IRC log for #wowuidev on 20170120

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04:29.17Gethenew addons of interest: Blizzard_APIDocumentation, Blizzard_Deprecated
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04:36.26p3limGethe: updated your repo for 7.2?
04:36.39Getheyeah
04:36.44p3limawesome
04:36.59p3limoh docs
04:37.14mckenziemcdid they add documentation so that they can label certain functions as deprecated?
04:38.27p3limare thos docs displayed in-game or something?
04:38.31Gethewell TheDanW said docs were coming a month or 2 ago, but deprecation is new
04:38.44Gethe<PROTECTED>
04:38.55p3liminteresting
04:38.58Getheno xml
04:39.10p3limlooks like only C_* stuff
04:39.32Semlarmarks everything else as deprecated
04:39.44Getheyeah so far, but they might try to put everything into a C_* api chunk
04:39.52p3limI like the idea of that
04:39.57p3limcategorizing everything
04:42.28mckenziemcC_LuaCore.pairs?
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05:15.49p3limthey are killing the ingame voice stuff and mac video recording
05:16.01p3limprob integrating the functionality from bnet
05:28.31Getheyeah, it's not like anyone ever used the in game voice anyway
05:29.33Gethehaven't tried their new bnet voice though
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05:31.05p3limit's quite good
05:31.28p3limproperly integrating that for raid pugs or something would be nice
05:31.36p3limvoid the need for ts3/discord linking and stuff
05:31.50Gethefor sure
05:33.10p3limas nice as discord is, not needing people to install it would be nice (the web version ignored, it's not that stable in my experience)
05:33.44Gethethe web version also does not have PTT
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06:33.12kd3wait, what? it's been... 12 years, and finally: An “Open All” button has been added to the mailbox.
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06:42.19TrelaFuck yeah.
06:44.57kullervodoes it open everything at once?
06:45.05kullervoif not, it's pointless
06:46.48Simcakd3: aren't the servers down?
06:47.01kd3eh, I just looked at the patch notes
06:47.05kd3haven't tried to get on yet
06:47.34AmiYuyYeah, PTR is down atm, just tried to log on
06:50.06FiskerHow does it handle 50+ messages kd3
06:50.08Fisker?
06:50.18kd3dunno. I got home after the ptr went down
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07:57.01*** topic/#wowuidev is 7.1.x ToC: 70100 || http://pastebin.com || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || This channel is logged, via purl
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09:14.52AndolsIs the ptr 7.2?
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09:56.00VIadif not it's soon
09:56.32VIad7.2 in march/april so plenty of time
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09:57.45AndolsZnf: https://i.imgur.com/XziYAwC.png
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11:34.11VIadchecking in with the USA, has emperor trump launched the nukes yet?
11:43.02Andols25h 18min left
11:43.24VIadok. I'll prepare my goggles so the nuclear blast doesn't hurt my eyes.
11:43.45VIadI suspect more central europe or asia to be targets
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13:42.30Gnarfoz_p3lim: they're making Talentless mostly redundant :(
13:42.46p3limthe autoswapping yes
13:43.20p3limthe UI implemented with Talentless and the tome/codex buttons are enough for me to keep it alive
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13:43.56p3limI just wonder if setIDs are unique or just index based
13:44.01p3limhoping for the former
13:44.03Gnarfoz_sure, I know it's not the only thing it does nowadays ^^
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13:44.14Gnarfoz_just saying, I guess you got Blizzard'd ;p
13:44.19Gnarfoz_also, wtf is going on
13:44.22p3limIn more than one place :]
13:44.30GnarfozI like the open all mail button
13:44.35Gnarfozonly took them 13 years
13:44.39p3limyeah
13:44.55p3limstill haven't looked at their logic, the one I have myself is stupid fast so
13:45.22GnarfozI have two
13:45.24Gnarfozlol :D
13:45.28p3lim:p
13:45.29Gnarfozone from Postal, one from TSM
13:45.41Gnarfoz(but TSM's is on its own TSM tab, so that's unaffected anyway)
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14:06.59p3limugh, OPEN_ALL_MAIL_MIN_DELAY
14:07.24p3limthat is such a cheaty way to avoid internal mail errors
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14:14.20VIadanother interesting lecture about reverse engineering cable/satelite television https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO4TNnkN64A
14:14.43VIadit was kind of cool how complicated the process is based on that the tech is 20 years old :p
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14:35.04Gnarfozp3lim: :?
