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| 00:26.50 | Funkeh` | I wonder how you manage to end up with a global "k" |
| 00:26.50 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they somehow make it easier to track down taint :( |
| 00:26.55 | Neffi | it bothers me that they didn't also leak "v" |
| 00:27.11 | Neffi | these are not the kind of plot twists I look for in life |
| 00:27.13 | Funkeh` | they leaked I |
| 00:27.17 | Funkeh` | hooooow |
| 00:28.05 | Neffi | some folk want globals removed from Lua entirely. maybe its not such a bad idea. |
| 00:28.22 | Funkeh` | you can't fix stupid so don't try to |
| 00:28.35 | Funkeh` | you just punish the non stupid |
| 00:28.38 | Neffi | maybe its just ignorance |
| 00:28.59 | Neffi | well formed Lua code really has no use for globals |
| 00:29.10 | Mr_Rabies | is there a replacement for omnicc that maybe produces less taint nowadays? i'm thinking that's my problem |
| 00:29.31 | Funkeh` | I use the blizz cooldown fine |
| 00:29.33 | Mr_Rabies | the built in thing doesn't work on buffs and debuffs |
| 00:29.39 | Funkeh` | doesn't suit everyone |
| 00:29.40 | Mr_Rabies | just action buttons |
| 00:29.43 | Neffi | the necessity of them in situations like WoW wouldn't have happened if they hadn't existed. they might've kept require() in place and just implemented loaders |
| 00:30.00 | Funkeh` | I don't use default UF, it works on the UF I'm using |
| 00:30.06 | Mr_Rabies | i actually blacklist omnicc on the frames that blizzard touches, but leave it running on the ones it does |
| 00:30.16 | Mr_Rabies | ah, i use default UF, i haven't found any i like better |
| 00:30.27 | Mr_Rabies | they always somehow manage to display less information in more space |
| 00:30.43 | Funkeh` | afaik the blizz one chooses what it displays on by size? |
| 00:30.46 | nevcairiel | sometimes more space is better for visibility |
| 00:30.50 | Funkeh` | so maybe scale the default UF up a bit |
| 00:31.16 | Mr_Rabies | it can be, nevcairiel, but i dunno |
| 00:31.34 | Mr_Rabies | i just really like the default UF, except the round portrait |
| 00:31.47 | Funkeh` | for some reason I remember them showing on the default UF |
| 00:31.48 | Mr_Rabies | actually you know what i even like that now that i think about it lol |
| 00:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | if the taintlog shows an addon as causing taint, it's a lib of the addon that's shared at the very least, right? |
| 00:32.52 | Funkeh` | hey foxlit how about a map for sound id's similar to your texture id map |
| 00:33.10 | Mr_Rabies | like it can't just randomly be another addon's lib unless there's a leaked global or something right? |
| 00:33.25 | Funkeh` | Mr_Rabies, you can usually tell by looking at the blamed file/line |
| 00:34.04 | Mr_Rabies | 7/9 20:47:22.407 An action was blocked in combat because of taint from TheUndermineJournal - MultiBarBottomLeft:Show() |
| 00:34.18 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure TUJ doesn't touch the multibars at all |
| 00:34.41 | nevcairiel | those things just taint randomly, unless you actually use the default action bars just ignore it |
| 00:34.44 | Funkeh` | there's more to it than that |
| 00:35.10 | Mr_Rabies | i get a lot of "interface has blah blah blah too many errors whatever" |
| 00:35.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's a quote |
| 00:35.35 | Funkeh` | Id be surprised if that popup is triggered by taint and not actual errors |
| 00:35.48 | Simca | hilariously, despite how many tens of variables he taints |
| 00:36.08 | Simca | i think this problem is actually caused by his use of UIDropDownMenu |
| 00:36.37 | nevcairiel | random global variables being leaked dont really "harm" anything, unless any secure code also accesses them |
| 00:36.42 | Funkeh` | setting global vars isn't really a popular way of causing UI issues |
| 00:36.50 | Funkeh` | ^ |
| 00:37.35 | Simca | yeah i guess it also relies on blizzard to be making the same mistake |
| 00:37.35 | nevcairiel | we got them to fix many of those |
| 00:37.35 | Simca | but you never know when they will forget a 'local' in front of an 'i' again |
