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| 00:06.28 | Thunder_Child | We know foxlit is crazy, I don't think people were talking about him. |
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| 09:17.41 | Industrial | "fox" |
| 09:17.42 | Industrial | "lit" |
| 09:18.05 | Industrial | http://i.imgur.com/dVFuAJG.jpg |
| 09:20.00 | Industrial | has so much fun by himself that he can't stop laughing >_> |
| 09:23.03 | nevcairiel | maybe not only the fox is lit |
| 09:33.04 | karl_w_w | foxlit is way ahead of the meme meta |
| 09:33.38 | karl_w_w | he's the one who told the fox what to say |
| 09:45.44 | Kalroth | what did the fo .. oh hell no |
| 09:49.21 | Resike | TheDanW is there any plans to create a protected dropdown template for protected frames |
| 09:50.03 | Resike | which would potentionally stop tainting the dropdown functions by adds when using unitframe dropdowns or battleground queue dropdowns |
| 09:50.45 | nevcairiel | if you dont want to taint the unit frame dropdown, dont modify it? =p |
| 09:51.03 | Resike | thats not the problem |
| 09:51.16 | Resike | by using the dropdown template you taint the dropdown functions |
| 09:51.28 | Resike | then blizzard using the same template for those frames |
| 09:51.35 | nevcairiel | you can use it mostly without taint if you do it right |
| 09:51.41 | Resike | not really |
| 09:52.23 | nevcairiel | i use it without breaking secure dropdowns, so there is that |
| 09:52.31 | Resike | i highly douth it |
| 09:52.39 | Resike | just you dont notice it |
| 09:52.46 | Resike | or it gets blamed on other addons |
| 09:53.22 | AcidWeb | I think that taint that block BG queuing is currently most common one. |
| 09:53.29 | Resike | if you create a dropdown by the template and you click on that dropdown twice then try queueing for any bg |
| 09:53.33 | Resike | you get a block |
| 09:54.19 | Resike | sometimes you only get a block when you try to leave the queue |
| 09:54.45 | Resike | but once it happens it completely brokes any other secure dropdown |
| 09:55.18 | nebula169 | init is really the only place that causes taint now, it's all delegates now |
| 09:55.43 | Resike | yup |
| 09:56.00 | nebula169 | the ui uses seperate vars where there is an issue |
| 09:56.16 | nebula169 | if you set your init func on .initialize you don't get taint |
| 09:56.27 | nevcairiel | you can basically use the dropdown the wrong way and it breaks things, or the right way and it works |
| 09:57.03 | nevcairiel | like nebula169 said, dont call the initialize function |
| 09:57.06 | nevcairiel | but use the callback |
| 09:57.28 | Resike | i can break it with no init |
| 09:57.35 | nebula169 | i'd like to see how |
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| 10:02.59 | karl_w_w | this is awesome https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/ |
| 10:29.07 | Resike | here is it: https://pastebin.com/Snr73LDt |
| 10:29.17 | Resike | try to click on it then queue for a bg |
| 10:30.59 | nevcairiel | that seems like a gross misuse of the API, try to wrap the adding of elements into a .initiailize callback function and see it work |
| 10:32.41 | nevcairiel | calling UIDropDownMenu_AddButton without a clear context of the dropdown seems broken |
| 10:35.18 | nebula169 | indeed, wrap that in a .initialize function and you have no problems |
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| 10:48.48 | nebula169 | should have realized that what you meant when you said "with no init", all the menu logic should be in the init |
| 10:50.36 | Resike | intresting |
| 10:50.48 | Resike | since my older dropdown was build with the wrapped way |
| 10:50.52 | Resike | still got tainted |
| 10:51.04 | Resike | but that was a longer time ago |
| 10:52.04 | Resike | btw blizz builds their dropdown the same way i linked |
| 10:52.32 | nebula169 | how old? :p at some point blizz wrapped a lot of the creation/update stuff in uidropdownmenu and staticpopup in attribute delegates which prevents most taint |
| 10:52.39 | Resike | im not sure |
| 10:52.44 | Resike | could have been in pandaland |
| 10:52.52 | Resike | than i got fed up with the shit |
| 10:52.58 | Resike | and i never touched the default templates |
| 10:53.46 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard can build however they like, their code doesn't taint :P |
