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| 00:15.24 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 00:15.34 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 00:15.46 | Fisker | :) |
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| 01:27.14 | Aftermathh | Could anyone tell me why this is happening? |
| 01:27.18 | Aftermathh | http://imgur.com/a/uKGlh |
| 01:28.10 | Aftermathh | https://hastebin.com/alasicaqay.lua |
| 01:32.28 | Gethe_ | Aftermathh: you have the buttons anchored from left to right at line 27 |
| 01:34.14 | Gethe_ | if you want it vertical like your BG it would have to be TOP and BOTTOM |
| 01:34.51 | Aftermathh | I want the BG to be left to right |
| 01:35.48 | Gethe_ | then switch the height and width at the top |
| 01:39.23 | Aftermathh | Thank you, that makes sense :D |
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| 02:40.39 | Statharas | I'm trying to save a tga with transparency to use with an addon, but it keeps appearing green - the TGA itself is white and loses the alpha channel |
| 02:40.42 | Statharas | any ideas? |
| 02:41.02 | Statharas | and layer content |
| 02:47.45 | Statharas | okay, the channel is there but texture is still green |
| 02:58.10 | Statharas | nevermind, for some reason my brain decided that 255=256 |
| 03:05.53 | Semlar | glad we could help |
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| 05:45.52 | mckenziemc1 | hugs Cairenn. |
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| 06:39.42 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc1 |
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| 07:24.17 | Kalroth | o/ |
| 07:37.42 | mckenziemc1 | hugs Kalroth. |
| 07:46.18 | Kalroth | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uGnENk7GUI |
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| 11:20.08 | Aftermathh | Could anyone tell me why this is happenig? Pic: http://imgur.com/a/uZ8um Code: https://hastebin.com/roqazidofu.sql |
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| 16:55.55 | Narwhaal | what the fuck why is it seequel and why is it hastebin |
| 16:58.23 | TheDanW | p3lim: not sure, haven't worked in that system much |
| 17:01.39 | Narwhaal | you in the right channel ? |
| 17:11.24 | mckenziemc1 | o.o |
| 17:17.51 | Narwhaal | 0.0 |
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| 17:38.40 | poke64 | question, would it be possible to use a LUA IRC library and integrate it with the wow chat window? |
| 17:39.56 | Narwhaal | nope |
| 17:40.03 | Narwhaal | well yea if you inject |
| 17:40.05 | Narwhaal | but then u ban |
| 17:40.22 | poke64 | okay, so only the exposed API's can be called you can't load an external library |
| 17:40.25 | poke64 | ? |
| 17:40.53 | Narwhaal | no, it's just not possible to connect to IRC in WoW Lua instance |
| 17:41.58 | poke64 | it just dawned on me you can't connect to a remote server from an addon. Sorry, I'm new to this. |
| 17:42.16 | Narwhaal | np |
| 17:42.21 | Narwhaal | we're all new |
| 17:42.26 | Narwhaal | just varying levels of new-ness |
| 17:42.40 | poke64 | haha, well thanks for answering my question :) |
| 17:42.49 | Narwhaal | nps |
| 17:42.56 | Narwhaal | I'm pretty sure you can call to a URL tho |
| 17:43.16 | Narwhaal | oh nvm |
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| 18:01.24 | Narwhaal | ok so I've never tried this but has the WoW API allowed access to debug.* ever ? |
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| 18:05.24 | Narwhaal | apparently not |
| 18:05.37 | Narwhaal | RIP my lambda function |
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| 18:16.33 | nevcairiel | a few select functions are exported in the global namespace, but generally no |
| 18:19.05 | Narwhaal | nevcairiel: I kinda needed it tho |
| 18:19.09 | Narwhaal | but I can do without |
| 18:24.50 | Simca__ | sometimes additional debug functionality is exposed in early alphas |
| 18:24.53 | Lejving | hmm you can't edit files in WTF anymore? wow restores anything I change :( |
| 18:25.06 | Simca__ | you can't edit it while the game is running. |
| 18:25.18 | Lejving | you used to |
| 18:25.41 | Lejving | I remember editing x and y cords and just reloading ui for dumb addons that doesn't give me the option to |
| 18:25.51 | Lejving | but now it seems that it just rollsback |
| 18:25.51 | Simca | WoW writes out its settings to WTF before it reads them in, so it depends on addon |
| 18:26.23 | Simca | if the addon in question never writes to the lua file, only reads (i.e. TSM's auction data) |
| 18:26.29 | Simca | then it works |
