| 00:01.09 | Ammako | it wouldnt be too bad if summoning him was free |
| 00:01.30 | Ammako | although still underwhelming |
| 00:01.31 | Constie | The fireworks would still be too bad then, yes. |
| 00:03.16 | Ammako | i have 896 deaths on my character with the most play time... you guys play more than i do |
| 00:03.59 | kullervo | probably |
| 00:04.00 | Gnarfoz | well, it accumlates over the decades |
| 00:04.02 | kullervo | and we take cooler risks |
| 00:04.10 | kullervo | "this jump will TOTALLY land in water!" |
| 00:04.14 | Gnarfoz | nope! |
| 00:04.16 | Gnarfoz | splat |
| 00:04.20 | kullervo | "Oh, it was knee deep :(" |
| 00:04.27 | Gnarfoz | you had water walking, derp |
| 00:04.28 | znf | Stanzilla, got hidden appearance |
| 00:04.28 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:04.30 | Constie | 2776 on my most played character. |
| 00:04.39 | relaxok | darkmoon firework <3 |
| 00:04.59 | kullervo | a paladin in my order hall claimed I once killed 500 demons in a single blow |
| 00:05.04 | kullervo | I can't remember doing this |
| 00:05.11 | relaxok | lol |
| 00:05.25 | kullervo | everything else they say has been true |
| 00:05.26 | relaxok | sounds like an old dungeon carry |
| 00:05.47 | kullervo | "They say he killed the Ragnaros the Firelord... Twice." |
| 00:05.47 | relaxok | the client really doesnt like killing lots of stuff at once |
| 00:06.00 | kullervo | haha friend complained about that |
| 00:06.25 | kullervo | he couldn't log in for 30 minutes after causing a chain explosion in suramar scenario Egg Room |
| 00:06.48 | relaxok | usually its just the biggest frame spike ever |
| 00:06.59 | pompy | if the game would stop disconnecting me when i minimize the game, that would be great! >< |
| 00:07.07 | kullervo | this actually kills the instance server for some reason |
| 00:07.20 | relaxok | yeah i imagine its not good for the server either |
| 00:08.28 | Stanzilla | znf: grats |
| 00:10.50 | relaxok | i'm really surprised the client doesnt have some built in way to cache the characters you have on each server and show you that in the login glue |
| 00:11.01 | relaxok | i have a million characters all over th place and dont remember the realm names |
| 00:11.16 | relaxok | i guess you can look in the folder with the character specific settings? |
| 00:11.19 | relaxok | but still not ideal |
| 00:11.58 | kullervo | relaxok: it shows you the # of characters on that realm in the realm selection, isn't that enough? |
| 00:12.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not sure what you're asking for, seems like that already exists :D |
| 00:12.20 | relaxok | no |
| 00:12.20 | Ammako | that's really broken sometimes though |
| 00:12.31 | Ammako | showing you have characters on realms you don't, showing you have less than you actually have, etc |
| 00:12.35 | relaxok | it says 1 character on like 10 different eralms, how am i supposed to remember who is on which? |
| 00:12.40 | znf | lol we're pugging EN Normal with 27 people :D |
| 00:12.51 | kullervo | normal's faceroll though |
| 00:13.05 | kullervo | damn, heroic is faceroll |
| 00:13.06 | Gnarfoz | maybe you should merge them all? why even play on multiple realms! :D |
| 00:13.17 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: that costs money |
| 00:13.30 | Gnarfoz | so? why spread them in the first place! :P |
| 00:13.51 | Gnarfoz | INTERNAL CALENDER ERROR |
| 00:14.04 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: please find the name and address of the person responsible |
| 00:14.43 | Constie | You can get a list of your characters and where they are from the forums, at least. http://i.imgur.com/tBVEhhQ.png |
| 00:15.13 | relaxok | yeah |
| 00:15.16 | relaxok | man you really like that name |
| 00:15.44 | relaxok | the list on the site itself 'all your characters' seems to only be the recently active ones maybe? its saying i only have 8 |
| 00:15.55 | kullervo | all my new alts are Vji-something |
| 00:15.57 | Constie | It's a good name. |
| 00:16.20 | kullervo | this makes sending mail to alts very difficult because the autocomplete is "interesting" |
| 00:16.54 | Gnarfoz | mailbox, the hard mode |
| 00:16.56 | relaxok | i do like a good name |
| 00:17.05 | relaxok | not a fan of crap like Bunnyqtlol etc |
| 00:17.21 | Gnarfoz | I need to make a cheat sheet for my clique bindings for holy |
| 00:17.40 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: make mouseover macros with many many many conditionals |
| 00:17.47 | kullervo | they're SO MUCH BETTER honestly |
| 00:18.06 | kullervo | I was forced to make proper macros when my mistweaver was recruited in an eu top 20 pvp guild in wod |
| 00:18.29 | znf | asshole people picking up feathers |
| 00:18.36 | znf | leave it to the poor shadow priests who S2M'd! |
| 00:18.43 | Constie | I switched to mouseover macros just so I don't have to redo Clique bindings or copy savedvariables whenever I make a new UI. |
| 00:18.54 | relaxok | what was blizzard's reason for getting rid of almost all enchants? |
| 00:18.56 | kullervo | znf: your first mistake was S2M on that platform |
| 00:19.01 | relaxok | onerous to keep enchanting new drops? |
| 00:19.09 | relaxok | (also gems) |
| 00:19.14 | znf | kullervo, we took it to 40% in the platform |
| 00:19.20 | kullervo | so what |
| 00:19.22 | znf | I tought we were going to do it on one go :D |
| 00:19.25 | kullervo | you knew there's hard movement |
| 00:20.02 | znf | I didn't count on everyone picking up the damn feathers |
| 00:20.41 | Gnarfoz | PUGs, lel. |
| 00:21.08 | Gnarfoz | kullervo: I don't see how that's even one bit better than just using Clique :D |
| 00:21.39 | Gnarfoz | I much prefer using my mouse for this, but... I don't heal often. like, twice per expansion, or thereabouts |
| 00:22.35 | Gnarfoz | (also, you could just use Clique's profile management thing to switch to a profile instead of fuckign with the SVs) |
| 00:25.01 | Gnarfoz | (and it turns out I could have just signed up as heal and stayed ret for the stupid horseman. no healing required whatsoever.) |
| 00:25.03 | Constie | I could, except I usually wipe my Interface and WTF folders when I make a new UI. |
| 00:25.52 | Gnarfoz | I don't make new UIs, so I'm safe on that side. :P |
| 00:27.21 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: I used to rely on clique, but have since moved most of my heals to use my damage spell buttons |
| 00:27.57 | Gnarfoz | I don't like splitting it up between mousing over a frame and then pressing a button with the other hand |
| 00:27.59 | znf | I tought I pressed S2M |
| 00:28.00 | znf | I didn't |
| 00:28.05 | znf | then I pressed it, wasn't facing the boss |
| 00:28.08 | znf | went splat in 5 seconds |
| 00:28.12 | Gnarfoz | feels disconnected somehow |
| 00:28.28 | kullervo | you're pressing SOME buttons anyway |
| 00:28.34 | Gnarfoz | mouse buttons, yeah |
| 00:28.48 | kullervo | got to have that 90 casts per minute mang |
| 00:28.50 | Gnarfoz | imagine left click was on 2 instead of on the mouse :D |
| 00:29.03 | Gnarfoz | 90 casts of what? this is not starcraft |
| 00:29.04 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:29.43 | kullervo | anything? |
| 00:29.49 | kullervo | as long as you're casting something... |
| 00:30.21 | Gnarfoz | considering several of the heals take longer than 1 second to cast (or GCD), I don't see myself casting 90 anythings. |
| 00:30.53 | kullervo | not 90 player actions per minute, usually |
| 00:30.55 | kullervo | but casts |
| 00:31.23 | kullervo | prot palas could have 90-100 actual button presses per minute in WoD, that was crazy |
| 00:31.37 | Gnarfoz | that's not a caster |
| 00:31.46 | Gnarfoz | I'm talking about healing? |
| 00:31.54 | _Kee | "Repo: New addon: Rise Above Camera Max - http://legacy.curseforge.com/addons/rise-above-camera-max/ " and the description: "This addon just execute SET cameraDistanceMaxFactor 2.6 each time event PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD occurs." -_- since when "max" is "above max"? |
