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| 00:11.40 | Thunder_Child | Gah, the new xcom expansion doesn't reuse data, and despite being a seperately launched game, you can't install only one so the ~35GB install is now 70. |
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| 00:21.50 | Mr_Rabies | a neat side effect of that is that you have to buy the expansion to patch serious bugs |
| 00:23.58 | Thunder_Child | I don't remember any serious bugs. |
| 00:31.32 | Gnarfoz | that is also a bug |
| 00:33.43 | Thunder_Child | Might be a feature. |
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| 00:48.43 | tz | awww, simulationcraft profiles are broked |
| 00:48.48 | tz | well, some are |
| 00:50.35 | tz | ahh formatting errors on the APLs |
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| 02:34.56 | Simca | igPlayerInviteDecline is not in the soundkit list, so not all of the ig stuff is, foxlit |
| 02:35.11 | Simca | igPlayerInvite is, just not the Decline variant |
| 02:40.38 | nebula | yea, probably because the default ui doesn't use it anymore |
| 02:48.19 | Simca | they're really pinching pennies for memory now, they must be desparate |
| 02:48.35 | Simca | they only saved ~2.7MB by doing that change |
| 02:49.48 | znf | Mei sucks dick in FFA |
| 02:54.17 | kullervo | she looks like she does it for fun anyway |
| 02:58.04 | Simca | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a9WgTrjITr5O6mc2mfzssfkjQ6tqw9b78npJ1OyMV18/edit?usp=sharing |
| 02:58.33 | Simca | full list of names |
| 02:58.40 | Simca | for sound kits |
| 03:15.18 | nebula | i doubt it was intended to be an optimization, it's just a style change, the started using ids some time ago and finally consolidated the apis |
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| 03:17.09 | Simca | no, it was an optimization |
| 03:17.29 | Simca | they pulled all of the names out of SoundKit.db2 into a new one, SoundKitName.db2 |
| 03:17.37 | Simca | and the game doesn't load SoundKitName.db2 now |
| 03:18.00 | Simca | They wouldn't have broken 25% of the game's addons over a style change (I hope) |
| 03:21.12 | nebula | PlaySound with strings was a legacy thing, and they removed that. sure it's an optimization, but probably happened as part of cleaning up the api not as a result of "how can we save some memory" |
| 03:21.50 | Simca | i would be very surprised |
| 03:22.10 | nebula | remember to ask TheDanW :p |
| 03:22.42 | Simca | he mentioned that it was literally not possible anymore; i'm guessing he means since they pulled the names out into its own db as an optimizatioin |
| 03:22.53 | A-KO | hmm |
| 03:23.01 | A-KO | that awkward moment I don't have any spam WoW account e-mails :/ |
| 03:23.06 | A-KO | on any of my email addresses |
| 03:25.03 | Bluspacecow | BORK! bork!bork!bork! |
| 03:27.05 | Thunder_Child | I think this channel needs a minimum san check. |
| 03:27.18 | Bluspacecow | i would fail that. |
| 03:27.43 | Thunder_Child | So it would seem. |
| 03:27.48 | Bluspacecow | :) |
| 03:27.55 | A-KO | waddup Bluspacecow |
| 03:27.57 | A-KO | long time no chat |
| 03:27.59 | A-KO | you going to the con this year? |
| 03:28.13 | Bluspacecow | nah didn't get tickets |
| 03:28.16 | A-KO | aww :( |
| 03:28.18 | A-KO | I'm sure you could find some |
| 03:28.33 | Bluspacecow | if i'm coming over i'll do east coast of USA |
| 03:28.38 | Bluspacecow | not west coast |
| 03:28.56 | A-KO | lol |
| 03:29.00 | A-KO | but I'm not on the east coast anymore! |
| 03:29.02 | Iriel | .... why? |
| 03:29.03 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 03:29.05 | A-KO | NYC is pretty cool though |
| 03:30.19 | Iriel | That's true |
| 03:31.15 | Bluspacecow | Harry potter universal florida. Libary of Congress. |
| 03:31.47 | A-KO | someone should change the topic :P |
| 03:31.50 | A-KO | to the 7.3 toc |
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| 03:32.59 | Bluspacecow | pfft |
| 03:33.22 | Bluspacecow | if people can't figure out what the new 7.3 TOC is then they haven't been paying attention |
| 03:33.27 | Bluspacecow | L2Code noobs |
| 03:33.28 | A-KO | LOL |
| 03:34.20 | Simca | 'learn blizzard's arbitrary numbering scheme, noobs' would be more accurate |
| 03:34.26 | Simca | but you do have a point |
| 03:34.51 | Iriel | "Arbitrary" seems a bit harsh |
| 03:35.35 | Simca | yeah i guess we have vanilla wow to blame for the gaps |
| 03:35.55 | Simca | 7.3.1 would be '70301' (if they updated it for minor patches) |
| 03:35.57 | Iriel | If it was 'multiply the significant digit by 1632 then add 43 times the middle digit, and exclusive or the bitwise inverse of the least significant' then i'd say "yes, arbitrary" |
| 03:36.16 | Simca | vanilla had patches like 1.11.10 |
| 03:36.24 | Simca | which needed 5 digits |
| 03:36.32 | Simca | (if they updated it for minor patches, again) |
