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| 01:01.34 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: any chance nameplates being visible through walls/the ground could be an option? |
| 01:03.39 | nevcairiel | through the ground is never useful, really, but its likely the game just cant tell properly |
| 01:13.05 | TheDanW | if the engine culls the model then we don't know where the nameplate attachment point is |
| 01:13.58 | TheDanW | we're not going to change the culling behavior for nameplates, it's important for performance |
| 01:16.00 | TheDanW | if you're talking about the los/tab-targeting fading, there's a cvar for that (not sure if thats made it to ptr yet) |
| 01:26.06 | Primer | Speaking of tab target... |
| 01:26.11 | Primer | Can that be fixed too? |
| 01:26.49 | Primer | melee toon, ONE thing directly in front of me, 3-4 at max nameplate range...tab, tab, tab...SCREAM IN FRUSTRATION |
| 01:28.35 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: http://i.imgur.com/0q0OGKi.jpg this |
| 01:28.41 | Stanzilla | this just confuses my brain |
| 01:29.14 | Primer | Wow, I had the _exact_ same picture in my mind, Stanzilla! |
| 01:29.36 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
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| 02:01.52 | TheDanW | so on ptr there's a cvar to set to fade out nameplates that you don't have LOS on |
| 02:02.12 | Gethe | :O |
| 02:02.38 | TheDanW | however, you can't actually remove the frame by setting the alpha to 0 |
| 02:02.55 | TheDanW | i'll have to think about if its ok to add something like that |
| 02:03.07 | znf | Why can't we simply get the removal of nameplates if they're behind a wall, thus out of line of sight? |
| 02:03.09 | TheDanW | and by on ptr i mean its either on ptr now or very soon |
| 02:03.31 | znf | Those scenarios that Stanzilla screenshoted are common enough to piss you off |
| 02:03.47 | Semlar | being able to see through walls is half the reason for nameplates! |
| 02:03.53 | TheDanW | i think it would be fine, but there's going to be odd cases where it just barely goes behind a thin occluder |
| 02:03.55 | znf | yeah, but now below you |
| 02:03.57 | TheDanW | and it disappears |
| 02:04.09 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: that already sounds good |
| 02:04.14 | znf | I just wish we had our damn enemy grids back |
| 02:04.33 | znf | tab-targetting is pissing me off @ skorpyo |
| 02:05.00 | znf | skorpyron* I guess |
| 02:05.17 | znf | also Tich, the speed the nameplates move is fucking retarded |
| 02:05.52 | znf | and tab-targetting + dot-ing fails badly, by re-selling the target you've just dot-ed half the time |
| 02:06.08 | znf | re-selecting* |
| 02:06.21 | Semlar | nameplate speed? |
| 02:06.30 | znf | is that a thing? |
| 02:07.09 | Semlar | yes but i don't think there should be a delay by default |
| 02:08.57 | Semlar | cvar is nameplatemotionspeed |
| 02:09.50 | znf | I would like them to move slower |
| 02:10.26 | Semlar | it's a value from 0 to 1 |
| 02:11.53 | Stanzilla | I think KUI already touches that |
| 02:12.12 | Kesava | ji do not |
| 02:12.13 | Semlar | it probably only affects spreading |
| 02:12.24 | Stanzilla | mkay |
| 02:12.39 | Semlar | you will get lag in custom nameplates if you're manually setting the frame position OnUpdate |
| 02:12.55 | Semlar | but that's just visual lag |
| 02:12.59 | znf | also, can we get a fucking way for nameplates to PROPERLY stack instead of overlapping? |
| 02:13.08 | znf | even when they reach the top of the screen? |
| 02:13.12 | znf | that shit's infuriating |
| 02:13.41 | znf | there's no fucking way you get the nameplates to properly stack in any raid right now |
| 02:13.46 | znf | nobody looks at the fucking sky |
| 02:14.02 | Semlar | you can restrict how close to the top of the screen they'll go |
| 02:15.13 | znf | with? |
| 02:15.28 | Semlar | nameplateOtherTopInset |
| 02:15.55 | znf | I don't want that |
| 02:16.05 | znf | I want the nameplates growing DOWN |
| 02:16.29 | Kesava | he wants them to just fill up the entire screen semlar |
| 02:16.35 | TheDanW | then you'd complain you can't see when you're standing in fire |
