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| 05:09.30 | Ssateneth | Wow. I cant believe I missed it that long |
| 05:10.34 | Ssateneth | I -knew- there was somethign added to better express aura durations (and likely extended to spell cooldowns) during some of the nighthold fights like the 2nd boss |
| 05:10.48 | Ssateneth | return #15 of UnitBuff |
| 05:10.58 | Ssateneth | just forgot it was there |
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| 08:40.38 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel, you could always just read the voltages and currents on them |
| 08:41.06 | nevcairiel | of course, but thats the annoying part |
| 08:41.42 | nevcairiel | some dont have the polarity symbol, so I would have to measure them to be really sure |
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| 09:31.44 | VIad | I learned the various degree of pain from touching voltage, so I can tell you by just licking the thing. |
| 09:40.22 | Gnarfoz | figuring out the polarity and voltage is easy, current is rather hard |
| 09:44.27 | nevcairiel | voltage and current are usually written on them, polarity they like to leave out :( |
| 09:46.15 | VIad | most chargers I have show an icon for polarity, luckily |
| 09:46.21 | VIad | maybe it's a scandinavian requirement :p |
| 09:47.26 | nevcairiel | "most" do it as well, but some dont =p |
| 09:48.57 | VIad | think most smaller dongles probably skip that info |
| 09:50.29 | VIad | nevcairiel I broke the rankings https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/204269659459944448/334627022829649921/unknown.png |
| 09:51.08 | nevcairiel | dps rankings are boring anyway |
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| 11:52.51 | VIad | curse locale packager has huge issues |
| 11:53.02 | VIad | bartender4, routes |
| 11:54.05 | VIad | issues with the "Translation missing" blocks |
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| 12:54.46 | p3lim | great, queueing for LFR/LFG is broken |
| 13:00.41 | VIad | yeah blizz posted about it |
| 13:00.49 | VIad | it worked earlym orning |
| 13:03.11 | VIad | also curse locale packager issues :d |
| 13:03.22 | VIad | unsure if Torhal is the guty to go to, or Simca |
| 13:06.46 | VIad | "Like this to downvote." forum posts are now a thing on the wow forums :P |
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| 13:10.33 | ls-pc | it's still broken? ffs T_T |
| 13:11.29 | Gnarfoz | it's broken a different way |
| 13:11.55 | Gnarfoz | and it's Torhal or Zeldo or Flamegoat, not poor Simca |
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| 13:42.19 | VIad | simca looks like can fix anything |
| 13:43.49 | Simca | me irl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPzNl6NKAG0 |
| 13:44.11 | VIad | you look well fed |
| 13:45.41 | VIad | mythic dungeon invitational |
| 13:46.00 | VIad | +20 tyrannical lower kara with griveous on 900 ilvl template characters |
| 13:49.58 | VIad | to explain the joke, moroes bleed + griveous = death |
| 13:49.59 | ls-pc | many pvper are so butthurt cuz of it :p |
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| 13:51.14 | nevcairiel | moroes aint that bad anymore since they nerfed him |
| 13:51.28 | VIad | you haven't done +15 moroes this week |
| 13:51.34 | nevcairiel | you mean last week? |
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| 13:51.37 | VIad | with 910 ilvl people :p |
| 13:52.02 | nevcairiel | we did CoEN 13 last week because the keystone fairy was being a bitch, that was... fun |
| 13:52.04 | VIad | the dps req is insane, had to cleave 2 of his addsto make it before the bleeds killed us all |
| 13:52.30 | VIad | tyrannical moroes hurts a lot with griveous, 2x bleeds the healer can't outheal |
| 13:52.50 | VIad | it's like fine at start but then you can't save people and RNG is a factor, the more bleeds on tank the higher odds you have :D |
| 13:52.52 | nevcairiel | this week should be easy |
| 13:52.58 | nevcairiel | two avoidable ground effects |
| 13:52.59 | nevcairiel | ez |
| 13:52.59 | VIad | last week* |
| 13:53.06 | VIad | I did it yesterday so |
| 13:53.17 | nevcairiel | also, I like the change how you get higher stones from the chest |
| 13:53.22 | nevcairiel | saves us a bunch of runs |
| 13:53.26 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:53.32 | VIad | now I only have to do 2 runs :P |
| 13:53.38 | nevcairiel | got a -1 only this week, instead of a -3 like before |
| 13:53.38 | VIad | 2x 1 chest runs |
| 13:53.53 | VIad | btw why didn't blizz make the chest look more pompous the more "chests" you got? |
| 13:54.00 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 13:54.04 | nevcairiel | always looks the same |
| 13:54.11 | VIad | removing the amount of chests was a bummer, I think it looked cool when you see like 1..2..3.. chests spawn :D |
| 13:54.17 | VIad | now it just looks the same regardless |
| 13:54.20 | VIad | it's a bit boring |
| 13:54.40 | VIad | chest should become larger and more fancy when you do it in time and quicker and such :D |
| 13:55.01 | VIad | 3 chest/gold = megachest with rubies saphires and game of thrones type decoration |
