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| 00:01.54 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> BC UI Dinner, P.F.Chang's, 9pm, 2 Nov 2017. Sign Up: http://bit.ly/2g4JUEb || 7.3.x ToC: 70300 || http://pastebin.com || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || This channel is logged, via purl |
| 00:20.50 | plaw | tickles Cairenn |
| 00:21.20 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 00:25.46 | Torhal | Cairenn: McDonald's? |
| 00:25.59 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 00:26.06 | Cairenn | Only they changed their spelling |
| 00:26.17 | Cairenn | Now it is spelled P.F. Chang's |
| 00:26.28 | Torhal | They only did that to get our business this year. |
| 00:26.34 | Cairenn | nod |
| 00:28.19 | sylvanaar | Are you going to BC Torhal ? |
| 00:29.21 | Torhal | Aye. Have ever year since 2011. You? |
| 00:29.53 | Cairenn | Honestly, the reason we are back there yet again? Everywhere else I tried to book had two things that were frustrating to me. The first, a minimum food & beverage $$ not including taxes & gratuities. I can deal with that one, even if it kind of annoys me. The second, though, is to me a deal breaker: everywhere wanted us to use a set menu. I hate set menus. We have so many people with dietary restrictions, for whatever reason, that I rea |
| 00:30.05 | sylvanaar | I have always wanted to go - or even just to show up to meet people from here |
| 00:30.52 | Torhal | Cairenn: Oh, wow. Yeah, the set menu would suck. |
| 00:31.02 | sylvanaar | Cairenn: without a set menu people all eat at different times and it takes forever to get the food - thats why they do it |
| 00:31.19 | Cairenn | I just am not comfortable deciding what two dishes 30+ people have to choose from. |
| 00:31.45 | Cairenn | I know, but you know what? It has worked absolutely fine all previous 10 dinners ... |
| 00:32.13 | Cairenn | Because we all just sit around and talk while we wait |
| 00:32.15 | sylvanaar | yeah, they can do it - just crack the whip |
| 00:33.11 | Gnarfoz | hey, that's the place it was when I was there |
| 00:33.26 | Torhal | Yeah, has been since 2013. |
| 00:33.30 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 00:33.32 | Cairenn | It's the place it's been for the last ... 3 times? 4? |
| 00:33.35 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 00:33.45 | Cairenn | Ever since people got food poisoning at Bubba Gump's |
| 00:33.49 | Torhal | Ever since The Incident⢠|
| 00:33.56 | Gnarfoz | D: |
| 00:34.01 | Cairenn | Yeah, not cool |
| 00:34.26 | Gnarfoz | "go with what works" =) |
| 00:35.22 | Gnarfoz | I actually looked up flight prices on Monday, surprisingly, it'd be about the same price to book a flight now compared to april or so |
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| 00:36.09 | Torhal | I actually didn't get my hotel until sometime last week. |
| 00:36.19 | Gnarfoz | (not that I have any PTO left that's not already used in plans in the rest of the year) |
| 00:36.35 | Cairenn | Well, I know some folks would like somewhere new for a change, but every single time I've tried to find somewhere new, nothing ever works out. And at the same time, P.F. Chang's always comes through for us and doesn't require a whole bunch of stupidity to book with them. |
| 00:36.38 | Torhal | Mixups and miscommunications led me to believe I already had one, especially because I always have. |
| 00:37.16 | Torhal | So I'm not at the Hilton this year, but it isn't too terrible of a walk and was much cheaper than I'd have imagined. |
| 00:37.36 | Cairenn | Where have you ended up, Torhal? |
| 00:38.03 | Torhal | Hyatt Regency on Harbor. |
| 00:38.11 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:38.14 | Torhal | $149/night |
| 00:38.16 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: maybe it's time to double down - if it ends up being them anyway, go to them first and see if they can do something ~*speshul*~ (of some sort, I have actually no idea, not a great event planner :D) |
| 00:38.18 | Torhal | Cheap. |
| 00:38.30 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:38.49 | Cairenn | Torhal: that's really good this close to it |
| 00:38.53 | Torhal | I mean, less than two weeks before the con - cheap as hell. |
