| 00:08.00 | LexSfX | the escape key doing things other than opening the game menu is the reason i wrote DirectGameMenu |
| 00:08.59 | LexSfX | i hate when the escape key clears my target or does other such things. i have a separate bind (middle mouse button) to clear my target and close combo boxes if i need to |
| 00:09.38 | Tentacled | Just out of curiosity - are there perhaps plans to change the ridiculous "type DELETE" security feature to something more modern, like, a mouseover-countdown, a "click button number 3", or something else that would perhaps be more friendly for disabled users? |
| 00:10.27 | LexSfX | Tentacled: https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/deletegooditemconfirmhelper |
| 00:10.43 | LexSfX | this one-line addon just does this: |
| 00:10.44 | LexSfX | StaticPopupDialogs["DELETE_GOOD_ITEM"] = StaticPopupDialogs["DELETE_ITEM"] |
| 00:11.23 | LexSfX | which removes the silly "type DELETE" dialog altogether, replacing it with the regular old one |
| 00:11.30 | Tentacled | I'm talking default UI. Since almost everything else can be operated with the mouse, I'd think that last bastion of keyboard-exclusiveness should die. |
| 00:12.12 | LexSfX | i don't see how a one-line addon really interferes enough to consider it far from default UI |
| 00:12.17 | nevcairiel | gaming without a keyboard should be banned =p |
| 00:12.46 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: as should not having two perfectly functional hands, perhaps? :> |
| 00:12.59 | nevcairiel | indeed, lock them away |
| 00:13.01 | LexSfX | yes! bionic arms ftw |
| 00:13.09 | Tentacled | There was this Eastern-European guy with a funny moustache that used to say that. Godwin was his name, or something? :> |
| 00:13.35 | Ressy | Having to use the addon is more an accessibility issue. |
| 00:14.06 | LexSfX | anyway, just use StaticPopupDialogs["DELETE_GOOD_ITEM"] = StaticPopupDialogs["DELETE_ITEM"] in a macro if it's sooo important to you not to run an "addon", even if it's just one line |
| 00:14.07 | Tentacled | I like Wildstar's confirmations, for example. All "dangerous" buttons have to be hovered over for a few seconds before they become active. |
| 00:14.30 | LexSfX | /run StaticPopupDialogs["DELETE_GOOD_ITEM"] = StaticPopupDialogs["DELETE_ITEM"] |
| 00:14.38 | Tentacled | LexSfX: I don't even need that myself, I was only wondering :> |
| 00:15.39 | nevcairiel | if you are disabled, then addons that let you tailor the UI to your particular needs will probably always help |
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| 00:21.19 | LexSfX | better than confirmations |
| 00:21.23 | nevcairiel | really just a lot of dev effort for stupid people |
| 00:21.26 | LexSfX | but also more complex to implement |
| 00:21.29 | LexSfX | yeah |
| 00:21.30 | nevcairiel | confirmations are simple and help |
| 00:21.49 | LexSfX | though not just for stupid people; also for fast UI |
| 00:22.29 | LexSfX | just a design ideal is to use undo instead of confirmation. now i'm not saying that is the practical thing to do with WoW which already has established confirmations in many places |
| 00:22.42 | LexSfX | just saying hypothetically, the best solution is to have undos |
| 00:23.12 | nevcairiel | the complexity in something like a mmo would always outweigh the advantages |
| 00:23.23 | Tentacled | It's practical in workflow-driven environments, sure, but I don't really see it in an online game. |
| 00:23.40 | Tentacled | Unkill that monster. Unpickup that loot. |
| 00:24.11 | nevcairiel | how long do you keep the "undo" data? what if i deleted an item and only notice a day later that its missing? can i use it as an external storage device for full bags now? :) |
| 00:24.22 | LexSfX | the most recent one only |
| 00:24.36 | LexSfX | which would effectively replace a confirmation |
| 00:24.39 | nevcairiel | and suddenly its no good anymore |
| 00:24.41 | Ressy | nevcairiel: Blizz already has that implemented.. 30 days. |
| 00:24.46 | LexSfX | well, so is a confirmation if you click accept |
| 00:25.03 | nevcairiel | if i have a bunch of items i want to delete, and one in the middle is one i want to keep |
| 00:25.10 | nevcairiel | a confirmation might remind me that this one i need |
| 00:25.25 | nevcairiel | a one-item undo wouldnt help, as i had deleted a bunch and only want one particular one back |
| 00:25.29 | nevcairiel | not necessarily the latest one |
| 00:25.30 | Tentacled | Magic solution: "delete" is actually "sell to vendor for 0g", you can go and buyback. |
| 00:25.49 | Ressy | https://us.battle.net/support/en/restoration |
| 00:26.03 | Tentacled | Ressy: Human interaction, eew eew. |
| 00:26.08 | nevcairiel | Ressy: we're talking about hypothetical things here, go away with your websites and things! :P |
