| 01:00.42 | Mr_Rabies | KJ was inevitable (though somewhat anticlimatic) illidan was mostly an asspull but he was poorly written in tbc |
| 01:02.20 | A-KO | oh I don't disagree, I just still think recycling of characters sucks overall. I'm not entirely sure I'm in favor of the "go to the legion homeworld" story arc and would have much preferred an 'ending' in ToS. Granted, Sargeras was another extremely poorly written character. but eh. |
| 01:02.52 | Mr_Rabies | the best part of illidan's writing in tbc was that maiev was now without purpose since he was dead, and you can do a lot with the "vengeful character that is so vengeful she literally becomes an embodiment of vengance now must find a new purpose in life or go insane" |
| 01:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | which they didn't do, but instead we have some kind of a fucked up anime relationship developing between them instead i think |
| 01:03.39 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:03.59 | A-KO | I wish the stories were more grounded in Azeroth honestly. More dragons, shit like that. |
| 01:04.26 | A-KO | legion space ships didn't do it for me :/ |
| 01:05.07 | Mr_Rabies | i like there being a bit of sci-fi to the fantasy of wow, not much, but kind of thor-like |
| 01:05.29 | A-KO | I mean, I'm not a huge fan of "must find bigger and badder evils to fight", either. I dunno. |
| 01:05.42 | Mr_Rabies | power creep is a big problem |
| 01:05.53 | A-KO | Killing Aspects, draining the aspects of their power, fighting the pantheon, all of that just really bugs the crap out of me. |
| 01:05.57 | Mr_Rabies | they should solve it the same way another franchise did |
| 01:06.02 | A-KO | oh? |
| 01:06.27 | Mr_Rabies | give everyone Stands |
| 01:06.39 | A-KO | not sure what that is :P |
| 01:06.50 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:07.28 | Mr_Rabies | It's from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - it started as like "okay we gotta fight this vampire guy, okay in the next part we found who makes the draculas and they're like crazy aztec gods" |
| 01:09.48 | Mr_Rabies | and the creator realized that power creep from there would just be stupid so he totally sidelined most of the rules in the universe and now many people have spirits that somewhat embody their personality with various interesting abilities and weaknesses both established and discovered over time, where there would be room for "okay well that last big bad guy could do something insanely powerful, |
| 01:09.48 | Mr_Rabies | but the next guy instead derives his power from something entirely different, and we can slightly shift genres as a result" |
| 01:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | it was just a stupid throwaway joke mostly but power creep is an obvious problem in any long-running story is the point i'm getting at :v |
| 01:10.59 | A-KO | Power creep doesn't *have* to be a problem, though. I mean, not in WoW. I feel like there's just so much side story that could have been written. I dunno. |
| 01:11.08 | A-KO | I'm not a story writer so what do I know. |
| 01:11.13 | Mr_Rabies | pandaria sort of put the power creep on the sidelines to tell a neat story, and a lot of people didn't seem to like it |
| 01:11.15 | A-KO | It happens often, though. |
| 01:11.31 | A-KO | Yeah but that's because I think it went *way* to the side, not to mention "Garrosh, Garrosh, Garrosh, and more Garrosh." |
| 01:11.36 | A-KO | "Garrosh, Garrosh, and Garrosh." |
| 01:11.46 | Mr_Rabies | i was a huge fan of MoP's story, as well as WoD's story, even if there wasn't a lot of actual "game" content in wod |
| 01:12.02 | Mr_Rabies | well, only in the very late game did it really become about garrosh |
| 01:12.45 | A-KO | I liked exploring the backstories of the orc races, but I dunno. There's so much that could have been done involving the dragons back in the day. |
| 01:12.58 | A-KO | elementals, dragons, kul'tiras, stuff like that. |
| 01:13.07 | A-KO | things didn't *have* to play out as it did exactly |
| 01:13.33 | A-KO | The "THE WORLD IS GOING TO END" NO NO, NOW THE UNIVERSE IS GOING TO END, OMG NOW ALL OF EXISTENCE IS IN PERIL! stuff doesn't get to me |
| 01:13.39 | Mr_Rabies | it was basically "two superpowers bring their war to a foreign shore, and scar the land, but influence a thousands-of-year stalemate and in the long run, all sides are better off in the end" |
| 01:15.11 | Mr_Rabies | doing all the quests for the mantid and seeing how cool they were, only to have them go "well you know if y'shaarj comes back we're gonna serve him right" "okay i think this counts, we're old god puppets again" |