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| 03:38.06 | tz | should probably update the channel topic for 70300 |
| 03:52.59 | Simca | lol i just realized why that folder that was always empty that we always complained about never got fixed |
| 03:53.16 | Simca | the WTF\SavedVariables one (SavedVariables before account level) |
| 03:53.26 | Simca | with the new console stuff, it saves there |
| 03:53.44 | Simca | i bet the reason it's been there is because internally they have a lot of installation-based addons |
| 03:54.01 | Simca | so that folder is not empty... on internal builds. |
| 03:54.32 | Simca | (well it's not empty period now since Blizzard_Console saves there) |
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| 04:00.32 | pompy | ~toc |
| 04:00.32 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 70200, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
| 04:00.53 | pompy | purl: no, toc is The current WoW interface number is 70300, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
| 04:00.53 | purl | okay, pompy |
| 04:00.57 | pompy | ~toc |
| 04:00.57 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, toc is The current WoW interface number is 70300, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
| 04:01.47 | pompy | purl: no, toc is <reply>The current WoW interface number is 70300, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
| 04:01.47 | purl | okay, pompy |
| 04:01.51 | pompy | ~toc |
| 04:01.51 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 70300, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
| 04:01.56 | pompy | there |
| 04:08.25 | Bluspacecow | when did they add distance filtering for the sounds ? |
| 04:09.14 | Bluspacecow | lol hotfix.log |
| 04:09.45 | Thunder_Child | When they implemented the doppler function. |
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| 05:04.40 | Ssateneth | omg |
| 05:05.03 | Ssateneth | did they finally do away with the 'this person you are mailing to might be a stranger, ar eyou sure?" mail popup? |
| 05:05.08 | Ssateneth | thank god |
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| 05:31.11 | nebula | you sure you didn't just send it to an alt? |
| 06:04.53 | Semlar | anyone here still play the game and use WorldFlightMap? |
| 06:05.24 | JTF195 | i do and i do |
| 06:06.00 | Semlar | you want to try plugging in some values to see if i can get this working on argus |
| 06:06.10 | JTF195 | sure |
| 06:07.15 | Semlar | can you try adding this to the FlightmapCoordinates table at the top of WorldFlightMap.lua https://hastebin.com/abeheyokun.lua |
| 06:14.04 | Semlar | i'm kind of worried that these maps don't actually line up and this might be more annoying to fix |
| 06:14.37 | JTF195 | Ok, that made the navigation console open the world map at the broken shore continent level instead of the vindicar, but not seeing any other noteworthy changes |
| 06:14.53 | Semlar | when you zoom into argus it doesn't show you anything? |
| 06:15.39 | JTF195 | i see the antoran wastes flight points on the mac'aree map |
| 06:15.48 | JTF195 | and they work |
| 06:16.28 | JTF195 | https://puu.sh/xn1C2/e3c0285141.png |
| 06:16.41 | JTF195 | that's where it puts them |
| 06:16.49 | Semlar | hm |
| 06:17.21 | Semlar | i think the flight map doesn't actually have the zones in the same spots relative to each other as the world map does |
| 06:20.59 | Semlar | normally i put the flight map over the continent map and scale it, but they don't appear to line up for this |
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| 06:26.44 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/p5oyCNS.jpg yeah, these don't line up |
| 06:26.49 | JTF195 | hmm. is there any way to just hijack the existing lightforged beacon map icons? |
| 06:26.50 | Semlar | this isn't going to work |
| 06:27.16 | Semlar | i basically need to hard code every teleporter for this continent and then write it to use those |
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| 06:29.34 | Semlar | or just have it default to the blizzard flight map |
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| 06:36.55 | JTF195 | that would be a shame. the nicest thing about WorldFlightMap is that it synergizes with other map addons |
| 06:51.34 | AcidWeb | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/WorldMapFrame.lua/diff#1325 |
| 06:52.17 | Semlar | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/WorldMapFrameCosmicButtons.lua#49 it's this nonsense right here |
| 06:53.07 | Semlar | the continent map for argus has the zones arbitrarily placed so i can't just superimpose the real coordinates onto it |
| 06:53.41 | Semlar | i could just have it only draw on the zone maps, but i'd probably still have to hard code the flight points |
| 06:58.40 | JTF195 | the argus continent map is actually rotated slightly clockwise on top of it |