| 00:38.57 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 00:39.19 | Gnarfoz | room without windows and an AC duct column going through he middle |
| 00:39.28 | Torhal | lolol |
| 00:39.50 | Gnarfoz | (even so, who really cares, you only go there to crash anyway) |
| 00:40.05 | Cairenn | ^^^ |
| 00:40.33 | Gnarfoz | I clearly need to win the lottery so I can a) make the trip again and b) have some absurd penthouse hotel room for a sweet room party |
| 00:40.35 | Cairenn | As long as it is clean and safe ... |
| 00:40.59 | Gnarfoz | (varying levels of lottery win required for those two things. :P) |
| 00:41.36 | Gnarfoz | would Trump be gone by the time of BlizzCon 2019? hmm |
| 00:41.50 | Cairenn | Nope |
| 00:42.05 | Cairenn | 2020 (well, unless he is somehow *removed* from office) |
| 01:01.15 | Arrowmaster | i swear i think half my posts on wowi are rsvping to diner |
| 01:02.49 | Torhal | I don't think you've made any other posts in the past 10 years... >.> |
| 01:04.57 | Arrowmaster | it claims ive made 28 posts |
| 01:07.34 | Arrowmaster | apparently 90% are for diner or speaking about copyright |
| 01:07.45 | Arrowmaster | those were the days |
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| 02:09.29 | fewyn | bi decided to spend 800k gold on destiny 2 |
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| 03:21.47 | Esamynn | fewyn: noooooo! |
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| 03:59.36 | Esamynn | shit, I'm really not going to BlizzCon... (just got real, probably just sold my ticket) :( |
| 03:59.50 | Cairenn | :( |
| 04:00.48 | Esamynn | no UI dinner, no opening ceremony... |
| 04:00.58 | Esamynn | no Cairenn hugs! ZOMG!!!!! |
| 04:01.02 | Cairenn | e-hugs esm |
| 04:01.09 | Esamynn | hugs Cairenn |
| 04:01.11 | Cairenn | Esamynn |
| 04:01.26 | Esamynn | returns to resting |
| 04:07.59 | Iriel | Cairenn: is there room for another at the dinner? One of my co-workers is coming this year |
| 04:08.30 | Iriel | (He's a starcraft/overwatch/hots player, not a wow player, but we wont hold that against him) |
| 04:11.23 | Esamynn | Iriel: speak for yourself, i'm gonna hold a grudge from a distance |
| 04:11.40 | Esamynn | </sad sarcasm> |
| 04:11.46 | Cairenn | Iriel: yup |
| 04:12.07 | Iriel | Cairenn: yay, thx |
| 04:12.09 | Cairenn | Esamynn: get away from the screen *hug* |
| 04:12.42 | Esamynn | Cairenn: I'm BOOOOORED! |
| 04:12.50 | Esamynn | goes |
| 04:13.10 | Cairenn | I know. But get away from the screen anyway. Take up knitting or crochet or something .... |
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| 04:29.38 | Andols2 | Mane this one https://i.imgur.com/CrEWh.jpg should keep you busy :) |
| 04:30.03 | Andols2 | s/Mane/Make |
| 04:36.37 | Cairenn | That's cross-stitch, not knitting or crochet :p |
| 04:37.34 | Cairenn | (although it's a pretty awesome cross-stitch) |
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| 04:42.47 | Andols | I'm working on it sloooooowly |
| 04:43.11 | Andols | Top-left corner is done, only took a few years :p |
| 04:43.25 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 05:29.28 | Esamynn | Andols: yaaaaah... no |
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| 13:50.53 | Thunder_Child | So my company opened up a new office in Inida. However all of the engineers are in SoCal, so anytime there is a serious issue, they contact us. The amusment of the role reversal has not escaped me. |
| 13:57.38 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 14:08.19 | Gnarfoz | I don't get it |
| 14:08.31 | Gnarfoz | engineers answer technical questions, that seems like the default role setup? |
| 14:11.34 | Thunder_Child | I'm guessing your country does not outsource its I.T. to India? |
| 14:13.26 | Gnarfoz | I'd be in India, then |
| 14:13.59 | Gnarfoz | I don't think it's common, no |
| 14:16.57 | Thunder_Child | It is in the US, or at least that's the perception. |
| 14:19.40 | Gnarfoz | makes sense, thanks to the imperialist pigs... err, the lovely chaps from the UK, there's probably a lot of "English" speakers there |
| 14:20.09 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure where we'd have to outsource IT to, to get a similar benefit, but for German |
| 14:20.31 | Gnarfoz | people took offense with just adding other countries to ours. :P |
| 14:22.08 | mitch0 | Is your computer turned on? |
