| 00:07.28 | Torhal | Ssateneth: Then go manual for now; they're working out some issues with the client. https://www.wowace.com/projects/cursor/files |
| 00:09.51 | Torhal | Ssateneth: Are you using v5 client? |
| 00:10.00 | Torhal | v7 should be showing the updated version. |
| 00:13.51 | Ssateneth | v5.1.1.844 |
| 00:14.11 | Ssateneth | so curse is forcing me to get their 'app' to get updated addons now? :/ |
| 00:14.19 | Gnarfoz | how terrible of them! |
| 00:14.23 | Ssateneth | IT ISSSSSS |
| 00:14.23 | Gnarfoz | poor you. |
| 00:14.54 | Gnarfoz | except it was way overdue for the hodgepodge non-multiplatform thing to get a real replacement. ^^ |
| 00:16.05 | Gnarfoz | (if you think you'll somehow become a facebook zombie just because it also does voip and has a contact list... it can default to the addons view and you'll never encounter those features) |
| 00:17.57 | Ssateneth | yeah i literally only use it for auto-updating addons silently in the background |
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| 00:23.09 | Mr_Rabies | the voip stuff makes me want to switch to minion, but it's terrible at knowing which version i have installed |
| 00:23.29 | Gnarfoz | s/at.*// |
| 00:23.39 | Gnarfoz | (also, why) |
| 00:23.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's great otherwise |
| 00:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | because i don't really need all the extra stuff that's coming with the new curse crap |
| 00:24.22 | Mr_Rabies | i'm gonna use v5 until i can't, and then re-evaluate then |
| 00:25.33 | kullervo | it's REALLY difficult to find the install file for v5 |
| 00:25.39 | Ssateneth | gotta make that $$$$$ somehow ... somehow |
| 00:25.51 | Gnarfoz | don your tinfoil hats, guys. |
| 00:27.20 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, what does v7 do that v5 doesn't do that a regular person not interested in a discord knockoff would want? |
| 00:28.03 | kullervo | no idea |
| 00:28.09 | kullervo | maybe they improved their backup system |
| 00:28.17 | Mr_Rabies | can you update multiple addons with a single click? no ads? |
| 00:28.57 | mckenziemc | that'd be premium |
| 00:29.25 | Gnarfoz | hm? there are no ads |
| 00:31.01 | Mr_Rabies | v5 technically only has curse ads anymore, which i don't mind, do i still have to buy premium to not have to hit "update" on each addon individually? |
| 00:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't really see the benefit to upgrading for a normal person that doesn't want another program trying to use my microphone and whatnot |
| 00:31.35 | Gnarfoz | uhhh yeah |
| 00:31.36 | Gnarfoz | NSA alert. |
| 00:32.12 | Mr_Rabies | wtf i love curse client v7 now thanks Gnarfoz |
| 00:32.18 | mckenziemc | or just not liking multiple software trying to overlap unnecessarily |
| 00:32.26 | Gnarfoz | maybe gentoo is better for you, set your eflags to -microphone |
| 00:35.55 | mckenziemc | also camfecting and the microphone equivalent are things, without just being state surveillance |
| 00:36.17 | Gnarfoz | so it's malware |
| 00:36.40 | mckenziemc | no, additional potential vector |
| 00:36.50 | mckenziemc | not saying of significance |
| 00:37.59 | Gnarfoz | you're afraid your microphone (which is not in use unless you use voip) will pick up malicious... sounds? |
| 00:38.35 | mckenziemc | you're making this into something it's not |
| 00:39.15 | Gnarfoz | I think that's what you are doing. it's the successor to Curse Client, not the devil... |
| 00:39.51 | nebula | hey, for all you know the old client was monitoring your webcam and mic |
| 00:39.58 | nebula | not like it needs a fucking options panel for it |
| 00:40.13 | mckenziemc | Gnarfoz: which is irrelevant, because you're making this something it's not |
| 00:40.16 | Gnarfoz | I bet nebula was monitoring my mic all the time |
| 00:40.27 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just saying what possible good would i gain from using curse client |
