doing that. |
| 06:04.46 | bluspacecow | T_T |
| 06:04.49 | bluspacecow | poor nebula |
| 06:05.19 | Funkeh` | it's a pretty awful thing that's quite common recently and the closest I've come to locating a source for it is rick and morty |
| 06:05.19 | bluspacecow | @fewyn airbnb |
| 06:05.44 | kristina | i've watched it but i'm not a huge fan of the show. |
| 06:05.58 | nebula | i raided with a guy that always did it, i eventually just started doing it without thinking about it |
| 06:06.59 | fewyn | i meant more full time bluspacecow |
| 06:07.01 | fewyn | not temporary |
| 06:07.06 | kristina | so this interview basically implies that they have no idea what they're going to do but it also implies they'll use a "modern setup". |
| 06:07.16 | nebula | pretty much |
| 06:07.29 | Funkeh` | they wanted to shut up a group of whiners |
| 06:07.40 | kristina | i think it'll be a fork of some 8.0.x client eventually. |
| 06:07.52 | nebula | 10.0.x*** |
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| 06:09.11 | fewyn | from the sounds of it they haven't started anything other than saying yes we are actually doing it |
| 06:09.24 | nebula | they made that neat cinematic! |
| 06:09.41 | kristina | it does seem like a massive task to undertake, i don't know if they even have the resources given how they only recently got on track with not having massive content draughts. |
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| 06:09.53 | Funkeh` | yes fewyn that's what I was trying to imply, it was more to shush people than to say they have any progress on it |
| 06:10.06 | bluspacecow | if they did a fork they're in danger of the duke nukem 3d issue |
| 06:10.08 | Funkeh` | but hey, the ice cream line was good |
| 06:10.12 | nebula | throw some interns at a 10yr backup "update this to the current code base, thx" |
| 06:10.24 | bluspacecow | where new tech required dropping work already done on a regular basis |
| 06:10.27 | Funkeh` | I think the majority of people were like "wtf why is he talking about ice cream" |
| 06:10.48 | bluspacecow | has he finally snapped ? |
| 06:10.54 | bluspacecow | right there on the stage at Blizzcon ? |
| 06:11.00 | bluspacecow | he's lost his mind ! |
| 06:11.12 | nebula | youtube chat was onto it right away |
| 06:11.29 | nebula | i was still WutFace until he actually said vanilla |
| 06:11.41 | kristina | i think they won't be updating it to the current codebase, probably graft vanillalike ui, talent system, model system, implement artificial caps for things like debuff slots, threat changes etc. |
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| 06:11.53 | bluspacecow | ewwwww |
| 06:12.03 | bluspacecow | frankenstein vanilla code onto the current code base |
| 06:12.56 | kristina | i mean cata, wod and legion had massive changes to the engine. |
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| 06:13.55 | kristina | also they'll probabaly use modern (abominations) like animkit instead of older abominations for things like animation/spell scripts. |
| 06:14.15 | Funkeh` | so critical |
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| 06:17.40 | kristina | well let's be fair, you can cut corners by reusing things like spell data from actual vanilla which is probably in a shittily documented format somewhere forked from the w3 engine. |
| 06:18.25 | kristina | this crap also has to be maintained, just because it's at a feature freeze doesn't mean it'll be bug free. |
| 06:18.45 | kristina | inb4 people complain about lack of bug for bug vanilla experience. |
| 06:19.54 | kristina | for nostalgia let's run freetype from 2004 as well. |
| 06:20.20 | kristina | true vanilla experience! |
| 06:21.46 | kristina | whatever they manage to do i'm sure it'll be worse than the current spaghetti code client - 7.3.x: mixin madness. |
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| 06:22.35 | kristina | "see instead of writing spaghetti code by hand, it's now autogenerated!" |
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| 06:25.27 | kristina | "the raid may be buggy as fuck but look at all the mixins!" |
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| 06:27.40 | kristina | SecureWardrobeOutfitCheckAppearancesTemplateVirtualAbstractMixinFactoryMixin |
| 06:36.13 | kristina | gotta love the diversity in serialization formats as well, fucking binary JAM, JAM over JSON, binary, JSON, protobuf. |
| 06:36.46 | kristina | also found leftover imgui code from the client, i'm guessing that's used internally somewhere. |