| 13:55.11 | VIad | depleted chest = good old deadmines chest |
| 13:55.45 | Gnarfoz | we didn't manage to beat our CoEN 15 last week :( no druid healer no win |
| 13:56.04 | VIad | https://gfycat.com/PerfumedFakeAndalusianhorse |
| 13:56.06 | nevcairiel | with grievous you might want something like a paladin rather |
| 13:56.24 | nevcairiel | also dont beat mean in time or not at all? |
| 13:56.31 | nevcairiel | with coen 15 i could see not at all actually being a thing |
| 13:56.40 | nevcairiel | the last two bosses can be hard |
| 13:56.42 | Gnarfoz | not at all |
| 13:56.54 | nevcairiel | we wiped quite a bunch of times on the last boss |
| 13:57.07 | VIad | you need to beat a dps chest with griveous |
| 13:57.16 | VIad | since he inherently has heavier aoe the longer you fight |
| 13:57.21 | VIad | making griveous even worse |
| 13:57.25 | Gnarfoz | managed to kill Domatrax ok after 2 wipes, but Mephistroth was just wtf |
| 13:57.30 | Gnarfoz | incoming damage way too high |
| 13:57.31 | Simca | don't even bother with coen 15 tyrannical |
| 13:57.31 | VIad | like some boss fights synergize with griveous :d |
| 13:57.36 | Simca | huge waste of your time |
| 13:57.51 | Simca | with no depleted keys now, there are just better options |
| 13:57.53 | VIad | a +15 isnt the same since the baseline difficulty is different |
| 13:57.55 | nevcairiel | we have had incredibly bad luck with keys the last couple weeks |
| 13:58.06 | nevcairiel | karazhans and coen's all around |
| 13:58.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah we figured "let's see how terrible it is with the last round of nerfs" |
| 13:58.24 | Gnarfoz | result: still terrible |
| 13:58.24 | Simca | vizduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum |
| 13:58.28 | nevcairiel | thats what we said with the 13 |
| 13:58.32 | nevcairiel | result: still terrible |
| 13:58.35 | nevcairiel | spent like 200% of time there |
| 13:58.39 | nevcairiel | didnt want to give up! |
| 13:58.40 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:58.55 | nevcairiel | on 15 we might not have managed, but 13 was barely possible |
| 13:59.11 | Gnarfoz | almost 90 minutes https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MnHwKhzZ61Jm7bP3#view=analytical |
| 13:59.15 | Simca | biggest complaint i have is court of stars - place is relatively easy, but when you have the engineering orb that disables all constructs in the instance |
| 13:59.18 | Simca | it's a complete joke |
| 13:59.26 | nevcairiel | we never have engineers :( |
| 13:59.36 | nevcairiel | we also never have a hunter for the trap |
| 13:59.38 | nevcairiel | all the good ones |
| 13:59.46 | Simca | the engineering orb is just broken |
| 14:00.06 | Simca | it permanently stuns the triple construct pull for teeming too, allowing you to pull in 15% free |
| 14:00.12 | nevcairiel | i generally like court though despite that, but its hard to +3 it from the timings |
| 14:00.32 | Simca | yeah, court is good |
| 14:00.52 | VIad | btw I don't like that DBM don't log all the CM run and only bosses :/ |
| 14:01.01 | nevcairiel | dont remind me of teeming, teeming+exploside neltharion, 4 pack stone throwers, so much pain |
| 14:01.05 | Simca | maw of souls is actually awful now that they buffed helya so much |
| 14:01.12 | Gnarfoz | it turns it off and on during the run? derp |
| 14:01.21 | Gnarfoz | that shouldn't even result in a log WCL accepts |
| 14:01.29 | VIad | dbm autologging only logs bosses or /pull but not the whole thing if you start a m+ |
| 14:01.31 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: it results in some garbage log, but it'll try |
| 14:01.38 | Simca | i didn't even know DBM does logging tbh |
| 14:01.43 | VIad | it has auto-option |
| 14:01.45 | Simca | i use loggerhead |
| 14:01.47 | nevcairiel | i use loggerheadlite, it does full m+ logging |
| 14:01.49 | Gnarfoz | the question usually is "what doesn't DBM do" |
| 14:01.55 | VIad | I'll get loggerhead |
| 14:02.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah I use LHL as well, works fine |
| 14:02.07 | VIad | if it supports /pull and boss encounters then it does what dbm does :p |
| 14:02.17 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 14:02.20 | nevcairiel | on new dungeons its a bit iffy with m+ since it basically misses your first run |
| 14:02.20 | Gnarfoz | it just turns it on by instance |
| 14:02.40 | nevcairiel | i wish it had an option to just enable for all m+ |
| 14:02.44 | nevcairiel | prods nebula |
| 14:02.48 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â I've been pre-loading the SV with the appropriate ID |
| 14:03.01 | nevcairiel | for raids its no issue |
| 14:03.08 | nevcairiel | but it misses the m+ starting line then |
| 14:03.11 | nevcairiel | and the log goes kaputt |
| 14:03.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah the switchover to challenge mode difficulty + COMBATANT_INFO happening right during the loading screen... |
| 14:03.52 | Gnarfoz | a bit derp (and if logs caused by DBM's auto-logging work for WCL, then it must have handling for this as well) |