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14:35.08Gnarfoz:>
14:35.49p3liminstead of checking when item/money was received by the client before progressing to the next auto mail opening they wait X amount of seconds
14:36.00p3limwith server lag that is gonna spew errors
14:37.41GnarfozI just typoed my reaction ^^
14:44.09pompyp3lim: postal has a "opening speed" option
14:44.35p3limwhich is completely unneccessary
14:44.43p3limjust implement it properly
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14:51.51GnarfozI doubt that code has been touched since vanilla
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14:59.37AndolsZnf: About Warforged/Titanforged. In a Itemstring the 14 (parameter?) tells you how many BonusIds there is, and the last value is 3336 it is Warforged and 3337 it's Titanforged (or the opposite don't remember)
15:00.03znfAndols, yeah, but which are which?
15:00.09znfbecause warforged comes with different modifiers
15:00.15znf+ilvl, +socket, +tertiary stats
15:03.26_KeeITEM_MOD_CR_AVOIDANCE_SHORT -- Avoidance
15:03.26_KeeITEM_MOD_CR_LIFESTEAL_SHORT -- Leech
15:03.26_KeeITEM_MOD_CR_SPEED_SHORT -- Speed
15:03.26_KeeITEM_MOD_CR_STURDINESS_SHORT -- Indestructible
15:03.26_KeeEMPTY_SOCKET_PRISMATIC -- Socket
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15:04.35_Keewarforged is +5 and +10, titanforged is +15 and more
15:07.26Andols3337 is Titanforged
15:07.34AndolsUsing this to detect
15:07.35Andolshttps://hastebin.com/anirituveg.vbs
15:07.50AndolsI'm only interested if it is a warforged/titanforged
15:21.52p3limwhere are all the LE_* constants/strings defined?
15:21.55p3limC side?
15:23.54znf_Kee, I tought WF is also +10?
15:23.55znferm
15:23.56znfnvm
15:23.59znfI read +5/+10
15:24.03znfalso, I'm interested in which is which
15:27.05AndolsWarforged 3336, titanforged 3337 or am I misunderstanding you :D
15:28.32znfHow do you distinguish between +5 and +10 warforged?
15:28.39AndolsNo clue :D
15:28.41Kethowhy starter edition accounts can't post on US PTR forums anymore, I remember it was possible some time ago
15:29.11znfbecause
15:29.12znf!
15:29.51Kethonot my forum
15:30.20_KeeI wish blizz forums was splat beetween alliance and horde, not eu and us.
15:33.09znf3397 is also warforged, I think
15:33.33znfSimca!
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16:31.35Thunder_Child_That's cool, Amazon is going to be making a 6-part miniseries for Good Omens.
16:34.09Gnarfozp3lim: no idea, but of course... https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Helix/LuaEnum.lua foxlit to the rescue
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16:58.44mckenziemc"splats" _Kee between alliance and horde by teleporting them 10000 feet above a battlefield without a parachute
17:00.52AndolsNow It's done
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17:23.34TheDanWwe're not moving any built-in lua functions into a namespace, but we're moving towards all system specific API being in a namespace
17:24.24TheDanWin an upcoming ptr build enums will start being included in the docs, existing enums have to be moved over to the new approach by hand so that may take awhile
17:24.46TheDanWbut most new enums should have docs
17:25.40mckenziemci was just teasing, figured it would be something like that
17:28.54TheDanWoh yeah, i figured :)
17:31.37znfhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MS6FO50/
17:33.00znfTheDanW, in 7.2, how does tab-targetting handle questing, considering the recent notes on it not switching to mobs you're not in combat with?
