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| 08:53.21 | VIad | znf: milestoned for wow 16.0.1 the return of the leech king |
| 08:57.20 | Phixion | morning VIad |
| 09:00.53 | VIad | hi Phixion |
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| 09:02.03 | VIad | kek "The Kirin Tor Tavern Crawl micro-holiday is unfortunately suffering from some issues that didnât come up in PTR testing, and we have been unable to correct via hotfix. As such, we've had to disable it. Apologies for the inconvenience!" |
| 09:10.13 | Phixion | another microholiday, they going fast with this |
| 09:15.10 | VIad | but its disabled so maybe next month/year |
| 09:18.41 | Phixion | oic |
| 09:19.57 | nevcairiel | more likely next year, i wouldnt expect them to re-schedule something silly like a micro-holiday |
| 09:20.53 | VIad | weird how things dont get enough time to be tested on the PTR. I bet if they added achievements for PTR testing events, more people would do it :P |
| 09:21.32 | VIad | since atm I bet like only 1% of the people on PTR cared to try the events seriously enough to find bugs, most just maybe look at it and leave, since there is no /reward/ in PTR testing so most don't care to |
| 09:22.57 | VIad | also unsure what is supposed to be, what is a bug. like guldan cleave works during his AOE phase :p |
| 09:24.46 | VIad | if someone else gets close to the MT on guldan, like 4 yards, then he cleaves and rids himself of the energy building, and gains a small haste buff for 10 seconds |
| 09:24.56 | Phixion | I remember the microholiday ptr schedule being pretty tight |
| 09:24.59 | VIad | that mechanic should probably ot work when boss is not meleeing and is channeling :P |
| 09:25.01 | Phixion | like it changed daily |
| 09:44.15 | VIad | bolster/teeming/fortified in VOTW/HOV/BRH sounds like a +10 key max |
| 09:45.57 | VIad | tyrranical/raging/necrotic would be pretty bad as well in EOA last boss :d |
| 09:46.15 | VIad | raging affix on bosses would be amazing if it was a 7 affix :d |
| 09:46.46 | Shockah|Work | Raging Wrath of Azshara? lol |
| 09:49.58 | VIad | oh yes |
| 09:50.01 | VIad | bring it :d |
| 09:50.16 | VIad | like a +15 ~200% dmg/hp + tyrranical + raging |
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| 09:51.59 | Shockah|Work | inb4 starting with 7.2 at +13 the +4 affix applies to bosses too |
| 09:52.09 | Shockah|Work | and the +7 affix at +16 |
| 09:52.20 | Shockah|Work | Teeming bosses |
| 09:52.21 | Shockah|Work | lel |
| 09:53.09 | VIad | yes plz |
| 09:53.18 | VIad | bosses are now two mobs |
| 09:53.25 | VIad | half hp/dmg but double mechanics |
| 09:53.31 | Shockah|Work | fun fun fun |
| 09:53.37 | VIad | bolstering :d |
| 09:53.52 | Shockah|Work | oh god |
| 09:53.55 | VIad | teeming bolstering tyrranical teeming |
| 09:54.03 | VIad | teeming bolstering tyrranical raging* |
| 09:54.25 | nevcairiel | they already rebalance the dungeons by increasing their base difficulty, thats all thats needed =p |
| 09:54.41 | Shockah|Work | VIad wants more though |
| 09:55.24 | VIad | would be more fun by having the difficulty come from affixes >15 |
| 09:55.28 | VIad | instead of % base dmg/hp |
| 09:55.41 | Shockah|Work | more affixes pls |
| 09:55.43 | VIad | makes it a bit more fun to get those weird affixes stacking on top |
| 09:55.55 | VIad | and having bosses affected by more than 1 affix eventually too |
| 09:56.21 | VIad | teeming bosses could split boss in identical copies but reduce dmg/hp but affixes apply so could still be a mess :d |
| 09:56.22 | nevcairiel | just pull a bit of trash into the boss fight for extra fun |
| 09:56.53 | VIad | wtb waller affix |
| 09:57.23 | Shockah|Work | oh god no |
| 09:57.26 | Shockah|Work | fuck that |
| 09:57.30 | Phixion | :) |
| 09:57.30 | nevcairiel | arcane enchanted? |
| 09:57.34 | Shockah|Work | NOT THAT EITHER |
| 09:57.35 | VIad | fiery chains |
| 09:57.37 | VIad | teeming |
| 09:57.47 | Shockah|Work | unless you give me that legendary |
| 09:57.52 | Shockah|Work | that turns arcane damage into healing instead |
| 09:58.07 | Shockah|Work | i just kept that in my Kanai's Cube for ages |
| 09:58.08 | VIad | immunie minions |
| 09:58.18 | VIad | immune minions + one elite you need to kill first |
| 09:58.29 | VIad | bolster necrotic teeming on top |
