| 00:00.44 | Neffi | ty |
| 00:00.52 | Neffi | I feel p proud |
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| 00:24.14 | Torhal | :O |
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| 05:35.16 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 05:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | why is icc only dropping normal tier tokens, even on heroic 25 man |
| 05:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i see |
| 05:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | it drops a mix, i just had bad luck for my tokens |
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| 09:11.26 | nevcairiel | yeah it always worked like that - which is probably a good thing, s ince you need normal tokens to redeem the heroic ones |
| 09:19.29 | nebula | wasn't it the wing bosses always dropped one heroic token? |
| 09:28.17 | Gnarfoz | hmmm |
| 09:28.21 | Gnarfoz | wowhead kaputt? |
| 09:28.33 | nebula | works here |
| 09:28.36 | Gnarfoz | ERR_SPDY_PROTOCOL_ERROR -- might be our proxy, though |
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| 09:28.45 | nevcairiel | seems kaputt |
| 09:28.51 | Gnarfoz | Zero Sized Reply |
| 09:28.51 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.07 | nevcairiel | it just loads for ever for me |
| 09:29.09 | Gnarfoz | guess it might be whatever local CDN we get served from |
| 09:29.41 | nevcairiel | i get ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE fwiw |
| 09:30.38 | Gnarfoz | yeah, same as our proxy |
| 09:31.15 | nevcairiel | ERR_SPDY_PROTOCOL_ERROR if i try https |
| 09:31.36 | Gnarfoz | makes senswe |
| 09:32.01 | nevcairiel | it does? ^^ |
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| 09:35.01 | Gnarfoz | it's probably a http/2 error and they still use SPDY internally for those |
| 09:35.23 | Gnarfoz | or it might be SPDY itself, also possible; regardless: I don't think any browser supports doing either over HTTP |
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| 09:37.49 | Gnarfoz | if I read Wikipedia correctly, Chrome doesn't even support SPDY anymore, pointing even stronger in the direction of HTTP/2 ^^ |
| 09:38.19 | nevcairiel | http2 isnt used without ssl? how does that make sense?^^ |
| 09:39.47 | nevcairiel | probably some political nonsense, the spec doesnt seem to mandate that |
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| 10:01.26 | Gnarfoz | it almost did |
| 10:01.57 | Gnarfoz | someone protested and because nobody has a spine, they changed it -- in practice, though, I don't think anything relevant supports that now |
| 10:03.00 | Gnarfoz | (they wanted to leverage it to get higher encrypted traffic %) |
| 10:04.59 | nevcairiel | in my mind it would have the opposite effect, you dont install ecnryption to use http2, so it limits their own adoption, not boosts encryption |
| 10:05.49 | foxlit | why don't you install encryption to use http2? |
| 10:06.45 | Gnarfoz | well, using http/2 instead of http/1 is a different kind of benefit than using https over http |
| 10:07.49 | Gnarfoz | I think they correctly assumed that adoption of http2 for performance reasons could be piggy-backed to spread more https, as well |
| 10:08.17 | Gnarfoz | :shrug: we don't have the numbers for the variant that didn't happen |
| 10:08.42 | nevcairiel | i generally dont like such schemes, its not mandatory and just done for reasons because someone thought t hey could |
| 10:08.54 | nevcairiel | there is no single technical argument |
| 10:09.21 | nevcairiel | security is orthogonal to http2 |
| 10:12.13 | foxlit | (and now it's not :P) |
| 10:12.20 | Gnarfoz | sure, it's a straight ploy to leverage it because they could |
| 10:12.47 | foxlit | (I would also argue it's because *a lot* of people thought they *should*) |
| 10:13.37 | Gnarfoz | who's this lot? a lot? it's not like these people care about users |
| 10:14.38 | VIad | is http2 the web2.0 marketing term or actually provides new tech benefits? :P |