| 06:38.23 | tz | I'm just looking forward to addons being able to cast spells again |
| 06:38.29 | tz | ;) |
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| 06:39.03 | kristina | they already can, spaghetti code strikes again. |
| 06:42.00 | kristina | and i don't think they'll be able to. |
| 06:42.14 | kristina | i would be really surprised. |
| 06:42.31 | nebula | how dare they alter the vanilla experience |
| 06:46.31 | kristina | even the current stuff can cast spells if you get creative, there's new bugs and bugs that have been around for an eternity, it's not unexpected that something that isn't running in a super restricted environment can do stuff like that. |
| 06:49.35 | kristina | i'm sure more mixins will solve the problem though, keep at it blizz! |
| 06:51.44 | kristina | i remember the intial shock and terror when i was looking at the 7.3.x client and saw it creating a sharedxml mixin from c++ code. |
| 06:56.48 | kristina | "we could just return 3 integers from a function to represent a color but how about instead, we define a mixin in lua code, then create a table using lua api from c++ and then run the mixin function on that new table, still from c++, and return that, that way instead of a color they get a table, imagine the flexibility, you can get the color value as RGB or RGBA, you can even compare them using a |
| 06:56.48 | kristina | special compare function (__eq is overrated), come on this is 2017 people!" |
| 07:00.09 | kristina | also wdb is overrated, i mean what year is it, why isn't wow storing all its local data including models in mongodb, let's make wow 8 webscale, because mongodb is webscale! |
| 07:00.40 | kristina | although nothing is truly webscale without nodejs! |
| 07:01.06 | fewyn | let's write wow in js |
| 07:01.21 | fewyn | js is the future |
| 07:02.04 | kristina | that's why wow 8.0 is a webscale app written in coffescript transcompiled to es6 transcompiled to es5 using babel, running on webgl inside electron. |
| 07:02.15 | kristina | (and of course mongodb) |
| 07:03.29 | kristina | with ui built using reac- wait react is too mainstream, vue.js! |
| 07:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | wow 9.0 is gonna be entirely coded using cuneiform on clay tablets |
| 07:05.15 | kristina | is cuneiform webscale? |
| 07:05.25 | Mr_Rabies | depends on how many spiders you got |
| 07:05.33 | kristina | mongodb is webscale because it doesn't use tables or joins! |
| 07:08.07 | kristina | jokes aside someone wrote a wow map viewier that used canvas/webgl, was pretty cool. and wowhead do that too, they had an old viewer written in actionscript but now it's webgl i think. |
| 07:09.35 | nebula | the model viewer in actionscript? |
| 07:10.03 | kristina | uhh their old one was flash/actionscript. |
| 07:10.16 | nebula | yea, i made that :p |
| 07:10.36 | kristina | the wowhead one? |
| 07:10.40 | nebula | yar |
| 07:11.09 | kristina | did you use the original m2 models or convert them to collada or some other format that you didn't need to worry about too much? |
| 07:11.24 | nebula | converted them to a custom binary format |
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| 07:12.06 | kristina | was that custom binary format something resembling collada with scrambled headers so it didn't look like collada? |
| 07:12.24 | nebula | heh, kind of |
| 07:12.30 | kristina | figured. |
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| 07:13.26 | kristina | actually makes me wonder how wowhead got a license to use those models. |
| 07:14.17 | nebula | it was shortly after zam was made an official fan site, blizzard just didn't care |
| 07:15.18 | kristina | i'm assuming it just fed them through some bastardized fork of wowmodelviewer to convert them instead of reinventing the wheel? |
| 07:15.26 | nebula | yup |
| 07:15.55 | kristina | i'm assuming it still does and i'm assuming wowhead don't contribute anything back to wowmodelviewer. |
| 07:17.19 | kristina | if that's true that's a real pity. |
| 07:17.42 | nebula | i left before it was rewritten to use 3d rendering, no idea what they use now |
| 07:18.01 | nebula | hw acceleration* |
| 07:18.42 | kristina | pretty sure they'd have no reason to not fork wowmodelviewer internally. |
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| 07:21.54 | kristina | "wow big company forks an open source project and doesn't contribute back to mainline, this has never happened before in the history of humankind!" |