| 00:32.09 | Gnarfoz | and I don't see the distinction you're making between "player actions" and "casts" |
| 00:32.32 | Gnarfoz | _Kee: the base UI slider still doesn't go to the actual max, so probably that |
| 00:32.50 | _Kee | I feel like I bough a box of milk and got a water inside. |
| 00:33.02 | kullervo | "casts per minute" is what appears on warcraftlogs |
| 00:33.09 | kullervo | and "player actions" is what you're actually doing |
| 00:33.15 | Gnarfoz | what I'm doing |
| 00:33.18 | Gnarfoz | or my character is doing |
| 00:33.22 | kullervo | you are |
| 00:33.23 | Gnarfoz | (which is referred to as "player" in WoW) |
| 00:33.31 | Gnarfoz | who cares how many times I mash my keys |
| 00:33.35 | Gnarfoz | that's a terrible habit anyway :p |
| 00:33.38 | kullervo | uh |
| 00:33.52 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't result in extra or quicker actions thanks to the ability queue |
| 00:33.53 | kullervo | I mean... button presses resulting in a combat log event other than "cast failed" |
| 00:34.18 | Gnarfoz | well, I can't speed those up beyond getting more haste |
| 00:34.20 | kullervo | what I'm going at, minimize your idle time |
| 00:34.26 | Gnarfoz | certainly not by going from mouse clicks to button presses |
| 00:34.40 | Gnarfoz | what idle time? and how to button presses have less idle time than mouse clicks |
| 00:34.46 | kullervo | ah now I get it |
| 00:34.53 | Gnarfoz | s/to/do |
| 00:35.06 | kullervo | you're just healing like a healer, while I focus on filling every non-healing gcd with damage |
| 00:35.27 | kullervo | and indeed only rarely target something other than hostiles |
| 00:35.38 | Gnarfoz | (I don't heal, period, I just like having a working healing setup to keep the illusion that I'd be capable of doing so alive) |
| 00:36.06 | Gnarfoz | my buttons are indeed my damaging abilities |
| 00:36.22 | kullervo | meh, I'll stop distracting myself and fuck off to scout the local area |
| 00:36.32 | Gnarfoz | what's to scout? |
| 00:36.38 | Gnarfoz | and since my left hand is where it is in other specs, I can just press them, i.e. no idle time |
| 00:36.43 | Gnarfoz | or maybe: little idle time |
| 00:36.55 | kullervo | I think there's a cool path near the ocean |
| 00:37.22 | Gnarfoz | no idea how using complicated macros changes any of this :D that seems just like preference |
| 00:37.35 | Gnarfoz | also, THE REAL WORLD? it's dangerous to go alone, take... something. :p |
| 00:38.52 | _Kee | I could never understand pesmashing keys for non-off-gcd spells like monkeys while they are on gcd and queued next spell already. |
| 00:38.53 | Gnarfoz | "CPM while active" in that one tooltip deep down in the bowels of WCL? |
| 00:39.18 | Gnarfoz | ah, there's a CPM column right next to it, herp derp |
| 00:40.12 | _Kee | s/d pe/d people / |
| 00:40.14 | Gnarfoz | 49.8? that seems ok, not sure how I could possibly get to 100 there. :D |
| 00:41.41 | Gnarfoz | shadow priest and arcane mage had >60 on Nythendra |
| 00:42.10 | Gnarfoz | that must get tiring quickly, if that's actual player-initiated casts and not some other mechanic |
| 00:42.51 | Gnarfoz | like arcane missiles which hits multiple times... I bet those each count as a cast |
| 00:43.26 | znf | <Gnarfoz> "CPM while active" in that one tooltip deep down in the bowels of WCL? |
| 00:43.28 | znf | what's CPM? |
| 00:43.41 | Gnarfoz | oh they get "activated" from other things now, so I guess that contributes |
| 00:53.17 | znf | another EN Normal run |
| 00:53.21 | znf | no loot upgrades :( |
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| 00:58.27 | _Kee | I tried it: https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/libgroupinspect and works pretty well |
| 00:59.40 | Seeker | I had 72.5 CPM on cenarius last night |
| 00:59.52 | Gnarfoz | as what? |
| 00:59.57 | Gnarfoz | (and... link?) |
| 01:00.04 | Gnarfoz | _Kee: it's well-established |
| 01:00.06 | Seeker | outlaw rogue |
| 01:02.03 | znf | that was a nice cutscene from the fel ravaged tome |
| 01:03.02 | nebula | one of the harbingers cinematics? you hadn't already seen them? |
| 01:06.25 | znf | nope |
| 01:06.55 | WrathTECH | Is there a site with a list of all the 2D UI animations? Possibly with a screenshot of it? Couldn't get that lucky right, not with how shit this years been |
| 01:08.10 | nebula | znf: there's an achievement to watch all three in game, they all pretty good |
| 01:08.36 | znf | they didn't have the quest mark on them until recently |
| 01:08.44 | znf | now the tomes have the quest mark |
| 01:09.09 | nebula | ah |
| 01:09.36 | znf | didn't bother picking them up :D |
| 01:10.05 | relaxok | Seeker: how does that make sense with the GCD? |
| 01:10.49 | nebula | well the other two are really out of the way, khadgar is under the town outside kara, and guldan is in a wod shadowmoon valley area |
| 01:11.19 | znf | never gonna go do them, then :D |
| 01:11.31 | znf | you can watch them on youtube, can't you? |
| 01:11.35 | nebula | yea |
| 01:12.11 | nebula | you'll be running to kara next week anyway, may as well pick it up then :p |
| 01:12.31 | znf | ^^ |
| 01:12.57 | znf | not really sure I'll run it :D |
| 01:14.00 | _Kee | oh, cool :) |
| 01:15.21 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: no shit it's dangerous, it's 4 in the morning |
| 01:15.39 | kullervo | but I currently self identify as the morning star so it's fine |
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| 01:16.43 | Gnarfoz | Ressy: it probably doesn't, considering it counts procs for arcane mages and shadow priests |
| 01:16.51 | Gnarfoz | hmm. not Ressy, relaxok. ^ |
| 01:18.28 | znf | shadow procs? |
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| 01:18.48 | relaxok | i only see my CPM from warcraftlogs |
| 01:19.01 | relaxok | like 40? lol |
| 01:19.17 | relaxok | someday i will ask someone on discord to tell me why i suck |
| 01:19.32 | relaxok | although my dps is sometimes close to simcraft |
| 01:20.21 | relaxok | i usually keep simc on light movement good play |
| 01:21.29 | Gnarfoz | Seeker's CPM are also inflated, by the additional hit from Saber Slash, it looks like |
| 01:21.53 | Gnarfoz | or maybe it's "Combo Point" itself, lol |
| 01:22.27 | Seeker | yeah, extra CP generated from that, and the wind bolt procs from my trinket |
| 01:24.02 | relaxok | i just noticed in warcraftlogs it shows you a percentile for your ilvl vs other parses at that ilvl |
| 01:24.09 | relaxok | that's sweet |
| 01:25.29 | Seeker | without those two things I "only" get 53 CPM, which is still higher than all but 2 other people in my guild |
| 01:25.33 | Seeker | *including* their procs |
| 01:25.52 | relaxok | there's also no cast times for rogue i imagine |
| 01:26.07 | Seeker | correct |
| 01:26.41 | Seeker | The lowest was ~20 CPM including inflating things, which was a holy priest |
| 01:28.12 | relaxok | looks like most of my parses are 50 percentile ish |
| 01:28.19 | Gnarfoz | https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ykXpdGw6n4fFYTrQ#type=casts&fight=3&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24expression%24ability.name+not+in+('Combo+Point',+'Wind+Bolt') |
| 01:28.21 | relaxok | could be worse then |
| 01:28.36 | Gnarfoz | hm, that link breaks in Quassel |
| 01:28.55 | relaxok | one thing i know i dont do enough is get proper range to be able to dragon breath |
| 01:29.16 | Seeker | relaxok: the rankings are really hard to gauge this tier, with the way legendaries / artifacts work |
| 01:29.40 | relaxok | yeah, well also i'm super casual and we're talking about RF here lol |
| 01:30.00 | relaxok | no consumables or gems or enchants either |
| 01:33.18 | znf | LFG tank asks why we died |
| 01:33.21 | znf | he has 4.8mil HP |
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| 01:33.23 | znf | we have < 2 |