| 02:16.44 | znf | no, I wouldn't complain about that |
| 02:16.46 | Semlar | i honestly couldn't play with nameplates doing anything except being on top of their units |
| 02:16.50 | znf | overlapping nameplates is horrible |
| 02:17.00 | znf | Semlar, you're a hunter |
| 02:17.03 | znf | you don't multi-dot |
| 02:17.22 | znf | click-targetting is useless for me as a shadow priest unless I point to the sy |
| 02:17.24 | znf | sky |
| 02:17.31 | nebula | on my priest, i prefer overlapping to stacking |
| 02:17.38 | Kesava | well this is why they're trying to fix tab targeting |
| 02:17.40 | Kesava | RIGHT |
| 02:17.49 | Semlar | why would you need to point to the sky |
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| 02:18.47 | Semlar | because you're using stacking nameplates? |
| 02:20.52 | mckenziemc | Your team is already having conversations in channels like #givemeahint and #givemeahint. Time to start a few of your own! |
| 02:20.59 | mckenziemc | can i call it #givemeahint? |
| 02:21.19 | znf | Semlar, once Stacking nameplates reach the top of your screen, they overlap |
| 02:21.28 | znf | so if you have really "tall" units |
| 02:21.43 | znf | and you're looking at them, once the free space has been filled, they overlap |
| 02:22.36 | Semlar | if you just use overlapping nameplates they don't fill up the screen like that |
| 02:23.30 | TheDanW | if you turn off the clamping then they won't overlap at the top |
| 02:24.39 | TheDanW | if you want them to grow down then its a significant amount of work and i'm not even sure if its better, it just creates more problems |
| 02:24.46 | TheDanW | a different set |
| 02:25.08 | Semlar | what he wants is raid frames for enemies |
| 02:25.33 | Kesava | the thing you specifically broke |
| 02:25.36 | Semlar | you know if you just rerolled another class it would solve all of your problems |
| 02:26.37 | Semlar | you wouldn't keep getting rejected from groups, you wouldn't run into that max number of groups you can sign up for, you wouldn't need special nameplate settings |
| 02:26.59 | Kesava | what if he switches to affliction warlock |
| 02:27.14 | Semlar | well at least he could get into groups |
| 02:28.45 | znf | TheDanW, what are the downsides? |
| 02:28.49 | znf | will they grow off-screen? |
| 02:29.16 | Kesava | yes |
| 02:29.38 | znf | I don't want that shit |
| 02:29.39 | Semlar | yeah if you don't clamp them to the screen they'll just float off |
| 02:29.49 | znf | the engine clearly has the possibility of keeping them on the screen |
| 02:29.54 | Semlar | if they grow downward you just have the same problem in another direction |
| 02:30.30 | Semlar | i'm not sure what their behavior is if you set nameplates to the base of the unit instead of their head, i assume the same |
| 02:30.53 | Semlar | but it might help with the "tall units" you're talking about |
| 02:31.37 | mckenziemc | fashions Semlar's nameplate into a bandana. |
| 02:32.00 | mckenziemc | blindfold* |
| 02:32.16 | TheDanW | the thing i am willing to do is expose a cvar to tweak the max stack size, so if x nameplates are stacked then they'll created a new column of stacks instead |
| 02:32.19 | Thunder_Child | ~fail mckenziemc |
| 02:32.19 | purl | mckenziemc, you Fail! |
| 02:32.55 | TheDanW | again, downsides with that as it'll cause more horizontal shifting if the stack size is low, but upside is that they would be less likely to go off the top |
| 02:33.03 | Kesava | i think that is exactly what he wants |
| 02:33.19 | Semlar | he wants his screen to be covered with nameplates |
| 02:33.30 | Semlar | and not overlapping when they hit the top |
| 02:33.32 | Kesava | (and also sounds like a good compromise between not filling the screen with nameplates by default and letting other people be crazy) |
| 02:34.07 | TheDanW | i'll look at making that a cvar tomorrow for an upcoming ptr build |
| 02:35.14 | znf | How do nameplates matter against tab-targetting? |
| 02:35.25 | znf | for example, I know that unless you lok at Helya's head |
| 02:35.32 | znf | there's no damn way to tab-target to her |
| 02:35.50 | TheDanW | tab-targeting is different on ptr |
| 02:35.58 | znf | I haven't been able to log on the PTR yet |
