| 00:03.54 | Freddie | 1.5 years seems like some successful DRM |
| 00:07.27 | nebula | pretty sure if it's not cracked in the first month or two they consider it a success |
| 00:08.09 | nebula | i assume it was denuvo? wonder if that means the chinese figured it out |
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| 00:41.20 | Stanzilla | denuvo has been cracked a few times before |
| 00:47.46 | nebula | well yea, but nothing universal |
| 00:49.09 | TheDanW | p3lim, Kesava: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753425442 |
| 00:49.46 | Kesava | thanks :D |
| 00:49.59 | Kesava | this keeps me happy. |
| 00:52.25 | nebula | TheDanW: so that means there's no changing/attaching to friendly nameplates at all in raids? |
| 00:52.50 | nebula | annoying ass russians |
| 00:54.15 | TheDanW | that is correct |
| 00:54.35 | TheDanW | the first part anyway, no comment on the second |
| 00:55.45 | pompy | "Local alerts from WZZY 98.3 FM regarding a zombie attack and disease outbreak from deceased bodies is a result of the radio station alerting system being hacked. There is no local emergency. We have contacted the radio station and notified the Indiana Department of Homeland Security. Again there is no emergency or disease outbreak in Randolph County." |
| 00:57.58 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 01:03.43 | [TOM_RUS] | RIP nameplates |
| 01:05.12 | mckenziemc | ~TheDanW++ |
| 01:07.31 | TheDanW | the tools are in place to completely lock them down, lets hope it doesn't come to that |
| 01:07.39 | Kesava | yes pls |
| 01:08.13 | nebula | first you actually make them easy to work with, then you take it all away? that's cold |
| 01:08.17 | mckenziemc | cracks Kesava. |
| 01:08.19 | tz | wonders how long it'll be until friendly units can't have target markers on them :( |
| 01:08.31 | Stanzilla | Kesava already burned out from having to tell with boss mod issues this patch |
| 01:08.54 | Stanzilla | s/tell/deal/ |
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| 01:14.15 | tz | grrr @ WoW's mouse capture on mouse-click-held |
| 01:14.28 | Kesava | you're looking at the sky now! |
| 01:14.40 | tz | ha |
| 01:16.01 | tz | I wrote an app that puts a big ring around my mouse so I can tell where it is (too many screens) - WoW moves the cursor to the middle of its screen when holding down a mouse button and the ring follows it there >_< |
| 01:16.45 | _Kee | addon that puts tank icon over tank's head in dungeon will no longer work? |
| 01:17.02 | tz | seems that way |
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| 01:21.59 | TheDanW | raid icons have not changed |
| 01:22.04 | TheDanW | so you can still do that |
| 01:22.22 | TheDanW | you just can't display them in anyway but the default on friendly targets |
| 01:33.26 | tz | prophecy: 2 years from now, due to abuse, all addons will be disabled in dungeons and raids ;) |
| 01:35.01 | Thunder_Child | Doubt it. That would have happened years ago. |
| 01:35.17 | Kesava | well, just disable combat/unit events and make it so addons can only skin the default ui. like the way nameplates used to work. |
| 01:35.20 | Kesava | that'd fix it. |
| 01:35.45 | Funkeh` | how about no? :D |
| 01:36.08 | mckenziemc | quick, disable tz |
| 01:36.17 | tz | way ahead of you buddy |
| 01:39.08 | _Kee | disables tz |
| 01:46.06 | pompy | rip twitch |
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| 03:21.57 | Funkeh` | TheDanW, btw is this more of a temporary system, are you looking into implementing some form of nameplate "template" feature next exp? |
| 03:23.25 | nebula | TheDanW: would you guys consider adding an option to class color the names of friendly units in a group? i'd wager for most people friendly health bars is too cluttering so being able to color the names is a happy middle ground |
| 03:32.48 | fewyn | so i'm looking for a set of dice for d&d... been borrowing some the last couple game nights... any suggestions? |
| 03:33.42 | Thunder_Child | It's pretty subjective. |
| 03:34.23 | Thunder_Child | Although I would suggest not getting the solid metal ones. They make a ton of noise rolling and are heavy enough to dent playing surfaces. |
| 03:35.48 | pnorman | I've been looking at making some tungsten d6, which are over twice the mass of steel |
| 03:37.26 | Thunder_Child | Areogel dice. |
| 03:38.11 | xyphoid | i'd just grab a chessex set, metals are super annoying |
| 03:38.17 | fewyn | chessex? |
| 03:38.49 | fewyn | https://www.amazon.com/Chessex/b/ref=bl_dp_s_web_2587153011?ie=UTF8&node=2587153011&field-lbr_brands_browse-bin=Chessex |
| 03:40.13 | xyphoid | yeah, they're fine for play and cheap, unless you want to do something fancy. |
| 03:40.30 | xyphoid | but most fancy dice just get annoying in place in direct proportion to how fancy they are |