| 07:25.17 | kristina | and yes pretty sure classic wow is just some interns messing around, no serious plans or anything, "hey we got an ancient codebase to kind of build and to kind of launch!" and made a cheap cinematic. that vanilla joke is probably the best thing that came out of all that. |
| 07:25.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's almost like they're heavily benefitting from endless amounts of free labor :D |
| 07:26.30 | kristina | i mean at my workplace interns do dumb stuff too, a lot of it gets chucked out. |
| 07:26.49 | Mr_Rabies | i meant re: open source projects |
| 07:26.55 | kristina | oh yeah. |
| 07:28.15 | kristina | but you'd never know since the actual models are collada with scr- i mean a custom and proprietary binary format made entirely by zam. |
| 07:28.56 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know how people find releasing their code for anyone to copy wholesale without pay fun, but i think the part of my brain that is supposed to find some enjoyment in work is totally disabled |
| 07:30.12 | kristina | yeah and there's a magical loophole in gpl where if they run it on a server to just bulk convert models, they're fully complying with all versions of gpl i believe. |
| 07:30.35 | Mr_Rabies | even if they're not, the code's right there, it's basically a blueprint |
| 07:31.23 | kristina | well yeah a lot of the reverse engineering of new crap added to m2 format has been done for them. |
| 07:31.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's like releasing a detailed blueprint on something, and getting surprised when people start using it to make a profit from something you didn't bother doing that with |
| 07:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | i'll never really understand open source code, other than the angle of self-sacrifice |
| 07:32.25 | kristina | Mr_Rabies: the idea is that you hope it kind of gets off and people help you and contribute. |
| 07:33.24 | kristina | i mean i don't have many open source projects for that reason, i think my biggest one is that raspberrry pi thing. |
| 07:33.45 | Mr_Rabies | why not start a company where all employees' code is work for hire and then don't release it |
| 07:33.56 | Mr_Rabies | if you're going to put in the work anyway, you might as well be compensated for it |
| 07:34.23 | Mr_Rabies | or refuse to give your labor away, at the very least |
| 07:34.36 | kristina | a lot of open source projects are done either as hobby or with heavy commercial backing. |
| 07:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | to me, no matter the license you use, unless you can afford a good lawyer, you might as well release it under a license where anyone can use it for anything if you're going to publish it |
| 07:36.57 | Mr_Rabies | unless you're willing to legally enforce a license, it means nothing - many large-ish companies have illegally used licenses for retail products with zero consequence |
| 07:37.46 | kristina | i mean strictly speaking you're wrong, about pretty much everything, a lot of foundations actually pursue gpl violations especially when it comes to larger projects, with the copyright owners. |
| 07:38.20 | Mr_Rabies | here's an example: https://www.libretro.com/index.php/retroarch-license-violations/ |
| 07:38.40 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Console-not-machine-specific/dp/B00DZIX3CQ/ |
| 07:40.01 | kristina | yeah a lot of the time foundations like fsf will help with that. |
| 07:40.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's been 3 years and they're still selling it, so i don't think anything happened |
| 07:41.29 | kristina | calling them out isn't the same as taking legal action or even approaching anyone to take legal action and isn't even an expression of will to take legal action. |
| 07:41.33 | Mr_Rabies | i guess they did release the code, so they might be complying voluntarily now http://retron5.in/node/9 |
| 07:41.57 | kristina | well yeah if they released it they're complying. |
| 07:42.33 | kristina | also i think you're confusing commercial and non-commercial projects, a lot of oss is commercial. |
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| 07:43.12 | Mr_Rabies | supposedly a bunch of it was non-commercial but i don't know |
| 07:43.35 | kristina | as in, commercially backed, pypy as a small example receives quite a large amount of commercial funding from companies that want pypy developers to work on specific things. |
| 07:43.39 | Mr_Rabies | too lazy to check :v |
| 07:43.58 | kristina | if you want a massively backed commercial product, linux kernel is an obvious example. |