| 09:59.50 | Shockah|Work | nightmarish :^) |
| 10:02.49 | VIad | oh nightmarish is fun |
| 10:03.47 | VIad | what about a thorn affix? |
| 10:04.04 | Shockah|Work | are you a masochist |
| 10:04.18 | VIad | thorn raging necrotic fortified bolster |
| 10:04.21 | VIad | VOTW |
| 10:04.34 | Shockah|Work | and teeming pls |
| 10:04.36 | VIad | eta on completion? |
| 10:06.25 | VIad | what about a haste affix |
| 10:06.36 | VIad | affecting casting mobs to cast twice as fast and twice as quicker CDs? |
| 10:07.10 | Shockah|Work | how about a generic "Warp Speed" affix where both you and enemies are 30-50% faster |
| 10:07.16 | Shockah|Work | Maw of Souls 5 minute speedrun go go go |
| 10:09.22 | VIad | oh yes |
| 10:09.31 | VIad | just having more speed makes timing harder |
| 10:09.36 | VIad | like timing your button presses :p |
| 10:09.39 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 10:09.40 | VIad | testing your brain |
| 10:09.46 | karl_w_w | well I was going to try out swiftkey but if it refuses to learn swear words what's the point |
| 10:09.51 | VIad | timewarped affix gogo |
| 10:10.02 | Shockah|Work | several Nighthold bosses have that mechanic and it's not just "oh we can do more dps now" |
| 10:10.09 | Shockah|Work | it actually adds difficulty |
| 10:10.13 | VIad | yes |
| 10:10.24 | nevcairiel | well of course you also need to react and move faster |
| 10:10.32 | VIad | but I am sad that the time mechanics are only visual |
| 10:10.40 | VIad | its not actually making the client go slowmotion |
| 10:10.45 | VIad | like if I charge, its same speed :( |
| 10:11.14 | VIad | would be cool if everything was slowed 1:1 ratio like if you compare slow mo footage of the normal speed, it fits the same as the wannabe slowmo phase |
| 10:11.47 | VIad | nevcairiel: we got guldan heroic down on sunday :d |
| 10:12.01 | nevcairiel | i was on vacation the last two weeks! |
| 10:12.17 | nevcairiel | didnt even do any normal mode yet =p |
| 10:13.00 | VIad | it's pretty fun :) |
| 10:13.15 | VIad | we had a guy dead p1 and some in p2 |
| 10:13.22 | VIad | we hit enrage timer 12 min :D |
| 10:13.27 | VIad | boss died 12:20 |
| 10:13.32 | VIad | 4 alive |
| 10:13.34 | nevcairiel | i like a good long fight sometimes |
| 10:13.43 | VIad | I guess its 20/30 min on mythic |
| 10:13.49 | VIad | on heroic its 12 min max |
| 10:13.55 | VIad | so not that terribly long |
| 10:14.05 | VIad | expected ~10 min fight for end boss |
| 10:14.55 | Shockah|Work | we're 9/10 N :SSS |
| 10:15.33 | Shockah|Work | Elisande was a bitch and kept teleporting into slow bubbles before sending the ring of orbs |
| 10:15.40 | VIad | https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/91Kv3tp2BNgcVjyG#fight=20&view=replay |
| 10:15.46 | VIad | go to 11:55 and play from there :D |
| 10:15.50 | VIad | last 90 mil |
| 10:16.32 | VIad | I got a CR from the hunter and kited for 10 extra seconds |
| 10:16.44 | Shockah|Work | haha |
| 10:16.53 | Shockah|Work | a bit like our Elisande kill |
| 10:17.01 | karl_w_w | this is ridiculous, no matter how many times I teach it fuck it will still autocorrect it to anything but fuck |
| 10:17.16 | Shockah|Work | maybe that's on purpose |
| 10:17.19 | karl_w_w | it'll even autocorrect fuck to dick, but if I try to type dick it won't do it |
| 10:17.24 | Shockah|Work | ...okay nevermind |
| 10:17.34 | Shockah|Work | unless it's a bad filter |
| 10:20.32 | VIad | wowprogress has a "(r)" behind guild names and "(u)" on characters but the (r) has no tooltip what it means :P |
| 10:20.40 | VIad | maybe recruiting? just guessing |
| 10:20.48 | nevcairiel | yes recruiting |
| 10:20.55 | nevcairiel | and u means you signed up and claimed the char, i think |
| 10:21.42 | VIad | yeah think so |
| 10:21.58 | VIad | should add <attribute> tags on it witha title tbh :p |
| 10:24.47 | VIad | berserk on guldan also buffed his dots :) |
| 10:24.51 | VIad | like dot from soulwell soaking |
| 10:24.57 | VIad | ticked from 200k to 600k on the guys that had it |
| 10:25.04 | VIad | thats a swift death :p |
| 10:25.26 | VIad | soul corrosion ticked 1 mil |
| 10:25.31 | VIad | soul siphon for 600k |
| 10:26.02 | VIad | 2 mil ticks from the fire on the ground during berserk |
