| 00:06.05 | tz | UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent('UI_ERROR_MESSAGE') |
| 00:06.08 | tz | yeahhhh, good work |
| 00:06.10 | tz | that'll do it |
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| 00:48.54 | p3lim | tz: try repairing it first |
| 00:52.57 | tz | yeah that was it |
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| 05:53.09 | netameta | So UIDropDownMenu_JustifyText("LEFT", LFGEventSelectMenu) doesnt work |
| 05:53.11 | netameta | at all |
| 05:53.25 | netameta | Which sucks |
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| 06:29.56 | netameta | <FontString name="$parentText" inherits="GameFontHighlightSmall" justifyH="RIGHT"> - how can i set justifyH-left ? |
| 06:29.59 | netameta | through lua |
| 06:36.09 | Gethe | font:SetJustifyH("LEFT") |
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| 09:19.05 | Ketho | is it possible to always show the personal resource display? I looked into older versions of ElvUI but they create their own nameplate http://git.tukui.org/Elv/elvui/issues/1272 |
| 09:25.31 | Ketho | looking to do this with the default UI. mentioning ElvUI since they had an option for that in the past but not anymore |
| 09:37.59 | nevcairiel | if none of the default ui options do that, then perhaps not |
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| 10:10.04 | Semlar | does anyone know if the unit selection circle with the direction arrow on it is a texture somewhere that can be replaced |
| 10:12.00 | Ketho | wow there actually is an arrow there? |
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| 10:18.37 | Semlar | TheDanW: do you know why the bosses in nighthold have vehicle GUIDs instead of creature IDs |
| 10:18.51 | nevcairiel | they are mere vehicles for the demon souls |
| 10:19.28 | nevcairiel | also which bosses |
| 10:19.36 | nevcairiel | i just checked one randomly and it has a creature guid |
| 10:19.36 | Semlar | according to my friend, all of them |
| 10:20.12 | Semlar | in-game? |
| 10:20.17 | nevcairiel | combatlog |
| 10:20.33 | Semlar | alright |
| 10:22.02 | Semlar | which one did you check |
| 10:22.04 | nevcairiel | although some do seem to h ave a vehicle guid |
| 10:22.12 | nevcairiel | tichondrius was creature |
| 10:22.17 | nevcairiel | krosus seems to have vehicle |
| 10:22.30 | Semlar | he says spellblade, krosus, elisande and guldan are all vehicles |
| 10:23.55 | Semlar | generally things are vehicles because they need to support being able to attach other units to them |
| 10:24.20 | Semlar | like picking someone up |
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| 10:46.49 | karl_w_w | huh, google has a speed test now |
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| 11:45.25 | Simca_ | yeah vehicle vs creature distinction is almost meaningless to clients |
| 11:45.39 | Simca_ | was a bit surprised they even exposed it |
| 11:46.09 | Simca_ | the 'vehicle' unit type actually uses CreatureID, since that's what it really is anyway |
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| 12:14.09 | Gnarfoz | Reworked profile manager. Sadly, I had to reset all settings; <-- lazy person :( |
| 12:53.54 | ls- | maaaan |
| 12:53.58 | VIad | Simca_: vehicle usually infers that the creature can pick you up or other chenanigans like that |
| 12:54.06 | karl_w_w | https://i.reddituploads.com/4cdf36213ef741e0bc8da865f6f9f1e8?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=7b2f9b01441932db522c1e91fe74b5fa |
| 12:54.09 | karl_w_w | what the fuck |
| 12:54.15 | VIad | or the creature can mount up on other things and such |
| 12:54.27 | VIad | karl_w_w: it's called a drawing |
| 12:54.34 | VIad | those have existed for many years |
| 12:54.46 | karl_w_w | I don't believe you |
| 12:54.51 | VIad | lol |
| 12:54.55 | VIad | can be photoshop filter too |
| 12:54.57 | VIad | :p |
| 12:55.34 | ls- | Gnarfoz: mate, it'd be quite painful to convert the old one, so I simply nuked old configs :p |
| 12:56.13 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 12:56.24 | VIad | if you want to, you can make a new SV definition in the toc |
| 12:56.32 | ls- | f it |
| 12:56.34 | VIad | and have simple code to detect if the old exists, and have some port mechanism |
| 12:56.40 | VIad | it's not that hard in that case :p |
