| 00:03.38 | Gnarfoz | have the various os-specific forks been reconciled by now? |
| 00:03.41 | znf | it's pretty stable |
| 00:03.50 | znf | I've no idea about the specifics |
| 00:03.52 | znf | of each OS |
| 00:03.56 | znf | I'm on BSD with it |
| 00:03.57 | Iriel | Do you mean that, or oddo you mean "pretty stable if you happen to be exclusively on linux"? |
| 00:03.59 | znf | it's pretty stable |
| 00:04.03 | Iriel | That's a start. |
| 00:04.18 | znf | I've had boxes with it in production with 2+ years uptime |
| 00:05.41 | Gnarfoz | considering Linux, for years, was supported worse than other platforms, that's the wrong assumption, Iriel |
| 00:05.58 | Gnarfoz | it was more like "pretty stable if you happen to be on bsd", I think |
| 00:06.17 | Gnarfoz | no idea about now, or even in general, just pointing out the bsd affinity |
| 00:06.32 | Iriel | I just remember a couple of years ago it only seemed supported on a coupl eof platforms _well_ |
| 00:06.38 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 00:06.46 | Iriel | It could have been BSD over linux |
| 00:07.00 | Gnarfoz | that's probably still true. Illumos (n |
| 00:07.24 | Iriel | It was one of these wierd "This filesystem is THE FUTURE" things that had surprisingly low traction outside of its core |
| 00:07.55 | Gnarfoz | that's probably still true. Illumos (née Solaris), FreeBSD, Linux, macOS (née OS X) |
| 00:08.23 | Gnarfoz | well, this filesystem is the future for some applications under the appropriate circumstances |
| 00:08.43 | Iriel | You people and your technical subtleties. |
| 00:09.08 | Gnarfoz | technical subtleties, the best kind of subtleties? |
| 00:09.27 | foxlit | zfs support on os x never materialized, and never will, iirc? |
| 00:09.55 | Gnarfoz | supposedly supported through "MacZFS" |
| 00:10.27 | Iriel | There's https://openzfsonosx.org/ too |
| 00:10.31 | foxlit | Note: Development of MacZFS ceased in mid 2013. |
| 00:10.38 | Iriel | I'm trying to figure out which of /those/ are stable |
| 00:10.52 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.50 | Gnarfoz | that's something else entirely, though |
| 00:12.59 | znf | it can be used as a block device with librbd |
| 00:13.01 | Gnarfoz | and it goes even further in the wrong direction for the goal of having a shared network drive where 70-year olds can pile their (and their children's) photos and such |
| 00:13.05 | znf | I'd say it's the same :D |
| 00:13.16 | Gnarfoz | you say the weirdest things, though |
| 00:13.44 | znf | wish I could get the budget for a Ceph cluster :( |
| 00:15.19 | Gnarfoz | on ZFS: "Populating 128-bit file systems would exceed the quantum limits of earth-based storage. You couldn't fill a 128-bit storage pool without boiling the oceans." Project leader for ZFS, Jeff Bonwick :D |
| 00:16.04 | nevcairiel | that sounds like a similar quote for the ipv6 size |
| 00:16.04 | Gnarfoz | (it's good (and slow) at what it does, and maybe some day I'll find a use for it, but it's certainly not for my mum & dad :P) |
| 00:19.02 | znf | it's slow at removing data |
| 00:19.04 | znf | very fuckign slow |
| 00:19.51 | znf | or, rather, CPU intensive |
| 00:20.02 | znf | when I remove 2-3tb of data, I get load avg. 50-60-100 |
| 00:23.58 | Iriel | That doesn't sound like a desirable situation, unless that's "fake" load. |
| 00:25.20 | znf | oh come the fuck on |
| 00:25.24 | znf | my laptop's battery broke again |
| 00:26.25 | nevcairiel | load shows IO as well as CPU |
| 00:27.01 | znf | like, what the fuck is causing this battery to go ba |
| 00:27.02 | znf | like, what the fuck is causing this battery to go bad |
| 00:27.04 | znf | I don't get it |
| 00:27.21 | znf | company bought a new battery in July |
| 00:27.31 | znf | I had it replaced in October, because it stopped charing |
| 00:27.32 | Gnarfoz | my "replacement" battery for my old netbook was worse than the original |
| 00:27.39 | znf | now it's dead again |
| 00:27.46 | Gnarfoz | at least the original worked at some point, now both don't. :D |
| 00:28.06 | znf | Could the charger be broken? :-/ |
| 00:28.27 | znf | FUCK |
| 00:28.40 | znf | And I have to leave for 3 days, too, and I needed the laptop |
| 00:28.46 | Iriel | Or the power control module on the motherboard |