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| 07:01.01 | JTF195 | so even if the existing flight map did properly align with the zone maps without hardcoding the coords, it wouldn't be lined up with the continent map anyway |
| 07:02.37 | JTF195 | they should have done it the same way they did vashj'ir, but no |
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| 07:04.45 | JTF195 | it also sorta bothers me that they put argus on the broken isles map instead of the cosmic map |
| 07:09.14 | Semlar | i suspect they did this just to break my addon |
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| 09:09.23 | VIad | I suspect they did this since once next expansion comes around, it's odd to have a timeless isle cosmic map level button for expired content :p |
| 09:09.47 | VIad | they just wanted to keep it as part of the legion expansion, and putting it on the broken isles map made sense |
| 10:39.27 | VIad | raid tonight might become megafail if there are serious issues with encounters or addons. I heard mythic sisters being insanely harder now than pre 7.3 for some reason :P no patch notes though |
| 11:00.06 | Stanzilla | of course the patch went live with the feral bug :< |
| 11:01.25 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I guess you don't want to have something in AceTimer that rejects values that are above the new C_Timer limit, do you? |
| 11:05.05 | Fisker | You're EU Stanzilla |
| 11:05.20 | znf | mkay, let's check this thing |
| 11:05.50 | nebula | stop trying to set timers for 2^63 |
| 11:10.51 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 11:10.55 | Stanzilla | that's the bug though |
| 11:10.58 | Stanzilla | some spells return that |
| 11:14.20 | nebula | so check that before you create your timer, jeez |
| 11:14.44 | Stanzilla | ...what do you think we do |
| 11:14.58 | Stanzilla | just wanted to ask if nev wanted a general fix in AT or not |
| 11:15.21 | nebula | it causes an error as it should, what would he fix? |
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| 11:44.50 | VIad | my spell expires after 9Â 223Â 372Â 036Â 854Â 775Â 808 seconds, not a moment sooner! a second too early would be too little, one second too much and it would be absurd |
| 11:47.54 | znf | VIad, better late than never |
| 11:48.23 | VIad | does any timer need to be longer than 604800 seconds though? :P |
| 11:48.33 | VIad | considering servers go down for maintenance once 7 days |
| 11:53.20 | VIad | they reverted the insane forward glide on DH on live, but was super OP on the PTR :p |
| 11:56.56 | AcidWeb | GAMEGENERICBUTTONPRESS was not transfered to SoundKit? |
| 11:59.32 | Simca | i'm sure it's there |
| 11:59.42 | Simca | blizzard's tiny table in lua does not have much |
| 12:00.18 | nevcairiel | the table has the sounds the UI uses |
| 12:00.42 | Simca | use this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a9WgTrjITr5O6mc2mfzssfkjQ6tqw9b78npJ1OyMV18/edit?usp=sharing |
| 12:01.28 | Simca | GAMEGENERICBUTTONPRESS is 624, for example |
| 12:01.45 | AcidWeb | thank you |
| 12:01.58 | Simca | yep np |
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| 12:14.38 | VIad | I got so much work to do with the addon changes :( |
| 12:15.08 | nevcairiel | there really arent that many breaking changes =p |
| 12:15.22 | VIad | PlaySound is revamped :< |
| 12:15.31 | nevcairiel | thats a trivial replacement |
| 12:16.18 | VIad | I hope PlaySoundFile isn't changed :p |
| 12:16.36 | VIad | PlaySoundFile(format("Sound\\Character\\%s\\%sVocal%s\\%s%sCheer0%d.ogg", race, race, gender, race, gender, index)) |
| 12:16.52 | VIad | I use that to play a random cheer based on the characters race/gender |
| 12:16.57 | nevcairiel | PlaySoundFile should still work as long as the files exist =p |
| 12:17.02 | VIad | goodie |
| 12:19.15 | VIad | seafearer's whistle broken, 1 min CD Now :( |
| 12:19.38 | VIad | was 10 seconds, had it macroed to my main ability for a raid and drove everyone insane |
| 12:21.06 | VIad | I wonder how many undocumented changes there are, and to boss fights in tomb :P |
| 12:21.28 | VIad | heard sisters is much harder and abilities target tanks now. and KJ has new visuals on some spells. |
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| 12:25.41 | [TOM_RUS] | blizzard such a nice ppl, they changed AP items tooltip once again (replaced dot with comma), yet didn't provide proper API to get AP reward |
| 12:26.15 | nevcairiel | dot and comma depend on the system locale anyway |
| 12:26.19 | VIad | I bet that's a locale thing, EU uses , apparently for numbers :D |
| 12:26.21 | nevcairiel | or game locale, one of those |
| 12:26.35 | [TOM_RUS] | same system, same locale, dot changed to comma |
| 12:26.45 | VIad | ugh please no :( |
| 12:26.51 | nevcairiel | the point is, you need to handle both anyway =p |
| 12:27.16 | [TOM_RUS] | no you need proper API so you don't have to fuck with tooltips |
| 12:27.36 | foxlit | you also need a pony. |
