| 00:03.03 | Ammako | went the same way varian did apparently |
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| 00:37.27 | znf | FINALLY |
| 00:37.28 | znf | god curve |
| 00:37.30 | znf | 2-shot in a pug |
| 00:47.08 | Ammako | http://pastebin.com/sUQrDwKt |
| 00:47.13 | Ammako | o wrong place |
| 00:47.15 | Ammako | oh well |
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| 01:18.03 | Ssateneth | So I'm looking at the addon idtip which adds IDs to the thing's tooltip (NPC ID, quest ID, item ID, etc) |
| 01:18.16 | Ssateneth | I'm seeing behaviors for each kind of thing it can add IDs to |
| 01:18.26 | Ammako | lol karl |
| 01:18.42 | Ssateneth | But what about objects out in the world? Like minerals, herbs, quest objects, etc |
| 01:19.02 | Ssateneth | Like for units, you can do stuff with the tooltip by doing stuff with OnTooltipSetUnit(self) |
| 01:19.10 | Ssateneth | Is there one for objects? |
| 01:29.10 | Semlar | no |
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| 02:15.19 | mckenziemc | your tooltips should always be set to Semlar |
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| 03:03.18 | znf | I was 2k XP away from 110 |
| 03:03.23 | znf | And my Internet went down |
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| 03:17.41 | znf | I was having a discussion with someone last week about M+ dungeons contribuiting to weekly chest: http://i.imgur.com/1fp8xJF.png |
| 03:20.05 | mckenziemc | znf |
| 03:20.11 | mckenziemc | did you cause http://www.darklegacycomics.com/545 ? |
| 03:26.02 | Corrodias | yikes, dark legacy's style sure has changed... |
| 03:26.44 | znf | y |
| 03:27.48 | Thunder_Child | Stop being lazy znf. |
| 03:28.40 | znf | n |
| 03:28.49 | Thunder_Child | I hate ypu. |
| 03:30.17 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/r3Po5UT.png |
| 03:30.18 | znf | wtf |
| 03:30.21 | znf | my druid got the raid mission |
| 03:30.32 | znf | and all my followers are <=800 iLvl |
| 03:30.54 | mckenziemc | Thunder_Child: you mean from http://www.darklegacycomics.com/1 ? |
| 03:31.22 | kd3 | the raid missions show up to say 'hey, get your follower ilvl up' |
| 03:31.43 | Thunder_Child | mckenziemc: I don't get the connection. |
| 03:32.23 | znf | kd3, on my priest I had all my followers upgraded.... |
| 03:32.26 | znf | and I barely got it this week |
| 03:32.37 | znf | while everyone else got it 2 weeks ago or something like that |
| 03:32.39 | mckenziemc | nvm Thunder_Child, meant Corrodias |
| 03:38.39 | Corrodias | not that far back, more like... |
| 03:39.04 | Corrodias | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/200 is how it was when i left off |
| 03:39.47 | Semlar | can you still see a hunter that's moving with camouflage active? |
| 03:40.18 | Semlar | it doesn't say anything about that in the tooltip any more |
| 03:43.16 | Ammako | pretty sure its permanent stealth now |
| 03:43.21 | Ammako | well, for 1m |
| 03:51.58 | Corrodias | permanently temporary |
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| 04:32.49 | Simca_ | Ssateneth: objects are massively restricted, most of their information is C-side only |
| 04:54.28 | Simca_ | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749494846?page=4#post-64 this is really concerning |
| 04:59.53 | relaxok | yep |
| 05:00.00 | relaxok | anger brewing |
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| 05:03.50 | Simca_ | hopefully TheDanW will be here tomorrow and can confirm it's just a bug |
| 05:05.36 | nebula | rip tomtom |
| 05:08.22 | Simca_ | yeah there's no way that's intended |
| 05:08.28 | Simca_ | it breaks so many addons |
| 05:08.58 | Simca_ | you can take range radars from raiders and it may work |
| 05:09.10 | Simca_ | but take tomtom from casual gamers and they'll burn your house down |
| 05:09.33 | Corrodias | what's TomTom? i haven't played in a while |
| 05:09.44 | Simca_ | lol |
| 05:09.46 | relaxok | an ancient addon actually |
| 05:09.53 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 05:10.05 | Corrodias | i would say it sounds familiar, but that's a GPS brand name trademark, so |
| 05:10.09 | Corrodias | sounding familiar doesn't mean much |
| 05:10.18 | nebula | shows the arrow pointing at waypoints/pois |
| 05:10.49 | relaxok | i sort of cant believe WoW added showing you exactly on the map where everything is |
| 05:10.53 | Corrodias | that does sound vaguely familiar. i think i saw that, back in the day. |
| 05:10.59 | relaxok | that small thing took away most of the gameplay outside of instances |
| 05:11.36 | nebula | more like it took away tabing to wowhead every 2 min |
| 05:11.36 | relaxok | i believe the reasoning was "we didn't want people to feel like they had to look on wowhead or get addons to tell them where everything was" |
| 05:11.47 | Corrodias | i don't recall not knowing where to find things being an essential component of the experience, except mankrik's wife |
| 05:12.02 | relaxok | nebula, you could say that about literally everything in the entire game.. or any other game |
| 05:12.10 | relaxok | if being able to look on the internet to solve some part of it is a problem.. |
| 05:12.26 | relaxok | might as well just have a walkthrough pop up and tell you what to do the whole time |
| 05:12.46 | Simca_ | WoW is not an adventure game where quests are puzzles to solve, though |
| 05:13.16 | Corrodias | agreed; one could make the argument that it'd be more interesting that way, but i don't think it was ever designed to be. |
| 05:13.19 | relaxok | a lot of RPGs are much less illustrative as far as what you should be doing |
| 05:13.37 | relaxok | yeah you can look it up on websites |
| 05:13.37 | relaxok | but |
| 05:13.56 | relaxok | i think they themselves feel they want too far in that direction though |
| 05:13.58 | kd3 | wow's internal quest-helper was added in... 3.2? 3.3? |
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| 05:14.04 | relaxok | yeah ages ago |
| 05:14.11 | Corrodias | the meat of WoW is consuming your time farming materials, traveling from point A to point B to do quests, and so on. |
| 05:14.28 | Corrodias | it's how all MMOs work |
| 05:14.39 | relaxok | anyway, now Suramar isn't completely laid out for you.. a lot of the storyline starts are just random ! you find like the old days |
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| 05:15.06 | relaxok | the revamp in Cataclysm was basically the opposite where it was entirely on rails like a theme park ride |
| 05:15.08 | Simca_ | i mean, how i did quests in vanilla WoW was: read quest text, go to most likely place to complete quest, look around, if couldn't find within 3-5 minutes, alt-tab to thottbot, look up quest, etc |
| 05:15.12 | Corrodias | i do recall the sunken temple being a tad convoluted to navigate. i learned the layout and would guide my parties. |
| 05:15.30 | Simca_ | yeah, good old sunken temple |
| 05:15.47 | relaxok | Simca_: regardless of that, i'm not sure the game telling you literally every step of everything to do is a better design |
| 05:15.48 | Corrodias | vertical structure with a 2d minimap situation |
| 05:16.45 | Corrodias | better design, maybe, maybe not, but how great would WoW be with FPS gameplay and fast cars? they're also design decisions people seem to love but not, i think, what WoW is intended to be. |
| 05:17.08 | relaxok | i dont know, i see them pulling back from it in small ways at least |
| 05:17.15 | kd3 | wow is whatever the designers say it is? |
| 05:17.31 | Corrodias | is that a question? |
| 05:17.41 | kd3 | not really |
| 05:17.46 | relaxok | kd3: except for all the stuff designers design that never gets to the game or gets overruled |
| 05:17.55 | relaxok | or people quit because they dont like the direction of the game |
| 05:17.57 | relaxok | etc |
| 05:18.31 | Corrodias | not really: what they say it is is mostly irrelevant; what they make it is 90% of what it is, and what the players make of it is another 10% probably. none of those involve big mysteries, though. |
| 05:19.35 | relaxok | i think it's very clear by obvious and subtle comments of late that they regret several key design decisions |
| 05:19.52 | kd3 | of course they do. they've straight up said they've gotten things wrong |
| 05:20.18 | kd3 | flight, for one |
| 05:20.29 | Corrodias | i don't suppose they ever said they regret letting people directly buy game items? |
| 05:20.43 | relaxok | too much QoL consideration, too few secrets, too much currency gear grinding, flying mounts, too much class homogenization |
| 05:20.59 | relaxok | all mostly being addressed somewhat in legion |
| 05:21.31 | Corrodias | sorry to hear they don't like the flying mounts, though. mildly reducing the tedium of travel, can't have that? |
| 05:21.48 | relaxok | has nothing to do with travel reduction and everything to do with trivializing content |
| 05:22.15 | relaxok | what's the point in making a path of elite mobs to a boss or something when you can drop in on top of them and skip everything |
| 05:22.39 | Corrodias | oh, so they opened up their use inside dungeons, i take it? |
| 05:22.51 | kd3 | no |
| 05:22.53 | relaxok | no i'm just talking about quest design |
| 05:23.05 | relaxok | it's just a completely different game with flying |
| 05:23.18 | Corrodias | okay... i don't get it. they didn't seem to have a problem designing areas in TBC. |
| 05:23.19 | relaxok | so now their general idea is open up flying after you've pretty much done everything |
| 05:23.33 | relaxok | in TBC you didn't fly until 70 though |
| 05:23.53 | Corrodias | that wasn't nearly "doing everything", mind |
| 05:24.09 | kd3 | the issue really came to the fore, for me, in mists. there were many daily quests that were trivialized by flight that were moderately difficult on foot |
| 05:24.44 | kd3 | or that gathering daily above halfhill where you hovered over a node and waited until the mobs pathed just far enough away to drop down and get it and fly away |
| 05:25.01 | Simca_ | lots of the TBC dailies had the same issue |
| 05:25.04 | Corrodias | the quest itself isn't interesting to begin with, but by adding some risk it's a bit less boring, eh. |
| 05:25.11 | relaxok | yes actually |
| 05:25.20 | relaxok | things that are incredibly easy can't be interesting at all |
| 05:25.20 | Simca_ | apexis stuff in particular |
| 05:25.25 | relaxok | ever |
| 05:25.39 | Corrodias | the MMO mindset in a nutshell |
| 05:26.11 | relaxok | anyway maybe they haven't gone as far as i would like in certain ways but i'm enjoying the direction of Legion |
| 05:26.43 | Corrodias | sorry. i shouldn't be critical. that's what the game is; that's what it's supposed to be. |
| 05:27.02 | Corrodias | i haven't thought about it in a while and am remembering my feelings on it. |
| 05:27.30 | relaxok | the problem with game design in general, when there's a large community already playing the game.. is the tendency to give people what they say they want.. |
| 05:27.35 | relaxok | but what people say they want is pretty immaterial |
| 05:27.37 | relaxok | IMO |
| 05:28.01 | relaxok | it has no relationship to what they'd really enjoy playing |
| 05:28.13 | relaxok | i mean it's been proven time and time again in experiments, but it's hard to tell that to beancounters |
| 05:28.38 | relaxok | you have to give people what they didn't know they wanted |
| 05:28.40 | Corrodias | sometimes, that is true. people often don't know what they want, even if they could articulate it. |
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| 05:35.01 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:36.29 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 05:51.36 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 06:11.34 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 06:13.51 | _Kee | o/ |
| 06:15.12 | _Kee | hai oh |
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| 06:17.01 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 06:17.13 | _Kee | o |
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| 06:40.23 | Semlar | what is it even searching |
| 06:44.03 | Semlar | is it guill's fault? |
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| 07:52.29 | VIad | "Pawn will no longer add orange diamonds to special effects that it doesn't understand on items. I felt that in modern versions of Pawn, those were just clutter, and didn't really provide useful information." |
| 07:53.24 | VIad | pawn might not be ideal to calculate things like passives/use items that do stuff, like legendaries, or other special passives from cos/arcway. the orange indicator helped notice when it didn't account for some stuff :p |
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| 08:01.42 | ls- | p3lim: I scrapped the concept of new element, there's a better and easier way to create something similar :D |
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| 08:44.38 | Constie | The potion that makes your insanity not drain for 10 minutes is pretty good. http://i.imgur.com/HQj63KM.jpg |
| 08:47.25 | VIad | gz on the warp resistant platings |
| 08:52.13 | Constie | I'm more excited about the haste and DoT damage. |
| 08:52.35 | Shockah|Work | imagine if it worked in raids :P |
| 08:53.10 | VIad | sounds like open world pvp is broken :p 5 shadow priest buddies dotting people with 5x touch gghf |
| 08:54.04 | ls- | VIad: sup, so PEW worked, right? :p |
| 08:54.06 | Constie | Well, the potion is a consumable that you have a chance of getting once per day if you pick the right class hall research. |
| 08:55.51 | VIad | yes ls- |
| 08:55.57 | VIad | but it sounds like a dirty fix :/ |
| 08:56.17 | VIad | makes no sense why you'd have to unregister again, when no code is registering post anyway :/ |
| 08:56.35 | ls- | well, nuking AlertFrame toasts via hooksecurefunc would be even dirtier :p |
| 08:56.49 | VIad | hmm. should try that and see what calls it |
| 08:57.00 | ls- | but something somewhere somehow re-registers it :p |
| 08:58.35 | VIad | hooksecurefunc(AlertFrame, "RegisterEvent", function() print(debugstack()) end) |