| 10:26.15 | VIad | 16 mil autoattacks jesus |
| 10:26.27 | nevcairiel | beserk is meant to basically wipe you instantly, holding out for 20 seconds or so is already quite long |
| 10:26.35 | nevcairiel | he could use a more effective berserk =p |
| 10:28.17 | VIad | less DH kiting :D |
| 10:28.23 | VIad | kited for 10 seconds after my CR |
| 10:28.43 | VIad | just give him 1000% dmg AND movement speed |
| 10:29.03 | VIad | berserk buff had a 30 min duration too fyi :P |
| 10:29.10 | VIad | just in case you manage to kite that long |
| 10:30.57 | VIad | my guild mate forced me to do some mythic clears on my druid alt, after 4 mythic clears I had full 840 set + archimonde legendary trinket dropped :D |
| 10:31.07 | VIad | next day he forced me to do +12 and we even timed it :p |
| 10:31.17 | VIad | 845 ilvl bear tank np |
| 10:34.45 | VIad | the mastery is tbh ridiculus |
| 10:34.53 | VIad | since it scales way too good |
| 10:35.13 | VIad | and given druids have non CD constant mitigation up all the time, it's like, what did blizz think? :p |
| 10:36.04 | VIad | I had 50% healing from my own mastery of all healing I took from the healer, added a lot on my own healing numbers, and mitigation was up all the time so took like 300k DTPS on a 845 druid in a +12 :P |
| 10:36.11 | VIad | neltharion if you wondered |
| 10:36.21 | VIad | first boss was hardest, last one was easiest |
| 10:37.00 | VIad | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/auchindoun/Database/feed |
| 10:37.57 | VIad | feed bleeds bnet achievements over to my druids feed, weird :P |
| 10:43.54 | Shockah|Work | think i gotta talk to our mage http://i.imgur.com/FLaV5SP.png |
| 10:44.28 | Shockah|Work | should have probably cut his name out of the screenshot |
| 10:44.29 | Shockah|Work | oh well |
| 10:44.48 | VIad | KEK |
| 10:45.01 | VIad | dont even know what site that is |
| 10:45.05 | VIad | you cropped out the logo/url :( |
| 10:45.06 | Shockah|Work | checkmywow.com |
| 10:45.54 | Shockah|Work | oh at least he did use that ability on Star Augur |
| 10:48.07 | VIad | scanning our heroic kill log, wondering what it will say :o |
| 10:48.58 | Shockah|Work | tbh it's probably best for windwalker monks |
| 10:49.07 | VIad | since the author plays WW? :P |
| 10:49.13 | Shockah|Work | i think that was the original only dps spec it worked for |
| 10:49.15 | Shockah|Work | and yeah |
| 10:49.30 | Shockah|Work | it includes the most information for these |
| 10:50.15 | Shockah|Work | or it's just that windwalker monks are complicated, no idea lol |
| 10:52.36 | VIad | as tank the only important one is active mitigation, 49/55 casts |
| 10:52.54 | VIad | that I didn't metamorph 3 times is because I tried to save it for very bad situations :P |
| 10:53.04 | VIad | but we didn't have any |
| 10:53.07 | Shockah|Work | well i can't really imagine analysis for tanks being very good |
| 10:53.15 | Shockah|Work | it would have to include all boss mechanics |
| 10:53.19 | Shockah|Work | for each boss |
| 10:54.34 | VIad | or healing :D |
| 10:54.39 | VIad | "go waste your mana!" |
| 10:54.40 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 10:54.49 | VIad | you didn't spam wild regrowth all the time :D |
| 10:54.56 | VIad | and didnt use tranquility on CD |
| 10:55.28 | VIad | kind of same with DPS like if there is a nuke phase like scorpyron |
| 10:55.29 | Shockah|Work | at least it doesn't tell me to use Aspect of the Turtle on cooldown |
| 10:55.43 | VIad | probably shows "wasted" counter not using big CDs outside the weakened phase |
| 10:55.47 | VIad | :d |
| 10:55.55 | Shockah|Work | not "probably" - it surely does |
| 10:55.55 | VIad | turtle on CD |
| 10:56.06 | VIad | always turtle bro |
| 10:56.11 | VIad | 247 |
| 10:56.32 | Shockah|Work | it's funny, because recently i'm rarely using turtle for the turtle effect |
| 10:56.43 | Shockah|Work | i'm mostly casting it and deactivating instantly |
| 10:56.45 | Shockah|Work | to get the healing effect |
| 10:56.46 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 10:57.00 | VIad | I'd use it to avoid a lot of dmg from some dot or big hit |
| 10:57.28 | Shockah|Work | knowing our guild anything can happen, so i try to keep it to the last possible moment |
| 10:57.38 | Shockah|Work | like the Elisande orbs bullshit |