| 14:23.30 | Thunder_Child | Nope. |
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| 14:42.28 | Ven`` | Hi! I'd like to know if anyone had a trick for talents detection in recent versions. In wotlk I used to inspect players one-by-one and query inspected talents one-by-one, but I'm interested in a... better technique than a global "inspectList"/"inspectCurrent" :). |
| 14:47.49 | Gnarfoz | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/libgroupinspect perhaps? |
| 14:48.23 | Ven`` | dreaded svn repo link. Let me take a look! |
| 14:51.21 | Ven`` | Ok, basically it does what I did, but with a timeout. |
| 14:51.42 | Ven`` | .oO( I'm better at making things look like they work rather than actually making them work ) |
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| 14:53.40 | Ven`` | seems like every lib reinvents guid tracking |
| 14:56.19 | Gnarfoz | the timeout is probably since inspecting things is throttled server-side and having multiple addons that don't somehow coordinate (like with such a library) will end up slowing each other down |
| 14:56.38 | Ven`` | i'm more scared of misdetection if two different addons try to inspect, actually |
| 14:56.59 | Ven`` | since you don't receive any info about the unit you got inspect data for, you could very well have a race condition if two addons tried to detect talents :\ |
| 14:58.43 | Ven`` | actually I'm wrong ââ it seems you do receive the GUID. I'm not sure that's the case on wotlk, I'd need to make sure |
| 14:59.47 | Gnarfoz | since wotlk doesn't exist anymore... your troubles are over \o/ |
| 15:00.04 | Ven`` | *cough* |
| 15:00.10 | Ven`` | right. |
| 15:03.24 | Ven`` | It doesn't seem to support PVP talents, so I guess I'll open an issue on the wowace tracker. |
| 15:06.08 | Esamynn|Away | don't do it, it's a trap! |
| 15:06.57 | Esamynn|Away | </sarcasm> |
| 15:07.09 | Esamynn|Away | hides before SHE comes back |
| 15:08.21 | Ven`` | Esamynn|Away: sorrywhat? :) |
| 15:08.34 | Ven`` | Hopefully opening a ticket won't get me a bop on the head. |
| 15:10.53 | Esamynn|Away | Ven``: i'm just trying to be funny, not useful |
| 15:11.18 | Esamynn|Away | also, I have a concussion so Cairen keeps telling me to get off :P |
| 15:12.52 | Ven`` | Esamynn|Away: I'm afraid all that sounds very private joke-y to me, so it flies right by me. |
| 15:13.29 | Ven`` | coding with a concussion sounds like a way to wake up the next morning and discover what you're capable of... probably on the "worst" side. |
| 15:13.51 | Esamynn|Away | nah, not coding, just lurking in IRC atm |
| 15:14.45 | Esamynn|Away | anyways, good luck with your bug report |
| 15:14.50 | Esamynn|Away | wanders away |
| 15:14.52 | Ven`` | Esamynn|Away: so long you aren't posting in the Idle RPG channel, I think you should be fine :P. |
| 15:15.01 | Ven`` | Oh, I wouldn't consider that a bug report. Just... asking for an early present :). |
| 15:25.01 | Cairenn | just shakes her head and chuckles at Esamynn|Away |
| 15:27.36 | Gnarfoz | just shakes Esamynn|Away's head and chuckles |
| 15:27.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:30.03 | Ven`` | slaps Ven`` around with a large trout |
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| 15:36.32 | Fisker | just hugs Cairenn and chuckles |
| 15:36.49 | Thunder_Child | That's not creepy. |
| 15:47.57 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 15:51.32 | Ven`` | how much cookies do I need to give people to get a svn viewer |
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| 17:30.11 | Primer | I had an svn viewer setup on my own machine where the wowace slug could be passed, and it worked |
| 17:30.25 | Primer | I stopped using it when I moved to git, but I never took it down |
| 17:31.51 | Primer | but apparently it's not working |
| 17:32.59 | Primer | meh, he bailed |
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| 17:46.43 | Corv | So, uh, Logout and Quit are protected now, eh? Did I miss a memo or should I just assume malicious WeakAuras ruined everything again? |
| 17:48.20 | Thunder_Child | I have been getting that a lot as well. |
| 17:48.38 | Thunder_Child | From things that have nothing to do with logging out. |
| 17:48.58 | Thunder_Child | Or at least the cli logout. |
| 17:50.16 | Corv | Nah, I'm directly calling it: https://pastebin.com/3iGuPXHP |