| 08:58.43 | ls- | try hooksecurefunc(AlertFrame, "RegisterEvent", function(_, event) print(event, debugstack(2, 2, 0)) end) |
| 08:58.45 | ls- | yeah, lol |
| 08:59.06 | VIad | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 08:59.39 | VIad | and see what register what event :/ |
| 08:59.54 | VIad | I wonder if it is C side, will it buypass this hook? |
| 09:00.01 | VIad | if C calls RegisterEvent method |
| 09:00.12 | VIad | in that case the dialog would popup without a message I guess |
| 09:01.20 | ls- | well, I've NEVER experienced this issue, even w/o PEW trick... so you'll be the one to test it :p |
| 09:04.49 | ls- | another one is modernist... |
| 09:04.53 | ls- | but he's offline atm |
| 09:05.10 | VIad | I too have experienced weirdness in addon behavior in some of my users reporting some errors I don't get or can reproduce |
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| 09:11.51 | ls- | oh, modernist is here :p |
| 09:12.00 | modernist | hello, whats up |
| 09:12.07 | ls- | did PEW trick work for you? talking about toasts now... |
| 09:12.50 | ls- | if it did, could you please remove it, and add "hooksecurefunc(AlertFrame, "RegisterEvent", function(_, event) print(event, debugstack(2, 2, 0)) end)" instead.. |
| 09:13.00 | modernist | i didnt had any more duplicates until i rolled back whilst updating something on my ui |
| 09:13.14 | modernist | then had one this morning and reinserted |
| 09:13.26 | ls- | I wanna know what and where re-registers that shit T_T |
| 09:13.30 | modernist | noticed it seems to be after leaving a dungeon if that helps |
| 09:13.58 | modernist | added your debug hook |
| 09:14.20 | ls- | noice, ty <3 |
| 09:14.31 | ls- | but remove PEW thingy |
| 09:14.35 | modernist | yeah did |
| 09:15.42 | ls- | I added one too, but I've never ever experience this issue T_T and I chain-run dungs like crazy... |
| 09:16.24 | modernist | whilst im here: is there a common root cause for taint via the boss1targetframe? im assuming something with the minimap or buffs from the readout |
| 09:16.27 | modernist | https://gist.github.com/obble/0fe0988719d9bed2f01ddf39dcacfb15 |
| 09:16.59 | modernist | only seems to happen when the bossframe spawns |
| 09:17.26 | ls- | on a side note, modernist, I scrapped the idea of PowerGain/Loss element :p oUF will pass old/prev power value to power's PostUpdate instead :p |
| 09:17.48 | modernist | ah thats probably a better solution |
| 09:17.50 | ls- | and you'll be able to do some voodoo like this https://github.com/oUF-wow/oUF/pull/316#issuecomment-254137814 |
| 09:20.05 | modernist | is there a performance benefit to adding a _G lookup to createframe |
| 09:20.55 | ls- | that's my fetish... |
| 09:21.01 | haste | it makes you do a GETGLOBAL + a table lookup, instead of just a GETGLOBAL :P |
| 09:21.22 | nevcairiel | so its even worse! |
| 09:21.22 | ls- | performance gain is minuscule :p |
| 09:21.23 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:21.31 | ls- | nah, I cache _G's :D |
| 09:21.46 | haste | wonder if it still is a gain |
| 09:21.51 | nevcairiel | should just directly cache the functions you call isntead of making code ugly with _Gs |
| 09:21.51 | haste | seeing as you have to do a table lookup |
| 09:21.55 | ls- | like nanoseconds, lol |
| 09:22.12 | nevcairiel | if lua is any smart it should be about the same speed |
| 09:22.17 | foxlit | like imaginaryseconds. |
| 09:22.19 | nevcairiel | since getglobal is just a table lookup |
| 09:22.21 | ls- | caching shitton of functions is uglier than caching _G's :D |
| 09:22.29 | haste | lua doesn't optimize much |
| 09:23.16 | ls- | I do cache functions for OnUpdate's though... |
| 09:23.49 | ls- | I'm Oprah when it come to var caching :D |
| 09:27.03 | haste | doing upvalue _G.pairs vs pairs saves you 0.002421s on doing 1e8 calls |
| 09:27.10 | haste | had to verify |
| 09:27.52 | p3lim | costs a teensy bit of memory though |
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| 09:28.12 | p3lim | probably close to nonexistant, but it's there |
| 09:28.13 | foxlit | that's ~1/3 of a frame per 8 days of playtime. |
| 09:28.18 | p3lim | :D |
| 09:28.20 | foxlit | ignoreeeeeeeeee. |
| 09:28.56 | haste | doing local pairs saves you 0.88708s vs upvalue _G.pairs |
| 09:29.13 | nevcairiel | thats significantly more, in comparison |
| 09:29.21 | nevcairiel | still not noticeable probably |
| 09:29.28 | nevcairiel | but more! |
| 09:29.31 | haste | I'd say you loose more time messing with your auto-completion than you gain from doing it :P |
| 09:29.32 | p3lim | waits for foxlit's math |
| 09:29.51 | foxlit | lua> 0.88/0.002/3 |
| 09:29.59 | foxlit | 146 frames per 8 days of playtime. |
| 09:30.17 | ls- | doesn't care :p |
| 09:30.40 | nevcairiel | personally I just find the added _G. everywhere extremely ugly and that would be the last thing I ever use anywhere |
| 09:31.28 | haste | :thumbsup: |
| 09:31.43 | modernist | yeah, my question about it was mostly based onn aesthetic concerns |
| 09:31.54 | modernist | the code must be preeety |
| 09:31.55 | p3lim | nevcairiel: allows for easy syntax highlight though |
| 09:32.17 | nevcairiel | people have produced API listings for editors before |
| 09:32.19 | nevcairiel | its not magic :D |
| 09:32.25 | p3lim | sure |
| 09:32.45 | modernist | https://atom.io/packages/language-lua-wow |
| 09:32.48 | VIad | local floor = _G.math.floor -- not pretty but if you do it once when addon is loaded, dunno if it really matters :p |
| 09:32.50 | modernist | i think i use this |
| 09:33.05 | Shockah|Work | oh uh, right. is atom any good now? |
| 09:33.17 | haste | still slow, but getting better it seems |
| 09:33.22 | modernist | it seems to be crashing a bunch lately, but its okay |
| 09:33.23 | Shockah|Work | i'm currently backing up my laptop and wondering what editor to use |
| 09:33.24 | Shockah|Work | huh |
| 09:33.25 | nevcairiel | should really drop the _G there as well VIad |
| 09:33.28 | Shockah|Work | Sublime still then |
| 09:33.31 | Shockah|Work | since this laptop sucks |
| 09:33.46 | haste | people have a _G fetish nevcairiel |
| 09:33.56 | ls- | beauty is in the eye of the beholder :p |
| 09:33.59 | VIad | you talked about performance. all I am saying is it probably doesnt really matter if you do it at the start of the lua file :p |
| 09:34.08 | nevcairiel | i talked about it being ugly |
| 09:34.09 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:34.12 | VIad | sure :p |
| 09:34.12 | p3lim | Atom is extremely slow with large files |
| 09:34.21 | haste | define: large files |
| 09:34.22 | VIad | local floor = _G._G._G.math.floor |
| 09:34.29 | VIad | just to be sure |
| 09:34.32 | p3lim | 1MB+ |
| 09:34.35 | ls- | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 09:34.41 | nevcairiel | 1mb is quite large for code files |
| 09:34.46 | VIad | 1m code is large |
| 09:34.54 | p3lim | logs is a good example |
| 09:34.56 | VIad | unless you embed binary data in it :p |
| 09:35.04 | VIad | then its stupid |
| 09:35.10 | nevcairiel | many editors freak out when i try to open a 200mb+ combat log in them |
| 09:35.12 | ls- | why? |
| 09:35.14 | haste | 1MB is more than the react project I'm working on now |
| 09:35.22 | haste | and it has ~500 components :P |
| 09:35.24 | p3lim | and searching is slow as well |
| 09:35.36 | modernist | search is def slow |
| 09:35.47 | p3lim | the diff file between builds in wow-ui is large enough to slow Atom down |
| 09:35.51 | haste | that's a pretty hard deal breaker |
| 09:36.11 | modernist | i need to look at other editor options really |
| 09:36.17 | p3lim | using sublime myself, still astonished by the speed of that editor at times |
| 09:36.20 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 09:36.24 | ls- | ^^ |
| 09:36.25 | haste | uses neovim. |
| 09:36.33 | nevcairiel | i still stick to np++ :d |
| 09:36.33 | p3lim | vim is a good option too |
| 09:36.45 | p3lim | but I cba learning it |
| 09:36.51 | Seeker | uses sublime |
| 09:36.55 | ls- | vs code is nice too... |
| 09:36.55 | haste | vim requires a bit too much work to get it up and running now |
| 09:37.01 | Shockah|Work | i found Notepad++ better for binary stuff |
| 09:37.07 | Constie | I use regular vim, since neovim didn't have something I don't remember what it was the last time I checked. That was a while ago, though. |
| 09:37.12 | haste | spacemacs looks nice, but reconfiguring keys is a pain, so probably won't switch |
| 09:37.14 | p3lim | vscode is nice but is feature starved |
| 09:37.15 | Shockah|Work | i mean, i barely have to touch binary but it at least displays the bin chars |
| 09:37.18 | modernist | neovim's opening spiel starts with "literally" |
| 09:37.25 | modernist | i need another option |
| 09:37.25 | Constie | Sold. |
| 09:37.30 | ls- | p3lim, agree... T_T |
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| 09:38.01 | Aftermathh | hi |
| 09:38.13 | Shockah|Work | backing up the laptop... why is my sister storing 10 GB of data on her desktop |
| 09:38.13 | haste | modernist: it's basically vim, but with legacy stuff removed and input changes |
| 09:38.16 | p3lim | actually, does vscode have the same printing capabilities as vs2015? |
| 09:38.19 | ls- | they need big linter devs to join the party... there's nothing like sublimelinter for vscode T_T |
| 09:38.26 | p3lim | I need to print code out on paper for reasons |
| 09:38.33 | Shockah|Work | p3lim, wut |
| 09:38.38 | p3lim | Shockah|Work: uni |
| 09:38.40 | Shockah|Work | some kind of college assignments? |
| 09:38.41 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 09:38.47 | foxlit | l2tex |
| 09:38.55 | p3lim | meh |
| 09:39.17 | VIad | p3lim: my programming exams were done on paper. the IRL carbon copy paper kind >_> |
| 09:39.26 | VIad | it was horrible imo |
| 09:39.27 | haste | I think they still are |
| 09:39.32 | p3lim | still are indeed |
| 09:39.48 | VIad | luckily they cared more about the logic and not syntax :p |
| 09:39.50 | p3lim | but it's more of a "fill in the missing code" kind of deal |
| 09:39.53 | foxlit | the concept of "programming exams" is funny. |
| 09:39.54 | modernist | oh good, this 200 track album ive been sent to review has 0 id3 tags |
| 09:40.07 | foxlit | outside of "introduction to programming", they really shouldn't happen. like, ever. |
| 09:40.16 | VIad | actually we just got empty papers that said some text on top what it must do and we had to write it all ,_, |
| 09:40.50 | p3lim | there's no tests for programming though, more of week-long assignments that presents an example program as a solution to a problem set |
| 09:41.20 | VIad | exams are usually more small scale since you gotta do it in a room in X hours |
| 09:41.21 | Aftermathh | Can anyone tell me how to fix this? |
| 09:41.39 | modernist | i got taught to edit code on paper by some guy who idolised satoru iwata's practice |
| 09:41.39 | Constie | Try restarting your router. |
| 09:41.52 | VIad | turn it on and off, delete interface and wtf folders. |
| 09:41.59 | Aftermathh | I want this to be like this http://imgur.com/a/4WAtX > http://imgur.com/a/1za7y |
| 09:42.05 | modernist | add some print checks |
| 09:43.57 | modernist | im guessing the combat log "what happened to me" etc stuff is a seperate frame |
| 09:44.37 | VIad | ugh my headset broke, got to buy new one. it's like the prices are the same as they were 10 years ago >_> the headset I use is siberia v2, think it's kind of old by now :p |
| 09:45.00 | VIad | my main problem is I need the headset I buy to have 2 cords, one for sound and one for mic |
| 09:45.13 | VIad | and often they do terrible work at indicating that on the box/site >_> |
| 09:45.30 | VIad | modern cool approach is one cord with 4 poles for phone use |
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| 09:45.54 | VIad | my problem is that in practice the cable carries some noise mixing mic/audio and I get weird issues with quality on my end :/ |
| 09:46.23 | VIad | I think it's my PC, but still,works fine as long the cables are separate :p |
| 09:46.47 | VIad | for example the audio carries over to the microphone if I play loud sounds, even if I mute the microphone :p it's really weird |
| 09:46.56 | VIad | with the mute button on the headset itself that is |
| 09:47.20 | VIad | so on teamspeak people can hear my sounds that I hear if the volume is loud enough :D |
| 09:48.15 | nevcairiel | just keybind teamspeak mute |
| 09:48.17 | VIad | anyway did someone want to recommend me another model I can try? |
| 09:48.31 | VIad | nah but the sound quality is also shit in addition, I think shielding problems |
| 09:48.55 | VIad | just need to find one with two cables and it works fine/properly :p but was curious about some other makers |
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| 09:49.44 | nevcairiel | i use wireless these days |
| 09:49.50 | Semlar | why can't you use a usb headset |
| 09:50.17 | nevcairiel | wireless connected through usb, no analog cross-talk anywhere |
| 09:50.19 | VIad | I like that too, but, for example steelseries has a bunch of different versions that is hard to see on the box :/ |
| 09:50.53 | VIad | the siberias I've had through the years have been regular 3.5" jacks, some with one cord for sound+mic, some with two with those separate, some with USB >_> |
| 09:51.07 | modernist | our main tank uses wireless |
| 09:51.16 | Semlar | i have a corsair vengeance 1500, but it's like an $80 headset |
| 09:51.16 | modernist | he forgets to turn off autobroadcast when he pees |
| 09:51.33 | VIad | is the audio quality good? :( |
| 09:51.38 | nevcairiel | i have a steelseries H wireless, its like $299 |
| 09:51.40 | Semlar | yes |
| 09:51.44 | VIad | do you listen to a lot of music with bass? :p |
| 09:52.11 | VIad | often many headsets suck at the high and low sounds, some are often too much temble, other too much bass |
| 09:52.15 | Semlar | i don't use the headset unless i'm doing voice chat |