| 01:33.44 | Ammako | when i die it's usually because my health reached 0 |
| 01:33.59 | Ammako | sometimes it's because i got killed |
| 01:34.10 | Seeker | One of our tanks died on ursoc last night. When asked why he died, he responded "I ran out of hit points" |
| 01:34.16 | znf | he pulled half the dungeon |
| 01:34.21 | znf | with spell casters |
| 01:34.22 | znf | dh |
| 01:34.23 | znf | doh |
| 01:34.44 | mckenziemc | temporarily sets Ammako's max health to 0. |
| 01:35.01 | Gnarfoz | Seeker: well, he analyzed his death correctly! |
| 01:35.23 | Ammako | if i have 0/0 health though, am i technically at 100% health |
| 01:35.24 | Ammako | what happens then |
| 01:36.32 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: he got the proximal cause. The distal cause was "I screwed up the taunt" |
| 01:39.01 | Ammako | i have so many cats in my room now |
| 01:42.14 | mckenziemc | Ammako: division by zero does not yield u1 |
| 01:42.16 | mckenziemc | 1 |
| 01:42.46 | Gnarfoz | NaaaaaN health |
| 01:42.49 | Gnarfoz | yum. |
| 01:42.55 | Ammako | mmmm |
| 01:43.22 | mckenziemc | feel free to use L'Hopital's rule |
| 01:43.37 | Ammako | i prefer pita bread |
| 01:43.53 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 01:43.54 | Gnarfoz | poor peeta |
| 01:44.28 | Gnarfoz | also, poor me if I don't get some sleep soon |
| 02:01.48 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: damnit, now you've made me hungry |
| 02:06.43 | kullervo | hmm yeah Seeker eating's a good plan |
| 02:08.31 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: the beach wasn't really suitable for a casual runner, but sure felt great as a low light balance exercise with all the rocks |
| 02:28.03 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_102116_052754.jpg |
| 02:28.12 | kullervo | what a weird item to have in one's inventory... |
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| 02:32.32 | znf | Noooooooooooooo |
| 02:32.36 | znf | I sold my Starlight Rosedust |
| 02:33.08 | znf | oh, you only need to attempt. not the actual dust |
| 02:33.09 | znf | nevermind |
| 02:43.23 | mckenziemc | kullervo: sometimes the garrison xp missions would give you an item instead of the xp directly (when you had full bags and another mission with loot?) |
| 02:48.07 | Iriel | happens when you use the app, too |
| 02:48.38 | Iriel | znf: Someone said you might need the dust later, for tier 3, i've yet to experience that myself so cant' say if they were correct or BS'ing. |
| 02:49.12 | znf | afaik you only need the actual roses?! |
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| 03:14.42 | znf | I can confirm, indeed, that the worst feeling is when a starlight rose disappears in front of you |
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| 03:54.32 | Ssateneth | Automatically end interaction with Nomi when his work order window fails to open due to a blizzard bug |
| 03:54.35 | Ssateneth | nice! |
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| 04:50.32 | Kinesia1 | Hi Semlar, here to bug you again... Nomicakes says I have 2 recipes availble but its 2 and 3 of the same recipe, which means I can only really get version 2... Is that correct? |
| 04:53.55 | Mr_Rabies | as far as i know you can't get rank 3 until you learn rank 2 |
| 04:54.22 | Mr_Rabies | interestingly, though: i didn't have a rank of a pattern, then learned rank 1 from doing the quest associated with it, then went to nomi and he had rank 2 waiting in the work orders |
| 04:56.08 | Semlar | Kinesia1: yeah, you can only get rank 2, but i didn't want to say you could only learn 1 recipe |
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| 05:00.37 | Ssateneth | can obliterum be used to upgrade crafted relics? |
| 05:00.43 | Ssateneth | also https://gyazo.com/3d4e4c3203a26c306de490f81ccf46e2 |
| 05:00.44 | Ssateneth | rng is rng |
| 05:00.58 | Ssateneth | 8 successful +ilvl rolls and a socket |
| 05:01.12 | Ssateneth | 825 -> 865 |
| 05:04.04 | Constie | I got 885 shoes from heroic Ursoc today. No socket, though. Bli$$ard literally slaps me in the face yet again. |
| 05:07.44 | kullervo | LITERALLY slaps you huh. |
| 05:08.57 | Constie | It was a literal slap in the face from Ghostcrawler himself. |
| 05:10.42 | kullervo | he doesn't even work there |
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| 05:18.47 | mckenziemc | literally |
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| 05:49.38 | mckenziemc | draws figures for Torhal instead. |
| 05:50.00 | Torhal | You need to watch your figure, mckenziemc. |
| 05:50.24 | mckenziemc | gives Torhal twice as much space. |
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| 07:31.31 | karl_w_w | how do you know Torhal? have you been watching his figure? |
| 07:37.00 | Kalroth | that figures |
| 07:41.44 | nevcairiel | znf: you need 20 dust for the rank 3 quest |
| 08:15.16 | karl_w_w | this is pretty funny http://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/51/22/7478effe9f0ac2b60b45bbceae57e113-harry-potter-characters-book-vs-movie.jpg |
| 09:38.51 | mitch0 | is not |
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| 09:41.04 | karl_w_w | is too |
| 09:41.22 | mitch0 | is not |
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| 09:52.00 | Semlar | so tyrannical is ridiculous |
| 09:52.17 | Semlar | i just did a darkheart 10 |
| 09:52.30 | Semlar | and the final boss nearly one shots people with nightmare bolt and feed on the weak |
| 09:53.01 | karl_w_w | freaking october is nearly over and I still can't buy a 960 evo! |
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| 10:07.38 | karl_w_w | you gotta be pretty desperate to rip off MSI's logo https://web.archive.org/web/20160420221002/http://www.money-solutions.ca/ |
| 10:30.06 | ls- | any suggestions for good tooltip addons? O_o |
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| 11:07.24 | Semlar | the only tooltip addon i even know of is tiptac |
| 11:07.33 | Semlar | but i don't use one |
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| 11:14.24 | karl_w_w | I used to, it's pretty good |
| 11:14.37 | karl_w_w | but it can be demanding if you turn a lot of the features on |
| 11:15.17 | Torhal | I heard users can be demanding when Semlar releases code. |
| 11:21.09 | Semlar | "why doesn't anything work!?" |
| 11:22.37 | Semlar | i guess i should probably fix this |
| 12:05.48 | Semlar | i should probably stop fixing things when i've been up for like 24 hours |
| 12:08.03 | karl_w_w | "fixing" things on 24 hours of wakefulness is more accurately described as "changing the way they are broken" |
| 12:08.14 | Semlar | i mean, it looks like it should work |
| 12:08.50 | Semlar | i'm going to assume it works |
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| 12:24.22 | Semlar | but that's what i said about the last 5 versions |
| 12:25.29 | nevcairiel | anyone happen to have connectivity issues with steam? |
| 12:25.40 | nevcairiel | rebooted for a clean driver update and now it says it cant connect at all |
| 12:26.36 | nevcairiel | now it worked again, odd |
| 12:45.05 | VIad | Semlar: the more pools boss soaks the more dmg his bolts doo :D |
| 12:45.26 | Semlar | this is way before that even happens |
| 12:45.27 | VIad | also unsure if blizz hotfixed the tyrranical bug with the dmg stacking |
| 12:45.32 | Semlar | if he gets a buff he'll one shot you |
| 12:45.51 | VIad | I know phase transition took us down to very low hp with defensive cds too |
| 12:46.06 | Semlar | you can't survive 3 stacks of it, his nightmare bolt will one shot you |
| 12:46.17 | Semlar | i don't see how you could possibly do that fight on a difficulty higher than 10 |
| 12:46.24 | Semlar | because you just couldn't survive any of his attacks |
| 12:46.51 | Semlar | his nightmare bolt literally does 2 million damage |
| 12:46.53 | VIad | oh I know |