| 10:14.52 | Gnarfoz | the latter |
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| 10:15.25 | Gnarfoz | it's mostly SPDY |
| 10:15.34 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: "people who make browsers don't care about users" seems weird. |
| 10:15.50 | nevcairiel | you would be surprised how few people actually care about their users =p |
| 10:16.01 | VIad | spdy wiki says its deprecated |
| 10:16.03 | foxlit | more importantly, it's not like users care about your protocol design decisions. |
| 10:17.06 | Gnarfoz | same as with addon authors, there's many who don't give a rats ass about what their users actually do with their addon/like about it |
| 10:17.49 | Gnarfoz | and like nev said, if suddenly using http2 requires you to switch to https, then that's something users care about |
| 10:18.15 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â don't be bad at googling ;p |
| 10:18.51 | Gnarfoz | can iPhones be backed up entirely into "the cloud" these days? |
| 10:19.03 | Gnarfoz | particularly for the "switch to new phone" scenario? |
| 10:19.15 | foxlit | yes*. |
| 10:23.23 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: I think that's taking users to mean website administrators, which is a rather vanishingly small subset of all people who'd end up using the protocol. |
| 10:24.31 | VIad | Gnarfoz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY |
| 10:24.55 | VIad | "... is a now-deprecated open-specification networking protocol ..." |
| 10:25.05 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â and we're talking about HTTP/2. |
| 10:25.30 | VIad | but you said http2 had spdy that was the thing making http2 actually different from http ,_, |
| 10:25.33 | Gnarfoz | foxlit:Â they're the only relevant audience that could be considered "users" |
| 10:25.38 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â wat |
| 10:25.48 | foxlit | (somehow a world where I don't have to worry about dodgy airport/hotel/whatever wifi logging all website traffic and cookies seems preferable to one where nev can avoid creating a self-signed cert') |
| 10:25.49 | nevcairiel | VIad: http2 is basically spdy renamed :p |
| 10:25.50 | VIad | thats how I understood you :p |
| 10:25.52 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â I said that HTTP/2 is basically SPDY (version 3 or newer) |
| 10:25.55 | VIad | oh really |
| 10:26.00 | VIad | so its like a political thing |
| 10:26.06 | VIad | its not obama care, its american health plan |
| 10:26.06 | VIad | :D |
| 10:26.12 | Gnarfoz | ...not really, either |
| 10:26.16 | nevcairiel | its just a more official name once it was properly standardized |
| 10:26.28 | Gnarfoz | SPDY was a Google thing, HTTP/2 is the web standard, or something like that |
| 10:26.35 | VIad | got it |
| 10:27.42 | Gnarfoz | work work |
| 10:28.52 | Gnarfoz | (zug zug is weird because it means train train in German) |
| 10:28.56 | VIad | this speaks to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg |
| 10:29.09 | foxlit | wouldn't just pronouncing the english z fix that? |
| 10:29.32 | Gnarfoz | yes, also, capitalization |
| 10:31.21 | Gnarfoz | ("sug sug" would result in the proper pronunciation) |
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| 16:29.58 | Iriel | Adding to a conversation from almost 6 hours ago, one of the reasons HTTP/2 requires TLS/SSL/HTTPS/whatever is to bypass an awful lot of poorly written/non-compliant "middle boxes" such as HTTP caching, content injection, etc, that would otherwise have likely broken many HTTP/2 interactions. |
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| 16:31.46 | Fisker | Let me just fetch my logs so I can retort |
| 16:34.03 | nevcairiel | Iriel: the even worse boxes do tls interception as well =p |
| 16:35.07 | Iriel | True, but at that point there's little that can be done there - and I guess the sophistication required to pull that off gives a chance they might be implemening the various HTTP protocols correctly |
