| 00:00.01 | Mr_Rabies | for reasons i don't fully understand |
| 00:00.33 | nevcairiel | well its a island, it has to exist in the real world |
| 00:00.42 | Mr_Rabies | especially since the entrance to it is in azsuna |
| 00:01.04 | nevcairiel | all other instances have their physical representations somewhere |
| 00:01.10 | nevcairiel | or are dungeons that just go into a mountain |
| 00:01.17 | Mr_Rabies | eh they kinda stopped doing that after cataclysm for the most part |
| 00:01.27 | Mr_Rabies | it still happens sometimes, but not always |
| 00:02.13 | Mr_Rabies | it definitely was a hard-and-fast policy until MoP, though, and even then many of its locations are rendered |
| 00:11.21 | relaxok | oh right |
| 00:11.39 | relaxok | re nighthold |
| 00:21.25 | tz | hmmm, did the curse packager syntax for localisation change? |
| 00:21.42 | nevcairiel | no but it was a bit broken until a few hours ago |
| 00:21.50 | tz | hmmm |
| 00:30.20 | Zeldo | tz project link? |
| 00:30.24 | Zeldo | I can take a look for you |
| 00:56.11 | pompy | https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-0/p480x480/14884619_1770899909831311_385287407555987212_o.jpg |
| 01:05.39 | Ballmer_Peak | why must my keyboard constantly freak out when I'm trying to do something important? |
| 01:06.03 | mckenziemc | how frequently have you done important things in the past vs now? |
| 01:06.23 | mckenziemc | maybe it's concerned by your increased demonstration of responsibility |
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| 02:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/eUGju1A.png |
| 02:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | scared |
| 02:57.17 | nebula | don't stop |
| 02:59.17 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/9L4wrN3.png |
| 02:59.18 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 03:00.07 | mckenziemc | your storage is full Stanzilla, click to clean |
| 03:00.16 | Stanzilla | I disagree |
| 03:05.07 | Mr_Rabies | can you do these kindsa quests in keystone runs yet? http://www.wowhead.com/quest=44267/maw-of-souls |
| 03:05.21 | Mr_Rabies | the ones from OH missions |
| 03:06.15 | nebula | would be nice |
| 03:06.55 | nebula | i have so many mission things i can't be arsed to run normal mythics for |
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| 03:08.06 | Stanzilla | those with special mobs dont work |
| 03:08.11 | Stanzilla | and those where you have to loot something dont |
| 03:08.16 | Stanzilla | others do I think |
| 03:08.30 | nebula | all the mission ones are just kill the end boss |
| 03:08.34 | nebula | atleast that i have |
| 03:08.49 | nebula | i thought it was just wq that changed shit |
| 03:08.58 | Stanzilla | ¯_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 04:54.31 | tz | Zeldo: it's all good now |
| 04:55.01 | tz | older packages weren't doing the localisation insertions |
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| 08:16.20 | karl_w_w | https://i.imgur.com/YzIYXP7.gifv |
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| 10:07.06 | Gnarfoz | Alram: happy birthday \o/ |
| 10:18.44 | Andols | Happy birthday! |
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| 12:29.15 | Simca__ | i got prydaz yesterday |
| 12:29.38 | Simca__ | and my mind hasn't quite wrapped around it yet |
| 12:30.17 | Simca__ | that i could actually get the worst legendary for my spec (sephuz) followed by the second worst legendary for my spec (prydaz) |
| 12:31.07 | Simca | 1/56 RNG basically |
| 12:36.45 | nevcairiel | stun more and sephuz is suddenly awesome |
| 12:37.26 | nevcairiel | imho it gets underrated by many people, there are only very little classes that cant proc it reliably in say m+ |
| 12:38.25 | znf | like Shadow, you mean? |
| 12:38.47 | nevcairiel | piests are just screwed as a whole, holy also doesnt have anything |
| 12:39.12 | znf | Stanzilla said that it doesn't proc on silence, and he never told me if it procs off Mind Bomb |
| 12:39.30 | nevcairiel | they are making it proc on any interrupts in 7.1.5 at least |
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| 13:05.27 | Simca | i stun constantly, but the stats are abysmal for my spec |
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| 13:05.52 | Simca | and 15% haste for 10 sec is just 1 GCD, so basically covers the GCD I spent stunning |
| 13:06.30 | Simca | add on the fact that the proc is complete trash in almost every raid fight, and it's the worst for my spec and better off unequipped in almost every situation |
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| 13:07.47 | Simca | prydaz's effect is actually worse for a healer, i think, but the stats are great for holy paladin, so it's worth it |