| 12:56.49 | VIad | just set the old sv to nil when its done |
| 12:56.50 | ls- | I usually do that, however... |
| 12:57.07 | VIad | really depends how much you changed frontend |
| 12:57.39 | ls- | I was too lazy to write shitton of ifs to pull stuff from old configs, k? :D |
| 12:58.01 | ls- | when I do some minor changes, I convert configs, but this time it's too annoying |
| 12:58.30 | VIad | not here to judge |
| 12:58.51 | ls- | and my toasts don't have that many options, so it won't be difficult to restore everything :p |
| 12:58.59 | VIad | ls-: one suggestion, could you make the config header to appear for ls-toasts? |
| 12:59.09 | VIad | and when clicked have the rest load, how you make it happen with the /lstoasts |
| 12:59.28 | ls- | eh? O_o |
| 12:59.41 | VIad | most my addons have a header in the addons list but some use / commands to make the config visible, it can get tricky to remember ;< |
| 12:59.51 | VIad | ls-toasts dont have entry in the addon config panel |
| 12:59.52 | ls- | you mean entry in interface > addons? |
| 12:59.55 | VIad | until you /lstoasts |
| 12:59.59 | VIad | then it injects itself :P |
| 13:00.04 | VIad | yes |
| 13:00.04 | ls- | yeah, make a macro :D |
| 13:00.07 | ls- | that's what I do |
| 13:00.09 | VIad | you can make the header appear |
| 13:00.17 | VIad | and have it inject when user clicks it? :P |
| 13:00.24 | VIad | since you want to avoid taint or whatever it was |
| 13:00.38 | VIad | header alone cant possibly taint stuff |
| 13:00.40 | ls- | that's done on purpose :p |
| 13:00.49 | ls- | empty config entry can taint a lot of stuff too |
| 13:01.07 | VIad | anyone running anything other than lstoasts that already add to the list |
| 13:01.12 | VIad | would have tainted :D |
| 13:01.27 | VIad | bagnon, auctionator, msbt, opie, prat, and so on ;D |
| 13:02.16 | ls- | I don't like to be blamed though... :p |
| 13:03.10 | ls- | usually the last addon in the list is blamed, and I use coloured text, so my ls: * puts them on the bottom T_T |
| 13:03.22 | ls- | just f it :D |
| 13:04.33 | VIad | :p |
| 13:04.53 | VIad | I'd make the header load |
| 13:05.03 | VIad | and clicking it would do a "first click" type check to load rest ^^ |
| 13:05.08 | ls- | create a macro w/ /lstoasts in it :p |
| 13:05.11 | VIad | actually not a bad idea... |
| 13:05.21 | VIad | like in general for all adds :p why preload config UI when not needed? |
| 13:05.28 | ls- | local panel = CreateFrame("Frame", "test_panel", InterfaceOptionsFramePanelContainer) panel.name = "test_panel" InterfaceOptions_AddCategory(panel) this will taint shit :p |
| 13:05.31 | VIad | header is good for a LOD type button |
| 13:05.57 | VIad | arent you already tainting shit by having /lstoasts run that code when the user types it? ;D |
| 13:06.12 | VIad | if just using the addons list taints its like a lost battle from the beginning |
| 13:06.14 | ls- | that's why I have MANY warnings to /reload UI |
| 13:06.42 | VIad | prat has used the addons options thingy for years |
| 13:06.51 | VIad | no one has complained about taint nor have I experienced broken things :D |
| 13:07.01 | ls- | I'm thinking about adding popup to remind to reload UI after user is done setting it up :D |
| 13:07.03 | VIad | tbh most only break if you use the blizz uidropdown template |
| 13:07.22 | VIad | seems you can inject and taint without breaking stuff, except if the user clicks cancel or something :p |
| 13:07.41 | VIad | IIRC its the cancel button that is to blame :p |
| 13:08.40 | ls- | A) I use 1 default drop down, B) current solution works, so there's no need to pull a lib for dropdowns :p |
| 13:09.37 | VIad | but you use dropdown on the loot option |
| 13:09.38 | VIad | :o |
| 13:09.50 | VIad | already blaming you |
| 13:10.06 | ls- | I may add a login message to my toasts, as I did w/ ls ui to remind about /lstoasts command :p |
| 13:10.12 | ls- | eh? where? |
| 13:10.15 | ls- | hm... |
| 13:10.35 | VIad | the loot quality cogwheel |
| 13:10.37 | VIad | :d |
| 13:10.50 | ls- | oh, it's the second one, true, forgot about that juan |
| 13:11.42 | VIad | I guess if the user /rl based on your spam for them to do it, its not a problem ;D |
| 13:12.23 | ls- | O_o |
| 13:12.33 | ls- | how often do yo use it? |
| 13:12.48 | ls- | I haven't touched it since forever :p |