| 10:57.52 | Shockah|Work | ...or us fucking up the last phase and everyone going boom at the same moment |
| 10:58.21 | Shockah|Work | but often i'm super low and i was low already for some time |
| 10:58.24 | Shockah|Work | so i need that heal |
| 10:58.38 | Shockah|Work | and it's like 36% max health heal |
| 10:58.40 | VIad | get the legendaries :D |
| 10:58.44 | VIad | stand still = heal |
| 10:58.48 | VIad | and the other one what was it? |
| 10:58.51 | Shockah|Work | it's 4%... |
| 10:58.55 | Shockah|Work | every 3 seconds... |
| 10:58.55 | VIad | of max hp yes |
| 10:59.01 | VIad | its pretty good |
| 10:59.05 | Shockah|Work | it's pretty awful |
| 10:59.08 | Shockah|Work | and i have it |
| 10:59.13 | Shockah|Work | but i got 2 dps increasing ones |
| 10:59.17 | VIad | it's 100k HPS |
| 10:59.25 | VIad | 34k HPS |
| 10:59.28 | VIad | :D |
| 10:59.37 | Shockah|Work | that 4% won't help me when i'm low and still taking damage |
| 10:59.44 | Shockah|Work | and i'm a goddamn BM hunter |
| 10:59.50 | Shockah|Work | i'm freeeeeee, i can move whenever i want |
| 11:00.02 | Shockah|Work | to the point i have this bad habit |
| 11:00.06 | Shockah|Work | of just jumping around |
| 11:00.13 | Shockah|Work | or strafing all the time |
| 11:00.25 | Shockah|Work | while fighting a boss i mean |
| 11:00.28 | Shockah|Work | :S |
| 11:01.52 | Shockah|Work | doesn't help that the only other char i play is a DK |
| 11:09.37 | karl_w_w | so I've just realised 1440p is the resolution they picked because it's double 720p |
| 11:14.32 | Gnarfoz | gj |
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| 11:40.12 | Shockah|Work | jesus it's so annoying |
| 11:40.16 | Shockah|Work | this glitch http://imgur.com/a/H1hgw |
| 11:44.50 | VIad | I dont quite see it on my potato screen :d |
| 11:44.59 | VIad | object fading away or something? |
| 11:45.06 | Shockah|Work | look at the water |
| 11:45.09 | Shockah|Work | in the center of the screen |
| 11:45.12 | Shockah|Work | right through the middle |
| 11:45.28 | Shockah|Work | i uploaded multiple screenshots from different angles on purpose |
| 11:46.35 | VIad | ah that shit |
| 11:46.39 | VIad | I thought it was some addon :P |
| 11:46.44 | Shockah|Work | nah |
| 11:46.50 | Shockah|Work | it happens to me all the time, mostly in Suramar |
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| 11:46.59 | VIad | I actually dont have that problem with my water rendering and I am using SLI |
| 11:47.00 | Shockah|Work | didn't use to on my home PC though... only on the work Mac |
| 11:47.06 | Shockah|Work | .....until Botanist in Nighthold |
| 11:47.08 | VIad | what I DO have problem with on SLI is the water ripples bugging :P |
| 11:47.13 | Shockah|Work | where it happens RANDOMLY |
| 11:47.16 | VIad | just rippling nonstop buggishly |
| 11:47.29 | VIad | you have 40 fps btw |
| 11:47.49 | Shockah|Work | what about it |
| 11:47.53 | Shockah|Work | i'm on my shitty work Mac |
| 11:48.06 | VIad | :D |
| 11:48.13 | VIad | you play games on work? xD |
| 11:48.37 | Shockah|Work | 12:30-13:30 is my 1h break |
| 11:48.47 | Shockah|Work | usually doing emissaries in that hour |
| 11:49.03 | Shockah|Work | as this Mac can't handle raids anyway |
| 11:49.19 | Shockah|Work | it can't even handle the frost DK artifact ability |
| 11:49.26 | Shockah|Work | as soon as i use it i go down to 2 fps |
| 11:50.22 | Gnarfoz | your character name seems appropriately chosen |
| 11:50.29 | Shockah|Work | :S |
| 11:53.13 | VIad | wow :d |
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| 12:53.29 | _Kee | What a worthy buff for defeating 10 enemies on arena: http://benio.me/pub/res/img/wow/_/momentum.png |
| 12:55.50 | _Kee | I can understand â90% healing, but no heal at all is not fun. |
| 12:56.39 | _Kee | It's like Winning protection. |
| 13:03.12 | VIad | it's to wafflestomp the tanks that rely on healing mechanics |
| 13:03.25 | VIad | since mitigation isn't affected by healing reduction, neither in arena :p |
| 13:03.56 | karl_w_w | "A man who President Donald Trump has promoted as an authority on voter fraud was registered to vote in multiple states during the 2016 presidential election, the Associated Press has learned." |
| 13:04.19 | karl_w_w | I'm pretty sure the writers at the onion are going to be looking for new jobs |