| 18:26.37 | Lejving | the addon in question was skada |
| 18:26.46 | Lejving | I tried to change x pos but it just rollsback |
| 18:26.58 | Simca | yeah it probably is writing it first |
| 18:27.10 | Simca | really isn't any way around that except to exit game first |
| 18:27.21 | Simca | or disable skada ingame |
| 18:27.23 | Simca | then reload |
| 18:27.27 | Lejving | hmm |
| 18:27.29 | Simca | then edit, then enable, then reload |
| 18:27.33 | Lejving | that sounds faster though |
| 18:27.34 | Lejving | thanks |
| 18:27.56 | Simca | yep np |
| 18:28.49 | Lejving | yeah editing it with the addon disabled, then enabling it again worked |
| 18:28.51 | Lejving | ty a lot |
| 18:29.03 | Narwhaal | off-topic, can anyone make nitroglycerin ? |
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| 18:35.49 | Simca | i'm sure somebody somewhere can |
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| 18:44.15 | Narwhaal | I can but I was wanting a review on my method |
| 18:45.15 | Lejving | relax there heisenburg |
| 18:45.28 | Narwhaal | >.< |
| 18:47.13 | Thunder_Child | Wasn't someone around here a demo expert? |
| 18:47.57 | nevcairiel | mikma, but i doubt they make their own stuff |
| 18:48.09 | nevcairiel | nor would they use nitroglycerin =p |
| 18:48.31 | Narwhaal | I use it for mining |
| 18:48.38 | Lejving | bitcoin? |
| 18:48.55 | Thunder_Child | Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean you don't know about it. |
| 18:49.01 | Narwhaal | no |
| 18:52.14 | nikna | nevcairiel: wot |
| 18:52.40 | nikna | nevcairiel: why make nitro when you can make napalm with two ingredients |
| 18:53.30 | Thunder_Child | Because napalm is not good for putting holes in rock. |
| 18:53.38 | mikma | neither is nitro |
| 18:53.46 | mikma | you need ammoniumnitrate |
| 18:56.54 | Stanzilla | can we talk about tuna again instead? |
| 18:56.58 | Stanzilla | wait that was the other channel |
| 18:57.17 | Maldivia | tuna... you mean mercury ? :D |
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| 18:58.21 | Stanzilla | no, tuna. |
| 18:59.24 | mikma | http://mikma.reaktio.net/louhinta/pkmm_23032016.avi |
| 18:59.26 | mikma | boom :P |
| 19:00.06 | nevcairiel | thats also not good for making holes into rocks |
| 19:00.13 | nevcairiel | you made the entire rock go away |
| 19:01.15 | mikma | if you're planning on putting holes in rocks, you need a drill. not explosives. because that's what the explosives will do, make the rock go away |
| 19:02.17 | mikma | there is either two options with explosive: a) you don't put it enough and it'll choke to it's death when trying to detonate, b) boom, rock is gone. |
| 19:04.48 | Thunder_Child | I think you can also use directional explosive as a primer for the main explosives in lieu of a drill. |
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| 19:11.59 | Narwhaal | mikma: that's exactly what I need it for |
| 19:12.01 | Narwhaal | I'm mining in a mountain |
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| 19:50.21 | mikma | narwhaal: good luck |
| 19:50.35 | Narwhaal | tx |
| 19:50.44 | Narwhaal | btw https://fb-s-b-a.akamaihd.net/h-ak-xap1/v/t31.0-8/17191845_1408216012533835_876773275040927178_o.jpg?oh=ec4e01b2b9f9ccfb39c3ad90d1c7bda1&oe=595F3032&__gda__=1499607580_35bb707f6797827ec0a21166fe1e1b4b |
| 19:50.56 | Narwhaal | this is why I'm mining |
| 19:52.01 | mikma | What you need is a laserdrill |
| 19:52.27 | Narwhaal | I live in africa |
| 19:52.28 | mikma | death star has one, maybe they'll lend it to you |
| 19:52.33 | Narwhaal | I can't afford that |
| 19:52.39 | Narwhaal | I can afford the amazing nitrogen |
| 19:52.42 | Narwhaal | and I can afford the amazing glycerin |
| 19:53.02 | Narwhaal | rather I can afford water and glycerin |
| 19:54.40 | mikma | well only problem with that is the fact that you will end up killing yourself, so it was nice to meet you |
| 19:55.40 | Narwhaal | I mean I wont be making more than ~ 5ml of the stuff at a time |
| 19:56.00 | Narwhaal | and if it's in water and cooled down there's a low possibility that it will go off |
| 20:05.13 | Thunder_Child | I suspect that's less, not low. |
| 20:06.30 | Narwhaal | less rather yes |
| 20:06.38 | Narwhaal | sry, english not my native language |
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| 21:04.32 | Andols | How would mining give you a better connection? |
| 21:11.12 | Narwhaal | it won't |
| 21:11.16 | Narwhaal | but it gives me a hobby |
| 21:11.48 | znf | Narwhaal, what the fuck |
| 21:17.10 | Narwhaal | what |
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| 21:19.33 | znf | do you get your internet 1 pigeon at a time? |