| 13:12.50 | Gnarfoz | so I should downgrade ls_toasts before logging in and write down the options? |
| 13:13.26 | ls- | printscreen :p |
| 13:13.32 | Gnarfoz | (also, colored addon name breaking the addon list sorting is terrible. :P) |
| 13:13.44 | ls- | ikr :D |
| 13:13.47 | Gnarfoz | other offenders: TradeSkillMaster |
| 13:14.28 | ls- | as for downgrading toasts, it may not work, cuz it prob nuked everything :p |
| 13:15.22 | Gnarfoz | it won't, since I haven't launched the game since reading the changelog ;) |
| 13:15.37 | ls- | noice <3 |
| 13:15.40 | ls- | wish more ppl read them |
| 13:16.19 | Gnarfoz | wish the Curse app would default to showing the changelog when clicking the list entry of an addon that has an update pending :D |
| 13:19.28 | ls- | btw, I added few methods to manipulate profiles, you can "inject" your old config as a new profile :p |
| 13:19.48 | ls- | you can pass it as a table :p and it'll be used to create new profile |
| 13:20.04 | ls- | obv clean it up first :p |
| 13:20.27 | Gnarfoz | yeah... I don't think so. :D |
| 13:20.40 | ls- | I actually could have done it :p kek |
| 13:20.56 | ls- | oh well, too late... |
| 13:21.01 | Gnarfoz | maybe after I've set it up again I'll use that to make config on all my characters identical |
| 13:21.28 | ls- | yeah, you can have many profiles |
| 13:21.48 | ls- | by default everything is save to "default" config, that's used by default on all chars |
| 13:22.21 | Gnarfoz | is it now? because it wasn't before |
| 13:22.26 | ls- | if you want to have diff profiles per char, just create new ones, you can also choose existing profile as a base for a new one |
| 13:22.32 | ls- | it |
| 13:22.34 | ls- | it's |
| 13:22.41 | Gnarfoz | smells like AceDB ^^ |
| 13:22.54 | ls- | home-brewed :D |
| 13:24.39 | ls- | you can also call ls_Toasts[1]:CreateProfile("test_profile", { --[[stuff here]]}) to crate a new profiles w/ needed vars :p |
| 13:24.46 | ls- | create* |
| 13:25.01 | ls- | from another addon |
| 13:25.33 | ls- | and profile* |
| 13:25.36 | ls- | we.. |
| 13:26.44 | ls- | I think you can even use it to switch profiles from macros o_O damn... |
| 13:27.49 | ls- | need to push an update for ls ui T_T my new action bars taint some shit in combat T_T |
| 13:35.23 | Gnarfoz | meh, positions are not exposed as values in the config ui |
| 13:35.30 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll just make a copy of the old SV :D |
| 13:36.23 | ls- | kek |
| 13:36.25 | Gnarfoz | ...that's a really short list of things saved. :D |
| 13:36.56 | ls- | yeah, I diff against default settings, don't like bloated SVs :p |
| 13:37.37 | Gnarfoz | not doing that would have probably made upgrading the SVs easier ;) |
| 13:38.41 | ls- | nah, what made it really difficult was the way I stored profiles :p some stuff in acc SVs, some stuff in char SVs T_T |
| 13:39.38 | ls- | after trying to cover all possible cases, I just said f it :p |
| 13:40.35 | ls- | but now when I think it, I could at least pull settings I didn't change, oh well :p |
| 13:40.51 | ls- | about it* |
| 13:40.56 | ls- | damn, I'm tired T_T |
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| 13:49.10 | ls- | Gnarfoz: do you really need exposed coords in config UI? |
| 13:50.30 | ls- | I may add them w/ the next update... |
| 13:50.34 | Gnarfoz | I don't, but considering you suggested taking a screenshot of the options, which doesn't help at all with carrying over the position of the anchor... |
| 13:50.58 | ls- | k, I won't add them :p |
| 13:51.09 | Gnarfoz | (probably the most valuable "option" of them all) |
| 13:51.20 | ls- | eh? O_o |
| 13:51.30 | Gnarfoz | I know how to do that through SVs, but I doubt many users of your addon do |
| 13:51.38 | ls- | I always thought it's useless garbage :D |
| 13:52.05 | ls- | K, I'll add 3 edit boxes for x, y and point |
| 13:52.12 | Gnarfoz | how is being able to position an addon whose purpose it is to style and reposition a non-positionable blizzard UI element "garbage" |
| 13:52.37 | ls- | :D |
| 13:53.26 | ls- | I dunno, typing stuff in sounds quite meh.. |
| 13:53.49 | kullervo | people like accurate values |
| 13:54.55 | ls- | k |
| 13:56.05 | ls- | TBH, that's one of the rarest feature requests :p only 4 ppl asked me about it, 1 here, 1 on WoWI, I think, and 2 in PM elsewhere |
| 13:57.10 | Gnarfoz | now consider how many people don't bother to write anything |
