| 00:00.43 | Arrowmaster | so leason learned, after i finally manged to get into freedos by being forced to use a windows app to write it to a usb stick and then switching from uefi to legacy boot i got my uefi 'bios' updated |
| 00:01.00 | Arrowmaster | and it promptly forgot my efi boot entry for my ssd |
| 00:01.13 | fewyn | rip |
| 00:02.18 | Arrowmaster | but i was able to use my other linux computer to make a grml boot usb and once i got that working i managed to learn the syntax for efibootmgr and manually add the entry again |
| 00:02.50 | Arrowmaster | and upon booting i was greeted with the same familiar acpi errors...... http://imgur.com/q3jtUGR |
| 00:02.54 | Arrowmaster | problem not solved |
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| 00:20.18 | Stanzilla | just install plan9 |
| 00:22.55 | nebula | that sounds like a lot of work |
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| 00:59.58 | Stanzilla | there is a new fork that even does 64bit! |
| 01:27.07 | kd3 | the things I do to cool off. https://twitter.com/Kaydeethree/status/876611967724789760 |
| 01:28.06 | Trela | ?_? 79ºF? |
| 01:28.50 | kd3 | at 7 AM. I don't have AC |
| 01:28.55 | kd3 | it's currently 87 in my apartment |
| 01:29.15 | nebula | you dun fucked up |
| 01:29.46 | Trela | Oh, so just a bit warm. |
| 01:30.22 | kd3 | eh, if I was acclimated to it, not a big deal. but I'm a weak norcal resident now. it getting into the 70s is hot now |
| 01:32.10 | Trela | I find it strange how people manage to change their perception to what is hot. 90ºF was never hot to me in the Northeast and it has not changed now either. |
| 01:32.24 | Trela | *(or people's bodies |
| 01:32.31 | Trela | *) |
| 01:33.03 | kd3 | you adapt to what you're consistently exposed to. when I was in atlanta, 90s never bothered me. but then I had AC. |
| 01:34.47 | Trela | I don't though. I wear shorts in 20ºF and only found 110ºF annoying in Texas since I knew I was at risk of dehydration. |
| 01:36.01 | nebula | i can handle cold fine, but fuck the world when the temp goes higher than 78 |
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| 01:45.13 | Stanzilla | same |
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| 05:47.43 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn for free |
| 06:13.01 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 13:48.47 | VIad | dan had enough of our whining |
| 13:55.48 | Torhal | Dan has an understanding of the concept of a weekend, it would appear. |
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| 14:06.40 | Resike | i've been trying to reach dan for a good week now |
| 14:07.00 | Resike | unsuccessfully ofc |
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| 14:12.06 | Gnarfoz | why is Trump not doing something about the US's inferior timezones? |
| 14:12.10 | Gnarfoz | make timezones great again |
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| 14:35.38 | AcidWeb | Gnarfoz: You had problems with starting Linux AMR client or just pointing out that links to guides are broken? |
| 14:37.32 | Gnarfoz | AcidWeb:Â both |
| 14:37.42 | Gnarfoz | I figured the problems out, though |
| 14:38.15 | AcidWeb | Dependencies are mess. I just dockerized client. |
| 14:38.24 | Gnarfoz | the .net core runtime they ship with the client does not work with Debian sid particularly well (had to downgrade curl and libssl) |
| 14:38.50 | Gnarfoz | and on CentOS, it's just straight up the wrong runtime, since they don't provide one for CentOS |
| 14:39.01 | Gnarfoz | (so I have to replace the runtime each time it auto-updates. :|) |
| 14:39.09 | AcidWeb | Yeah. |
| 14:39.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah, isolating it into Docker is a great solution for the current situation |
| 14:39.34 | Gnarfoz | although ideally he'd just not package the runtime |
| 14:39.54 | Gnarfoz | that'd solve most of the issues ^^ |
| 14:39.59 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 14:40.07 | AcidWeb | docker pull acidweb/askmrrobot if you want it |
| 14:40.21 | Gnarfoz | I don't have Docker set up on my server, but thanks for pointing it out :) |
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| 15:11.19 | AcidWeb | AFAIK they plan to release client without runtime |
| 15:11.27 | AcidWeb | so it will use system one |
| 15:11.32 | AcidWeb | that will fix that mess |
| 15:12.46 | Gnarfoz | yeah he said that when I "liveblogged" my setup experience on Debian sid on Discord |
| 15:13.01 | Gnarfoz | alas, he's just one guy and has the well-known eternal backlog of things |