| 14:04.12 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what the point of being more selective is... space savings? wut |
| 14:04.33 | VIad | I mean you only care about bosses so no point to log trash in most cases |
| 14:04.43 | nevcairiel | its just dumb, in m+ the trash counts as much as the bosses |
| 14:04.47 | nevcairiel | so an overall log is actually useful |
| 14:04.49 | VIad | but I figure m+ runs would require the trash in the log to be legit |
| 14:05.04 | VIad | DBM only uses the boss encounter event though :P |
| 14:05.17 | VIad | or /pull to start the pre-log to not miss anything |
| 14:05.20 | VIad | it wasn't made for m+ |
| 14:05.30 | VIad | so while in m+ it just happens to autolog the bosses but thats it ;d |
| 14:06.21 | VIad | ah loggerhead logs all in raids too |
| 14:06.47 | Gnarfoz | like I've been saying, it must have special handling for M+ or it wouldn't work at all |
| 14:07.03 | Gnarfoz | i.e. it can't be logging just bosses |
| 14:07.14 | Gnarfoz | but I'm not going to look at the code :p |
| 14:07.30 | nevcairiel | turning logging off between bosses just generally seems like a micro-optimization thats not worth the effort to implement it |
| 14:07.33 | Simca | WCL handles M+ weird anyway iirc, it counts the whole thing as 1 encounter |
| 14:07.34 | VIad | there must be a way to detect if you are in a active m+ and start logging |
| 14:08.41 | VIad | I used simcas mob weight lib and made my own m+ addon to help me know how much we got in combat with us and how much % we will have when done |
| 14:08.53 | nevcairiel | Simca: yeah because you typically have multiple runs in one log, but it splits it in "phases" within the log so you can look at bosses that way if you want to. To be fair, a M+ dungeon basically is one long encounter. |
| 14:08.55 | VIad | and I used a depleted key to test out detection of m+ start and such |
| 14:09.14 | VIad | the moment you start the m+ countdown, logging should start |
| 14:09.28 | VIad | if you DC mid run and login, should be API to help know "yes you are in a active m+" :p |
| 14:10.04 | Simca | i think you can get the scenario ID of your mythic+ |
| 14:10.07 | Simca | and figure it out that way |
| 14:10.11 | Simca | not totally sure |
| 14:10.15 | VIad | yeah it uses the scenario system stages |
| 14:10.37 | nevcairiel | cant you just query the affix info or whatever, there is plenty info thats shown in the m+ tracker on the side to clue you in |
| 14:11.14 | VIad | C_ChallengeMode.GetActiveChallengeMapID() |
| 14:11.33 | VIad | C_ChallengeMode.GetActiveKeystoneInfo() |
| 14:11.46 | VIad | just need to check those after the right events ^^ |
| 14:12.25 | Simca | C_ChallengeMode.GetActiveChallengeMapID() - doesn't that return the same map for kara lower and kara upper? |
| 14:12.42 | VIad | btw I hate that the C_Scenario.GetCriteriaInfo returns a integer (not double/float) so you have to parse a string like "59.2%" to get the number >_> |
| 14:12.47 | VIad | yes Simca |
| 14:12.49 | Simca | oh shit that reminds me, i have to update for 7.2.5 |
| 14:12.50 | VIad | you need a hack |
| 14:13.00 | Simca | i noticed they changed the %s for HoV again slightly |
| 14:13.07 | VIad | I check the name if it's "Upper" :p |
| 14:13.11 | VIad | if the map is same as kara |
| 14:13.12 | Simca | when running it last week, it was slightly off |
| 14:13.41 | Simca | i'm glad you brought this up, i totally forgot |
| 14:14.04 | VIad | ideally C_ChallengeMode should have some API to bridge some of the scenario API :p |
| 14:14.22 | Simca | yeah all of that stuff is in the data, the API just isn't exposing enough |
| 14:14.30 | VIad | C_ChallengeMode.GetActiveKeystoneProgress() |
| 14:14.35 | Simca | i know they err on the side of caution but really if they had just given us ScenarioID |
| 14:14.40 | Simca | that would have been all we needed |
| 14:14.48 | VIad | sure |
| 14:14.49 | Simca | scenarioID is unique between lower and upper kara |
| 14:15.18 | Simca | i could probably bug TheDanW about it but i don't know if it is worth it |
| 14:15.27 | Gnarfoz | there's really no need, the m+ have their own mapid, just log based on that (it's what LHL does) |
| 14:15.38 | Gnarfoz | easy, reliable |
| 14:15.41 | Simca | lower and upper kara have same mapID |
| 14:15.52 | Simca | they are the same map |
| 14:15.56 | Gnarfoz | in case you want to log one but not the other? |
| 14:16.05 | Simca | no in case you need to figure out which is which |
| 14:16.28 | Simca | like for timing boss distance or adding %s to trash mob names |
| 14:17.15 | Simca | i wonder if there is actually any overlap |
| 14:17.20 | Simca | if any mobs appear in both sections |
| 14:17.27 | Gnarfoz | this was about logging, but I guess we've diverged :D |
| 14:17.31 | Simca | yeah |
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| 14:18.01 | nevcairiel | not the actual same mobs, but the one ghost at the beginning of lower might be the same mob type as the ghosts at the beginning of upper |
| 14:18.32 | Gnarfoz | (to be clear, I meant InstanceMapID, but same thing applies. really a "Blizzard's fault" kind of thing, if at all) |