| 00:40.43 | nebula | i started to, but all that breathing was just too much |
| 00:40.46 | Mr_Rabies | all these voip programs running at once with windows' really awful sound card stuff is a recipe for disaster |
| 00:40.47 | Gnarfoz | the same good you're gaining from the old version |
| 00:41.01 | Gnarfoz | except they're not doing voip unless you know, you're doing voip |
| 00:41.38 | Gnarfoz | also, "Windows' really awful sound card stuff" -- compared to what? Linux audio? :D:D:D:D:D |
| 00:41.54 | Gnarfoz | speaking of which, using Linux would be the solution to webcam troubles anyway. ;) |
| 00:41.55 | nebula | hey man, pulse =/= linux audio |
| 00:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | linux audio is a nightmare, but |
| 00:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | windows took a step back with audio after windows xp |
| 00:42.24 | Gnarfoz | nebula: Jack? alsa? oss? whatever? why is there even 4 or more systems? :D and why isn't there systemd-sound, yet? |
| 00:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's been a bit shaky since vista and onwards |
| 00:43.13 | Mr_Rabies | there are all kinds of audio conflict issues that can basically only be fixed with a system restart on anything from vista to 10 |
| 00:43.18 | Mr_Rabies | 10 especially, yeesh |
| 00:43.21 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 00:43.26 | nebula | djb was working on something then got distracted |
| 00:43.43 | nebula | i'm never had audio issues, and i run win10 on all sorts of old and weird hardware |
| 00:43.54 | nebula | i've* |
| 00:43.57 | Gnarfoz | good old djb's code that "can't" be used in jurisdictions where "public domain" doesn't exist |
| 00:43.57 | nebula | fuck i should go to bed |
| 00:46.51 | Ssateneth | are there groups in premade finder for camping pvp kara spawns? |
| 00:47.10 | Mr_Rabies | ive had a lot of programs take exclusive mode control over a card and refuse to give it back |
| 00:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | on multiple machines |
| 00:47.17 | Mr_Rabies | until you restart the pc |
| 00:47.20 | Ssateneth | feels like every time i use premade finder to join a group for kara, i port in and get zerged by 12 horde |
| 00:47.47 | Corrodias | what sort of card? |
| 00:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | all sorts of machines, i dunno |
| 00:48.16 | Mr_Rabies | totally different hardware |
| 00:48.21 | Mr_Rabies | i've had it happen from time to time on each |
| 00:48.41 | Mr_Rabies | so i try to avoid having too much stuff that tries to take exclusive mode control over audio running at once |
| 00:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | bnet client was notorious for doing it right when they first added voice |
| 00:49.08 | Mr_Rabies | and it always took over your microphone and was listening 24/7 for about 2 weeks |
| 00:49.43 | Mr_Rabies | fixed now, but still |
| 00:49.52 | Mr_Rabies | i basically couldn't use mumble for a couple weeks because of it |
| 00:50.11 | Gnarfoz | sounds like you have some broken shit going on (in b4 "yeah, windows 10") |
| 00:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | on multiple machines |
| 00:50.28 | Gnarfoz | you have to request exclusive mode explicitly, why would random programs request it |
| 00:50.32 | nebula | you can disable exclusive access all together, can't you? |
| 00:50.40 | Gnarfoz | also, bnet never did that for me and I'm on alpha all the time |
| 00:50.41 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but some of them don't really work right if you do |
| 00:50.42 | Gnarfoz | yes, you can |
| 00:50.52 | Gnarfoz | which programs do you have that you want to use it? |
| 00:51.05 | Mr_Rabies | mumble, bnet client at one point, i dunno |
| 00:51.09 | Mr_Rabies | i turned off the voip stuff entirely in it |
| 00:51.19 | Gnarfoz | you have set mumble to use exclusive mode? |
| 00:51.26 | Gnarfoz | do you have it on some separate sound card? |