| 13:09.54 | VIad | karl_w_w: you are baiting us. thats def onion news snippet |
| 13:21.36 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: clearly he is an authority on performing voter fraud |
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| 13:39.37 | VIad | â´â¬â´â¤( ͡° ÍÊââ¬â´â¬ |
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| 14:14.35 | VIad | I once logged in from a friends PC and loaded his addons |
| 14:14.40 | VIad | elvUI fucked up a lot of cvars :P |
| 14:14.43 | VIad | that carried over home |
| 14:14.55 | VIad | still to this day finding cvars "oh that wasnt like that!" |
| 14:15.10 | VIad | I wish addons that changed cvars were implicit about that |
| 14:15.35 | VIad | especially with elvui, when you dont even go trough a setup wizard, it shouldnt change my cvars :( |
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| 14:28.54 | VIad | :d http://www.darklegacycomics.com/570 |
| 14:30.25 | Phixion | :( |
| 14:30.30 | Phixion | happened to me to |
| 14:30.32 | Phixion | o |
| 14:47.01 | VIad | did you suicide your rogue? |
| 14:47.53 | haste | VIad: I don't think ElvUI gives a shit about other add-ons/users :P |
| 14:50.44 | VIad | probably not yeah |
| 14:50.49 | VIad | accidental loading and poof it goes :( |
| 14:51.00 | VIad | or like addon settings not specifying when they change cvars or not |
| 14:51.15 | VIad | it could be nice to know, if you disable so you know why some stuff are weird |
| 15:08.06 | Ressy | ElvUI doesn't care about anyone. They used to edit libraries for their own addon, causing issues with other addons. |
| 15:08.38 | haste | that's pretty much what I meant with them not giving a shit about other add-ons/users |
| 15:08.44 | Ressy | nods |
| 15:18.03 | Fisker | Hey Ressy |
| 15:21.09 | VIad | I thought elvui was maintained by one of us here in wowui |
| 15:21.39 | VIad | usually I set a lot of the wowui coders at high standards :p |
| 15:22.07 | haste | Don't think so |
| 15:22.15 | haste | It just includes a lot of code from people from here |
| 15:22.51 | Fisker | Hey haste |
| 15:22.56 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 15:23.05 | VIad | if semlar works on it I never doubt him coding it cleanly :p |
| 15:23.16 | Fisker | <3 |
| 15:23.24 | Semlar | >_> |
| 15:24.02 | VIad | at least he doesnt modify other peoples libs and shit to make his work and break other addons using said lib :d |
| 15:24.11 | VIad | thats actually the first time I heard about that, lol |
| 15:24.33 | VIad | I would never take a lib, modify it and publish like that |
| 15:24.52 | Semlar | i added a feature to advanced interface options to track which addon last modified a cvar |
| 15:25.19 | haste | VIad: You are talking about a compilation that had a backdoor a few years ago so :P |
| 15:25.20 | Semlar | it'll show up in the tooltip in the cvar browser |
| 15:26.36 | VIad | Semlar: +1 thats useful |
| 15:26.44 | VIad | haste: what? |
| 15:26.53 | VIad | like RunScript type backdoor or? |
| 15:27.41 | Semlar | he had some dev code in it that let him run arbitrary lua on a group member's interface |
| 15:28.05 | Semlar | presumably it was to make it easier to test features |
| 15:28.26 | Semlar | but obviously it could be used for anything |
| 15:28.46 | haste | wasn't it abused for something completely different? |
| 15:28.51 | haste | not serious, but still abused |
| 15:29.01 | Semlar | someone on reddit claimed it was used to make them say something in a raid |
| 15:29.12 | VIad | usually people are not competent enough to find such problems, but if it goes viral like on reddit |
| 15:29.27 | VIad | it will quickly get into the exploit sites and they will make crappy code to make it trade gold or whatever |
| 15:29.50 | haste | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2jhlzv/psa_elvui_has_a_backdoor_and_how_to_remove_it/ |
| 15:30.03 | Semlar | reddit flipped their shit and were talking about throwing the guy in jail or something |
| 15:30.12 | haste | lol |
| 15:30.17 | haste | reddit. |
| 15:30.32 | VIad | kek |
| 15:30.35 | Ellypse | Also note that it was checking for toon names and servers but not the region, so if someone in the EU with his toon names knew about this they could have exploited this backdoor |