| 14:18.48 | nevcairiel | but its one mob that you wouldnt ever skip anyway |
| 14:18.55 | Simca | yeah you're right. their %s are weighed based on the amount required, so those ghosts are worth different amounts in upper and lower |
| 14:19.08 | Simca | so it is relevant to figure out which dungeon you're in for accuracy there |
| 14:19.36 | VIad | I need to make my own autologger |
| 14:19.41 | Gnarfoz | you really don't |
| 14:19.48 | Gnarfoz | it'll just be needlessly complicated, like DBM's :p |
| 14:20.02 | Simca | make your own logger |
| 14:20.03 | VIad | I don't wanna log entire TOS or NH trash ,_, |
| 14:20.08 | Gnarfoz | because... |
| 14:20.14 | Simca | and make it so that whenever SitOrStandUp fires, you toggle logging |
| 14:20.25 | Simca | call the addon WeAllLog |
| 14:20.45 | VIad | I'd make it also recognize pull timers from other addons to start pre-logging |
| 14:20.59 | VIad | and allow the user to specify if they wanna log everything while in raids, 5 mans, or m+ modes |
| 14:21.07 | Gnarfoz | or just log continuously and let WCL worry about it (because it does) |
| 14:21.11 | VIad | or only bosses, and respect m+ to log everything ofc |
| 14:21.18 | VIad | drive space man |
| 14:21.28 | Simca | my idea was much better, sorry |
| 14:21.29 | nevcairiel | set the log folder to apply ntfs compression |
| 14:21.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah all those tebibytes getting chewed up by mebibyte combatlogs ;p |
| 14:21.52 | Gnarfoz | Simca:Â it might have been but I don't get the joke |
| 14:22.00 | nevcairiel | i refuse to use those horrible prefixes |
| 14:22.04 | VIad | oh ntfs compression :o |
| 14:22.19 | Simca | also every time you start logging, /console taintlog 2 |
| 14:22.20 | Gnarfoz | or click "delete" after it's done uploading :> |
| 14:22.24 | VIad | lol |
| 14:22.28 | Gnarfoz | Simca:Â TSM already does that, tyvm |
| 14:22.31 | VIad | log became like 1/5th its size :d |
| 14:22.38 | nevcairiel | its text |
| 14:22.40 | Gnarfoz | (actually, 1, but still. terrible. Sapu!) |
| 14:22.40 | VIad | yeah |
| 14:22.41 | nevcairiel | text compresses well |
| 14:22.45 | VIad | good tip |
| 14:23.03 | Simca | the difference between 1 and 2 is the difference between having free hard drive space after you exit wow |
| 14:23.06 | VIad | *right clicks SSD, enables ntfs compression on the whole drive* |
| 14:23.20 | nevcairiel | you need more space |
| 14:23.20 | Gnarfoz | another difference: one is usable, the other not so much |
| 14:23.24 | Simca | see you after the reformat |
| 14:23.39 | nevcairiel | i use taintlog 11, thats how i roll! |
| 14:23.48 | VIad | wtb taintlog 11 on release builds |
| 14:23.50 | Gnarfoz | live wow is so old |
| 14:23.52 | Gnarfoz | nev just plays on ptr |
| 14:24.01 | nevcairiel | (its actually useful again, but so much info) |
| 14:24.03 | Gnarfoz | bleeding edge gaming |
| 14:24.28 | VIad | Simca: say when you push a update for LibObjectiveProgress-1.0 |
| 14:24.32 | Simca | literally bleeding |
| 14:24.53 | nevcairiel | in harddrive related news, I got rid of my last spinning drive in my main PC |
| 14:25.02 | nevcairiel | only have spinning drives for storage in the server now! |
| 14:25.23 | VIad | help me out here, there is a SSD like storage some MBs support |
| 14:25.36 | VIad | you slot it in a special port |
| 14:25.55 | Gnarfoz | M.2? |
| 14:25.57 | Thunder_Child | M2? |
| 14:25.58 | VIad | yes |
| 14:26.00 | Simca | that's so 2017, it's all about the pcie drives baby |
| 14:26.06 | Simca | 2016* |
| 14:26.12 | Gnarfoz | M.2 does PCI-E |
| 14:26.16 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 14:26.29 | nevcairiel | not sure many people even buy SATA M.2 |
| 14:26.37 | Thunder_Child | Unless you are talking about the full length card ones. |
| 14:26.42 | Simca | that's probably why the prices are so awful |
| 14:26.47 | Thunder_Child | Which are stupid expensive. |
| 14:26.47 | Gnarfoz | sounds like was, but the reply still holds :p |
| 14:26.49 | nevcairiel | halp my system was invaded by samsung http://i.imgur.com/Td03MoH.png |
| 14:27.14 | VIad | my board has M.2 support |
| 14:27.22 | Gnarfoz | can't stop now, get a Samsung microwave oven, dish washer, washing machine, camera and car as well! |
| 14:27.24 | nevcairiel | ^ two of those are M.2 |
| 14:27.25 | VIad | but I am unsure if I should get a stick for it |
| 14:27.27 | Simca | i have 8 TB of spinning drives, that would be very expensive to SSD-ize |
| 14:27.52 | Gnarfoz | someone motivate me to move my 9 HDDs into a separate system |
| 14:27.54 | VIad | since I use PCI-E for 2GPUs would M.2 interfere? |
| 14:27.56 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 14:27.59 | Simca | i may make the jump though, at least for 3 TB |
| 14:28.05 | VIad | I mean there are only so many lanes/bandwith |
| 14:28.17 | nevcairiel | VIad: depends on your motherboard, recent chipsets have special IO ports for m2 pcie drives |
| 14:28.19 | Simca | my work drive fails yearly because i annihilate that disk with writes |
| 14:28.29 | VIad | https://www.komplett.no/product/822915?noredirect=true#technical-details |
| 14:28.35 | VIad | ASUS X99-A |