| 09:52.33 | nevcairiel | most gaming headsets dont have "good" music quality, since they are often not designed for those, so their built-in EQs favor voice and stuff |
| 09:52.35 | VIad | I use mine for everything, so I need to try find good once that are great with music too |
| 09:52.39 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:52.48 | VIad | thats what is wrong with my wireless one, so I only use it rarely :p |
| 09:53.11 | VIad | thats why I like siberia, it's like a mix, I find the audio good with some small EQ tweaks |
| 09:53.30 | VIad | some headsets Ive tried it was hard to tweak enough to make sound good to me :( |
| 09:53.38 | Semlar | the only headphones i've used for music were fairly expensive sennheisers |
| 09:53.52 | Aftermathh | Oh you're talking about music |
| 09:54.00 | Aftermathh | I actually make music |
| 09:55.29 | Semlar | i would probably just get a pair of headphones and a separate microphone if you want high sound quality |
| 09:55.48 | modernist | ultrasone are the headphones with the best audio quality in my experience |
| 09:56.04 | modernist | or bose if you have a wealthy backer and want noise cancelling |
| 09:56.30 | VIad | I mean, I only use these on the computer so it's important that they handle music well, and have a microphone when I need it |
| 09:56.36 | modernist | but yeah, get a seperate mic if you want a decent eq mix |
| 09:57.06 | Stanzilla | Semlar |
| 09:57.09 | Semlar | part of the problem is that i think most headsets are probably designed to not seal off outside noise |
| 09:57.22 | Stanzilla | did you write an addon that displays the trait of every artifact on relic tooltips yet? |
| 09:57.30 | ls- | p3lim, it's really funny how we went from "yeah, sure let's make a new element" to "no need to change anything" :D |
| 09:57.44 | Stanzilla | I mean, you have a relic in your inventory and the tooltip says it's "x for weapon x" and "y for weapon y" |
| 09:58.01 | Semlar | i helped someone make one that i'm pretty sure does that |
| 09:58.03 | VIad | for home use there is usually not much noise inside anyways :d |
| 09:58.12 | VIad | and if there is it is nice to notice it ^^ |
| 09:58.15 | Stanzilla | can you find it for me? :) |
| 09:58.18 | modernist | yeah i remember seeing that on wowinterface Stanzilla |
| 09:59.17 | Semlar | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/relicinspector |
| 09:59.35 | Stanzilla | niice |
| 09:59.39 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 10:00.32 | Semlar | and by help i mean i made the entire database |
| 10:00.43 | Semlar | and the tooltip code |
| 10:00.44 | Stanzilla | here's hope it has an option to only display the tt for the weapons I have |
| 10:00.48 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 10:00.54 | Stanzilla | how you give your stuff away for free |
| 10:01.52 | Semlar | although i think they changed some relics in a hotfix and i haven't regenerated anything because it was in adb files or something |
| 10:02.32 | Semlar | i think that was only what traits were affected by crafted relics |
| 10:02.48 | Semlar | i don't know if he manually fixed those |
| 10:03.35 | Aftermathh | If you want decent EQ on your mic, make sure you get a decent microphone, puff protector and soundcard :) |
| 10:04.01 | Semlar | my friend has like a $5 clip-on microphone and it sounds fine |
| 10:04.12 | VIad | Aftermathh: I am not going to stream, I meant, I just wanted to find a good headset for music with good sound quality but also had microphone for basic teamspeak use :p |
| 10:04.45 | modernist | honestly, i use the macbook built-in mic for discord |
| 10:04.48 | VIad | my siberia atm has it, but it broke, so need to buy new, I can buy the same, but then I first need to struggle finding one that comes with usb or two cables, instead of the mobile friendly 4 polar 3.5" jack that I struggle with shielding issues :p |
| 10:04.55 | modernist | as long as i dont slam my teacup down its fine |
| 10:06.23 | Semlar | it is mildly insulting that he didn't give me credit anywhere on here |
| 10:06.32 | haste | the macbook built-int mic picks up everything |
| 10:06.35 | VIad | but if you deal with music, you know how makers often tweak built in EQ to some profile they think people use them for ,_, |
| 10:06.55 | haste | I use it at the office once in a while and I get so much hate for it :P |
| 10:07.06 | Aftermathh | Right, well i don't really know any good headset |
| 10:07.13 | VIad | I think my laptop built in mic can hear me talking from another room :p |
| 10:07.25 | VIad | ofc with a bunch of white noise even if I am in front of it |
| 10:07.33 | modernist | lol, okay, maybe my guildies are just patient then |
| 10:07.45 | VIad | most likely they turned your volume down on their end :p |
| 10:07.47 | haste | or you don't have any one else messing about around you |
| 10:08.21 | Aftermathh | Could this be the build in eq |
| 10:08.39 | Aftermathh | check your settings on your mic |
| 10:09.15 | VIad | I dont give AF about my laptop btw, so its fine :p |
| 10:09.24 | VIad | never use it, just noticed it was weird like that |
| 10:09.37 | Aftermathh | okay :P |
| 10:09.49 | VIad | only thing I give AF about is my home use headset ,_, |
| 10:09.53 | modernist | get one of these |
| 10:09.53 | modernist | http://i.pi.gy/4KmN.jpg |
| 10:10.01 | VIad | I literally can't relax if I can't listen to music in good quality |
| 10:10.01 | Aftermathh | Anyway, if you guys are interested to check my music :) https://soundcloud.com/dirtytwistmusic |
| 10:10.24 | VIad | dirty twist music :d |
| 10:11.19 | modernist | i still havent figured out how some labels have backdrop images on their tracks |
| 10:11.26 | Aftermathh | yes that's meee |
| 10:11.27 | modernist | i assume: by paying a lot of mony |
| 10:12.16 | modernist | i think soundcloud tried to buy me off with some new tier with advertising last month, its probably that |
| 10:13.09 | Aftermathh | Haha, na i haven't payed any labels :) |
| 10:13.45 | modernist | i meant this one |
| 10:13.46 | modernist | https://soundcloud.com/its-mirage-music/dirty-twist-trilane-feat-simon-erics-faded-with-me-now |
| 10:13.56 | Stanzilla | my brother used to pay for soundcloud pro in the hope they would stop taking down his mashups/remixes |
| 10:13.58 | Stanzilla | but nope |
| 10:14.07 | Aftermathh | ah, yes you have pro i think |
| 10:14.13 | VIad | I have to ask, I see a lot of people on the internet write "dailys" have I been wrong all these years, or is that also acceptable? |
| 10:14.16 | modernist | looks like you need to be a "contributor", which yep â means you need to go get your back scratched in their london offic |
| 10:14.30 | VIad | as in something occuring daily, the plural >_> |
| 10:14.39 | modernist | it should be dailies |
| 10:14.47 | modernist | but saying dailys is addicting |
| 10:14.48 | VIad | ,_, |
| 10:14.49 | p3lim | ls-: Proposing an element atleast |
| 10:14.54 | Simca_ | it's not accepted and is wrong, it is dailies |
| 10:15.07 | VIad | the use would suggest it is okay :p |
| 10:15.17 | VIad | just the frequency I see it |
| 10:15.20 | Stanzilla | daylies is literally hitler |
| 10:15.39 | Simca_ | i almost never see it except amongst non-native english speakers |
| 10:15.42 | modernist | im an editor, trust me |
| 10:15.45 | modernist | its wrong |
| 10:15.49 | Semlar | i should probably write something to handle adb files |
| 10:15.52 | VIad | I always write dailies myself |
| 10:16.03 | VIad | even wow had a typo in one achievement, using "dailys" |
| 10:16.09 | VIad | it blew my mind |
| 10:16.10 | p3lim | Stanzilla: but there's no dailies, there are world quests that reset on a daily basis :p |
| 10:16.23 | Stanzilla | well that is NOW |
| 10:16.26 | VIad | hourlies? |
| 10:16.29 | VIad | hourlys |
| 10:16.41 | modernist | i call them lil quests |
| 10:16.43 | Stanzilla | I just had to read that wrong spelling too many times back in the day |
| 10:16.58 | ls- | VIad, y -> ies... |
| 10:17.16 | ls- | almost always, I bet there are some exceptions :p |
| 10:17.24 | VIad | search replace ies > y and have fun |
| 10:17.45 | ls- | :D |
| 10:17.48 | modernist | yeah i was gonna say, i actually had a small gsub script for common spelling mistakes at one point |
| 10:17.51 | modernist | because i am an idiot |
| 10:18.20 | modernist | i think most people have gotten past "rouge" now |
| 10:18.38 | VIad | the color I presume? |
| 10:18.39 | Stanzilla | preist |
| 10:18.58 | modernist | yeah people are always telling me about their makeup routines in LFR |
| 10:19.26 | ls- | on my realm people often say rog :p |
| 10:19.39 | VIad | you don't use context to figure out what people talk about? :p since rogue is both class and color in french ;p |
| 10:20.09 | VIad | my typo |
| 10:20.11 | VIad | rouge :p |
| 10:20.19 | VIad | rogue IS french for red though |
| 10:20.24 | modernist | yes yes i know |
| 10:20.26 | VIad | :p |
| 10:20.27 | modernist | it was a dumb script |
| 10:20.37 | VIad | or is it? I might be wrong, havent had french in many years |
| 10:20.38 | VIad | ,_, |
| 10:20.42 | modernist | it is |
| 10:20.46 | modernist | hence the link to makeup |
| 10:20.55 | modernist | you "rouge" your cheeks |
| 10:21.08 | modernist | which cheeks, im not saying |
| 10:21.24 | VIad | rouge ambush! |
| 10:21.29 | VIad | you are now all red |
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| 10:21.52 | Seeker | the same happens when a rogue ambushes you too |
| 10:22.07 | VIad | depends on what you are I guess |
| 10:22.16 | VIad | or is all blood red in wow? :p |
| 10:22.58 | modernist | spiders are filled with creme du menthe |
| 10:23.24 | VIad | now I want creme brulee ,_, |
| 10:24.29 | VIad | creme de menthe is alcohol drink... is it like cream inside? :p |
| 10:25.03 | modernist | mint cordial |
| 10:25.08 | Seeker | creme de menthe isn't creamy |
| 10:25.14 | VIad | I would hope not |
| 10:25.19 | VIad | but isn't creme = cream? |
| 10:25.25 | modernist | yeah i was a little off with that comparison |
| 10:25.43 | VIad | I reacted mostly about the contents of the alcohol :p |
| 10:25.53 | modernist | "creme de" is pretty malleable in french i think |
| 10:26.13 | VIad | cream beer is probably not that good in practice :p |
| 10:26.21 | VIad | creme de beer |
| 10:27.20 | modernist | someones never had advocaat |
| 10:34.36 | Aftermathh | freaking shooot me, not sure what to do :< http://imgur.com/a/i11ZF http://imgur.com/a/aBKSo |
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| 10:39.24 | VIad | think the chat frame is getting an overhaul for 7.1 or maybe it was 7.2 :d |
| 10:41.27 | Aftermathh | oh really? |
| 10:41.46 | VIad | at least they will move all the code on the lua side of things |
| 10:41.54 | VIad | so remains to be seen how it will be in the end |
| 10:42.06 | VIad | also scrollframe is being dropped, so thats interesting |
| 10:42.17 | VIad | some new type of widget for messages in a frame? |
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| 10:48.27 | modernist | there's some comments in the FCF source about them redoing tabs too iir |
| 10:48.28 | modernist | c |
| 10:51.13 | ls- | modernist: we scrapped everything, we won't change power element either :p see first comment of that PR, I left an example there... |
| 11:08.38 | Aftermathh | yaaaay! |
| 11:08.40 | Aftermathh | Got it to work |
| 11:09.02 | VIad | Semlar: are the amount of rumor guys in COS the same? like 6? |
| 11:09.25 | Aftermathh | 5 i think |
| 11:09.31 | Semlar | i think there are 5 guys |
| 11:09.35 | VIad | k, 5 |
| 11:09.55 | Semlar | after you talk to all of them you can just have your demon hunter use his sight to find him though |
| 11:10.00 | VIad | y |
| 11:10.09 | VIad | thats what I was thinking, to have addon tell me when it's okay :p |
| 11:10.41 | Aftermathh | Smart :P |
| 11:10.55 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=215281 |
| 11:11.09 | Simca_ | https://www.dropbox.com/home/Apps/Greenshot%20Plugin?preview=2016-10-17+06_53_18-World+of+Warcraft.png |
| 11:11.10 | VIad | CLEU detectable |
| 11:17.09 | VIad | btw I don't like the new % thing, it's difficult to say how much mobs give for players, so its hard to imagine the route at the moment. the old kill X/Y was at least easier to understand what you need to clear of trash and less headache :p |
| 11:21.18 | modernist | ive been trying to figure out if the % changes from mob to mob |
| 11:21.22 | modernist | i should really log it |
| 11:21.30 | VIad | Simca_: made a library for it :p based on db data |
| 11:22.05 | VIad | shouldn't be a problem calculating the exacts. I just hate the fact the % are like 1.37% on some trash >_> |
| 11:22.11 | VIad | no whole round numbers, kind of annoying |
| 11:22.30 | Seeker | VIad: why do you need round numbers? |
| 11:22.44 | Simca_ | VIad / modernist https://wow.curseforge.com/addons/simpleobjectiveprogress/files/6-v1-0/ |
| 11:22.50 | VIad | we are at 92.35% we need ugh... oh I see some mobs worth 4.23% 1.94% 3.01% is that enough? |
| 11:23.01 | Seeker | yes |
| 11:23.10 | VIad | could have been 92% and 4% 2% 3% and easier math ;d |
| 11:23.41 | Seeker | "we are at 92%, and there are 4 mobs worth 2%, do we have enough?" |
| 11:23.51 | VIad | 2 * 4 = 8 YES |
| 11:23.54 | Seeker | oh, wait, we were actually at 91.8%, and those mobs are only worth 1.7% |
| 11:23.55 | VIad | easier to do on the fly |
| 11:24.06 | VIad | we need another 0.32% |
| 11:24.12 | VIad | ,_, |
| 11:24.39 | VIad | it kind of boils down to making a route that you repeat each time for the % |
| 11:24.44 | Torhal | We need a bigger boat? |
| 11:25.03 | VIad | might as well just make it kill X of Y like old CM or make % easier to calculate on the fly :p |
| 11:25.13 | VIad | later seems easier t odo |
| 11:25.25 | Simca_ | they try to use rounded %s in some places |
| 11:25.52 | Seeker | VIad: have you seen gotta go faster? It has an option to show the number of 'points' you need, instead of percentages |
| 11:25.56 | Simca_ | but yeah enemy forces are all heavily decimal |
