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| 00:48.44 | kd3 | geez, when things break so badly you can't even update the service dashboard |
| 01:03.46 | Stanzilla | more like hosting the service dashboard on the same thing as the service |
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| 01:20.54 | pnorman | always a bad idea |
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| 01:44.59 | mckenziemc | Raspberry Pi Zero W: Out of Stock *shakes fist* |
| 01:45.22 | Thunder_Child | Should have ordered faster. |
| 01:47.12 | mckenziemc | i was busy visiting the Office of Beauracracy |
| 01:52.37 | mckenziemc | hmm, i guess $10 shipping isn't worth getting it now |
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| 07:25.46 | nevcairiel | silly curse, how often do i have to dismiss the banner with changed terms and whatnot before it leaves me alone |
| 07:35.12 | Simca | yeaaaaahhh |
| 07:35.20 | Simca | it's a different cookie for every curse site too |
| 07:35.33 | nevcairiel | i dismissed it like 5 times on blue.mmoc alone |
| 07:36.06 | nevcairiel | apparently its a twitch popup on that site even |
| 07:36.29 | Simca | dunno, it isn't sticking for me |
| 07:36.43 | Simca | tried a few different ways, wouldn't come back without a cookie clear |
| 07:37.04 | nevcairiel | i just have to close the browser and go to blue again |
| 07:37.06 | nevcairiel | and its bac |
| 07:37.25 | Simca | yeah i tried that too in chrome, no dice |
| 07:38.02 | nevcairiel | it writes a session cookie for me |
| 07:38.06 | nevcairiel | i can see it in the info panel |
| 07:39.16 | nevcairiel | much good a session cookie does for this |
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| 09:09.34 | keyboardturner | uh... hi. ._. I'm new here (and a novice addon developer)... Do a lot of people use this? |
| 09:10.17 | Shockah|Work | define: this |
| 09:10.37 | keyboardturner | IRC in general. I meant, do a lot of AddOn devs use IRC or this IRC in particular? |
| 09:10.59 | Shockah|Work | *some* |
| 09:11.43 | Gnarfoz | /names |
| 09:12.14 | Gnarfoz | hm, I guess that doesn't work on freenode |
| 09:12.19 | Gnarfoz | /who #wowuidev |
| 09:12.36 | Gnarfoz | also, my web client apparently doesn't like doing commands at all :D |
| 09:12.37 | nevcairiel | it does work, if you type it as actual co mmands |
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| 09:13.02 | Gnarfoz | I thought I did, it probably futzed with them before sending them on |
| 09:13.51 | Gnarfoz | aaaanyway: there's quite a few people (and bots, and idlers) here ^^ |
| 09:15.01 | keyboardturner | ah. I've never used it before. I've more or less been learning Lua on my own for the past while and occasionally asking some threads on mmo-champion for help. :p |
| 09:28.54 | ccox | Love that Overwatch bug that can leave you alone in a skirmish for half an hour. (guessing they have an off-by-one bug in their queue code) |
| 09:29.48 | ccox | Not so loving the unkillable Bastions. (seriously, itâs easier to kill D.Va AND Reinhard, together) |
| 09:30.44 | ls- | keyboardturner: I'd say enough people use this IRC channel, we also have Blizz devs here :p |
| 09:39.31 | VIad | I've done it :) |
| 09:39.39 | VIad | AP capped both weapons (DH) |
| 09:39.48 | VIad | game don't allow me to put more AP in any weapon anymore :p |
| 09:39.53 | VIad | I bonus roll gold like before |
| 09:39.54 | nevcairiel | now play a druid with 4 specs, lots of fun to be had capping all weapons =p |
| 09:39.59 | VIad | :p |
| 09:40.08 | VIad | why not let me put AP in my weapon once all spec weapons are capped? |
| 09:40.23 | VIad | blizz said themselves hoarding AP is pointless, yet they force me to vendor each AP item for 25g |
| 09:40.28 | nevcairiel | because you are not supposed to get an advantage just beacuse you are a silly DH |
| 09:40.47 | VIad | there is no advantage |
| 09:40.51 | VIad | they said it's pointless |
| 09:40.58 | nevcairiel | then why would you do it |
| 09:41.05 | VIad | because it feels lame to vendor it? |
| 09:41.09 | nevcairiel | the game is protecting you from basically throwing away the items |
| 09:41.13 | VIad | also like 10 mil 15 mil 20 mil per rank |
| 09:41.16 | nevcairiel | instead you get a bit of gold value |
| 09:41.27 | VIad | I can maybe manage get like one trait advantage at best |
| 09:41.37 | VIad | doesnt mater with new AK and such |