| 16:41.39 | Bluspacecow | D3 act 1 bounty = "kill lord brone" |
| 16:41.44 | Bluspacecow | i have to kill a brony ??? |
| 16:43.04 | kullervo | you have to kill brody, the super saiyan |
| 16:43.31 | Bluspacecow | the retarded one ? |
| 16:44.02 | kullervo | dunno tbh I only watched tfs version |
| 16:46.21 | Bluspacecow | no i mean actually retarded. Canon brody acted mentally deficient and placid. He was super strong but .... |
| 16:46.35 | Bluspacecow | a limiter his father put on him mad him all derpy like |
| 16:46.52 | Bluspacecow | otherwises hes SUPER MAD GRRRRRR SUPER INSANE SAIYAN |
| 16:48.55 | kullervo | yeah the abridged version just didn't have all the fluff |
| 16:49.10 | kullervo | he was derpy and that's it |
| 16:49.50 | nevcairiel | i didnt even watch most of the movies, so i dont know who he is at all =p |
| 16:50.09 | nevcairiel | the few movies i watched were kinda bad, so i stopped |
| 17:08.08 | Bluspacecow | IIRC there were 2 Brody movies. But the basic gist of it he went super mad insane because of his brother goku's crying |
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| 19:32.30 | VIad | is wowhead offline? |
| 19:46.19 | pompy | nope |
| 20:08.56 | _Kee | Yeah, wowhead.com returns ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE. |
| 20:10.31 | Gnarfoz | been like that since this morning for me |
| 20:11.40 | Gnarfoz | seems like they're at least vaguely aware of it https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/870659254780182528 |
| 20:12.00 | nevcairiel | doesnt sound like it tbh =p |
| 20:12.32 | Gnarfoz | considering their track record, they probably think it's a-ok |
| 20:12.36 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:12.51 | nevcairiel | well the entire place is probably run by 2 people by now, cost cutting etc |
| 20:13.37 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 20:19.23 | VIad | how can we cut costs any further? would be nice if we went to -2 employees, would make money of them... |
| 20:21.54 | Gnarfoz | I think it's safe to say they're going to try |
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| 21:28.23 | jnwhiteh | I basically never sit at my computer anymore unless I'm playing games. |
| 21:28.41 | jnwhiteh | And when I do I'm on an airplane or on a trip somewhere. This causes me to almost never be on IRC and I dislike it =( |
| 21:29.02 | Gnarfoz | Quassel + Quasseldroid |
| 21:29.14 | Gnarfoz | or IRCCloud if you can't be bothered with that |
| 21:29.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:33.01 | jnwhiteh | I have a bouncer which helps a bit, but its more the habit of checking it. |
| 21:33.09 | jnwhiteh | But perhaps Quassel is worth a look again |
| 21:34.30 | VIad | there are no good irc bouncers for windows sadly :p |
| 21:34.33 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: IRCcloud has mobile apps I assume? |
| 21:34.35 | VIad | not that I could find |
| 21:34.41 | jnwhiteh | I'm *gasp* switching to Windows |
| 21:34.51 | jnwhiteh | and finding even a passable IRC client, let alone anything else, has been a struggle. |
| 21:34.55 | VIad | yes |
| 21:35.03 | jnwhiteh | I may be crawling back into screen/tmux on ubuntu/windows |
| 21:35.05 | jnwhiteh | which makes me a tad sad. |
| 21:35.34 | jnwhiteh | I like you people <3 |
| 21:35.39 | VIad | aww <3 |
| 21:39.04 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: sure, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.irccloud.android&hl=en |
| 21:39.48 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: I like Quassel fine on Windows, but of course, YMMV (it's also not just a simple/straight-forward IRC client, it's a bit more) |
| 21:39.59 | Gnarfoz | not sure what Stanzilla uses these days... probably still kvirc? |
| 21:40.29 | jnwhiteh | The quality of open source applications is really still quite sad on Windows compared to Mac |