| 17:50.24 | Corv | And now 2/3 of my convenience button is broken =( |
| 17:54.42 | foxlit | you can log in any time you like, but you may never leave. |
| 17:55.27 | Thunder_Child | At least, not without getting tracebacks. |
| 17:55.56 | foxlit | I want "kill X" world quests to award credit if you can /point at the corpse of X. |
| 17:56.51 | Thunder_Child | But you could then point at a corpse you didn't murder. |
| 17:57.00 | foxlit | it's still a corpse! |
| 17:57.26 | Thunder_Child | But you didn't necessarily kill it |
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| 17:59.00 | foxlit | in a way, neither did the person responsible for the corpse, since it'll just come back to life in 25 seconds. |
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| 18:01.39 | Thunder_Child | One would assume it's a different entity. |
| 18:23.26 | pnorman | I've been getting lots of errors on /logout |
| 18:32.01 | Corv | Are you using a chat addon? |
| 18:33.10 | fewyn | hrm should i update my server from jessie to stretch (debian) |
| 18:33.23 | Primer | yes |
| 18:33.37 | Primer | because if you don't, you'll be in the position I'm in (which is, wheezy) |
| 18:34.19 | fewyn | sigh |
| 18:34.21 | fewyn | guess i will |
| 18:37.17 | fewyn | i really wish i had a backup script |
| 18:40.15 | Primer | just back up /etc and /home and everything will be fine |
| 18:52.57 | fewyn | i don't trust youuuu |
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| 22:16.40 | kristina | do Blizzard_DebugTools become tainted on first insecure addon load? |
| 22:23.21 | foxlit | seems dubious, there's a lot of tools in there. |
| 22:23.53 | ls- | love that dude on MMOC who tries to convince people that Blizz are going to deprecate Lua in 8.0, heh... |
| 22:24.12 | ls- | and people actually believe him >_> |
| 22:24.15 | nevcairiel | its being replaced by java, didnt you hear |
| 22:24.51 | nevcairiel | i think removing addon support would be the one thing that would actually get me to stop playing at all |
| 22:25.01 | ls- | no, it'll be replaced w/ BAOS :D lmao |
| 22:25.27 | ls- | - The entire UI has been reworked into a more modern design. - A new scripting language for addons, BAOS (Blizzard AddOn Script). It will also include a GUI for scripting. A foundation of something new to come. |
| 22:25.46 | ls- | people say that these things are too specific to be fake, lmao |
| 22:26.10 | nevcairiel | dont a dozen of such threads popup each day now |
| 22:26.59 | bshelden | I heard that they were ditching Lua in favour of FORTH. |
| 22:27.05 | bshelden | TotallyLegit⢠|
| 22:27.33 | nevcairiel | at first i thought you were going to say FORTRAN |
| 22:27.36 | ls- | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2324755 |
| 22:27.55 | ls- | why not F#? :D |
| 22:28.24 | kristina | well i mean taint log shows all variables getting tainted in DebugTools. |
| 22:28.30 | bshelden | That reads like a wishlist. |
| 22:28.38 | foxlit | because nobody likes functional programming, ls-. |
| 22:28.46 | ls- | >_> |
| 22:29.00 | bshelden | It's rare, but it does happen. |
| 22:29.06 | bshelden | I get to do pure FP in my dayjob. |
| 22:29.42 | kristina | stuff like "Global variable EVENT_TRACE_EVENT_HEIGHT tainted by !!!BugGrabber - Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua:1" |
| 22:31.16 | foxlit | doesn't the normal one have only one !? |
| 22:31.39 | nevcairiel | haha that was my first thought as well |
| 22:31.43 | kristina | yeah normal one does. |
| 22:33.10 | kristina | but anyway, for some reason debug tools just have everything tainted by the first addon that's loaded. |
| 22:33.37 | nevcairiel | even if so, does that matter somehow? it probably doesnt do anything secure |
| 22:33.58 | kristina | well fstack lets you view forbidden frames if its secure. |
| 22:34.15 | ls- | eh? it doesn't |
| 22:34.20 | ls- | it ignores them entirely |
| 22:34.32 | kristina | it does, try disabling all addons. |
| 22:34.36 | ls- | like you can't mouse over forbidden nameplate in dung |
| 22:34.37 | kristina | and then doing fstack. |
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| 22:34.52 | kristina | you can if you disable *all* addons. |
| 22:34.57 | kristina | all insecure addons rather. |
| 22:35.12 | ls- | well, it ignores them otherwise, so... what's the problem? |