| 10:54.01 | Gnarfoz | (which kind of makes them terrible as code examples) |
| 10:54.14 | Resike | of course |
| 10:54.59 | nebula169 | all of the dropdown stuff i've noticed in framexml is they have all the menu creation stuff in a function then they call UIDropDownMenu_Initialize(drop, func) |
| 10:55.43 | nebula169 | if you use UIDropDownMenu_Initialize you taint the shit out of everything |
| 10:55.47 | Resike | yes but that just points to another global function |
| 10:58.43 | Shockah|Work | ...i thought the Flight Master's Whistle taking you inside Cathedral of Eternal Night would already be fixed, but apparently not |
| 10:59.28 | Resike | if you use UIDropDownMenu_Initialize(drop, drop.init) it seems to be woring |
| 10:59.37 | nebula169 | yea, maybe that doesn't even cause problems anymore |
| 11:00.48 | Resike | however it doesnt work |
| 11:00.54 | Resike | if drop is a global |
| 11:01.07 | Resike | so the problem lies in the variable scopes |
| 11:02.22 | Resike | or maybe not sometimes work sometimes dont |
| 11:02.29 | Resike | pretty sure it still taints shit |
| 11:02.40 | Resike | the question how fast it spreads to protected stuff |
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| 11:25.09 | foxlit | Thr fun thing about the dropdown code is that prety much everyone proposing changes to it seems to have no working model of what's wrong with the current implementation. |
| 11:27.12 | kullervo | this seems to apply to most things that people want to change |
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| 11:36.25 | foxlit | terrible engineering, that. |
| 11:37.09 | Resike | well its based on global names and its reusing stuff from every dropdown |
| 11:37.18 | Resike | thats bad enough by its own |
| 11:38.00 | foxlit | why? |
| 11:38.02 | nebula169 | why? |
| 11:38.20 | nebula169 | lol, it's not like you have more than one dropdown open ever |
| 11:38.51 | nevcairiel | global names arent inherently terrible, it may seem a bit unclean and they have been moving away from that as well in newer code, but its not like its the cause for problems by itself |
| 11:39.26 | nevcairiel | re-use makes the code prone to taint, however thats an implementation problem, its not like you couldnt make safe reusable frames |
| 11:39.48 | Resike | yes you could |
| 11:40.37 | Resike | but if you open UIDropDownMenu.lua then you want to throw up |
| 11:41.04 | foxlit | why? |
| 11:41.24 | nevcairiel | the stateful API design makes one feel a bit bad |
| 11:41.34 | nevcairiel | or rather, global state API |
| 11:41.43 | Resike | yes |
| 11:42.00 | Resike | they could probably rewrite it nicely with the new mixins |
| 11:42.05 | foxlit | meh, its a global interaction model. it makes sense |
| 11:42.21 | foxlit | On the other hand, every bloody mixin is a headache. |
| 11:42.31 | Resike | and if you think about it it gets used in protected frames its even worse |
| 11:43.20 | Resike | thats true but its a lot better then the swarm of the globals |
| 11:43.46 | foxlit | there is nothing wrong with a swarm of globals. |
| 11:43.58 | nevcairiel | unless it attacks you |
| 11:44.24 | Resike | except you have no clue what global belongs to what |
| 11:44.44 | foxlit | ? |
| 11:45.07 | foxlit | surely the prefixes tell you enough. |
| 11:45.24 | Resike | ToggleDropDownMenu |
| 11:45.27 | Resike | HideDropDownMenu |
| 11:45.34 | Resike | where is the prefix in these |
| 11:45.50 | nevcairiel | why would it need a prefix, its pretty clear what they do |
| 11:46.10 | foxlit | in the suffix. are you confused and unable to figure out what those do? |
| 11:47.30 | Resike | well i would prefer one global and mixin functinons inside that |
| 11:48.09 | foxlit | why? |
| 11:49.01 | Resike | to make more sense |
| 11:49.24 | Resike | you could rewrite the whole dropdown system with templates in 300 lines |
| 11:49.33 | foxlit | moving to eg M_DropDowns.Hide() would fix nothing and cost everyone extra table lookups. |
| 11:50.28 | Resike | oh because the HideDropDownMenu doesnt lookup hundreds of global tables |
| 11:56.00 | foxlit | its the "fix nothing" part that is important. Performance on this level is irrelevant; whatever this function does in the tabled variant, it could just as easily do as a global. |