| 13:57.36 | ls- | Actually, I was thinking about adding coord display to anchor frame, and buttons on each side for px-by-px movement :p |
| 13:57.57 | ls- | ah, the almighty silent majority :p |
| 13:58.29 | Gnarfoz | that sounds like a lot more work than doing sliders like aceconfigdialog or whatever they're part of has |
| 13:58.59 | VIad | I love when you can specify anchor points and x,y and stuff |
| 13:59.13 | Gnarfoz | (perhaps Bartender's positioning config is a better fit. anchor, scale, x/y with -/+ buttons, center H, center V and reset) |
| 13:59.23 | VIad | if done right I can copy my WTF and apply to another computer |
| 13:59.27 | VIad | and it will show perfectly :D |
| 13:59.37 | VIad | like actionbar in the corner will still be there since I anchor to bottomright |
| 13:59.40 | VIad | and offset from there |
| 13:59.41 | ls- | in this case, it's no really about amount of work, but about user-friendliness :p |
| 13:59.57 | VIad | if you anchor to center and offset, on other resolutions the bars will be offscreen clipped and shit |
| 14:01.08 | ls- | well, in my case parent is always anchor to Parent and closest corner, TOP, or BOTTOM. |
| 14:01.14 | ls- | of UIParent :p |
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| 14:06.32 | Gnarfoz | ~framexml |
| 14:06.33 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on https://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 14:07.29 | ls- | K, I'll add edit boxes, using them is faster than clicking buttons :p |
| 14:09.48 | ls- | Gnarfoz: VIad: Have you ever experienced something like this? https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/ls-toasts?comment=85 |
| 14:10.19 | VIad | checking |
| 14:10.29 | VIad | like some toasts not showing? |
| 14:10.33 | Gnarfoz | no idea, I don't use RareScanner |
| 14:10.57 | ls- | fucking curse... |
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| 14:11.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 14:11.08 | ls- | scroll up please.... see comment #85 |
| 14:11.17 | Gnarfoz | I figured that's probably not what you wanted to link to |
| 14:11.41 | ls- | yeah, link says comment=85, site opens comment #81 :D |
| 14:12.18 | Gnarfoz | I don't get loot toasts for other people |
| 14:13.12 | ls- | VIad: ^^^ |
| 14:14.28 | VIad | I have seen SOMETIMES |
| 14:14.31 | VIad | a toast for gray item :D |
| 14:14.33 | VIad | or some shit |
| 14:14.36 | VIad | like irrelevant |
| 14:14.39 | VIad | but its very rare |
| 14:19.40 | VIad | but I suspect its blizz API doing that |
| 14:19.43 | VIad | makes no sense otherwise |
| 14:20.06 | VIad | they probably have some if-check to avoid those rare cases |
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| 14:27.32 | ls- | probably, but I limited common loot toasts to white - purple items, jic |
| 14:35.26 | VIad | isnt gray below common though? |
| 14:35.33 | VIad | didnt see an option to pick anything sub-common ^^ |
| 14:37.17 | ls- | it's called uncommon, iirc :p |
| 14:38.34 | ls- | yeah, but for some reason when you parse CHAT_MSG_* stuff, things may get a bit messy, esp if you loot items AND currencies simultaneously, |
| 14:38.41 | ls- | CHAT_MSG_CURRENCY lags like mofo |
| 14:41.19 | ls- | damn, there's a guy on WOWI who complains about /LSTOASTS not working for him, that's weird... |
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| 14:56.14 | VIad | probably other addons :) |
| 14:56.18 | VIad | interfering |
| 14:57.24 | ls- | he says he disabled everything, etc, etc, etc... I even nuked WTF and Interface on my machine to test fresh install, works nicely :p |
| 15:00.15 | VIad | never believe people |
| 15:00.22 | VIad | you have no idea how many people have told me that |
| 15:00.23 | ls- | finally, someone w/ enabled errors |
| 15:00.46 | VIad | your users are your enemies |
| 15:00.47 | ls- | "i get no errors..." #bitchpls... |
| 15:00.56 | VIad | when they ask you about errors |
| 15:01.02 | VIad | "not working" PMs |
| 15:01.07 | VIad | they are the enemy #1 |
| 15:01.13 | ls- | IKR, I worked in enterprise :p |
| 15:01.18 | ls- | smh :( |
| 15:01.32 | VIad | dont even know how to report the error, just "x dont work" no more info and no skill to get more info |
