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| 00:23.17 | nimhfree | does anyone know if there is a way to detect that Blizzard has added more world quests during game play? I know there is API to get how much time is left for the current events, but was wondering if an addon can know when Blizzard adds a new one |
| 00:24.41 | znf | every 6 hours there's new ones |
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| 00:25.23 | nimhfree | is there a way I know when that 6 hour mark happens so I can set a timer? |
| 00:26.22 | foxlit | GameTime/6? |
| 00:26.50 | znf | local time for me is 22/4/10/16 |
| 00:27.01 | znf | or was it 21/3/9/15 |
| 00:27.03 | znf | can't remember |
| 00:27.30 | foxlit | meh, just check every hour. |
| 00:28.20 | znf | oh, ok, so for EU is |
| 00:28.36 | znf | 2/8/14/20 server time |
| 00:31.22 | nimhfree | iâll just check on the hourâ¦thanks :-) |
| 00:36.10 | znf | I can't help but not notice that these guys don't care much about my disguise http://i.imgur.com/lOgYi6I.png |
| 00:37.46 | foxlit | someone is slacking on their illidan fragments |
| 00:38.24 | znf | I don't care for no stinking artifact appearance |
| 00:41.59 | foxlit | hm, did something indicate that it was for an artifact appearance? |
| 00:48.31 | znf | foxlit, wasn't it? |
| 00:50.19 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 00:50.25 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/cVVvTrp.png I am here |
| 00:50.27 | znf | now what? |
| 00:51.46 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, it isn't, that's the other one |
| 00:55.41 | znf | wonder what's that big ball http://i.imgur.com/dAj1r1D.png |
| 00:55.48 | znf | is this the place where you fight the last boss of EN? |
| 00:58.54 | znf | or, rather elissandre or whatshername |
| 00:59.47 | Semlar | xavius? |
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| 01:14.52 | znf | Semlar, other raid... |
| 01:15.11 | Semlar | EN? |
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| 01:16.45 | tz | man, hearthhead's authentication is such a piece of shit |
| 01:17.17 | Gnarfoz | s/hearthead's/zam's entire/ |
| 01:17.23 | tz | yep |
| 01:17.49 | tz | "Password should contain at least one uppercase letter, one lowercase letter, one number, one special character, and be at least 8 characters long." |
| 01:18.12 | tz | ====> X6BreG3,bLzrEoeqD{TiPE69sF}^naQk |
| 01:18.16 | tz | no, passwords don't match |
| 01:18.22 | tz | yeahhhhhhhhh, good work sunshine |
| 01:18.35 | znf | the special character fucks me over |
| 01:18.35 | mckenziemc | and no more than 16, because that's clearly a necessary limit, right? |
| 01:18.48 | znf | for years I had a password for all these annoying websites |
| 01:18.52 | znf | then they started adding special chars |
| 01:19.02 | tz | hash your fucking passwords properly and don't add stupid constraints like this shit |
| 01:19.18 | Gnarfoz | I'm more annoyed that it seems impossible to stay logged in |
| 01:19.25 | tz | I _can't_ log in |
| 01:19.36 | tz | reset password on the hearthhead site doesn't even enable the button |
| 01:19.48 | znf | Gnarfoz, I think that's because they store browsers' UA in their login cookie |
| 01:19.51 | tz | so I tried it from wowhead, that reset fine there, but then hearthhead doesn't accept the credentials |
| 01:20.00 | znf | ie: the auth cookie is tied to browser version |
| 01:20.06 | znf | and seeing that chrome updates so fucking often... |
| 01:20.27 | znf | or at least that's what I managed to figure out so far about all these websites that forget to keep you logged on |
| 01:21.11 | tz | bahaha |
| 01:21.12 | tz | "A server error has occured. Please try again later." |
| 01:21.16 | tz | fucken useless |
| 01:21.44 | tz | should change the header from "Hearthhead _beta_" to "Hearthhead _shitter_" |
| 01:21.48 | tz | a bit more relevant |