| 09:42.02 | VIad | should just make the system not give me AP and just behave like gold loot |
| 09:42.03 | nevcairiel | but dont worry, with 7.2 you wont realistically be able to cap one weapon, nevermind two |
| 09:42.12 | VIad | so its not that obviously lame |
| 09:42.32 | nevcairiel | selling items you dont need is not exactly a new concept |
| 09:42.37 | VIad | I wonder if after this horribleness blizz will change next expansion model |
| 09:42.43 | VIad | legendaries, AP grinds |
| 09:42.52 | VIad | it's enough imo with the wf/tf system adding rng on gearing |
| 09:54.07 | ls- | it's not that bad though :p I pretty much grew up playing Korean MMORPGs, and I think that AP "grind" is a joke. |
| 09:54.52 | VIad | it's bad when you need 54 traits to nighthold raid because they design it around everyone having it |
| 09:55.02 | VIad | me and one guy have 54 on main weapon |
| 09:55.06 | VIad | most are 45 |
| 09:55.07 | nevcairiel | they only did that because they saw how much people already grinded |
| 09:55.24 | nevcairiel | and because it was possible to reach 54 relatively easily |
| 09:55.31 | nevcairiel | after 7.2 reaching 101 is basically impossible |
| 09:55.39 | ls- | what nevcairiel said, that's the only way to balance things |
| 09:55.50 | ls- | go blame nolifers :p |
| 09:56.00 | VIad | my guild doesn't consist of nolifers |
| 09:56.09 | VIad | most are nearing 50 |
| 09:56.51 | ls- | well, you had to live in the game to get 54 before getting AK25, kinda.. |
| 09:56.52 | VIad | think we started mythic NH around 45 average |
| 09:57.47 | ls- | and obv blizz didn't want to release yet another EN :p |
| 09:57.55 | ls- | talking about raid's difficulty now |
| 09:58.55 | VIad | kadala can be a problem too |
| 09:59.06 | VIad | you can grind days and get to buy 10 rings and open them up |
| 09:59.13 | VIad | every failed boosts lego drop chance |
| 09:59.15 | nevcairiel | when they designed the traits they didnt consider how much people would grind, and the current "paragon" traits are a bit too powerful for how easy it is to grind them, they already said that the design was not perfect from a power growth perspective, so 7.2 changes that all |
| 09:59.24 | VIad | then you do a guild raid and get the feet ,_, |
| 09:59.59 | VIad | 10 rings grind wasted all the badluck protection when you get feet? |
| 10:01.18 | nevcairiel | doubtful buying the tokens increases bad luck protection |
| 10:02.09 | VIad | so if it doesnt benefit from badluck protection its a flat "bad luck protection" on kadala tokens? |
| 10:04.00 | VIad | do you think the currency will drop more in raids, benefiting raiders more than WQ spammers? |
| 10:04.24 | ls- | VIad: rings and feet... eh? didn't they say that the type of a token you buy and "open" determines the type of a legendary you'll get... so it's the way to target legendaries for a slot |
| 10:04.41 | VIad | the feet would drop from a dungeon boss or we |
| 10:04.50 | VIad | but if opening 10 kadala tokens buffed badluck |
| 10:04.50 | ls- | ah... |
| 10:04.56 | VIad | and you waste it on something else |
| 10:04.59 | ls- | kek |
| 10:05.10 | ls- | that's what you meant, sry misunderstood :p |
| 10:30.18 | Shockah|Work | uh https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/261845-silverload |
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| 10:48.00 | Gnarfoz | let me guess, it just sets that cvar to 0, that blizz recommends? |
| 10:48.10 | Gnarfoz | (which does nothing for the people affected in my guild) |
| 10:50.08 | nevcairiel | thats what it does |
| 10:50.25 | nevcairiel | and spams you in chat everytime you zone, too |
| 10:51.00 | Gnarfoz | that cvar isn't one of those that doesn't persist, is it |
| 10:51.18 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 10:51.34 | nevcairiel | but it runs on PEW, which happens everytime you zone into an instance or something |
| 10:51.44 | Gnarfoz | the problem is only with Dalaran |
| 10:51.51 | Gnarfoz | so... yeah |
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| 11:12.21 | VIad | weird to have a cvar control loading time of dalaran :d |
| 11:12.42 | nevcairiel | that option is really for scrubs without SSDs |
| 11:12.52 | nevcairiel | apparently there is a bunch of other conditions that can trigger slow loading independent of that |
| 11:13.05 | VIad | oh. I use ssd |
| 11:13.21 | VIad | nev, should I use the ssd also for the interface/wtf folders? |
| 11:13.24 | Gnarfoz | happens even with ssd |