| 01:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | i think MoP was designed to directly combat the "we keep having bigger and badder dudes ramping up the threat" problem wow had until its release |
| 01:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | since garrosh was a large threat but mostly just like kim jong un with gains |
| 01:16.37 | Mr_Rabies | until he decided to ruin all those natty gains with old god roids |
| 01:17.09 | A-KO | Chronicle doesn't give me hope that they'll stop the power creep anytime soon :( |
| 01:17.36 | Mr_Rabies | the novels are kind of a mess, i'm a bit worried with them replacing metzen with golden |
| 01:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | we'll see, i guess |
| 01:17.45 | A-KO | agreed |
| 01:17.52 | A-KO | She's a nice person though, but I'm not a huge fan of her writing |
| 01:18.08 | A-KO | then again, all of the WoW books could use a bump in the target audience age arena |
| 01:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | was it knaack that made up half-orc mary sue dude, whats his name |
| 01:18.38 | A-KO | It's a universe that certainly could explore some more adult situations and problems, I think. |
| 01:18.46 | A-KO | broxigar? |
| 01:18.50 | Mr_Rabies | the guardian of tirisfal and all that |
| 01:19.05 | A-KO | oh, broxigar wasn't half orc though |
| 01:19.11 | Mr_Rabies | medan |
| 01:19.19 | A-KO | oh I forgot about him lol |
| 01:19.51 | Mr_Rabies | medan is like "my first d&d character backstory" terrible |
| 01:20.17 | Mr_Rabies | even blizzard was like "yeah no way he's coming to the games" |
| 01:20.20 | A-KO | The thing I don't like about her writing is I don't like the deep dives into character personality and soap opera-like developments. I much prefer adventure. |
| 01:21.02 | Mr_Rabies | As the son of the human Medivh and the half-orc, half-draenei Garona Halforcen, Med'an is half-human, quarter-draenei, and quarter-orc. |
| 01:21.16 | Mr_Rabies | His unusual parentage and training has given him the unique ability to interweave shamanic magic with the arcane and divine. |
| 01:21.19 | Mr_Rabies | CEASE |
| 01:22.12 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:22.21 | A-KO | I'm also not entirely sure I like where the "Light" story is going either :/ |
| 01:22.34 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty interested to see where it goes |
| 01:23.04 | A-KO | I liked "the light" when it was used against the undead and all. I'm not a huge fan of "the light" potentially becoming another force like "the void". I guess that's already canon, though, in Chronicle. |
| 01:23.40 | A-KO | Wonder what happens if we kill the light and the void. new series of Chronicle? "The light was only a pawn to the Bright. And the Void was only a pawn to the Night!" |
| 01:23.43 | Mr_Rabies | cataclysm's focus was on the sources of elemental power in the world, legion is about the fel and shadow and light and how they interact, and getting into the inner workings of the legion |
| 01:24.57 | Mr_Rabies | seeing the light and shadow as two opposing entities that are neither good nor bad, but instead the embodiment of order and chaos, respectively, is an interesting thing that i'm willing to see how it goes |
| 01:25.49 | A-KO | Yeah I'm just not sure I'm willing nor desiring of giving up the fantasy aspect of Warcraft to pursue that story, though. |
| 01:25.53 | Mr_Rabies | fel is a weapon that can oppose both the light and shadow, as far as i can tell |
| 01:26.13 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't really give up the fantasy aspect, i don't think |
| 01:26.21 | Mr_Rabies | did you read the little turalyon/alleria short story thing? |
| 01:26.25 | A-KO | Time to jump in our Light and Void Mech Robots! |
| 01:26.29 | A-KO | nope |
| 01:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | it was done as an audio drama but it took too long so i ended up just reading the transcript lol |
| 01:27.22 | Mr_Rabies | https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/template_resource/U5IQKY6K35271505861653212.pdf |
| 01:28.50 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard's fantasy is pretty heavily derived from jack kirby's take on magic and technology, basically playing with the arthur c. clarke quote |
| 01:29.00 | Mr_Rabies | but in the inverse |
| 01:29.06 | Mr_Rabies | "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" |