| 12:47.11 | VIad | we had to run around like idiots and hope that those targeted had like short CD good dmg mitigation abilities :p |
| 12:47.33 | VIad | the moment he gets a buff in 2 phase it is 100% wipe |
| 12:48.00 | Semlar | like, i have a 872 item level and it was almost one shotting me |
| 12:48.27 | VIad | need more stamina gear |
| 12:48.45 | VIad | people have been saying blizz has to do some adjustments per encounter basis as some of them are literally impossible to do :p |
| 12:49.02 | VIad | like azshara :p |
| 12:49.16 | VIad | do you wanna die from the bomb, or do you wanna wipe by stacking on the bomb? :p |
| 12:50.15 | nevcairiel | shade of xavius is an encounter where some actually respec full defensive to have any chance of surviving his targeted attacks at high levels |
| 12:50.37 | nevcairiel | anyway i really dislike that entire place |
| 12:51.08 | VIad | it's like some team compos just won't be able to do a 10 timed, or maybe evne untimed too, if you have the perfect suffix combination that week :p |
| 12:51.15 | nevcairiel | the trash is terrible, the bosses are annoying |
| 12:51.26 | VIad | do you skip the last pack before boss, nevcairiel? |
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| 12:51.51 | nevcairiel | we have actively avoided doing it in any sort of challenging mode |
| 12:51.59 | Semlar | good luck one shotting the final boss on 10 |
| 12:52.18 | nevcairiel | but if percentages allow it, might be worth it |
| 12:52.28 | nevcairiel | but then you should oneshot or you have to run back =p |
| 12:52.53 | VIad | ^ :p |
| 12:53.18 | VIad | as a DH I can use my sigil of misery to apply a 30 sec like a rooted fear |
| 12:53.31 | VIad | then I shadowmeld on the other side to drop combat |
| 12:53.42 | nevcairiel | great, and the 4 others? |
| 12:53.42 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 12:53.45 | VIad | others can run past without getting in combat, the mob aggro radius doesnt work |
| 12:53.51 | VIad | not with that kind of CC |
| 12:53.57 | VIad | its quite good actually |
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| 12:54.32 | VIad | spell says "Causes all enemies affected by the sigil to cower in fear, disorienting them for 30 sec." |
| 12:54.45 | nevcairiel | 30s aoe cc seems rather op |
| 12:54.49 | VIad | yes |
| 12:54.57 | VIad | it's 7 seconds for players |
| 12:55.08 | VIad | and I use this often in combat if we need a break :p or ninja add pulls |
| 12:56.46 | VIad | but how I see it so far is just bring fire mages and hunters as dps |
| 12:56.53 | VIad | they got all the CC tools you need :p |
| 12:57.03 | VIad | and enemy purging of buffs |
| 12:57.08 | VIad | melee is usually a weakness |
| 12:57.35 | nevcairiel | melees are plenty strong in aoe burst dps |
| 12:57.37 | VIad | druid healers are very good I think |
| 12:57.44 | VIad | firemage? :D |
| 12:58.09 | VIad | we have a monk that does good dps but he dies a lot of stuff in melee range :( |
| 12:58.21 | VIad | well our team shifts around a bit |
| 12:58.36 | VIad | its usually me and the druid healer and we have shifting dps depending on availability |
| 12:59.07 | nevcairiel | we usually go with a firemage, a rogue and the last spot for whoever is around, assuming those two dpsers are there |
| 13:00.20 | VIad | rogue is good |
| 13:00.24 | VIad | COS is strong |
| 13:00.31 | VIad | can survive a lot of melee shit, has slows, stuns :p |
| 13:00.37 | VIad | good for ST bursts when you need it |
| 13:00.52 | VIad | wish we had a firemage and rogue in our setup :( |
| 13:01.02 | VIad | we often have like DH/monk/warlock/shaman dps |
| 13:01.07 | VIad | sometimes hunter |
| 13:01.25 | VIad | I feel like lock/shaman is a bit subpar many times, monk is like capped at 4 target aoe with his images :p |
| 13:01.29 | VIad | good dps sure |
| 13:01.39 | VIad | just karma dps is a bit dangerous in + modes |
| 13:01.46 | VIad | can sometimes die from it sadly hehe |
| 13:02.12 | nevcairiel | warlocks are a bit weird, depending on which spec they go, ours is affliction which cna sometimes do insane burst aoe dps when mobs die fast enough, but when there is huge mobs or bosses it falls down a bit |
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| 13:40.36 | Semlar | enhancement damage is super good |
| 13:41.08 | VIad | yeah wish our elem was enh ;d |
| 13:41.10 | Semlar | monks are op for basically everything |
| 13:41.34 | VIad | this expansion it feels like you commit to one role after you got like 2 legendaries and so much AP on your weapon :p |
| 13:41.42 | VIad | can't just swap to whatever and perform equally good |
| 13:42.21 | Semlar | yeah i don't even see a way to play another hunter spec without feeling gimped |
| 13:43.08 | VIad | it's worse for those that are like priests lets say, suddenly going shadow :p |
| 13:43.20 | VIad | you will lack serious a mount of artifact upgrades this early in the expansion |
| 13:43.25 | Semlar | why is it worse |
| 13:43.27 | VIad | and not to mention the wrong secondary stats on all the gear |
| 13:43.40 | VIad | like its another role |
| 13:43.47 | VIad | hunter is all dps anyway |
| 13:43.52 | Semlar | so? |
| 13:43.55 | Semlar | you have the same issues |
| 13:44.07 | VIad | yes but if you wanted to fill in a heal>dps or dps>heal role its worse :p |
| 13:44.08 | Semlar | it's not like i don't also have an unranked artifact weapon |
| 13:44.11 | VIad | you'd perform poorly |
| 13:44.43 | VIad | druid/paladin can in theory go dps, tank and heal, but atm they probably have just one spec maxed as their main spec and gear :p |
| 13:44.56 | Semlar | right, and i also only have one spec |
| 13:45.13 | Semlar | you think i can switch specs and somehow compete with marksmanship? |
| 13:45.26 | VIad | you will probably do worse than you do atm as MM |
| 13:45.34 | VIad | because you are mostly equipped for MM |
| 13:45.49 | Semlar | it's almost entirely about your weapon |
| 13:46.12 | VIad | it's kind of weird how the freedom to swap to what ever you want, yet you kind of can't because you don't have the right gear to perform equally good :p |
| 13:46.17 | VIad | weapon = gear too |
| 13:47.11 | VIad | oh Semlar have you worked on the COS talk thingy? |
| 13:47.13 | Semlar | unless you're playing a class where they have wildly different secondary stats on their gear and it makes a huge difference |
| 13:47.18 | Semlar | no |
| 13:47.31 | VIad | I've done a bunch of COS but I rarely have time to like work on my addon ,_, |
| 13:47.34 | Semlar | i don't care about an addon for that instance, we literally just have a DH uncover the guy |
| 13:47.58 | VIad | do you have a prot pala tank? |
| 13:47.59 | Semlar | we don't even read the dialogs |
| 13:48.03 | VIad | you have to |
| 13:48.04 | Semlar | we have a DH tank |
| 13:48.11 | VIad | I mean, have to talk to them and click thing ;D |
| 13:48.20 | Semlar | obviously |
| 13:48.37 | Semlar | angry keystones dumps the dialog to the chat |
| 13:48.37 | VIad | did you know if you spam instant casts on the demon guy it can bug and remain on the 12 min hp? |
| 13:48.51 | VIad | he casts a "full heal" spell to heal after transforming |
| 13:49.06 | Semlar | i've heard people say that and it has never worked so i don't know what people are talking about |
| 13:49.16 | VIad | but if everyone spams their instant casts on it, if lucky, you will engage it as it transforms and skip his 90% hp :p |
| 13:49.19 | Semlar | have you actually seen that happen |
| 13:49.20 | VIad | it has worked several times in my groups |
| 13:49.21 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:49.32 | Semlar | no |
| 13:49.35 | VIad | I accidentally discovered it by habit, just spamming attacks until attackable |
| 13:49.41 | Semlar | you just got absurdly lucky |
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| 13:49.57 | VIad | you need shit with no travel time too |
| 13:50.01 | VIad | shadow word pain is a good one |