| 15:04.03 | ls- | at least sometime there's this one guy who says: "I'm unable to open the new version as well. /lstoasts gives me this error: errorlog here" |
| 15:04.18 | ls- | others usually say that they get no error messages T_T hate them :D |
| 15:05.28 | VIad | blizz set scriptErrors to 0 by default |
| 15:05.28 | VIad | :D |
| 15:05.33 | VIad | fixed the problems |
| 15:05.33 | ls- | FUCK |
| 15:05.45 | VIad | you didnt know? |
| 15:05.48 | ls- | nah |
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| 15:06.06 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.10 | VIad | ="0" |
| 15:06.10 | VIad | :D |
| 15:06.44 | ls- | ffs... |
| 15:08.35 | VIad | swapping specs sometimes messes up the hybrid abilities ,_, |
| 15:08.43 | VIad | like 1 spell that triggers a specific spell based on spec |
| 15:08.53 | VIad | atm showing me tank button icon but its not :p /rl to fix |
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| 15:52.52 | ls- | VIad: /rl is OP, nerfs needed.. |
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| 16:27.26 | Gnarfoz | VIad: but it works nonetheless, just UI is wrong |
| 16:27.31 | Gnarfoz | (but it's annoying, doesn't show CD properly) |
| 16:27.52 | VIad | I know. I dont see the CD, main annoyance :d |
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| 17:13.18 | _Kee | Browsing wowhead with enabled console in browser disables adds. Why?! |
| 17:19.14 | Gnarfoz | because that's what their shady "ad optimizer" does |
| 17:20.47 | Gnarfoz | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5rmlau/wowhead_becoming_too_bloated_1_pageload_requested/ https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5ey62b/avoid_wowhead_until_further_notice_massive/ name should be in one of these |
| 17:23.04 | Gnarfoz | (and the names of those threads should tell you all you need to know) |
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| 17:40.56 | _Kee | ouch |
| 17:41.10 | _Kee | thanks for linking that out, Gnarfoz |
| 17:43.05 | foxlit | news at 11: ad networks are terrible. |
| 17:44.14 | Gnarfoz | I don't think this particular service is an ad network |
| 17:44.18 | Gnarfoz | it's just plain terrible |
| 17:46.02 | foxlit | nah, it is mostly ads. Their current front page is 122 requests with most of the networks blocked. |
| 17:46.40 | foxlit | (and the linked guide is 180) |
| 17:48.55 | foxlit | can't really think of a single ad-supported wow site that doesn't have terrible ads. |
| 17:50.17 | nevcairiel | s/wow site/site/ |
| 17:51.34 | foxlit | http://daringfireball.net ads are reasonable. |
| 17:52.53 | Gnarfoz | that service is still some shady ad throughput optimizer |
| 17:53.29 | foxlit | ? |
| 17:53.36 | Gnarfoz | the service I was talking to Kee about |
| 17:54.25 | foxlit | did they acknowledge that the specific behaviour Kee described is intentional? |
| 17:55.13 | Gnarfoz | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5rmlau/wowhead_becoming_too_bloated_1_pageload_requested/dd8k563/ |
| 17:55.20 | Gnarfoz | they intentionally use Nanovisor by Instart Logic |
| 17:55.30 | Gnarfoz | which is what does that |
| 17:58.28 | foxlit | that seems to suggest they proxy ad serving through their own servers so you can't just block third-party JS. |
| 17:59.37 | Gnarfoz | that, too |
| 18:14.58 | Mr_Rabies | jesus, wowhead needs to just give up and close at this point |
| 18:15.13 | Mr_Rabies | this ad situation is miserable |
| 18:15.24 | Semlar | $$$$ |
| 18:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | constantly reloading moving ads that go through adblock |
| 18:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | and also cause pages to take ~15 seconds to load |
| 18:16.14 | foxlit | maybe your adblock is defective and needs to just give up and close at this point. |
| 18:16.18 | Semlar | i have yet to see something get through adblock plus |
| 18:16.42 | Semlar | except the whitelisted stuff |
| 18:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | nah, their new ad system is 100% designed to make things really bad on adblock users |
| 18:16.56 | foxlit | coming soon to everywhere. |
| 18:17.06 | Mr_Rabies | it's the new google ads |
| 18:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | they also eat up a shitload of data |
| 18:18.19 | Semlar | you'd think they'd come up with a better approach than trying to shove the unwanted ads at you harder |