| 15:13.09 | Gnarfoz | so I'm not expecting that to happen anytime soon |
| 15:13.31 | nevcairiel | you could be 10 guys, and your backlog would not be any shorter |
| 15:13.33 | nevcairiel | you know how this goes |
| 15:14.03 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 15:15.28 | fewyn | what should i play on my mage? |
| 15:15.33 | fewyn | frost? |
| 15:15.37 | fewyn | fire? |
| 15:15.39 | fewyn | arcane? |
| 15:17.16 | Thunder_Child | Yes. |
| 15:25.44 | AcidWeb | Try Kobold Poet. |
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| 18:13.08 | Infus | TheDanW: ping |
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| 18:14.56 | Infus | TheDanW: something is wrong with the 7.2.5 settings save or restore code. Apparently for some users random .bak files overwrite their settings |
| 18:15.16 | Infus | TheDanW: as in, .bak files from a different location |
| 18:17.19 | Gnarfoz | at least they tried to fix the .bak files being worthless after 13 years :D |
| 18:19.28 | Infus | that was the 7.2 feature :) |
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| 18:22.25 | Gnarfoz | was it |
| 18:22.53 | TheDanW | Infus: it should only use the .bak if the .lua fail to load, is the .lua file corrupt in some way? |
| 18:23.14 | Infus | might be, but why doesn't wow overwrite it? |
| 18:23.28 | Infus | the users report that their settings reset every time |
| 18:23.57 | Infus | I've collected around ~20 reports here: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/6h666x/wow_725_breaks_addon_saving_for_some_users/ |
| 18:24.40 | Infus | also, that would mean that 7.2.5 idea of corruption is different from 7.2 |
| 18:25.01 | TheDanW | hrm, i'll send the reports over the engineer that worked on it, thanks for the heads up |
| 18:25.05 | Infus | since all of those affected users report that since 7.2.5 |
| 18:25.25 | Infus | TheDanW: also next question, what did change for the "script run too long" check? |
| 18:26.29 | TheDanW | the window was reduced |
| 18:27.04 | Thunder_Child | People in the office must love you TheDanW. You're like a fecal matter font of extra work for people to do. |
| 18:27.12 | Infus | was it always active on login? |
| 18:27.39 | TheDanW | Thunder_Child: i think the source is from somewhere else ;p |
| 18:27.52 | Infus | because I have a strange report of a user claiming he gets that on login in a not rested area |
| 18:28.54 | Thunder_Child | TheDanW: Still blaming Jacob I see. |
| 18:29.46 | TheDanW | Infus: interesting, pretty sure i know why, i'll also talk to the engineer that worked on that; however, you should try to do less work per frame if possible (it may be out of your control in the load process) |
| 18:29.49 | Infus | ah, btw, I noticed a massive reduction in log out times. really nice. |
| 18:30.30 | Infus | if only we had good profiling infrastructure... |
| 18:31.35 | foxlit | I vote that if your frame rate ever dips below 30, windows should overwrite random bytes in wow's memory. |
| 18:32.06 | foxlit | clearly that would help things. |
| 18:36.54 | AcidWeb | So no more Suramar? :P |
| 18:37.30 | Infus | TheDanW: a bit more information on the script run too long issue: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=323893 |
| 18:41.59 | Infus | TheDanW: and I do have a WTF folder from a affected user here: https://www.wowace.com/projects/weakauras-2/issues/983 |
| 18:42.40 | Infus | though I haven't looked at it, nor did the user confirm that removing the .bak files fixed it for him |
| 18:44.05 | TheDanW | ok, i'll forward that along, thanks |
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| 18:55.46 | foxlit | TheDanW: ScrollFrames pretend they're just Frames (despite having extra methods and handlers), asking a LineTranslation animation if it's of any other object type overflows the C stack, and ModelFFX is only creatable from XML. |
| 19:17.26 | Infus | TheDanW, Stanzilla: btw, GetSpellInfo("Spirit of Redemption") doesn't work. (That's a spell a priest pvp talent converts into a active ability with a cooldown) |
| 19:18.55 | Stanzilla | calling GetSpellInfo on the active gives you the info from the passive, spirit of the redeemer |
| 19:27.22 | Funkeh` | TheDanW, RE: script too long, I've also seen it happening out of combat... |
| 19:29.27 | Funkeh` | but since the earlier report was it happening for someone logging in, I guess that's related |
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| 19:40.42 | p3lim | TheDanW: Are you planning on expanding the functionality of C_MapCanvas? It's really nice to use, just very limited in the maps it can provide |