| 11:56.43 | Resike | and it probably taints shit just because its a global |
| 11:56.57 | nebula169 | taint itself really isn't a problem |
| 11:57.21 | foxlit | it's abundantly clear that you have no idea how taint plays into this. |
| 12:00.51 | Resike | do you? |
| 12:00.59 | Resike | im pretty sure its by reusing globals |
| 12:01.30 | Resike | but i could be wrong ofc |
| 12:02.29 | Resike | if you populate your dropdown in a different globals |
| 12:02.35 | Resike | then the taints is gone: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22630-NoTaintUIDropDownMenu.html |
| 12:03.40 | ls-pc | eats popcorn while reading the discussion |
| 12:04.25 | Resike | also if performance is irrelevant whats he point of reusing |
| 12:04.25 | foxlit | offtopic: wowi ads just redirected to data: to app store. |
| 12:04.55 | Resike | whats the point of initing dropdowns onload instead of only populating it when you actually open the dropdown |
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| 12:05.29 | nebula169 | eh? init is run when you open it |
| 12:05.46 | foxlit | I should qualify: runtime performance in response to user interaction does not mattet |
| 12:06.48 | foxlit | having each dropdown use its own personal pool of widgets would be a non trivial memory cowt |
| 12:08.23 | foxlit | Broadly, the thing needs shared state to exist somewhere in order for current functionality to work (things like only having a single context menu open at a time), and menu data created on demand rather than always existing |
| 12:08.59 | foxlit | Whether that shared state is in a global, a table, or a local variable does not matter. |
| 12:13.20 | foxlit | ntuidd sidesteps the entire uidd api, and so might work for simple addons thag never touch any part of framexml which uses a real dropdown. |
| 12:14.52 | foxlit | (on a side note, that addon bundles LibStub and xml templates in an embeddable lib providing global functions. Whatever they are smoking must surely be good) |
| 12:15.12 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:16.13 | nevcairiel | it also registers a LibStub library, but it doesnt seem to put anything into it |
| 12:17.10 | foxlit | In conclusion, it would be nice if someone identified the exact minimal change required to make the current uidd not spill taint, as it already makes considerable efforts to avoid it. |
| 12:17.40 | nevcairiel | as mentioned earlier, its not even that bad if you use it right |
| 12:17.53 | nevcairiel | just .. addons. things happen |
| 12:18.25 | foxlit | There are a few non obviousv things that buy you slight reprieves |
| 12:19.41 | foxlit | (my opinion is that the change would be minor and probably easier to sell than a complete rewrite of a widely used component) |
| 12:19.53 | Resike | the problem is not using the dropdown right invidually |
| 12:20.03 | Resike | but the other hundreds of addons that don't |
| 12:20.26 | Resike | looks at omnicc |
| 12:20.36 | Resike | blames taint on everything else |
| 12:21.57 | Resike | while removing bg queues and "that new shiny map button" from the default templates would instantly solve the issue |
| 12:22.00 | Gnarfoz | it's not like addons have a say over what the UI atributes taint to |
| 12:22.37 | nebula169 | omnicc is a trainwreck, it's really too bad it's so popular |
| 12:23.00 | Gnarfoz | you know what to do |
| 12:23.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 12:23.19 | Gnarfoz | (also it's done me no wrong so far :shrug:) |
| 12:24.06 | foxlit | realistically, patching uidd to not screw up on secure open because the last menu was tainted is easier. |
| 12:24.32 | nevcairiel | i once thought about making a lean CC addon, but its annoying work |
| 12:33.05 | Resike | I updated my dev package to highlight globals with SublimeLinter: https://github.com/Resike/WoWDevelopment |
| 12:33.19 | Resike | if you want to hunt for globals in your code check it out |
| 12:35.43 | foxlit | or just grab your release zip and drop it on https://townlong-yak.com/globe/ ;) |
| 12:36.27 | Resike | but i guess thats not realtime :P |
| 12:40.15 | foxlit | I think that's actually a benefit :P |
| 12:40.32 | Resike | or you just wanna steal mah code |
| 12:41.44 | nevcairiel | be asured, thats not on anyones mind |
| 12:42.04 | nebula169 | heh |
| 12:42.35 | Resike | lulp |