| 18:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | curse is starting to use them to a lesser extent now |
| 18:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | but the wowhead ones animate, refresh and replace with new ads every 30 seconds or so, etc |
| 18:19.00 | Mr_Rabies | all while making sure the page never quite loads properly |
| 18:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's been 30 seconds and this page is still loading |
| 18:20.00 | Semlar | i don't have this problem with abp |
| 18:20.09 | Mr_Rabies | what browser do you use? |
| 18:20.12 | Semlar | firefox |
| 18:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, maybe something specific to chrome then |
| 18:20.44 | foxlit | Semlar: it's a rock-and-hard-place situation. |
| 18:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | basically all the g00.wowhead.com stuff is so anti-user that i'd rather see them just close their shop |
| 18:21.01 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: null-route wowhead for yourself and mission accomplished. |
| 18:21.19 | Mr_Rabies | mission accomplished at this point is watching the site itself die |
| 18:21.52 | Semlar | abp allows unobtrusive ads through |
| 18:22.02 | Mr_Rabies | i've turned that feature off |
| 18:22.17 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies' ideal website is powered by unicorn tears. |
| 18:22.28 | Semlar | i leave it enabled |
| 18:22.42 | Semlar | but i can count on one hand the number of sites i've seen it let ads through on |
| 18:23.14 | Mr_Rabies | i just enabled that to try it out and it's even worse |
| 18:23.25 | foxlit | (because clearly it has no ads and charges no subscription fees, yet somehow manages to keep the servers on) |
| 18:23.53 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit, i'm of the opinion that the internet was a much better place when everyone just assumed a website was a moneysink |
| 18:24.12 | Mr_Rabies | hurting your users for money isn't really something to celebrate |
| 18:24.30 | Semlar | what motivation does someone have to create a website if they aren't going to get anything for it |
| 18:24.39 | Mr_Rabies | sheer love |
| 18:25.02 | Semlar | but what if they want to be able to eat |
| 18:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | do something else then |
| 18:25.25 | foxlit | this is a much greater money sink than any single person can reasonably bear. |
| 18:26.48 | Mr_Rabies | then don't do it |
| 18:27.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather there be no database site for wow if they're gonna be as bad as wowhead |
| 18:27.50 | Mr_Rabies | let blizzard themselves pick up the slack there |
| 18:28.30 | Semlar | the market sorts itself out |
| 18:28.34 | Mr_Rabies | they should lose their fansite privledge at this point, honestly |
| 18:28.55 | foxlit | just because the ads-for-content trade is unacceptable to you, personally, doesn't mean it's unacceptable to everyone. |
| 18:29.31 | Mr_Rabies | i never said everyone felt like i do |
| 18:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | they probably should, since i'd literally rather stub my toe than see the types of ads they have on wowhead |
| 18:29.55 | Semlar | well, you did say they should fold up shop rather than continue with their current model |
| 18:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | as far as i'm concerned, they're mutilating the corpse of a good website at this point |
| 18:30.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather they just bury it before it gets more depraved |
| 18:30.52 | Semlar | yeah but they'd rather continue desecrating it until it stops paying out |
| 18:31.38 | Mr_Rabies | they're welcome to do so, but i'm definitely entitled to think they're scum |
| 18:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | Tencent made quite a few acquaintences of mine nearly homeless after firing most of the ZAM staff, they deserve zero love |
| 18:33.24 | Semlar | to be fair you can't pay people without revenue |
| 18:33.35 | Mr_Rabies | they just got really greedy and did what tencent always does |
| 18:33.48 | Mr_Rabies | buy company, gut it, steal information, move on |
| 18:33.59 | Mr_Rabies | well, harvest information, i guess |
