| 00:13.41 | RevPete | new oats studios, realtime rendered in unity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8NeB10INDo |
| 00:15.43 | Thunder_Child | Actually the description says "made in realtime". I don't think that's quite accurate. |
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| 03:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything that adds color borders to the champion gear? |
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| 10:59.35 | VIad | am I just retarded, or I can't make the packager package my file? is there any packager logs available to users on curseforge? |
| 11:02.21 | Kalroth | yes to first question, no idea to the rest! |
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| 12:26.11 | Gnarfoz | Semlar:Â open a ticket |
| 12:31.15 | Gnarfoz | and yes, packager logs exist, but I can't find them :D |
| 12:31.44 | Gnarfoz | Flamegoat or Zeldo might know \:-D |
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| 13:38.19 | VIad | the old curse had logs and packager output, helped debug if it ran at all, or what it failed at :p |
| 13:52.10 | Gnarfoz | doubt packager output was ever on curse.com |
| 13:52.32 | Gnarfoz | and I think there was a project-specific page even on the new curseforge/wowace |
| 13:52.41 | Gnarfoz | (well, curseforge at least, when Wildstar launched) |
| 13:53.24 | Semlar | Gnarfoz: they basically just said that once an item is in the guild bank, it's the guild master's responsibility, and if someone steals all your stuff i guess it's just your problem and they won't do anything about it |
| 13:54.09 | Semlar | they gave a pretty unsatisfactory non-answer as to why they couldn't fix what was obviously a violation of normal conduct |
| 13:54.18 | Gnarfoz | we got our stuff back 3 out of 3 times |
| 13:54.32 | Semlar | really |
| 13:54.49 | Gnarfoz | but all of those were incidents where the offending player's account was "hacked" |
| 13:54.54 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. dumb password or whatever) |
| 13:55.04 | Semlar | this person wasn't hacked, they were just an asshole |
| 13:55.08 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 13:55.20 | Gnarfoz | not sure where they draw the line, then |
| 13:56.02 | Mr_Rabies | basically blizzard looks at it as "you gave them permission and they took stuff based on permissions given" |
| 13:57.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.43 | Mr_Rabies | some of our officers use a limited auto-invite system, so we have the first rank so they can't even see into the gbank, i believe |
| 13:59.52 | Semlar | this wasn't a new recruit |
| 14:00.00 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 14:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | we have even member and raider ranks pretty limited too |
| 14:00.20 | Semlar | i don't know what rank they were that they had access to withdraw this much stuff, but new members can't do anything like that |
| 14:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | hell as an officer even i can only take 20 items from any given tab |
| 14:00.42 | Mr_Rabies | we also split stacks of valuable items to mitigate damage so long as we have space |
| 14:00.43 | Semlar | well part of the problem is you can't actually limit how many items someone can withdraw from the bank, only how many stacks |
| 14:01.06 | Mr_Rabies | we also have an officer only tab that no one else can access at all |
| 14:01.20 | Semlar | and some expensive resources stack into the hundreds |
| 14:01.20 | Mr_Rabies | for flasks, feasts, etc |
| 14:01.27 | Mr_Rabies | mounts/pets for guild events |
| 14:01.30 | Gnarfoz | we also have various limits in place, although there hasn't really been anything particularly valuable in our gbank for what, 3 expansions? :p |
| 14:02.06 | Gnarfoz | (and most people have low permission ranks, and the high permission ranks require authenticators) |
| 14:02.16 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.22 | Mr_Rabies | our assistant GM doesn't have an authenticator, just waiting for that day lol |
| 14:02.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah not much you could have done |
| 14:03.15 | Semlar | i can't believe support won't do anything about that |
| 14:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | you could, however, stalk him and let the officers in any guild he joins know with evidence |