| 03:41.35 | xyphoid | i play wargames with people who use these: http://photos05.redcart.pl/templates/images/thumb/9868/432/600/en/0/templates/images/products/9868/48ca4cab55eb68c97d4184344f8a3a74.jpg and they're *super* annoying |
| 03:42.51 | fewyn | hrm |
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| 04:13.26 | mckenziemc | First line of email: "Please do NOT reply to this automated message" Last line: "If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message." |
| 04:20.05 | Gethe | so I made a super basic GUI for the new API docs addon. Any feedback would be welcome. https://github.com/Gethe/wow-api-docs |
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| 04:48.06 | ls- | Gethe: noice <3 |
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| 06:07.15 | ls- | TheDanW: there's an issue w/ new forbidden nameplates, if ANY addon, even the simplest one, .toc + .lua w/ "local F = CreateFrame("Frame", "!TESTFRAME", UIParent)" in it, is enabled, /fstack will causing spamming this error: "...e\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua:752: FrameStackHighlight:SetPoint(): Attempt to access forbidden object from code tainted by an AddOn" |
| 06:07.49 | ls- | will start causing* ugh... good morning everyone T_T |
| 06:08.59 | ls- | or will start spamming*, whatever.. |
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| 06:37.55 | Andols2 | Good morning |
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| 09:42.10 | znf | https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615133023#1 |
| 09:42.12 | znf | what the fuck |
| 09:42.31 | znf | Kesava, that means names only nameplates will stop working properly in dungeons and raids? |
| 09:42.45 | Shockah|Work | "When you zone into a raid or dungeon, only your friendly nameplates (if enabled) will be forced to use the standard Blizzard appearance" |
| 09:42.52 | Shockah|Work | (blue post below that one) |
| 09:43.10 | znf | I've read that, obviously |
| 09:43.21 | znf | their fucking nameplates suck balls |
| 09:43.23 | Shockah|Work | name-only nameplates are still nameplates, right? |
| 09:43.25 | znf | they looking horribly out of place |
| 09:43.28 | Shockah|Work | yep |
| 09:43.37 | znf | this is fucking horrible |
| 09:43.44 | Shockah|Work | so anyone who actually liked name-only nameplates is gonna cry now |
| 09:43.48 | nevcairiel | why the fuck do you even use friendly nameplates |
| 09:43.51 | nevcairiel | just disable them and live on |
| 09:43.59 | Shockah|Work | some people liked them |
| 09:44.02 | znf | because I just gotten used to them in 7.0, and they were really nice |
| 09:44.16 | nevcairiel | what practical purpose do they serve other then "being nice"? |
| 09:44.19 | znf | being able to ACTUALLY READ someone's name while in a raid/dungeon |
| 09:44.30 | znf | not having some fucked up clumped shit of names when you stop showing them |
| 09:44.39 | nevcairiel | i disable names entirely |
| 09:44.42 | nevcairiel | its not relevant information |
| 09:44.53 | znf | it is for me |
| 09:44.58 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 09:45.11 | Shockah|Work | i can imagine it being nice for raid leaders so you can quickly notice who fucked up some mechanic |
| 09:45.15 | znf | because I want to see who the fuck doesn't move out of the fire |
| 09:45.18 | Shockah|Work | haha |
| 09:45.32 | nevcairiel | znf is not even a proper raider, nevermind being able to lead anything =p |
| 09:48.05 | znf | Kesava's names-only appearance makes them nameplates actually useful |
| 09:48.10 | znf | just replace the whole fucking system |
| 09:49.02 | Shockah|Work | how would you lock Exorsus-scale modifications without locking appearance changing ones? |
| 09:49.12 | nevcairiel | the answer is, you can't |
| 09:49.19 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 09:49.37 | Shockah|Work | it sucks but eh, not much you can do |
| 09:49.44 | Shockah|Work | or rather, nothing you can do |
| 09:50.00 | nevcairiel | they would need to design some complicated new system to lock it down "half" or something |
| 09:51.50 | nevcairiel | an easier answer would be to just make the unit names class colored and proper readable, optionally, then you dont even need nameplates |
| 09:52.00 | znf | It's retarded that they disable the customization because it somehow affects Mythic raiding |
| 09:52.32 | znf | the unit names rendered in game are horrible, and as nevcairiel mentions, unreadable |
| 09:52.50 | znf | they also get affected by your antialising, for some reasons |
| 09:53.58 | nevcairiel | mythic raiders are just the first to use it |
| 09:54.05 | nevcairiel | next raid, DBM forces such features onto every scrub |
| 09:54.07 | VIad | nevcairiel: they fixed the friendly nameplate cheating on bosses :D |