| 14:28.39 | nevcairiel | thats too old |
| 14:28.48 | VIad | I'm sorry for not upgrading every year |
| 14:28.52 | Thunder_Child | I have 15TB of spinning drives. I really should have a NAS of some kind. |
| 14:28.58 | nevcairiel | but if you have a 40-lane CPU in it, you would have enough lanes |
| 14:29.04 | VIad | it says it uses PICe3.0 M.2 |
| 14:29.21 | VIad | got i7-5820K |
| 14:29.26 | nevcairiel | if you have a 28 lane cpu in it, the two gpus probably run on 8 anyway, and there is room too! |
| 14:29.27 | VIad | 28 PCIe lanes |
| 14:29.49 | nevcairiel | (or 16+8, still leaving room for 4 lanes for the ssd) |
| 14:30.01 | VIad | hmm |
| 14:30.19 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child:Â same :| I even have my old 1st gen Cooler Master Stacker, but I don't know where in my flat to put it :D |
| 14:30.21 | VIad | maybe I should then get a M.2 |
| 14:30.24 | Gnarfoz | (excuses, of course) |
| 14:30.33 | VIad | I only got my GPU using the PCIe anyway |
| 14:30.47 | nevcairiel | right next to your computer desk of course, Gnarfoz |
| 14:31.17 | Gnarfoz | that's the only option that'd be immediately doable |
| 14:31.21 | nevcairiel | and you could once and for all fix your DPC issues by just not doing things in parallel anymore! |
| 14:31.28 | Gnarfoz | I'd gain nothing on the noise front, though |
| 14:31.32 | Thunder_Child | Space I have, but it would run me ~$2K to get started, which is a bit much at the moment. |
| 14:31.33 | nevcairiel | ..if those are still happening |
| 14:31.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah they are |
| 14:31.50 | Gnarfoz | as long as qBittorrent is running, how ever it manages to cause them |
| 14:32.05 | Gnarfoz | 2K? well, if you're gonna go, go big, I guess. :D |
| 14:32.29 | Gnarfoz | I'd just need a new PSU and perhaps some custom cables so it isn't fugly |
| 14:32.33 | nevcairiel | i think my storage server build was around that as well, but it definitely is big |
| 14:32.34 | Thunder_Child | I'd have to get new drives since mine are all over the place size wise. |
| 14:32.39 | Gnarfoz | the rest I have in spare parts |
| 14:32.52 | Gnarfoz | that's more of a mindset problem ;p |
| 14:33.10 | nevcairiel | and different sizes are not really a problem if you go with something flexible |
| 14:33.11 | Gnarfoz | or rather, choice of redundancy/pooling solution problem |
| 14:33.27 | Gnarfoz | (you know where this is going) |
| 14:33.47 | nevcairiel | I believe even out-of-the-box solutions like unRAID support various sizes properly |
| 14:34.01 | Gnarfoz | I should take my... "lunch" break, before I get off work, I guess |
| 14:34.03 | nevcairiel | of course a hardware NAS might not |
| 14:35.37 | Gnarfoz | later on when I want to grab more drives, I could replace the 4-in-3 modules that I already have with 5-in-3 modules like these https://www.moddiy.com/products/5%252din%252d3-Device-Module-Hard-Disk-Cage-SAS%7B47%7DSATA-Expander-Enclosure.html |
| 14:36.10 | nevcairiel | no room to breath eh |
| 14:36.21 | Gnarfoz | that's fine, it has a 120mm in front :> |
| 14:36.31 | nevcairiel | (add a dust filter) |
| 14:36.48 | Gnarfoz | first step would be to forcibly remove the power/reset/audio front panel thing at the top, though, that's the only thing stopping me from putting 4 such things in there (normally only 3 fit) |
| 14:37.09 | Gnarfoz | that page even has customer pictures of pretty much my case (or a close relative from back in the day) |
| 14:37.16 | nevcairiel | my current server setup has room for 24 drives, but I only have 16 in there right now |
| 14:37.31 | nevcairiel | I would need a second HBA to run all other 8 anyway |
| 14:37.58 | nevcairiel | got an 8port HBA and 8 port MB going right now |
| 14:38.02 | Gnarfoz | or a SAS expander? |
| 14:38.09 | nevcairiel | those cost about the same |
| 14:38.10 | Gnarfoz | oh, doesn't sound like a sas controller |
| 14:38.20 | nevcairiel | actually it is |
| 14:38.24 | nevcairiel | some cheap one |
| 14:38.28 | Gnarfoz | do they? I remember them being cheaper than an actual HBA |
| 14:38.31 | nevcairiel | the semi-good one i had was crazy |
| 14:38.39 | nevcairiel | or it broke, i'm not sure |
| 14:39.08 | nevcairiel | anyhow I have PCIe room so both options would work |
| 14:39.22 | VIad | nevcairiel convinced me to buy a M.2 |
| 14:39.28 | nevcairiel | expander eats into the available bandwidth though, not that I usually saturate it other then scrubbing or syncing |
| 14:39.49 | nevcairiel | and even then i dont know if the drives manage that |
| 14:40.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah, with that many drives, you'd probably need a pcie3 based HBA |
| 14:41.11 | Gnarfoz | moaaaar bandwidth! |
| 14:42.43 | VIad | nevcairiel I know my GPUs use 16+8=24 lanes and my CPU supports 28 lanes - so I got 4 spare and I assume it's enough but I am a nab |
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| 14:43.30 | VIad | the PCIe3 on my MB says with a 28 lane CPU like mine I can run tripple GPUs over 16/8/4 mode so I guess the M.2 counts like a 3rd GPU in a sense |