| 21:40.33 | Gnarfoz | and znf is a xchat/ychat/wchat/hexchat (lol) type of guy last I checked |
| 21:40.38 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 21:40.40 | Gnarfoz | that's kind of a ridiculously broad statement :p |
| 21:41.29 | znf | hexchat master race |
| 21:41.34 | znf | What is wrong with hexchat? |
| 21:42.15 | jnwhiteh | seems reasonable if not hideous |
| 21:42.24 | Stanzilla | I'm still on kvirc yeah |
| 21:42.30 | znf | I use hexchat + znc, and I use irccloud on my phone to connect to the znc |
| 21:43.18 | jnwhiteh | whoa you can do that? |
| 21:43.21 | jnwhiteh | wizardry! |
| 21:43.27 | znf | why wouldn't I? |
| 21:43.35 | jnwhiteh | I didn't know irccloud was a normal IRC client |
| 21:43.38 | jnwhiteh | assumed it was more magical |
| 21:43.46 | znf | you can connect it to any irc server |
| 21:43.52 | znf | znc is basically an irc proxy |
| 21:44.07 | znf | quassel is pretty good, if you don't fancy paying $5/mo to irccloud |
| 21:44.08 | Gnarfoz | Quassel is more magical, IRCcloud is pretty regular |
| 21:44.19 | znf | but the apps on android are pretty bad |
| 21:44.22 | Gnarfoz | whut? |
| 21:44.27 | Gnarfoz | there's only one and it's fine? |
| 21:44.37 | znf | if you fancy installing it from f-droid, sure |
| 21:44.47 | Gnarfoz | afaik the version on play is the same now, isn't it |
| 21:44.53 | nevcairiel | i use quasseldroid from the play store and it works fine for me |
| 21:44.55 | Gnarfoz | but yes, that's the main issue with it |
| 21:45.02 | znf | and still no file uploads! |
| 21:45.09 | nevcairiel | noone needs that shit |
| 21:45.10 | Gnarfoz | why the fuck would an irc client need file uploads |
| 21:45.14 | Gnarfoz | :C |
| 21:45.29 | Gnarfoz | not having them feels like a feature :P |
| 21:46.05 | Stanzilla | znf: you have to add that you pay for irccloud |
| 21:46.10 | jnwhiteh | znf: I use znc now but I kinda want to be able to scroll back and see whats been going on but without the ... hacky/manual way that it works |
| 21:46.21 | jnwhiteh | but maybe that's asking too much from something I don't use very often anyway |
| 21:46.27 | znf | Stanzilla, yes |
| 21:46.33 | nevcairiel | quassel is great with that, if you can run the core somewhere |
| 21:46.41 | Gnarfoz | what he said |
| 21:47.07 | znf | Gnarfoz, I need to uploads pics, mkay? :P |
| 21:47.19 | nevcairiel | stop sexting through irc |
| 21:47.25 | znf | ...no. |
| 21:47.36 | nevcairiel | thats what snapchat is for |
| 21:47.36 | Gnarfoz | where do the pics come from? |
| 21:47.37 | znf | I can't recall |
| 21:47.47 | znf | does quassel do push? |
| 21:47.58 | znf | on android |
| 21:48.08 | Gnarfoz | sadly, no, since that requires infrastructure |
| 21:48.10 | nevcairiel | its planned, but not right now |
| 21:48.10 | jnwhiteh | I can run the core if I can run it on *nix |
| 21:48.51 | znf | yup |
| 21:48.59 | Gnarfoz | push is so much easier to do for someone selling a service than for an arbitrary software you can run yourself (at least it certainly seems that way) |
| 21:49.02 | znf | there's also a webif, nodejs I think? |
| 21:49.25 | Stanzilla | https://github.com/thelounge/lounge |
| 21:49.28 | nevcairiel | there is, Gnarfoz uses/used that for a while |
| 21:49.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, third-party, but it works mostly fine now |
| 21:50.07 | jnwhiteh | ugh |
| 21:50.11 | jnwhiteh | i avoid anything node.js like the plague. |
| 21:50.21 | nevcairiel | dont have to use the web interface =p |
| 21:50.28 | jnwhiteh | also websites defeat the purpose for me :D |
| 21:50.31 | znf | but yeah, the only reason I pay for irccloud is the mobile app |
| 21:50.31 | jnwhiteh | fair |
| 21:50.39 | znf | on desktop I stick with hexchat |
| 21:50.44 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 21:51.11 | znf | and it's too late for me to change to quassel :P |