| 07:44.48 | kristina | where there's both code contributions and financial backing from many companies. |
| 07:46.54 | kristina | another counterexample is, try using free version of Qt (well it's the same code as the nonfree one) and violate the gpl license on it and see what happens. |
| 07:47.30 | kristina | that's another business models companies adopt - dual licensing. |
| 07:52.42 | kristina | so it's not as grim as you think it is, there's plenty of people who make money off oss. but i mean a lot work on hobby stuff and release it just because it's abandonware otherwise, a lot of people don't have any intention of monetizing it. |
| 07:58.30 | kristina | (i've actually donated to pypy, although they have plenty of money and their core developers are paid to work on it full time by mozilla on top of large donations from various companies, just because it's a project a lot of people are interested in) |
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| 08:03.18 | ls-_ | for some reason I really enjoy reading kristina's ranting :D |
| 08:04.02 | kristina | what's there to like heh? |
| 08:05.17 | kristina | if you want good rants read some of linus' stuff. |
| 08:06.05 | kristina | for some reason i just remembered this heh: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/7858041/ |
| 08:06.10 | ls- | hard to explain, I used to work in enterprise, so I had to interact w/ legacy code a bit too much for my liking, I basically had the same thoughts in my head when I was digging through it |
| 08:06.29 | kristina | ah, i work in embedded. |
| 08:08.29 | kristina | "In A.D. 1582 Pope Gregory XIII found that the existing Julian calendar insufficiently represented reality, and changed the rules about calculating leap years to account for this. Similarly, in A.D. 2013 Rockchip hardware engineers found that the new Gregorian calendar still contained flaws, and that the month of November should be counted up to 31 days instead." |
| 08:09.55 | ls- | yeah, read it, nice stuff :3 |
| 08:11.03 | ls- | damn, my brain refuses to work today, I think nap is required >_> |
| 08:14.54 | Corrodias | haha, wow, mailing lists |
| 08:15.03 | Corrodias | still going, huh |
| 08:16.10 | kristina | i have to say, the honorbuddy tears are so sweet. |
| 08:17.35 | ls- | tears caused by drama are always sweet :p |
| 08:18.07 | kristina | "breaking news: blizzard uses 10 year old method for detecting cheating software, cheaters injecting directly into the process left baffled!" |
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| 08:47.56 | ls- | "Man its unfortunate that the next expansion isn't going to be against the mysterious figures that primarily work by turning factions and races against each other, and is instead about factions and races mysteriously turning against each other." |
| 08:48.01 | ls- | nice one |
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| 08:48.31 | modernist | yeah but |
| 08:48.51 | nevcairiel | not all is obvious |
| 08:50.15 | nevcairiel | when MoP started i had no clue it would end up being about garrosh turning evil, for example. That conflict developed in the expansion (or I just didn't pay attention to leaky stuff, but alas ingame that was not something that was directly obvious) |
| 08:53.59 | nevcairiel | basically, we dont know if the story is going to develop in such a way where we figure out that something evil is influecing us |
| 08:54.53 | modernist | (its jaina right) |
| 08:55.25 | nevcairiel | jaina isnt evil, if anything she was the first victim of dark influence |
| 08:55.51 | kristina | i'm actually curious if i'll ever get banned. |
| 08:59.26 | kristina | i don't really do anything horrible and i mean i think it's only feasible if you know what to look for exactly. |
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| 09:06.58 | kristina | over a long period of time maybe you can work out that a certain page always seems to be slower for a certain object, though that's a long shot to ban based on that, could be legitimate memory issues. |
| 09:11.17 | kristina | though all my driver/vmm thing do is expose some data that's not available normally. |
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| 10:02.36 | Chipzz | hi, can someone provide some insight into how flattenRenderLayers works? can't seem to find any docs on it |
| 10:12.19 | ls- | Chipzz: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=315733&postcount=10 |
| 10:13.08 | ls- | one correction though, regions of a frame (text, textures, etc) and not children (frames) |