| 19:43.12 | TheDanW | foxlit: fixed except for modelffx, that frame should basically never be used |
| 19:43.20 | TheDanW | foxlit: thanks! |
| 19:45.17 | TheDanW | Infus/Stanzilla: spell overrides break getting spell info by name because in some circumstances you want the overridden and others you don't, as we fix certain cases other cases break (and overrides get very complex) - there's not an easy fix atm |
| 19:46.31 | schlumpf | is modelffx even used outside of gluexml in standard ui? |
| 19:46.31 | TheDanW | p3lim: i'd like to, it's my progress towards having a sane map API - just don't have the time to work on it currently |
| 19:46.48 | p3lim | alright, I'll look forward to it :) |
| 19:46.58 | p3lim | ⢠|
| 19:47.25 | foxlit | (someone should just bundle the (class, level, talents, pvp talents, pvp state) -> {("castable spell name", spell id) } resolution in a library.) |
| 19:47.25 | Funkeh` | speaking of info from spell names, will we ever be able to use unitbuff/debuff with IDs? |
| 19:48.04 | schlumpf | a world where everything is ids rather than strings, ah, a dream. |
| 19:48.52 | Funkeh` | I would have thought internally it has to find the id anyway, maybe it's just a string match |
| 19:52.08 | p3lim | also TheDanW, shouldn't scrollframes return 'ScrollFrame' instead of 'Frame' with :GetObjectType() ? only way to check right now is through the existence of methods |
| 19:52.14 | TheDanW | we've had bugs where in some locales two different english names translate into the same name, and then CastSpellByName fails |
| 19:52.37 | TheDanW | p3lim: yeah, thats what foxlit mentioned, i just fixed it |
| 19:52.42 | p3lim | awesome |
| 19:53.11 | schlumpf | Oh, didn't you say that the off-by-one item categories were fixed with 7.2.5, TheDanW? |
| 19:53.23 | foxlit | should both LineTranslation/Translation and LineScale/Scale exist? |
| 19:53.48 | TheDanW | schlumpf: last i looked they were fixed |
| 19:54.41 | schlumpf | give me a few minutes, bnet app is crashing on startup again |
| 19:55.13 | TheDanW | foxlit: yes, they have different behaviors - Line* will animate along the line (and only work for lines) where the others will animate along the x/y screen axes |
| 19:57.09 | schlumpf | TheDanW: sorry, reopening that issue: http://i.imgur.com/DwWNJrw.png 6=Köcher is Quiver on a quest item. |
| 19:57.38 | schlumpf | (I have cleared cache after 7.2.5) |
| 19:58.13 | schlumpf | (cache corruptions are horribly frequent btw) |
| 20:01.53 | TheDanW | schlumpf: yeah, i see it too, i'll have to look into it, it should have been fixed |
| 20:02.12 | schlumpf | welpü, |
| 20:02.16 | schlumpf | good luck next time :) |
| 20:04.07 | schlumpf | (seeing how long it has been broken and how breaking it is for addons like adibags, I sure would love a pre-7.3 fix ;) ;) ) |
| 20:04.32 | TheDanW | can't promise anything |
| 20:04.41 | schlumpf | I am aware ;) |
| 20:06.24 | schlumpf | I'm mostly amazed how something which I suspected was just db2 locales could break that hard :D |
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| 20:34.30 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: i found some cases where the vehicle UI bugs out because UPDATE_VEHICLE_ACTIONBAR fires before UnitVehicleSkin("player") returns valid data, oddly enough it seems to only affect a few vehicles, like the cannons in felsoul hold in suramar seemed to bug out all the time for me. if you manually call ActionBarController_UpdateAll sometime afterwards it sets up the vehicle UI properly |
| 20:34.40 | nevcairiel | (never had that problem befoire 7.2.5, fwiw) |
| 20:35.12 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: the default vehicle UI? |
| 20:35.15 | Shockah | i'm having the same problem, but i didn't actually bother figuring out why :P |
| 20:35.19 | Shockah | yep |
| 20:35.24 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: yes |
| 20:35.41 | nevcairiel | you can still use the vehicle because the main actionbar just switches over, but the UI doesnt show up |
| 20:35.44 | Shockah | ./reload while inside fixes it |
| 20:36.07 | TheDanW | interesting, i'll have QA take a look, thanks for the report |
| 20:36.08 | nevcairiel | ..and it confused my addon because the [vehicleui] macro condition triggers, but the UI isnt actually activated |
| 20:36.18 | nevcairiel | but i confirmed with only default ui |
| 20:38.51 | TheDanW | gotcha |
| 20:43.32 | VIad | hmm... I've had issues with skinned chat bubbles in this patch, I noticed they appear ugly :'( |
| 20:44.05 | nevcairiel | maybe your skin is just ugly |