| 00:51.43 | Gnarfoz | because otherwise... no game sounds? music? anything? |
| 00:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | well, i use a usb headset for my voice chat, which essentially acts as a seperate sound card |
| 00:53.12 | Gnarfoz | has anyone actually made a real "usb headset" by now, anyway? |
| 00:53.35 | Mr_Rabies | what's that mean? |
| 00:53.38 | Gnarfoz | so far, they don't exist, they're all headsets with included soundcards |
| 00:53.44 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i mean |
| 00:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | gotta have a DAC somehow, yeah? |
| 00:53.59 | nevcairiel | that just sounds like a silly definition q uestion |
| 00:54.16 | Gnarfoz | probably. I just find the term "usb headset" weird, since it's really... a soundcard |
| 00:54.16 | nevcairiel | you gotta have a usb "soundcard" somwhere =p |
| 00:54.36 | Mr_Rabies | unless they like |
| 00:54.36 | nevcairiel | what would you expect for it to be different |
| 00:54.51 | Mr_Rabies | made sound cards that just sent audio over usb connectors or something |
| 00:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | i.e. analog signals over a usb connection |
| 00:55.14 | Gnarfoz | some dock connectors for phones do that ^^ |
| 00:55.24 | nevcairiel | that sounds just dumb :D |
| 00:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | jesus, ingame overlay |
| 00:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | curse client, why |
| 00:55.41 | Mr_Rabies | who asked for any of this |
| 00:55.56 | Gnarfoz | the people who used it before it gained the addon updating ability just recently? |
| 00:56.23 | Mr_Rabies | i just wanted a version of the v5 client that didn't have the really shady ads |
| 00:56.32 | mckenziemc | asked for, or used? |
| 00:56.33 | Gnarfoz | doesn't that apply to all versions? |
| 00:56.39 | Mr_Rabies | nowadays, yeah |
| 00:56.46 | Mr_Rabies | since they don't serve 3rd party ads |
| 00:56.49 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 00:56.59 | Mr_Rabies | but v7 is far from that |
| 00:57.10 | Gnarfoz | right, it doesn't have any ads |
| 00:57.14 | Gnarfoz | \o/ |
| 00:57.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bloated pos that reeks of everything wrong with software design |
| 00:57.22 | Mr_Rabies | modern software design, rather |
| 00:57.53 | Mr_Rabies | what, got the first run wizard on second run |
| 00:57.54 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
| 00:58.09 | Gnarfoz | it realized you weren't taking this seriously |
| 00:58.14 | Mr_Rabies | oh lord it's laggy as shit too |
| 00:58.18 | Mr_Rabies | why |
| 00:58.25 | Gnarfoz | is it? I hadn't noticed |
| 00:59.06 | Gnarfoz | also, didn't I see Discord mentioned earlier? it's about the same in those regards. |
| 00:59.25 | Mr_Rabies | discord is also garbage that i refuse to install |
| 00:59.32 | Simca | discord/curse/slack/most modern multi-platform apps have the same weaknesses |
| 00:59.38 | Simca | i.e. they all run on electron |
| 00:59.44 | Gnarfoz | they're written by people who only know javascript? ^^ |
| 00:59.50 | Simca | well that too |
| 00:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | oh boy this laggy scrolling is killing me |
| 01:00.06 | Mr_Rabies | can i turn off hardware acceleration or something, wew |
| 01:00.12 | Simca | probably? |
| 01:00.21 | Simca | i know some chrome shortcuts work, like F5 |
| 01:00.25 | Gnarfoz | yes, you can |
| 01:00.49 | Mr_Rabies | oh hey i can |
| 01:01.11 | Mr_Rabies | oh god the scrolling is even worse somehow |
| 01:01.12 | Mr_Rabies | HOW |
| 01:01.59 | Mr_Rabies | (because it's still trying to do the same really awful animations even when not accelerated) |
| 01:02.19 | Semlar | i need a list of every player interrupt again |
| 01:03.18 | Gnarfoz | give it to me when you're done, I can put it in CoolAid |
| 01:03.58 | Mr_Rabies | wew okay back to v5 |
| 01:04.04 | Mr_Rabies | v7 isn't ready yet |