| 10:20.30 | Chipzz | hmmm, that's not a very helpfull description |
| 10:20.38 | Chipzz | it appears to mix 2 things up |
| 10:21.00 | Chipzz | the level of the layers and being able to render outside of the frame |
| 10:23.49 | Chipzz | ls-: googling turned up chat logs for this channel, which mentions Frame:GetEffectivelyFlattensRenderLayers ; I suppose that's the counterpart to SetFlattensRenderLayers ? |
| 10:28.35 | Chipzz | ls-: is the clipping of child regions actually affected by that property, given that there's clipChildren? |
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| 10:44.57 | ls- | Chipzz: clipping is controlled by SetClipsChildren method if you're doing it in Lua |
| 10:45.29 | Chipzz | right, but the comment you linked mentions flattenRenderLayers also causes clipping? |
| 10:45.35 | Chipzz | or am I reading that incorrectly? |
| 10:45.35 | ls- | nope |
| 10:46.04 | Chipzz | "rather than on separate layers that can overlap other frames" |
| 10:46.05 | ls- | that simply flattens all layers: BACKGROUND, ARTWORK, etc |
| 10:47.00 | ls- | if you have two frames overlapping, w/o flattening their individual regions will be overlapping too |
| 10:47.22 | ls- | w/ this settings one frame will simply appear below or above another one |
| 10:47.47 | ls- | and their textures, font strings, etc won't weirdly overlap |
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| 10:48.34 | Chipzz | wouldn't such an issue be better solved by changing framelevels? |
| 10:49.00 | ls- | ideally yes, but sometimes frame happen to share the same level |
| 10:49.23 | ls- | ugh |
| 10:49.25 | ls- | frames* |
| 10:50.35 | ls- | well, and not sometimes, it happens quite often |
| 10:53.04 | Chipzz | so frames with flattenRenderLayers get drawn first within a stratum? |
| 10:53.43 | Chipzz | or rather, the regions of a frame with flattenRenderLayers |
| 10:56.26 | Chipzz | lemme see if I understand this right |
| 10:56.32 | Chipzz | normal rendering is: |
| 10:56.48 | ls- | regions of a frame behave as if they're rendered in the same layer and level |
| 10:57.40 | ls- | so instead of border being in BORDER layer, bg being in BACKGROUND layer and so on, they behave as if they all are in the same layer |
| 10:58.02 | ls- | so bg of another frame won't get between border and bg of the first frame |
| 11:00.54 | ls- | I'd draw you a picture w/ explanation, but I'm cooking now >_> |
| 11:01.09 | Chipzz | for (stratum) { for (framelevel) { for (layer) { for (sublayer) { for (frame) draw_textures(frame, level, sublevel) } }; for (frame) draw_fontstrings(frame, level) } } |
| 11:01.28 | Chipzz | with flatten taken into account it would turn into this: |
| 11:03.10 | Chipzz | for (stratum) { for (framelevel) { for (frame_with_flatten) { for (layer) { for (sublayer) draw_textures(frame, level, sublevel)} }; for (layer) { for (sublayer) { for (frame) draw_textures(frame, level, sublevel) } }; for (frame) draw_fontstrings(frame, level) } } |
| 11:03.49 | Chipzz | does that look correct? |
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| 11:05.35 | Chipzz | 2nd and 3rd "frame" should be "frame_without_flatten" but I'm lazy :P |
| 11:06.07 | ls-_ | ugh, FCU tried to install new drivers for my wacom and win crashed w/ WDF violation, wonderful >_> |
| 11:06.20 | Chipzz | happy to be on OSX :) |
| 11:06.50 | Chipzz | did you get my last lines? |
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| 11:07.28 | ls- | nah, wait, I need to fix my tablet first, otherwise I'll get another bsod T_T |
| 11:07.35 | Chipzz | k |
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| 11:10.20 | ls- | yis, it works, lemme draw you a pic |
| 11:11.08 | Chipzz | I *think* I understand, but I'm trying to figure out the implementation :) |
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| 11:16.18 | ls- | well, if you understand, I'm not drawing shit :p |
| 11:16.26 | ls- | TBQH, I never gave a thought about how it's implemented |
| 11:16.28 | Chipzz | what I do not understand however is when 2 or more frames in the same stratum/framelevel have flatten set, which one gets drawn first |
| 11:16.48 | ls- | you could always ask TheDanW about details, he works at Blizz |
| 11:16.52 | Chipzz | "undefined behaviour"? |
| 11:17.16 | nevcairiel | its probably not undefined as much as implementation defined, ie. we dont know, but there is some order =p |
| 11:17.30 | ls- | mb in order of creation |
| 11:17.58 | ls- | last created frame is on top |
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| 11:21.18 | modernist | are there any addons that turn the chat into a top-down list |
