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| 11:22.48 | ls- | TheDanW: sup, there's a new tooltip in 7.3.2, dunno if it's reported, but if you call tooltip:SetHyperlink(link) for already shown tooltip, client will silently hide it, it won't react to any further SetHyperlink calls either. This bug can be countered by calling tooltip:ClearLines() before each tooltip:SetHyperlink() use |
| 11:23.14 | ls- | TheDanW: this issue isn't present on live realms :p |
| 11:24.47 | ls- | new tooltip bug* |
| 11:24.51 | ls- | oh well.. |
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| 14:23.28 | AcidWeb | foxlit: Any tips for first question? |
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| 15:53.17 | ls- | TheDanW: actually, I was wrong, this bug is present on live servers too, but for some reason when I was testing it previously it wasn't happening, it's fine o_O |
| 15:58.09 | foxlit | you're kind of supposed to call SetOwner before calling SetAnythingElse. |
| 16:01.20 | ls- | nah, that's not what I'm talking about :p |
| 16:01.46 | ls- | I'm talking about resetting anything w/o hiding tooltip, it's always present and shown |
| 16:02.00 | ls- | SetItemByID redraws tooltip correctly |
| 16:02.09 | ls- | SetHyperlink fails to do so |
| 16:03.27 | nevcairiel | in my experience trying to re-use a tooltip without resetting it has always been problematic |
| 16:04.19 | ls- | well, tooltip:ClearLines() followed by tooltip:SetHyperlink(link) works as expected |
| 16:04.30 | Gnarfoz | in my experience, trying to make addons has always been problematic |
| 16:04.43 | nevcairiel | thats just you |
| 16:04.43 | ls- | lel |
| 16:05.24 | Gnarfoz | my experience applies best to me, indeed :D |
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| 16:06.40 | ls- | chicken, fish or eggs? T_T can't decide what to eat >_> |
| 16:10.30 | ls- | everything... |
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| 17:01.03 | Tentacled | I have a moment of "fridge logic" here. The API AH scans have a "lastModified" field. Is that the time the data dump file was created..? Or the time the data was taken from the server? Or the date when the data was made public through the API? |
| 17:02.21 | Tentacled | I've always taken it for granted and assumed it'd be the time when the data was taken from a live AH, in other words, the time for which the presented data was current. But that assumption can be vastly wrong. |
| 17:12.56 | Fisker | Not necessarily Gnarfoz |
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| 17:38.52 | TheDanW | glad you determined there's no bug, as we all know that tooltips are perfect in every way |
| 17:40.15 | haste | Tooltips only contain features. |
| 17:46.01 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 17:46.07 | Seerah | hihi |
| 17:46.18 | Fisker | Just the tooltip TheDanW? |
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| 19:06.09 | VIad | I single handedly broke the localization part in the curse packager |
| 19:07.10 | Andols | *slowclap* |
| 19:07.22 | VIad | it couldn't handle my @localization() |
| 19:07.54 | VIad | torhal even asked me to stop submitting builds because the curse devs need to look into the code and see whats going wrong :D |
| 19:12.46 | VIad | the only lame part is lack of communication like, it doesn't say clearly whats wrong so need people from curse to help out ^^ |
| 19:22.07 | mikma | https://www.krackattacks.com/ |
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| 19:33.24 | foxlit | AcidWeb: that one is a bit unfair, and I couldn't think of a reasonable hint. |
| 19:37.36 | ls- | TheDanW: lol :D |
| 19:38.57 | AcidWeb | foxlit so what we should bruteforce it? ð |
| 19:39.30 | AcidWeb | look for washing machine themed anime? ð |
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| 19:43.37 | foxlit | is there one of those? |
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| 19:46.47 | AcidWeb | IDK but that would not be a suprise |
| 19:50.07 | foxlit | well, looking for a washing machine might help, but there are lot of those out there. |
| 19:56.24 | AcidWeb | I still think that question 1 is unsolvable. |
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| 20:12.34 | Gnarfoz | I found question 2 surprisingly googleable, thanks to the source comment; didn't really try 1 and 3, for something that's an overly elaborate bug report/PoC ;p |
| 20:12.55 | Gnarfoz | (also, thanks to LetsEncrypt/dehydrated being weird, I missed some IRC just now :O impossibru!) |