| 12:27.38 | VIad | you already got API to tell if you some item contains AP power |
| 12:27.43 | [TOM_RUS] | they had a time to replace dot with comma, but didn't had a time to add ne API |
| 12:27.46 | VIad | why not have one that tells you how much :D |
| 12:27.47 | [TOM_RUS] | what a shame |
| 12:28.01 | nevcairiel | why didnt you stop playing yet anyway with all your whining :D |
| 12:28.29 | VIad | classic nevcairiel, sucker punch |
| 12:30.07 | VIad | IsArtifactPowerItem could return a second arg being the amount :p |
| 12:30.19 | VIad | boolean, amount = IsArtifactPowerItem(link) |
| 12:31.19 | [TOM_RUS] | VIad: it's super hard for blizz to make it happen |
| 12:31.46 | VIad | gametooltips are fubared since vanilla inception |
| 12:31.56 | [TOM_RUS] | takes whole 5 minutes even if you never saw source code before |
| 12:34.10 | VIad | nevcairiel always has a reason to argue against this change, blaming it on thats now how software development cycles work or something |
| 12:34.30 | nevcairiel | its true though |
| 12:34.37 | nevcairiel | everyone complaining probably never worked on a big project |
| 12:34.56 | nevcairiel | you dont just make a 5 minute change and sneak it into the next release, or QA will ahve your head |
| 12:36.32 | [TOM_RUS] | theirs QA sucks anyway |
| 12:36.48 | VIad | also whats up with the tomb changes that arent documented at all? |
| 12:37.00 | VIad | and did QA even test out those changes? :p |
| 12:37.10 | VIad | heard mythic sisters is much more aids now, but no blue changelog on it |
| 12:37.13 | nevcairiel | i'm sure every change is documented, you just dont get to see internal documents :p |
| 12:37.28 | VIad | it sounds weird not mentioning current raid tier changes |
| 12:37.44 | [TOM_RUS] | they should just post raw commit log |
| 12:37.52 | VIad | wtb would be epic |
| 12:38.42 | VIad | "all mechanics can now target everyone on sisters LUL gon be g8" commit log excerpt |
| 12:39.58 | VIad | to be fair, the 7.3 changelogs are only talking about new content stuff |
| 12:40.19 | VIad | it's their moment to stroke the 7.3 shaft and look the best they can D |
| 12:40.41 | VIad | reddit will complain and twitter CS will reply to some of it if there istoo much chatter |
| 12:41.01 | VIad | we live in the era where you don't matter unless enough complain about something, then CS replies "oh right sorry we messed up" :P |
| 12:41.24 | VIad | makes me wonder why there isn't more outcry on the r3 prolonged :p |
| 12:41.55 | nevcairiel | because the effect of r3 prolonged power is minimal anyway =p |
| 12:41.57 | znf | who is this Turalyon fucker? |
| 12:42.33 | VIad | wowpedia Tyralyon znf :p |
| 12:42.49 | VIad | also r3 is purely a "craft more sometimes" rank |
| 12:42.52 | znf | let me rephrase: |
| 12:42.52 | VIad | it's always valuable |
| 12:43.06 | znf | Should I know this fucker from previous warcraft games? |
| 12:43.11 | VIad | the fact its ingame but blizz has a fucked up boss spawn cycle is infuriating |
| 12:43.16 | VIad | yes znf |
| 12:43.43 | VIad | if you are 30 years of age, you should know him |
| 12:43.54 | znf | I'm 31, damn it |
| 12:43.59 | znf | I guess I'm too old |
| 12:44.02 | VIad | think you should have read the books :P |
| 12:44.10 | znf | nah, I don't read books! |
| 12:44.14 | znf | I /experience/ the lore! |
| 12:44.27 | VIad | yeah, then you just get a surprise new character out of nowhere |
| 12:44.33 | VIad | I was too like "wtf is this cunt?" |
| 12:44.40 | VIad | "who the fuck" |
| 12:44.46 | VIad | when he came out of the cave on the PTR :p |
| 12:44.56 | VIad | had cool armor so I guessed some main character |
| 12:45.10 | VIad | can't remember him being involved in anything from any expansion sadly |
| 12:45.34 | VIad | the bookworms got their shafts stroken/stricken at least :D |
| 12:46.00 | znf | well, I keep hearing about "turalyon and alleria" for quite some time in discussions |
| 12:46.10 | VIad | I bet because of the 7.3 PTR |
| 12:46.16 | znf | nah, years ago |
| 12:46.27 | VIad | ah yeah were some questions about them on blizzcons |
| 12:46.31 | znf | people kept asking what happened to Alleria and Turalyon |
| 12:46.40 | VIad | https://wow.gamepedia.com/Turalyon#Status_prior_to_Legion |
| 12:46.42 | znf | and I was always like "who the fuck are these guys and why should I know about them?" |
| 12:46.52 | VIad | books stuff things |
| 12:47.09 | znf | yeah |
| 12:47.48 | VIad | sadly the mmo isn't as good at telling all the stories, only a few main selections :D |
| 12:48.03 | VIad | I really enjoyed lorewalker stories in mop |
| 12:48.22 | VIad | would be cool of every xpac had a lore guy that told you stories about less known characters that exist |
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| 12:48.51 | znf | Sooo... when can I fly in this place? |
| 12:48.55 | VIad | never |
| 12:48.59 | VIad | guessing timeless :) |