| 11:26.13 | VIad | points sounds equally complicated, like 1928 / 3392 |
| 11:26.23 | VIad | oh that mob is worth 59 points, that is 128 |
| 11:26.24 | Simca_ | they're relatively small numbers |
| 11:26.25 | Seeker | I don't think it shows the points on the tooltip yet, but lots of dungeons require something like 210 points, which doesn't make for nice percentages |
| 11:26.30 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 11:26.49 | VIad | if blizz reworks the weights it can be better imo :/ |
| 11:27.09 | VIad | say you use no addons, you'd just read a guide or you have no chance :p |
| 11:27.10 | Simca_ | i've been chatting with the author of GottaGoFaster about integrating my new library as well so points or percents can be on the tooltips |
| 11:27.14 | foxlit | surely you can think of better things to waste time reworking. |
| 11:27.34 | VIad | tbh should have been made from the start a 0-100 point system that easily translates to % :p |
| 11:27.36 | Seeker | VIad: yeah, but who uses no addons? If you care about optimising routes, you use addons |
| 11:27.55 | Seeker | VIad: and then what's the largest number of mobs you can have someone kill in the dungeon? |
| 11:27.57 | VIad | you can probably make an addon display the "next step" on screen :) |
| 11:28.18 | VIad | depends, I think you can kill for twice the requirement if you clear all of HOV :d |
| 11:28.42 | VIad | but the addon is a interesting idea |
| 11:28.49 | Seeker | if you say that mobs have to have an integer value, and it has to be out of 100, you're very limited with mob limits / relative values for mobs |
| 11:30.02 | VIad | not everything gives points anyways |
| 11:30.13 | VIad | so not like it will be hard if 1 is the smallest amount out of 100 for completion |
| 11:30.37 | VIad | some packs can have one guy and some worms and the big guy is the only thing that gives score |
| 11:32.41 | VIad | I mean, my point is just it would be nicer with round numbers :p |
| 11:32.48 | VIad | just easier to grasp in general |
| 11:33.03 | VIad | atm the design is like, learn the route scrub |
| 11:33.18 | VIad | so it anyway boils down to the perfect route :p |
| 11:33.34 | VIad | and very little usually alters it, just becomes a thing everyone does |
| 11:34.00 | VIad | can be too difficult to on-the-fly figure out alternative path to complete it, and often it becomes a backtracking issue like in neltharions lair :) hard to go back up |
| 11:34.39 | VIad | you could have addons coded to guide you, since the data is available in the background for us, and you can detect progress based on what is killed, so you can know cirka where the group is even without location information in 7.1 |
| 11:35.12 | VIad | could have at least some warnings like "you won't have enough kills to make it" it detects you heading in some point of no return or something :d |
| 11:35.46 | Seeker | VIad: that last thing should be part of the default ui |
| 11:36.45 | VIad | in reality yes :p |
| 11:37.01 | VIad | but there are no concepts of checkpoint checks or anything, the old one had it by having kill X of Y mob type |
| 11:37.13 | VIad | so you learned by experience "oh we have no more of X down here" |
| 11:37.29 | VIad | so you could easily correct it in the run if you happen to forget or something |
| 11:38.10 | VIad | atm quickest fix is just normalize the values to be nicer to manage in terms of % :p |
| 11:44.39 | VIad | I think wow needs a team purely for quality of life type programming :p |
| 11:45.35 | Stanzilla | you know what also should be part of the default UI? being able to click links |
| 11:46.38 | Seeker | Stanzilla: but so much phishing |
| 11:47.01 | Stanzilla | not directly opening them |
| 11:47.06 | Stanzilla | just sometzhing that lets you copy it |
| 11:47.34 | VIad | with the chat frame being recoded and such |
| 11:47.41 | modernist | oh is that why my buggrabber links no longer work |
| 11:47.42 | VIad | maybe it will finally come in 7.2 or 7.3 :p |
| 11:47.55 | VIad | dunno how much they have done in 7.1 |
| 11:48.16 | VIad | first they just port the C side to lua and drop scrollframe, so I heard |
| 11:57.53 | VIad | ugh I feel dirty for using powerpoint to quickly add some arrows on top of an image ,_, |
| 12:03.56 | znf | ShareX?!? |
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| 12:30.26 | Ammako | https://puu.sh/rLYJ3/0e39e2df95.png |
| 12:30.30 | Ammako | opinions? MM hunter |
| 12:32.23 | znf | ask the robot |
| 12:37.54 | Ammako | how do i even use the addon |
| 12:40.50 | Ammako | i figured it out, unecessarily complicated imo |
| 12:51.13 | znf | it really can't be simpler... |
| 12:56.23 | Ammako | would be nice if i could just make the comparison in-game |
| 12:58.07 | znf | it can't do that math in-game |
| 12:58.29 | znf | I mean, it could |
| 12:58.33 | znf | but it's always better outside |
| 12:58.34 | Ammako | there you go |
| 12:58.49 | Seeker | Pawn lets you do the comparison between gear in-game |
| 12:59.08 | Seeker | fine for stuff other than set bonuses / trinkets. It's worth using simc to generate your own weights periodically though |
| 13:00.12 | Ammako | i tried doing that but im not sure how to get actual weights |
| 13:00.23 | Ammako | unless you mean simming with both equipped and seeing which one rates higher |
| 13:00.44 | nevcairiel | just sim your character ones and get the weights from that |
| 13:00.47 | nevcairiel | once* |
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| 13:00.52 | nevcairiel | put that in pawn and voila |
| 13:01.05 | Ammako | i must be blind because i couldnt find the weights in simc after simming |
| 13:01.14 | Seeker | there is a "scaling" tab in the options. Turn on your primary stat + crit + haste + vers + mastery + weapon dps + oh dps. Change the fight type to something other than patchwerk |
| 13:01.41 | Seeker | It'll generate a table / some graphs / a Pawn import string for you |
| 13:01.51 | znf | I just sim with Mr. Robot :D |
| 13:01.55 | Seeker | it takes some time though. up to 5 minutes on decent computer |
| 13:02.03 | Seeker | znf: that depends on how much you trust their weights |
| 13:02.14 | Ammako | cause having actual numerical weights would be way easier for me to make calculations |
| 13:02.16 | nevcairiel | the sims ignore weights, the sims generate weights |
| 13:02.20 | znf | ^ |
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| 13:02.36 | nevcairiel | but i dont trust AMR much either way, at least not for siming my tank, the result was rather weird |
| 13:02.56 | Seeker | I consistently get weird results from AMR using their weights |
| 13:03.17 | Ammako | also on an unrelated note |
| 13:03.18 | znf | sim your own weights? |
| 13:03.20 | nevcairiel | my DPS friend says its ok when you let it actually Sim your char, instead of using the built-in weights |
| 13:03.34 | znf | http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/run |
| 13:03.36 | Seeker | znf: I do in simc, then put those weights in to Pawn and AMR |
| 13:03.41 | znf | not sure if that's a premium feature |
| 13:04.01 | Stanzilla | that depends on the simc module being maintained |
| 13:04.03 | Stanzilla | which some of them are not |
| 13:05.49 | znf | the Shadow module will probably die, soon |
| 13:06.27 | Rythal | Anyone had any experience with wheelchair rental in anaheim |
| 13:06.30 | Constie | Yeah, simulation accuracy does notably depend on all the various ability mechanics actually being modeled accurately, which isn't necessarily the case. |
| 13:08.03 | karl_w_w | jeopardy thinks wonder rhymes with under |
| 13:08.13 | Seeker | afaik rogue is well maintained. I could be wrong. |
| 13:08.29 | Seeker | karl_w_w: depends heavily on accent. As does a lot of rhyming. |
| 13:09.09 | Constie | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rhymes:English/%CA%8Cnd%C9%99(%C9%B9) |
| 13:10.05 | VIad | Seeker: I was in the simc earlier but the scale tab was grayed out, I couldn't check the stats below :/ so the sim report didnt contain any weights for me |
| 13:10.35 | VIad | also is the playstyle in the simc updated and good to give me good weights? |
| 13:10.37 | Ammako | anyone know a decent place to try and pickpocket Marin Noggenfogger's Lucky Coin |
| 13:11.33 | Seeker | VIad: not sure I've seen the whole scale tab greyed out before. I think there is an 'enable' box at the top |
| 13:11.46 | VIad | even if I enabled the rest were still gray ,_, |
| 13:11.53 | VIad | maybe DH not suported |
| 13:12.41 | Seeker | if it can sim your dps it should work. It works by modifying your stats by a small amount and resimming, and using that to see how your dps changes |
| 13:12.46 | VIad | probably had to restart it >_> |
| 13:12.57 | VIad | what about if I am a tank? :p |
| 13:13.04 | Seeker | dunno about tanks |
| 13:13.11 | VIad | hope it is smart with the TMI |
| 13:13.24 | Seeker | Although I'd guess it's the same. Change the stats, see what happens :P |
| 13:13.40 | Constie | https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/SimcForTanks |
| 13:15.36 | karl_w_w | Does Metroid have a gun for an arm, or is that just part of his suit? |
| 13:15.42 | Seeker | her |
| 13:15.49 | Mr_Rabies | 10/10, karl_w_w |
| 13:15.55 | VIad | this is why I bought this expensive CPU - go do your work! simulating a tong of iterations :p |
| 13:16.08 | VIad | karl_w_w: I imagined it was like garret from ff :p |
| 13:16.31 | VIad | also AMR simulation client was way too slow :/ |
| 13:16.36 | Seeker | not part of her arm apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samus_Aran |
| 13:17.09 | Constie | Maybe it becomes part of Metroid's arm when he's in the suit. |
| 13:18.21 | VIad | does pawn take account in softcaps? |
| 13:18.42 | VIad | like if I got my weights, there is a limit to how benefit you eventually get :p |
| 13:18.59 | VIad | if you have 50% haste you probably need twice what you got just to go up a % :p |
| 13:19.20 | VIad | point is by then you reached the softcap and should start to prioritize other stats more that reward more imidietly |
| 13:19.32 | VIad | unsure if that is a simc thing, or if pawn will take account for this ingame |
| 13:19.36 | Seeker | your weights won't be good forever |
| 13:19.45 | Seeker | I usually re-sim after every couple of upgrades |
| 13:19.45 | VIad | AMR I know takes account softcaps |
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| 13:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | resim often |
| 13:21.18 | VIad | it's telling me that armor>sta>ver>hasteâagi>leech>crit>mastery >_> |
| 13:21.32 | VIad | weird mastery got put at the end |
| 13:22.04 | Seeker | remember that it's based on your current gear. So if you drop a ton of mastery from your current gear, mastery will move up again |
| 13:22.23 | Seeker | It's based on where your gear is right now |
| 13:22.46 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:22.53 | VIad | makes sense |
| 13:23.09 | Seeker | so you may get some benefit from swapping some gear from mastery to ver |
| 13:23.23 | Seeker | but that's worth simming |
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| 13:25.43 | VIad | this data was from simc |
| 13:25.50 | VIad | did like 50k iterations |
| 13:25.57 | VIad | isnt that good enough? |
| 13:26.48 | VIad | also I used T19H boss I hope thats correct :p I am not mythic raider anyway |
| 13:27.50 | Seeker | I mean if you've got crit/mastery shoulders on, and ver/haste in your bags, with the same ilvl. Those results might suggest that you'd be better swapping the two. But in that case it's worth doing a sim with each item to see what the result is. |
| 13:28.01 | VIad | aha |
| 13:28.28 | VIad | but if I have the weights and use pawn ingame, if it says "it's upgrade" and I equip it, run the simcagain |
| 13:28.37 | VIad | how do I tell if it was better than last? :p |
| 13:28.48 | VIad | as a tank I have a TMI number |
| 13:29.03 | VIad | atm it showed 123k TMI with 0.04% error |
| 13:29.36 | VIad | so next time I run the sim if the number is lower it's good, it says lower TMI is better, but if it's lower by too small margin it could just be the sim, that the item alone didnt do a huge change |
| 13:29.57 | Seeker | I don't know how tanks compare gear. The assumption is that if give you pawn rankings, and you replace an item (that doesn't include set / trinket) according to those weights, it should be an upgrade |
| 13:30.19 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:30.55 | Seeker | 0.04% error would put it at something like 123000 +/- 50 |
| 13:31.14 | VIad | struggling atm to find on AMR how to set the weights :p |
| 13:31.35 | Seeker | at the top of the page, there's a button, just above where you select which model to use |
| 13:31.41 | VIad | view/edit strategy |
| 13:32.02 | Ammako | how does metroid recharge his cannon |
| 13:32.16 | Constie | Very carefully. |
| 13:33.13 | Constie | Well, in the games he usually has infinite ammo, because it's powered by chorizo technology. |
| 13:33.38 | VIad | how do I delete profiles, Seeker? |
| 13:33.58 | Seeker | I don't know, can't check atm as I'm at work |
| 13:34.55 | VIad | it's a bit weird |
| 13:35.02 | VIad | think I'll have to still manually look at the choices |
| 13:35.08 | VIad | weights suggest I dont need mastery atm |
| 13:35.12 | VIad | last priority |
| 13:35.24 | VIad | but AMR wants me to equip a trinket that has stamina and a mastery proc :p |
| 13:35.48 | VIad | pure stamina ;d and stamina is like okay good but I can't like control anything, feels a bit weird |
| 13:36.01 | VIad | atm I got one I can /use every min to absorb 500k dmg, not much but enough to use on the right moments |
| 13:36.19 | VIad | feels stronger but then again maybe the passive more hp is good too :p |
| 13:36.55 | nevcairiel | 500k is just a drop in the ocean if you have 4m life, or so i typically feel |
| 13:37.00 | VIad | anyway need to find an automated way to go from armory > simc > pawn + AMR data I can easily import |
| 13:37.13 | Seeker | you can install the simc addon |