| 13:50.05 | VIad | mage frost orb is good too |
| 13:50.08 | Ammako_ | i thought i got dced from drinking draught of raw magic but it sounds like i got dcd from irc too |
| 13:50.42 | Ammako | so i guess that might have been a connection hiccup |
| 13:50.54 | Semlar | i have no instants with no travel time, but the rest of my group has never ever been able to do anything but pull aggro and die from spamming instants on him |
| 13:51.03 | VIad | I dont even know why blizz use "Full Heal" or the "ClearAllDebuffs" spells :p |
| 13:51.14 | VIad | cant you script it in? |
| 13:51.21 | VIad | it is already a scripted even |
| 13:51.25 | VIad | event* |
| 13:51.57 | VIad | maybe a survival hunter with trap can work |
| 13:52.02 | VIad | since trap activates ASAP server side |
| 13:52.06 | VIad | just gotta place it on the spot |
| 13:52.57 | VIad | I wonder if I can make a counter in weakauras |
| 13:53.02 | VIad | like each time a spellcast happens, count +1 |
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| 13:53.12 | Ammako | i find it funny they want to 'encourage' people to try out other specs by making world quest rewards not adhere to loot spec |
| 13:53.18 | VIad | using the default options, not scripting it in my own functions |
| 13:53.20 | Ammako | but everything else in the expansion strongly discourages re-speccing |
| 13:53.30 | VIad | mainly artifact weapons, Ammako |
| 13:53.35 | Semlar | i can't see any reason to play another spec at any point |
| 13:53.44 | Semlar | as a hunter |
| 13:53.54 | VIad | if you want to tank, heal, dps, if you have the trees for it |
| 13:53.57 | Semlar | my other specs might be better at different things, but i can't take advantage of it |
| 13:53.58 | VIad | as hunter sure :p |
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| 13:54.06 | Ammako | i have other hunters for the other specs |
| 13:54.06 | Semlar | because they're always going to be worse |
| 13:54.09 | VIad | had a survival hunter the other day :d |
| 13:54.13 | Ammako | but my bm gun is higher ilv than my bow now |
| 13:54.46 | Ammako | that sure is goign to encourage me to drop mm to start putting ap in bm |
| 13:54.54 | Semlar | did you kick him from the group |
| 13:55.23 | Semlar | just find better relics |
| 13:56.04 | Ammako | didnt even do the quests to get the other two artifacts on my rogue but I still get relics for it from WQs *shrug* |
| 13:56.10 | Semlar | i guess if you really wanted to you could get your offspec weapon within a couple levels of your main weapon |
| 13:56.39 | Semlar | but to me it would just feel like i wasted that AP |
| 13:57.00 | Ammako | as dps it does, if you do it to another dps spec |
| 13:57.12 | Ammako | worth it for tank/heal + dps but otherwise meh |
| 13:57.31 | Semlar | also since i have a legendary for one spec that strongly discourages me from playing another spec |
| 13:57.50 | Ammako | i like MM more anyway, and i already have two other hunters for plpaying the other 2 specs later anyway |
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| 13:58.20 | Semlar | i feel like playing BM makes me worse at the game |
| 13:58.59 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 13:59.01 | Semlar | there's no movement penalty and there's no planning anything out like there is for MM |
| 13:59.12 | Stanzilla | BM is the braindead spec |
| 13:59.18 | Semlar | you just mash dire beast and kill command |
| 13:59.47 | Semlar | and multishot to keep up beast cleave because that's the only reason to play the spec |
| 13:59.52 | Stanzilla | like dps DH |
| 14:00.12 | Stanzilla | there is litterally nothing to pay attention to |
| 14:00.13 | Ammako | i dont like sidewinders, but piercing shot is fun |
| 14:00.34 | Semlar | the hunter guide insists that BM is better for mythics but i'm not convinced it's worth putting points into if it's your offspec |
| 14:00.40 | Shockah|Work | Stanzilla, there is, not using Dire Beast when close to Bestial Wrath |
| 14:00.42 | Shockah|Work | :S |
| 14:01.20 | Stanzilla | uh oh |
| 14:02.12 | Semlar | i could probably /castrandom an acceptable rotation for beast mastery |
| 14:02.19 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 14:02.23 | Tentacled | Interesting. Noob tutorial for Grouping has 2 pages. First has some content and a Next button active. The next page is blank. |
| 14:02.59 | Ammako | haha |
| 14:13.07 | mckenziemc | well they did call it Noob instead of Newb |
| 14:13.39 | VIad | Semlar: how the F does your gnomesequencer work? |
| 14:13.54 | VIad | I guess I gotta edit a lua file right? |
| 14:13.59 | VIad | just since you mentioned sequences :p |
| 14:14.11 | mckenziemc | enumerating gnomes |
| 14:14.12 | Semlar | nah you just download gnomesequencer enhanced or whatever |
| 14:14.24 | VIad | I tried it, it was shit |
| 14:14.31 | VIad | once I made a macro I was unable to edit it :p |
| 14:14.36 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 14:15.16 | Semlar | there's a bunch of tutorial videos on youtube for my addon so that's how i know i didn't do a great job designing it or explaining how to use it |
| 14:15.40 | VIad | I reminds me of a 2005 Semlar :p |
| 14:15.49 | Semlar | but i also didn't want to make it any easier to use |
| 14:16.21 | Semlar | because people were just using it to basically play the game for them |
| 14:17.59 | VIad | well to be fair not many classes have rotations where you can just spam stuff :p |
| 14:18.05 | VIad | even in a prioritized order that is |
| 14:18.20 | Semlar | well not everyone can be a bm hunter |
| 14:18.45 | Semlar | i think they really went overboard on pruning though |
| 14:18.58 | VIad | BM maybe yeah :D |
| 14:19.12 | VIad | it's like spam dire beast and kill command right? |
| 14:19.20 | VIad | can probably make 1 button for 4 abilities :p |
| 14:19.32 | Semlar | pvp is a lot less interesting when people can't really do anything very unpredictable |
| 14:19.42 | Ammako | mm is so fun at least |
| 14:19.46 | Ammako | tome |
| 14:20.11 | Ammako | i was bm in wod and i liked it, sucked that they made it so bad in legion but at least i had mm to fall back on. |
| 14:20.22 | Semlar | you have to do a little planning when you're playing as MM at least |
| 14:20.33 | Semlar | and position yourself |
| 14:21.04 | Semlar | and still end up pulling a bird from somewhere |
| 14:21.24 | Ammako | if you use barrage |
| 14:21.37 | Semlar | even if you don't use barrage, sidewinders is going to find something to pull |
| 14:21.43 | Ammako | i dont use sidewinders :p |
| 14:22.07 | VIad | you should try the gnomeregan boss |
| 14:22.10 | VIad | it's fun :p |
| 14:22.27 | Semlar | what do you mean you don't use sidewinders |
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| 14:22.55 | Ammako | i dont pick that talent |
| 14:23.25 | Semlar | just like barrage is the only talent in the level 90 tier, sidewinders is the only talent in the level 100 tier |
| 14:23.41 | Semlar | i don't even know what the other talents do |
| 14:23.48 | Semlar | i just know that they aren't sidewinders |
| 14:23.52 | Ammako | haha |
| 14:24.21 | Semlar | alright that's not fair, i've actually been using volley a lot |
| 14:24.47 | mckenziemc | do they pull birds from somewhere? |
| 14:25.01 | Ammako | i find volley to be more fun even though its passive tbh |
| 14:25.29 | Semlar | i've found volley doesn't cause me to immediately become the target of everyone in pvp like barrage does |
| 14:25.40 | Semlar | but still lets me aoe down their entire team |
| 14:26.23 | Semlar | it is seriously fun when the other team is all stacked on top of each other enough that i can cleave down everyone at once |
| 14:27.16 | Semlar | and they don't seem to notice unless i'm using barrage |
| 14:27.54 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.06 | Semlar | these numbers could really use some formatting |
| 14:29.45 | mckenziemc | pulls Semlar's body down into a ditch. |
| 14:29.54 | Semlar | rude |