| 20:26.51 | foxlit | hey, that's a bug! |
| 20:26.54 | foxlit | in a comment! |
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| 20:36.17 | foxlit | clearly comments are treachery and I should write less of them. |
| 20:39.37 | Gnarfoz | I shall link this into the secret finding Discord server. :P |
| 20:41.59 | foxlit | ... maybe it only works if you're buffed with no less than 17 different alchemy products? |
| 20:45.38 | Gnarfoz | it requires being in a 60-man group? (X X XX XX = 60, if you're so inclined) |
| 20:46.31 | foxlit | random trivia: original wording was "X! X! XX! XX!" |
| 20:48.34 | foxlit | which I feel would've been harder to just type into google. |
| 20:50.16 | Gnarfoz | in the spirit of outsourcing, I'll ask someone else to do it for me |
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| 21:43.46 | Iriel | Fun with lasers: https://photos.app.goo.gl/5OhDh9l2WzqGjmbs1 |
| 21:43.50 | Iriel | Well, laser, singular. |
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| 21:56.53 | znf | I was wondering where the laser is :D |
| 21:57.03 | Iriel | It's in the cutter. |
| 21:57.17 | znf | figured it |
| 22:00.40 | Iriel | If you care about such things, it's a 40W CO2 laser (10.6 um) |
| 22:01.08 | znf | uuuuh, that's got a kick |
| 22:03.16 | Iriel | Yeah, I would be extremly wary about such a thing if it wasn't carefully enclosed in the guts of a cutter enclosure. |
| 22:30.22 | znf | Iriel, I want to point it at the sky! |
| 22:31.01 | znf | I know it does nothing at 10.6um |
| 22:31.14 | znf | I mean, it's so far in the infrared spectrum... :D |
| 22:31.54 | Thunder_Child | Do you also shoot magic missiles at the darkness? |
| 22:40.14 | znf | I should get myself that 2W 445nm laser I've been drooling over the last years |
| 22:40.57 | nevcairiel | you should before EU laser laws get enforced in your country =p |
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| 22:58.14 | Gnarfoz | speaking of EU regulations... |
| 22:58.26 | Gnarfoz | https://photos.app.goo.gl/E8Nfojc4RqfyUh8M2 this seemed odd |
| 22:58.52 | Gnarfoz | considering new vacuum cleaners are supposed to be limited to 900 W since 2017-09-01 :D |
| 22:59.09 | Gnarfoz | (I bet znf would buy it in a heartbeat because WATTS) |
| 22:59.26 | znf | uhm, they are limiting it to 900W now? |
| 22:59.30 | znf | what the fuck EU |
| 22:59.39 | znf | they just limited 2 or 3 years ago to 1600W |
| 22:59.41 | Gnarfoz | you complained about this before, haven't you :p |
| 23:00.03 | Gnarfoz | (2014, btw) |
| 23:00.06 | znf | yes I did, I bought at 1600W one, because they stopped making 2000W |
| 23:01.06 | znf | Are you sure about 1.9.2017? |
| 23:01.06 | Gnarfoz | (hint: they just waste less power now, which was the goal in the first place) |
| 23:01.13 | znf | I still see 1400W |
| 23:01.15 | Gnarfoz | I am sure about 2017-09-01 |
| 23:01.16 | znf | I know that's their goal |
| 23:01.49 | znf | I'm just not sure it's actually realistic |
| 23:02.28 | Gnarfoz | https://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/topics/energy-efficiency/energy-efficient-products/vacuum-cleaners useless! |
| 23:02.50 | znf | wow, fucking 70⬠over the lifetime of the product |
| 23:02.51 | nevcairiel | most of those 2000W units were probably just bad inefficient designs, fix it with more power |
| 23:03.45 | Gnarfoz | https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/documents/Manufacturer%20guide%20-%20vacuum%20cleaners.pdf 3.1 |
| 23:05.11 | Gnarfoz | (keep in mind that rating is and has always been input power; they could have wasted 50% of it... which they probably did. Anyway, same as with lightbulbs: it's going to take many years before the old stock is not being used anymore) |
| 23:05.30 | znf | While I don't doubt the efficiency boost in 2004, I severely doubt that the advances are on that scale, just 3 years to get the same efficiency/subction power with almost half the power drawn |
| 23:05.35 | znf | 2014* |
| 23:06.19 | znf | so basically, time to buy a vacuum cleaner now before all stores run out of 1600W products |
| 23:07.00 | Gnarfoz | since they also require (even higher) even better vacuuming properties starting now, I fail to see how products that are compliant are going to be worse than before |
| 23:07.13 | Gnarfoz | s/(even higher)// |
| 23:07.15 | znf | thinks of volkswagen |
| 23:07.15 | znf | :D |
| 23:07.24 | nevcairiel | yeah they also specifiy the cleaning properties |