| 11:13.26 | VIad | atm only using it for data folder |
| 11:13.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: like i said, other conditions, that option is less likely to help the faster your drive is |
| 11:13.42 | Gnarfoz | wtf would you micromanage it like that xD |
| 11:14.08 | Gnarfoz | I bet your life would be easier if nobody had told you about symlinks |
| 11:14.25 | nevcairiel | and I have all my wow on the ssd, everything else sounds insane =p |
| 11:16.37 | VIad | I symlink data into my ssd |
| 11:16.47 | Gnarfoz | yes, we understood |
| 11:16.53 | nevcairiel | its like 99% of the size of wow |
| 11:16.55 | VIad | like I installed wow on my normal drive, and symlink it onto the SSD |
| 11:16.57 | nevcairiel | why bother for the last 1% |
| 11:16.58 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 11:17.12 | VIad | then I start the game via the SSD symlink shortcut |
| 11:17.23 | Gnarfoz | no idea, it's Interface+WTF are ~200 MiB for me, that's ridiculous |
| 11:17.29 | VIad | topkek |
| 11:17.37 | Gnarfoz | s/it's// |
| 11:17.48 | Gnarfoz | is it a 64 GB SSD |
| 11:17.51 | VIad | ugh I need to do a nother round of scrubbing the data files |
| 11:17.54 | nevcairiel | my interface is even 300mb |
| 11:17.55 | nevcairiel | oh noes |
| 11:17.56 | VIad | casc sucks at uninstalling old data |
| 11:18.09 | nevcairiel | just wait until 7.2 |
| 11:18.23 | Gnarfoz | someone claimed CASC already had cleanup |
| 11:18.32 | Gnarfoz | recently, even |
| 11:18.42 | VIad | is 7.2 fixing it and allowing me to remove locale packs? |
| 11:19.01 | nevcairiel | my ptr is still 10gb bigger then my live wow, not sure if 7.2 really adds 10gb or it still doesnt cleanup properly =p |
| 11:19.04 | Gnarfoz | nothing they do will ever let you fuck with interna of their data system |
| 11:19.12 | nevcairiel | anyhow my live is only 39gb, its not going to get much smaller |
| 11:19.20 | nevcairiel | maybe 1gb or so |
| 11:19.21 | Gnarfoz | Simca: any plans to put the finishing touches on your casc cleanup tool? |
| 11:19.36 | VIad | he deleted it from bitbucket |
| 11:19.39 | nevcairiel | i have 100mbit internetz, before i use s uch a tool i just delete my data folder |
| 11:20.27 | Gnarfoz | same, just asking for people who like to go the complicated route for probably no gain at al |
| 11:25.56 | Simca | yeah, just work has been a bit crazy so i'm behind on all my personal projects |
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| 12:50.06 | Gnarfoz | are you... twitchy? |
| 13:03.55 | _Kee | why curse.com/terms 302s to twitch.tv/p/terms-of-service? |
| 13:04.59 | nevcairiel | dont have to write it two t imes when you can just redirect to the same copy |
| 13:07.43 | _Kee | "Unless expressly permitted in writing by Twitch, you may not sell, rent, lease, share or provide access to your account to anyone else" I need to ask twitch to provide access to my curse account? :O |
| 13:07.59 | p3lim | foxlit: does your framxml page have whole build diffs? |
| 13:09.01 | Gnarfoz | _Kee:Â considering who owns Curse (and that you can merge Curse and Twitch accounts now), that's not a worthwhile distinction anymore |
| 13:09.16 | Gnarfoz | (in case you missed it... Twitch owns Curse) |
| 13:09.43 | _Kee | Didn't knew, well, that explains everything, thanks. |
| 13:10.55 | Gnarfoz | Curse Prime Twitch Premium Amazon Turbo! |
| 13:10.56 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 13:11.51 | Gnarfoz | Cursazonwitch Turprimium |
| 13:11.59 | Gnarfoz | ...or something |
| 13:17.26 | foxlit | p3lim: no. |
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| 13:37.16 | Gnarfoz | CPUThieves doesn't have a GUI, which resulted in me not actually looking at its output |
| 13:37.18 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 13:38.07 | Gnarfoz | (when I looked, it was a bunch of unnamed frames and anonymous functions. how's that going to help me...) |
| 13:47.05 | Phixion | Curse Prime Twitch Premium Amazon Turbo! :D |
| 13:53.08 | Kalroth | (c) Microsoft |
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| 14:02.16 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/U9V5YSJP << not really a very useful representation. |
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| 14:34.57 | foxlit | hearthstone end-of-season rewards flash has such an enticing "Next" button that you can't actually click. |