| 13:37.15 | VIad | it is a boss auto attack more or less |
| 13:37.38 | VIad | like on nythendra I use it to completely negate her dmg on me on the rot :d |
| 13:37.51 | Seeker | then you can type /simc in game, copy + paste that output in to simc, which then produces a pawn string you can import |
| 13:38.08 | VIad | simc program has a pawn string :d |
| 13:38.17 | VIad | but AMR link dont work, so need to figure a thing there |
| 13:38.21 | nevcairiel | i got an 870 version of the xavius trinket last night, some people claim its really good, need to test that some |
| 13:38.26 | Seeker | in the pawn options there is an "import" button, which you can paste in the string |
| 13:38.31 | foxlit | I don't get Power of the Archdruid. It doesn't seem to copy the regrowth buff to additional targets |
| 13:38.33 | VIad | the flat % dmg reduction is not bad |
| 13:38.46 | VIad | it slowly ramps up making you take less dmg over time, then drops, and starts again |
| 13:39.06 | nevcairiel | yeah i know how it works, just need to figure out the amount of damage it prevents, in average, or something |
| 13:39.07 | VIad | giving you time to like use CDs when it starts to build, and at the peak you dont HAVE to CD |
| 13:39.13 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:39.16 | VIad | gz its a nice one :p |
| 13:39.40 | nevcairiel | guild finally managed to kill cenarius and xavius hc, dont need to think about pugging anymore |
| 13:39.53 | VIad | simc has attack power scale, I wonder if I can uncheck it :p |
| 13:40.03 | Ammako | lol chorizo technology |
| 13:40.58 | VIad | hmm there is no plot data (simc_report_plotdata.csv) |
| 13:41.03 | VIad | any option I have to check for it? |
| 13:41.20 | VIad | ah I see - plots |
| 13:41.21 | Seeker | nevcairiel: hopefully we'll manage the same tonight/tomorrow. We had someone in the guild that refused to sign up for guild raids because he could kill more bosses in a pug. |
| 13:41.21 | Constie | We're starting on heroic Cenarius tonight. |
| 13:41.39 | VIad | Seeker: douche - you can pug and play with guild |
| 13:41.51 | Seeker | VIad: yeah. And he expected a mythic spot when we start on that. |
| 13:41.53 | VIad | if you only do it for loot might as well leave :p |
| 13:42.02 | VIad | I find it more fun to play with people I know |
| 13:42.06 | Seeker | Constie: same here |
| 13:42.08 | VIad | or like get to know :p |
| 13:42.10 | nevcairiel | we had some that pugged the bosses we didnt kill yet, nothing wrong with that |
| 13:42.15 | VIad | sure |
| 13:42.20 | Seeker | I hate pugging. It's a nightmare. |
| 13:42.24 | VIad | but if you skip raids with guild because you pugged it instead |
| 13:42.27 | nevcairiel | we only raid two short evenings, some just want to play more |
| 13:42.29 | VIad | why be in the guild? |
| 13:42.42 | VIad | like if you never play with them but wanna raid mythic with them :p |
| 13:43.11 | Seeker | VIad: because "it isn't worth raiding with you while I can still kill more with pugs" |
| 13:43.56 | nevcairiel | "its also not worth taking you into mythics with that attitude, goodbye" |
| 13:44.39 | Seeker | that's pretty much what happened the other night |
| 13:45.01 | nevcairiel | good |
| 13:45.05 | VIad | good |
| 13:45.17 | VIad | having a good social guild is most important |
| 13:45.30 | Seeker | While discussing it, he said "Well you've got your point of view, I've got mine, I hope you understand it". To which my resposne was "the difference is, your point of view is wrong" :P |
| 13:45.34 | VIad | if people are not there to play together, don't fit together, it's not enjoyable and people leave |
| 13:45.56 | VIad | his POV is not suited for a guild that wants to have a community of raiders :p |
| 13:46.04 | Seeker | pretty much |
| 13:46.26 | Seeker | I saw him spamming trade for a guild invite yesterday |
| 13:46.27 | Ammako | there is a 100% attendance rate at all events in my guild |
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| 13:46.32 | nevcairiel | cant just decide to take part in the community when its going well for you, also have to take part in the progress and gearing before that |
| 13:46.32 | Ammako | of course, I am also the only one in it |
| 13:46.45 | VIad | kek |
| 13:47.01 | Seeker | nevcairiel: that's what I tried explaining |
| 13:47.11 | foxlit | the bigger question is why your organized raiding group is performing worse than a random selection of strangers. |
| 13:47.32 | Seeker | "you aren't progressing quickly enough", "yes, well we might if everyone helped" |
| 13:47.41 | Seeker | foxlit: 2 nights a week of progress raiding |
| 13:47.52 | Seeker | and a normal clear on wednesdays |
| 13:48.12 | Seeker | with each night being 2.5 hours |
| 13:48.59 | VIad | 2 raid nights should be enough |
| 13:49.11 | Seeker | we're at 5/7hc now |
| 13:49.39 | VIad | you can raid 19-22/23 and in that time clear entire HC :p |
| 13:49.52 | VIad | at start with progress ofc will be slower, but the ball starts rolling |
| 13:50.08 | VIad | soon you do normal in an hour just for the gear/trials, then HC the rest, and some mythic in the last day |
| 13:51.22 | Seeker | yeah, we can do normal in about 90 minutes or less. We're at the point of doing 4/7hc in about 2 hours. We'll get there, and it won't take that long. It's just not as fast as people doing 3 or 4 nights of 3+ hours a night. |
| 13:51.38 | Seeker | we're probably not as selective as we should be about who we take too |
| 13:52.42 | VIad | the guild I pugged with on their progress cleared heroic, then did a much of recruitment to get mythic ready |
| 13:52.53 | Seeker | we're only 1 boss behind my old guild, that does 4 days with 4 hours each, so I'm not unhappy. |
| 13:52.59 | VIad | sadly this week like no one came for xavius heroic so they didnt raid it :/ |
| 13:53.16 | VIad | more important to have the quality of players than time :p |
| 13:53.34 | VIad | if you have a guild with too different players in terms of skill, its not going to be fun for half of them |
| 13:53.56 | nevcairiel | we're usually the best 2 day raiding guild on my realm, all others with more progress typically raid 3 days or more |
| 13:53.59 | VIad | you got the mechanics 20 wipes ago, it's only heroic, they still fail on some mechanic and you just want to punch them |
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| 13:54.22 | nevcairiel | no question a bunch of those also have better players, but for the time we put in we do good |
| 13:54.47 | VIad | Seeker: should I use auto iterations or set it to like 50k or 100k? |
| 13:57.57 | Constie | Whatever gives an error margin that's small enough for you. |
| 14:08.18 | Ammako | yay i got a coin |
| 14:12.35 | Ammako | anyone here get sub hidden appearance? |
| 14:13.02 | Seeker | VIad: I set it to auto and then set the error margin |
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| 14:14.35 | Seeker | VIad: I once had to explain to someone what "pre-potting" was. They'd been raiding for 3+ years. |
| 14:15.08 | nevcairiel | depending on what level you raid its not necessarily a straight forward concept |
| 14:15.35 | Seeker | nevcairiel: well, it was mixed. The GM wanted to be 1st on the server, but didn't want to exclude anyway |
| 14:17.15 | nevcairiel | guilds with mixed ambitions like that usually end up breaking |
| 14:17.18 | Seeker | including on many occasions in the past people being told that everyone should pre-pot |
| 14:17.49 | Seeker | this one was on the verge of it. I insisted the GM stop trying to do 6 nights a week of raiding |
| 14:18.49 | Seeker | There are just about enough people that can carry others that stick with the guild "for reasons" that it just about survives |
| 14:19.23 | Seeker | terrible reasons, but it keeps them there |
| 14:20.20 | Seeker | like the guy that stays because his best friend is in the guild, who stays because he fancies one of the girls in the guild, who stays because her boyfriend is in the guild... |
| 14:21.54 | Constie | I think the people in my guild all just have fun playing together. |
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| 14:42.02 | VIad | is fancies a pretty word for hast a hard on? |
| 14:42.31 | Seeker | VIad: something like that |
| 14:44.37 | Thunder_Child | No. |
| 14:44.46 | Thunder_Child | In this case sure, but not always. |
| 14:45.24 | Ammako | why wont youtube remember that i put videos in theater mode |
| 14:57.48 | VIad | Seeker: do you want to look at my script for simc and tell me if it is good enough? |
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| 15:02.57 | znf | lol http://qz.com/771727/chinas-factories-in-shenzhen-can-copy-products-at-breakneck-speed-and-its-time-for-the-rest-of-the-world-to-get-over-it/ |
| 15:08.57 | Ammako | wooo https://puu.sh/rM5Lt/90c98f398a.jpg |
| 15:09.54 | znf | I didn't even know that the scenario was still atainable O.o |
| 15:09.59 | znf | I mean, enteranle? |
| 15:10.00 | znf | accesibke? |
| 15:10.25 | Seeker | VIad: err, I can take a look in a couple of hours. Not sure how qualified I am to comment though :P |
| 15:13.07 | VIad | I know diddly shit |
| 15:14.54 | Ammako | these daggers look a lot bigger than i would have expected |
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| 15:27.35 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 15:30.43 | mckenziemc | tackles Fisker. |
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| 15:46.39 | VIad | simc does like 5k iterations/s |
| 15:46.49 | VIad | amr client for simulations is muuuuch slower |
| 15:47.06 | VIad | 730 runs complete out of 1800 and been here 15 min soon |
| 15:47.15 | VIad | not feeling like it utilizes my CPU entirely :p |
| 15:47.40 | nevcairiel | the client asks how much cpu you want it using |
| 15:47.45 | VIad | AMR? |
| 15:47.55 | VIad | I have it at max |
| 15:48.05 | VIad | I set it to 12 manually |
| 15:48.16 | VIad | let's check process hacker :p |
| 15:48.42 | VIad | there we go |
| 15:48.46 | VIad | a bit more juices |
| 15:49.03 | VIad | using 95% of the cpu a |
| 15:49.30 | VIad | but simc when I set it to max made my mouse lag on screen :p |
| 15:49.41 | VIad | AMR doesnt feel like it is working hard enough because the PC isn't lagging :p |
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| 15:52.18 | znf | they're using different ways of doing things, not sure you can compare the speed/iteration |
| 15:53.31 | VIad | gonna check what AMR says |
| 15:53.34 | VIad | about the weights ' |
| 15:53.53 | VIad | and if there are huge discrepancies then I will cut my wrists |
| 15:56.01 | Thunder_Child | Pics or it didn't happen. |
| 15:57.24 | VIad | AMR still running the sim |
| 15:59.25 | nevcairiel | the AMR simming tool is pretty new, i'm sure there is plenty improvements yet to be made, but its nevertheless good to have more then ony simming-pony in the run |
| 15:59.32 | nevcairiel | one* |
| 15:59.39 | VIad | y |
| 16:00.58 | VIad | AMR still values mastery insanely high even with my mastery |
| 16:01.17 | VIad | but the cap fields are emptyu |
| 16:01.24 | VIad | maybe I should add the softcap values? ugh |
| 16:01.52 | nevcairiel | the simming should figure those out or know, i would think |
| 16:02.19 | nevcairiel | thats the whole point of a sim, calculate weights for your current char, instead of generic weights |
| 16:03.44 | Seeker | when you generate your weights, you aren't generating them for the next 100 ilvl. It's what applies to your gear right now. Unless you're very close to a cap already, you're unlikely to hit it on your next upgrade |
| 16:04.41 | Seeker | you can use the plotting in simc to see what happens to each stat as you lose/gain a few thousand of that stat |
| 16:05.06 | Seeker | which should give you a better idea of what it thinks breakpoints might be |
| 16:05.26 | VIad | AMR says armor is worth 60.56 |
| 16:05.29 | VIad | mastery 6.62 |
| 16:05.34 | VIad | there must be something wrong? |
| 16:05.41 | Seeker | what does simc say? |
| 16:05.57 | VIad | simc also has armory on front but not that strongly :p |
| 16:06.05 | VIad | and simc put mastery on the end with least worth |
| 16:06.36 | Seeker | what are the weights each give to each stat? |
| 16:06.43 | nevcairiel | armor is often quite valuable, i was more annoyed by AMR putting leech up on top which made it suggest the weirdest items - even more so since you cant reliably gear for leech anyway, so i got rid of that weighting |
| 16:08.24 | VIad | my AMR http://ss.bool.no/capture_1476720500.png |
| 16:11.48 | nevcairiel | oh AMR now has a Ursoc boss script |
| 16:11.51 | nevcairiel | lets sim with that! |
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| 16:12.11 | VIad | my simc Agility=1.18, Stamina=2.33, Ap=0.90, CritRating=1.00, HasteRating=1.27, MasteryRating=0.82, Versatility=1.72, Armor=10.62, BonusArmor=5.51, Dps=-0.04Â |
| 16:12.21 | VIad | or: Armor > BonusArmor > Sta > Vers > Haste > Agi > Leech ~= Crit > AP > Mastery > Wdps ~= WOHdps |
| 16:12.37 | Ammako | tfw bonus armor doesnt exist anymore |
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| 16:12.44 | nevcairiel | sure does |
| 16:12.49 | Ammako | not in the same way |
| 16:13.05 | nevcairiel | armor from trinkets, potions or enchants is still considered bonus armor |
| 16:13.12 | nevcairiel | handled by some abilities differently then normal armor |
| 16:13.19 | Ammako | neat |
| 16:13.47 | nevcairiel | most importantly for druids, Ironfur multiplies your armor, but not hte bonus armor, thats applied after the Ironfur buff |
| 16:13.59 | Ammako | TIL |
| 16:14.04 | nevcairiel | (in fact they just fixed that last week, before Ironfur was super OP) |
| 16:14.49 | nevcairiel | hm AMR client in max mode at least uses 90% CPU or so, thats not too bad |
| 16:14.57 | nevcairiel | can at least still browse the internet :d |
| 16:15.25 | VIad | I wonder why one says mastery is need to have other puts on the back :p |
| 16:15.36 | VIad | and ofc the huge armory NEED TO HAVE on AMR vs simc :/ |
| 16:15.46 | VIad | the distance between stats is less on simc than AMR |