| 09:54.25 | VIad | no more playing the game for you by telling you who/where to go to :d |
| 09:57.33 | znf | I'd argue that people needing solutions like this is a confirmation that they failed on encounter design |
| 09:57.48 | VIad | but it is a shame they use a quick and dirty approach, just disable all friendly nameplate customizations when you enter raid, not only during combat or something :( |
| 09:58.19 | nevcairiel | znf: thats a cheap excuse |
| 09:58.38 | nevcairiel | mythic raiders will use every tiny edge they can get if it means they can cut down learning by a few tries |
| 09:59.03 | Semlar | "tiny" |
| 09:59.13 | znf | poor Semlar :( |
| 09:59.15 | znf | wait |
| 09:59.25 | znf | that means I won't be able to use Crosshairs for friendly nameplates, either |
| 09:59.36 | znf | what the fuck, Semlar |
| 09:59.39 | nevcairiel | not in raids |
| 09:59.50 | znf | or dungeons! LFD is serious business |
| 09:59.53 | VIad | hope they add more cvar for modifications :) |
| 09:59.58 | Semlar | i take no responsibility for this |
| 10:00.05 | VIad | like if you only wanna see name of the friendly units, no bar |
| 10:00.18 | VIad | I mean this is just so its easier to see who is where, right? http://files.enjin.com/1287839/WoWScrnShot_100516_010749.jpg |
| 10:00.50 | Semlar | i was drawing on nameplates before it was cool |
| 10:00.55 | Shockah|Work | i guess they could lock it out in raid + combat instead of just raid |
| 10:01.16 | VIad | but they are using the easier approach, just check if you are in a raid instance or not ,_, |
| 10:01.22 | znf | I just want to keep the ability to show UI rendered font, not game-engine-rendered font, at a specific size, with a nice readable outline, and class-colored |
| 10:01.30 | znf | don't even need fancy healthbar progress |
| 10:02.00 | VIad | raid + encounter check would be better, along with freezing the nameplate appearance and only allow type SetValue changes |
| 10:02.10 | VIad | but how to stop SetText and such? ugh |
| 10:03.29 | VIad | I wonder if they coded this on C or lua side - how can blizz tell what widgets to hide, show, and so on? I mean they know their own, so they just do a recursive child search of the nameplates and forcefully hide those widgets C-side? |
| 10:03.51 | VIad | like anything not theirs, hide if child of nameplate frame |
| 10:04.04 | Semlar | they just disable you from anchoring to or detecting the presence of the frame |
| 10:04.22 | VIad | but if you login you already setup your frames right? |
| 10:04.31 | VIad | then you play some and enter a raid after a while |
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| 10:04.48 | VIad | the nameplate frames are already altered with custom text, bars hidden, and so on |
| 10:05.08 | Semlar | and then they say "you can't anchor to this frame" and your modifications all fall off |
| 10:07.32 | nevcairiel | they have had the concept of "forbidden" frames a long time now, mostly used for the real-money shop UI |
| 10:07.35 | nevcairiel | addosn cant touch those |
| 10:07.51 | nevcairiel | so in a raid friendly nameplates are created as such |
| 10:08.24 | Semlar | although if they're planning on doing this transparently then they must have implemented something that can revert everything back to how it was |
| 10:08.38 | VIad | aha, ok. thought nameplate frames are reused and updated visually to match their current use. but I guess they'd have to, in the raid env, swap out so they behave differently yes, and don't re-use old nameplate frames |
| 10:08.51 | Semlar | or potentially create two sets of nameplates |
| 10:08.53 | nevcairiel | Semlar: the nameplate API just splits between the two types |
| 10:08.55 | foxlit | psst, it's viad. Any explanation is going to begin with "that's not how any of this works" |
| 10:08.56 | VIad | could use special frames for raid friendly only units? |
| 10:09.24 | nevcairiel | so yeah there is two sets of nameplates |
| 10:09.28 | nevcairiel | normal and forbidden ones |
| 10:10.09 | Semlar | that would probably be the simplest way to do it, just stop using the previous nameplates and start using special ones for the raid |
| 10:10.18 | Semlar | and then when you leave revert to the other system |
| 10:10.57 | VIad | are these special frames taintable? |
| 10:11.04 | VIad | I doubt it, like store frame |
| 10:11.13 | Semlar | presumably not something you can even access |
| 10:12.43 | nevcairiel | if you were to taint the nameplate api, you could probably break it entirely |
| 10:13.11 | nevcairiel | but its pretty self-contained, so you would have to go directly into the nameplate fuinctions and hook something insecurely or something |
| 10:14.30 | ls- | Semlar: "or potentially create two sets of nameplates" that's exactly what they do :p |