| 00:37.58 | Funkeh` | in most cases "i" is used as an iterator not defined as a local |
| 00:38.16 | Funkeh` | which is why I :boggle: at it being a global |
| 00:38.39 | nevcairiel | and even if they forget, if their first action is writing to it, it should clear the taint |
| 00:38.55 | nevcairiel | so you need some stateful variable thats read first |
| 00:39.23 | nevcairiel | it definitely happened in the past |
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| 00:40.26 | Mr_Rabies | i've got an addon running that i'm surprised hasn't broken horribly so far |
| 00:41.18 | Mr_Rabies | TOC is 40300 and somehow it hasn't broken as far as i know |
| 00:41.37 | nevcairiel | some areas of the UI rarely change |
| 00:41.46 | nevcairiel | my tooltip addon is still from wrath i think |
| 00:41.59 | Mr_Rabies | it makes the health bars scroll with an animation if something's below a set health % |
| 00:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Barberpole_illusion_animated.gif |
| 00:42.46 | Simca | Routes is mostly unchanged since like wrath |
| 00:42.51 | Simca | and it makes wildly complex calculations |
| 00:42.54 | Simca | and it still works |
| 00:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | sorta like this but faster, horizontal, and red/black |
| 00:43.21 | nevcairiel | math is mostly unchanged for quite some years, so thats not surprising =p |
| 00:43.26 | Mr_Rabies | it's great for knowing exactly when you hit a breakpoint for execute range |
| 00:43.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but i figured attaching stuff to the raid frames was really dangerous nowadays |
| 00:44.13 | nevcairiel | attaching visual elements doesnt break anything really if its done c arefully |
| 00:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | i just feel a bit blessed that it hasn't broken yet, lol |
| 00:45.38 | Mr_Rabies | because i'd have to con semlar into fixing it with e-voodoo |
| 00:46.19 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just so used to that visual feedback now |
| 00:48.18 | Semlar | i actually copied the candystripe design for a power bar addon i made for someone |
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| 00:57.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.12 | Thunder_Child | Stupid prime day. It's like a woot-off on steroids. |
| 01:05.52 | nevcairiel | so are you trying to say you lack self control? |
| 01:09.19 | Thunder_Child | No, I say what I mean. There are things I need to pick up, so I have to keep an eye on it if I want to potentially save some money. |
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| 01:24.08 | Mr_Rabies | nice, semlar |
| 01:24.44 | Mr_Rabies | also is cr1tikal in your guild |
| 01:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | "he does that, he uploads everything" |
| 01:25.17 | Mr_Rabies | i love that you have the exact same reputation in your guild, semlar |
| 01:25.20 | Semlar | i only uploaded this because she said that |
| 01:25.21 | Mr_Rabies | never change |
| 01:27.47 | Mr_Rabies | i was looking at the bartender page on wowhead and someone was named the same as one of my alts and it totally threw me off |
| 01:27.54 | Mr_Rabies | "felsprocket" |
| 01:27.58 | Semlar | maybe they're you |
| 01:28.13 | Semlar | and you've been posting in your sleep |
| 01:28.13 | Mr_Rabies | not the most inventive name, but i had a little doppleganger syndrome happen |
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| 01:55.26 | znf | "American Gods" is so weird |
| 01:55.31 | znf | ...lots of penises, too |
| 02:13.13 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:18.29 | Thunder_Child | Technically so did watchmen. |
| 02:18.36 | Thunder_Child | Although I guess that singular. |
| 02:18.43 | Thunder_Child | s/that/that was/ |
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| 04:44.59 | Mr_Rabies | was it though |
| 04:45.09 | Mr_Rabies | there were multiple doctor manhattans |
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| 08:58.46 | VIad | nevcairiel: people calling bs on your 500 hours on ark without any serious bugs statement :p |