| 14:44.05 | nevcairiel | would need to check the MB manual if it supports that configuration, usually the M.2 turns off some PCIe slot when its used, so make sure its not one where you have the GPU in =p |
| 14:44.13 | VIad | yeah |
| 14:44.14 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yeah mine is 2.0 x8 only |
| 14:45.19 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series_r272x.htm .. like I said, something cheap =p |
| 14:45.36 | Gnarfoz | same, but as we recently found out, it probably runs at 2.0 x4 because derp |
| 14:45.38 | nevcairiel | although all the years i've had it now, its working perfectly fine |
| 14:45.43 | VIad | the Samsung 960 EVO I was looking at utilized x4 lanes |
| 14:46.00 | nevcairiel | x4 is the maximum m2 can run it |
| 14:46.24 | VIad | yeah |
| 14:47.52 | VIad | I can't find anything about it being a problem for me to run 2gpu and the m.2 |
| 14:49.17 | VIad | touching on this subject reminds me I need to soon upgrade my CPU :p |
| 14:50.11 | VIad | 5820k old right :< |
| 14:50.35 | nevcairiel | that reminds me that I wanted to ebay some old hardware |
| 14:50.40 | nevcairiel | anyone want to buy a titan x maxwell? |
| 14:54.37 | VIad | looking at the 5820k vs 6800k it's not that impressive difference, and still 28 lanes |
| 14:55.02 | VIad | feels like I am closing to new socket territory, I don't got money for that :( |
| 15:00.44 | VIad | reddit says my monthly bandwidth is exceeded xD |
| 15:01.54 | VIad | https://www.battleforthenet.com/ |
| 15:02.00 | VIad | is what they want to direct to |
| 15:03.37 | VIad | feels like each 5 years we'll have yet another net neutrality type legislation trying to get in and people noticing it just before it is being voted upon |
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| 15:15.08 | Simca | eh they're all different and some of them aren't the worst thing ever |
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| 15:16.27 | Industrial | Hi! I have 2 questions: |
| 15:16.43 | Industrial | Is there a BM Hunter "Best spell to use" indicator addon? |
| 15:16.48 | nevcairiel | these popups are stupid, should've at least put in geo-probing, like as a european i can send letters to american congress =p |
| 15:17.26 | Industrial | Is there an addon that can help you with picking the best thing to do to improve your character? |
| 15:17.40 | nevcairiel | there is probably TellMeWhen profiles for hunters |
| 15:17.49 | nevcairiel | although BM hunter is like the easiest spec ever anyway |
| 15:17.54 | Industrial | yea |
| 15:18.07 | VIad | BM hunter is the new RL role :p |
| 15:42.51 | VIad | totalbiscuit made a video about net neutrality, 269 downvotes, I guess I found the ISPs :D |
| 15:48.10 | Gnarfoz | probably TB haters ;p |
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| 16:07.43 | VIad | should I buy a dyson? |
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| 16:12.03 | karl_w_w | a dyson sphere? absolutely |
| 16:12.30 | VIad | this looks like my wallet can handle :p http://shop.dyson.no/stovsugere/sylinder/dc33c-origin-205740-01 |
| 16:13.37 | VIad | karl you joker |
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| 16:17.42 | karl_w_w | i can think of much better things to spend that kind of money on VIad |
| 16:17.46 | VIad | :( |
| 16:18.35 | VIad | my mom bought the cheapest thing ever and it's just horrible to go around cleaning with |
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| 20:54.53 | nebula | nevcairiel: how does LHL miss your first m+? does WCL need a precountdown entry or such? |
| 20:56.30 | nevcairiel | there is a special event line the moment the loading screen comes up |
| 20:56.45 | nevcairiel | which identifies the dungeon and level and the players in it |
| 20:56.46 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 20:57.05 | nevcairiel | which LHL doesnt log yet because it asks you first |
| 20:58.20 | nebula | yea, ok |
| 20:58.22 | nevcairiel | its more of an issue that install LHL for the first time |
| 20:58.27 | nevcairiel | +for people |
| 20:58.36 | Gnarfoz | it's an issue for 1st ever run of every M+ |
| 20:58.58 | Gnarfoz | which is why I just put all of them into my SV manually after I noticed ^^ |
| 21:02.19 | nevcairiel | let me know if you figure out the id of the new dungeon |
| 21:03.45 | Gnarfoz | should be enough to start it once on ptr? but I guess you need 5 people for that |
| 21:04.21 | nevcairiel | nah you can just start a key alone if you want to |
| 21:04.26 | nevcairiel | just need a key, but they may have a vendor again |
| 21:05.16 | nevcairiel | can probably just go in without a key, what it use, instance id? |
| 21:05.25 | Gnarfoz | instancemapid |
| 21:05.43 | nevcairiel | well it may open next week |
| 21:05.44 | Gnarfoz | have to start the run, it's different from the mythic one, for reasons |
| 21:06.06 | Gnarfoz | (at least I've blindly assumed so! :D) |
| 21:06.43 | nevcairiel | i have a debug snippet that tells me the instance id everytime i zone, i dont remember it telling me when the run starts, but i cant be sure I just ignroed it all the time |
| 21:08.15 | fewyn | i just realized i haven't paid for wow since the token came out |