| 22:35.25 | kristina | it ignores them because it gets tainted. |
| 22:35.41 | nevcairiel | that doesnt seem like anything lost worth worrying about, considering you can't interact with them anyway (or you found an exploit, since you shouldn't be able to, either way) |
| 22:36.40 | kristina | yeah i'm just curious how it gets tainted. |
| 22:36.59 | foxlit | probably because you end up calling loadaddon from a tainted path |
| 22:36.59 | kristina | it's specifically debugtools. |
| 22:40.16 | nevcairiel | it may even be intentional so addons cant do shenanigans with the debug functions, who knows |
| 22:40.39 | kristina | oh i see i need to load it from an untainted closure. |
| 22:41.57 | foxlit | predictably, it's not really the first loaded addon. It's whoever gets pinned for the slash command import. |
| 22:47.18 | Simca | my favorite part about that leak thread ls- is that they claim the new level cap is 112. |
| 22:47.27 | Simca | that would be such a blunder |
| 22:47.55 | bshelden | That'd just be bizarre. |
| 22:48.52 | nevcairiel | some of the other threads had it at 115, which is equally wrong. They openly said in some interviews that the 5 things were just bad choices |
| 22:49.11 | ls- | i think he also said that levelling to 102 would take the same amount of time as 100-110 levelling |
| 22:49.17 | ls- | ugh 112 |
| 22:49.23 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 22:49.30 | nevcairiel | but thats exactly the argument why its bad |
| 22:49.40 | nevcairiel | you lack a sense of steady progress if you only level up twice |
| 22:50.01 | nevcairiel | every individual level would take ages |
| 22:50.39 | nevcairiel | hence 10 level, and you steadily see your level rise |
| 22:50.52 | nevcairiel | at least thats how Ion explained it |
| 22:51.40 | bshelden | Someone wants their special snowflake badge back: "Raid Finder difficulty removed and Looking for Raid is now reworked into Normal difficulty." |
| 22:52.12 | foxlit | normal is lfr anyway, given that it's pug-clearable on day 1 of release. |
| 22:52.16 | nevcairiel | i dont even read those threads, they are typically not even amusing anymore |
| 22:52.34 | nevcairiel | foxlit: not if you would throw the typical lfr crowd in there, tbh :p |
| 22:53.37 | bshelden | I was amused at least. |
| 22:53.42 | bshelden | But obvious bullshit is obvious. |
| 22:53.57 | kristina | calling LoadAddOn from a secure context also taints everything if an insecure addon is loaded. |
| 22:54.23 | kristina | calling LoadAddOn from an insecure context on anything that's not DebugTools doesn't taint it to shit. |
| 22:55.21 | foxlit | kristina: I have a loaded insecure addon and /framestack shows StoreUI contents. |
| 22:56.18 | kristina | weird. |
| 22:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | argh they still haven't removed BoEs that don't drop anymore from the tier sets for transmog |
| 23:03.12 | kristina | oh i know what's happening. |
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| 23:03.39 | kristina | even if i call loadaddon from a secure context, buggrabber still adds the command before my addon. |
| 23:05.08 | kristina | so using fstack taints the execution path because it accesses a tainted variable which is like one command that bugsack uses. |
| 23:05.08 | foxlit | where did you even find a secure context to call loadaddon from? :) |
| 23:05.49 | kristina | somewhere i guess. |
| 23:06.58 | Mr_Rabies | i still have a ghost texture that pops up when i have the interface menu open that i cannot pin down, fstack does nothing when i hover over it |
| 23:07.12 | Mr_Rabies | which means it's pinned to some frame and then adjusted to somewhere really weird |
| 23:08.34 | Mr_Rabies | https://i.imgur.com/0CRBOwX.png |
| 23:08.52 | foxlit | kristina: that somewhat limits the options for determining whether you're right this time or not. |
| 23:09.09 | Mr_Rabies | oh man wtf fstack actually worked this time |
| 23:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's deja character stats |
| 23:09.26 | kristina | oh i'm looking at the taint log, foxlit, it was buggrabber. |
| 23:09.38 | kristina | the command taints the execution path. |
| 23:10.26 | kristina | when you type fstack. |
| 23:10.42 | kristina | and it does the hash lookup. |