| 12:44.03 | Resike | anyway this is how it looks like: http://imgur.com/a/OwVIg |
| 12:44.25 | Resike | you can iterate over globals and errors |
| 12:50.59 | Gnarfoz | there are also these for Atom https://atom.io/users/nebularg |
| 12:54.02 | nebula169 | i should probably update the wow syntax highlighting |
| 12:54.22 | nebula169 | foxlit should add framexml api function to helix, too /nod/nod |
| 12:58.21 | Resike | atom looks good |
| 12:58.31 | Resike | but i still find it slow |
| 12:58.34 | nebula169 | yea |
| 12:58.41 | Resike | same github slow |
| 12:59.15 | Resike | other than that it has potential |
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| 12:59.46 | nebula169 | vscode is pretty good |
| 13:02.06 | Resike | but is it better the sublime? |
| 13:02.13 | Resike | i found MS ides a bit slow too |
| 13:04.04 | foxlit | quick poll: did you buy a license for your text editor? |
| 13:04.09 | nebula169 | pretty hard to be the performance of sublime, but everything else is better, imo |
| 13:04.18 | nebula169 | beat* even |
| 13:04.23 | Gnarfoz | I did once, then switched to a free one |
| 13:04.27 | Gnarfoz | @foxlit |
| 13:06.36 | Stanzilla | vscode > atom > sublime |
| 13:06.47 | Resike | i dont see what extra could it give specially in lua |
| 13:08.37 | foxlit | having an actual language model instead of a bunch of regexes would be good |
| 13:08.50 | nebula169 | i mean, sublime doesn't offer much extra over np++ either |
| 13:09.10 | nebula169 | editors are usually just personal preference |
| 13:09.18 | Resike | except a loads of more plugins |
| 13:09.20 | Stanzilla | https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/wiki/Developing-WeakAuras |
| 13:09.24 | foxlit | things like "let me just refactor the name of this variable" |
| 13:10.12 | nebula169 | what plugins do you really need? syntax highlighting â linting via nppexec â |
| 13:11.25 | nebula169 | does sylvanaar's intellij plugin do that? i vaguely remember refactoring being a thing |
| 13:13.21 | foxlit | dunno. |
| 13:15.30 | Stanzilla | vscode does that |
| 13:15.37 | Stanzilla | has a "change all occurences" option |
| 13:18.19 | nebula169 | https://puu.sh/wpnJI/eb6f29b099.webm yea, that's not dangerous at all |
| 13:18.52 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 13:19.00 | Stanzilla | that looks just like a multiple cursor shortcut |
| 13:19.50 | Stanzilla | ah it uses the language server to find the results and lua just doesnt have one so it falls back |
| 13:19.51 | Stanzilla | rip |
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| 13:35.02 | AcidWeb | FYI that UnitPositionFrame problem with blinking of pins after calling ClearUnits() is a WoW bug. |
| 13:35.40 | AcidWeb | Currently you need to call it from UnitPositionFrame OnUpdate to work correctly. |
| 13:35.46 | AcidWeb | It will be fixed in next patch. |
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| 13:39.20 | Stanzilla | next minor or patch patch? |
| 13:39.40 | nebula169 | assume patch patch |
| 13:39.54 | AcidWeb | ^ |
| 13:48.37 | VIad | Stanzilla: the AIO addon "enforce settings" are there any ways to whitelist certain addons? |
| 13:48.52 | VIad | like let's say one cvar is some weakaura plugin or something that toggles cvar on/off :p |
| 13:58.19 | VIad | nevcairiel: chat bubbles seem forbidden in garrison ;d |
| 13:58.45 | VIad | I used UnitPosition to detect if nameplates/chatbubbles were forbidden but apparently I can't do that trick for chat bubbles |
| 13:58.51 | Shockah|Work | VIad, so are custom friendly nameplates |
| 13:59.07 | VIad | ye |
| 14:07.15 | VIad | Shockah|Work: seems if GetInstanceInfo() arg2 is anything else but "none" nameplates/chatbubbles are locked down |
| 14:07.43 | VIad | though there are exceptions like, UnitPosition works in the garrison (it didn't when the change first happened :D so this was hotfixed) |
| 14:10.54 | Gnarfoz | garrisons are instances, how is this news ^^ |
| 14:11.14 | Gnarfoz | that was a major contributing factor to the WoD launch desaster |
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| 14:19.18 | Resike | is "UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_INTERRUPTED" got removed? |
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| 14:55.00 | foxlit | no, because it never existed in the first place? |