17:34.33TheDanWlike i mentioned earlier, tab-targetting isn't UI
17:34.51znfdamn it
17:35.10AndolsTheDanW: You know znf loves (or hates) tab-targeting :D
17:36.26TheDanWi'd recommend trying it out and giving feedback on the appropriate channels :)
17:37.23znfI will, tomorow
17:37.37znfAndols, tab-targetting was fine until 6.0 >_<
17:37.58AndolsI am a healer so got no clue :D
17:38.25znfI vote we get rid of raid frames, because we have no enemy frames anymore!
17:39.02AndolsNameplate only healing
17:39.09AndolsShivers
17:39.09znfyes
17:39.30znfyou get to experience the joy of stacking nameplates that decide to overlap when there's too many of them
17:39.45znfand the old "gonna jump all over your screen when the npc moves"
17:40.00znfwhat? you wanted to target /that/ specific nameplate? try again!
17:40.08mckenziemcjust let some of your teammates die so the number of nameplates becomes manageable again
17:46.25_Keefinds an advantage of this situation, uses his Goblin Glider, and flies right to the enemy camp
17:46.45_KeeAny chance getting tabtargetX castable tokens in 7.2?
17:49.20TheDanWnope
17:49.30_Keeok :(
17:49.56TheDanWtoo abusable unfortunately
17:52.14mischanixWhoever thought up the optimization for mostly-zero columns in WDB6 needs to apologize to my codebase :(
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21:02.03Simcadocumented WDB6 format, fwiw
21:02.13Simcahttps://wowdev.wiki/DB2#WDB6_.28.db2.29 to whom it may concern
21:02.22Simcaprobably foxlit and/or semlar
21:02.53Semlarare they breaking things again
21:03.00mckenziemcyour face
21:04.33Simcathey implemented a sort of 'partial data compression' where they took some columns out of normal data and added them at the end as 'ID,value' pairs for each column
21:04.42Simcaif lookup of ID,value pair fails, you assume 0
21:05.00Simcait's used when 90% of the values in a column are 0, basically
21:05.08Simcait means they only have to store 10% of the data
21:06.30Semlari see
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22:00.46LexSfXis it just me or are nameplate health updates super laggy now?
22:00.59LexSfXthey take more than a whole gcd to update often
22:05.23Stanzillahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbDv7imglLI
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22:08.35GuillHello everyone! Happy Friday!
22:08.50SemlarHI GUILL
22:09.02Stanzillait's him
22:09.06GuillHI SEMLAR
22:09.22Semlarwe missed blaming you for things
22:09.31GuillI'm confused
22:09.38GuillI'm not here to defend myself now. Isn't that the best time to blame me?
22:09.46Semlarit's just not the same
22:12.26Semlarwe could blame TheDanW but his handle has too many syllables in it
22:19.28_Keewould love to see first player on each server who gets X Qiraji Commendations, and every player upto 10h after that, getting a suprising, unique achievement, with a reward, but distributed only after the whole event ends. That would be great.
22:22.59Stanzilladenied
22:23.26TheDanWoh look who it is
22:23.53mckenziemcsends Guill some snow and cold from the Sierra Nevada.
22:24.09mckenziemcit's no Blizzard but it's still cold
22:25.23GuillPlenty of rain and cold here already. And wind!
22:26.12mckenziemcthe wind and rain died down temporarily, so i have to use http://asoftmurmur.com instead!
22:26.16Guill(for a Southern California definition of cold)
22:33.17Thunder_ChildAnd the usual fact that people lose their shit when water falls from the sky.
22:39.18mckenziemchttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Water_in_California_new.png
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22:58.35mischanixActually if 90% are default, then they have to store 20% of the original data size for 4-byte columns since there is an ID with each value; 30% for 2-byte columns, and 50% for 1-byte columns.
22:59.00mischanixTo be fair the ratio is often much better than 9:1.
23:01.42mischanixWhat DBs could potentially benefit a ton more from is something like https://github.com/lemire/simdcomp.  Determine the number of bits for the ID space, pack them in one array, and then the values in another; bsearch the ids, then access the value.
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