| 10:14.51 | ls- | they create NamePlate* and ForbiddenNamePlate* frames :p |
| 10:15.29 | Semlar | seeeecret nameplates |
| 10:15.39 | nevcairiel | no, not secret |
| 10:15.44 | Semlar | SECRET |
| 10:15.47 | nevcairiel | you can see them and know they are there |
| 10:15.51 | nevcairiel | but you cant just touch them |
| 10:15.58 | Semlar | no touching? |
| 10:15.59 | nevcairiel | just cant* |
| 10:16.01 | ls- | VIad: if you try to do anything to it, even attach a texture to it via `SetPoint`, you'll get an error :p |
| 10:16.14 | ls- | Semlar: no touching :p |
| 10:16.17 | ls- | literally T_T |
| 10:16.19 | nevcairiel | the only thing you can do to a forbidden frame is ask it if its forbidden |
| 10:16.28 | ls- | atm even /fstack can't touch them :D |
| 10:16.29 | nevcairiel | the only API call that doesnt error |
| 10:16.58 | Semlar | they should get rid of speech bubbles in raids |
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| 10:18.57 | Semlar | i mean |
| 10:19.06 | Semlar | essentially |
| 10:19.21 | Semlar | you could make an addon that spammed the chat with coded messages |
| 10:19.31 | Semlar | and then style the chat bubbles |
| 10:19.40 | Semlar | hang on this is genius |
| 10:20.29 | Semlar | somebody get on that |
| 10:23.09 | vnc_ | +1 |
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| 10:39.02 | VIad | Semlar: speech bubbles have been used, and still are used :p |
| 10:39.29 | Semlar | not as replacements for friendly nameplates |
| 10:39.31 | VIad | only needs some tweaks, make them long enough to not hide too early. unsure if you can control fade time hmm |
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| 10:39.39 | VIad | nono, just for boss mechanics |
| 10:39.47 | VIad | like starbro match two and two together mechanic |
| 10:51.19 | ls- | TheDanW: could you add CVars like `nameplateShowEnemyNameAlways`, and `nameplateShowFriendlyNameAlways`? :p TBH, I agree w/ people that blue-ish rendered names are quite hard to see |
| 10:52.26 | VIad | bar on/off cvars too tbh :p |
| 10:52.42 | VIad | color name class color on/off |
| 10:53.38 | VIad | I am worried it's too late in the dev process for 7.2 to add any such cvars |
| 10:53.38 | Shockah|Work | soon they'll force disable all addons in raid environments |
| 10:54.13 | VIad | I'd hope not but always fear these nameplate ideas and such will be pushed back earliest 7.2.5 or 7.3 |
| 10:55.05 | ls- | TheDanW: as VIad said, something to toggle class colour in names would be helpful too :p |
| 11:07.17 | znf | Shockah|Work, next is removing keybinds |
| 11:07.31 | znf | it gives clickers an unfair disadvantage |
| 11:07.44 | Shockah|Work | our main tank is actually a clicker |
| 11:07.49 | ls- | :D |
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| 11:08.30 | Ellypse | And make putting markers on a target a protected function, so boss mods no longer can place them automatically, you'll have to click them manually :P |
| 11:08.50 | ls- | actually.... |
| 11:08.57 | znf | they will |
| 11:09.01 | ls- | that sounds like a good change :D |
| 11:09.10 | Ellypse | Oops⦠|
| 11:09.11 | znf | oh, and those fancy raid frames that healers are using? |
| 11:09.13 | znf | heh... |
| 11:09.16 | znf | about those... |
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| 11:10.51 | foxlit | patches UF addons to remove znf. Just znf. |
| 11:11.09 | znf | I'm ok with that |
| 11:11.38 | foxlit | next raid mechanic is damage-you-can't-live-through-without-professional-healing. |
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| 11:13.31 | znf | they should consider making all abilities do 1 damage |
| 11:13.42 | znf | call it 'number pruning' |
| 11:17.56 | nevcairiel | and players have 1 life as well? |
| 11:18.21 | _Kee | Does /^FORBIDDEN_NAME_PLATE_/ comes with /^NAME_PLATE_/ or instead of? |
| 11:18.33 | Shockah|Work | well actually often it's hard to see at a glance which mob is the important one (regarding automatically setting target markers) |
| 11:18.45 | Shockah|Work | i mean, even if you know which one to kill first |
| 11:19.02 | Shockah|Work | because they're goddamn stacked, you gotta find the one nameplate with the mob's name |
| 11:19.30 | foxlit | _Kee: only "instead of" makes sense. |
| 11:19.41 | _Kee | thanks |
| 11:19.42 | Shockah|Work | but i guess nameplate / boss mod addons could attach something to the nameplate? |
| 11:20.38 | znf | nevcairiel, do, players have up to 5 |
| 11:20.50 | znf | once in a while you can pick up a mushroom and it gets increased by 1 |
| 11:20.51 | nevcairiel | the raid markers are shown on nameplates anyhow |
| 11:20.57 | znf | but if you get hit, you permanently lose it |
| 11:21.11 | foxlit | I think this is a continuation of the "what if they protect raid markers" fantasy. |