| 21:39.50 | nebula | https://www.wowace.com/projects/loggerheadlite/files/2449823 there ya go nevcairiel and Gnarfoz |
| 21:40.20 | Gnarfoz | I guess that works ^^ |
| 21:40.24 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 21:47.39 | Gnarfoz | anyone want to guess which addon is breaking stuff here? https://hastebin.com/irigesiwug.lua ;D |
| 21:48.13 | Gnarfoz | what types of forbidden objets are there? friendly nameplates, chat bubbles? |
| 21:48.24 | foxlit | it's GameTooltip. |
| 21:48.40 | Gnarfoz | gametooltip is also forbidden? hm |
| 21:48.52 | foxlit | basically file a ticket against every library in those stack traces. |
| 21:48.56 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:53.32 | foxlit | and probably also against TheDanW, because forbidding access to informative methods like :GetParent() and :IsOwned() isn't useful. |
| 21:56.32 | nebula | those are deeply personal questions, you can't just demand the answer to them! |
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| 21:57.47 | nevcairiel | well they wanted to be safe and basically locked down everything but one function, its not too terrible |
| 21:58.02 | foxlit | hey, aren't you responsible for LibActionButton, nevcairiel? |
| 21:58.16 | nevcairiel | yes thats mine |
| 21:58.25 | foxlit | fix it! |
| 21:59.23 | nevcairiel | what frame could the gametooltip be bound to, so it becomes locked down? |
| 21:59.26 | nevcairiel | perhaps the shop? |
| 21:59.31 | foxlit | nameplate buffs, presumably. |
| 21:59.32 | nevcairiel | nameplates i guess |
| 21:59.52 | foxlit | it's kind of weird that it cascades through that. |
| 22:00.40 | foxlit | (or maybe not. Maybe cascading forbidden state through anchoring to forbidden things make sense.) |
| 22:01.06 | nevcairiel | one problem is that addons cant "free" the gametooltip from this state, you need something secure to free it |
| 22:01.28 | foxlit | nameplates should clearly get their own damn tooltip, but meh, can't patch framexml. |
| 22:01.30 | nebula | seems like a blizzard issue considering LibDBIcon is there, it only do tooltip stuff on it's own frames |
| 22:01.37 | nebula | does* |
| 22:01.49 | nevcairiel | the problem happens when the tooltip is previously owned by a forbidden frame |
| 22:01.56 | nevcairiel | i guess hiding the tooltip doesnt clear its owner |
| 22:02.24 | nevcairiel | i dont know the tooltip code that well |
| 22:02.40 | nevcairiel | maybe dan can do something to help with those problems |
| 22:02.53 | foxlit | nebula: plenty of blame to go around. |
| 22:03.23 | TheDanW | hrm |
| 22:04.00 | foxlit | clearly hijacking GameTooltip in this fashion is sub-optimal, but since it happens, your libraries should at least not choke on it. |
| 22:04.30 | nevcairiel | i can sprinkle all of it with isforbidden checks, but I would wager it would still actually break tooltips from working afterwards |
| 22:04.47 | TheDanW | attaching a non-forbidden frame to a forbidden frame in anyway (anchors, parent/child, etc) will also cause that non-forbidden frame to become forbidden, i need to look at the aura tooltip code to see why it seems to usually work |
| 22:04.50 | nevcairiel | unless you find some other secure default ui element to "rescue" it |
| 22:05.12 | nevcairiel | (not that this would happen to me, i dont use friendly plates) |
| 22:05.35 | TheDanW | yeah, that's probably why i haven't heard about this before |
| 22:06.10 | TheDanW | we should probably keep a separate tooltip for forbidden nameplates |
| 22:06.25 | nevcairiel | that would definitely solve it the best way |
| 22:06.46 | nevcairiel | even if it makes for inconsistent tooltips for people with tooltip addons, but what can you do |
| 22:07.06 | nevcairiel | (right now they just error, so clearly an upgrade) |
| 22:07.11 | nebula | isn't that the point though? tooltip addons wouldn't be able to touch it anyway |
| 22:08.02 | nevcairiel | the bestest way would be to allow gametooltip to be exempt from that rule, but i'm sure that would open the gate to all sorts of hackery again |
| 22:09.04 | foxlit | optimally, there should be some way to undo the forbidden state from tainted code. |
| 22:10.50 | TheDanW | isn't possible |
| 22:10.57 | foxlit | (i.e. if gametooltip is forbidden because it's anchored to something forbidden, tainted code should be able to do something to detach it from that situation) |
| 22:11.23 | TheDanW | (in the current code base) |
| 22:12.29 | TheDanW | it would require major re-architecturing |
| 22:13.01 | nevcairiel | I like a good re-architecturing project |
| 22:13.10 | nebula | should recruit Torhal |
| 22:14.20 | TheDanW | there's several UI engineer positions we just posted, you could be the person that fixes taint :) |
| 22:14.48 | nevcairiel | move the company to a more friendly country, and we can talk :d |
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| 22:17.14 | TheDanW | i don't think i have the authority for that one, sorry ;p |
| 22:18.05 | Gnarfoz | hm, is it normal that taintLog 1 results in no file when no actual taint error happens in game? |