| 15:31.06 | Semlar | yeah, the only thing is it was in the code for like 5 years or something before this came up |
| 15:31.52 | Semlar | so i'm guessing it wasn't exclusively put there to mess with people |
| 15:31.57 | VIad | exactly. its not a problem until someone finds it and posts. |
| 15:32.12 | VIad | could at least hardcode your player GUID if you wanna have such for testing :P |
| 15:32.17 | VIad | thats a bit harder to fake |
| 15:32.18 | Ellypse | He said it wasn't put there to mess with people but he ended up messing with people anyway |
| 15:32.48 | VIad | he wrote something about testing stuff on his character so he can debug stuff remotely in his guild and such |
| 15:32.53 | Semlar | as far as i know at no point did anyone offer any proof that they had actually done anything |
| 15:33.40 | VIad | imagine having a group in the finder people join it for WQ boss and end up destroying all their gear and bag items :P |
| 15:33.49 | Ellypse | I remember seing screenshots, but I couldn't find them anymore |
| 15:34.07 | Ellypse | Of people doing LFR and seing their character saying stuff |
| 15:34.07 | VIad | who is to blame? the user? the author of the addon? the expliter of the addon code? |
| 15:34.36 | Semlar | it's all about intent vlad |
| 15:35.02 | VIad | but can blizzard ban someone based on their TOS |
| 15:35.09 | VIad | if you exploit some addon and make someone delete their items |
| 15:35.29 | VIad | considering its not something inherently in the games default UI |
| 15:35.30 | Semlar | i'd assume so |
| 15:35.35 | VIad | I am a bit unsure |
| 15:35.47 | VIad | if it was some code in the default UI you exploited, I'd say yes too |
| 15:36.00 | VIad | but if you run some addon, 3rd party, you already kind of are on your ownarent you? |
| 15:36.06 | Semlar | no |
| 15:36.12 | VIad | if I DL an addon that deletes my gear |
| 15:36.16 | Semlar | why would it matter how you do it |
| 15:36.23 | VIad | will blizz restore it and ban the author? :p |
| 15:36.46 | VIad | if I make an addon on wowui and write this addon deletes your gear, and post my bnet tag and info |
| 15:36.52 | VIad | and people actually run it |
| 15:36.57 | VIad | what will happen? legal wise :P |
| 15:37.19 | VIad | should I expect a ban, or why when I stated what it did? interesting subject tbh |
| 15:37.59 | VIad | and how much would blizzard be willing to go in these kind of situations, suspensions and ban wise |
| 15:38.39 | VIad | "clean bags - this addon frees up bag space by deleting your items" |
| 15:38.43 | VIad | almost tempted to try :P |
| 15:39.46 | VIad | language barrier is a bit lame, should maybe add the delete confirmation box too just in case. curious how many would use without reading. too bad I am not good at social experiments. :( |
| 15:40.17 | Ellypse | It's not exactly the same, but there are RP add-ons that let you make "items" that you can trade with people with effects inside them. Some people think it's funny to trade items that makes you /yell stuff against the ToS. I always heard that people get banned and Blizzard doesn't care it comes from add-ons as they are responsible for using such add-ons. So I guess you are responsible for installing an add-on deleting your stuff? |
| 15:40.18 | VIad | reminds me of that game that deleted random files from your computer when you died |
| 15:40.57 | VIad | its certainly a huge gray area in terms of TOS and who is to blame and such |
| 15:41.06 | VIad | I'd assume blizz would distance themselves from addons |
| 15:41.14 | VIad | like, not care if your addon spammed racist things |
| 15:41.32 | VIad | they'd just evaluate based on what happened in-game |
| 15:41.54 | VIad | if you deleted your items via addon, they could help restore it but wouldnt pursue who wrote the addon or such |
| 15:42.08 | VIad | though if its a widespread issue because enough elvui users got their stuff deleted |
| 15:42.22 | VIad | they might make an exception :p and TOS allows blizz to ban anyone whenver they feel like it |
| 15:42.42 | VIad | strickly speaking, steam, blizzard, it's all dictatorships, you can be banned without a reason |
| 15:42.59 | Ellypse | They've only done that for two add-ons I think. Add-ons allowing to speak cross factions |