| 21:51.12 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I shall take a closer look at that some time |
| 21:51.36 | znf | I guess I *could* use something like hexchat -> znc -> irc server, then do quassel -> quassel core -> znc |
| 21:51.38 | nevcairiel | screw pure web apps |
| 21:51.49 | nevcairiel | its a trend i would rather see go die then embrace |
| 21:51.54 | Gnarfoz | same |
| 21:52.02 | znf | nodejs people are weird |
| 21:52.19 | nevcairiel | znf: now that entirely defeats the purpose, using 5 levels of indirections everywhere :p |
| 21:52.35 | znf | but no push notifications, so meh |
| 21:52.54 | znf | I'm quite fond of my push notifications :D |
| 21:54.22 | znf | I did try the quassel client on windows, but it felt... lacking |
| 21:54.29 | znf | you know how people and their irc client are :P |
| 21:54.43 | nevcairiel | you use hexchat, you dont get a style defense |
| 21:54.44 | znf | ie: https://xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 21:55.03 | znf | hexchat is pretty |
| 21:55.06 | znf | it's flat and pretty |
| 21:55.31 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/tH2RhLs.png |
| 21:56.14 | znf | I should /detach from a billion channels tough |
| 21:58.21 | Gnarfoz | my Quassel is flat and pretty as well! :D |
| 21:58.31 | Gnarfoz | not as eye-searingly white, though |
| 21:58.46 | znf | I can't do dark backgrounds in my irc client anymore |
| 21:58.54 | znf | got used to light ones ages ago |
| 21:59.13 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/PkghmAo.png |
| 21:59.34 | Gnarfoz | I usally have only very low ambient light on, so anything bright is just crazy |
| 21:59.34 | znf | ah, I think I was annoyed that I couldn't do tabs in quassel? |
| 21:59.46 | Gnarfoz | maybe? I've never felt the need for tabs in IRC |
| 21:59.51 | nevcairiel | who the f' still uses tabs |
| 21:59.51 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:59.56 | Gnarfoz | there's a tree view thingy, I think |
| 21:59.56 | znf | I could never get used to tree crap |
| 22:00.09 | znf | ever since mIRC introduced it and made it default, like, 20 years ago? |
| 22:00.12 | znf | or whatever |
| 22:00.23 | Gnarfoz | mirc? tabs? mirc used buttons |
| 22:00.35 | znf | they were called tabs |
| 22:00.50 | Gnarfoz | your screenshot also doesn't contain tabs, just buttons |
| 22:00.57 | znf | they are called tabs... |
| 22:01.12 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/GGGFYY5.png |
| 22:01.15 | Gnarfoz | someone is very confused, then |
| 22:01.20 | znf | it is you |
| 22:02.13 | znf | but yeah, one updates ages ago made mirc use a tree view by default, I hated it! |
| 22:02.38 | znf | wow, mIRC still gets updated, wtf |
| 22:02.49 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/YIW4eVf.png these are tabs! :P |
| 22:02.50 | znf | last release on 25th O.o |
| 22:02.59 | Gnarfoz | I bet khaled mardam bey still needs money |
| 22:03.01 | Gnarfoz | if that was his name |
| 22:03.23 | znf | I think mirc literally died when he stopped allowing an endless trial |
| 22:03.39 | Gnarfoz | he has such a unique name that I still know it off the top of my head, having not used mirc for >15 years? :P |
| 22:03.58 | znf | that's because of that motherfucking pop-up every time you opened the client |
| 22:04.47 | znf | http://johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/chatroom/khaled.jpg |
| 22:04.48 | znf | !!!! |
| 22:05.07 | znf | ah, no, wait |
| 22:05.09 | znf | this one http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/chat/khaled.jpg |
| 22:05.19 | znf | this was the one that imprinted his name in your brain |
| 22:13.00 | znf | woah, that's crazy http://ircv3.net/ |
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| 22:42.24 | Gnarfoz | http://ircv3.net/support/networks.html |
| 23:18.10 | znf | http://imgur.com/gallery/8xTyQ |
| 23:18.19 | znf | this guy is so internet-cool |
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