| 21:27.39 | znf | kullervo, OH MY GOD I FINALLY GOT 30000 COMPETITIVE POINTS |
| 21:27.41 | znf | golden balls! |
| 21:30.31 | kullervo | znf: you know it'd be a lot easier to just get 3k for season end reward :^) |
| 21:30.55 | znf | yes... |
| 21:30.56 | znf | but I suck.. |
| 21:38.33 | Narwhaal | znf: haha |
| 21:39.41 | Gnarfoz | mikma: 2017, interlaced video, why :( |
| 21:40.23 | nevcairiel | old-ass handheld camera probably |
| 21:40.56 | nevcairiel | (not that every phone from the last 5 years would have a better camera, noo) |
| 21:41.13 | Narwhaal | it's *five. years* |
| 21:41.17 | Narwhaal | what do you expect |
| 21:41.23 | Gnarfoz | camera might have better optics ^^ |
| 21:41.44 | znf | mikma, who does .avi in 2017?! |
| 21:41.49 | znf | mikma, who does .avi in 2016? |
| 21:42.00 | Narwhaal | everyone |
| 21:42.04 | znf | and why isn't that container dead already |
| 21:42.08 | nevcairiel | you would be surprised, people create all sorts of crappy video files every day |
| 21:42.34 | Gnarfoz | znf: at least it wasn't .mov |
| 21:42.38 | Narwhaal | avi is amazing |
| 21:42.42 | Narwhaal | just like .mov |
| 21:42.47 | znf | .mov is pretty good, actually |
| 21:42.49 | znf | as containers go |
| 21:42.58 | nevcairiel | avi is crap, but its supported by a lot of things so people use it |
| 21:43.04 | Gnarfoz | mkv or bust :P |
| 21:43.10 | znf | .mp4 is/was based on .mov |
| 21:43.20 | nevcairiel | except actually standardized =p |
| 21:43.46 | nevcairiel | with mov it usually goes "do whatever quicktime does" |
| 21:43.52 | nevcairiel | mp4 has a spec you can read! |
| 21:44.01 | Narwhaal | nonono mp4 is based on mp3 |
| 21:44.07 | znf | but I'll take .mov over .avi any time |
| 21:44.10 | Narwhaal | mp5 is the 3D version of mp4 |
| 21:44.12 | znf | at least you can have meta-data in .mov |
| 21:44.51 | nevcairiel | you can also put some limited metadata in avi, but metadata in video files is usually pointless anyway, barely anything reads it, and writing often requires re-writing the entire file, which is no fun |
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| 21:45.43 | znf | remember that .avi doesn't even do streaming |
| 21:45.49 | znf | or attachments |
| 21:45.52 | nevcairiel | neither does mov |
| 21:45.56 | nevcairiel | streaming is special |
| 21:46.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm certain there's clients capable of streaming avi |
| 21:47.06 | nevcairiel | the format probably allows basic streaming, since its front-loaded and interleaved |
| 21:47.07 | Gnarfoz | doesn't mean it's a good idea or fun |
| 21:47.16 | nevcairiel | but its definitely not designed for it |
| 21:47.26 | znf | I'm pretty sure .mov does both streaming AND attachment |
| 21:47.45 | nevcairiel | attachments probably, but no streaming |
| 21:47.54 | znf | AVI doesn't do a lot of crap without 3rd party modifications, according to Wikipedia's comparision |
| 21:47.56 | znf | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_container_formats |
| 21:48.04 | nevcairiel | mov has the file "headers" at the end typically, which is bad for streaming =p |
| 21:48.31 | nevcairiel | and that table is full of lies |
| 21:49.06 | nevcairiel | not even plain mp4 does streaming, they invented a crazy extension called "fMP4", or fragmented MP4, w hich basically slices it into an endless stream of tiny individual mp4 files that then get streamed |
| 21:49.14 | Gnarfoz | the 3rd column is really all you need to look at, considering MKV does basically everything |
| 21:49.36 | znf | the headers part is very important :P |
| 21:49.43 | znf | remember "rebuilding avi index"? |
| 21:49.43 | znf | :D |
| 21:49.54 | nevcairiel | bad software writes broken files |
| 21:49.57 | Gnarfoz | not really, I didn't break my files a lot |
| 21:50.01 | nevcairiel | can also break mkv files or what have you |
| 21:50.16 | znf | not talking about breaking |
| 21:50.21 | znf | but playing a partially downloaded file, for example |
| 21:50.28 | Gnarfoz | just free the streams from their aiv prison and put them in nice, clean mkvs |
| 21:50.30 | znf | you can't reliably do that with .avi |
| 21:50.37 | znf | .mov .mkv .mp4 work |
| 21:50.38 | nevcairiel | most formats have issues with partial downloads |
| 21:50.40 | Gnarfoz | s/aiv/avi/ |
| 21:51.01 | nevcairiel | a partially downloaded mp4 will likely not work at all, since like i said the header is typicalyl at the end of the file |
| 21:51.12 | nevcairiel | unless someone took very good care and moved it to the front in a second pass |