| 01:22.43 | znf | I'm not even sure how they are still alive |
| 01:22.52 | znf | Whole Zam I mean |
| 01:24.02 | Gnarfoz | by reducing personnel until ad revenue covered operating costs? ^^ |
| 01:24.34 | tz | awesome, went to log in again on hearthhead |
| 01:24.36 | tz | "file_put_contents(): Only 0 of 1407 bytes written, possibly out of free disk space" |
| 01:24.47 | tz | top notch work guys |
| 01:25.27 | znf | Haha |
| 01:25.42 | znf | Out of disk space issues are common :D |
| 01:25.59 | znf | I tend to run into some of them too on our clients websites |
| 01:26.08 | znf | Well, more of a quota issue anyway |
| 01:26.17 | tz | quotas more likely, yeah |
| 01:26.21 | tz | but still |
| 01:26.30 | tz | your question from before is right |
| 01:26.36 | tz | how the fuck do they even still exist |
| 01:26.51 | znf | Tough it can happen with lowly provisioned vm's too |
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| 01:30.01 | kd3 | Welp. Just broke the cardinal sin of grocery shopping while hungry... |
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| 01:39.24 | Torhal | Your poor, poor bank account. |
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| 02:12.09 | mckenziemc | sends Torhal to the store with hungry cats. |
| 02:13.30 | Torhal | stores hungry cats in mckenziemc's bed. |
| 02:14.16 | mckenziemc | animal abuser |
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| 02:43.15 | znf | I went to buy some things for a salad today |
| 02:43.34 | znf | When I go out of the supermarket they have this grill outside selling fries and chicken |
| 02:43.43 | znf | Guess who didn't eat salad today |
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| 02:44.06 | mckenziemc | shame on you |
| 02:44.29 | mckenziemc | just think of how many animals were tortured to feed you in place of tortured plants |
| 02:45.32 | znf | It was going to be a beef salad anyway |
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| 04:23.50 | WrathTECH | I'm really amazed that you can override blizzards scripts to toggle their frames. Which is perfect for my UI. |
| 04:24.01 | WrathTECH | I fully expected that to be blocked. |
| 04:25.49 | Semlar | you'll taint them so they won't be able to do anything combat-restricted |
| 04:27.04 | Kinesia | Sigh. Ok. Everytime I open the AH it hangs and logs me out. How can I find out what Addons are doing things when I open the AH? |
| 04:28.02 | WrathTECH | That's a risk I'm willing to take. After all I'm really just reusing almost all of the frame parts, just moving everything around, and re-theming it. Mainly CharacterFrame, GuildFrame, Auction, etc |
| 04:28.21 | Semlar | Kinesia: use a program to find all files containing QueryAuctionItems |
| 04:28.23 | WrathTECH | If I start seeing taints I'll have to re think it |
| 04:35.11 | Semlar | what could go wrong |
| 04:40.41 | Kinesia | Thanks Semlar. Notepad++ is handy enough for that. |
| 04:41.00 | mckenziemc | you might summon a super-Fisker that can hug like no other |
| 04:41.06 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
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| 09:22.56 | nebula | is there a frost mage bug right now? just did brh+10 and a mage kill the last boss in four glacial spikes after getting the buff >.> he crit for 146m |
| 09:23.54 | nebula | wish i logged that |
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| 09:44.57 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 13:08.20 | karl_w_w | https://gfycat.com/WiltedWelllitArcticduck |
| 13:09.55 | VIad | n1 mei |
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| 13:42.28 | Tomaz^ | is there a way to benchmark the lua code? trying to figure out where my addon spends so much time |