| 16:16.18 | VIad | armory is like 10 times more worth, so if an item has higher ilvl it probably has like 10 more armory, even if it has a bunch of whatever stat I need it probably outweighs everything :d |
| 16:16.40 | VIad | I can probably have a trinket that is -10% all stats but gives 1000 armor and it would be a BIS :p |
| 16:16.51 | Ammako | haha |
| 16:16.52 | nevcairiel | well, it is |
| 16:17.03 | nevcairiel | thats why the darkmoon trinket is so strong for non-plate tanks |
| 16:17.17 | nevcairiel | because the armor is valuable as f' |
| 16:17.28 | nevcairiel | for plate tanks not that strong because their base armor level is much higher |
| 16:17.37 | VIad | AMR says my BIS is the dark moon trinket but so expensive |
| 16:18.37 | VIad | we are at a stage where you need to buy wow tokens to buy flasks for each week raid |
| 16:18.38 | VIad | :p |
| 16:18.45 | Ressy | o.O |
| 16:18.50 | nevcairiel | hopefully that fixes itself next week |
| 16:18.50 | VIad | 5 flasks and 30 pots for progress nights |
| 16:18.59 | Ressy | Few hours of farming, and you can make all the flasks and pots you need. |
| 16:19.01 | Ammako | how much gold is that total |
| 16:19.11 | nevcairiel | super cheap pots become available and a vendor for herbs |
| 16:19.15 | VIad | if I was dps I'd need the dps flask, that's 3.5k per flask |
| 16:19.21 | VIad | pots are around 1k or 1.5k |
| 16:19.24 | Ressy | Really? damn |
| 16:19.37 | nevcairiel | you know stamina flasks as tank really arent that great |
| 16:19.51 | Ressy | I guess something like this pisses you off then: https://twitter.com/RessyM/status/787974540907384832 |
| 16:19.55 | nevcairiel | doesnt help to reduce damage taken |
| 16:20.04 | VIad | no |
| 16:20.07 | VIad | I rarely use flasks |
| 16:20.12 | VIad | I got some in case |
| 16:20.25 | Ammako | and here my herbalist is still lv 91 :p |
| 16:20.30 | nevcairiel | i'm a herbalist, i take everything =p |
| 16:20.38 | VIad | my old main is alch/herb |
| 16:20.42 | VIad | but cba to play it :/ |
| 16:20.43 | VIad | no time |
| 16:21.17 | nevcairiel | but anyway 7.1 adds a vendor for Blood to Herbs, and a new alchemy recipe for a new dps potion, 20 pots from one Blood, should be relatively cheap |
| 16:21.20 | VIad | I dont consider it a fun aspect of the game, to log an alt just to farm for hours |
| 16:21.36 | Ressy | The herb wqs help too. |
| 16:22.16 | nevcairiel | the starlight rose wqs are a joke "collect 10 of this quest-herb, and i'll give you 5 of the real herb" well geez, thanks! |
| 16:22.19 | VIad | I am afraid its a bit too late as the dick taste in my mouth is still there after this insane period. also engineering has no new handy stuff at all. >_> |
| 16:22.29 | nevcairiel | i can collect 5 in the time it took to do the WQ anyway |
| 16:22.48 | VIad | blizz might as well just have added one engineering skill that was only there to skill it to 800 and nothing more. |
| 16:22.57 | VIad | reaves is the only interesting thing and he sucks |
| 16:23.05 | Ressy | I'm stuck at 787 or so alchemy, and everything is grey. |
| 16:23.13 | nevcairiel | the gunpowder charges are a decent cheapo alternative to dps pots |
| 16:23.36 | VIad | that is nothing lol |
| 16:23.42 | VIad | like 380k damage |
| 16:23.43 | nevcairiel | (contrary to their tooltip, they scale with the characters stats to some degree) |
| 16:23.49 | VIad | >_> |
| 16:23.57 | Ammako | i ditched engineering for leatherworking |
| 16:24.11 | Ammako | fits better with what i changed my character into anyway |
| 16:24.42 | nevcairiel | Ressy: that part sucks, have to wait for a 3 flask to get 800, but unless you're a guild alchemist wanting to make the cauldrons for teh guild, its really also not quite urgent to get there |
| 16:24.55 | VIad | I feel like most of the crafts in engineering have no real usability - legion once |
| 16:25.09 | Ammako | the only reason i want an engineer is just so i can make goblin gliders instead of having to buy lol |
| 16:25.17 | VIad | you can make a 805 relic that costs fuck all and you get better one in your first normal dungeon wtf? |
| 16:25.29 | nevcairiel | one of my 100 alts is engineer to make those <.< |
| 16:25.32 | VIad | Ammako: all the pre-legion stuff are good |
| 16:25.37 | Ressy | I'm currently making flasks for a guildy with his mats.. He offered gold, and I said no.. I need rank 3, and if one of his gives me it, I'll happily give him gold. |
| 16:25.56 | VIad | legion really dropped the ball on engineering |
| 16:26.00 | Ressy | I can't get to the dang cauldron til I'm 800.. |
| 16:26.04 | nevcairiel | i have seen people offer as much as 20k as a reward to proccing rank 3 |
| 16:26.08 | Ressy | Its sitting, I just can't make it. |
| 16:26.09 | VIad | and only thing inscription is good for is the books for talents |
| 16:26.27 | nevcairiel | on the other hand the cauldron is at least midly underwhelming |
| 16:26.51 | Ammako | whatts the point of crafted relics? |
| 16:26.58 | nevcairiel | the only real use is getting rank 3 cauldron and hoping for it to proc as well, resulting in huge savings |
| 16:27.02 | modernist | selling them for spare change |
| 16:27.11 | nevcairiel | alts, i guess? |
| 16:27.15 | VIad | you can disenchant them |
| 16:27.17 | nevcairiel | 805 is really low |
| 16:27.29 | Ammako | like i mean i guess its good for starting out if you dont have anything else |
| 16:27.43 | Ammako | but i feel like getting relics higher than 805 is just a bit too easy, might as wel get +24 greens |
| 16:27.46 | Seeker | VIad: What does mastery do for you? |
| 16:27.57 | VIad | you even need infernal brimstone and blood of sargeras to craft the 805 relic |
| 16:28.02 | VIad | and 12 demonsteel bars |
| 16:28.15 | Ammako | which one |
| 16:28.16 | VIad | by the time you ran dungeons and got a 815 one from normal |
| 16:28.18 | Stanzilla | crafted relics are useless |
| 16:28.21 | Stanzilla | cant even be upgraded |
| 16:28.21 | VIad | the felic |
| 16:28.25 | Ammako | ew |
| 16:28.35 | Ammako | blacksmithing one only uses like 6 demonsteel bar |
| 16:28.36 | VIad | my mastery Seeker adds more dmg mitigation on top of my "rune tap" demon spikes |
| 16:28.50 | Seeker | VIad: What sort of fight did you sim on simc? |
| 16:29.02 | VIad | T19H one patchwerk style? |
| 16:29.22 | VIad | if I didnt pick anything it would put the fluffy bunny |
| 16:29.25 | Seeker | That might be why AMR gives different results. Ursoc is a really spiky fight, I don't think patchwerk was |
| 16:29.47 | VIad | so how the fuck do I make a average boss fight? |
| 16:29.54 | VIad | if each sim has their own type as default |
| 16:29.55 | Seeker | good question :) |
| 16:30.04 | Ammako | but people buy those relics so i wont complain |
| 16:30.09 | nevcairiel | mhm the new ursoc sim from AMR seems to make much more sense then the old ones i had |
| 16:30.13 | VIad | Ammako: are you fucking with me? |
| 16:30.23 | Ammako | why |
| 16:30.30 | Seeker | VIad: Look at what the 'average' type of incoming damage is for this tier, try to use something close to that |
| 16:30.32 | VIad | you can literally do anything dungeon and get a 815 or higher >_> |
| 16:31.03 | VIad | Seeker: you mean put the boss to normal mode instead of heroic? |
| 16:31.10 | Ammako | https://puu.sh/rM9V1/7305a120e0.jpg |
| 16:31.24 | VIad | jesus fucking christ retarded players |
| 16:31.31 | VIad | just do some dungeons and get better gear |
| 16:31.33 | Ammako | sold a bunch 4-5 though, i think one 6k |
| 16:31.57 | VIad | literally 3k gold out the window if you ask me |
| 16:32.23 | Ammako | i agree |
| 16:32.56 | Seeker | VIad: I mean a lot of the damage in ursoc comes in a big burst every 10 seconds or so. Other fights have more consistent smaller amounts of damage. The different profiles of incoming damage will change what stats are optimal |
| 16:33.17 | VIad | I think blizz did it good |
| 16:33.20 | VIad | with the tank dummy |
| 16:33.26 | VIad | just at X seconds buff dummy by 10% |
| 16:33.31 | VIad | keep going until X deaths |
| 16:33.35 | VIad | and sim that |
| 16:34.09 | VIad | its easier to compare than totally different dmg fights |
| 16:34.21 | VIad | atm you just compare two totally different fights |
| 16:34.29 | Seeker | don't compare two different fights then :P |
| 16:34.31 | VIad | and use those fights as baseline for all bosses |
| 16:34.37 | VIad | AMR has only ursoc-heroic boss |
| 16:34.45 | VIad | simc has only the T19M/H/N/L profiles |
| 16:34.59 | Seeker | you can write your own for simc relatively easily |
| 16:35.01 | VIad | there is no tank dummy profile that both share for cross referencing |
| 16:35.14 | VIad | gonna google ursoc heroic for simc then |
| 16:36.32 | nevcairiel | the results from the ursoc H sim seem decent for me from AMR |
| 16:36.38 | nevcairiel | even suggesting the normal trinkets |
| 16:37.16 | VIad | AMR suggested 60 armor rating, and 6 for mastery and versitility |
| 16:37.20 | VIad | I guess it sounds right? :p |
| 16:37.32 | VIad | just a huge disparity between all the other weights and the armor one |
| 16:37.39 | VIad | looks really wrong :p |
| 16:37.44 | VIad | face value |
| 16:37.47 | Seeker | The magnitude of the disparity is similar to the simc one |
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| 16:38.00 | nevcairiel | mine says 16 armor, and 0.7 for the nex tnormal stat |
| 16:38.08 | nevcairiel | but the suggestions in items seem quite normal |
| 16:38.23 | VIad | simc one also valued armor highly, at 6, but some other stat was like 2.5 something, not 10 times less than armor |
| 16:39.05 | VIad | AMR says it doesnt take account for legendaries, set bonuses and passives |
| 16:39.10 | VIad | in its sim stat weights |
| 16:39.16 | VIad | so unsure how to deal with that :p |
| 16:39.27 | nevcairiel | those are modelled differently, of course, since simple weights cant control those |
| 16:39.31 | VIad | ye |
| 16:40.09 | Seeker | If you want to set up an ursoc-like fight in simc, https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/SimcForTanks |
| 16:40.25 | Seeker | VIad: what is your current armor? |
| 16:40.35 | VIad | 4618, or 38.46% |
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| 16:45.17 | VIad | nevcairiel: what is yours? |
| 16:45.47 | nevcairiel | 6312, i assume it counts within bear form, which only makes sense |
| 16:45.49 | fewyn | not looking forward to leaving for work in 15m... i had all of last week off |
| 16:46.45 | VIad | and how much % is that? |
| 16:46.48 | VIad | 45%? |
| 16:46.56 | Seeker | 46.07% |
| 16:47.11 | VIad | and how much baseline avoidance do you have nevcairiel? |
| 16:47.19 | VIad | as in chance to dodge+parry |
| 16:47.28 | VIad | or to be "missed" by an attack |
| 16:47.30 | nevcairiel | bears dont parry, fool |
| 16:47.38 | nevcairiel | we would hurt our paws! |
| 16:47.51 | VIad | I expect your dodge is much lower than my dodge+parry considering armor and hp :p |
| 16:47.54 | VIad | but do tell |
| 16:48.21 | nevcairiel | 16.91 dodge and 10% damage reduction baseline |
| 16:48.29 | VIad | yeah |
| 16:48.36 | VIad | I am at 13% dodge and 12% parry |
| 16:48.52 | nevcairiel | i get dodge from crit, but crit is still my weakest stat, so not really taking it |
| 16:48.54 | VIad | 25% chance to avoid a hit - is it healthy to think of it like that? |
| 16:48.55 | nevcairiel | but still have some |
| 16:49.26 | VIad | my AM practically adds +20% parry for 6 seconds |
| 16:49.28 | nevcairiel | but i can easily pump my armor DR up to 70-80% |
| 16:49.50 | nevcairiel | (although 80 only for bursts, not enough rage to do that all the time) |
| 16:49.58 | VIad | I only get mine up to 45% avoidance and 42% extra physical dmg reduction |
| 16:50.07 | Simca_ | TheDanW: is the removal of GetPlayerFacing in latest build a bug? i assume so, but just checking |
| 16:50.23 | VIad | my problem is more lack of recharges :/ so thats why haste is important for DH too |
| 16:50.39 | nevcairiel | my primary AM is powered only by rage, no cooldown |
| 16:50.44 | VIad | 14 sec recharge, 2 charges, 6 seconds, leaves me with gaps |
| 16:50.48 | Seeker | VIad: http://i.imgur.com/zFkRyM3.png Thats what the armor curve looks like |
| 16:50.50 | VIad | and you get plenty of rage :p |
| 16:50.56 | nevcairiel | well not as much as we would want to! |
| 16:51.07 | VIad | I barely get any pain from taking dmg in the face |
| 16:51.12 | nevcairiel | in raids its often fine, but on m+ dungeon bosses, it can leave something to be desired |
| 16:51.24 | nevcairiel | majority of the reg is from hitting, only warriors really get much from being hit |
| 16:51.32 | nevcairiel | but still notice it |
| 16:51.33 | VIad | xavius can hit me for 800k in the face without any defensives up, like 15 pain, not even enough for a soul cleave :p |
| 16:51.46 | VIad | ironically since DH tanks use PAIN to tank |
| 16:51.53 | VIad | apparently they dont feel much pain :p |
| 16:52.05 | VIad | probably too much drugs, ruined their nervous system |
| 16:53.40 | VIad | lets see what nomi burned today |
| 16:53.54 | VIad | worst way to skill cooking tbh |
| 16:53.57 | VIad | let me cook and fail |
| 16:54.48 | VIad | btw this is amazing - QUIET :d http://ss.bool.no/capture_1476723283.png |
| 16:55.09 | VIad | Sounds\Creature\The_Great_Akazamzarak\*.ogg all empty sound files |
| 16:55.28 | VIad | + addon to filter chat bubbles and chat and we are in business. done the same to old dalaran ofc. |
| 16:55.56 | Ammako | as you can see, i have absolutely nothing up my sleeve |
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| 16:57.27 | VIad | hope they add more stuff for him in 7.1 |
| 16:57.37 | VIad | otherwise it's a total waste of fucking potential and effort |
| 16:57.51 | VIad | you set it up to be a fun thing to watch but only have 1 gig on it |
| 16:57.56 | VIad | and a bunch of talk that are no tricks |
| 16:58.15 | nevcairiel | i think he has 2 tricks |
| 16:58.50 | Ammako | on halloween theyre gonna give him treats |
| 16:58.51 | VIad | the card trick and the |