| 23:11.22 | foxlit | "kristina: even if i call loadaddon from a secure context" << in other words, this wasn't a secure context? :) |
| 23:11.59 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies: I get that as well. |
| 23:12.04 | kristina | well the addon itself wasn't the thing getting tainted this time. |
| 23:12.18 | kristina | BugGrabber isn't secure. |
| 23:12.24 | Mr_Rabies | try turning off the "class crest background" option, Thunder_Child - i'm thinking that's it |
| 23:12.26 | kristina | and it adds a chat command. |
| 23:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | in DCS |
| 23:13.49 | kristina | so any subsequent addon, even if it loads debugtools by invoking an untainted closure via another execution path that somehow magically ended up in the global enviornment will also have to activate framestack by itself. |
| 23:16.19 | kristina | (hypothetically speaking if you could construct a factory that would use a proxy frame to create/invoke secure closure!) |
| 23:16.59 | foxlit | clearly that subsequent should just call the slash handler directly, through another untainted closure that somehow magically ended up in the global environment rather than using the chat dispatch :) |
| 23:17.23 | kristina | slash handler gets tainted. |
| 23:17.29 | kristina | unless buggrabber isn't loaded. |
| 23:17.31 | fewyn | so if i was thinking of doing a computer upgrade what would be better... replacing my ancient monitors (3x that i bought in 2011 acer led lcd monitors) or an upgraded SSD (currently 120gb) |
| 23:17.41 | kristina | or unless i remove the chat command from buggrabber. |
| 23:17.58 | foxlit | see, you use the first magical path to load debugtools without tainting it, and the second to call the slash command. |
| 23:18.30 | kristina | you would taint your execution path by calling the slash command via the chat stuff. |
| 23:18.36 | kristina | but you can just do it directly. |
| 23:18.53 | foxlit | so we're in agreement: this plan is flawless? |
| 23:19.04 | kristina | yeah seems to work. |
| 23:19.19 | Thunder_Child | fewyn: I would think the HDD would be additional more so than replace. |
| 23:19.40 | fewyn | i have an older intel ssd |
| 23:19.43 | fewyn | it's 120gb |
| 23:19.47 | fewyn | it's more of additional yes |
| 23:19.48 | znf | oh |
| 23:19.54 | fewyn | but 120gb is so smallllllll |
| 23:20.01 | znf | finally an explanation on how the chinese solved the binary part of that lucid nightmare thing |
| 23:20.21 | kristina | lucid nightmare? |
| 23:20.49 | Thunder_Child | fewyn: That's the point. Leave the 120 for your C: or Home dir, and just have a second for all of your installs. |
| 23:21.08 | Mr_Rabies | depends a lot on speed, etc, though of course |
| 23:21.15 | znf | yeah, the riddle thing https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/21115833/riddle-me-this-decrypting-the-lucid-nightmare |
| 23:21.43 | Mr_Rabies | use the 120GB to store Doom 2016 and WoW exclusively |
| 23:22.50 | Thunder_Child | Doom is 80GB? |
| 23:22.53 | znf | use compression! |
| 23:23.14 | foxlit | wow fills 120 by itself. |
| 23:23.19 | znf | Compress this drive to save disk space! |
| 23:23.34 | foxlit | (between the live, ptr and beta installs) |
| 23:23.45 | fewyn | i currently have https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009255 x3 |
| 23:23.46 | kristina | foxlit: even if you can run secure code through one of the dozen or so bugs in the client it's not really that fun or interesting unless you want to make a rotation bot or something. |
| 23:23.48 | fewyn | as my monitors |
| 23:24.02 | kristina | since public builds have all interesting apis stripped out anyway. |
| 23:24.57 | znf | also, I was being serious on compression :P |
| 23:25.29 | fewyn | i wish blizzard would compress wow some more :/ |
| 23:25.31 | fewyn | it's so huge |
| 23:25.32 | kristina | internal builds have all sorts of fun stuff to interact with the object manager. |
| 23:25.52 | kristina | they already do that at least in transfer. |
| 23:26.02 | znf | oh, speaking of object manager |
| 23:26.19 | znf | have the bot makes actually figured 7.3 out? |
| 23:26.31 | kristina | i have but i'm not a bot maker. |
| 23:27.21 | znf | oh, they did (looking at hoborbuddy) |
| 23:27.22 | Primer | fewyn: me too, except mine are 27" |