| 00:26.11 | Ressy | none required. |
| 00:26.16 | Ressy | Its all automated item restoration |
| 00:26.22 | Tentacled | Clicking links out of game! Eww! |
| 00:26.24 | Ressy | You choose what item you need to restore, and you get it back in the mail. |
| 00:27.18 | Ressy | Tentacled: Blizzard's in game Browser points you to it. |
| 00:27.48 | Tentacled | Build it into the game, then, I say. :P |
| 00:27.57 | nevcairiel | we all know how the restoration works, thats besides the point of this discussion :p |
| 00:28.10 | Ressy | They already have a restoration method. |
| 00:28.21 | Tentacled | I'm not sure what the point is anymore... I'm a bad needle... |
| 00:28.23 | Ressy | They're not going to build others. Its stupid & a waste of their time they could be working on other things. |
| 00:28.43 | nevcairiel | Ressy sure doesnt know how to engage in hypothetical discussions |
| 00:28.57 | Ressy | hypothetical discussions are pointless. |
| 00:29.11 | nevcairiel | its the internet, all we do is pointless |
| 00:29.19 | Ressy | Maybe you... |
| 00:29.30 | nevcairiel | now she starts insulting me |
| 00:29.34 | nevcairiel | bad day? |
| 00:29.34 | Ressy | :P |
| 00:29.38 | Ressy | oh hell yes. |
| 00:29.43 | Ressy | Thanks for reminding me I need vodka. |
| 00:43.02 | Stanzilla | do share |
| 00:43.51 | Ressy | You like Smirnoff Peach Bellinis? https://twitter.com/RessyM/status/843986326701662210 |
| 00:44.48 | nevcairiel | tangent: why is the twitter website so terrible, anyway? everytime i scroll down on someones timeline and then try to scroll back up, the site bugs out and snaps back down somewhat |
| 00:45.24 | Ressy | Its just bad. |
| 00:45.44 | Ressy | Twitter devs are probably using a 3rd party, so don't notice how buggy it is. |
| 00:46.36 | Stanzilla | I'll try it |
| 00:46.41 | Stanzilla | whatever knocks me out is great |
| 00:47.02 | nevcairiel | these smirnoff ice drinks have really gone out of fahsion here since they icnreased the tax on those kind of drinks |
| 00:47.23 | nevcairiel | 10-12 years ago they were really popular |
| 00:47.39 | Stanzilla | yeah because teenagers almost killed them with it |
| 00:47.55 | Stanzilla | too much sugar so they drank it like soda |
| 00:48.10 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 00:48.15 | nevcairiel | man 2004 already when they added the tax |
| 00:48.18 | nevcairiel | sure am getting old |
| 00:48.22 | Stanzilla | yeah :( |
| 00:48.26 | Stanzilla | I was mad about it back then! |
| 00:48.51 | nevcairiel | what was the other popular one besides smirnoff ice |
| 00:49.40 | Stanzilla | barcadi breeze |
| 00:49.55 | Stanzilla | r |
| 00:50.29 | Stanzilla | I used to collect the bottles of those :D |
| 00:53.30 | nevcairiel | bacardi rigo is the one i meant |
| 00:53.34 | nevcairiel | or just rigo |
| 00:54.00 | Stanzilla | rigo was the unflavored one iirc? |
| 00:54.11 | Stanzilla | or just lime or so |
| 00:54.17 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 00:54.31 | Stanzilla | http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A3JNF4/clip-image-alcoholic-softdrinks-bacardi-breezer-bacardi-rigo-smirnoff-A3JNF4.jpg |
| 00:54.32 | Stanzilla | there |
| 00:54.34 | nevcairiel | not sure they even sell |
| 00:54.42 | Stanzilla | all the offenders on one screen |
| 00:54.53 | Stanzilla | that brings back memories |
| 00:55.26 | Thunder_Child | Of being a delinquent. |
| 00:55.58 | Stanzilla | that's technically correct |
| 00:56.12 | Stanzilla | I was under age during that "period" |
| 00:58.36 | Thunder_Child | No, because it's not age specific. |
| 00:58.59 | Thunder_Child | Although it is still correct. |
| 01:00.00 | _Kee | Today I leanered a new thing: World Markers lasts exaclty 4h. |
| 01:00.52 | Stanzilla | you have not progress raided in a while, have you? |
| 01:05.40 | _Kee | Just never toke it into account |
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| 03:17.26 | LexSfX | 17:28:56 <Ressy> hypothetical discussions are pointless. |
| 03:17.27 | LexSfX | not true |
| 03:17.33 | LexSfX | they help future game design paradigms |
| 03:18.33 | LexSfX | i realize ressy isn't here |
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| 12:29.34 | karl_w_w | marshmallows are heavier than bread |
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| 13:28.54 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: depends on the bread. |
| 13:32.56 | karl_w_w | yeah lots of people depend on bread |
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| 13:46.17 | Thunder_Child | ... |
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| 14:52.36 | Aftermathh | Can anyone tell me why World Quest fonts are not affected by this script meanwhile everything else is? Pic: http://imgur.com/a/9a3uE Code: https://hastebin.com/opayetiqah.lisp |