| 18:40.11 | Mr_Rabies | really the important info on wowhead is the comments anyway, the drop tables and everything have been totally useless in legion |
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| 18:41.24 | Mr_Rabies | at this point, a subreddit with threads for each quest, npc, etc would be better than wowhead :v |
| 18:41.45 | mckenziemc | start it |
| 18:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | as awful as reddit is, at least it doesn't eat my computer alive like wowhead |
| 18:42.32 | mckenziemc | also The Great Suspender helps |
| 18:42.55 | mckenziemc | if you are prone to leaving wowhead tabs open in the background |
| 18:43.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it'll eat gigabytes an hour if you leave a tab open |
| 18:43.27 | Mr_Rabies | also drops my fps by around 10 in wow if i leave it open |
| 18:51.24 | fewyn | hrm... a level 100 bost is about 400k in NA.... not sure if i want to spend that much gold on an alt |
| 18:51.56 | fewyn | (i want a warrior but i don't want to level from 1) |
| 18:52.35 | Mr_Rabies | the token's slowly normalizing to around 80-85k per |
| 18:52.47 | fewyn | currently around 93k now |
| 18:52.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'd just grab some at a valley if you're gonna do it |
| 18:53.04 | fewyn | yeah |
| 18:53.17 | Mr_Rabies | the dotted line at wowtoken.info is a good indicator of direction |
| 18:53.24 | fewyn | https://wowtoken.info/ valley seems to happen about 8pm every day |
| 18:53.35 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know how they get that data, but it's the raw data, as far as i can tell |
| 18:53.35 | fewyn | which would be peak hours so makes most sense |
| 18:53.53 | mckenziemc | the dotted line is the time derivative |
| 18:54.03 | fewyn | i THINK erorus has a game client logged in at all times... or blizzard made an api |
| 18:54.05 | Mr_Rabies | the system smooths out the peaks and valleys so that it can't increase or decrease by more than 3% in an.... hour? i think? window |
| 18:54.06 | fewyn | i can't remember which |
| 18:54.36 | Mr_Rabies | 3% in either 15 minutes or an hour, i forget :( |
| 18:55.20 | Mr_Rabies | back when it sank down to 23k or so in WoD i grabbed a ton and that's when i learned to follow the dotted line as a guideline |
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| 18:56.08 | Mr_Rabies | that's the only thing that i would miss if wowhead went under, erorus would probably be forced to close wowtoken, wowpop, TUJ, etc |
| 18:56.39 | Mr_Rabies | he's basically the only one left over there that actually does anything with the site i think |
| 18:56.55 | fewyn | he runs those sites personally |
| 18:57.05 | fewyn | last i heard they are run on a server in his house |
| 18:57.06 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but because he's making money from wowhead, he can |
| 18:57.10 | fewyn | but this was several years ago |
| 18:57.29 | fewyn | i don't really talk to anyone anymore |
| 18:58.15 | mckenziemc | go away |
| 18:58.36 | fewyn | no u |
| 18:58.58 | mckenziemc | don't talk to me |
| 18:59.00 | fewyn | i'm making pizza dough |
| 18:59.20 | fewyn | also doing a potato soup |
| 18:59.20 | mckenziemc | oh ok, all good now |
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| 19:01.55 | mckenziemc | are class trials still available if you don't have a 100 boost available? |
| 19:02.19 | mckenziemc | or are they only "You have a boost available, so here, try any class" |
| 19:07.48 | nevcairiel | iirc you can try and then buy it at the end |
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| 19:13.59 | Maldivia | mckenziemc: create a new char, and you can make a trial 100, that goes trough the class trial |
| 19:14.15 | Semlar | fewyn: there's an auction house api |
| 19:14.36 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the token price is on it |
| 19:21.23 | mckenziemc | Maldivia: the question is whether you can always do that, or only when a 100 boost is active |
| 19:21.52 | mckenziemc | always, assuming Legion on the wow account |
| 19:34.51 | Maldivia | mckenziemc: always |
| 19:35.19 | Maldivia | mckenziemc: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/7826 |
| 20:08.40 | foxlit | "this insurance policy will not cover you for the consequences of cyber-terrorism." |