| 01:04.12 | Gnarfoz | it is, but not for you |
| 01:04.34 | nebula | change is scary Gnarfoz, give it time |
| 01:04.34 | Mr_Rabies | because i care about quality |
| 01:04.50 | Gnarfoz | you're going to wait a long time; as I said earlier, the program isn't new |
| 01:04.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's a laggy piece of shit that does absolutely nothing for me that v5 doesn't |
| 01:05.03 | Gnarfoz | except work, at some point. |
| 01:05.07 | Gnarfoz | (compared to v5) |
| 01:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'll re-evaluate then |
| 01:05.13 | Mr_Rabies | maybe go with wowmatrix ;] |
| 01:05.50 | nebula | how do you do anything on that potatoe of a computer if it can't even run a web browser |
| 01:05.55 | Mr_Rabies | v7 barely works as is, so right now v5 edges out on it |
| 01:06.14 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, it feels like the whole thing is running at like 5 FPS |
| 01:06.16 | Gnarfoz | one webbrowser? 3 for each Electron instance and the actual webbrowser on top of that :D |
| 01:06.36 | Gnarfoz | v7 works just fine. I doubt you can classify "laggy scrolling" as "doesn't work" |
| 01:06.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'm using an i7 920 with a GTX 780 and it's running like it's mining bitcoins in the background or something |
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| 01:07.17 | Stanzilla | the scrolling is pretty janky here, too but it doesnt bother met hat much |
| 01:07.25 | Gnarfoz | sigh, why is the Meredil flight master not inside the sanctuary |
| 01:08.02 | tz | only couple of things that annoy me with v7 are opening addons then going back doesn't restore the scroll position, and you can't ctrl+A to select all |
| 01:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | the whole interface feels like itunes or something else running an emulator for another os or something |
| 01:08.44 | Mr_Rabies | there's a distinct delay in everything i want to do |
| 01:08.50 | tz | javascript is the way of the future |
| 01:08.52 | tz | /spit |
| 01:09.51 | Gnarfoz | I heard JS engines are so optimized these days that it's ok to run server-side code as JS |
| 01:10.33 | nebula | the future is now! |
| 01:10.48 | nebula | now we just need to get php working client side |
| 01:10.53 | Gnarfoz | hah |
| 01:11.12 | Gnarfoz | that'd be a nice fnord |
| 01:11.15 | tz | ha, I literally lol'ed at that |
| 01:11.18 | tz | good work sunshine |
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| 04:26.19 | relaxok | i dont understand the point of Versatility gear which is clearly meant to be a pvp stat (its on all the pvp gear) if in pvp everything is normalized |
| 04:26.36 | relaxok | and you have no versatility |
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| 04:56.27 | Fisker | smash |
| 05:01.49 | mckenziemc | smashes Fisker. |
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| 05:58.20 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 12:05.21 | Phixion | :-) |
| 12:05.40 | Phixion | tickles VIad |
| 12:29.35 | VIad | reports for duty. |
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| 13:16.54 | VIad | Phixion: I realized I am in the top DH on my realm ,_, |
| 13:17.02 | VIad | according to wowprogress users |
| 13:19.20 | VIad | I am leading total damage taken, healing taken, and healing done :p |
| 13:19.43 | VIad | leading as in 1/2 rank on server, I guess I have been doing a lot of dungeons to get these numbers :p |
| 13:19.54 | Phixion | :) |
| 13:20.00 | Phixion | nice |
| 13:20.28 | VIad | weird to track that though, not very useful info :p |
| 13:21.06 | VIad | does proving grounds exist still? |
| 13:21.15 | VIad | was thinking to go try tank endless like in wod for the achievements |
| 13:21.26 | VIad | or is scaling broken and too easy/impossible? |
| 13:22.13 | Phixion | was working for me the other day |
| 13:22.20 | nevcairiel | it still exists, how well it scales i dont know |