| 11:21.25 | modernist | or an option for it ive overlooked |
| 11:26.22 | ls- | no idea >_> |
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| 11:34.17 | ls- | Chipzz: my nick isn't registered, so I can't reply you know where :p But all I have to say is hobby projects are always weird :D |
| 11:34.51 | Chipzz | also fun :) |
| 11:35.17 | ls- | I love to live dangerously and see people stealing my nick :D |
| 11:42.59 | modernist | seems like a list-style chat doesnt really exist |
| 11:43.28 | modernist | quite liked this as a layout, oh well http://i.pi.gy/0Papg.png |
| 11:53.30 | Chipzz | not sure if this is on-topic or even appropriate here, but does anyone know if trinity(core) has their own irc channel and if so, where? |
| 11:54.14 | Gnarfoz | neither :P |
| 11:55.28 | Chipzz | not appropriate? :P was afraid of that |
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| 13:08.17 | Oggoun | hello guys |
| 13:08.53 | Andols | Hello |
| 13:09.11 | Oggoun | I have a - maybe - trivial question. |
| 13:09.35 | Oggoun | some of my guildies asked me to make uptodate an old addon. |
| 13:10.32 | Oggoun | i did it and it is almost ready to use but i'm getting an error and I have no idea how to fix it |
| 13:11.47 | Oggoun | "Addon has been blocked from an action only available to Blizzard UI. You can disable this addon and reload the UI." |
| 13:12.12 | Oggoun | i know there was some changes around the api since the addon was developed |
| 13:12.41 | Oggoun | I dont know how to debug the point to fix this issue |
| 13:12.47 | Oggoun | thx for the answers |
| 13:14.52 | znf | you're doing nasty things |
| 13:14.55 | znf | what are you trying to break? |
| 13:15.05 | znf | or, you could staart by telling us the addon |
| 13:15.10 | znf | or what it's supposed to be doing |
| 13:15.22 | Oggoun | oh sry |
| 13:15.28 | Oggoun | it is the BestInSlot |
| 13:15.51 | Oggoun | it was removed from wowi and curse by the dev 2-3 months ago |
| 13:16.12 | nevcairiel | curious, i still have that installed and it still seems to be working fine |
| 13:16.22 | Oggoun | i fixed the playsound issue and some typos |
| 13:16.45 | Oggoun | whats up with the overview window? |
| 13:17.06 | Oggoun | let me show you a screenshot |
| 13:17.37 | nevcairiel | i dont think there is anything in particular in that addon that should require any protected functions |
| 13:17.44 | nevcairiel | its just a standaloen UI panel afterall |
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| 13:20.38 | Oggoun | Addon has been blocked from an action only available to Blizzard UI. You can disable this addon and reload the UI. |
| 13:20.41 | Oggoun | lol |
| 13:20.42 | Oggoun | sry |
| 13:20.58 | Oggoun | https://imgur.com/a/WYq94 |
| 13:21.42 | nevcairiel | you should install an error catcher like BugGrabber/BugSack, so you actually see what its complaining about |
| 13:22.28 | Oggoun | i see |
| 13:22.31 | Oggoun | thanks man |
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| 13:28.51 | Oggoun | found it |
| 13:29.09 | Oggoun | guildcontrollsetrank |
| 13:31.41 | Oggoun | function Overview:IsOfficer() local rank = select(3, GetGuildInfo("player")) rank = rank + 1 GuildControlSetRank(rank) local officer = select(3, GuildControlGetRankFlags()) return officer end |
| 13:31.45 | Oggoun | hmmm |
| 13:32.18 | znf | that function is protected these days |
| 13:33.16 | Oggoun | is there a workaround? |
| 13:34.22 | znf | yeah, remove them |
| 13:35.11 | Oggoun | ok :D |
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| 13:45.44 | Aftermathh | Hey |
| 13:48.25 | Aftermathh | I'm having a issue where my text doesn't appear on after my Update function and my OnEnter works just fine.. So i dont know whats wrong, driving my nuts :) https://hastebin.com/tibehehalo.sql |
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| 14:07.19 | nevcairiel | why is update using self:SetScript, and the other Frame:SetScript? |
| 14:10.27 | Chipzz | I would say that Frame:SetScript is pretty bad form TBH |
| 14:11.05 | Chipzz | easy to confuse with, well, Frame:SetScript (which isn't actually exposed that way) |
| 14:16.04 | Aftermathh | Hmm okay, so what should i do? :p |
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| 14:41.11 | Chipzz | Aftermathh: what is SetFontTemplate? that function does not exist AFAIK |
| 14:47.12 | Aftermathh | It's just SetFont, i've made a my own function to set fonts faster etc. |
| 14:47.33 | Chipzz | well except your own function won't work like that |