| 15:43.01 | VIad | google too, got my youtube banned and never even got a clear answer why, mailed them twice >_> |
| 15:43.30 | VIad | I'd assume not that important anymore since DH and pandas can speak cross faction these days, might be more slacky |
| 15:43.47 | VIad | I assume you mean that time in vanilla, long time ago :d |
| 15:43.50 | Ellypse | Well the way they did was clearly detrimental to other people ^^ |
| 15:44.03 | VIad | gold spammers made corpses spell out domain names |
| 15:44.17 | VIad | I wish I had a video when they dropped dead from the sky and you saw their corpses making letters :D |
| 15:44.34 | VIad | should youtube that and see what I can find. it was facinating. |
| 15:44.55 | haste | I remember that |
| 15:45.05 | Ellypse | It would cut the sentence into multiple sentence, one for each character, with a unique word corresponding to the index of the letter of the alphabet (like a = a, aa = b, aaa =c) |
| 15:45.31 | Ellypse | And regroup everything on the receiver ends |
| 15:45.43 | VIad | but blizz fixed that by limiting the amount of word randomness right? |
| 15:45.55 | VIad | or like, the deterministic nature |
| 15:46.07 | VIad | I guess you can still do it with a lot of spam >_> |
| 15:46.27 | Ellypse | Maybe. All I know is that they are banned (according to http://wow.gamepedia.com/Category:Disallowed_AddOns) and you can't enable them (supposedly, if you can find them) |
| 15:46.41 | VIad | oh yes |
| 15:46.52 | VIad | megaban - kjust dont rename the toc :P |
| 15:47.01 | VIad | plz its banned dont rename toc and folder name |
| 15:47.18 | VIad | community gets the point |
| 15:47.24 | VIad | just funny to call it "banned addons" :p |
| 15:47.45 | VIad | or their db files does |
| 15:47.50 | Ellypse | Well the very nature of the system makes it hard to police ^^ |
| 15:47.53 | VIad | though the ban db file has like 20 entries now >_> |
| 15:48.19 | Ellypse | Oh really? I'd be curious to see that file |
| 15:48.56 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the file just has hashes so it's not that interesting |
| 15:49.09 | Ellypse | Oh okay :( |
| 15:49.11 | VIad | yeah its boring |
| 15:49.25 | VIad | also utran uses morse code of .- and apparently wow didnt mask those :p |
| 15:50.13 | Semlar | there was an addon called InterruptPro that was banned in MoP |
| 15:50.29 | Ellypse | Oh, clever :O |
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| 15:50.54 | VIad | found a github with utran source, seems some characters werent being masked so you could use those to make a system for communication |
| 15:50.55 | Aftermathh | hey everyone |
| 15:51.32 | VIad | Aftermathh: you on EU? |
| 15:51.39 | Aftermathh | Yes i'm on EU |
| 15:51.43 | VIad | you swede? |
| 15:51.47 | Aftermathh | yes indeed |
| 15:51.57 | VIad | you monk? |
| 15:52.02 | Aftermathh | yup |
| 15:52.06 | Aftermathh | Are you Synergy? |
| 15:52.09 | VIad | are you stalking me? |
| 15:52.29 | Aftermathh | Not really xD |
| 15:52.44 | VIad | leaving work Ill ask you later how you ended up here and in my guild >_> |
| 15:53.21 | Aftermathh | Oh |
| 15:53.24 | Aftermathh | You're Cyan? |
| 15:53.32 | Aftermathh | Right? |
| 15:56.28 | mckenziemc | no, he's VIad, Minion of Amarande. |
| 16:00.28 | Phixion | :D |
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| 16:42.59 | VIad | how can you tell if I am the master, or apprentice? |
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| 17:18.27 | mckenziemc | you're clearly being used |
| 17:20.51 | Torhal | VIad: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3cFoPxVMAADOUF.jpg |
| 17:29.04 | VIad | kek |
| 17:31.07 | Thunder_Child | VIad: because you are not as bad as Amarande. |
| 17:31.30 | VIad | aww thanks TC |
| 17:31.38 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 17:32.25 | VIad | aww as in how nice :) |
| 17:33.04 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 17:35.33 | VIad | ? |
| 17:41.01 | Thunder_Child | Being compared to Amarande is not a good thing. |
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| 17:42.54 | VIad | you said I am not as bad |
| 17:42.57 | VIad | thats a compliment |
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| 17:46.07 | Thunder_Child | ... |