| 23:27.27 | znf | took them a month lol |
| 23:27.32 | Primer | well, not as nice as yours, it seems |
| 23:28.04 | kristina | i use a driver to trap a page through the ept in a thin hypervisor on which a hashtable for attributes of a certain frame is located. |
| 23:28.35 | Primer | hardcore! |
| 23:28.42 | znf | I know some of those words |
| 23:29.32 | Primer | sounds like that'd be great for "automating" a lot of stuff in wow |
| 23:29.53 | kristina | so i can do some quick checks which context it was invoked for, then do some more in-depth checks including checking the lua stack, and if it's being called from a permitted place i emulate all reads/writes to/from that page. |
| 23:30.26 | Primer | Have you released your bot yet? |
| 23:30.32 | Primer | hehe |
| 23:30.36 | kristina | i don't use it to bot. |
| 23:30.42 | Primer | riiiiiight... |
| 23:31.05 | kristina | i actually don't, wow is buggy enough that you can make a rotation bot without anything external. |
| 23:31.14 | kristina | i don't like cheaters. |
| 23:31.41 | Primer | me neither |
| 23:31.45 | Primer | I always report them |
| 23:31.46 | kristina | it's just fun to poke around in the object manager, get info about invisible npcs in your aoi for example. |
| 23:33.21 | Primer | CHEATER!! |
| 23:33.28 | Primer | j/k |
| 23:33.32 | Primer | that sounds pretty interesting |
| 23:33.40 | kristina | i basically just have a regular frame and by calling setattribute/getattribute, because the backing store for attributes of that frame is hijacked through the ept it never ends up in the working set or anything. |
| 23:33.55 | kristina | i mean it would be in the working set. |
| 23:34.09 | kristina | but it's better to be safe than sorry. |
| 23:35.04 | kristina | and be transparent with everything, if their new protection shit decides to do some schenanigans like deallocating it/then creating a page that's not backed by anything and doing their queryworkingsetex bullshit, i won't get caught out. |
| 23:36.06 | kristina | it checks that the actual pte hasn't been fucked with. |
| 23:38.59 | kristina | what blizzard has been doing lately is using fucky guard pages, they allocate anonymous memory which windows won't actually allocate until someone attempts to access it. |
| 23:39.55 | kristina | so you have a faulting pte, which won't get populated until the first fault at which point actual physical memory will be allocated to it and end up in the working set. |
| 23:40.15 | kristina | which is how they catch people even trying to read wow memory out of process. |
| 23:40.56 | kristina | which is a neat trick until you know how it works. |
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| 23:43.26 | kristina | the driver itself isn't really a hypervisor, it runs alongside windows pretty much, which is useful for being able to ensure that the physical page that's trapped via the ept is also considered an io page (like for dma transfers) which basically tells windows that it can't move or do anything to that page. |
| 23:46.39 | kristina | the main annoyance is making sure that on every UI load you always make sure that when your object is loaded into memory and created, that you fixup the PTE to point to your reserved page. |
| 23:46.47 | kristina | and then you undo it. |
| 23:49.10 | kristina | it's not really feasible to have protection against something like that and blizzard isn't going to make people install drivers. |
| 23:53.27 | Torhal | I won't be at Tony Roma's again this year - I'd have to miss my son's 18th birthday. |
| 23:53.29 | kristina | Primer: they fixed it but ultimately it won't really work without kernel schenanigans. |
| 23:54.19 | kristina | iirc windows doesn't have a way to handle page faults for a remote process, you can't hook NT API cleanly even. |
| 23:54.20 | Primer | run it in wine and do your stuff there? :) |
| 23:54.52 | kristina | you can't even hook NT API from the kernel because KPP. |
| 23:55.19 | kristina | though you can happily hook them from a hypervisor. |
| 23:56.46 | kristina | on windows if you disable all the hyperv crap, whichever driver sets itself up as the vmm first can become the hypervisor. |
| 23:59.13 | kristina | i remember with some steam shit they would check if testsigning was enabled and refuse to work if it was. |