| 15:00.34 | VIad | Gnarfoz: they made UnitPosition return pos data, albeit instance :D |
| 15:11.03 | karl_w_w | farkkkk |
| 15:11.39 | karl_w_w | last episode of rokudenashi, everything's hype, pivotal moment, file is corrupt! |
| 15:11.44 | karl_w_w | horriblesubs why |
| 15:14.03 | foxlit | does CR not license it for you? |
| 15:17.23 | karl_w_w | not in australia that's for sure |
| 15:18.11 | foxlit | "worldwide ex Asia." |
| 15:19.21 | karl_w_w | they don;t have it |
| 15:19.40 | karl_w_w | or if they do they're simply hiding it cos it's region locked |
| 15:19.45 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.40 | karl_w_w | dunno |
| 15:21.01 | karl_w_w | i cant stream anyway on my connection |
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| 15:44.09 | nebula169 | where does it say region info? |
| 15:44.24 | nebula169 | or did you just look that up elsewhere |
| 15:55.00 | karl_w_w | it doesnt |
| 15:55.17 | VIad | http://store.steampowered.com/app/271590/Grand_Theft_Auto_V/ |
| 15:55.25 | VIad | gta is now "mixed" not overwhelmingly positive :D |
| 15:55.35 | VIad | 66% down from like 90% :D |
| 15:55.54 | nebula169 | that's what they get for decided to go after the modding community |
| 15:55.59 | nebula169 | deciding* |
| 15:56.10 | Funkeh` | please |
| 15:56.25 | nebula169 | internet crusaders unite! |
| 15:56.26 | VIad | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hLmM6pK0wg |
| 15:56.28 | Funkeh` | the majority of negative comments have been happening for months, due to cheaters and unexplained bans |
| 15:56.38 | VIad | no this is about modding |
| 15:56.49 | Funkeh` | read more than the first page of comments |
| 15:56.56 | nebula169 | pretty sure it when overwhelming negative when take two sent a c&d to openiv |
| 15:57.01 | nebula169 | went* |
| 15:57.04 | VIad | this hasnt reduced amount of cheaters online |
| 15:57.06 | Funkeh` | nope |
| 15:57.09 | nebula169 | jesus typing is hard |
| 15:57.12 | Funkeh` | it's been negative for a while |
| 15:57.34 | VIad | it started with the modding C&D from take 2 |
| 15:57.54 | Funkeh` | that was what, a few days ago |
| 15:57.56 | VIad | the recent rush of negative reviews |
| 15:57.59 | VIad | yeah |
| 15:58.07 | Funkeh` | hence this isn't the reason |
| 15:58.12 | VIad | 45k of negative reviews since a few days ago |
| 15:58.23 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 15:58.32 | VIad | the total of reviews is now 230k |
| 15:58.33 | Funkeh` | where are you seeing 45k in a few days? |
| 15:58.40 | VIad | it says recent |
| 15:58.45 | Funkeh` | precisely |
| 15:58.46 | VIad | last 30 days |
| 15:58.49 | Funkeh` | precisely |
| 15:59.16 | Funkeh` | I know the gaming websites love some clickbait hype |
| 15:59.31 | Funkeh` | but if you read the comments for yourself, you'll see the majority is not due to modding |
| 15:59.47 | Funkeh` | the majority of people don't play the game for modding anyway, that should be common sense |
| 16:00.40 | Funkeh` | lots of people talking about having their characters reset to level 1, unfair bans, etc |
| 16:00.56 | Funkeh` | it's a combination of quite a few factors |
| 16:01.09 | VIad | the recent reviews mostly talk about the modding bit when I sorted on recent :p |
| 16:01.36 | nebula169 | Funkeh`: http://i.imgur.com/ToqI1RK.jpg |
| 16:02.03 | VIad | you can't deny the fact that the openIV lawsuit threat did cause a rush of negative reviews of people voicing their opinion - also openIV is a singleplayer mod tool that doesn't work on the multiplayer client |
| 16:02.33 | VIad | so take 2 specifically targeted the singleplayer modders, this wont reduce amount of cheaters online |
| 16:03.43 | Funkeh` | Im not denying that it has caused an avalanche of negative reviews |
| 16:04.04 | Funkeh` | I've had at least 3 steam friends post negative reviews for things unrelated to modding |
| 16:04.13 | Funkeh` | it seems to be the hype train to bash it right now |
| 16:04.51 | VIad | I'd argue its just, since gta has a history of modding |
| 16:04.54 | VIad | like oblivion |
| 16:05.44 | foxlit | nebula169: elsewhere; their announcement posts typically contain the regions |
| 16:06.00 | nebula | ah |
| 16:07.23 | VIad | remember when skyrim was gonna get paid mods on steam? :p |
| 16:07.32 | VIad | oh boy the backlash and uproar, did make valve reconsider |