| 11:23.55 | foxlit | (which really isn't going to happen; and the scenario where raid markers are protected but you still have hostile nameplates is like not-going-to-happen squared) |
| 11:25.11 | znf | I don't believe you |
| 11:32.29 | znf | oh, hey, new overwatch season |
| 11:32.36 | znf | why didn't you say anything, kullervo? |
| 11:33.24 | VIad | 100k AP should be 100g and 50k ap 50g and so on |
| 11:33.28 | VIad | atm all tokens 25g useless >_> |
| 11:34.07 | nevcairiel | thats not true, smaller tokens are only 5g or so |
| 11:36.55 | ls- | nevcairiel: it depends, I have [Brief History of the Aeons], it gives 18750AP, but costs 25g :p |
| 11:37.26 | ls- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.47 | nevcairiel | thats the item i just looked at |
| 11:40.56 | ls- | i think price depends on AP token's quality, epics cost 100g, rares cost 25g, and uncommon tokens cost 5g :p |
| 11:41.56 | nevcairiel | epics are exceedingly rare though |
| 11:42.03 | nevcairiel | a few quests or world boss WQs |
| 11:42.11 | nevcairiel | or the r are random drop .. which is still low in value |
| 11:43.24 | ls- | they are quite common if you PvP, hehe :p |
| 11:46.44 | VIad | I am just doing dungeon related stuff |
| 11:46.55 | VIad | seems dungeons and raids give 25g per token regardless of value on it |
| 11:49.09 | nevcairiel | i just shove them in my other weapons, not that i'm ever going to use them much |
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| 11:53.04 | znf | DRAW |
| 11:53.13 | znf | fuck your stupid capture the flag mode, overwatch |
| 12:03.07 | znf | hmm, also that new game browser has replaced the All Brawls option |
| 12:03.11 | znf | nice going there |
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| 12:06.36 | VIad | I can't even use them as all weapons capped atm so a bit lame it at least isnt giving more worth like, daily heroic vs raid bosses same gold value, different AP :p |
| 12:07.40 | Andols2 | For nameplates I think a good solution would be to be able to create a template that the forbidden nameplates follow, so you can customize them but not do any fancy stuff in combat |
| 12:11.44 | VIad | all interaction would need some sanitizing, as you can settext textures and such too ;d |
| 12:15.34 | ls- | Andols2: as I tried to explain to some users, it wouldn't solve much, people who come up w/ strategies, could, let's say, figure out how far/close people should stand from/to each other, then they'd tweak that template, and /reload UI to apply it. Obv it wouldn't be as responsive/smart as it is now, but it could potentially trivialise some mechanics... |
| 12:15.37 | ls- | so why even bother? |
| 12:17.22 | nevcairiel | having to reloadui mid-encounter on mythic seems rather impractical |
| 12:17.39 | nevcairiel | you might as well be dead already |
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| 12:21.00 | ls- | well, before encounter starts :p that's what I meant :p like do all adjustments before pull > /reload > pull . some tips, guides, markers are better than none, heh :p |
| 12:21.20 | ls- | I should stop using :p smiley T_T |
| 12:23.59 | ls- | TheDanW: http://i.imgur.com/nA7kXlL.jpg, here's the reason why I suggested to add those CVars. img isn't mine, but it shows the issue perfectly :D |
| 12:26.57 | ls- | well, suggested is a poor word choice ... more like asked :p |
| 12:33.10 | foxlit | ls-: I don't think that kind of pre-pull strategizing is what they actually want to kill. |
| 12:45.02 | ls- | foxlit: fair enough, but that's not what I meant, I said that custom templates for forbidden nameplates wouldn't solve anything and prob would (re)introduce some issues. |
| 12:48.47 | foxlit | they would solve *some* things, and it seems possible to do so without introducing any issues. |
| 12:49.25 | foxlit | (I wouldn't hold my breath, though, because the cost/benefit to doing it looks somewhat terrible.) |
| 12:50.43 | ls- | true |
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| 13:20.56 | tz | couldn't the nameplates be changed to allow attachment/modification of frames (relative SetPoint etc.), but inability to retrieve actual position on-screen instead? |
| 13:21.15 | tz | wouldn't that prevent wacky math from being used for that stuff? |
| 13:21.21 | Shockah|Work | that changes nothing in this case |
| 13:21.46 | Ellypse | You would still be able to link two nameplates together using the Line widget, like shown in Exorsus' video |
| 13:21.55 | Shockah|Work | top mythic guilds attached their own textures to nameplates depending on mechanics that were about to hit them / auras |
| 13:22.00 | Shockah|Work | etc |
| 13:22.43 | tz | I thought it was doing some backwards math to extrapolate positional information from nameplate screen position, never mind me |