| 13:22.20 | Phixion | I gave up real quick tho |
| 13:23.09 | VIad | I mean if its not properly tuned its gonna be pain :p |
| 13:23.32 | VIad | like in wod it was easier to not have few really high ilvl items on you, as the scaling got skewed |
| 13:23.47 | VIad | meanwhile the legion legendaries might break it entirely in some cases, perhaps |
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| 14:53.08 | VIad | nevcairiel: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5eaevz/elerethe_cheese_035_kill/ |
| 14:56.39 | VIad | https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JBgjTd6vAn71tfbL#fight=1&type=damage-done |
| 14:58.02 | VIad | cool. looks like the game has a hard cap on the possible damage you can take, at 536 870 912 dmg |
| 14:58.09 | VIad | in one attack I reckon |
| 14:58.51 | zenzelezz | which coincidentally works out to exactly 0x20000000 |
| 14:59.48 | VIad | :d |
| 15:00.04 | VIad | I reckon without that, you could have one DK use that talent and oneshot the boss |
| 15:00.21 | VIad | I imagine 800% dmg buff on spider would do a lot of damage to a naked DK that uses it and taunts :p |
| 15:01.08 | VIad | it gon be fixed probably to not go over the casters max health :p |
| 15:17.12 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/sxj00Md.png |
| 15:17.17 | Stanzilla | memelord blizzard |
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| 15:25.20 | Shockah|Work | the other quest is called "Something's not quite right..." |
| 15:25.24 | Shockah|Work | in that same chain |
| 15:25.54 | Stanzilla | also a dance with dragons |
| 15:25.56 | Stanzilla | the lost army |
| 15:25.57 | Stanzilla | citizens army |
| 15:25.59 | Stanzilla | and so on |
| 15:28.26 | Tentacled | Is there a known problem with offline AH dumps being down for the EU realms..? Do you guys know where one might check for any status regarding those? |
| 15:29.32 | Tentacled | Like, https://eu.api.battle.net/wow/auction/data/aegwynn says http://auction-api-eu.worldofwarcraft.com/auction-data/8c345ecb03b9a613a88b4588fe783e31/auctions.json, but there's a 404 there... |
| 15:38.20 | _Kee | In order to alted wowhead's tooltip css I had to load it inside try{} and use !important or it fails to load otherwise. This is really crazy. Why they blackout and protect their code so it fails to load if you modify it if it is intended to be used by users altogheter with customizing it? meh⦠|
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| 15:40.03 | _Kee | I had to reverse eng. their blacked code to find as simply part as $WowheadPower.refreshLinks(); to refresh tooltip links after loading dynamically content via ajax. They could really make us quite easier work -_- |
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| 17:50.55 | Gnarfoz | TheDanW: did you sneak in a fix for the artifact window issue? I've not seen it in a while even though I disabled my workaround |
| 17:56.10 | TheDanW | Gnarfoz: nope, it depends on the items in your cache, may just be cached already so the event never gets signaled |
| 17:56.59 | Gnarfoz | item cache? that's not what this was about :O |
| 17:57.32 | Gnarfoz | or maybe it is and I didn't know ^^ |
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| 18:00.48 | VIad | m'lady |
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| 18:10.18 | TheDanW | Gnarfoz: you're talking about the artifact UI popping up when you request seemingly unrelated relic info? |
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| 18:13.09 | Gnarfoz | well, it remained unresolved who is requesting info, because none of the code in the 180 addons I have seems to, but yes |
| 18:13.23 | Gnarfoz | that was the conclusion, basically ^^ |
| 18:13.40 | TheDanW | if the relic(s) item data is in the cache then you won't get an event that opens the UI |
| 18:13.48 | Gnarfoz | something was requesting info which resulted in the Blizzard_ArtifactUI being loaded at a time where such info isn't available, and since it doesn't have checks for it, it errors |