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| 13:59.12 | Constie | The first thing I'm thinking of that probably isn't the best way would be to have some counter variables that get incremented when functions get called or loops get looped, and see what they're at after having used the addon a bit. |
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| 15:56.05 | Kkthnx | I have a quick question if someone has a second to let me pick their brain. The question is about 2 events. |
| 15:58.03 | Kkthnx | If I register PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD then unregister it after, Isn't that just like using PLAYER_LOGIN? So basically I am asking if it makes sense to just use PLAYER_LOGIN if I am going to reg and unreg PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
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| 16:04.26 | mckenziemc | Kkthnx: there might be a slight difference in situations that trigger one or the other |
| 16:05.22 | Gnarfoz | Tomaz^: https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/addons-cpu-usage https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/cputhieves http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13888-AddonProfiler.html |
| 16:06.15 | foxlit | hm, it seems like the pvp tower quests stopped spawning. |
| 16:12.04 | Stanzilla | [16:44:07] nevcairiel: in other news, turns out the pvp tower WQs arent disabled, they are just not shown on the map |
| 16:13.52 | Gnarfoz | nebula: so you're saying you're not an equal-opportunity logger?! some dungeons are more equal than others? |
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| 16:39.33 | Constie | WoW picked "Furgazmo" as a random name for my new character. |
| 16:40.51 | Gnarfoz | WoW can't pick random names for characters here :( |
| 16:40.52 | Thunder_Child | Wargen/Tauren? |
| 16:41.00 | Constie | Goblin, sadly. |
| 16:41.04 | Thunder_Child | Meh |
| 16:41.32 | Constie | And yeah, the EU client doesn't have that button, right? I wonder why that is. |
| 16:41.57 | Gnarfoz | elaborated a while back in here, too hard to cover all the languages, basically. I think. |
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| 17:05.48 | Gnarfoz | I bet they hid pvp towers WQs to break WQGF for some dumb reason ^^ |
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| 17:09.30 | Andols | How would that break it? |
| 17:10.03 | Gnarfoz | https://haste.smb.wtf/ziwotoyeveyoyihaxuseketagewoso.lua |
| 17:10.34 | nevcairiel | Fragile add-on is fragile? |
| 17:10.44 | Gnarfoz | hiding stuff from the API is dumb? |
| 17:10.45 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:11.08 | Gnarfoz | the app still shows them, anyway |
| 17:11.13 | nevcairiel | There have been plenty wqs that weren't on the map in various locations |
| 17:11.18 | nevcairiel | So hardly a new thing |
| 17:11.24 | Gnarfoz | it didn't break this way for them |
| 17:11.34 | Gnarfoz | and they always showed in broker_wq |
| 17:11.41 | Gnarfoz | so this is somehow different |
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| 18:03.26 | mckenziemc | i am somehow hungry |
| 18:09.33 | Constie | Prove it. |
| 18:11.58 | mckenziemc | fine, i'll just fix it myself instead :( |
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| 18:47.35 | fewyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSn2JuDQSc |
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| 19:10.20 | Tomaz^ | Gnarfoz: thanks, neither of those do what I needed tho, I need to benchmark individual functions in my lua code to find where it spends all its time |
| 19:15.59 | Gnarfoz | foxlit, nevcairiel: https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/805490608148283392 |
| 19:17.32 | nevcairiel | didnt help for shit |
| 19:17.33 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 19:48.51 | mckenziemc | pushes Gnarfoz onto a stack and times how long it takes for him to pop off. |
| 19:52.05 | mckenziemc | Tomaz^: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/debugprofilestop |