| 13:23.25 | Ellypse | I think it does for arrows, but it's not needed for linking two players together |
| 13:25.04 | tz | shrugs |
| 13:25.07 | tz | time for some shuteye |
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| 13:50.32 | karl_w_w | https://i.imgur.com/3YkqLBq.gifv |
| 13:50.43 | karl_w_w | I guess that's what happens when you use fake jenga |
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| 14:28.45 | kullervo | karl_w_w: he cheated by using both hands |
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| 15:12.41 | Andols | Line widget? |
| 15:13.40 | Ellypse | Yup, it's a widget introduced in 7.0 for things like the artifact UI or the flight paths |
| 15:14.57 | Ellypse | You just set the Line left and right anchor to two frames and it is drawn and refreshed when the frames are moved I believe. You can animate the lines, set a texture on them, etc. |
| 15:16.10 | Ellypse | Line:SetStartPoint("CENTER", frame) and Line:SetEndPoint("CENTER", frame) actually |
| 15:17.31 | VIad | why can't I trade this item I got from our m+ run just now? http://i.imgur.com/DZdqvpK.png |
| 15:18.18 | Shockah|Work | bonus rolled? :SSS |
| 15:18.30 | znf | you can't bonus roll in M+? |
| 15:18.33 | Shockah|Work | (like anyone bonus rolls in mythic dungeons) |
| 15:18.35 | Ellypse | (Here's a link to the Line widget description in the UI.xsd https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/UI.xsd#572 if you want to see everything it can do) |
| 15:18.44 | Shockah|Work | i don't remember if you can in m+ |
| 15:18.53 | znf | you can't |
| 15:18.56 | Shockah|Work | i vaguely remember the UI asking me to, but it might have been on standard m |
| 15:19.00 | foxlit | it's an upgrade for you. |
| 15:19.08 | VIad | I looted it from the chest |
| 15:19.14 | znf | how is that an upgrade? he has an ilvl 900 item already |
| 15:19.17 | VIad | you see my equipped items |
| 15:19.19 | VIad | on the left side |
| 15:19.30 | Shockah|Work | he has TWO "better" items |
| 15:19.31 | foxlit | 9000 > 895. |
| 15:19.40 | foxlit | okay, wrong tooltip. |
| 15:19.56 | foxlit | then dunno, maybe the loot system hates your group. |
| 15:19.59 | VIad | :/ |
| 15:20.02 | VIad | gj blizz |
| 15:20.03 | znf | VIad, did you equip it by mistake? |
| 15:20.05 | VIad | no |
| 15:20.12 | znf | you're fucked |
| 15:20.23 | VIad | it went in my bags, then I moused it and no blue text for trade |
| 15:21.55 | foxlit | can you actually trade it? |
| 15:22.43 | foxlit | (because your tooltip is pretty non-standard, so who knows if some addon of yours is eating the "you can trade" line as a service.) |
| 15:23.11 | VIad | I tested, it said I can't trade soulbound items |
| 15:23.27 | VIad | was the first thing I did, actually try trading first to see :p |
| 15:26.57 | VIad | game is broken! |
| 15:27.51 | Phixion | :( |
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| 15:48.01 | Kesava | znf: yis |
| 15:48.18 | Kesava | i expect you've worked this out by now |
| 16:00.22 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â you probably don't have a higher ilvl item for one of the specs this item is obtainable by |
| 16:00.32 | Gnarfoz | the "has higher ilvl item" mechanic takes specs into account |
| 16:01.02 | Gnarfoz | retribution-only legendary doesn't count as "has higher ilvl item" for a slot if I get a protection loot spec item |
| 16:01.03 | VIad | Gnarfoz: ? |
| 16:01.30 | VIad | it dropped for my tank spec choice >_> |
| 16:01.35 | VIad | I am a tank |
| 16:01.47 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: more precisely, legendaries dont count for the "has higher ilvl" thing |
| 16:01.48 | VIad | I got tank trinkets |
| 16:02.00 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â hum? sure they do, if the spec matches |
| 16:02.04 | nevcairiel | no. |
| 16:02.11 | nevcairiel | I play only one single spec |
| 16:02.13 | nevcairiel | still happens |
| 16:02.22 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't line up with my experience |
| 16:02.47 | Gnarfoz | but since it's all reverse-guessworked, idk |
| 16:02.55 | nevcairiel | Also, set items are on their own pool as well, if you dont have a higher/equal set item on that slot yet, you cant trade it away, no matter what else you have |
| 16:03.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, set items are separate, that much was obvious after 1 week of NH ^^ |
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| 16:04.06 | nevcairiel | imho its easy to forget what kind of items you already had on your legendary slot and just vendored =p |
| 16:08.54 | Gnarfoz | quite confident I didn't have any 900 bracers before, or I'd be wearing them :D |
| 16:09.08 | Gnarfoz | speaking of which, I want some 900 bracers |
| 16:09.39 | Gnarfoz | see? my memory is terrible, I'm wearing some |
| 16:09.44 | Gnarfoz | must be new |