| 23:07.34 | znf | I find it peculiar that they are focusing so much on vacuum cleaners :P |
| 23:07.42 | nevcairiel | they focus on all sorts of things |
| 23:08.18 | nevcairiel | probably just made a list of common household appliances and how much power they draw, and picked the worst offender first |
| 23:08.30 | nevcairiel | after the old lightbulbs were dealt with |
| 23:08.49 | Gnarfoz | efficiency of 1%? just roll with it! |
| 23:09.00 | znf | I'm still bitter about the bulbs! |
| 23:09.10 | znf | dimmable LEDs are expensive as fuck |
| 23:09.10 | Gnarfoz | electric heating is terrible, just ask the French |
| 23:09.21 | Gnarfoz | no need to roll it into the lighting :P |
| 23:09.57 | znf | and they found the halogen loophole quite fast to be honest :D |
| 23:10.05 | znf | I mean, technically still incandescent |
| 23:10.48 | znf | also, I've seen old-style incadenscent bulbs just sold as "heating devices" :D |
| 23:13.07 | Gnarfoz | guess someone was being disingenious and confused "sell" with "make" |
| 23:13.13 | Gnarfoz | (re: 900W) |
| 23:13.22 | znf | that's what I figured |
| 23:14.36 | nevcairiel | i wonder if those makers just filled all their warehouses before this date and this wont actually be in effect until 2019 =p |
| 23:15.40 | Gnarfoz | you'd hope that the requirement for shops to provide the energy labels would make that a fruitless endeavor |
| 23:16.18 | nevcairiel | do you think people really read those? |
| 23:16.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm certain people buy do pick them by "oh this one looks nice" |
| 23:17.04 | znf | pretty much |
| 23:17.17 | Gnarfoz | or by biggest number wins (energy class F? noise level G? BIGGER LETTERS BETTER LETTERS) |
| 23:17.25 | znf | Those energy efficency labels stopped meaning much once they added +++++ to the A |
| 23:17.45 | Gnarfoz | I like Jeremy Clarkson as much as the next guy, but POWERRRRRRRR is just pointless if most of it is converted to waste heat :P |
| 23:18.29 | Gnarfoz | and that's just bad foresight regarding scale :D |
| 23:18.48 | znf | Without knowing the specifics of the device |
| 23:19.02 | znf | I couldn't care less if the appliance I'm buying is A or A+ |
| 23:19.30 | znf | It just sounds like A has a 99% energy effiency and A+ has 100% efficency |
| 23:19.32 | nevcairiel | they discontinued the dumb +++ levels, didnt they |
| 23:19.37 | Gnarfoz | sure, but a 1500W vacuum is F, not A |
| 23:20.01 | znf | Gnarfoz's link states that the most efficient vacuum cleaners will cary A+++ |
| 23:20.10 | znf | That's 3 fucking pluses |
| 23:20.48 | Gnarfoz | (heh, my photo juuust captured the "1500 ~ 2200W!" pictogram on the vacuum's box... now scale that to 900W and you get 1400W!) |
| 23:23.41 | Gnarfoz | A+++ requires annual energy consumption below 10 kWh |
| 23:23.48 | Gnarfoz | ...how? :D |
| 23:24.01 | znf | they should have just used percentanges |
| 23:24.03 | Gnarfoz | I guess 900W devices won't get A+++ :P |
| 23:24.25 | znf | so far it seems that a 2017 A+ vacuum cleaner is more efficient than a 2014 A+ vacuum cleaner |
| 23:24.34 | znf | having to take into account year is stupid |
| 23:24.51 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: just vacuum less often, get higher rating |
| 23:24.59 | znf | and not the year you bought it, but the year it was manufactured |
| 23:25.29 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: does it count if I use solar power? :D |
| 23:25.37 | nevcairiel | you drain the sun! |
| 23:25.42 | Gnarfoz | oh deary me |
| 23:25.49 | Gnarfoz | how full is it |
| 23:26.07 | nevcairiel | about half |
| 23:26.11 | Gnarfoz | (somehow reminds me of https://twitter.com/progressbar2017) |
| 23:26.46 | nevcairiel | nevermind that half the sun is about 5 billion years |
| 23:28.31 | nevcairiel | anyhow, another old drive replaced in the server, now the last one just needs to finish formatting (I do a full format on fresh drives to flush out any errors), and then data moved .. tomorrow i should be able to close it up again |
| 23:28.35 | nevcairiel | and with that, i can go sleep |
| 23:29.21 | nevcairiel | anyone wanna buy 5 year old heavily used 3tb drives? =p |
| 23:29.41 | Gnarfoz | if you find someone, I have some lying around here as well |
| 23:29.53 | Gnarfoz | wasn't there a disk "burn in" program as well... mh |
| 23:30.43 | nevcairiel | since I screwed up my first one, i'll have to re-calc parity once i'm done, so thats some more burn-in - the two parity drives are new as well (so i can go higher capacity) |