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| 14:39.40 | Andols3 | Can you merge accounts now? Will my curse premium carry over to Twitch turbo? :D |
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| 14:47.27 | Kesava | TheDanW: could you perhaps spoil for us the limitations of FORBIDDEN_ nameplates and where they'll be used |
| 14:49.08 | Kesava | because as long as my work hasn't been invalidated outside of raids i'll be happy |
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| 14:55.13 | znf | Bought MicroUSB cable from a random store (Pepco), for something like 2â¬; plugged it in my QuickCharge charger |
| 14:55.17 | znf | It worked for about 30 minutes |
| 14:55.21 | znf | cable broke :D |
| 14:55.32 | znf | guess it doesn't like pumping 18W (9V @ 2A) |
| 15:02.36 | znf | https://www.facebook.com/Vultr/photos/a.1634997766731535.1073741828.1618854728345839/1990548067843168/?type=3&theater |
| 15:02.42 | znf | Vultr just added a $2.50 plan |
| 15:02.57 | znf | and resized their $5 plan (now it has 1GB ram) |
| 15:09.28 | foxlit | why are they comparing themselves against rackspace and aws when their actual competition is linode and do? |
| 15:09.38 | znf | dunno |
| 15:10.30 | znf | wonder if DO will change their plans |
| 15:10.41 | znf | Linode already did (they added a $5 last month) |
| 15:13.09 | znf | makes you wonder how the fuck do they make money (vultr) |
| 15:13.25 | znf | you can get $20 from a referral code |
| 15:13.41 | znf | in order to start a vm, you need to fund your account tough, if you fund it by paypal, for $5, you get another $5 |
| 15:14.19 | znf | so you spend $5 and you get a VM for 12 months |
| 15:15.09 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/sGRvlss.png |
| 15:16.50 | foxlit | burning investor money to produce nice "look at our exponentical customer growth!" graphs. |
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| 15:18.17 | foxlit | (or just hoping to make up for the difference by selling higher-capacity instances) |
| 15:18.31 | znf | I guess |
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| 15:19.16 | znf | you can't possibly break even if you only sell low-end instances |
| 15:19.37 | znf | we've done the math, the power usage alone is not covered :P |
| 15:19.44 | znf | not to mention IP addresses and actual server hardware |
| 15:21.10 | foxlit | that seems extreme. shouldn't electricty be cheap? |
| 15:21.26 | znf | not when you factor cooling costs, too |
| 15:21.58 | foxlit | you mean the profits from selling heating services? :) |
| 15:22.10 | znf | no infrastructure for that here :( |
| 15:22.18 | znf | would be nice to do that |
| 15:22.35 | znf | in our DC, cooling costs are around 80% of the power bill, if I remember corectly |
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| 15:24.33 | foxlit | is "1 cpu" an abstract quantity in those contexts, or are they actually reserving a physical core? |
| 15:25.08 | znf | not sure about their infrastructure, but our system (OpenNebula) allocates CPU shares |
| 15:25.24 | znf | and vCPU is just cosmetic |
| 15:25.39 | znf | I can make it show 32 Cores, but still reserve just 0.1 CPU |
| 15:26.11 | znf | but it's hard to explain the difference to customers, so you just go by "core" |
| 15:26.36 | znf | but to answer your question, it's not a reserved core, no way in hell that makes sense |
| 15:27.22 | foxlit | the real question lurking in the background is about the ratio of "1 CPU" promises made to customers and the physical number of CPU cores in a server. |
| 15:27.45 | znf | you can't find that out, unfortunately :P |
| 15:28.01 | znf | we do 0.2 * vCPU |
| 15:29.49 | znf | (that's because I changed it to 0.2, my predecesors had it at 0.1 * vCPU, and we have plenty of capacity to spare) |
| 15:31.16 | foxlit | (i.e. if everyone ran only busy loops, every cpu promise is about 20% of the scheduling time on a single core?) |
| 15:31.54 | nevcairiel | Kesava: the only evidence in the code suggests that the forbidden plates are mouse disabled |
| 15:31.55 | znf | yup, that's my understanding, too |
| 15:32.21 | nevcairiel | Kesava: something dan said would be coming as a feature |
| 15:33.00 | Kesava | i see |
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| 17:44.45 | p3lim | TheDanW: what is the forbidden nameplate stuff? |
| 17:45.07 | nevcairiel | just check the code, nameplates that are mouse disabled |
| 17:46.50 | p3lim | if that is really the only difference then the name is a bit confusing |