| 14:04.33 | Semlar | you can report someone for harassing you through the chat, but this is somehow different? |
| 14:04.40 | Mr_Rabies | they should let you alternatievely choose a maximum number of items, i agree |
| 14:04.43 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 14:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | in-game wise, you gave him the permission to do this |
| 14:04.58 | Mr_Rabies | even if it was based on the honor system |
| 14:05.14 | Semlar | i don't see how that should matter |
| 14:05.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's like trades not using the trade window, don't expect blizzard to offer support if something goes wrong |
| 14:05.28 | Semlar | just because someone has the ability to do something it doesn't make their actions okay |
| 14:06.06 | Mr_Rabies | the interface should be better with more granular control, but a lot of the guild systems are pretty archaic |
| 14:06.48 | Mr_Rabies | as it stands you just have to really err on the side of caution with guild permissions and understand the GM could just transfer the guild without warning one day or empty the gbank for profit |
| 14:09.17 | Gnarfoz | rank 0 > you |
| 14:11.39 | Semlar | "Once an item or gold is deposited in a guild, it becomes property of the guild and by extension the leader of that guild." |
| 14:12.20 | Semlar | but apparently if that guild leader makes a ticket about someone stealing all of their items, it's not them stealing from the guild leader, it's just community property |
| 14:16.27 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.39 | VIad | this is why I really would like all to use the authenticator, and GM to enforce authenticator to be ranked officer |
| 15:50.52 | VIad | problem is some of the guild officers dont use authenticator, riskting a lot :p |
| 15:56.45 | VIad | I guess blizz did add enough tools, like auth, that we can use to avoid getting hacked. of course douches that wanna steal, can't fix that. |
| 16:00.17 | Gnarfoz | well, controling #items instead of #stacks would seem like an improvement for the above scenario |
| 16:00.31 | Gnarfoz | and not using the force authenticator feature is, well, human factor ^^ |
| 16:01.22 | Thunder_Child | Still doesn't stop the guild leader from absconding with all of the bank. |
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| 17:43.45 | Gnarfoz | this wasn't the guild leader, but yes |
| 17:44.55 | Gnarfoz | (considering how guild realm transfers work, it's reasonable to assume guilds are very tightly attached to whichever character has rank 0) |
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| 18:45.27 | Simca_ | @TheDanW: certain addons are crashing PTR when messing with achievements somehow |
| 18:45.29 | Simca_ | >Aura '255152' used in Client PlayerCondition '52692' is not known on the client. Check your flags and update your DBC! |
| 18:45.50 | Simca_ | that playercondition is hooked up to http://ptr.wowdb.com/achievements/11991-seat-of-the-pantheon |
| 18:46.10 | Simca_ | the spell it references (255152) is not known to the client |
| 18:46.25 | Simca_ | so i'm guessing it's a data mistake |
| 18:46.37 | TheDanW | Simca_: looks like its a known issue, someone is working on it, thanks :) |
| 18:46.44 | Simca_ | ok, cool, thanks |
| 18:56.19 | Simca_ | yeah wowdbprofiler is causing it somehow |
| 18:56.29 | Simca_ | i have no idea how, it doesn't even touch achievements |
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| 21:03.02 | AcidWeb | Anybody with CurseForge moderation rights alive here? |
| 21:04.22 | Thunder_Child | As opposed to 'dead here'? |
| 21:04.48 | AcidWeb | Dead, undead whatever |
| 21:04.56 | AcidWeb | Somebody need to check https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/mounttaxi |
| 21:07.29 | AcidWeb | For some reason ElvUI installation is detected as "Mount Taxi Addon" |
| 21:07.46 | AcidWeb | People delete unknown addon and wipe own elvui profiles. |
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| 21:15.58 | karl_w_w | mounting a taxi sounds like a terrible idea |
| 21:18.08 | Thunder_Child | Could be a very very bad stripper name. |
| 21:25.58 | Torhal | AcidWeb: Should be fixed, now. He uploaded ElvUI to the project and then set the file to Archived, so we weren't aware. |
| 21:28.11 | AcidWeb | Thank you. |
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