| 13:09.35 | Simca | if I get Aggramar's Stride and Uther's Guard next, I'll manage to get all four utility legendaries before getting a single throughput one, which would be the most amazing luck ever |
| 13:11.23 | znf | mine's not bad, tbh |
| 13:11.26 | znf | decent stats |
| 13:11.31 | znf | and I get to cast on the move once in a while |
| 13:11.35 | Simca | i wonder if they'd consider making sephuz trigger off dispels |
| 13:11.44 | znf | nononono, don't do that |
| 13:11.45 | Simca | since they took interrupts away from healers |
| 13:11.47 | znf | I don't have mana to do that |
| 13:12.41 | Simca | giving the interrupts a trigger buffs sephuz for dps/tanks but it's still very hard to proc in raids for healers. adding dispels as a trigger would make it on par |
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| 13:39.23 | Gnarfoz | Simca: I'll trade you my Aggramar's for the cloak or the good ring... or the belt, in preparation for 7.1.5 |
| 13:40.01 | Simca | yeah, aggramar's might actually be worse than prydaz |
| 13:40.22 | Simca | given how bad haste is for holy |
| 13:40.29 | Simca | i have like 200 haste |
| 13:40.57 | Gnarfoz | Sephuz has good stats for Ret, and I can proc the effect an acceptable amount |
| 13:41.00 | Gnarfoz | even better in 7.1.5 |
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| 13:43.29 | Gnarfoz | and aggramar's is fun, because ridiculous run speed during Crusade |
| 13:43.46 | Gnarfoz | (or during Sephuz... or during Nightmare Egg Shell ^^) |
| 13:44.08 | Gnarfoz | still, cloak, ring (belt in 7.1.5) would be preferable :P |
| 13:44.17 | PhatsoTGT | when i have a base addon with a lib, media and all that stuff... and several addons that use the base addon to actually provide functionality... what would be the right way to deliver them |
| 13:44.41 | PhatsoTGT | deliver all functionality addons with the base addon? |
| 13:45.05 | PhatsoTGT | or deliver everything seperately and let the user figure out that dependencies are missing? |
| 13:48.15 | Fisker | I want more than one legendary |
| 13:48.26 | nebula | just serve everything together unless they're so disparate that people will rarely want more than one "plugin" |
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| 14:18.00 | PhatsoTGT | wait... embeds.xml.... ? is linking TOC directly to libs with no lib strip not the preferred way anymore? |
| 14:18.35 | nevcairiel | makes no difference |
| 14:18.52 | nebula | either way works fine, the benefit of embeds is you can edit it and have it reread without a client restart |
| 14:18.55 | nevcairiel | embeds.xml is an older concept that some old updaters used to delete embedded libs before we had packager things doing that |
| 14:19.34 | nevcairiel | my dev copy never has any embedded libs in it, so not sure what good that would do |
| 14:19.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 14:20.25 | PhatsoTGT | you use standalone libs and let curse package shit right in it? |
| 14:20.27 | nebula | i can never remember what parts of the toc are read on reload either, so might not even be different anymore |
| 14:20.39 | nebula | i usually think more of modules.xml or locales.xml |
| 14:20.56 | nebula | PhatsoTGT: yes |
| 14:21.00 | nevcairiel | iirc it actually processes changes to the toc file list |
| 14:21.06 | nevcairiel | just cant add new files that didnt exist before |
| 14:21.11 | nebula | right |
| 14:21.26 | nevcairiel | but who knows, i usually only do that when i also add or remove a physical file |
| 14:21.41 | PhatsoTGT | the curse stuff is really gonna give me a headache... calling it now |
| 14:22.03 | nebula | i would say it's pretty simple, but who knows what will happen now |
| 14:22.07 | nebula | >.> |
| 14:22.15 | PhatsoTGT | the people i am currently working with are just running wild on editing raw addons |
| 14:22.35 | PhatsoTGT | for a UI pack they are making |
| 14:22.59 | PhatsoTGT | so every pull i make i see another addon popping up modified in curse |
| 14:23.05 | nevcairiel | be aware that most authors dont like it when people ship modified versions of their addons |
| 14:23.25 | PhatsoTGT | i have no intention to ship any modified version nevcairiel |
| 14:23.47 | PhatsoTGT | i am currently typing in workflows for people who never did any addon coding |
| 14:24.21 | nevcairiel | well people that make an UI pack usually also want to ship it, and you make it sound like they modify addons in it |
| 14:24.45 | PhatsoTGT | the first version they gave me had textures overrides, ElvUI overrides, acegui overrides |
| 14:25.02 | PhatsoTGT | framexml texture overrides that is |