| 08:59.17 | VIad | I get you, I too have played games that had like a ton of complaints about performance or what not, but never myself had those issues so I just enjoyed it and didn't even realize the huge problems others had :D |
| 09:02.03 | VIad | I see battle mode enabled ^^ |
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| 10:35.59 | nebula | the worst thing i've encountered in ark is just dinosaurs falling through the world, frustrating but not really game breaking |
| 10:42.25 | karl_w_w | isnt that game forgotten yet |
| 10:43.10 | karl_w_w | 2 year old early access survival |
| 10:43.26 | karl_w_w | oh wait I just described a few dozen games |
| 10:43.29 | nebula | it just officically launched |
| 10:43.58 | nebula | or is about it |
| 10:44.00 | karl_w_w | waow |
| 10:44.03 | karl_w_w | thats rare |
| 10:44.47 | nebula | people mad because they raised the price to 60$ |
| 10:46.19 | ls-pc | welp, should've bought it when it was in "EA" |
| 10:46.41 | nebula | pretty much |
| 10:47.08 | karl_w_w | Historical Lowest Price: $9.59 at Steam on 30/05/2017 |
| 10:47.09 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 11:50.17 | nevcairiel | yeah it was in summer sale as well i think |
| 11:50.25 | nevcairiel | people just butthurt they didnt get it |
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| 11:55.28 | foxlit | Funkeh`: hey foxlit how about a map for sound id's similar to your texture id map << probably won't work. |
| 11:55.57 | foxlit | textures get pulled from the ExportInterfaceArt list, so there's an authoritive list of names to play with. I don't think a similar list exists for sounds. |
| 11:56.55 | foxlit | (additionally, I'm not sure if soundkits are one-to-one mapped to files) |
| 11:58.55 | foxlit | someone should come up with a oldPlaySoundName -> newSountKitName map, and write a PlaySound/PlaySoundKit Deprecated wrapper that magically does the right thing. |
| 12:12.24 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.59 | nevcairiel | is as=fetch even documented anywhere, i've never seen it |
| 12:18.05 | nevcairiel | although its likely that its just not supported in browsers =p |
| 12:20.52 | foxlit | https://w3c.github.io/preload/#x2.2-link-element-extensions << right there! |
| 12:20.54 | nevcairiel | oh i found it, its in the latest draft |
| 12:21.37 | nevcairiel | i guess you added crossorigin for the fetch line |
| 12:21.57 | foxlit | it didn't seem to change things, and it's not a crossorigin request. |
| 12:22.27 | nevcairiel | mayhaps just not supported then |
| 12:25.14 | nebula | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/SoundKitConstants.lua that isn't all the names? |
| 12:25.38 | nebula | wouldn't be to hard to map the strings |
| 12:25.42 | foxlit | it changes from suggesting not including as for XHR in https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-preload-20161130/ , and console started whining about the old version. |
| 12:25.51 | foxlit | *d |
| 12:28.50 | foxlit | I guess they could've broken the old version without making the new one work properly, but who would do that? |
| 12:32.16 | foxlit | nebula: yeah, nothing is too hard. Looking up the old igMenuClosed or whatever syntax might be a little time-consuming. |
| 12:33.36 | nebula | http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_PlaySound someone jumped the gun a bit |
| 12:36.20 | nevcairiel | Speaking of sound stuff, I assume PlaySoundFile for custom sounds remains the same? |
| 12:37.08 | foxlit | seems sane. |
| 12:37.16 | nebula | probably, they just changed PlaySoundKitID into PlaySound |
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| 13:50.05 | nevcairiel | man mmoc bluetracker is dead, again. why cant they keep this thing working |
| 13:50.24 | nevcairiel | even wowhead manages and they have like no developers anymore =p |
| 13:51.09 | Semlar | look, tracking things is hard |
| 13:51.33 | Torhal | LoJacks Semlar. |
| 13:52.22 | Semlar | maybe their daemon crashed for some reason and hasn't been restarted |
| 13:52.45 | nevcairiel | it happens so often that one might think they would invest 10 minutes to setup monitoring then |