| 22:18.22 | nevcairiel | as long as you run any addon it should output something |
| 22:18.31 | Gnarfoz | I remember it being spammier than "no file" :D |
| 22:18.37 | foxlit | still, sounds like a fun thing to do, immigration issues aside. |
| 22:18.56 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: nah, it's only on-error logging. |
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| 22:19.34 | nevcairiel | I agree, I would probably enjoy it quite a bit, or any other position on a deep engineering level. However, I wouldn't have wanted to move to the US a couple years ago, and quite definitely not now |
| 22:20.23 | nebula | but we got guns! and freedom! and ...guns! |
| 22:20.27 | foxlit | you can always /run CastSpell(1, "spell") to get a file. |
| 22:20.35 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 22:21.07 | nevcairiel | shouldnt taintlog log basic taint spread even without a blocked action |
| 22:23.51 | foxlit | no; that's precisely the difference between 1 and 2. |
| 22:30.12 | nebula | 1 only logs when you get a blocked error? |
| 22:30.29 | nebula | guess that makes sense |
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| 22:30.33 | Gnarfoz | seems that way |
| 22:30.34 | foxlit | yes |
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| 22:42.05 | Gnarfoz | what kind of buffs are shown on the "forbidden" friendly nameplates? |
| 22:42.09 | Gnarfoz | can't get anything to show |
| 22:42.28 | nevcairiel | maybe hots for healers? |
| 22:42.29 | nebula | probably the same filter as the compact unitframes |
| 22:42.35 | Gnarfoz | not hots |
| 22:42.41 | nevcairiel | maybe boss debuffs then |
| 22:42.42 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, that's what I feared |
| 22:42.46 | Gnarfoz | raid debuffs |
| 22:45.22 | nebula | filter = "HELPFUL|INCLUDE_NAME_PLATE_ONLY" so it's a mystery! |
| 22:45.54 | Gnarfoz | helpful? hm |
| 22:46.13 | Gnarfoz | doesn't show hots, so what gives? ;p |
| 22:46.20 | foxlit | 'whatever game design flags to be shown on nameplates' |
| 22:46.22 | nevcairiel | maybe cooldowns like BoP? |
| 22:46.25 | foxlit | that | isn't an or. |
| 22:46.32 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 22:46.36 | Gnarfoz | silly conventions! |
| 22:47.04 | nebula | yea, it's a bor, jeez |
| 22:48.11 | foxlit | I would've gone with "and", nebula. |
| 22:48.58 | nevcairiel | we're programmers here, when we see a | we think of a binary or |
| 22:49.00 | nevcairiel | which that is |
| 22:49.01 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:52.52 | TheDanW | in 7.3 you can set the cvar nameplateShowDebuffsOnFriendly |
| 22:55.25 | TheDanW | INCLUDE_NAME_PLATE_ONLY actually does behave like an OR |
| 22:55.57 | TheDanW | the return values from UnitAura, nameplateShowPersonal/nameplateShowAll are why they get filtered |
| 22:56.14 | nevcairiel | whats currently supposed to be shown on friendly plates then? got any examples? :) |
| 22:56.14 | VIad | sounds like we wtb some more secure templates for nameplates for instance usage, and chat bubbles for instance usage :P |
| 22:56.35 | VIad | instead of a million cvars for customization ^^ |
| 22:57.26 | VIad | don't take it the wrong way, we hugely appreciate the cvars, it's the next best thing atm :p |
| 22:57.30 | Gnarfoz | sounds like this card house made out of a mixture of old playing cards, soggy playing cards, aramaic playing cards has some... issues ;p |
| 22:58.01 | nevcairiel | thats how all software ever works |
| 22:58.02 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:58.13 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 22:58.32 | TheDanW | not sure, design would have had to have flagged those |
| 22:59.56 | VIad | my instance nameplates are so ugly :( |
| 23:00.01 | VIad | chat bubbles*** |
| 23:00.24 | nebula | should probably just uninstall |
| 23:00.35 | VIad | made myself an addon to prefix the chat bubbles with name and class of the sender, I found that very handy :p |
| 23:00.56 | VIad | also miss the /i /p chat bubbles in instances and raids |
| 23:03.11 | VIad | I'm guessing the secure templates are hard to expand upon, but it looks like they are ideal as a interface between addons and having stuff act within certain limitations |
| 23:04.31 | VIad | like how you can set attributes to define how stuff work and you can only do it out of combat, but in combat it still does its thing :p for nameplates could have some attributes to define how they appear or define what regions are for what uses, provide a formatting pattern or something like tokens, have the game then use the info to make it look how you want it to without letting data directly pass into it like raid markers and whatno |
| 23:04.31 | VIad | t |
| 23:06.53 | Gnarfoz | VIad: the /p chat bubbles are still there? there's a dropdown for that, isn't there |
| 23:07.25 | VIad | hmm, unsure if they were in raids, but works in party, cant remember now if they worked for like LFD finder |
| 23:07.41 | Gnarfoz | you just said /p, so whut :D |
| 23:08.00 | VIad | well yeah. 5 man /i I hope would act like /p :p |
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