| 16:07.52 | VIad | gta5 isnt as large as skyrim modding is but still large enough to make a dent on the news |
| 16:08.03 | nebula | Funkeh`: i was just showing you the 45k in a few days :p |
| 16:08.09 | Funkeh` | yes, because imagine allowing an optional way for creators to monetize their work |
| 16:08.12 | VIad | wonder what the outcome will be, if take 2 will backtrack or keep with their plan |
| 16:08.22 | VIad | it was just a poorly though out system |
| 16:08.32 | VIad | that didnt work in reality |
| 16:08.38 | VIad | stuff valve didnt consder |
| 16:08.40 | VIad | consider* |
| 16:09.01 | VIad | idea good on paper type thing |
| 16:09.41 | Funkeh` | the steam workshop could have easily had an optional way for creators to charge |
| 16:09.44 | nebula | i mean, it's really whatever, people will get mad, people will move on |
| 16:09.58 | Funkeh` | instead they had to add retarded things like "stamps" in tf2 just to pay the creators of the maps |
| 16:11.02 | VIad | in practice people stole mods and added them on the steam page from nexus for money *:p |
| 16:11.11 | Funkeh` | ofc it worked out in their favour, can you imagine CSGO where you could pay the creator for any skin you wanted, instead of randomized keys/boxes? |
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| 16:15.10 | VIad | valve did a good job moving modding to a controlled framework that also guarantees only one way to get and use the mods in CSGO/dota2 |
| 16:15.32 | VIad | skyrim sadly doesnt have this framework opening a lot of cans of worms like mod stealing, re-packaging and so on :p |
| 16:15.47 | VIad | at least how valve imagined the paid skyrim mods to work |
| 16:24.50 | Resike | i wonder if we get a wow2 (or any other new mmo from blizz) will it have addon support or not |
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| 16:25.25 | nevcairiel | a wow2 will never happen |
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| 16:25.52 | Resike | you cant know for sure |
| 16:26.02 | nevcairiel | too much baggage and the story is totally used up |
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| 16:26.52 | nevcairiel | more likely to use another universe or even a new one, if they wanted to do a new mmo |
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| 16:36.46 | Thunder_Child | Until blizz looks at Destiny 2 and says "You guys are doing a real cockup. We are taking over." |
| 16:39.20 | Stanzilla | they already hired blizz devs as advisors for the destiny 1 expansion and that turned the game from utter trash to a great one |
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| 17:06.40 | TheDanW | Resike: it's on the very long list |
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| 17:46.46 | Resike | TheDanW what do you mean? |
| 17:48.18 | TheDanW | Resike: regarding dropdown taint issues |
| 17:48.37 | Resike | oh okay |
| 17:48.55 | Resike | but why don't you guys just push the whole interface code to dropdown |
| 17:49.07 | Resike | where the community could make at least some changes to it |
| 17:49.20 | Resike | then you review the changes and apply the useful ones |
| 17:49.33 | Resike | it works for a lot of open source projects |
| 17:49.45 | Resike | *github not dropdown |
| 17:49.51 | Gnarfoz | too much work for too little benefit |
| 17:49.55 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 17:50.12 | Gnarfoz | they need it to work for their UI first and foremost |
| 17:50.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure you know this :p |
| 17:51.16 | TheDanW | essentially that, we have limited resources, code reviews and integration aren't free |
| 17:52.54 | Resike | well the current method is not really better where you lister to devs here and make reports based on that |
| 17:56.01 | Resike | btw there is a leakin global var called "status" with a value of 0 i'm not sure where is it from tho |
| 17:56.30 | Gnarfoz | I hear foxlit has a tool that can tell you |
| 17:56.50 | Resike | not if it's from the C code |
| 17:56.58 | Gnarfoz | you'd be surprised |
| 17:57.04 | Gnarfoz | (but no, I don't think so) |
| 17:57.16 | Resike | we have to ask TOM_RUS for that |
| 17:57.47 | Resike | prolly has a game disassebled from line to line |