| 14:34.32 | Freddie_ | I'm playing BM and it sure feels like they forgot to add half the spec |
| 14:34.44 | Stanzilla | just remove half your brain |
| 14:35.23 | Freddie_ | so play like a full time hunter? gotcha |
| 14:35.26 | znf | translation: be a hunter |
| 14:35.27 | znf | yes |
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| 14:50.54 | Ammako | at least hunters get accepted in groups |
| 14:51.12 | Semlar | maybe |
| 14:51.29 | Semlar | it's one of the most played classes |
| 14:51.48 | Semlar | and there are a lot of bad hunters out there |
| 14:53.01 | Stanzilla | that is true for every class though |
| 14:54.39 | Ammako | so convenient that the legion class hall mission guide on wowhead only has a detailed quests list for one class out of all of them, and it happens to be the one i care about |
| 14:55.56 | Stanzilla | "accept quest" |
| 14:55.58 | Stanzilla | "do quest" |
| 14:56.01 | Stanzilla | "hand in quest" |
| 14:56.42 | Ammako | yeah but i wanted to know where i was in the quest line in relation to the 30 WQ quests |
| 14:56.54 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
| 14:57.00 | Ammako | to have an idea of what i have left to do until then, and what kind of stuff i would have to do |
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| 15:10.13 | _Kee | "tried to call the protected function 'UseItemByName()'." my archeology addon stopped working after last patch, they changed something already? |
| 15:10.48 | _Kee | I mean, archeology addon I am using, not time, told bad |
| 15:13.24 | mckenziemc | no comprendo |
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| 16:05.00 | fewyn | man the temp bottomed out here in ohio |
| 16:05.06 | fewyn | 48 degrees right now |
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| 16:41.37 | znf | Something's happening to the DNS around the globe |
| 16:42.25 | znf | namecheap.com is not working for me |
| 16:42.30 | znf | api.imgur.com is not working either |
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| 16:43.02 | dolby | https://www.dynstatus.com/incidents/nlr4yrr162t8 |
| 16:44.25 | znf | Ag, |
| 16:44.27 | znf | Ah. |
| 16:44.29 | znf | That makes sense |
| 16:48.08 | znf | Hmmm |
| 16:48.11 | znf | I don't know where to use http://i.imgur.com/M9ONETg.png |
| 16:48.50 | znf | Most of my champions have a Holy Figurine (+10% when accompanied by the lesser minions, and 20% on longer than 8 hours missions) |
| 16:49.02 | znf | 3 of them have the same combo |
| 16:59.53 | znf | At this point, I wonder if the Legion Companion App is running a bitcoin miner in the background, judging by how much it overheats my phone and drains my battery |
| 17:07.14 | Shockah | znf, Unity |
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| 17:11.03 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 17:11.11 | Seerah | hihi |
| 17:21.13 | Gnarfoz | Shockah: why do people think that's a valid explanation |
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| 17:22.46 | Shockah | because all Unity apps/games i ever installed on my phone worked like this |
| 17:23.29 | Gnarfoz | by "this" you mean terrible? |
| 17:23.34 | Shockah | yes |
| 17:23.38 | Gnarfoz | Hearthstone is also done in Unity and it doesn't do this |
| 17:23.43 | Shockah | oh yes it does |
| 17:24.11 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 17:24.18 | Shockah | well it does for me |
| 17:24.28 | Shockah | so what can i tell you |
| 17:24.47 | Gnarfoz | it's still not an explanation, there's tons of games using it, if all of them did this, nobody would use this shitty engine |
| 17:25.03 | Gnarfoz | if it was an inherent drawback, then they picked the wrong tool for the job |
| 17:25.09 | Gnarfoz | they're also deaf to the complaints |
| 17:25.16 | Gnarfoz | it's just infuriating :P |
| 17:27.44 | Gnarfoz | they went to the lengths of (from what I've been told) creating a game client using the "real" wow protocol, yet they use it for shit all, most importantly: still no chat. why not just have some API endpoints the app can talk to? and on the other side of things, it's entirely 2D, with the extent of animation being panning/zooming the map, and the animated "mission failed"/"success" text things. what is it even spending its CPU & GPU time on? |
| 17:34.03 | p3lim | uhhhhhh every damn site I want to go to right now is down |
| 17:34.18 | p3lim | Yes I'm aware of the outage |
| 17:35.57 | p3lim | Ah, webarchive was not affected :D |
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| 17:41.44 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 17:41.55 | Unkle | Hey Fisker. |
| 17:50.17 | znf | my face when I click "Save" on a document I worked in the last 20 minutes and the program crashes when I click save... |
| 17:51.49 | Unkle | Is it the face of pure rage? |
| 17:52.38 | znf | pretty much |
| 17:53.04 | Unkle | well, *solidarity fistbump* |
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| 18:03.47 | Gnarfoz | I found a box of those save icons in a cabinet once! |
| 18:04.34 | Gnarfoz | queueing as tank while tank CTA is up... been queued for 3 minutes? oO |
| 18:04.46 | Gnarfoz | is tonight dungeon boycott night? |
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| 18:08.46 | Gnarfoz | took 6 minutes, that's really odd/rare :p |
| 18:10.54 | nevcairiel | possibly healer missing |
| 18:17.43 | znf | Facebook is being an asshole, again. |
| 18:18.04 | znf | I think facebook alone is reponsible for 99% of the digital data degradation |
| 18:18.43 | znf | You upload a PNG (pages can upload PNGs and retain quality), on the PC you see the PNG, on mobile you are served JPG |
| 18:18.48 | znf | At a incredibly shitty quality |
| 18:24.03 | Unkle | Mobile is a whole mess of bandwidth issues. |
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| 18:24.08 | znf | Made this: https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14639594_566637460203434_6236933821073932435_n.png?oh=bfc36add6960075572899b0c04569dc1&oe=58AD71C2 |
| 18:24.13 | znf | into this: https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14639594_566637460203434_6236933821073932435_n.png.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=96dd9b6733cd961ae5d6e44129c67c03&oe=58A6F767 |
| 18:25.11 | Ammako | needs more jpeg |
| 18:26.26 | znf | ~17kb reduction |
| 18:27.03 | modernist | ENHANCE |
| 18:27.17 | Unkle | ZOOM and ENHANCE |
| 18:27.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: shouldn't healer CTA have been active, then? ^^ |
| 18:27.31 | modernist | echoing the fact that its a shit night for LFD |
| 18:27.41 | nevcairiel | who knows what really triggers it |
| 18:27.44 | modernist | we've been waiting for a tank for +7 for ~10 minutes |
| 18:27.46 | nevcairiel | 6 minutes isnt exactly long |
| 18:27.59 | Gnarfoz | just curious when tank CTA is active that it then takes 6 minutes ^^ |
| 18:28.06 | nevcairiel | m+ is manual group building =p |
| 18:28.19 | znf | Gnarfoz, what are the differences between Xeon E7 and X5? |
| 18:28.25 | modernist | usually we get tanks quickly though! |
| 18:28.31 | Gnarfoz | znf: quad and eight socket for e7 |
| 18:28.33 | nevcairiel | 7 is for more cpus |
| 18:28.39 | Gnarfoz | e5 only goes to dual socket |
| 18:28.39 | nevcairiel | 5 is only dual |
| 18:28.50 | znf | Cool |
| 18:28.50 | nevcairiel | also probably a couple thousand euros |
| 18:28.50 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:28.54 | Gnarfoz | that, too |
| 18:29.01 | Gnarfoz | e7-8xxx is $$$$ |
| 18:29.01 | znf | I was only finding performance reviews |
| 18:29.46 | Unkle | Blizzard hired a rhesus monkey to sit in the NOC and hit buttons randomly activating CTA. He works for grapes, so he was a nice, cheap interim solution. Sadly, he bites, so no one has wanted to dismantle the interim system despite having written a more elegant, algorithmic solution. |
| 18:30.16 | nevcairiel | if it would be random, you would see silly dps cta more often :p |