| 18:13.52 | Gnarfoz | hm, I see |
| 18:14.10 | TheDanW | yeah, the default UI can never be in that state |
| 18:14.19 | Gnarfoz | must have been evicted from the cache alot, because I could just reloadui to get the error, 5 minutes after not getting it |
| 18:14.21 | TheDanW | so there were no checks |
| 18:14.47 | TheDanW | usually that means you have an addon doing a lot of item lookups |
| 18:15.03 | Gnarfoz | possibly, who knows what this huge pile of stuff does. :D |
| 18:15.29 | TheDanW | addons like tsm scan a lot of items, and ones that do many inspects end up evicting |
| 18:15.38 | Gnarfoz | TradeSkillMaster (looking at you, Sapu) maintains its own item cache, for example; but they said it's gathering the info for that slowly/throttled |
| 18:16.14 | Gnarfoz | (but as I recall I turned that off and could still reproduce it at will... anyway. I'm not seeing it much right now so I'm content :P) |
| 18:16.31 | Sapu | >.> |
| 18:16.32 | Sapu | <.< |
| 18:18.30 | Sapu | The problem is that TSM currently just caches base items, so still has to request info for things with random enchants / bonusIds. I completely rewrote that code over the weekend so it'll cache all itemStrings which seems to make things a lot smoother. |
| 18:20.44 | Sapu | TSM needs item info for lots of items though :P |
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| 18:24.18 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what for |
| 18:24.55 | Gnarfoz | (I meant, why is it so important that it can't get it when it needs it? granted, I barely scratch the surface of what's possible with TSM) |
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| 18:29.00 | Sapu | lots of things, mainly optimizing AH scans |
| 18:29.53 | Sapu | also, searching for groups in TSM_Shopping requires knowing the name of all the items in that group |
| 18:30.09 | Sapu | which could be thousands of items - requesting that JIT would takes forever |
| 18:30.14 | Sapu | would take* |
| 18:30.46 | nebula | so why don't you just save the item name instead of looking it up every time? |
| 18:31.02 | Gnarfoz | I don't quite know which of the numeruous windows belongs to TSM_Shopping |
| 18:31.34 | Sapu | we do save the name in our cache |
| 18:31.46 | Gnarfoz | is that the buying interface |
| 18:31.50 | Sapu | yes |
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| 18:33.12 | Sapu | also, people like to be able to view the items in their groups, which requires the link (which we can generate with name + quality) |
| 18:53.52 | TheDanW | i'm hoping the greatly improve the item API to reduce all this complexity, but it's not going to be soon(tm) |
| 18:56.54 | Sapu | even if the item cache was changed to not evict (i.e. pre-7.0 state), we'd probably still maintain our own cache - it's a much better experience for the user if TSM doesn't have to constantly request item info asynchronously and potentially slow down other requests |
| 18:57.28 | Sapu | Although, I will say that it seems like GetItemInfoInstant() is a bit broken. Calling that a bunch of times slows down the loading of a bunch of other things which require item info, which doesn't make sense to me... |
| 18:58.13 | Sapu | not to mention...http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54695 |
| 19:01.20 | TheDanW | it defeats the purpose of the cache though |
| 19:01.56 | Sapu | which ? |
| 19:02.30 | TheDanW | using less memory, if you just maintain your own copy |
| 19:02.47 | TheDanW | the Lua representation is going to be larger than C's |
| 19:03.14 | nevcairiel | we wouldnt have to if you didnt prune the cache so aggressively just to it keeps working on 32-bit clients =p |
| 19:03.15 | Sapu | I have 40k items cached in 2.3MB |
| 19:03.47 | Sapu | I'd be surprised if WoW's item cache is more efficient than that - that includes itemString + name as well |