| 01:29.41 | A-KO | yeah I just don't know if I like that, that's all :P |
| 01:29.55 | Mr_Rabies | see, i love it, because no one else seems to do it in an interesting way |
| 01:30.00 | Mr_Rabies | anymore, at least |
| 01:30.11 | A-KO | would be nice to dial that back a few notches and go back to fighting dragons and shit again |
| 01:30.14 | A-KO | be a little more grounded |
| 01:30.40 | A-KO | not so much the "WELCOME $COMMANDER/$ARCHDRUID/$BASICALLY-A-FREAKING-GOD" |
| 01:31.14 | foxlit | so what you're saying is that you'd like to go and kill 8 more boars? |
| 01:31.23 | Mr_Rabies | https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111280727/5667147-absolute+gods+against+absolute+gods.jpg |
| 01:32.51 | A-KO | I'd like to back to being just adventurers among the races. |
| 01:34.27 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think you can easily do that at this point, but i also agree continuing to get farther and farther from our azeroth is probably not in the best interest of the story either |
| 01:34.57 | Mr_Rabies | a way to do it would be jaina getting up to no good, but "Fallen Hero is now the world threat" is also done to death |
| 01:37.45 | Mr_Rabies | there's a good chance the next expansion covers kul'tiras and some more uncharted areas of azeroth, and then eventually ramps up to the void stuff with a portal to the void stuff appearing deep in the ocean or something eventually |
| 01:37.51 | foxlit | it seems like you'd get more faction conflict in 8 anyway, no real need to dig up Jaina when Sylvanas is up to no good already. |
| 01:39.09 | Mr_Rabies | they might go with sylvanas in some way, perhaps making a deal with the void to create more undead life or something |
| 01:39.09 | A-KO | I wouldn't mind seeing another cataclysm-esque revamp of the world, either. |
| 01:39.27 | Mr_Rabies | i think blizzard would - cataclysm almost cost them the whole game |
| 01:39.45 | Mr_Rabies | no one really gave them much credit for cata since half of it was old world stuff |
| 01:40.14 | A-KO | I think it's important to separate gameplay mechanics changes from the story, though. |
| 01:40.28 | A-KO | so I'm strictly speaking from a story perspective, it'd be nice to see the world "move forward" a bit. |
| 01:40.41 | nebula | should just slowyl introduce "rebuilt" areas in the minor patches |
| 01:40.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'd like to see them heal things up a bit from deathwing's damage |
| 01:41.12 | A-KO | I mean, Cataclysm came out 6 years after WoW's release. It's nearly 7 since then. |
| 01:41.42 | A-KO | nebula: That'd be interesting |
| 01:42.06 | A-KO | I wouldn't mind, for example, seeing Stratholme rebuilt. Continue the story that was done there. |
| 01:42.15 | A-KO | With EPL more or less being not so plagued now |
| 01:42.20 | A-KO | humans returning to the area |
| 01:42.32 | A-KO | WPL kind of had some of that, would be nice to see that continuation |
| 01:42.34 | nebula | yar, seems like a way to keep content going without going crazy |
| 01:43.13 | nebula | and they could introduce it as it's completed |
| 01:43.52 | foxlit | paladin class quests still had a plagued strat with more evil necromancers and things, so who knows what's going on with that story. |
| 01:44.07 | A-KO | meh |
| 01:44.12 | A-KO | retconned/fucked I guess :P |
| 01:45.11 | A-KO | I mean a big challenge is the increase in artwork fidelity that has come from modern gaming. Only real way to improve that is to add more people to continue pumping out content, but there's diminishing returns in terms of money to artwork quality |
| 01:45.13 | A-KO | so there's that. |
| 01:45.27 | A-KO | But I dunno |
| 01:45.40 | A-KO | I feel like a return to be more grounded would attract more folks back to the game, or attract new folks |
| 01:49.58 | foxlit | I kind of think that more people skip the quest text than not. |
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| 01:55.33 | A-KO | They might, but that still doesn't mean the surrounding story doesn't affect them in some capacity. |
| 02:03.14 | Mr_Rabies | i think we might go one more expansion going heavily into the cosmic before they focus on something else |
| 02:03.56 | Mr_Rabies | once the void story is told, i think that will mostly finish explaining all the natural forces in the world |
| 02:15.34 | Mr_Rabies | then i think we can get back into the relics of the titans being used to restore the dragons as defacto titans, since most of them gave up their power to defeat deathwing |
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