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| 18:36.38 | karl_w_w | http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/1/14779460/oculus-rift-touch-vr-bundle-price-drop-200 |
| 18:42.19 | TheDanW | Kesava, p3lim: it's tech to add controls for us to make any unit's nameplate forbidden, there will be an official post coming shortly |
| 18:42.33 | p3lim | ait |
| 18:42.44 | Kesava | kaay |
| 18:43.05 | TheDanW | the goal is to allow addons to continue to customize nameplates, but give us controls when/if it goes too far |
| 18:43.49 | Kesava | understandable |
| 18:44.10 | TheDanW | i tried to make it as seamless as possible from the addon author end, there's nothing you should need to change assuming you weren't insecurely hooking our nameplate functions |
| 18:44.21 | Kesava | i love you |
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| 18:45.12 | Kesava | too far? |
| 18:47.12 | Kesava | awkward. |
| 18:47.42 | TheDanW | it's subjective, but essentially abusing nameplates for raid encounters or pvp or what have you |
| 18:48.57 | Kesava | oh that's not what i meant |
| 18:49.04 | Kesava | they definitely went too far with that, yes. |
| 18:50.20 | TheDanW | oh, i got it :) |
| 18:50.36 | Kesava | :D |
| 18:57.06 | ccox | TheDanW: any news on fixing the MacOS metal shader loading bugs? (the ones causing very long load screens and multiple loads of the shader files) |
| 18:57.23 | nevcairiel | "not an UI bug" =p |
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| 19:16.20 | TheDanW | ccox: basically what nevcairiel said |
| 19:17.55 | ccox | Itâs not a UI bug, itâs a game engine or OS bug (without details, I canât tell from the traces). And two to five minute load screens are a problem in a game that likes to teleport you around and show load screens a lot. |
| 19:18.10 | Alram | thats the point |
| 19:18.33 | Alram | its not a ui bug so dan wouldnt be the correct person to speak to |
| 19:35.45 | Stanzilla | rendering engine rework is 8.0, have fun waiting :p |
| 19:36.59 | [TOM_RUS] | Stanzilla, dx12 and proper multithreading plz |
| 19:37.12 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:37.33 | nevcairiel | dx12 is overrated anyway |
| 19:37.49 | Stanzilla | so is ketchup |
| 19:43.31 | Simca | proper multithreading isn't but you might as well wish for world peace |
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| 19:43.58 | Stanzilla | I just want fries |
| 19:44.38 | Alram | probably 9.0 Stanzilla |
| 19:44.44 | Alram | 8.0 is just around the corner i'm sure |
| 20:32.48 | Gnarfoz | people will live on mars before that happens |
| 20:35.24 | Stanzilla | (elon musk in the background: HOLD MY BEER!) |
| 20:43.39 | Fisker | Simca is it one of those push the button choices? |
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| 21:51.39 | foxlit | kindle ipad ui makes baby foxlits cry :( |
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| 21:56.42 | foxlit | and to make matters even better, "Error: Please remove the book from your device and redownload it from your cloud items. If the problem persists, try to deregister your application and register it again. [Ok]" |
| 21:57.35 | foxlit | The world clearly needs more [Not OK] buttons. |
| 21:58.24 | Fisker | Passively protest |
| 22:07.07 | foxlit | This is like an exercise in terrible. You can view a list of books on device, in which case they disappear immediately upon selecting delete, and you have to find them in the cloud listing to redownload. |
| 22:08.11 | foxlit | You can use the cloud listing, but deletion is hidden behind a long-press action if in cover grid view, which is terrible if you want to do it more than once. |
| 22:10.08 | foxlit | Finally, the only way to detect a broken local copy is to try to open it; and should it happen to not be broken, you need to open a side menu to return to the list. |
| 22:11.05 | Semlar | stop breaking things |
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| 22:24.31 | foxlit | I guess they ate their own drm keys at some point :( |
| 22:24.50 | foxlit | and rather than support re-keying in some form, it's "have you tried reinstalling windows?" |
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| 23:12.18 | Simca | speaking of DRM, i heard the DRM on just cause 3 was cracked after 1.5 years |
| 23:12.47 | tz | such a fun game |
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