| 02:36.17 | znf | last time I tried, it stayed for 10 minutes on the loading screen and then just returned me to the login screen |
| 02:36.51 | znf | There's 2 things I want from the nameplates, as a multi-dotter: |
| 02:36.58 | znf | 1. Stop overlapping when they grow outside the screen |
| 02:37.26 | znf | 2. Stop swapping positions so fast when the targets are travelling from point A to B |
| 02:37.38 | TheDanW | both of those settings are already cvars |
| 02:37.57 | znf | You said that, but I don't want them to grow off-screen |
| 02:38.10 | znf | They should grow under the max-height target |
| 02:38.17 | Kesava | yes he just said he would try to make a cvar just for you znf |
| 02:38.20 | znf | I know |
| 02:38.22 | _Kee | can we get option to attach clickable secureactionbuttons over nameplates with the only one token: "thisnameplateunit"? |
| 02:38.22 | znf | I'm waiting |
| 02:38.23 | znf | !!! |
| 02:38.38 | Kesava | don't ask for much do you |
| 02:38.44 | znf | I'm lacking the technical vocabulary to explain this |
| 02:39.25 | Gethe | tries to calm znf down |
| 02:39.34 | Semlar | they removed the ability to use nameplate unit IDs with secure frames |
| 02:39.57 | Semlar | they probably aren't going to add it back |
| 02:41.47 | znf | I couldn't care less of tab-targetting and nameplates if they just put the stupid nameplates-enemy-grids back |
| 02:42.10 | _Kee | if I "mouseover" nameplate, I can cast spells on this mouseovered nameplate using "mouseover" token already |
| 02:42.21 | Gnarfoz | you don't even need a nameplate for that |
| 02:43.10 | Semlar | if you put a button over their nameplate, it will block the mouse and you won't have a "mouseover" unit |
| 02:43.25 | _Kee | I just wanted to ask if we could get multiple spells available to cast on single nameplate with different nameplate regions, opposed to requirement to use modifiers, like "alt". |
| 02:43.44 | Kesava | non |
| 02:44.51 | znf | it's incredibly annoying that healers have had nameplates since 1.0 or whatever to target their heals |
| 02:45.01 | znf | and we dps have had to struggle since forever |
| 02:45.07 | znf | we had it in 7.0 and they just took it away |
| 02:45.18 | Semlar | you might be able to pull off changing what spell is cast on a unit based on where you're hovering on their nameplate |
| 02:45.35 | znf | as a multi-dotter, it's incredibly frustrating to try to target a unit that is following your demon-hunter tank at light-speed |
| 02:45.42 | znf | only to click-target the same unit over and over again |
| 02:46.28 | _Kee | â¦until the gets gripped. Then RIP your dps. |
| 02:46.47 | _Kee | s/the/they/ |
| 02:50.17 | mckenziemc | is pretty sure that's not quite what _Kee meant. |
| 02:54.06 | xyphoid_ | say 'getting grips rips the dips' a few times for fun |
| 02:54.35 | Gnarfoz | don't touch my dips, they're tasty |
| 02:55.02 | Semlar | if you just switched specs you could have your stationary unit frames |
| 02:55.11 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.15 | znf | when I heal, everyone dies |
| 02:55.44 | Semlar | well you're supposed to heal your raid not the enemies |
| 02:56.07 | mckenziemc | heals Semlar. |
| 02:56.13 | Semlar | or possibly dps them, i'm not sure how disc works any more |
| 02:56.31 | znf | I simply don't care for healing |
| 02:56.37 | znf | like some healers cant' dps for their life |
| 02:57.38 | mckenziemc | i could tank and heal well but was never good at dps :( |
| 03:01.03 | znf | I can tank and dps |
| 03:01.07 | znf | but priests can't tank :P |
| 03:01.17 | znf | I can't heal for shit |
| 03:01.20 | znf | regardless of class |
| 03:07.29 | Thunder_Child | Really? Just go resto, it's like shotgun healing. |
| 03:08.10 | znf | nah, I only like feral and guardian as a druid |
| 03:09.01 | Thunder_Child | Just think of it like a SP but targeting allies instead of enemies. |
| 03:09.29 | Mr_Rabies | feral druid best druid |
| 03:10.12 | znf | Thunder_Child, too much downtime |
| 03:11.32 | Thunder_Child | Well to each their own. Yours apparently is hating everything. |
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| 03:22.25 | znf | Thunder_Child, shadow priest is fun |