| 16:09.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:11.08 | Gnarfoz | I like that the item is called http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/134230/challenge-mode-jackpot in the armory ^^ |
| 16:21.40 | foxlit | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/134230/mildly-excited-squirrel ? |
| 16:26.26 | Gnarfoz | that's not what I was talking about. |
| 16:28.08 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.20 | Corv | So nameplates, eh? |
| 16:33.39 | ls- | yeah :p |
| 16:33.45 | ls- | that's expected... |
| 16:36.40 | Corv | Long time coming, I think. Has anyone poked the PTR to see how they implemented the lockdown? |
| 16:39.52 | foxlit | from very far away, it doesn't look like it'd work in the current build, but maybe there's magic. |
| 16:40.16 | ls- | it works now though... |
| 16:41.12 | ls- | damn.. |
| 16:41.20 | ls- | I tested it today for our oUF nameplate implementation :p |
| 16:42.18 | Gnarfoz | foxlit:Â it was about what name the armory picks when I click the item I'm wearing |
| 16:42.26 | Gnarfoz | if you just remove the itemname, it'll pick something else |
| 16:42.52 | Gnarfoz | (which seems like Just Another Armory Bug (tm)... they clearly have the actual item name available) |
| 16:43.02 | foxlit | it's not an *item* name. |
| 16:43.08 | Gnarfoz | I'm wearing an item with a name |
| 16:43.13 | Gnarfoz | are you disputing that |
| 16:43.51 | foxlit | The portion of the URL that you're calling an item name is used to figure out which upgrade to apply to the base item specified by ID in the url |
| 16:44.28 | ls- | Corv: when you enter an instance, 'ForbiddenNamePlate*'s will be spawned for all friendly units, but enemy units will still have normal 'NamePlate*'s. |
| 16:44.48 | Corv | Straight to forbidden. Gotcha, thanks. |
| 16:45.07 | ls- | obviously you can do anything w/ forbidden nameplates. |
| 16:45.37 | ls- | can't* |
| 16:45.41 | foxlit | question: what makes them forbidden? |
| 16:45.49 | ls- | T_T I'm hungry, sorry... |
| 16:47.32 | ls- | foxlit: iirm, nevcairiel said that the only method that didn't cause any errors was `:IsForbidden()` :D |
| 16:47.41 | ls- | iirc* |
| 16:47.47 | ls- | i'm really hungry T_T |
| 16:47.49 | foxlit | no, that's a different quesetion :) |
| 16:47.59 | Gnarfoz | foxlit:Â since you like being intentionally obtuse: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/blackmoore/Hooloofoo/advanced I'm wearing those bracers. The armory knows what they are and what to call them. When you click them, you end up at the URL I pasted. THAT'S ALL. |
| 16:48.23 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: you're also wearing these shoulders: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/138362/raid-heroic |
| 16:49.48 | foxlit | and these pants: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/138359/raid-normal |
| 16:50.11 | ls- | damn, now I want to know if it's true or not... T_T |
| 16:50.34 | foxlit | and the ptr is refusing to give me a proving grounds instance. |
| 16:52.47 | ls- | loooool |
| 16:53.17 | ls- | that's true, even IsProtected causes an error :p |
| 16:57.26 | ls- | wait... |
| 16:59.34 | nevcairiel | usually you would see that they are forbidden in the xml |
| 16:59.36 | nevcairiel | but its not here |
| 17:00.11 | nevcairiel | at least when it would use the forbidden state that was used before already, which belongs to :IsForbidden |
| 17:00.33 | nevcairiel | ie. https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Blizzard_StoreUI/Blizzard_StoreUI.xml uses <ScopedModifier forbidden="true" |
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| 17:00.41 | foxlit | it could cascade down from the actual frame, but that seems weird. |
| 17:01.31 | nevcairiel | i suppose it could |
| 17:01.48 | nevcairiel | i assume that cascades down like everything else |
| 17:02.03 | foxlit | protection cascades up, though. |
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| 17:02.23 | nevcairiel | makes sense for forbidden-ness to cascade in either direction |
| 17:02.30 | nevcairiel | or maybe only down? |
| 17:02.35 | nevcairiel | dont want to forbid uiparent |
| 17:02.58 | ls- | only down, I guess... |
| 17:03.04 | ls- | hm... |
| 17:03.35 | ls- | yeah, WorldFrame isn't forbidden :p |
| 17:03.38 | ls- | so only down.. |
| 17:03.52 | nevcairiel | but the base nameplate is created from C anyway, and if that wasnt forbidden it wouldnt solve anything |
| 17:04.02 | nevcairiel | so it has to just inherit down from there |
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| 17:17.57 | _Kee | I've made a basic radar to see teammates and enemies around me (because both dmb and bigwings displays just player nicks in range, instead of radar and I rather radar). |