| 23:30.52 | Gnarfoz | znf: you can tell which scale applies by looking at the label, at least |
| 23:31.25 | znf | is it more visible than the huge colored A lettering? |
| 23:31.32 | znf | I don't remember it being that way :P |
| 23:31.35 | Gnarfoz | hum? |
| 23:31.38 | Gnarfoz | it's the scale itself |
| 23:31.46 | nevcairiel | isnt that A lettering on said label? =p |
| 23:31.54 | Gnarfoz | the 2014 label goes from A to G, the 2017 one goes from A+++ to D |
| 23:32.01 | znf | the labeling is like https://www.cooperativeenergy.coop/siteassets/news--views-images/eu-efficiency-label-18.3.16.jpg |
| 23:32.22 | Gnarfoz | (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32013R0665&from=EN) |
| 23:32.23 | znf | it honestly doesn't tell me much, call me ignorant about it |
| 23:32.32 | znf | but I just wouldn't care much if a product would be A instead of A+ |
| 23:32.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I agree |
| 23:32.49 | nevcairiel | the difference between two adjacent categories is probably quite minimal |
| 23:32.51 | znf | Why would they even fucking use letter ratings?! |
| 23:32.57 | znf | in EU? |
| 23:32.59 | nevcairiel | especially if you get into the higher A areas |
| 23:33.04 | nevcairiel | but going further down.. |
| 23:33.09 | Gnarfoz | but like I said above: what you're going to use this for is not buying an F device when an A device is the same price ^^ |
| 23:33.15 | znf | Is there any country that grades on letters in Europe? |
| 23:33.32 | znf | Seems uncommon as fuck. I only know of US that grades shit on A to F |
| 23:33.41 | Gnarfoz | as if the various school grading systems across Europe were in any way unified |
| 23:33.46 | znf | Just use fucking percentages |
| 23:33.51 | Gnarfoz | percentages of what |
| 23:33.52 | znf | That's unviersal |
| 23:33.56 | znf | efficiency? |
| 23:34.01 | znf | This product is 80% efficient |
| 23:34.04 | nevcairiel | efficiency is not a percentage |
| 23:34.22 | znf | but you can express it as a percentage representing wasted energy as heat |
| 23:34.27 | Gnarfoz | also, you'd start complaining when they start labeling things as 110%! ^^ |
| 23:34.35 | Gnarfoz | well sure, but that's not the only relevant metric |
| 23:34.37 | nevcairiel | they do that anyway |
| 23:34.42 | znf | ie: 80% efficency means that it wastes 20% of the energy |
| 23:34.55 | znf | a 90% one is better than a 80% one, seems simple enough for me :-/ |
| 23:35.06 | nevcairiel | A+ is better then A |
| 23:35.08 | nevcairiel | how is that hard |
| 23:35.28 | nevcairiel | it even lists power consumption in Watts |
| 23:35.50 | nevcairiel | and all the other metrics that play into that |
| 23:36.14 | Gnarfoz | they could have done without the letters and just placed the Watt number inside that arrow marker and aligned it with their colorful scale, to indicate if they deem that number bad or good |
| 23:37.46 | Gnarfoz | (but I guess having some kind of category system is gamification, just for the producer side for once) |
| 23:38.21 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I'm considering just splitting my parity across more drives if it comes to that point... perhaps not really efficient :\ |
| 23:39.22 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 23:39.28 | nevcairiel | i just bought a bunch more 8tb drives |
| 23:39.39 | znf | I just realized I don't care much about storage :D |
| 23:39.48 | znf | and I can juts torrent shit fast enough |
| 23:39.53 | Gnarfoz | I don't even have any of those, yet, so i guess I'm behind on the curve :p |
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| 23:51.32 | Gnarfoz | hm, can't upload to imgur :\ |
| 23:55.47 | nevcairiel | those were my first 8tb drives as well, but since I was going to replace old ones anyway, why buy small ones again, i figured |
| 23:56.32 | Gnarfoz | yeah, of course |
| 23:56.42 | Gnarfoz | https://photos.app.goo.gl/AQn3WSmXXaZasICM2 yeah, I guess I'll do a different WQ first. |
| 23:57.35 | nevcairiel | i'm kind of taking a break from wow, guild basically died and i cba to find something new |
| 23:57.37 | nevcairiel | maybe next xpac |
| 23:57.55 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 23:58.14 | znf | the grind for AP is unbearable |
| 23:58.34 | nevcairiel | i dont even mind that much, you dont really need to grind much to stay on OK levels |
| 23:59.44 | nevcairiel | anyhow we'll see what blizzcon brings, maybe it'll also add some motivation back |