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| 12:49.10 | VIad | the skybox isn't designed for flying in mind |
| 12:49.13 | VIad | neither are the maps |
| 12:49.21 | znf | ...piece of shit |
| 12:49.38 | VIad | so I have high suspicions tbh |
| 12:50.19 | VIad | are the different zones even on the same map file? |
| 12:50.23 | VIad | or loading screens in between |
| 12:50.30 | VIad | when I tried the PTR I only had the first one open |
| 12:52.31 | foxlit | znf: and I was always like "who the fuck are these guys and why should I know about them?" << playing warcraft 2 would also help. |
| 12:54.26 | AcidWeb | Somebody maybe have extracted 7.3 UI textures? |
| 12:57.31 | VIad | when I had a gaming computer, wc3 was out and I played that. no wc1/2 sadly :P |
| 12:57.47 | VIad | if I was older, I probably would have played those too but it kind of passed me by. |
| 12:58.34 | znf | foxlit, I will when they remaster it! |
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| 13:08.41 | ls- | AcidWeb: why don't you extract them yourself? o_O it's easy to do |
| 13:08.56 | AcidWeb | ofc already done that |
| 13:09.01 | AcidWeb | but asking is faster |
| 13:09.08 | AcidWeb | considering i need to check only one thing |
| 13:09.19 | ls- | :D |
| 13:09.21 | ls- | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures |
| 13:11.10 | znf | I think someone will butt-fuck Arator and he will die |
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| 13:12.04 | znf | also, Vereesa is a judgemental bitch. |
| 13:13.20 | ls- | Vereesa is just an asspull of a character... |
| 13:14.02 | ls- | token waifu for Ronin, because banging elf chicks and breeding half-bloods is cool. |
| 13:14.51 | ls- | that's the only thing she's accomplished in her life so far, she got to ride Rhonin's dick |
| 13:18.09 | znf | why the fuck do they insist on making those imp-mother style of mobs which bug the fuck out? |
| 13:31.29 | foxlit | So Turalyon is just walking in place during one of the quest cutscenes, blocking progression. |
| 13:33.34 | znf | So, wait... |
| 13:33.45 | znf | alliance-tail-people built a huge ship |
| 13:34.07 | znf | they had tought to build a place for a weapon to be mounted |
| 13:34.13 | znf | but they never had an actual weapon to mount there? |
| 13:34.27 | ls- | foxlit, update master plan pls :p |
| 13:35.41 | Alram | mfw I had to disable 2 add-ons because of soundkit issues |
| 13:35.47 | Alram | so sad |
| 13:35.57 | Alram | Bagnon and some other add-on |
| 13:37.50 | ls- | damn, primal obliterum became cheep way too fast T_T |
| 13:38.04 | ls- | from 15k right after patch launch to 3k now T_T |
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| 13:39.58 | ls-_ | but it's so cheap now :( |
| 13:40.13 | pompy | ~toc |
| 13:40.13 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 70300, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
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| 13:43.26 | znf | me seeing the Xe'ra cutscene http://i.imgur.com/mp5RmrI.gifv |
| 13:44.39 | Constie | It's pretty good. |
| 13:54.41 | znf | oh, great, the Flightmaster's Whistle doesn't work on Argus |
| 13:57.05 | Constie | One of the vendors sells an upgrade for it that makes it work! |
| 13:57.36 | znf | which/where? |
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| 14:39.58 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/bfzbFRz.png <- I'm assuming this should be clickable in some way? |
| 14:43.07 | znf | oh, it is supposed to be clickable http://i.imgur.com/CN4mvnb.png |
| 14:46.13 | znf | foxlit, why does OPie reset my mount order every patch? :( |
| 14:56.49 | Maldivia | znf: well, it's nice that the dead can read their memorials I guess ? :D |
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| 15:35.25 | znf | huh? http://i.imgur.com/RnQ4Zp1.png |
| 15:36.17 | elvador | TheDanW: i noticed some weird behavior with textures (raid icons) in say bubbles and chat: the first time they are used after a reload they're invisible. happens without addons as well. see this gif: https://gfycat.com/RespectfulPlushEastrussiancoursinghounds |
| 15:36.21 | Constie | I think you need to have power echoing that of the Augari to open that. |
| 15:44.18 | pompy | is twitch forcing html5 playback now? it won't let me disable it |
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| 16:00.43 | Funkeh` | why would you ever want to disable it |
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| 16:23.07 | Funkeh` | foxlit, what happened to all the files in /helix/ |
| 16:23.18 | Funkeh` | just the atlas info and texture id now |
| 16:36.46 | foxlit | things broke. |
| 16:48.05 | Funkeh` | fix it fix it fix it |
| 16:49.36 | TheDanW | elvador: probably something to do with the new async texture loads, i'll have QA investigate - thanks |
| 16:49.58 | elvador | thanks! |