| 17:17.57 | _Kee | But one thing is ugly, so⦠Q: How can I turn rectangles into circles? I am using 5pxÃ5px colored frames like here (left bottom corner): http://benio.me/pub/res/img/wow/radar.png |
| 17:18.44 | nevcairiel | need to use a circle texture |
| 17:19.35 | _Kee | ugh⦠is there any basic circle texture? Like "Interface\\Buttons\\WHITE8X8", but round one? |
| 17:23.08 | _Kee | ok, I'll make my own one then. Thanks for help, nevcairiel. |
| 17:31.19 | ls- | _Kee: Interface\MINIMAP\PartyRaidBlips, there you can find white ones :p I bet that texture is split into atlases... |
| 17:31.55 | ls- | if not, well, SetTexCoord to the rescue :p |
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| 17:34.16 | nevcairiel | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Helix/AtlasInfo.lua#3010 |
| 17:34.28 | nevcairiel | atlas for the blips |
| 17:35.44 | ls- | _Kee: texture:SetAtlas("WhiteCircle-RaidBlips") should work :p |
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| 17:48.41 | Andols | _Kee: How did you radar? |
| 17:53.47 | ls- | Andols: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2dwG3Lr49M |
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| 17:54.10 | ls- | these helped him a lot :p |
| 17:58.35 | _Kee | Andols: I got position from WorldFrame |
| 17:58.36 | _Kee | Others: thanks, worked, gonna toy with coloring it later, thanks again |
| 18:01.34 | _Kee | I used centre of nameplate coords from namePlateFrameBase: https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/master/Interface/AddOns/Blizzard_NamePlates/Blizzard_NamePlates.lua#L82 |
| 18:02.11 | _Kee | This way: http://pastebin.com/aBZBWB7v |
| 18:13.06 | nevcairiel | that wont work in instances in 7.2 anymore, just so you know |
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| 18:17.56 | _Kee | why? the added additional restrictions in 7.2? I red we can't modify friendly nameplates, but⦠we won't be able to read it's position in 7.2? |
| 18:19.28 | Gnarfoz | you won't be able to interact with friendly name plates in raids/dungeons in 7.2, period |
| 18:20.38 | _Kee | but I will still be able to get enemy nameplates position, right? |
| 18:21.12 | Gnarfoz | https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615133023#1 |
| 18:22.01 | _Kee | yeah, only friendly nameplates |
| 18:45.03 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: not sure yet, we've discussed some alternatives but nothing concrete |
| 18:45.31 | TheDanW | nebula: i'll forward it to UI design, seems reasonable to me |
| 18:46.09 | TheDanW | ls-: i'll take a look, thanks |
| 18:47.50 | TheDanW | ls-, VIad: i forwarded the suggestions to UI design |
| 18:48.08 | ls- | TheDanW: <3 |
| 18:50.11 | VIad | really, TheDanW? cool! |
| 18:52.04 | Funkeh` | TheDanW, well the fact that you are discussing alternatives is a good sign |
| 18:52.44 | ls- | TheDanW: could you please tell us about their decision? obv it's not going to happen right away :D |
| 18:56.27 | Fisker | trips and hugs Cairenn |
| 18:56.37 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 19:26.56 | Gnarfoz | cputhieves + addonprofiler is not a good idea |
| 19:28.07 | TheDanW | ls-: we're gathering feedback from many sources, we'll discuss it as a group at some point to figure out what we want to action on |
| 19:31.06 | ls- | TheDanW: thanks :p but that'd be a huge QoL improvement! |
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| 19:55.01 | Gnarfoz | addonprofiler itself seems to not be agood idea |
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| 21:32.12 | foxlit | in unrelated requests, I kind of need a trie in Lua. |
| 21:32.54 | p3lim | same reason I'm using kui right now, it's impossible to tell people apart in raids because the name is too blurry and I can't guess by character model because of toys |
| 21:34.35 | foxlit | (the actual problem is mapping positions in Lua code extracted from xml to actual lines in the presence of stuff like comments, cdata, and entities) |
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| 22:57.58 | Seerah | TheDanW: have you noticed if SetFormattedText is having an issue with the extremely large health pools of current bosses? A user reported this error: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10627-TipTop.html#comments which seems similar to the default UI bug from 2015 where the instance IDs were too large for 32-bit integers to handle. |
| 22:59.14 | Seerah | The relevant line of code (where args passed to SetFormattedText are exactly what they seem): |
| 22:59.15 | Seerah | ttHealth:SetFormattedText("%d / %d (%d%%)", hp, maxhp, per) |
| 23:12.21 | TheDanW | Seerah: yeah, 2147483647 is the max Lua integer on 32 bit :( i'll bring it up with gameplay |
| 23:12.47 | Seerah | Thanks :) |
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