| 00:28.56 | Iriel | (Whatever the kids call those these days) |
| 00:31.12 | znf | I honestly can't believe this shit |
| 00:31.52 | fewyn | so i stayed up until 4am last night playing stellaris |
| 00:32.06 | Iriel | fewyn: Success, then? |
| 00:32.37 | fewyn | major success |
| 00:32.58 | Iriel | I stayed up until 1am playing Event[0] |
| 00:33.08 | fewyn | i keep ending up running out of influence |
| 00:33.21 | Iriel | I suspect I'll have to play through it a second time to figure out other endings |
| 00:33.44 | znf | windows says - plugged in, charging |
| 00:33.50 | znf | but it ain't charging |
| 00:37.30 | znf | couldn't you break next fucking year, god damn it |
| 01:20.53 | Gnarfoz | foxlit:Â https://openzfsonosx.org/ then |
| 01:25.21 | Neffi | could always just switch to BSD,.then no need to worry about implementation quality on other platforms ;) |
| 01:33.57 | foxlit | afs is soon, anyway. |
| 01:34.11 | foxlit | er, apfs. |
| 01:37.22 | Gnarfoz | Neffi:Â or to Solaris, which would make more sense, considering that's "where it's from" ^^ |
| 01:38.36 | Gnarfoz | (also, APFS doesn't have checksums for file data, yet, and it's less finished than even btrfs... meh) |
| 01:38.36 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: zfs on freebsd has more features AFAIK |
| 01:38.37 | Neffi | plus freebsd is a rather nice system (although I've never used Solaris) |
| 01:42.36 | Gnarfoz | more features than ZFS on Linux, maybe. I doubt it ever exceeded Solaris, considering the BSD version, too, is a port |
| 01:42.58 | Gnarfoz | (they've drifted apart now anyway, since Solaris is closed source again) |
| 01:43.27 | Neffi | nods |
| 01:43.45 | Neffi | I thought a few features were pioneered after the split but now I can't remember |
| 01:43.57 | Neffi | anyway the freebsd implementation is very good |
| 01:44.19 | Neffi | the Linux one, not so much, last I checked |
| 01:46.03 | Gnarfoz | they are on feature parity, though |
| 01:50.23 | Neffi | isn't Linux's larc implementation still bad at evicting cache as the system need to reclaim ram? |
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| 04:06.11 | foxlit | my poor tokenizer is offended at this file :( |
| 04:08.53 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/tt.txt |
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| 04:16.42 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 04:21.42 | Semlar | i'm offended at that file |
| 04:22.08 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that means you have to duel me |
| 04:24.42 | foxlit | ah, I have a runaway %S+ that just... captures... everything... |
| 04:30.11 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/wut/#q:_ << everyone's favorite global. |
| 04:31.57 | mikma | Oooog. map duel with semlar |
| 04:32.08 | mikma | that will be fun |
| 04:33.27 | Semlar | yeah right, i'm a level 7 cartography blackbelt |
| 04:34.10 | Semlar | i bet you don't even have a compass |
| 04:36.18 | Semlar | DankMemes/DankMemes.lua: 624, 1124, 1136, 1139, 1142, 1150 |
| 04:41.20 | foxlit | have you been releasing addons again, Semlar? |
| 04:41.30 | Semlar | i didn't do nuffin |
| 04:41.42 | Semlar | i did leak an underscore once |
| 04:43.37 | Semlar | found that out when blizzard leaked their own |
| 04:44.01 | foxlit | I updated this for 2016 addons, but kind of lost the framexml integration, so no telling whether the default ui still reads it somewhere |
| 04:46.10 | Semlar | i'm sure they wouldn't do something like that twice |
| 04:46.18 | Semlar | not blizzard |
| 04:46.24 | foxlit | *four times. |
| 04:46.33 | Semlar | yeah they definitely wouldn't do it four times |
| 04:47.05 | Semlar | to be fair to them, they can leak it all they want |
| 04:47.11 | Semlar | it's not really their problem |
| 04:47.53 | foxlit | hence reads rather than writes |
| 04:50.02 | Semlar | but then they leak and we leak it and it gets awkward |
| 04:51.37 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/wut/#q:round |
| 04:51.47 | foxlit | I wonder if all those implementations are compatible. |
| 04:52.54 | Semlar | it would be easier to tell if we could see what line this was referring to |
| 04:53.42 | foxlit | hah, no. |