| 16:50.51 | Funkeh` | async, doom is coming |
| 16:53.05 | TheDanW | nebula, Simca: there are a couple benefits, but memory was the primary goal, 32 bit clients are still struggling - if the string data is presently in the client it won't be for long |
| 16:57.08 | nevcairiel | you should just shut those down for the good of everyone |
| 16:58.36 | Funkeh` | they are shutting down XP, might aswell go all the way |
| 16:59.59 | Thunder_Child | You can get Win 7 in 32-bit. |
| 17:00.12 | nevcairiel | You can aslo get it in 64-bit if you want to play in the future =p |
| 17:00.24 | Thunder_Child | Oh, looks like even 10 has 32 |
| 17:01.17 | Funkeh` | 0.08% of steam usesrs are on 10 32bit |
| 17:01.51 | Thunder_Child | Is there any extra overhead running a 64-bit os with less than 4gb of ram? |
| 17:02.19 | nevcairiel | there can be a little, but its really not worth thinking about |
| 17:02.58 | TheDanW | beyond just the 32 bit client problem, we still need to be aware of memory usage on 64 bit machines with little (available) ram |
| 17:03.26 | nevcairiel | I hope someone brought that up for serious discussion for the next expansion to just expand the requirements for more ram :) |
| 17:03.34 | nevcairiel | (and 64-bit) |
| 17:04.38 | Funkeh` | wasn't the current expansion already a leap in requirements? |
| 17:04.50 | nevcairiel | it was |
| 17:07.05 | Funkeh` | oh well |
| 17:07.18 | Funkeh` | nothing wrong with optimizations anyway |
| 17:08.07 | Funkeh` | and for those of us who actually fixed it months ago :P |
| 17:10.16 | Gnarfoz | elvador: TheDanW: I'm also seeing that with for example the silhouette in chat that indicates someone on my realid friend list came online/went offline (missing icon) |
| 17:10.30 | nevcairiel | yeah it happens with all string-inlined icons |
| 17:11.21 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what the (sadly non-public) battle.net hardware survey says about 32 bit OS % |
| 17:11.31 | Gnarfoz | must be huge to still warrant this much effort |
| 17:11.55 | Gnarfoz | (has that been integrated into the bnet app by now, btw? so you get nearly 100% coverage?) |
| 17:13.43 | Funkeh` | it will drop with the killing off of xp |
| 17:14.09 | Gnarfoz | by a considerable amount, to be sure, but as pointed out already, even 10 exists as 32b :C |
| 17:15.27 | Funkeh` | xp and vista were the ones where 32 was more common than 64 was my point |
| 17:16.36 | Gnarfoz | not sure why MS didn't just abuse their monopoly powers for something good for once and forced OEMs to use 64b^^ |
| 17:16.50 | Gnarfoz | instead, plenty of pre-built PCs with 32b Windows for no reason |
| 17:17.16 | TheDanW | Gnarfoz: yeah, i'm pretty sure it occurs with all embedded icons - it appears that they're not getting notified to rebatch after the texture has loaded |
| 17:30.58 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: did you get my PM? It said you are in +g mode (server-side ignore.) |
| 17:31.01 | Stanzilla | whatever that means :D |
| 17:31.19 | nevcairiel | ignores all PMs =p |
| 17:32.25 | Funkeh` | it's default for freenode since ~2 weeks ago |
| 17:32.34 | Funkeh` | you need to be registered |
| 17:32.37 | Fisker | That's +R? |
| 17:32.40 | nevcairiel | thats a different mode though |
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| 17:43.36 | foxlit | I like whoever designed the zonewide death mechanic on Argus. |
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| 18:00.04 | [TOM_RUS] | foxlit: who ever designed this shit mechanic should be fired immediately and banned from game development for rest of his life |
| 18:03.48 | schlumpf | I have a different suggestion! Ban Tom! |
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| 18:47.20 | ls- | what I don't like is lack of graveyards T_T |
| 18:53.11 | nevcairiel | i died occasionally and i didnt notice anything special, i spawned at some graveyard, ran to my corpse and done? =p |
| 18:54.42 | ls- | yeah, but in wastes you have to run through literally half of the zone sometimes T_T |
| 18:56.07 | ls- | one war killed my mage today, I was angry after I had to run for so long, so I relogged onto my vdh and kept reskilling for quite a long time T_T |
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| 19:01.58 | wh0ami | hi |
| 19:02.40 | ls- | hi, who are you? :p |
| 19:03.04 | wh0ami | how can i print a string that includes game links/colors (like |cffXXXXXX or |T... |H...) ? |
| 19:03.44 | wh0ami | i tried print() and message() but it prints directly links and colors instead the full string without links or colors |
| 19:05.07 | nevcairiel | you need to escape them |
| 19:05.13 | nevcairiel | replace | with || |
| 19:05.26 | nevcairiel | or something like that |
| 19:05.27 | nevcairiel | i forget |
| 19:05.28 | wh0ami | ok, thanks nevcairiel :p |
| 19:05.33 | ls- | yeah, something like this gsub(string, "\124", "\124\124") |