| 19:52.37 | Tomaz^ | thanks! that's exactly what I was looking for :) |
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| 20:01.26 | Gnarfoz | something something don't use debugprofilestart |
| 20:02.59 | aelen | hmm, I am having a weird issue where my world map keeps refreshing or something... if I hover over one of the emissary icons, the tooltip keeps flickering |
| 20:03.03 | aelen | anyone had this happen before? |
| 20:04.23 | mckenziemc | sounds like addons fighting |
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| 20:25.48 | Mr_Rabies | every hotfix should just clear the cache folder at this point |
| 20:26.06 | Mr_Rabies | this wasn't a problem before legion really but it's like every week now |
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| 20:26.57 | fewyn | i don't think i've ever cleared my cache folder |
| 20:27.23 | Mr_Rabies | that's the only way to get legendaries to show up as 910 ilvl as far as i know |
| 20:27.30 | Mr_Rabies | among like 100 other issues |
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| 20:42.15 | Tomaz^ | is it possible to disable a dropdownmenu? |
| 20:44.40 | znf | yeah, just taint it |
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| 20:49.05 | aelen | mckenziemc: yeah probably, just thought maybe someone had it before |
| 20:49.14 | aelen | just gonna have to disable them all and reenable one by one or so |
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| 21:03.42 | znf | now that I hit rank 35, I have no desire to do +AP quests anymore |
| 21:07.57 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn for free |
| 21:08.06 | Primer | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20752125680 |
| 21:08.07 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 21:08.10 | Primer | For you JC people |
| 21:08.39 | Primer | tl;dr: I crafted 13 green skill necks at 792 and got NO SKILL |
| 21:08.56 | Primer | basically ~250k gold down the toilet |
| 21:11.16 | znf | Primer, are there 800-only recipes? |
| 21:11.50 | Primer | yes |
| 21:11.57 | Primer | that's the entire point of getting to 800 |
| 21:12.08 | Primer | You can only make +200 main stat gems at 800 |
| 21:12.23 | znf | ah |
| 21:12.35 | Primer | These necks don't sell either |
| 21:12.44 | Primer | I've sold 2 |
| 21:12.50 | Primer | I have 15 in my bags |
| 21:13.13 | Stanzilla | because people only buy the ones with the perfect stat combinations |
| 21:13.45 | Primer | And obliterum price doesn't make it worth it |
| 21:13.54 | Primer | even though these obliterate to 120-150 ash |
| 21:14.34 | Tomaz^ | ok, this is starting to annoy me, apparently I'm missign somethign regarding dropdownmenues, I have one in my auction tab, and if I close the auctionhouse While I have it disabled, the next time I open it up, it will always say "12 hours" instead of any of the items that actually is in my dropdown menu... |
| 21:15.26 | Tomaz^ | ok, I take that back, it doesn't even have to be disabled... |
| 21:19.48 | Primer | I'm trying to find what the percentages are for green/yellow/orange skills in professions. I can't find anything authoritative. Does anyone here know what those are? |
| 21:20.06 | Primer | I'd like to try to figure out the odds of crafting 13 items at green and getting no skill |
| 21:20.34 | nevcairiel | for green that seems pretty normal |
| 21:20.40 | Primer | Serious? |
| 21:21.18 | Primer | All I need are 3 skills...and each attempt costs about 20k in mats |
| 21:22.04 | FireSiku | Wait until tomorrow for +5 Skill Darkmoon quest |
| 21:23.01 | FireSiku | Or today I guess, I thought we were Saturday |
| 21:24.49 | znf | I think he needs +3 for them last +5 |
| 21:25.13 | znf | ie: he's at 792 |
| 21:25.21 | znf | actually he said that he was at 792 :P |
| 21:25.24 | znf | <Primer> tl;dr: I crafted 13 green skill necks at 792 and got NO SKILL |