| 17:58.12 | Gnarfoz | if he's not busy being angry at Blizzard for Reason of the Week, perhaps ;-) |
| 17:58.46 | Resike | well most of the changes in the last 2 expanison didn't made authors life easy |
| 17:59.27 | Gnarfoz | pfff |
| 18:00.13 | Gnarfoz | (I've only seen him rant about the game, not addons) |
| 18:01.03 | [TOM_RUS] | because game is shit. |
| 18:01.26 | Resike | ahaha |
| 18:01.57 | Resike | well i don't like the fact either that they made the game an endless farm like diablo |
| 18:02.49 | [TOM_RUS] | thanks to blizzard's efforts I don't even have guild to raid with anymore |
| 18:03.58 | nebula | sounds more like you need more friends |
| 18:04.23 | Resike | TheDanW found the leak for the status: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/MainMenuBarMicroButtons.xml#474 |
| 18:04.51 | nebula | there are a bunch of random global leaks |
| 18:04.59 | Resike | not really |
| 18:05.06 | nebula | yes really |
| 18:05.10 | Resike | i recently dumped whe whole table |
| 18:05.20 | Resike | that was the only one that was a weirdo |
| 18:05.53 | Resike | that didn't looked like a proper global |
| 18:08.11 | nebula | http://i.imgur.com/Skq8347.jpg obviously a few are functions, but yea, random |
| 18:08.53 | Gnarfoz | WSL, my man |
| 18:08.54 | nebula | and that was limited to all lowercase |
| 18:08.56 | Gnarfoz | nice |
| 18:09.32 | Gnarfoz | wtb persistent ssh-agent or some way to access putty agent from WSL :\ |
| 18:10.58 | Resike | there are probably tables or strings |
| 18:11.13 | Resike | i didn't checked for those |
| 18:11.28 | nebula | what? they're globals who cares what they represent |
| 18:11.45 | Resike | im just saying thats why i didnt found these |
| 18:27.24 | Thunder_Child | "The Australian Eastern Abyss is a treasure trove of strange, often penis-shaped animals" Well, that sounds about right. |
| 18:28.36 | nebula | does that include the penis starfish? http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Nature/Underwater/Invertebrates/SeaStars/GranulatedSeaStar07.jpg |
| 18:29.14 | nebula | https://imgur.com/gallery/skNko there's the one i was thinking of |
| 18:29.56 | Thunder_Child | http://www.popsci.com/australian-eastern-abyss-penis-worm |
| 18:31.01 | nebula | the deep sea is a place it'd rather not visit |
| 18:31.05 | nebula | too much fucked up shit down there |
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| 19:02.36 | Gnarfoz | Guess why abyssal maw was scrapped |
| 19:04.23 | nebula | not enough penis? |
| 19:05.19 | Thunder_Child | Too much penis? |
| 19:11.17 | Semlar | am i in the wrong chat |
| 19:11.57 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn for free again |
| 19:18.18 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: Depends, do you have just the right amount of penis? |
| 19:18.20 | Semlar | that's what they tell me |
| 19:18.43 | Thunder_Child | Then I'm still not sure. |
| 19:38.16 | foxlit | ... chromie is just staring at this book case :/ |
| 19:38.50 | Alram | its a sign |
| 19:40.03 | Semlar | she's looking for a book |
| 19:42.33 | foxlit | no amount of running back and forth would get her to open it, so this death is entirely on her. |
| 19:43.23 | nevcairiel | in my experience, winning while doing stratholme normally without key is really hard either way |
| 19:44.21 | foxlit | nah, this would've been fine. 7 minutes of stolen time at that bookcase. |
| 19:46.58 | nevcairiel | i got the strat key from the first quest in strat this morning, was my last portal too, so that was nice |
| 19:47.01 | nevcairiel | not sure if i would've made it |
| 20:08.13 | Ssateneth | Anyone know what happened with double artifact traits from relics? thought it was coming with ToS raid |
| 20:12.33 | foxlit | I thought that was a scrapped class hall upgrade |
| 20:13.35 | zenzelezz | Terms of Service raid? |
| 20:14.35 | Thunder_Child | That expansion was funded by the US justice system. |
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| 20:33.16 | Simca_ | it was scrapped, they realized it just made traits more frustrating |
| 20:36.01 | nevcairiel | yeah it was meant to come with 7.2 on all relics, but they got rid of it entirely |
| 20:36.29 | [TOM_RUS] | sure RNG bonus AP on use is more fun (not) |
| 20:38.20 | nevcairiel | people find ways to complain about free things, its amazing |