| 20:18.42 | foxlit | is there a way to check whether a path points to a valid texture (even one supplied by an addon)? |
| 20:25.11 | znf | doYouExist("texture") |
| 20:30.59 | schlumpf | createtexture(path) == createtexture("crappygreentexture.blp")? |
| 20:31.58 | foxlit | schlumpf: that's not a thing. |
| 20:32.13 | schlumpf | right, it was "createCrappyGreenTexture.blp" |
| 20:32.39 | foxlit | what are you even comparing for equality? :P |
| 20:33.08 | schlumpf | CTexture* |
| 20:33.28 | schlumpf | it will return the same pointer since those are cached |
| 20:33.33 | foxlit | why would I have a pointer? |
| 20:33.40 | schlumpf | and createcrappygreentexture.blp is the fallback when unknown file |
| 20:33.55 | foxlit | addons, Lua environment, remember? |
| 20:33.59 | schlumpf | eww |
| 20:34.07 | schlumpf | right, this was _that_ channel |
| 20:34.15 | schlumpf | #weirdFetishes |
| 20:36.58 | schlumpf | (then again, there might be some weird side effect where a texture object in lua will get to be the same object due to caching as well) |
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| 21:05.30 | Talyrius | Does the packager still work with GitHub repos? I committed an update nearly 40 minutes ago and the packager still hasn't done anything. |
| 21:06.22 | Talyrius | It's set to package all commits. |
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| 21:09.30 | nevcairiel | you'll probably need to setup a webhook to notify the packager that something changed |
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| 21:18.55 | Simca | TheDanW: It would kind of suck if SoundKitName.db2 stopped being shipped. the game doesn't read it now, so it isn't hurting the memory footprint, and its existence eases the use of sound kits for addon authors and those interested in game music |
| 21:19.38 | Simca | just my two cents |
| 21:20.25 | Simca | also if anyone needs a fixed version of bagnon/adibags, i made them for friends who were having issues and can link them here |
| 21:25.29 | mischanix | If you care so much about memory footprint, you could make casc not use so much of it >.> |
| 21:27.09 | Simca | my guess is that they probably aren't responsible for CASC implementation, and that it is part of the Battle.net's team projects |
| 21:28.40 | znf | we should make a petition on change.org demanding more transparency for file packing (?) conventions that do not supress addon authors! |
| 21:29.33 | Simca | i hope you're proud of yourself. i was drinking milk when i read that and i lost it everywhere |
| 21:32.23 | nevcairiel | thats too much of a meme to be true |
| 21:35.04 | znf | s/supress/oppress ? |
| 21:36.24 | Thunder_Child | Yea, I thought that wording was odd. |
| 21:37.40 | Simca | i just amused myself by imagining a crowd of protesters with signs saying 'No more 32-bit clients' |
| 21:38.19 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 21:38.36 | znf | oh, what a surprise, elasticsearch5 won't run properly in a lxc container |
| 21:39.13 | znf | speaking of 32bit |
| 21:39.19 | nevcairiel | if wow keeps evolving and they are having such bad troubles already today, then canceling 32-bit and requiring a 6-8gb system or such will be the only sensible choice |
| 21:39.29 | znf | I wonder what's the % of the WoW users on 32bit clients |
| 21:39.32 | Simca | yeah eventually |
| 21:39.53 | znf | I've said this once, ages ago - if you want to slow down the boting community, disable the 32bit client |
| 21:39.57 | Simca | i think they're just trying to delay it as long as possible though. every day they delay the switch, more people go 64-bit |
| 21:40.24 | nevcairiel | well, they could make that go faster by announcing a deprecation timeline |
| 21:40.34 | nevcairiel | so people actually have a reason they might care about |
| 21:40.43 | znf | 7.x doesn't support XP anymore, right? |
| 21:40.48 | znf | Or will the next version? |
| 21:41.00 | nevcairiel | technically they announced it for october so 7.3 should still work on XP |
| 21:41.10 | nevcairiel | october is an add date since there is no real patch window there |
| 21:41.17 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 21:41.22 | Simca | 7.3.5 is nov-ish, so prob for that |
| 21:41.25 | nevcairiel | odd* |
| 21:41.37 | znf | ah |
| 21:41.39 | Thunder_Child | It still seems odd, gamers are not really known for having antiquated equipment. |
| 21:42.19 | Simca | WoW is an odd game; I still know several people who play who play no other games |
| 21:42.21 | nevcairiel | well, you appear to have never been in a casual wow guild :p |
| 21:42.36 | nevcairiel | its scary what crappy systems some people play on |
| 21:42.45 | znf | literally potato |
| 21:43.40 | nevcairiel | the increased requirements in legion already cleaned some of that up |
| 21:43.46 | nevcairiel | they finally ditched fixed-function GPUs |
| 21:43.52 | nevcairiel | which must have been a real pain to work with |