| 14:47.54 | Chipzz | local Text = Frame:CreateFontString(nil, "OVERLAY") |
| 14:48.11 | Chipzz | that will just create a normal FontString which does not know about your function |
| 14:49.21 | Aftermathh | Does work for everything else man |
| 14:49.37 | Aftermathh | Really isn't the issue |
| 14:49.54 | Chipzz | it really is |
| 14:50.11 | Chipzz | you're making up random functions, expect them to work, and are surprised when they don't |
| 14:50.18 | Chipzz | programming doesn't work that way |
| 14:50.37 | Gnarfoz | isn't that what programming is all about |
| 14:50.41 | Gnarfoz | making shit up :P |
| 14:50.44 | Chipzz | no |
| 14:50.45 | Aftermathh | They aren't random, that function is my in my API file that i made.. :p |
| 14:50.56 | Chipzz | it's about thinking about your problem "divide and conquer" style |
| 14:51.05 | Chipzz | Aftermathh: for all I care it's random |
| 14:51.11 | Chipzz | and for all WoW cares too |
| 14:51.15 | Gnarfoz | is it called LibLordFarlander-3.0? |
| 14:51.19 | Chipzz | so yes, that looks very much like the problem |
| 14:52.39 | Aftermathh | I changed to SetFont |
| 14:52.46 | Aftermathh | didn't work any better anyway |
| 14:53.02 | Chipzz | Aftermathh: it could potentially work if you would specify a template, which you don't. |
| 14:53.33 | Aftermathh | https://hastebin.com/elimojajop.sql |
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| 14:59.16 | Aftermathh | Anyways i don't need your help you're very arrogant, I only asked for help and not getting flamed. |
| 15:02.01 | Chipzz | Aftermathh: also: |
| 15:02.11 | Chipzz | self.Updated = (self.Updated or 1) + Elapsed |
| 15:02.21 | Chipzz | self.Updated = 10 |
| 15:02.30 | Chipzz | if (self.Updated < 0) then |
| 15:02.50 | Chipzz | 2 assignments |
| 15:03.15 | Chipzz | neither of which can result in Updated being < 0 |
| 15:03.27 | Aftermathh | I relized my wrong, thank you. |
| 15:03.39 | Chipzz | also, I wasn't flaming, and if you can't stand critique and take it personal, programming may not be the thing for you |
| 15:03.41 | Aftermathh | self.Updated = (self.Updated or 1) + Elapsed should be self.Updated = (self.Updated or 1) - Elapsed |
| 15:05.11 | Chipzz | also |
| 15:05.15 | Chipzz | why do things like: |
| 15:05.22 | Chipzz | local Text = Frame:CreateFontString(nil, "OVERLAY") |
| 15:05.23 | Chipzz | ... |
| 15:05.30 | Chipzz | self.Text = Text |
| 15:05.31 | Chipzz | ? |
| 15:05.43 | Chipzz | why not just self.Text = Frame:CreateFontString(nil, "OVERLAY") ? |
| 15:05.48 | Chipzz | etc... |
| 15:06.59 | Chipzz | also, and this is personal taste, it's common convention to lowercase local variables and table fields |
| 15:07.20 | Chipzz | which avoids confusing code like Frame:SetScript etc... |
| 15:08.14 | Aftermathh | I fixed that issue already anyway |
| 15:08.25 | Aftermathh | I relized it wasn't needed |
| 15:08.26 | Gnarfoz | much of what you've said falls under personal preference, Chipzz, which is also why he called you out on that |
| 15:08.37 | Gnarfoz | /shrug |
| 15:08.43 | Gnarfoz | no need to put fuel on the fire ;-) |
| 15:08.56 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: it's still a VERY VERY long way from flaming though |
| 15:09.15 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: Needs more foxlit. |
| 15:09.25 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child:Â always the extremist |
| 15:09.26 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:09.30 | Chipzz | flaming would be "OMG Aftermathh YOUR CODE SUCKS!!!ONE!1" |
| 15:09.41 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: It's more fun that way. |
| 15:10.03 | Thunder_Child | And it goes better with the popcorn. |
| 15:14.17 | Aftermathh | Anyway, it felt like that. The issue wasn't in the CreateFontString or SetFontTemplate. |
| 15:14.36 | Aftermathh | That's what i was trying to say. but the issue is solved now anyway |
| 15:14.54 | Chipzz | Aftermathh: I still maintain that the issue WAS SetFontTemplate |
| 15:15.04 | Chipzz | that can't have worked, period |
| 15:16.50 | Aftermathh | If that's what you belive, it surely can be like that :) |
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| 16:45.59 | mukunda_ | lua question: is it safe to assign keys to nil during a pairs() for loop? |
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| 16:57.16 | foxlit | mukunda_: yes. |
| 16:57.34 | mukunda_ | okay, was pretty sure but i couldnt easily find confirmation anywhere |
| 16:57.37 | mukunda_ | ty |
| 16:57.56 | foxlit | should be in the manual somewhere |