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| 19:04.22 | nevcairiel | saving the same amount of info in C is always going to be more efficient then in Lua |
| 19:04.27 | nevcairiel | how much, is another question |
| 19:05.00 | Sapu | not necessarily, but I think the problem here is that WoW's cache stores a lot more than what any one addon (i.e. TSM) needs for each item |
| 19:05.04 | TheDanW | the point i was trying to make is if the item API was better there would be no need to implement your own cache |
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| 19:05.31 | Gnarfoz | the problem is catering to 32 bit clients ^^ |
| 19:05.46 | TheDanW | i'm not questioning your current approach given the problem space |
| 19:05.56 | Gnarfoz | (also, I maintain that maintaining your own item cache is just making it worse by making many item info requests) |
| 19:07.26 | Sapu | right, but I don't think getting the name of an item could ever be completely synchronous, could it? |
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| 19:10.14 | TheDanW | technically it could be, whether or not it should be is another question entirely |
| 19:10.46 | Sapu | my point is that short of GetItemInfo() being completely synchronous, I don't see the need for maintaining our own cache going away, but I wouldn't expect that to happen, nor would I argue that would even be the best thing to do |
| 19:11.54 | Sapu | The only problem I really have with the current system is the weirdness with GetItemInfoInstant() |
| 19:12.25 | TheDanW | which is why its worth dicussing, if you're a player running three addons that each have their own item cache then we're not saving memory |
| 19:13.50 | Sapu | true, but there are addons that use way more memory for other things than those which might have their own item cache |
| 19:14.14 | Sapu | even TSM uses orders of magnitude more memory for things besides the item cache |
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| 19:15.18 | TheDanW | fwiw, i believe the GetItemInfoInstant crash is fixed, just not sure what patch its going out in |
| 19:16.12 | Sapu | awesome - think that'll also fix the impact on environment loading from calling it a bunch of times? |
| 19:18.58 | TheDanW | it should improve that also |
| 19:19.10 | Sapu | yay :) |
| 19:19.11 | Gnarfoz | another sephuz' for our raid |
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| 21:07.26 | nebula | Ssateneth: you probably got a -nolib package from curse |
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| 22:38.27 | Kinesia | The curse ui is bringing up at least 1 addon a day as "modified" even though I haven't touched them. |
| 22:38.56 | kullervo | which addon? |
| 22:40.22 | |Jelly| | Bigwigs, for me. |
| 22:43.25 | Kinesia | It's new behaviour, only been happening for a few days. |
| 22:43.49 | Zeldo | |Jelly|: Refresh? Bigwigs was fixed |
| 22:44.00 | Zeldo | Kinesia: Which addon are you looking at? |
| 22:44.05 | Zeldo | there are a couple stragglers |
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| 22:46.36 | Funkeh` | Zeldo, it's finally fixed? |
| 22:46.56 | |Jelly| | Yeah, it seems fixed today. |
| 22:47.03 | |Jelly| | Thanks <3 |
| 22:48.12 | znf | Who used ZFS around here? |
| 22:50.50 | znf | I have a 2x9 drive storage pool, (2 x RAID-Z2, each with 9 drives), and I have 3 spare SSDs (3x64GB, so not fast SSDs) which are not in use at all. I have no ZIL or L2 at the moment, and I'm wondering how would I best use these SSDs. Any ideas/tips? |
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| 23:02.21 | Kinesia | Hi Zeldo, unfortunately I'm not sure now, I updated it without really thinking and now I can't find it in the list |
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| 23:21.09 | Zeldo | Rest in pepperonis |
| 23:31.00 | pnorman | znf: both zil and l2. partition if needed. if redundancy doesn't matter, one drive for zil, two for l2arc. don't need that much zil, but it's an easy config |
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