| 04:54.03 | foxlit | it's 1.4G of compressed data |
| 04:55.03 | foxlit | spitting out random lines from those zips would take approximately forever. |
| 04:55.36 | Semlar | it's 1.6gb of just text or did you include the media |
| 04:56.26 | Semlar | that seems like way too much for just lines of code |
| 04:56.56 | foxlit | 1.4gb of whatever is in people's release archives. hopefully nobody ships a wallpaper collection. |
| 04:57.37 | Semlar | if you stripped everything but the toc, xml and lua files i think it would be a lot smaller |
| 04:58.20 | mckenziemc | strips Semlar down to nothing. |
| 05:03.08 | Semlar | jokes on you |
| 05:04.49 | foxlit | Semlar: https://go-hero.net/i/fl.txt you tell me :) |
| 05:05.13 | Semlar | you better not crash my browser |
| 05:05.23 | Semlar | which also happens to be my irc client |
| 05:05.59 | Semlar | text compresses down to nothin |
| 05:07.37 | mckenziemc | only one input can compress to an empty string in lossless compression =/ |
| 05:08.40 | Semlar | you can get it down to like 2% of its original size |
| 05:09.18 | Semlar | and i doubt most of these addons have that much text |
| 05:09.51 | mckenziemc | you try downloading every addon on curse |
| 05:10.11 | Semlar | i don't use addons |
| 05:10.27 | foxlit | 2% is mighty optimistic |
| 05:10.54 | Semlar | depends on the text, but i have a 200mb javascript file that makes a 3mb archive |
| 05:11.46 | Semlar | with ppmd |
| 05:12.41 | foxlit | in any case, using fancier compression algorithms is actually worse here: the random-access retrieval is so going to suffer. |
| 05:13.12 | Semlar | true, but it would be smaller just removing everything that isn't text |
| 05:13.32 | foxlit | experimentally, I get about zip files are about 30% of code size. |
| 05:13.45 | foxlit | s/about zip files/zip files which are/ |
| 05:13.50 | Semlar | do you have 7zip |
| 05:14.22 | foxlit | no, I have git. |
| 05:18.11 | Semlar | might not work as well with smaller files |
| 05:18.15 | foxlit | 'For ZIP and GZIP formats, 7-Zip provides a compression ratio that is 2-10 % better than the ratio provided by PKZip and WinZip' is what their webpage claims. |
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| 05:19.35 | Semlar | yeah i get about 20-25% of the original lua file sizes |
| 05:19.50 | Semlar | so not as big of a difference |
| 05:20.15 | Semlar | the javascript probably reuses a lot of the same data |
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| 09:55.22 | VIad | nevcairiel: is quartz abandoned? :( |
| 09:59.42 | nevcairiel | works fine doesnt it |
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| 10:05.17 | VIad | doesnt swing timer on my demon hunter, at all :'( |
| 10:05.21 | VIad | in either specs |
| 10:05.30 | nevcairiel | blame blizzard |
| 10:05.37 | nevcairiel | also swing timers are largely useless anyway |
| 10:08.16 | nevcairiel | detecting swings for dual weild melee attacks is basically not possible |
| 10:08.30 | nevcairiel | wield* |
| 10:08.42 | nevcairiel | since you never know which attack is which hand |
| 10:10.32 | VIad | :'( ok |
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| 10:15.46 | nevcairiel | has never shown swing timers for dual wielders, but alas it was really only ever important for arms warriors and some hunter specs anyway = p |
| 10:25.26 | Semlar | hunters actually need to track their swing timer because barrage resets it and some things proc off our auto-shots |
| 10:26.18 | nevcairiel | i did mention hunters, didnt I! |
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| 11:27.11 | AcidWeb | Is utf-8 aware string.sub is impletented somewhere in original ui? |
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| 11:38.44 | VIad | AcidWeb: blizz has some unicode functions in their string |
| 11:39.06 | VIad | btw string.explodePHP LOL |
| 11:41.37 | AcidWeb | Well in this case i stick with own implementation. |
| 11:42.21 | VIad | strcmputf8i |
| 11:42.25 | VIad | strlenutf8 |
| 11:42.33 | VIad | specific utf8 based funcs |
| 11:42.39 | VIad | weirdly not part of string table :/ |
| 11:42.55 | VIad | string.explodePHP made my day |
| 11:46.58 | VIad | nevcairiel will be furious |
| 11:47.03 | VIad | how does blizz dare bring php into lua :D |