| 16:59.16 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-next |
| 16:59.39 | mukunda_ | ah |
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| 17:04.34 | Cairenn | Home safe. Was good to see everyone that was able to go. Miss you guys already. No sleep. Full sentences tomorrow. |
| 17:04.39 | Cairenn | night night |
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| 21:05.45 | Tentacled | I'm late to the party again. Only now discovering the addition of /tinspect. And I wonder. @TheDanW, have you perhaps seen the addon Spoo..? It does more or less the same (sans showing and highlighting frames), but shows everything in a tree structure for way easier analysis, and can call methods, too (to some degree). If you guys ever wanted to improve on the built-in debugging tools... *wink* :P |
| 21:06.38 | Tentacled | Oh. /tinspect does value editing, too. Okay, that's nifty. |
| 21:07.21 | Tentacled | Heh. It loses the inspected subject path in the title when navigating left and right... |
| 21:08.54 | Thunder_Child | They might. Their OG inspect was appropriated from Iriel or something like that. |
| 21:09.19 | Tentacled | OG? |
| 21:09.41 | Thunder_Child | The original one. |
| 21:09.50 | Thunder_Child | I assume it has mutated over time. |
| 21:10.01 | nevcairiel | its still a shame they never imported the event filtering dialog for /eventtrace though |
| 21:11.21 | nevcairiel | manually disabling events works in the dialog we have, but its a bit annoying to use if you only care about a very small set |
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| 21:13.49 | Tentacled | It bothers me a lot, too, although - oddly enough - I never sat to write an addon that would automate the manual disabling. I wonder if it's possible... |
| 21:14.39 | Tentacled | Given my luck, it'll be a local table :P |
| 21:15.05 | nevcairiel | the original one in Iriels DevTools had a dialog with a disable all button with checkboxes for you to enable events again |
| 21:15.19 | nevcairiel | it was easy to just enable a small subset you wanted that way |
| 21:22.55 | Andols | Tentacled: /eventtrace is RegisterAllEvents so no table |
| 21:24.09 | Tentacled | Andols, I was talking about what disables certain events from being traced. |
| 21:25.36 | Tentacled | It has to either be a table, or maybe the event being de-registered... huh. |
| 21:25.59 | Tentacled | The latter would make it easier, I guess. |
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| 21:47.25 | Andols | It's a global table EventTraceFrame.ignoredEvents |
| 21:57.24 | foxlit | pain point: there is no easy way to acquire a list of all event names. |
| 21:58.23 | foxlit | I guess someone looked at the old filtering list and thought âyeah, there is no way weâre keeping that up to dateâ |
| 21:59.07 | nevcairiel | it could be learning! |
| 21:59.23 | nevcairiel | although i could see how the default UI would be reluctant to keep a SV just for that |
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| 23:11.12 | mukunda_ | is there a way for OnLeave/OnEnter to ignore when the mouse goes over sub elements? |
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| 23:40.51 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/37172DFB-CC87-47B1-A474-29BF97A03A38.png << I wonder if someone actually approved this. |
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| 23:42.50 | Gnarfoz | ads are not approved, ads are nuked? |
| 23:43.12 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, what a disgrace to ruin those pretty ladies by pairing them with Trump |
| 23:43.27 | Corrodias | those almonds did nothing to deserve this |
| 23:44.08 | Gnarfoz | won't anyone think of the almonds?! |
| 23:44.13 | Gnarfoz | also, it's actually double trump |
| 23:44.17 | Gnarfoz | so meta |
| 23:44.53 | foxlit | ad formats should be approved, though. |
| 23:44.58 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 23:45.49 | Gnarfoz | at least it didn't take over your phone, playing DnB on the vibration motor, and trying to prevent all further navigation |
| 23:46.05 | foxlit | (Iâs be upset if this just showed up randomly in place of a banner, because it means that tomorrow theyâll drop-by download some ransomware instead of wrecking your DOM) |
| 23:46.38 | Gnarfoz | as per their rules of engagement |
| 23:46.49 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 23:48.13 | Gnarfoz | as long as ads are not provided as some kind of inanimate format again, this crap will stay with us |
| 23:54.56 | Thunder_Child | Assuming those are targeted ads, we know what/who foxlit looks at. |