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| 17:57.08 | mckenziemc | VIad: Thunder_Child's just on his period |
| 17:57.33 | VIad | ah ok |
| 17:57.37 | VIad | I'll be mindful |
| 17:57.39 | Thunder_Child | Puns now? |
| 17:57.43 | Thunder_Child | DIAF mckenziemc. |
| 17:59.39 | mckenziemc | bloody git! |
| 18:02.36 | Torhal | Apparently mckenziemc is on his full-stop. |
| 18:09.59 | Fisker | I think Torhal is cool |
| 18:11.32 | mckenziemc | why did you leave him outside overnight |
| 18:11.46 | mckenziemc | that's not good for Torhals |
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| 18:33.36 | PhatsoTGT | seriously WeakAuras Attachment feature? who's dick i can suck for that? i mean... halleluja |
| 18:33.48 | Stanzilla | Infus_: ^ |
| 18:34.14 | PhatsoTGT | so potato flavor it is :D |
| 18:34.24 | PhatsoTGT | fellow potato doesnt judge |
| 18:36.33 | PhatsoTGT | seriously man |
| 18:37.33 | PhatsoTGT | nice. now nested groups. thats the last remaining bit towards total dominance |
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| 20:01.23 | PhatsoTGT | yo i need an answer: Closure or Metatable Based Classes |
| 20:01.48 | PhatsoTGT | also proper capitalization is illegal now |
| 20:03.51 | Torhal | I've never even heard of closure-based classes... |
| 20:03.56 | Torhal | Seems... WAT. |
| 20:04.53 | PhatsoTGT | well they are faster but more memory intensive |
| 20:04.58 | mckenziemc | i tried that once |
| 20:05.26 | mckenziemc | it's fortunately hidden somewhere in the depths of curseforge |
| 20:06.39 | PhatsoTGT | Torhal the idea is to close the class java/c# like in a function with the functions self as the table root |
| 20:07.46 | Torhal | I found an example which seems like it would get out of hand if you had a large number of "instances" since it creates a new function/method multiplied by the number on the "class" itself per "instance" |
| 20:08.13 | PhatsoTGT | thats what i meant with memory intensive yes |
| 20:08.24 | Torhal | So if you have 10 methods, you're creating 100 functions if you have 10 instances, versus 10 functions using a metatable |
| 20:08.55 | PhatsoTGT | but it performs faster according to most of the people comparing the two |
| 20:09.31 | Torhal | Are they running this shit in a 100k loop? |
| 20:09.45 | Torhal | Even then, it would be negligible. |
| 20:11.18 | mckenziemc | encapsulates Torhal in a brick. |
| 20:12.10 | Torhal | encapsulates mckenziemc in the Mariana Trench. |
| 20:12.31 | PhatsoTGT | my issue really is that what im planning to do right now really requires a super clean OOP implementation and tutorials on the matter seem to be written for people coming from lua rather than purely OOP backgrounds |
| 20:13.45 | Torhal | Maybe I've just not had the need to go nuts in WoW, but I've been fine with prototypical "classes" |
| 20:15.13 | mckenziemc | "To open Slack when itâs not already in use, double-click the Slack icon on your Windows Desktop." << because not being given an option to disable shortcut creation means i'm going to leave it there forever |
| 20:23.54 | mckenziemc | Torhal: it wouldn't be negligible in an infinite loop! |
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| 21:15.06 | PhatsoTGT | uhh is AceAddon using some kind xml documentation software or why are they using @param and @usage comments ? |
| 21:16.03 | nevcairiel | its LuaDoc |
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| 21:33.58 | _Kee | "[22:29:17] You are queued for too many instances." while Staring a group. Really?! |
| 21:35.46 | Corrodias | you're not allowed to want to do *anything* |
| 21:35.56 | Corrodias | you have to pick something and sit on your butt and WAIT |
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| 22:11.25 | Gnarfoz | _Kee: it's probably not lying |
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| 22:31.11 | netameta | Holy shish |
| 22:31.16 | netameta | there are actual people here |
| 22:32.10 | mckenziemc | looks can be deceiving |
| 22:33.21 | netameta | Not very responsive ? |
| 22:35.24 | mckenziemc | the "actual people" part |
| 22:36.05 | mckenziemc | take Semlar for example, he's just an AI to create crappy unreleased addons |
| 22:38.50 | netameta | alrighty |
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