| 21:25.48 | FireSiku | Alright, sorry then :p |
| 21:26.10 | nevcairiel | its all because he complained so much last time the DMF was in town that he forgot to do it in time |
| 21:27.22 | znf | :D |
| 21:31.01 | znf | those 12k AP quests really feel like a drop in the ocean right now when I need 1.9mil :-| |
| 21:32.02 | foxlit | "level your offspecs" |
| 21:32.40 | znf | hahaha |
| 21:32.44 | znf | thinks foxlit is funny |
| 21:33.11 | znf | I'm a priest. I don't heal |
| 21:33.27 | foxlit | a defective priest, then? |
| 21:34.29 | foxlit | or just slow down. AK multiplier and trait cost growth rates reflect expected effort levels; if something feels like it's going nowhere, you just have more AP than you're intended to have. |
| 21:35.12 | znf | I barely have 7mil AP |
| 21:35.27 | znf | there's people with 48mil |
| 21:35.32 | znf | ...what the fuck 48 mil |
| 21:35.42 | znf | http://artifactpower.info/ |
| 21:36.03 | foxlit | doesn't particularly matter; long tail is long. |
| 21:36.19 | foxlit | find me the median artifact power across the entire population. |
| 21:36.57 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/MOf6OCt.png |
| 21:37.54 | foxlit | (a) average likely isn't median (b) this population is likely composed of people who used that site. |
| 21:38.27 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder why he keeps using that site, when wowprogress covers way more players (but ok, they don't show any stats of that kind) |
| 21:38.49 | znf | Gnarfoz, because you pointed me to that website a while ago and I'm too lazy to open up wowprogress instead |
| 21:39.00 | foxlit | and (c) alts are inconvinient (this one pulls in the opposite direction, I guess) |
| 21:39.01 | Gnarfoz | I did that before wowprogress had AP tracking |
| 21:39.22 | znf | I know you did |
| 21:39.30 | znf | I'm still lazy to check wowprogress |
| 21:40.18 | foxlit | but taking those numbers, you're 7.6 times over the mean. |
| 21:40.43 | Gnarfoz | also, "there's people with 48M" is kind of misleading. There's ONE person with 48M. :P |
| 21:40.55 | foxlit | which puts you in at least the 86th percentile. |
| 21:41.32 | znf | Gnarfoz, still cray cray |
| 21:50.42 | znf | this appearance thing is horrible <Gnarfoz> also, "there's people with 48M" is kind of misleading. There's ONE person with 48M. :P |
| 21:50.44 | znf | erm |
| 21:50.55 | znf | this appearance thing is horrible: http://i.imgur.com/G0j5yUH.png |
| 21:51.13 | znf | if you try to move the damn camera to get a better look at your weapon, you get it focused back to your char |
| 22:11.12 | Stanzilla | today I noticed that you can use the color variants of the hiding skin on weapons where you dont have the hiddin skin |
| 22:11.28 | Stanzilla | also that I cant spell hidden |
| 22:13.52 | Primer | I'm reading here that skill chance drops the more you progress into a color |
| 22:14.20 | Stanzilla | :< |
| 22:14.21 | Primer | For example, something that just turned yellow has a 100% chance to grant skill, and the chance becomes lower as you try |
| 22:14.34 | Primer | So getting those 5 points in DMF last night was probably a bad idea :( |
| 22:14.53 | Primer | since now I'm at 797, need 3 skills, and only have green recipes...sigh... |
| 22:15.31 | *** join/#wowuidev breser (breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 22:15.36 | Primer | And all rank 3 recipes that grant skill go green at 785 |
| 22:15.44 | Primer | WTF was blizzard thinking! |
| 22:21.21 | foxlit | Does something actually require 800? |
| 22:21.31 | Primer | yes, +200 main stat gems |
| 22:26.19 | Gnarfoz | JC to 800 is fun~ |
| 22:41.41 | Primer | Do you recall crafting green skill rank 3 necks? If so, how many do you think you made to get to 800? |
| 22:52.44 | kullervo | I remember not making about 40 of them |