| 14:25.16 | PhatsoTGT | cue in violent sigh'ing |
| 14:26.38 | PhatsoTGT | i'm still slowly preparing them to accept the fact that ElvUI will not be part of that compilation :;D |
| 14:29.53 | PhatsoTGT | hey i just wondered. is there any difference between a line that closes with a ; or a line without one? |
| 14:30.14 | nevcairiel | yes, the one with a ; has a ; in it |
| 14:30.22 | nevcairiel | that is all |
| 14:30.24 | PhatsoTGT | i earned that one |
| 14:30.25 | PhatsoTGT | :D |
| 14:30.44 | nevcairiel | if its at the end of the line, it makes in 99.9% of all cases no difference |
| 14:30.51 | PhatsoTGT | ok... why would lua even allow semicolon closures then? |
| 14:31.04 | PhatsoTGT | thats to much freedom |
| 14:31.08 | nevcairiel | you can use it to split statements on the same line |
| 14:31.23 | PhatsoTGT | well yeah of course but why would you do that? |
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| 14:31.50 | nevcairiel | who knows why anyone does anything |
| 14:31.58 | nevcairiel | you could write an entire addon in one line! |
| 14:38.54 | PhatsoTGT | don't give the python people any ideas |
| 14:44.42 | Constie | You might want to put multiple statements in one line in macros. |
| 14:44.55 | nevcairiel | most of the time you dont even need ; for that though |
| 14:45.06 | Constie | But sometimes you do! |
| 14:45.07 | nevcairiel | spaces often serve the same purpose |
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| 15:19.38 | p3lim | Zeldo: the dashboard is showing amount of all issues, even closed one, intended? |
| 15:19.46 | p3lim | closed ones* |
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| 15:23.00 | PhatsoTGT | so... is wowace where the curse client grabs its addons from? |
| 15:24.35 | nevcairiel | technically from curse |
| 15:24.54 | nevcairiel | curseforge and wowace iarethe author portal to manage your addons on curse |
| 15:38.43 | Gnarfoz | hm, 4 versions of Gladius |
| 15:40.33 | PhatsoTGT | do you guys develop on the Curseforge Repos or seperate ones? |
| 15:40.47 | Gnarfoz | wowace, because it wasn't possible to use external ones before |
| 15:41.09 | Gnarfoz | (although you could of course keep your code at several places, or employ your own build scripts and push to curse as a zip) |
| 15:43.07 | nevcairiel | on wowace everyone had to use repos, but on curseforge people could also upload zips, so who knows what they did to make those zips |
| 15:44.09 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 15:44.13 | Gnarfoz | I just updated BT4 |
| 15:44.16 | Gnarfoz | and everything broke |
| 15:44.27 | nevcairiel | its designed to do that |
| 15:44.33 | nevcairiel | i dont like you anymore |
| 15:44.40 | Gnarfoz | ah, |
| 15:44.43 | Gnarfoz | that makes sense |
| 15:44.43 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:44.47 | nevcairiel | whats it doing? |
| 15:44.56 | Gnarfoz | basically acting like it's not loaded |
| 15:45.04 | nevcairiel | error messages man! |
| 15:45.04 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 15:45.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah yeah |
| 15:45.13 | Gnarfoz | also Curse claimed it was "modified" |
| 15:45.19 | Gnarfoz | same as BigWigs all day every day |
| 15:45.21 | nevcairiel | known bug apparently |
| 15:45.23 | Gnarfoz | site update must have broken some things |
| 15:45.32 | Gnarfoz | oh, it installed nolib |
| 15:45.36 | Gnarfoz | guess that might break things |
| 15:45.49 | Gnarfoz | (although I have Ace3 installed separately -- does it use much more than that? libactionbutton I guess) |
| 15:45.55 | nevcairiel | a bunch of others |
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| 15:46.56 | nevcairiel | hm the alpha pulled in some old libraries |
| 15:46.58 | nevcairiel | not recent versions |
| 15:47.24 | Gnarfoz | well, nolib probably didn't pull in any at all :D |
| 15:47.49 | Gnarfoz | and https://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/files/2346607 is missing some localizations |
| 15:48.12 | Gnarfoz | https://haste.smb.wtf/edecukozujicamesakijogakanotem |
| 15:48.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's an old libkeybound |
| 15:48.23 | Gnarfoz | trying to use CreateTitleRegion |
| 15:50.45 | nevcairiel | so much broken |
| 15:50.52 | nevcairiel | guess i'll hide that file again |
| 15:55.00 | nevcairiel | locale are not missing, the locale tool screwed up |
| 15:59.42 | nevcairiel | the locale issues would just produce noise though and not break it |
| 15:59.48 | nevcairiel | the real breakage is keybound |
| 16:00.21 | Funkeh` | bad |
| 16:00.39 | Funkeh` | try update your pkgmeta and see if that resolves it |