| 21:51.15 | Gnarfoz | wasn't that mov |
| 21:51.18 | nevcairiel | both |
| 21:51.21 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 21:51.32 | nevcairiel | mkv has the main headers in the front, but the seeking index is at the end |
| 21:51.46 | nevcairiel | so if you try to seek a partial mkv, it'll usually take much longer then with an index |
| 21:51.58 | znf | I remember that there's some sort of hack to get mp4 to write headers at the start |
| 21:52.13 | nevcairiel | you can "guess" how much space your header is going to need and reserve it |
| 21:52.29 | nevcairiel | or do a second pass and finish the file and then move the header to the front |
| 21:52.46 | znf | ie: -movflags faststart |
| 21:53.35 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: seek information is in the beginning of an mkv |
| 21:53.41 | nevcairiel | wrong |
| 21:53.48 | znf | I'm pretty sure nevcairiel knows better :D |
| 21:53.55 | znf | I trust him on video shit |
| 21:54.10 | znf | mostly because https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters |
| 21:54.12 | nevcairiel | seek information is variable size, it depends on the length of a movie, so the majority of muxers put it at the end |
| 21:54.32 | nevcairiel | since they dont necessarily know how big its going to be before they start |
| 21:54.35 | nevcairiel | you can put it anywhere |
| 21:54.42 | Gnarfoz | but you could theoretically do the same thing as with mp4 and put it in the front after the fact? |
| 21:54.50 | nevcairiel | you could |
| 21:54.54 | Gnarfoz | i.e. rewrite the whole file just for that |
| 21:54.55 | nevcairiel | not seen anything that does however |
| 21:55.05 | znf | nevcairiel, well, ffmpeg does? |
| 21:55.09 | nevcairiel | not for mkv |
| 21:55.37 | nevcairiel | mov/mp4 is different because the entire header usually goes at the end, so its much more important |
| 21:55.54 | nevcairiel | for mkv its just the seeking index, file plays without it and could be rebuild if its lost |
| 21:57.07 | nevcairiel | not sure if some tools would just put the seeking index to the front if they know they are just remuxing an existing file |
| 21:59.40 | nevcairiel | the first mkv i had under my cursor, http://i.imgur.com/VeQ4fnr.png .. main info and track info is at the beginning (seek heads at 4099 and 4235) .. cues (the seeking index) and metadata tags at the end with some huge position info |
| 22:02.27 | nevcairiel | (since its all simply reference by position in the file, it might be anywhere, but anywhere but the end or beginning would be crazy :p) |
| 22:03.20 | Maldivia | so the information if where to seek, in order to find the seek, is in the beginning :D |
| 22:03.50 | nevcairiel | its a bit confusing that its also called "seek", but thats basically just an index where to find the info in the file |
| 22:04.10 | Maldivia | but yeah, checked like a few files here, and the actual seek data was also in the end :D |
| 22:08.28 | Maldivia | that being said, partial mkv files are a lot easier to seek without it, than mp4 files :D |
| 22:08.51 | nevcairiel | partial mp4 files, if they havent had their header moved to the front, are basically random useless data |
| 22:08.53 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:08.58 | Maldivia | yep |
| 22:10.52 | nevcairiel | not like mkv is a perfect format, it lacks proper specs and standardization (although efforts are under way to standardize it at IETF), and it has a whole bunch of anti-features that maybe one player or so supports, but practically no player all of them (luckily some of those are being pruned in the standardization effort) |
| 22:12.30 | Gnarfoz | weird, I'd have expected quality-focused people to use up to date everything, but I guess mkvmerge from 2015 is also fine (obviously not quality related itself) |
| 22:12.43 | Gnarfoz | (just looking at random movie) |
| 22:12.59 | Gnarfoz | (also cues at the end of the file) |
| 22:13.56 | znf | So... |
| 22:14.00 | znf | Has anyone heard of this? http://drinkbox.ro/shop/liqueur/tatratea/tatratea-set |
| 22:14.03 | znf | tatratea, liqueuer |
| 22:14.12 | znf | they have a range of 22% to 72% alcohol |
| 22:14.14 | znf | never heard of it |
| 22:14.33 | Gnarfoz | sound vaguely romanian |
| 22:14.43 | Gnarfoz | ah, slovakian |
| 22:15.24 | Gnarfoz | http://www.tatratea.com/ro/ there you go, my Google-handicapped friend |
| 22:17.48 | znf | ... |
| 22:17.55 | znf | that's not what I was asking |
| 22:18.01 | znf | question is - has anyone tried that? |
| 22:41.07 | nevcairiel | never even heard of it |
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