| 23:04.53 | nevcairiel | <znf> ...what the fuck 48 mil <-- that guy has 1800 completed m+ dungeons, at an average of 30 minutes per dungeon with traveling and whatnot, that would be 37 days of continous play, i'm totally going to assume there is either some sharing going on or other exploiteritis |
| 23:05.55 | Semlar | he may just have no life |
| 23:06.05 | nevcairiel | even then thats an insane time |
| 23:06.23 | FireSiku | They probably just do a lot of Maw of Souls |
| 23:06.38 | xyphoid | i googled them in bafflement and found a post saying they were off work for an injury or something |
| 23:06.53 | xyphoid | so a couple of months of full time mythics |
| 23:07.10 | Semlar | i've also seen people with really high AP that didn't get it from farming mythics and i don't know what they did |
| 23:07.11 | nevcairiel | you cant exactly pick your dungeon, if you have to find a key to boost from the tool that adds a couple minutes per stone as well |
| 23:07.25 | Semlar | you can definitely pick your dungeon |
| 23:07.36 | Semlar | by just making a carry group and listing it in LFG |
| 23:07.44 | nevcairiel | read my line to the end =p |
| 23:07.58 | Semlar | it takes like 8 minutes to finish maw |
| 23:08.17 | Semlar | i was farming it for a little while |
| 23:08.29 | Semlar | and you get dozens of people signing up when you list a carry group |
| 23:08.32 | plaw | php gig going in Christchurch NZ if anyone's looking or know someone looking https://www.seek.co.nz/Job/32382382/ |
| 23:08.35 | nevcairiel | people with high AP that didnt farm m+ for it are probably just exploiting other things =p |
| 23:08.39 | nevcairiel | m+ is the only really farmable way |
| 23:09.26 | kullervo | pretty sure you can clear m+ in like 10 minutes |
| 23:09.36 | kullervo | just advertise you're boosting +2 and +3 |
| 23:09.43 | Semlar | not worth doing that low |
| 23:10.03 | kullervo | can just spam it really fast, why not |
| 23:10.08 | kullervo | or +5 even |
| 23:10.32 | Semlar | if you're geared there really is no difference between doing 5+ and doing a lower level dungeon |
| 23:10.43 | Semlar | and you get less AP from doing the lower ones |
| 23:10.48 | Gnarfoz | low m+ is not worth it because higher m+ gives more AP |
| 23:10.49 | nevcairiel | probably want at least 4 for the higher tier of AP tokens, not sure if going 7+ is worth it time-wise then |
| 23:11.39 | Semlar | it depends, a geared carry group could probably go up to 9 for certain dungeons and still 3 chest it pretty easily |
| 23:12.17 | nevcairiel | more chests dont give you more AP these days, does it |
| 23:12.35 | Semlar | no, but each chest counts toward your legendary chances |
| 23:12.51 | Semlar | which is the second reason to do mythics |
| 23:13.14 | nevcairiel | if you spam that many, you are probably fine iether way =p |
| 23:13.20 | Semlar | also if you aren't 3 chesting it it means you're going slower |
| 23:13.52 | Semlar | and you gotta go fast |
| 23:13.54 | nevcairiel | the question is if doing a higher one for higher AP tokens can balance out the difference if doing a 2 chest instead |
| 23:14.36 | nevcairiel | doing 9 or so is rather unproductive for AP anyway |
| 23:14.40 | nevcairiel | since the breakpoint is at 7 and 10 |
| 23:15.04 | nevcairiel | (ie. with the affix additions) |
| 23:15.22 | Semlar | i think you get the same AP for 8 and 9 |
| 23:15.27 | nevcairiel | and 7 |
| 23:15.50 | Semlar | i don't think so, i'm pretty sure the tokens scale with the item level |
| 23:15.57 | nevcairiel | http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17613731368 |
| 23:16.09 | nevcairiel | it changes with the tier of affixes |
| 23:16.27 | nevcairiel | so 4, 7, 10 |
| 23:17.27 | Semlar | frankly i think it's dumb that there's no increase in the rewards for each level |
| 23:17.49 | Semlar | i don't really understand why they made more difficult dungeons that gave you the exact same reward |