| 18:30.30 | Unkle | There's only two buttons in the system. |
| 18:30.31 | Gnarfoz | "Starting with Westmere-EX, the naming scheme has changed once again, with "E7-xxxx" now signifying the high-end line of Xeon processors using a package that supports larger than two-CPU configurations, formerly the 7xxx series. Similarly, the 3xxx uniprocessor and 5xxx dual-processor series turned into E3-xxxx and E5-xxxx, respectively, for later processors." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon |
| 18:30.57 | znf | $newBoss asked me to tell him what hardware I want |
| 18:31.25 | Unkle | Did you ask for a HAL-9000? |
| 18:31.50 | znf | How much memory do I want, at least? 96GB? |
| 18:32.02 | znf | or should I just ask for at least 128GB |
| 18:32.42 | g0urra | so Bloodlust is level 50 and Time Warp is level 80 in the PTR.. makes no damn sense |
| 18:33.04 | nevcairiel | who cares about low level |
| 18:33.36 | znf | Gnarfoz, if you had to raid SSD, what would you do, for VMs? |
| 18:33.40 | znf | 3x480GB minimum? |
| 18:33.53 | znf | (Considering you will most likely offer 20GB/VM) |
| 18:33.56 | znf | in RAID1 |
| 18:34.18 | Gnarfoz | znf: of course, you should ask him for a nice https://www.oracle.com/engineered-systems/supercluster/supercluster-m7/index.html :D |
| 18:34.38 | znf | did they forget the || on the S ? |
| 18:35.11 | Gnarfoz | it's quite probably worth its price ^^ |
| 18:35.41 | znf | that probably cost my salary for 5 years |
| 18:35.47 | Gnarfoz | anyway, no idea what you're planning to do, but those RAM numbers are tiny. RAM is cheap and huge these days. if it makes sense, go for 512 :D |
| 18:36.10 | znf | We just need to make a new public cloud |
| 18:36.16 | znf | To offer VPS for clients |
| 18:36.32 | znf | And I presume that most clients will opt in for the cheap 1GB/20GB storage |
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| 18:38.50 | Gnarfoz | well, you'll have to figure out how much RAM you need per server; no idea about RAID with SSDs. I'm convinced you shouldn't do that with consumer SSDs at least. don't know if things improved on that front |
| 18:42.21 | znf | mdadm supports trim these days tough |
| 18:42.25 | znf | or I read about that |
| 18:42.43 | znf | also there are lots of enterprise SSDs (that are not necesarly NVMe or whatever)_ |
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| 18:47.58 | Ammako | why is kick protection still a thing lol |
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| 19:12.07 | d[karl]b | holy shit that ad was amazing |
| 19:12.22 | d[karl]b | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ27zeLu_YM |
| 19:12.55 | d[karl]b | although knowing the title of the video kind of spoils the epic reveal :P |
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| 19:44.54 | g0urra | oh wow, twitter is still down |
| 19:47.27 | Gnarfoz | works here |
| 19:51.32 | Ammako | not just you |
| 19:54.59 | modernist | i wonder how many texts im gonna get from confusd relatives this evening |
| 19:55.05 | modernist | current count: 5 |
| 19:55.21 | modernist | "i think i broke my computer??" |
| 19:55.43 | modernist | "has my facebook been hacked?" |
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| 20:21.13 | Andols | Anyone that know what is wrong btw? |
| 20:21.27 | kd3 | with the internet? Dyn (a DNS provider) got DDoSed |
| 20:23.50 | Gnarfoz | not sure how that would affect a) /that/ set of sites and b) not affect everyone equally |
| 20:23.56 | Gnarfoz | can't really be the whole story |
| 20:24.54 | kd3 | tabs open nanog |
| 20:26.14 | Stanzilla | it is the whole story though |
| 20:26.22 | Andols | I guess things can escalate |
| 20:27.33 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: http://e.lvme.me/3risbcx.jpg |
| 20:28.00 | kd3 | in other news... sure looks like mars claimed another one |
| 20:28.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 20:28.08 | Gnarfoz | nom nom |
| 20:28.08 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:28.15 | Andols | Hmm, is things working now again |
| 20:28.46 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I mean that's all they said about it |
| 20:28.47 | Ressy | Hate CNN's website. |
| 20:28.59 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: oh, well |
| 20:29.02 | Ressy | Fucking auto-play videos. Trying to pause them, it brings you to a page for the video. |
| 20:29.04 | Gnarfoz | that's true of course ^^ |
| 20:29.05 | kd3 | yah, the nanog thread doesn't suggest anything otherwise |
| 20:29.23 | Gnarfoz | netflix doesn't even use Dyn :shrug: |
| 20:29.30 | Gnarfoz | so weird :D |
| 20:29.32 | Andols | I think things are working again |
| 20:29.34 | Andols | Atleast for me |
| 20:30.01 | Ressy | Finally back |
| 20:31.16 | Andols | Stanzilla: You are in North america right? |
| 20:31.27 | Stanzilla | Andols: western europe |
| 20:31.34 | Stanzilla | close enough |
| 20:32.10 | Andols | oh, irc is saying you are connecting to a canadian server :P |
| 20:32.17 | Ammako | https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/788515299460993024 neat |
| 20:32.52 | Ammako | i knew i did the right thing procrastinating on that one |
| 20:32.57 | Andols | :D |
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| 20:34.51 | foxlit | Ammako: otoh, I got the sandstone drake from that grind. |
| 20:35.09 | Stanzilla | I have no idea where the server my bouncer is on is located :D |
| 20:35.36 | Stanzilla | and why it connects to the canadian server of freenode |
| 20:35.37 | Ressy | Damn man.. I only got 2 of those silly jewels so far. |
| 20:35.39 | Stanzilla | maybe that is random |
| 20:36.01 | Stanzilla | I tried that quest before the hotfix |
| 20:36.04 | Stanzilla | gave up after 10 |
| 20:36.17 | Stanzilla | after it took me ~another 15 to finish |
| 20:36.27 | Stanzilla | oh i was at 0/6 after the first 10, forgot to mention that |
| 20:38.58 | Ressy | Canadian Server Andols? You sure about that? |
| 20:40.09 | Andols | from /whois [22:39] Stanzilla using karatkievich.freenode.net CA, NA |
| 20:41.09 | Ressy | Thats run by Tata Communications. |
| 20:41.54 | nevcairiel | so, canadian :D |
| 20:42.06 | Ressy | < Canadian |
| 20:43.36 | Ressy | Odd |
| 20:43.58 | nevcairiel | says the server is in montreal |
| 20:44.12 | Ressy | I thought they only did peering/transit to the US here in Canada |
| 20:46.56 | Andols | Is my feeling correct that everyone here that is talking atm is from other places than the US? |
| 20:47.02 | p3lim | ls-: how goes the merging of the elements by the way |
| 20:47.56 | ls- | as smooth as coffee goes down my throat :p |
| 20:48.02 | p3lim | :p |
| 20:48.05 | ls- | it does not, and I'm almost puking... |
| 20:48.07 | ls- | lol |
| 20:48.13 | Ressy | < Toronto, Canada |
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| 20:48.32 | Ammako | canada is nice |
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| 20:49.35 | ls- | p3lim: I've been working on my UI quite a lot lately T_T I was planning to release a 3.14 update, but instead i rewrote like 40% of UI code, lol... |
| 20:49.45 | p3lim | :D |
| 20:50.07 | p3lim | "let's just fix this one teeeensy little bug and.. OH MY GOD MY FACE WHAT HAPPENED TO MY FACE!?!" |
| 20:50.32 | ls- | so I'll have to release it as 4.00 T_T |
| 20:50.39 | Ammako | pie |
| 20:50.43 | ls- | or 4.01, cuz I don't like 00s |
| 20:50.48 | p3lim | .. |
| 20:51.25 | p3lim | yeah you definitely don't get a say in oUF's versioning :p |
| 20:51.31 | ls- | I mean, I rewrote UI engine and a lot of surrounding stuff entirely... |
| 20:51.59 | ls- | so it IS a major update :p |
| 20:52.05 | ls- | like literally... |
| 20:52.29 | ls- | ikr, I was just messing w/ you guys there T_T |
| 20:52.58 | zenzelezz | the one thing I don't like about Captain Morgan is how after two glasses, you feel the need to get a glass of water before carrying on |