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| 12:07.29 | nevcairiel | of course the answer is blizzard doesnt, there is no such function in the base game |
| 12:07.31 | nevcairiel | must be an addon |
| 12:15.31 | VIad | thats retarded |
| 12:15.40 | VIad | why some addon would add stuff to the existing functions tbh |
| 12:15.43 | VIad | like editing math, string |
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| 18:13.59 | Unkle | FUUUUUUCK! https://twitter.com/NPR/status/813808782757208064 |
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| 18:16.37 | Andols | Crap =( |
| 18:19.51 | Thunder_Child | I have to damit, it does seem odd to 'like' a post in that situation. |
| 18:19.59 | Thunder_Child | s/damit/admit/ |
| 18:28.44 | Gnarfoz | that's why there's that other option |
| 18:32.28 | Thunder_Child | I don't use twitter so I would not know. |
| 18:51.57 | Andols | https://www.reddit.com/r/HighQualityGifs/comments/5kjoga/when_i_heard_about_george_michael_and_the_denial/dbog1uo/ HighQualityJinx? |
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| 19:02.23 | kd3 | man, fuck 2016 |
| 19:03.25 | Thunder_Child | It's only going to get worse. |
| 19:05.21 | kd3 | sure hope not. there's only 4 days left |
| 19:07.12 | Thunder_Child | I meant over time, not 2016 specifically. |
| 19:12.38 | Gnarfoz | what he said https://twitter.com/HamletEJ/status/812774567471104002 |
| 20:11.36 | mckenziemc1 | also something about exponential growth of populations and exposure, and delay differential equations |
| 20:13.01 | mckenziemc1 | math \o/ |
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| 20:35.15 | AcidWeb | foxlit: It look like Globe is dead. |
| 21:04.56 | foxlit | mm? |
| 21:14.54 | VIad | karl_w_w: why am I playing dota2 and no one has custom items? |
| 21:14.59 | VIad | bot game, solo, for fun :p |
| 21:16.19 | AcidWeb | foxlit: nvm. It is working now. Hour ago it just accept file upload and do nothing. |
| 21:20.08 | foxlit | in completely unrelated news, I probably need another zipfile-reading library for lua. |
| 21:22.05 | Stanzilla | you look like a person that likes to write his own |
| 21:29.59 | foxlit | that wouldn't be a very fun thing to write. |
| 21:30.26 | Andols | Why are you going to do with that? |
| 21:34.19 | Thunder_Child | read zipfiles. |
| 21:34.33 | Gnarfoz | that's not a why-answer |
| 21:34.44 | Thunder_Child | Neither was the question. |
| 21:45.08 | Semlar | is there a word for people who basically repeat what you just said back to you and act like they've contributed something |
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| 21:55.20 | Thunder_Child | Idiot? |
| 22:04.52 | mckenziemc | i think that's a little harsh for anyone but you |
| 22:08.49 | foxlit | (the current one uses zziplib, which struggles with some... recent... extensions of the format.) |
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| 22:09.34 | foxlit | (the current one uses zziplib, which struggles with some... recent... extensions of the format.) |
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| 22:24.30 | Thunder_Child | mckenziemc: Harsh for anyone else to say, or harsh for it to be applied to anyone but me. |
| 22:52.17 | Torhal | applies PDP-11 patches to Thunder_Child. |
| 23:03.18 | VIad | http://imgur.com/H0WCfFE |
| 23:04.44 | fewyn | 2016 sucks |
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| 23:06.59 | Shockah | "GIVE ME A LEGENDARY YOU BITCH" worked for me today |
| 23:07.02 | VIad | ikr christmas and new year on sunday, no bonus days off work :/ |
| 23:07.16 | fewyn | i get monday off |
| 23:07.20 | fewyn | and i had yesterday off |
| 23:07.26 | fewyn | observed holidays yo |
| 23:07.28 | VIad | last year was like wed-fri days off + wekend :D |
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| 23:17.10 | Andols_ | Will be nice in 2 years |
| 23:17.21 | Andols_ | Weekend + Mon-wed |
| 23:21.47 | Andols_ | and then weekend + mon-tuesday off |
| 23:28.34 | mckenziemc | depends on where you work |
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| 23:36.26 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=112011 theories anyone? |
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