| 23:18.26 | nevcairiel | the items increase every 2 level because 2.5ilvl would be stupid =p |
| 23:18.51 | Semlar | then explain why artifact power doesn't increase |
| 23:19.23 | Semlar | and they could have made it an increased chance at the next tier of gear, not gave you a 2.5 item level increase |
| 23:19.53 | nevcairiel | AP does increase at the difficulty breakpoints, the difference between 6 and 7 is probably greater then 7 to 8 because of the new affix |
| 23:20.11 | nevcairiel | or 9 to 10 then 10 to 11 |
| 23:20.19 | Semlar | if you're farming AP there's no reason to do 9 if 7 gives you the same reward |
| 23:20.46 | nevcairiel | there will always be the most optimal solution if all you want is farming some potential reward |
| 23:21.37 | xyphoid | plaw: what framework is it out of curiosity? |
| 23:21.43 | Semlar | the point is, there's a higher level of difficulty with no upside |
| 23:21.54 | nevcairiel | not if all you want is AP |
| 23:21.59 | Semlar | if you don't get better gear and you don't get higher AP, then there's no reason to do a 9 |
| 23:22.11 | nevcairiel | sure is, to get your stone to 10-12 |
| 23:22.19 | nevcairiel | its a progression step |
| 23:22.44 | Gnarfoz | DH helicopter pvp skill is so dumb |
| 23:23.18 | nevcairiel | we do plenty of those 7-9 m+ instances fishing for a good one to boost from 9 to 12, since we cant do that in everyone yet |
| 23:23.21 | plaw | xyphoid: I shall ask my friend (who's the other senior at the company concerned) for you |
| 23:24.39 | Semlar | i stopped playing because there isn't really anything that interests me any more |
| 23:25.31 | Semlar | i'll see how hunters turn out with the next patch |
| 23:25.56 | nevcairiel | if the forum can be believed, every single spec of every class is doomed |
| 23:26.23 | Semlar | they pretty much ruined hunters on the PTR the last time i checked but i figure it's a work in progress |
| 23:27.24 | Iriel | Semlar: given how much BM hunters were already ruined, that's disturbing |
| 23:27.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Noshei (~quassel@2601:283:4200:3250:c54f:2497:6371:4c7e) |
| 23:27.58 | Semlar | well they decided to fix hunter's only viable raiding spec |
| 23:28.32 | Semlar | by completely changing how it plays |
| 23:28.45 | Semlar | so we'll see how it plays out |
| 23:28.49 | Gnarfoz | that does not equate "ruined" |
| 23:28.50 | nevcairiel | didnt they like change one talent |
| 23:29.22 | Semlar | they changed how sidewinders works, which is the core of the build |
| 23:29.38 | nevcairiel | and thats a talent |
| 23:29.52 | Semlar | i guess technically it's a talent |
| 23:30.09 | nevcairiel | one talent being the one and only choice and being key to the entire spec is exactly a problem they are trying to fix |
| 23:30.24 | Semlar | well, they're fixing it by nerfing that talent |
| 23:31.40 | nevcairiel | then bring up the baseline and suddenly you might have a choice in talents |
| 23:32.22 | Semlar | the problem is they haven't brought up the baseline, so the spec is bad at everything now |
| 23:32.38 | Semlar | it was previously only good at cleave, which thankfully there's a lot of |
| 23:32.47 | Semlar | and pretty bad at single target |
| 23:32.47 | nevcairiel | number tuning has not happened yet |
| 23:37.10 | Semlar | they're pretty drastically changing how the spec plays, and it would be nice if they offered AP refunds for people to switch to another weapon if they want to |
| 23:37.38 | nevcairiel | that will never happen |
| 23:38.15 | nevcairiel | not that it really matters, in a few more weeks you can get to 34 in two days of playing |
| 23:38.19 | Semlar | it's not very fair to people who are now locked into a spec that isn't what they picked |
| 23:38.29 | foxlit | they'll live. |
| 23:38.55 | nevcairiel | increasing AK levels make past AP acquisition rather meaningless very fast |