| 16:59.55 | Seeker | VIad: It seems that Armor basically gives you a linear increase in the amount of physical damage you can take. Each 100 points of armor means you can take ~1.35% of your base health as damage |
| 17:00.04 | Seeker | Other stats will be sub-linear |
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| 17:00.26 | Unkle | STATION! |
| 17:02.26 | TheDanW | Simca_: pretty sure thats intended |
| 17:02.58 | Simca_ | flat-out removal and not instance restriction? |
| 17:03.42 | Simca_ | I mean, it breaks TomTom, which is one of the most popular and loved addons out there and has nothing to do with instances |
| 17:04.06 | Seeker | what? no more tomtom?! |
| 17:04.14 | nevcairiel | also cant make any addons adapt to rotating minimap anymore |
| 17:04.35 | nevcairiel | (rotating minimap is crazy anyway!) |
| 17:04.57 | TheDanW | i didn't work on the unit position/facing removal stuff directly, let me double check |
| 17:05.55 | Seeker | Not having something like tomtom will make parts of the game incredibly frustrating |
| 17:06.25 | foxlit | That is a rather dramatic overstatement. |
| 17:06.29 | Thunder_Child | There are people that don't use tomtom and still manage to get by. |
| 17:06.46 | Ammako | rotating minimap ftw |
| 17:07.21 | Simca_ | it's hard to understate how much hate blizzard will get for the change from reddit and similar communities of mostly casual people who love tomtom |
| 17:07.48 | Seeker | foxlit: not really. There are some quests that really are a pain to complete without tomtom. Like the WQ that tells you to go somewhere on the minimap, when what it means is "the mob is floating in a building above this point, you want to go to the portal 100 yards that way" |
| 17:08.04 | nevcairiel | we were mostly assured these changes are not supposed to touch out-in-the-world map addons |
| 17:08.16 | nevcairiel | would be rather disappointing if some change is going back on this |
| 17:08.31 | Simca_ | a literally last-minute change, too |
| 17:08.39 | foxlit | Simca_: it's been gone for quite a while. |
| 17:08.46 | Ammako | would it still be able to place coordinates on world map though? |
| 17:08.54 | nevcairiel | yeah just no arrow |
| 17:09.02 | nevcairiel | and no usable minimap blips if you use rotating minimap |
| 17:09.02 | Ammako | so its only a small inconvenience |
| 17:09.13 | foxlit | and shifting from relative directions to absolute directions is hardly the end of the world. |
| 17:09.28 | Ammako | its not like it 100% breaks the ability to have waypoints |
| 17:09.32 | Ammako | if it did that would be a lot worse |
| 17:09.55 | Simca_ | it breaks the ability to fly to a waypoint without having your map open |
| 17:10.14 | nevcairiel | but the minimap change is rather annoying, how do you properly explain to players that it doesnt work when they have rotating minimap on, all you can tell them is "Blizzard broke it", which then leads again to more complaints |
| 17:10.22 | Ammako | yeah |
| 17:11.24 | Ammako | man i wouldnt want to imagine, authors for some of the more popular addons would just continually get complaints for players that this isnt working |
| 17:11.38 | Ammako | and no matter how many times they would try to explain there's always going to be more who wont read or wont see it |
| 17:12.05 | foxlit | spoiler: addon comment sections are mostly ignorable :) |
| 17:12.56 | Ammako | if you dont want to care about seeing and fixing actual problems or adding features you didnt think of i guess |
| 17:13.36 | TheDanW | it seems like it would be safe to keep a facing function if its gated similar to unitposition, i'll talk to the engineer that made the change |
| 17:14.01 | Simca_ | thanks TheDanW |
| 17:14.25 | nevcairiel | hopefully you guys can also sneak that in final 7.1 |
| 17:14.25 | Simca_ | should save Blizzard a lot of upset people |
| 17:15.01 | foxlit | fwiw, you can implement tomtom's arrow without GetPlayerFacing in 7.1. |
| 17:15.15 | nevcairiel | and how is that? |
| 17:15.26 | foxlit | the same way world map implements the player heading arrow. |
| 17:17.32 | Seeker | doesn't that just point from your current location on the map to the point you're trying to get to? |
| 17:17.34 | nevcairiel | by rotating one of their fancy new frames? sounds rather iffy |
| 17:18.08 | foxlit | no, by having their fancy frames rotate your arrow to point in the right direction. |
| 17:18.39 | nevcairiel | how do you tell it to point anywhere but in the players direction |
| 17:19.37 | foxlit | Change the texture to point elsewhere. |
| 17:20.07 | nevcairiel | so you have 360 textures and change them in OnUpdate? =p |
| 17:20.15 | TheDanW | looks like it was an oversight, i'm adding GetPlayerFacing back for 7.1 with similar restrictions to UnitPosition |
| 17:20.27 | nevcairiel | neat, thanks |
| 17:20.30 | Simca_ | thanks much |
| 17:20.30 | Seeker | TheDanW: \o/ |
| 17:20.45 | Ammako | i prefer PC textures |
| 17:27.32 | Stanzilla | that was bad and you should feel bad |
| 17:27.43 | Ammako | :) |
| 17:35.40 | VIad | oh god this is the worst COS group I have had |
| 17:35.47 | VIad | m+5 just wanted to test my addon :p |
| 17:35.59 | VIad | they acted like they had no fucking clue what the dungeon is about |
| 17:36.04 | VIad | literally felt like it was their first time |
| 17:36.16 | VIad | rogue stealthing near dogs getting aggro |
| 17:36.25 | VIad | no one disabling the towers |
| 17:36.46 | VIad | no concept of efficiently killing a group by keeping the elite robot interrupted when he heals, I was doing it for the supression one |
| 17:37.07 | nevcairiel | my healer in wardens+5 failed last night and cost us the second chest, right at the end boss at that, apparently he didnt know how the walking walls worked, got killed by it, reincarnated right there (shaman) and got walked over by the same wall - again! |
| 17:37.12 | nevcairiel | without healy we didnt make it :( |
| 17:37.19 | VIad | :( |
| 17:37.38 | VIad | I don't understand why you insist doing a m+ run and no clue about any mechanics of the dungeon |
| 17:37.42 | nevcairiel | his second death also kicked his corpose of the platform, of course |
| 17:37.47 | VIad | haven't you done heroic and normal mythic before? |
| 17:37.53 | nevcairiel | and the thingys dont fly corpses up :p |
| 17:37.56 | Ammako | cat is pushing all my stuff off my desk |
| 17:37.57 | VIad | some people seriously have to... git gud |
| 17:40.01 | foxlit | stress makes people make silly mistakes |
| 17:40.19 | foxlit | "oh crap I died better res and hope nobody notices." |
| 17:40.21 | nevcairiel | stress is just a sign of lack of experience |
| 17:41.48 | Seeker | some people in my guild were complaining about all the adds on the first boss of CoS the other day |
| 17:43.31 | foxlit | The phrase "went to hell in a handbasket" accurately describes how one of my CoS groups today handled the first real trash pull in that instance. |
| 17:44.42 | foxlit | people charging scout pulled the wyrms, the scout pulled the beacon group, and in the confusion, the stuff inside the building joined in. |
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| 17:45.46 | nevcairiel | the building stuff was probably the real problem |
| 17:45.48 | nevcairiel | the cats are evil |
| 17:46.05 | foxlit | somewhat surprisingly we lived through it. |
| 17:47.38 | foxlit | (the cats are evil!) |
| 17:48.28 | VIad | COS is piss easy |
| 17:48.30 | VIad | :d |
| 17:48.40 | VIad | only "difficult" part is the random spawns on stuff |
| 17:49.24 | nevcairiel | only thing in CoS needing some sort of handling is the imps |
| 17:49.33 | nevcairiel | if you have like an AoE silence or AoE stun its fine |
| 17:49.51 | nevcairiel | without it, it can end in a death |
| 17:49.57 | VIad | I got aoe silence on my DH tank |
| 17:50.04 | VIad | but the dps didnt kill the imps fast enough |
| 17:50.08 | VIad | its a 5 seconds silence |
| 17:50.19 | nevcairiel | maybe you used it too early |
| 17:50.24 | nevcairiel | dont pull with it :p |
| 17:50.40 | VIad | when they die in 20 seconds does it mater? |
| 17:50.45 | VIad | ,_, |
| 17:50.50 | VIad | you got stuns man, use them! |
| 17:50.53 | nevcairiel | probably not, 20 seconds is pretty long |
| 17:50.59 | VIad | dps be like "its k bro dw" |
| 17:51.15 | nevcairiel | but its a common mistake to CC them too early, do it when their first cast is almost through |
| 17:51.23 | VIad | y I agree |
| 17:51.25 | nevcairiel | although timing the rune with activating timer is probably annoying |
| 17:51.27 | VIad | they always fireball first |
| 17:51.42 | VIad | could be, with talent I use in dungeons it's 1 sec |
| 17:51.44 | VIad | without talent its 2 :p |
| 17:51.47 | VIad | so 1 sec is enough |
| 17:51.52 | VIad | they fireball for 2 sec anyway |
| 17:52.50 | VIad | btw prat playernames module if realid color is set to class the people outside the game have no name :p |
| 17:53.04 | VIad | been like that for ages |
| 17:53.09 | VIad | is no one using prat? :'( |
| 17:53.34 | nevcairiel | not me |
| 17:55.21 | VIad | :'( |
| 17:55.33 | VIad | I will fix the module myself and PM the maintainer |
| 17:55.34 | Thunder_Child | I use prat. |
| 17:55.38 | VIad | author probably bailed on prat years ago |
| 17:56.04 | Simca_ | i use prat |
| 17:56.34 | Thunder_Child | It was updated 15 days ago. |
| 17:57.19 | MiR4i | sylvanaar is the author and is in the channel |
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| 18:00.22 | Fisker | I am confused Cairenn :( |
| 18:00.36 | Cairenn | Pleased to meet you confused |
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| 18:01.39 | Ammako | thts my joke :c |
| 18:02.38 | Thunder_Child | Great, dad jokes. |
| 18:04.05 | Yoshimo | can you get the itemtypes with lua that are marked with light blue on an items tooltip? is there something like "istoy" or so? |
| 18:04.06 | Thunder_Child | Although I think since there was no comma between confused and Cairenn it should be "Pleased to meet you confused Cairenn". |
| 18:04.16 | Cairenn | point |
| 18:05.34 | xmyno | eehhrr what? http://i.imgur.com/HILCMeM.png |
| 18:05.38 | Fisker | I tried to convince an american that there was Z in the alphabet Cairenn :( |
| 18:05.39 | Fisker | :((( |
| 18:05.41 | VIad | sylvanaar: can you fix the one module? playernames. if realid is set to color by class it fails if the realid guy isnt in wow :( |
| 18:05.53 | Cairenn | ... there is |
| 18:06.02 | Thunder_Child | Well in CA it's a 'zed'. |
| 18:06.09 | Cairenn | corect |
| 18:06.33 | Fisker | I even told him that |
| 18:07.05 | foxlit | have you tried asking them to recite the alphabet backwards? |
| 18:07.13 | Fisker | he said "I don't know any of your weird eastern european languages so I can't help you" |
| 18:07.22 | Fisker | oh good point foxlit |
| 18:07.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:07.36 | Fisker | (PS. the name was of an american) |
| 18:08.01 | foxlit | Cairenn: could you add me to the dinner list? :) |
| 18:08.07 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 18:08.12 | foxlit | Thank you! |
| 18:08.19 | Thunder_Child | She isn't going to, but she can. |
| 18:08.23 | Cairenn | np |
| 18:09.17 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: thought about saying that ;) |
| 18:09.42 | foxlit | It's a common format for requests, though, so that would just be being too Thunder_Child for normal poeple :) |
| 18:10.50 | Simca_ | tbh i would have expected it from foxlit, maybe that was the meta joke |
| 18:11.05 | Thunder_Child | Well I'll be at the dinner in full Thunder_Child mode. |
| 18:12.52 | Thunder_Child | Simca_: I am more of a pedant than foxlit. |
| 18:12.58 | Fisker | Well I'll be there with my weird eastern european alphabet |
| 18:13.07 | Fisker | maybe |
| 18:13.10 | Fisker | Rødgrød med fløde |
| 18:13.32 | Thunder_Child | You mean Cyrillic? |
| 18:13.44 | Fisker | Nope |
| 18:14.58 | Ammako | maybe we can destroy the burning legion with a bucket of water |
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| 18:17.24 | Thunder_Child | Then they would just be Legion. |
| 18:17.39 | foxlit | not if some of them drown. |
| 18:17.52 | Yoshimo | the exstinguished legion, sounds boring ;9 |
| 18:24.07 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/cfthv |
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| 18:50.58 | Ammako | and another terrorspike |
| 18:54.18 | foxlit | hm, I thought there'd be more Illidan quests |
| 18:54.40 | Rythal | don't suppose anyone has needed to rent a wheel chair in anaheim and can recommend a company for it |
| 18:56.04 | Ammako | you illidone with them already? |
| 18:56.20 | kd3 | hey Unkle, rythal's looking for an anaheim wheelchair rental recommendation |
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| 18:59.16 | Thunder_Child | ...thanks kd3, now I have a mental image of Rythal riding around in Unkle's lap the entire weekend. |
| 18:59.55 | Thunder_Child | s/in/on/ |
| 19:00.04 | Thunder_Child | ...fml |
| 19:00.49 | Ammako | lmao |
| 19:02.30 | bshelden | >.> |
| 19:05.03 | Rythal | heh, it's not for me so I don't need to ride on his lap.. not even sure I'll need it since my neice thinks it would uncool to be pushed around in it all weekend |
| 19:06.28 | Seeker | It's nice being able to code. Couldn't find any LFG tools I liked, so I changed one to do what I wanted :D |
| 19:07.08 | Thunder_Child | Rythal: I'm sure she would be fine if it looked like https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e1/f0/94/e1f0941bb3fb3ba77e9453c3a6b2ed21.jpg |
| 19:16.21 | Simca_ | foxlit: a friend who uses ElvUI, Opie, and one of my addons (BattlePetBinds) has the weird issue where, after a pet battle, his opie key binding doesn't work |
| 19:17.05 | Simca_ | but it still works fine for elvUI and everywhere else |
| 19:19.58 | Cairenn | Okay all my darling geeks, I need a favour. |
| 19:20.21 | Thunder_Child | This should be interesting. |
| 19:20.23 | kd3 | uh oh |
| 19:20.33 | Fisker | Oh? |
| 19:20.34 | Cairenn | Anyone in here an Android geek, might be able to root a phone for me? |