| 14:55.50 | nevcairiel | looks like all have the same font |
| 14:58.27 | Aftermathh | Not the world quest one :) |
| 14:58.38 | nevcairiel | which world quest one |
| 14:58.51 | nevcairiel | the "World Quests" headline and the individual tasks look exactly like the others |
| 14:59.28 | Aftermathh | http://imgur.com/a/9a3uE |
| 15:01.13 | nevcairiel | the world quest block uses a different frame structure |
| 15:01.25 | nevcairiel | check it with fstack or something, its quite different to quests and achievements for some reason |
| 15:03.47 | Aftermathh | Its weird, cause i get off the dash but it doesn't affect the fonts |
| 15:06.54 | nevcairiel | world quests use the bonus objective tracker code, which uses different frames then normal quests or achievements |
| 15:12.59 | nevcairiel | on world quests the header is added as the first "objective" line |
| 15:13.23 | nevcairiel | you can recognize it by OBJECTIVE_DASH_STYLE_HIDE_AND_COLLAPSE, i guess |
| 15:14.06 | nevcairiel | if line.dashStyle == OBJECTIVE_DASH_STYLE_HIDE_AND_COLLAPSE then .. process header .. |
| 15:14.18 | nevcairiel | or in your case line is called SubHeader |
| 15:14.20 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 15:20.07 | Aftermathh | Show me :) |
| 15:21.58 | nevcairiel | https://hastebin.com/suyucahini.lisp i messed a round with your code some |
| 15:22.12 | nevcairiel | couldnt really test it without your other code |
| 15:24.29 | nevcairiel | (alternative would be checking objectiveKey == 0 instead of dashStyle, not sure if dashStyle wouldnt mess up somewhere) |
| 15:25.30 | Aftermathh | That acutally worked for the world quest :D |
| 15:30.22 | Aftermathh | Although there's a spacing problem now |
| 15:30.23 | Aftermathh | http://imgur.com/a/E0KL7 |
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| 16:13.58 | foxlit | mildly surprising: PEW doesn't fire when travelling from Dreamgrove to Dalaran. I thought it was supposed to capture all loading screen transitions :( |
| 16:18.02 | nebula | did you check for PLAYER_ENTERING_DREAM ? |
| 16:19.19 | foxlit | oh, that worked. |
| 16:19.33 | Andols2 | I though it was when you changed worldserver (mapid or similar) |
| 16:19.37 | foxlit | thanks nebula. |
| 16:19.42 | nebula | np |
| 16:20.21 | nebula | Andols2: nah, it really should be any loading screen |
| 16:21.28 | Andols2 | The *I press release when I'm dead loading screen* to? |
| 16:22.01 | [TOM_RUS] | pretty sure PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD only fires on map changes, for loading screens there's separate events |
| 16:22.04 | nebula | if it triggers a loading screen instead of just teleporting you, yes |
| 16:23.02 | nebula | Andols2: when going to the graveyard it does, i'm not sure about releasing in an instance, though |
| 16:24.29 | nebula | [TOM_RUS]: there are additional events for loading screens, but PEW almost always fires for them aswell |
| 16:45.27 | nevcairiel | loading screens within the same instance are a bit special and a bit rare, i guess |
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| 16:53.27 | TheDanW | Tentacled: that's a fair point about the delete dialog, i'll bring it up to design |
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| 17:08.58 | Ressy | Awesome. Thanks TheDanW. Should help with accessibility too :) |
| 17:11.50 | nevcairiel | while you are at it, the dialog might as well mention that you are actually deleting |
| 17:14.35 | TheDanW | or maybe it's just random, i heard everyone loves RNG |
| 17:20.10 | Andols | nebula: Did some testing, Pew did trigger for me when Going Dreamgrove -> Dalaran, (both hs and portal). I get a pew when going to the sewers through the well, but not when using the toy to teleport to Vargoths retreat |
| 17:20.51 | Andols | So not every loading screen but way more than I expected |
| 18:09.05 | _Kee | Q: What happens when I have all 10 legendary items for some spec, and make more contribution with same spec loot? I loose it, or it counts towards other spec? And if, to which one? |
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| 21:32.29 | p3lim | anyone got a list (preferably with images) of every atlas available? |
| 21:34.10 | nevcairiel | i can list you, but not with images |
| 21:34.17 | p3lim | hit me |
| 21:34.25 | nevcairiel | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Helix/AtlasInfo.lua |
| 21:34.27 | p3lim | I'll just try a few of them out |
| 21:34.35 | p3lim | thanks |
| 21:34.42 | nevcairiel | it includes the references to the images they use |
| 21:34.51 | nevcairiel | so you could look them up on an extracted artwork pack |
| 21:35.31 | p3lim | it's something atleast :] |
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