| 23:39.02 | foxlit | also "locked" is ridiculous. You're marginally worse off for a little bit of time. |
| 23:39.17 | Semlar | actually you're worse off permanently and can never catch up |
| 23:39.53 | foxlit | There's no functional difference between a hunter 1% into trait 37 and 95% into trait 37. |
| 23:40.13 | Semlar | you can never get to the same point in an off-spec as you can in your main spec |
| 23:40.24 | nevcairiel | you stopped playing, you dont get to complain :) |
| 23:40.39 | Semlar | that's a retarded argument |
| 23:40.44 | Gnarfoz | of course I can get to the same point, by not spending any more in my main spec |
| 23:41.18 | Semlar | yes, but now you're behind where you would have been if you hadn't put all of that into your main spec |
| 23:41.36 | foxlit | the amount you're behind by shrinks over time |
| 23:41.37 | Gnarfoz | not really, considering the enormity of numbers and how little gain comes after 35. |
| 23:41.48 | Gnarfoz | I'm behind at most 1%. :D |
| 23:41.49 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.54 | nevcairiel | AK is specifically designed to make switching specs (or just playing offspecs) rather painless, because after only a few levels your previous collected AP is practically worthless |
| 23:42.44 | nevcairiel | After weeks and weeks of collecting AK, I could've just not done so and reached a level very close to this in a matter of days by just waiting |
| 23:42.49 | nevcairiel | collecting AP* |
| 23:43.50 | Semlar | close is one thing, but when you're going to be dealing 5% less damage because someone else is 1 artifact level higher than you, it's a fairly large gap |
| 23:44.01 | nevcairiel | but its not |
| 23:44.05 | Stanzilla | it is |
| 23:44.07 | nevcairiel | after 35 its 0.5% per level |
| 23:44.08 | Gnarfoz | that happens at one specific point and nowhere else |
| 23:44.18 | nevcairiel | and reaching 35 is going to be trivial in a few weeks |
| 23:44.27 | Gnarfoz | it already feels rather trivial now |
| 23:45.44 | Gnarfoz | I'm at 35/32/16 already, and I've done barely any m+ outside of our little get-together once a week where we do 3 or maybe 4 |
| 23:47.06 | Semlar | you can get another weapon within a few levels of your main weapon for the same amount of AP as it would take you to get to the next level, but that doesn't change the fact that you could have just gotten your weapon to the next level |
| 23:47.32 | nevcairiel | which also doesnt change the fact that after 35 that one level is worth whooping 0.5% damage |
| 23:47.37 | Semlar | i suppose it might make more sense for classes that actually have viable offspecs |
| 23:47.41 | nevcairiel | so in short, you'll live |
| 23:50.18 | nevcairiel | i wonder if the non-linear increase in the bonus traits is what is causing many people to get confused, in-game it doesnt really mention that only the first level grants 5% and after that its basically nothing - until you skill the second one, that is. |
| 23:51.56 | foxlit | (linear police, take him away.) |
| 23:52.44 | nevcairiel | I refuse to go! |
| 23:52.57 | Semlar | i don't feel like you're taking dealing big dick dps very seriously |
| 23:53.09 | foxlit | linear police is also really underfunded compared to exponential police, so you probably don't have to go. |
| 23:53.30 | nevcairiel | but it is not linear =p |
| 23:53.46 | nevcairiel | one step is bigger then the others! |
| 23:54.09 | foxlit | this justice system does not recognize zero as a natural number. |
| 23:54.29 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: my dick is 0.5% bigger than yours |
| 23:54.37 | Semlar | :( |
| 23:55.12 | foxlit | more like "x% of time time, 0.5% bigger than yours, where the limit of x approaches 0 as time passes." |
| 23:56.04 | foxlit | somewhat of a mouthful. |
| 23:58.23 | Gnarfoz | I hope that was intentional... |