| 03:22.32 | znf | you have to dot everything |
| 03:22.42 | znf | resto druid is broing |
| 03:22.45 | znf | shit goes to full HP |
| 03:22.49 | znf | and then you wank around |
| 03:22.56 | znf | there's nothing to do |
| 03:23.11 | mckenziemc | wat |
| 03:23.28 | znf | I dislike healing |
| 03:26.25 | mckenziemc | but you described not healing |
| 03:28.18 | mckenziemc | (given a multi-healer situation) |
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| 04:09.28 | Stanzilla | znf: l2p |
| 04:09.43 | Stanzilla | good healers dps when there is nothing to heal |
| 04:09.47 | znf | fuck that |
| 04:09.49 | Stanzilla | and druid is the perfect class for that, too |
| 04:09.49 | znf | healing sucks balls |
| 04:13.59 | Primer | hrmm, all of a sudden Skada is broken |
| 04:14.09 | Primer | missing optionaldeps? |
| 04:15.45 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 04:15.47 | Stanzilla | libnotify |
| 04:16.04 | kullervo | healers who don't dps when there's nothing to heal are terrible |
| 04:16.14 | kullervo | they just play it to literally afk |
| 04:16.53 | Stanzilla | yews |
| 04:16.55 | Stanzilla | -w |
| 04:18.51 | Primer | Well, it seems I lack that library |
| 04:18.57 | Primer | Not in CC |
| 04:19.44 | Primer | nm, had to refresh |
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| 13:35.54 | VIad | nevcairiel: I am having problems with fullscreen world map. like, if I open it normally, then click to go full, it shows my icons. but if I use full, then hide and open the map, theicons are not there :( |
| 13:36.19 | VIad | I use HBD to place the icons, but are there other factors that I need to consider to make it work, like a widget hook onshow then do some strata/level alterations when in fullscreen? |
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| 17:19.27 | AcidWeb | heh all clients not counting chinese one use space as separator in battleground score tab |
| 17:19.43 | AcidWeb | but chinese one use FULLWIDTH COLON |
| 17:20.05 | AcidWeb | that is ": " as single char |
| 17:20.21 | foxlit | "ï¼" |
| 17:21.25 | Semlar | SUPERCOLON |
| 17:22.16 | Andols | VIad: I had a problem like that, had to do with the parent of the icon |
| 17:22.31 | mckenziemc | do you have a 40-pound watermelon in your full-width colon, Semlar |
| 17:22.45 | VIad | Andols: I use the worldmapbutton thing as parent, as per nevcairiel's recommendation |
| 17:23.05 | Andols | Then it's something else :) |
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| 18:42.00 | PhatsoTGT | yo did you guys see that shit with Serenity? |
| 18:42.22 | PhatsoTGT | "Apparently someone was preventing Serenity from entering their ID for around 2 hours - without Method's blessing or intention - and thought they were doing the right thing / helping "their team". Here are Sco's comments on the matter:" |
| 18:43.26 | zenzelezz | who's Serenity? |
| 18:45.21 | MiR4i | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5qaftx/serenity_are_currently_locked_out_of_mythic_raid/ |
| 18:45.23 | MiR4i | that ^ |
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| 18:47.49 | mckenziemc | can drama exist without an audience? |
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| 18:54.24 | Gnarfoz | "break" ends a for loop in lua, right? |
| 18:54.36 | Gnarfoz | or just this iteration? (which I would except under "continue") |
| 18:55.59 | mckenziemc | yes break should completely end the loop |
| 18:56.39 | Gnarfoz | yep, ty |
| 18:58.37 | Semlar | stop breaking things gnarfox |
| 18:59.13 | Semlar | that's my job |
| 19:13.50 | Gnarfoz | stop misspelling my name that way, that's Dagmar's job |
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| 19:30.21 | mckenziemc | ~seen Dagmar |
| 19:30.25 | purl | dagmar <dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 389d 23h 10m 26s ago, saying: 'I've certainly seen that make people non-lucid before'. |
| 19:42.56 | Gnarfoz | good riddance |
| 19:47.19 | mckenziemc | heh |
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| 23:11.32 | foxlit | oh hey, they licensensed the opening song for berseria. |
| 23:11.44 | foxlit | either that or forgot to patch it out. |
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