| 20:15.34 | mckenziemc | maybe you should find a legal line of work |
| 21:06.44 | znf | I have no idea how to use the artifact research compendium |
| 21:06.53 | znf | I bought 2 on my main, I sent them to my druid alt which was already rank 15 |
| 21:06.57 | znf | I used 2, nothing happened |
| 21:13.36 | nebula | should complete any pending research and boost you to 20 minus the number of research things you have |
| 21:13.37 | znf | should I boost my Penis to level 100? http://i.imgur.com/U9pU4tp.png |
| 21:40.25 | mckenziemc | znf: another priest? |
| 21:40.32 | znf | lolberserk @ Tich pug |
| 21:40.37 | znf | mckenziemc, I've had that penis for a while |
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| 21:42.40 | mckenziemc | another priest at 1 != another priest at high level |
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| 22:28.19 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.47 | znf | as easy as Elisande is on normal |
| 22:46.53 | znf | as hard I find those stupid rings on heroic |
| 22:57.34 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.45 | nebula | foxlit: why do you need all the code after the visible check? i don't think i've ever run into any issues just calling InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory twice |
| 22:59.07 | nebula | rather, how does the panel get offscreen |
| 22:59.22 | foxlit | nebula: insert 31 other panels before yours. |
| 22:59.58 | foxlit | i.e. /run for i=1,31 do local x = CreateFrame("Frame") x.name = "a" .. i InterfaceOptions_AddCategory(x) end |
| 23:00.07 | foxlit | at which point calling OTC twice doesn't show your panel. |
| 23:01.11 | nebula | mmm, works fine for me |
| 23:02.13 | foxlit | those things have to sort before whatever you're testing those, and you should run the macro before opening your panel. |
| 23:02.24 | foxlit | *with. |
| 23:03.06 | Stanzilla | can someone explain to my why UnitGetTotalAbsorbs("player") always returns 20 for tank monks |
| 23:03.11 | Stanzilla | I have no idea where that comes from |
| 23:03.23 | Stanzilla | when just sitting in town that is |
| 23:06.06 | kullervo | with no gear? |
| 23:06.25 | kullervo | base minimum stagger or sth |
| 23:06.50 | nebula | foxlit: i just clicked on an anchor for an addon of mine to open the config (calling OTC just once in this case) and it scrolls and selects the proper panel, running the macro doesn't affect anything |
| 23:07.10 | kullervo | I never displayed absorbs less than 5% of maxhp anyway |
| 23:14.31 | foxlit | nebula: try again with all your addons disabled? |
| 23:14.46 | foxlit | running something like blizzbugssuck would be an obvious out. |
| 23:16.45 | nebula | oops, i thought i disabled that before testing, but it betterblizzoptions i disabled |
| 23:21.22 | Stanzilla | kullervo: with gear |
| 23:21.44 | kullervo | Stanzilla: "hidden" set bonus or lege etc? |
| 23:21.54 | Stanzilla | no set, no leg |
| 23:22.00 | Stanzilla | also happens on other monk chars |
| 23:22.03 | Stanzilla | ¯_(ã)_/¯ |
| 23:22.18 | znf | is upsent on Stanzilla |
| 23:22.20 | kullervo | right |
| 23:22.24 | znf | upset* |
| 23:22.25 | znf | meh |
| 23:22.29 | kullervo | can't test myself, not willing to buy gametime yet |
| 23:22.43 | Stanzilla | I'd like to call API bug and blame TheDanW |
| 23:22.47 | kullervo | although I could exchange all my gold for $500 worth of blizzard store credit |
| 23:24.00 | foxlit | I wonder how they're handling taxation. |
| 23:24.21 | znf | foxlit asking the important questions |
| 23:24.38 | znf | Stanzilla, returns 0 for me |
| 23:24.42 | znf | on my monk |
| 23:25.00 | znf | but mine's level 57 |
| 23:25.04 | Stanzilla | spec? |
| 23:25.14 | znf | oh wait, mist |
| 23:25.15 | znf | let me swap |
| 23:25.19 | znf | I haven't logged on this monk in years |
| 23:25.32 | znf | yeah, it's 20 |
| 23:26.13 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 23:26.18 | znf | could it be stagger? |
| 23:26.35 | Stanzilla | maybe |
| 23:26.36 | Stanzilla | I have no clue |
| 23:26.44 | Stanzilla | it does not actually absorb 20 from every hit |
| 23:26.47 | Stanzilla | so I think its an api bug |
| 23:27.16 | kullervo | pretty sure it should absorbs way more than 20 from every hit |
| 23:28.56 | Stanzilla | yea |
| 23:29.40 | kullervo | but I was thinking a hit â¤20 would get completely absorbed |