| 20:44.13 | nevcairiel | also chat bubbles in instances are no longer skinnable |
| 20:44.16 | VIad | yeah |
| 20:44.31 | VIad | might as well turn off chat bubbles :( |
| 20:44.38 | VIad | the default once are too large |
| 20:44.58 | Resike | TheDanW please fix the GetWeaponEnchantInfo() calls in the SecureHeaders file: https://github.com/Resike/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/live/Interface/FrameXML/SecureGroupHeaders.lua#L793 |
| 20:45.02 | nevcairiel | its still ok for location-based announces from bossmods, just cant overuse it |
| 20:45.56 | VIad | maybe we need a secure template system for nameplates, so we can define a theme and tell the game this fontstring is the name, use this format, and so on |
| 20:46.06 | VIad | sounds like a lot of work, probably wont happen |
| 20:46.35 | VIad | I see new API C_ChatBubbles.GetAllChatBubbles() |
| 20:46.57 | TheDanW | Resike: whats wrong with them? |
| 20:47.11 | Resike | the return values are off line since 5.0 |
| 20:47.35 | Resike | i reported it thousand of times still no fixerino |
| 20:47.38 | nevcairiel | temp enchants have probably also not been used anymore since about then =p |
| 20:48.02 | foxlit | "off line"? |
| 20:48.02 | Resike | like* |
| 20:48.42 | Resike | ofc not since the default buffs are not made with secure headers |
| 20:48.57 | VIad | nevcairiel: http://i.imgur.com/pt9ZPsY.png |
| 20:48.59 | TheDanW | since sept of 2013, yeah |
| 20:49.10 | TheDanW | i'll fix them |
| 20:49.11 | Resike | lul |
| 20:49.12 | nevcairiel | VIad: thats worse then default |
| 20:49.15 | Resike | thanks |
| 20:49.19 | VIad | personal preference |
| 20:49.37 | Resike | finally my buff frames can work |
| 20:49.47 | Resike | properly* |
| 20:49.58 | nevcairiel | i havent seen temp weapon enchants for years |
| 20:50.01 | nevcairiel | what still uses them |
| 20:50.14 | VIad | old items that apply weapon enchants |
| 20:50.15 | nevcairiel | they made rogue poisons a normal buff on you |
| 20:50.26 | VIad | fishing +skill buffs |
| 20:50.34 | VIad | only relevant item I can think of |
| 20:50.37 | Resike | i think shaman still have some stuff related |
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| 20:55.16 | Resike | however the bug doesn't affect the default buff frames since they just regular frames that bypass the <protected> stuff since its handled by blizz code |
| 20:55.46 | Resike | however if you want the build a buff frame with the template than problems occour |
| 20:56.27 | Stanzilla | the only tench stuff that is still used are fishing lures |
| 20:57.04 | Resike | there are bs weapon buffs too |
| 20:57.45 | Stanzilla | those cant be applied to current ilvl items afaik |
| 20:58.00 | Resike | yes but low levels can use them |
| 20:58.06 | Resike | im not sure about shamans |
| 20:58.24 | Stanzilla | shaman stuff is all buffs now |
| 20:58.25 | Resike | when i discovered it shaman weapon buffs were still weapon enchants |
| 20:58.27 | Resike | donno now |
| 21:01.21 | Resike | also it would be nice if GetWeaponEnchantInfo() would also return the duration for the enchant |
| 21:04.45 | Resike | okay other stuff |
| 21:05.57 | Resike | would be nice to create events when an unit enters/leaves your 40y parameter ofc this to 35-30...8-5y |
| 21:06.15 | Resike | instead of spamming UnitInRange/IsSpellInRange on every frame update |
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| 21:09.43 | Gnarfoz | smells like Paladin auras 2.0 |
| 21:09.48 | Gnarfoz | they got rid of those for a reason ^^ |
| 21:10.14 | Resike | events would be nice to have for units with the "target" suffix instead of updating target frames on every frame too |
| 21:11.02 | nevcairiel | you can spin the target thing for ever, it makes no sense to fire events for that if noone cares a bout its data |
| 21:11.22 | nevcairiel | i never care what raid5target does, why would it fire events for that |
| 21:11.38 | Resike | i dont care for raid targets |
| 21:11.50 | Resike | however party arena and boss targets are a different thing |
| 21:12.01 | Resike | same goes for pet target |
| 21:12.06 | nevcairiel | raid5 is just party4 |
| 21:12.16 | nevcairiel | the same thing applies |
| 21:12.26 | nevcairiel | i never show party targets, and i'm sure the majority of people dont |
| 21:12.33 | nevcairiel | firing events seems wasteful |
| 21:13.42 | Resike | you could probaly check if the use has a registered unitframe with a target suffix and only fire events for those clients |
| 21:13.52 | Resike | user* |
| 21:14.28 | Resike | i don't see how is the current onupdate method is better |