| 20:53.49 | ls- | p3lim: btw, convert to semver, BUT release it as 2.0.0 :D |
| 20:55.04 | ls- | I almost posted it there, lol... |
| 20:55.31 | ls- | but decided that there's enough bs for today... T_T |
| 20:55.56 | zenzelezz | but it's only 22:58, there's still 62 minutes left of BS |
| 20:56.01 | zenzelezz | or more, if you're some weird timezone |
| 20:56.18 | ls- | 3:56am atm :p |
| 20:56.44 | zenzelezz | five hours... that must be middle-east-ish or something? |
| 20:56.56 | nevcairiel | far east |
| 20:56.57 | Ammako | you're a weird timezone |
| 20:57.06 | ls- | it's SEA :p |
| 20:57.11 | ls- | south east asia :p |
| 20:58.04 | zenzelezz | can't be *that* "far"... my Australian friends are always +8/10, depending on DST |
| 20:59.13 | ls- | I mean, it's October 22 here... |
| 20:59.22 | zenzelezz | I understood that much |
| 20:59.28 | zenzelezz | (+ from me, not from UTC) |
| 20:59.45 | ls- | just wanted to make things clear :D |
| 20:59.50 | ls- | jic, you know... |
| 21:00.19 | zenzelezz | I understand, but I'd hope most people who use 24-hour times understand what 3:58 means ;) |
| 21:01.28 | ls- | heh... |
| 21:01.32 | ls- | I also mention AM to avoid any kind of confusion :p |
| 21:02.06 | nevcairiel | eastern australia is quite a bit further out then mainland asia |
| 21:02.09 | nevcairiel | its on japanese level |
| 21:02.26 | Ammako | 24h clock is the superior clock |
| 21:03.37 | ls- | haste: are you a web dev? :p |
| 21:06.51 | zenzelezz | if you're a programmer, web or otherwise, date/time sucks, no matter which system |
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| 21:25.30 | modernist | oh whoa, bnet client has hyperlinks finally |
| 21:27.14 | Ammako | i just wish we could disable text formatting |
| 21:27.24 | Ammako | so that *this* doesnt become italics |
| 21:27.47 | haste | ls-: yes and no :P |
| 21:28.08 | kullervo | modernist: the beta had that for many months |
| 21:29.14 | Ammako | well yeah, of course beta has features long before live does |
| 21:33.07 | Tentacled | Ammako: it's just your Hexchat that does that... my irssi does no italics antics. |
| 21:33.21 | Ammako | im not talking about my irc client :p |
| 21:33.33 | Tentacled | What then, pray tell? |
| 21:34.18 | Tentacled | What else, outside of Skype and some weird chat clients, italics asterisks? |
| 21:34.37 | Ammako | <modernist> oh whoa, bnet client has hyperlinks finally |
| 21:35.05 | kullervo | Tentacled: you're many versions behind then |
| 21:35.16 | kullervo | Tentacled: irssi actually has true color and full formatting support now |
| 21:35.27 | Tentacled | Maybe windows versions. :P |
| 21:35.35 | Tentacled | Or some other GUI-based anyway. |
| 21:35.38 | kullervo | no, the actual version |
| 21:35.45 | kullervo | seriously update your shit it's a security risk |
| 21:35.57 | kullervo | Irssi 0.8.21-g8d4d313 (20160926) - http://www.irssi.org |
| 21:36.15 | Tentacled | I'd like to see my console irssi do truecolor :> |
| 21:36.26 | kullervo | your version's like... ten years old |
| 21:36.51 | Tentacled | Shhhh... don't listen to the bad person, my lovely... |
| 21:37.11 | Tentacled | hugs his ancient client. |
| 21:37.49 | Ammako | haha |
| 22:04.27 | znf | https://www.soyoustart.com/ie/power8/ |
| 22:04.30 | znf | these guys offer Power8 :o |
| 22:05.51 | nevcairiel | and why would you want power8 |
| 22:06.04 | nevcairiel | power ppc is dead, dont let ibm tell you otherwise |
| 22:06.04 | znf | I have no idea! |
| 22:06.15 | znf | Power8 is nice for some workloads, tough |
| 22:08.19 | nevcairiel | why, because the ibm page claims so? :D |
| 22:10.23 | znf | MariaDB and MongoDB have special versions for Power8 |
| 22:11.10 | nevcairiel | probably because they need them because they otherwise dont work on there :p |
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| 22:11.23 | nevcairiel | its not that special, really |
| 22:11.46 | nevcairiel | has slightly more cores then your usual server, but you could build an x86 with that, would probably just cost much more |
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| 22:13.19 | znf | that 8t/core sounds so atypical |
| 22:13.36 | znf | wish I knew more about CPU design to figure out how that works out |
| 22:13.46 | Semlar | i just had my addon print twice in response to an event even though it's unregistering that event in response to it |
| 22:13.49 | nevcairiel | the real question is how muhc performance do the individual threads really get |
| 22:14.33 | nevcairiel | but its server hardware, hard to find proper tests of such stuff |
| 22:15.47 | nevcairiel | Semlar: there is some cases when modifying the event handlers from withing an event can cause the modification to be delayed or sometimes even ignored, i forgot the exact rules |
| 22:16.05 | nevcairiel | but when you try to register for ADDON_LOADED from within ADDON_LOADED, it sometimes bugs out, its really annoying |
| 22:16.27 | Semlar | the event shouldn't even be FIRING twice, but i think i ran into this before with another project |
| 22:16.50 | Semlar | i'll probably have to add an additional check for this |
| 22:17.22 | Semlar | i'm watching SHIPMENT_CRAFTER_CLOSED to output what work orders you placed after you end interaction with nomi |
| 22:17.34 | Semlar | i'm unregistering that event when it fires and printing to the chat |
| 22:17.53 | Semlar | i've only ever seen this output twice once, but i don't know why it did that |
| 22:17.59 | znf | wonder what SoYouStart uses for their server provisioning |
| 22:18.15 | znf | I'm assuming something similar to Ubuntu MaaS |
| 22:18.35 | Semlar | i only register the event on SHIPMENT_CRAFTER_OPENED |
| 22:19.05 | Semlar | so it's unlikely that it fired that, reregistered the event, and then fired the SHIPMENT_CRAFTER_CLOSED again |
| 22:28.31 | Semlar | i might just change it to output when you place the orders anyway, it would be more responsive |
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| 23:22.19 | ivansosajigga | could anyone tell me where i could read more about WORLDMAP_COSMIC_ID ?? Seems like its a global val of some sort? Is there a central docs repository on these things? |
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| 23:24.26 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know anything about it but it sounds pretty silver age marvel |
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| 23:39.21 | znf | https://gfycat.com/SilkyTenseIchthyosaurs lol |
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| 23:41.31 | Gnarfoz | ivansosajigga: it's the lowest world map zoom level, where you can see outland, draenor and azeroth |
| 23:42.22 | ivansosajigga | @Gnarfoz what's the suggested method of dumping these values , viewing them easily, would that be in game? |
| 23:42.29 | Gnarfoz | no idea. |
| 23:42.39 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 23:42.40 | Gnarfoz | ~framexml |
| 23:42.41 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 23:42.47 | Gnarfoz | in there somewhere. |
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| 23:43.17 | Gnarfoz | or look at HereBeDragons, it probably covers everything relevant |
| 23:43.21 | ivansosajigga | So i've got the FrameXML source, but it doesnt show where WORLDMAP_COSMIC_ID is updated, just that it's instantiated with a value of -1 in WorldMapFrame.lua |
| 23:44.17 | Gnarfoz | why would it be updated |
| 23:45.11 | Gnarfoz | looks like just another "constant" to me |
| 23:45.26 | Gnarfoz | (you could probably just overwrite it, but that's probably not a great idea :P) |
| 23:46.13 | ivansosajigga | is there a list of constants like WORLDMAP_COSMIC_ID i can refer to ? |
| 23:46.24 | Gnarfoz | the other ones are right below it? |
| 23:47.07 | Gnarfoz | and since there is no official documentation available, the code is probably your best bet, if wowpedia doesn't have anything |
| 23:54.59 | Semlar | did somebody mention maps |