| 20:40.17 | Corrodias | yeah, i've been handing out free boots to the head for years, and no one has complained |
| 20:40.26 | [TOM_RUS] | sure thousands order hall resources you paid for reseach are "free" (not) |
| 20:43.26 | nevcairiel | some people should probably stop playing if they get annoyed about the simplest things |
| 20:44.54 | VIad | there are people thinking garrisons, order halls, are just phases, but it's more than that! :D |
| 20:45.05 | bshelden | Some people dervice a perverse enjoyment from doing things they hate and complaining about it. |
| 20:45.18 | bshelden | derive* |
| 20:45.30 | VIad | same when you go down the sewer in dala, to alleviate load on one server they instance stuff :) |
| 20:46.00 | [TOM_RUS] | you don't feel rewarded for things you have to pay for first |
| 20:46.56 | VIad | the IRL money I spend makes me feel rewarded :p |
| 20:47.34 | nevcairiel | its the same thing though - you spend time doing $stuff and get a reward, and you feel good. you spend time doing $stuff, get a currency, and buy the reward, and suddenly you feel bad? people, they cannot be helped |
| 20:48.10 | nevcairiel | when I get my monthly pay check, its not really the money that makes me happy, but the idea of what I can buy with that |
| 20:48.11 | [TOM_RUS] | like those reputation reward nonsense where you have to grind rep first to access reward and then pay on top of that to actually get it, ruins feeling of reward completely |
| 20:48.25 | VIad | only thing I would complain about is if the ingame vs IRL work I put in, if its too skewed :P |
| 20:49.17 | VIad | oh god this is so good... like some fresh juice bottle, costs a lot but it tastes like fresh fruit :p |
| 20:49.31 | VIad | very chunky to drink... |
| 20:56.46 | VIad | sorry for the off topic, but the other topic was of seacritters that look like genitalia |
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| 21:27.42 | _Kee | @WarcraftDevs +10/+15 messages are so mess I am completelly confused right now. Beside deleted tweets with clearly wrong informations, what means "Next week"? Next week for EU, next week for US, or next week since Mythic opens? Anybody knows the answer? |
| 21:28.16 | nevcairiel | m+ loot increases when mythic opens, ie. next actual f'ing week |
| 21:28.23 | nevcairiel | weeks are not different in different regions =p |
| 21:28.41 | Ssateneth | Can anyone get an info about ToS vantus rune recipe; where it comes from? |
| 21:28.54 | Ssateneth | And any idea what happened with 5 man dungeon vantus runes? |
| 21:29.33 | _Kee | so I need to make +10 this week, but +15 next (heroic) week, to get maximum loot at mythic week? |
| 21:30.18 | nevcairiel | if you are in EU you only need a 10 today, to get max loot tomorrow |
| 21:30.32 | _Kee | thank you, nevcairiel :) |
| 21:30.35 | nevcairiel | if you're in US, its too l ate anyway |
| 21:30.36 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 21:31.27 | nevcairiel | also, new 15 is kinda hard if you're not in NH Mythic loot or get a crap ton of ToS Heroic loot tomorrow :) |
| 21:33.48 | VIad | weeks can start on different days :p |
| 21:34.03 | nevcairiel | perhaps, but not on tuesdays |
| 21:34.03 | VIad | in norway its first monday rule after new years |
| 21:34.15 | nevcairiel | its either sunday or monday |
| 21:34.23 | nevcairiel | although sunday countries are batshit crazy |
| 21:34.23 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:42.13 | VIad | US starts on sundays |
| 21:42.57 | VIad | months in javascript are 0-indexed everything else is 1 and up.. |
| 21:47.56 | Gnarfoz | US does many weird things, so that's not really a good example :D |
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| 21:54.00 | VIad | it's like the alpha, and by the time of release it was too late to change core functionality |
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| 21:54.32 | VIad | like imperial units, week starts on sunday, javascript 0-based index for week and months but not the other aspects of dates |
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| 21:57.43 | VIad | btw |
| 21:57.53 | VIad | go ingame, mount your flier, spawn your argent squire |
| 21:58.01 | VIad | hold down X to decent, and spam space-bar |
| 21:58.03 | VIad | enjoy |
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