| 13:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | the blue tracker couldn't believe there were sweeping feral changes and offed itself in response |
| 13:53.07 | Thunder_Child | Or containerize it. |
| 13:53.56 | haste | just port it to erlang and it would start right up again after a crash! |
| 13:54.29 | Semlar | or it might have an actual issue accessing whatever it's pulling data from |
| 13:54.46 | Semlar | maybe someone tripped over the cat cable |
| 13:55.20 | haste | poor cat |
| 13:55.23 | haste | *ba-dum-tssch* |
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| 14:01.15 | Andols | Is that what Torhals cats are for? Replacement.. |
| 14:02.39 | Torhal | My cats only replace people. |
| 14:03.04 | Semlar | backups in case of a catastrophe |
| 14:08.29 | kullervo | I just hung a cat on my wall |
| 14:08.48 | kullervo | because I found a replacement for it |
| 14:09.00 | Semlar | harsh |
| 14:10.06 | kullervo | since the manufacturer went bankrupt, trophy mounting one of their best products only seems fitting |
| 14:10.47 | Maldivia | you have a truck hanging on your wall? |
| 14:11.19 | kullervo | a mad cat |
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| 16:32.23 | karl_w_w | https://i.imgur.com/x6WzF07.mp4 |
| 16:32.23 | karl_w_w | I never knew fruit ninja was based on a true story |
| 16:33.36 | Thunder_Child | pfft, he is not using his finger to cut them. |
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| 16:55.13 | Thunder_Child | Huh. CAH has a 69" long box for $100. |
| 16:59.43 | kullervo | just a box |
| 17:01.09 | Thunder_Child | Is that a question or a statement? |
| 17:05.58 | kullervo | yes |
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| 19:10.28 | Thunder_Child | https://smile.amazon.com/Chambong-Glassware-rapid-Champagne-consumption/dp/B00XV5VXSO >.< |
| 19:19.16 | foxlit | "with a UK two pin plug" weasels. |
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| 19:43.41 | Funkeh` | a what |
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| 20:17.24 | Gnarfoz | a Europlug |
| 20:44.00 | nevcairiel | UK two pin plugs are not europlugs |
| 20:44.07 | nevcairiel | which makes it so hilarious |
| 20:44.48 | Gnarfoz | it just makes foxlit's comment wrong? |
| 20:44.55 | nevcairiel | how so |
| 20:46.00 | nevcairiel | (the reason for this being that UK requires the plugs to have fuses) |
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| 20:54.09 | Gnarfoz | "weasels" reads like he meant they were too chicken to write europlug because brexit |
| 20:54.28 | Gnarfoz | but then, it's about as cryptic a comment as I'm used to from him :p |
| 20:55.40 | nevcairiel | maybe he is just unhappy to get a plug that doesnt work in europe |
| 20:55.40 | Gnarfoz | possible \o/ |
| 20:56.19 | nevcairiel | although i'm not sure if those fit into europlugs, europlugs dont fit into theirs though |
| 20:56.20 | nevcairiel | because theirs are flat |
| 20:56.20 | nevcairiel | not round |
| 20:56.20 | nevcairiel | (the pins) |
| 20:57.10 | nevcairiel | speaking of various plugs, i've been cleaning up my tech-junk drawer, and I have a bunch of small power bricks and a bunch of devices, and figuring out which go together is really annoying |
| 20:57.23 | nevcairiel | i should mark them or something |
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| 21:05.21 | Gnarfoz | or throw them all out |
| 21:05.28 | Gnarfoz | or melt them down! |
| 21:05.34 | nevcairiel | i kinda need some of those devices still |
| 21:05.40 | nevcairiel | already throwing some away |
| 21:05.54 | Gnarfoz | just use... that wireless power thing that's unlikely to actually work |
| 21:25.22 | Andols | http://i.imgur.com/JUC7xlV.gifv |
| 21:25.26 | Andols | Working as intended |
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| 21:52.07 | nevcairiel | it kind of made sliced bread |
| 21:52.48 | Thunder_Child | Not 'kind of'. It is sliced. |
| 22:01.55 | VIad | there are indeed some slices here and there |
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| 23:02.22 | Kraps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lVio-6Wv54 |
| 23:02.29 | Kraps | hella cringe |