| 21:44.19 | znf | what's a fixed function gpu? |
| 21:44.27 | nevcairiel | one without programmable shaders |
| 21:45.00 | znf | example? |
| 21:45.07 | Simca | did they? I thought they still had OpenGL 1.5 support |
| 21:45.14 | nevcairiel | anything really old? |
| 21:45.42 | nevcairiel | programmable shaders started with OpenGL 2 and DX 8 (only properly with DX9, though) |
| 21:45.51 | Simca | znf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo2 |
| 21:46.07 | znf | oh, Voodoo |
| 21:46.15 | nevcairiel | anything from that generation really |
| 21:46.17 | znf | I still remember the days when you had one those, you were a rich mofo |
| 21:46.25 | nevcairiel | and newer things |
| 21:46.31 | nevcairiel | not sure when the first shader cards game out |
| 21:47.15 | nevcairiel | opengl 2.0 spec was released in 2004, so probably teh first gpus came out in about 2004/2005 |
| 21:47.41 | Simca | I had a GeForce 2 MX 400 for a very long time. whopping 64MB vram, so cutting edge |
| 21:47.47 | nevcairiel | GeForce FX (ie. 5) and GeForce 6 where the first to get OpenGL 2.0 support |
| 21:48.42 | nevcairiel | wow must've run really crappy in opengl 1.5 mode on such an old system |
| 21:48.51 | nevcairiel | but still crazy that they kept it alive until legion |
| 21:48.59 | Simca | hey i got 3 FPS in ironforge |
| 21:49.17 | znf | look at this fatcat |
| 21:49.23 | znf | all 3 frames in a whole second |
| 21:49.24 | znf | crazy |
| 21:49.25 | Simca | though sometimes i'd get these lag spikes when i lost control and if i was holding W when it started, it'd always end up in the damn trenches |
| 21:49.38 | nevcairiel | ironforge is really bad for lags like that =p |
| 21:49.58 | Simca | also, grass would sometimes float about 20 yards in the air |
| 21:50.04 | Simca | usually in wetlands |
| 21:50.20 | nevcairiel | i dont remmeber what kind of hardware I had when WoW came out |
| 21:50.30 | nevcairiel | but i usually kept a pretty good setup |
| 21:50.37 | nevcairiel | not super highend but upper midrange |
| 21:53.03 | nevcairiel | battle.net should've stored some of those old hardware surveys :D |
| 21:53.58 | nevcairiel | (or steam, for that matter) |
| 22:34.05 | Simca | http://www.wowdb.com/items/151558 couldn't figure out why this page errors |
| 22:34.21 | Simca | turns out, our tooltip generation thing has a check for sellvalue > 0 |
| 22:34.29 | Simca | and this item has a negative sell value |
| 22:36.19 | wh0ami | i need some help with patterns |
| 22:36.29 | Simca | regex? |
| 22:36.57 | Simca | (also, i was wrong, i think the value is being read wrong from dbcache on our end) |
| 22:38.22 | wh0ami | im using: string.find(text, "|cffffffff|Hplayer:%a|h[%a] (GUID: %d+) using %a %f/%f (%d+ms)") to be found at "[Nomaster] (GUID: 585) using Speed 17.0668/3.92 (11ms)" but no luck |
| 22:39.07 | wh0ami | i used http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Pattern_matching as reference |
| 22:39.55 | wh0ami | also tried "|cffffffff|Hplayer:%a|h[%a]|h|r (GUID: %d+) using %a %f/%f (%d+ms)" and no luck |
| 22:40.06 | Simca | | is the problem, or a problem, if you're using the ingame command /run to execute this |
| 22:40.22 | Simca | replace | with \124 - the escape char sequence for that |
| 22:51.20 | wh0ami | Simca: im using it in an addon |
| 22:53.08 | tz | don't suppose anybody's got a code snippet handy for setting up multiple chat windows? positioning, which channels etc. |
| 22:53.15 | tz | kinda sick of it getting reset every failed login |
| 22:55.07 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
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| 22:57.26 | tz | well, more specifically, "failed login" = d/c with WOW51900319 shortly after entering world |
| 22:57.40 | tz | it's very effective at wiping my chat frame setup :( |
| 23:20.50 | znf | tz, isn't that fixed by disabling the server-side saving of chat settings? |
| 23:21.29 | znf | tz, ie: SET synchronizeConfig "0" |
| 23:23.02 | tz | way ahead of you, no effect |
| 23:23.20 | tz | it works in other cases, just not with the WOW5... error |
| 23:23.43 | tz | let me reconfirm it hasn't been flipped back, though |
| 23:24.01 | tz | settings/config/bindings/macros = 0 |
| 23:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | i have so many franken-addons at this point lol |
| 23:42.02 | Mr_Rabies | repaired over time by instructions in comments after it gets abandoned |
| 23:53.30 | Mr_Rabies | speaking of which |
| 23:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | is there an easy way to see what instance IDs LFR versions of raids use? |
| 23:54.04 | Mr_Rabies | kind of want to fix savedinstances and add support for ToS |
| 23:55.19 | znf | ask Stanzilla |
| 23:55.25 | znf | he has a link handy for SavedInstances |
| 23:56.25 | Stanzilla | https://github.com/eTzmNcbkrng/SavedInstances |