| 19:20.57 | Simca_ | sounds like a job for Fisker |
| 19:21.19 | Fisker | Depends on the phone |
| 19:21.27 | Cairenn | Samsung Galaxy S5 |
| 19:21.43 | Fisker | But probably bootloader locked version |
| 19:22.12 | Cairenn | Probably |
| 19:22.12 | Fisker | But towelroot might work |
| 19:22.16 | nevcairiel | an accurate model number might help |
| 19:22.38 | nevcairiel | in settings -> device info |
| 19:22.39 | nevcairiel | usually |
| 19:22.52 | Cairenn | I can't get into any of that, that's the problem |
| 19:23.14 | nevcairiel | well you cant root a phone if you cant even open its settings |
| 19:23.14 | Fisker | Model number is on the battery I think |
| 19:23.33 | nevcairiel | at the very least you need to go into the settings and enable USB debugging |
| 19:23.40 | nevcairiel | not sure what you can do without that |
| 19:23.42 | Fisker | Yeah if your device is like pretty bricked you need bootloader access |
| 19:23.50 | Cairenn | I have the original box it came in, lots of numbers on it, not sure which one is model number |
| 19:24.01 | nevcairiel | SM-G9xxx |
| 19:24.03 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 19:24.21 | Cairenn | SMG900VZKV |
| 19:24.40 | nevcairiel | so a verizon US version |
| 19:24.45 | Cairenn | yes |
| 19:24.54 | Cairenn | precisely the problem |
| 19:25.28 | Cairenn | just got off the phone with them, it is 'hard wired' to verizon, ie their operating system etc, so only way to unlock it is rooting it |
| 19:25.57 | nevcairiel | and you cant even start it to get to the settings? guess it needs network access or something? |
| 19:26.07 | Fisker | So you can't even get into the OS? |
| 19:26.14 | Cairenn | sec |
| 19:26.43 | nevcairiel | most info I can find says that you can root it with towelroot, but only on 4.4, not 5.0 -- unless that was improved since this info was written |
| 19:26.58 | Cairenn | I can do 'recovery booting', which let me get to the wipe data/factory rest, which we tried |
| 19:27.34 | Fisker | Basically I don't think you can do anything of significance if you can't get in the OS |
| 19:27.52 | Fisker | Verizon is pretty strict on that |
| 19:28.01 | Cairenn | it says I can reboot to bootloader? |
| 19:28.23 | Fisker | Yeah but you probably can't do anything with it |
| 19:28.24 | Cairenn | it was the verizon lady that said it can be rooted |
| 19:28.32 | Fisker | O_o |
| 19:28.36 | kd3 | ! |
| 19:28.37 | Cairenn | I just have to find someone that can do it :p |
| 19:28.53 | nevcairiel | the verizon people would tell you that? how odd |
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| 19:29.14 | Cairenn | yeah, well, she was being helpful |
| 19:29.46 | nevcairiel | what happens if you try to start the phone normally? |
| 19:29.55 | Cairenn | "mount / system" is one of the options on this menu |
| 19:29.57 | nevcairiel | does it just get stuck and complain about a missing sim or something? |
| 19:30.10 | Cairenn | says it isn't a verizon sim and fuck you |
| 19:30.14 | Fisker | http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5/general/safely-upgrade-root-4-4-4-nha-volte-t2879348 suggests it might be possible if you're on the right version |
| 19:30.22 | nevcairiel | is that with yours in or none in? |
| 19:30.27 | Cairenn | mine |
| 19:30.32 | nevcairiel | did you try none? :) |
| 19:30.36 | Cairenn | no |
| 19:30.37 | Fisker | But requires you to actually get into the phone |
| 19:30.57 | nevcairiel | maybe the check is dumb and only hates on others, but lets none pass |
| 19:31.02 | Fisker | Well Samsung had the really annoying SIM check for EU models too |
| 19:31.03 | Rythal | even with the message it should still work, I had a verizon S5 running on bell and just ignored the message... until I was able to root it |
| 19:31.15 | Cairenn | lets try it with no sim |
| 19:31.19 | Cairenn | sec |
| 19:31.47 | Thunder_Child | Should work |
| 19:31.53 | Thunder_Child | All of our phones work with no sims |
| 19:32.03 | Thunder_Child | And we have ~20. |
| 19:32.25 | Unkle | I used Apple Scooter. |
| 19:32.40 | Unkle | kd3 |
| 19:32.46 | kd3 | Rythal: ^ |
| 19:32.48 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 19:32.59 | Rythal | Look in apps list for "Setup Wizard" and force stop it if you wanna get rid of the message about non-verizon sim card |
| 19:33.06 | Unkle | Which reminds me, I need to book one. |
| 19:33.13 | Unkle | :( |
| 19:33.19 | Rythal | Thanks Unkle, what sort of pricing did they charge for the rental? |
| 19:33.35 | Unkle | For the 4 days I needed it, about $100. |
| 19:34.23 | Cairenn | "Your phone needs a SIM card to work. blah blah, turn off phone, insert, blah blah" |
| 19:34.41 | Unkle | Rythal: https://applescooter.com/ |
| 19:35.29 | Rythal | Cairenn: force stop the app "setup wizard" that will remove the notice about non-verizon, and it should operate with your sim card |
| 19:35.44 | Cairenn | can't get to it |
| 19:36.08 | Cairenn | whoa |
| 19:36.24 | Cairenn | "a custom os can cause critical problems ..." |
| 19:36.34 | kd3 | ./eyeroll |
| 19:36.44 | Rythal | psh, more like, a custom os can make it so you pay us less money |
| 19:37.12 | Fisker | How'd you get to that message Cairenn ? |
| 19:37.18 | Cairenn | with no sim, doing the recovery boot gave me that |
| 19:37.58 | Cairenn | potential woot? |
| 19:38.14 | Fisker | Sounds weird yeah |
| 19:38.25 | Rythal | what kernel version is your android? |
| 19:38.34 | Fisker | But I don't have Samsung devices so don't know if they write that |
| 19:38.34 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 19:38.38 | Fisker | Got a picture? |
| 19:38.55 | Fisker | She won't know until she gets in Rythal |
| 19:39.23 | Cairenn | Well, it currently says it is |
| 19:39.45 | Rythal | they updated the sim-lock then :/ when I got mine it was just an annoying notice in the task bar about unauthorized sim card detected |
| 19:40.41 | Fisker | Yeah I know my dad's galaxy requires an EU SIM too not exactly sure why they do that here |
| 19:41.53 | Cairenn | Odin Mode |
| 19:41.53 | Cairenn | Product name |
| 19:41.53 | Cairenn | curent binary: samsung official |
| 19:41.53 | Cairenn | system status: offical |
| 19:41.53 | Cairenn | reactivation lock: off |
| 19:41.53 | Cairenn | qualcomm secureboot: enable (csb) |
| 19:41.53 | Cairenn | ap swrev: s1, t2, a1, a2, p1 |
| 19:41.54 | Cairenn | secure download: enable |
| 19:41.54 | Cairenn | udc start |
| 19:41.55 | Cairenn | then a pic of the android robot, then under that "downloading, do not turn off target" |
| 19:42.38 | Cairenn | so no idea what it's doing, but leaving it alone for now :p |
| 19:42.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:42.53 | nevcairiel | odin is usually for flashing an image from the PC |
| 19:42.57 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 19:43.04 | Rythal | if your not connected to a computer and uploading any files to the phone it's not really doing anything and you can reboot it :P |
| 19:43.09 | Fisker | Isn't doing anything if I recall correctly |
| 19:43.13 | Fisker | It's always saying that |
| 19:43.33 | Cairenn | so ... this would be how I'd root it though, yes? |
| 19:43.47 | Fisker | If the bootloader was unlocked yeah |
| 19:43.47 | nevcairiel | if the device is appropriately prepared before |
| 19:43.54 | Fisker | You would flash an image with root |
| 19:44.32 | Rythal | depending how old the phone is there is no bootloader unlocking for the s5, first versions can be manipulated to think they are dev devices |
| 19:45.26 | bshelden | Has anybody recently tried to fly with an older samsung note? I have a 5 and it doesn't really look different from the 7. |
| 19:45.32 | Cairenn | well, it did give me the option of rebooting to the bootloader |
| 19:46.27 | Fisker | You can boot into it but you can't flash anything |
| 19:46.50 | Fisker | And all the exploits require access first :( |
| 19:50.02 | Rythal | Verizons S5 was a pain in the ass :/ I only managed to unlock and root mine 2 weeks before I went to the S7, and that was only because I was fortunate enough to have the model that could be tricked into thinking it was a developer phone. |
| 19:52.45 | Unkle | I just booked my scooter on their web site. |
| 19:57.18 | zenzelezz | Unkle: faster and harder? |
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| 20:28.41 | Ammako | when you slow a mob because of nightblade, does that trigger the cc legendary ring |
| 20:39.12 | Cairenn | HAH! You guys all rock, you know that? |
| 20:39.44 | Thunder_Child | Those of us in earthquake country do. |
| 20:39.50 | Cairenn | Hehehe |
| 20:40.58 | Cairenn | Fisker was able to find a video that let me get it to think it was a tablet, so I was able to get into it, then I could go and turn off the settings wizard like Rythal suggested and now I can use my SIM card and it works. |
| 20:41.29 | Thunder_Child | Cool. |
| 20:41.53 | Cairenn | I still want to root the damn thing to get the verizon stuff off there completely, and get it switched over to GSM instead of CDMA, but at least I can use it now |
| 21:03.17 | Ammako | can we have southshore vs tarren mill back |
| 21:05.49 | VIad | Semlar: amazing dialog writing :p http://ss.bool.no/capture_1476738346.png |
| 21:07.06 | Unkle | zenzelezz: Let's keep it PG-13, ok? |
| 21:14.49 | Ammako | lol we can get rested exp for honor? |
| 21:15.38 | modernist | VIad â have you tried using ForceGossip() in your order hall |
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| 21:52.30 | VIad | modernist: what does thatdo? |
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| 22:00.13 | Ammako | lol why do we still get lv 100 gear from ashran at 110 |
| 22:20.07 | modernist | VIad: adds back old interstitial flavour text in gossip frames |
| 22:21.11 | modernist | i think it has been considered, uh, deprecated this expansion |
| 22:21.14 | modernist | http://i.pi.gy/8KQv.png |
| 22:21.24 | modernist | there's a couple that spew errors |
| 22:23.56 | modernist | http://i.pi.gy/VrkL.png |
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| 22:26.06 | znf | I hate Java so much |
| 22:30.29 | Ammako | Java4Ever |
| 22:33.27 | Mr_Rabies | man i am astounded every time i get lucky enough to log in during the day |
| 22:33.33 | Mr_Rabies | the game looks so much better then :( |
| 22:40.22 | znf | I'm gonna pug Mythic EN |
| 22:40.37 | xyphoid | ingame daytime? yeah i wish i could just turn off ingame night |
| 22:45.40 | Semlar | i wish i could pug mythic EN, i don't understand why you can't do mythics cross-realm |
| 22:50.14 | Mr_Rabies | i understand it for the initial race maybe |
| 22:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | but after like a month probably okay to open it up |
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| 22:56.30 | Ssateneth | made a ticket for ya mr Torhal on ackid recipe list: enchanting |
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| 23:06.47 | Torhal | I blame Ressy. |
| 23:06.49 | Torhal | >.> |
| 23:08.32 | mckenziemc | de-resses Torhal. |
| 23:08.55 | Torhal | degausses mckenziemc. |
| 23:09.24 | mckenziemc | de-ionizes Torhal. |
| 23:09.40 | Torhal | de-mckenziemcs mckenziemc. |
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| 23:34.04 | znf | nasty blizzard |
| 23:34.26 | znf | they nerfed Walter, can't use it in Legion |
| 23:36.52 | nebula | why would you use walter over jeeves |
| 23:37.54 | nebula | oh, he was from the garrison eng building? thought you just crafted iy |
| 23:38.27 | bshelden | You didn't need to be an engy. About it. |
| 23:38.41 | bshelden | Auto hammer serves that purpose now. |
| 23:38.56 | bshelden | Though the price on those dropped below the level where I care to make them. |
| 23:39.15 | znf | nebula, when jeeves is on CD |
| 23:39.45 | znf | I can't exactly craft auto-hammer away, considering the retarded reagents required |
| 23:40.29 | bshelden | Between jeeves reaves, and my vendor mount I basically don't have a problem. |
| 23:41.01 | znf | I haven't crafted the Reaves crap |
| 23:41.05 | znf | that shit is /way/ too expensive |
| 23:41.55 | bshelden | You should probably drop the profession then. Reaves is literally the point of engy this xpack. |
| 23:42.04 | bshelden | Replace it with herbalism and sell it to the flask makers. |
| 23:42.10 | znf | nah, Reaves can suck balls |
| 23:42.20 | bshelden | There's nothing else of value. |
| 23:42.21 | znf | I have my Jeeves and my Cloak enchant and Rocket Boosts |
| 23:42.29 | znf | Only the old things are valuable |
| 23:42.42 | bshelden | Why on earth would you use the cloak enchant? There's a primary stat enchant for cloak this time around. |
| 23:42.55 | znf | ...? |
| 23:42.57 | znf | goblin glider? |
| 23:43.26 | bshelden | You bitch about mythic+, but you have a fall protection enchant on your cloak? |
| 23:44.22 | nebula | you do realize you have have both, right? |
| 23:44.28 | nebula | can have* |
| 23:44.42 | bshelden | Actually, I did not. Interesting. |
| 23:44.52 | bshelden | Thanks, nebula. *heads off to make that enchant* |
| 23:44.54 | nebula | it's technically a tinker |
| 23:45.20 | bshelden | Well, I will if I ever play my poor druid again. |
| 23:45.51 | bshelden | I've not mained a druid since BC. |
| 23:46.29 | znf | looks at bshelden and facepalms |
| 23:47.35 | bshelden | I know, admitting when I'm wrong is so shameful. |
| 23:49.08 | Corrodias | maybe the embarrassing thing is not playing a druid |
| 23:50.11 | bshelden | I was feral back then, but the spec just hasn't clicked for me since. I was a DK in wrath. Quit for Cata. Came back as a monk for MoP/WoD, and I'm a DH now. |
| 23:50.24 | Ammako | i really like legion balance |
| 23:50.54 | bshelden | I hope they can tune me in a bit better for tanking. Tone down the self heal in return for some better baseline mitigation. |
| 23:51.05 | bshelden | I demoted myself to third tank cause of that crap. |
| 23:54.56 | znf | Can't tell I took this picture at 12:35 am https://goo.gl/photos/kmkjayreaGrfudTU6 |