| 21:14.44 | Resike | since if you update stuff onupdate |
| 21:14.50 | Resike | its still pulls data from the server |
| 21:15.05 | Resike | UnitHealth/UnitMaxHealth() |
| 21:15.17 | Resike | on ever damn frame update |
| 21:15.28 | nevcairiel | nah those dont ask the server, the client knows the data |
| 21:15.28 | Resike | how is that better |
| 21:15.54 | Resike | than the servers sends the data at some point anyway |
| 21:15.57 | Resike | why not make events for it |
| 21:16.43 | nevcairiel | like I said, firing events for stuff only 0.1% of people will ever use is just wasted |
| 21:17.11 | nevcairiel | the onupdate thing works fine (ps: you dont need to update health every frame, the client doesnt get data that often anyway) |
| 21:17.24 | Resike | well there is not only health you want to update on a frame |
| 21:18.27 | Resike | anyway i would be intrested in that how frequently you get changes related to target units |
| 21:19.25 | Resike | since if i stand in bazillion of Mimiron fires i can watch my health go down 1 by 1 |
| 21:20.13 | nevcairiel | your own and party/raid member health is a bit special, you get more frequent updates for that, and even predictive logic |
| 21:20.47 | nevcairiel | not quite sure to what units that extents to |
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| 21:22.24 | Resike | the problem is that this 2 functions range/target frames eats 70% of performance of my unit frames |
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| 21:22.33 | Resike | which is redonkulous |
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| 21:22.48 | nevcairiel | maybe your frame is just very inefficient |
| 21:23.05 | nevcairiel | i've never had complaints about performance from target frames |
| 21:23.33 | Resike | its not performace issue its inefficiency issue |
| 21:23.48 | nevcairiel | ineffeciency makes no difference if it doesnt affect performance |
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| 21:24.17 | nevcairiel | most addons are probably super inefficient, but noone cares because it still works fine |
| 21:24.40 | Resike | so if i want to build a good unitframe thats dumb? |
| 21:25.08 | nevcairiel | its dumb to worry about things that have no realworld impact |
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| 21:26.35 | Resike | well the impact is that it will reach the point where performace will take a hit a lot faster then without which won't let me add anymore features |
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| 21:32.20 | Resike | anyway any time anyone in your group gains 1 rage/power/energy you get an events how is that better compated to the unit target health changes |
| 21:33.11 | Resike | the power related events swarming the whole log sometimes even in between frames |
| 21:40.55 | foxlit | hm, class hall report into loading screen seems to break the panel system (no Escape -> Game Menu) for me. Granted, addons, so dunno if that's my own fault. |
| 21:42.39 | nevcairiel | i had an odd issue earlier where my character frame was showing up in the middle of the screen instead of the left where its supposed to go, i wonder if that might be related |
| 21:42.44 | foxlit | same thing |
| 21:43.34 | foxlit | panel system basically doesn't clean up properly if somebody :Hide()s instead of HideUIPanel |
| 21:44.25 | nevcairiel | i just reloaded without trying the menu, but yeah i might have had the report open at some time |
| 21:46.02 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_GarrisonUI/Blizzard_GarrisonLandingPage.lua/diff#107 << well, what do you know. |
| 21:46.42 | nevcairiel | so making that call into the UIPanel functions would probably solve it, eh |
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| 21:49.33 | foxlit | (ideally, should fix the UI panel logic to not choke if something is hidden, but I'm biased since I ran into that last april.) |
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| 22:34.51 | TheDanW | fixed the landing page code :/ |
| 22:35.33 | TheDanW | firing events aren't free (in fact they're rather expensive), unlikely to add events for target chains or the like |
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| 23:52.47 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.09 | foxlit | sawano's song titles have more entropy than my passwords :/ |
| 23:53.28 | Mr_Rabies | i thought you got like keylogged for a second |
| 23:53.30 | nevcairiel | maybe he falls asleep trying to come up with names and hits the keyboard |
| 23:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | url and insane random characters |