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| 16:04.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, it being totally broken was because Curse app grabbed nolib despite that not being my setting |
| 16:05.17 | Funkeh` | noice |
| 16:08.42 | Gnarfoz | it also keeps listing BigWigs as "modified", even though there's no update |
| 16:09.15 | Funkeh` | the update works so it doesn't matter |
| 16:09.22 | Gnarfoz | hm? |
| 16:09.37 | Funkeh` | it updates to the latest release |
| 16:09.40 | Gnarfoz | it replaces it with the version I have, and then claims it's modified again, installing the same version again |
| 16:09.57 | Funkeh` | yes, the update works so that doesn't matter |
| 16:10.11 | Funkeh` | i.e. it's not on the level of bartender |
| 16:10.12 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure how you can consider a loop "working" :D |
| 16:10.23 | Funkeh` | I never said it was working |
| 16:10.27 | Funkeh` | I said the update works |
| 16:10.29 | Funkeh` | because it does |
| 16:10.31 | PhatsoTGT | Gnarfoz... oh lol BigWigs being marked Modified is a global issue? |
| 16:10.49 | Gnarfoz | if I go from version A to version A, that's an update? |
| 16:11.05 | Funkeh` | if there's a new version, you'll get it |
| 16:11.12 | Funkeh` | can't say that much for other addons currently |
| 16:11.22 | Gnarfoz | ah, well |
| 16:11.35 | Gnarfoz | actually |
| 16:14.05 | Gnarfoz | I'm on 23.1-1-g1059a43, but it lists 24-1-gbee72ac as latest |
| 16:14.27 | Gnarfoz | and I never get to 24-1, apparently |
| 16:14.37 | Gnarfoz | so the update doesn't actually work |
| 16:15.21 | Gnarfoz | also, I can't move the Curse window anymore, lol |
| 16:15.29 | Gnarfoz | it's now stuck covering most of my second screen, where WoW is |
| 16:16.15 | Funkeh` | it does work, read the embedded changelog |
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| 16:16.19 | Gnarfoz | (I forgot that I had disabled the "current version" column, so I read the "latest" as being what I have... but the right click menu and clicking the addon itself both list the 23-1) |
| 16:16.23 | Funkeh` | it just recognizes it as the wrong version |
| 16:16.33 | Gnarfoz | so how broken is the client right now on a scale of 1 to 10? |
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| 17:45.00 | PhatsoTGT | does anyone here have a PNG to TGA Bulk Converter? |
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| 17:52.08 | Gnarfoz | 'convert' from ImageMagick? |
| 17:53.14 | PhatsoTGT | found that |
| 17:53.31 | PhatsoTGT | are the default settings for tga compatible for the wow requirements? |
| 17:56.50 | znf | honestly |
| 17:56.57 | znf | who designed that stupid watcher island |
| 17:57.03 | znf | because navigating that is a piece of shit |
| 17:58.44 | znf | and I'm not the only one confused about the whereabouts of this stupid quest, judging by the amount of people wandering aimlessly |
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| 17:59.03 | nevcairiel | the average wow player cant find mankriks wife |
| 17:59.07 | nevcairiel | so dont takle that as reference |
| 18:00.37 | znf | like I'm supposed to know who the fuck Bestrix is |
| 18:00.48 | mckenziemc | mankrik's new wife? |
| 18:02.28 | Gnarfoz | an exemplary case of arachnophilia |
| 18:02.33 | znf | oh my fucking god |
| 18:02.35 | znf | it stuns you for 30s |
| 18:02.54 | Gnarfoz | if you suck |
| 18:03.17 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/bWgQPyK.png |
| 18:03.18 | znf | nooo |
| 18:03.20 | znf | NOOOO |
| 18:03.22 | znf | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 18:03.53 | nevcairiel | you should check what they make out of that when mind sear goes away |
| 18:04.07 | znf | good point |
| 18:07.08 | znf | Your first Mind Flay cast after entering Voidform spreads Shadow Word: Pain and Vampiric Touch to 3 enemies within 10 yards of your target. |
| 18:07.17 | znf | how anticlimatic |
| 18:07.45 | mckenziemc | spreads znf over a piece of toast. |
| 18:08.04 | znf | at least I have some crit now :-/ |
| 18:09.18 | znf | at least it's not Sephuz or Prydaz |
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| 18:13.46 | znf | you're a moist grizzleberry Semlar2 |
| 18:14.21 | PhatsoTGT | hey |
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| 18:17.49 | znf | uhm |
| 18:17.51 | znf | it's not working |
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| 19:08.53 | znf | This legendary doesn't work |
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| 20:22.17 | PhatsoTGT | NonSquare Rectangular Buttons... Only with MaskTextures right? |
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