IRC log for #wowuidev on 20161011

00:01.49Ammakotheir party frame in that gfycat does somethign weird
00:09.18Corrodiasi like that video, Stanzilla
00:18.24Kethoyea the dutch LuckyTV always do that kind of videos at the end of each tv show, it's funny x)
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00:27.41Semlarhow many corrupted essences do you guys have
00:27.59Semlari'm at 21
00:28.03Ammako0
00:28.24Semlarthat's not very many ammako
00:29.01Ammakoi'd even go as far as saying that it's not much at all
00:31.13ConstieI'm at 17.
00:34.31TorhalI heard Neffi -is- a corrupted essence, Semlar.
00:35.03nebulaand i thought i was pretty lucky at 18
00:36.04Ammakoi didnt even get to the point where i get that quest yet
00:38.27Ammakothis cat has taken ownership of the right edge of my screen
00:40.17GnarfozI have 10, but I haven't raided this week
00:46.59Stanzilla13
00:49.30Ammakothat's unlucky
01:10.19Semlari only got 2 essences out of heroic and they were both off of one boss
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02:05.56Ammakoyay 108
02:07.40Stanzillaon the n-th toon?
02:08.48Stanzillaor did you start only recently?
02:09.26Ammako3rd
02:09.40Ammakoi wanted that level for transmog lol
02:10.02Ammakowarhide set looks really good
02:24.14Ammakowe need more better-looking daggers
02:34.16fewynthe guy playing superman in supergirl just looks a little off
02:34.41Stanzillayes
02:34.45Stanzillahorrible casting
02:35.43Stanzillaone could say
02:35.44Stanzillasuperbad
02:35.50Semlari thought superman was a shadowy mystery figure
02:37.54fewynhe isn't on the cw
02:38.52Semlaris he stealin supergirl's spotlight
02:39.20TorhalI'm in ur show, stealin' ur spotlight.
02:39.29fewyni'm not sure
02:40.55Semlarfrom what i saw of that show, i thought the writing was awful but supergirl was a great actor
02:41.15kullervohttp://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Wow-64_2016-10-11_05-03-33.png
02:41.48kullervohe spent ~15 minutes trying to kill me like... http://i.imgur.com/VEbVazh.gif
02:42.23Semlarreported
02:42.37kullervoI completed two archeology digsites and a world quest while he kept blowing all cds vs me
02:42.44kullervo┐(´ー｀)┌
02:43.20fewynhrm do you have to do the arcway quests to open the quest line at nightfallen 20k?
02:54.26Semlarthere's an achievement for completing a mythic+ 5 but not a mythic+ 10?
02:55.08Semlarmaybe it has to be within the time limit
02:56.06Semlarit doesn't look like keystone challenger has another level to it though
02:56.25Semlaroh there's a keystone conqueror
02:57.45Semlarand one at 15
03:00.09fewynep1 of the cw version of supergirl was decent
03:23.24fewynso get me straight... glenn beck... just endorsed hillary clinton? am i in bizzaro america?
03:26.54kd3he actually endorse her just now? there was a post that got upvoted on reddit over the weekend that shocked the hell out of me
03:27.04kd3a post of his*
03:29.20fewynhttps://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/posts/10154622008673188
03:29.34kd3yah, that one
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03:59.21mckenziemcgently fiskers Fisker and hugs Cairenn.
04:08.34Cairennhugs mckenziemc
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05:47.46bluspacecow\o
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05:54.24mckenziemco/
05:54.45mckenziemccuts off bluspacecow's arm.
05:54.49mckenziemc\o/
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06:13.22bluspacecowlol
06:20.36Andols2Morning
06:22.29mckenziemcnight
06:26.17bluspacecowi am now the proud owner of a corgi in game pet
06:26.21bluspacecowguess what I named him
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06:35.54Sharparambluspacecow: bluspacecorgi?
06:38.41Andols2Bluespacedog?
06:41.04Sharparambludogcow
06:44.00bluspacecowding ding Sharparam
06:44.03bluspacecowbluspacecorgi
06:44.37bluspacecow*watchs bluspacecorgi run across a bridge*
06:44.40bluspacecowhahahahahahhahahahah
06:49.42Sharparam:O
06:49.44Sharparami won!
06:49.47Sharparamwhat do i win?
06:50.07Vecnahsalad
06:50.22Vecnahwith chicory
06:50.31Sharparamhm
06:50.39Sharparami guess i can keep that for lunch
06:51.06Vecnahbut first you got to milk the bluspacecow
06:51.52Sharparamsounds scary and dangerous
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06:55.36bluspacecowlol
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07:06.14bsheldenMaybe someone here knows.  Some addon started playing "work work" (peon voice) when I make quest progress.  I can't seem to find it.
07:06.39bsheldenErm, found it *kills with fire*
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07:09.00karl_w_wit always strikes me as weird when somebody calls a piece of music with no lyrics a "song"
07:09.17karl_w_wthen when I want to describe such a thing I don't know what to call it :P
07:10.56bsheldenInstrumental piece
07:11.15nebulajust colloquial usage
07:11.38nebulabshelden: i think just "music" would be better :p
07:11.49bsheldenTrack/Song/etc to refer to one
07:12.23nebulayea, i guess
07:12.33nebulai'll take one music, please
07:12.36bsheldenI'll take one music... damnit
07:18.22Stanzillanow I want "work" by rihanna in a peon voice
07:18.34Shockah|Worklol
07:25.41VIadhides a dropdown template inheriting frame in Stanzilla's addons
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07:28.53Torhalhides secure frames in combat in VIad's code.
07:29.32VIadruns on php. the concept of security doesn't exist.
07:29.56nebulaembeds LibLordFarlander in Torhal
07:30.20Torhal...
07:30.25TorhalSo much hate.
07:30.31Kalroth:o
07:32.35Torhalputs all of nebula's GUI code in InterfaceOptionsPanel.
07:33.31VIadthat's true evil
07:35.19nebulai'm pretty ok with that
07:36.48TorhalUser hater.
07:37.39VIadif I ever wanna do a bg I have to /reload to clear the taint :
07:37.59VIadits the only broken functionality that is not replaceable. I use grid to avoid the compact frames at all cost :p
07:39.03nebulai stopped using grid awhile ago, blizzard grid good enough for me
07:39.08VIadI wish blizz could just mark templates as private so no one else can use them and do that on everything that breaks taint stuff
07:39.18VIadnebula: taint easily breaks the blizz CRF :p
07:39.34nebuladoubtful
07:39.43nebulai taint the shit out of everything and haven't had anything break
07:39.57VIadyou probably dont have addons using dropdown templates
07:40.26nebulasure i do, and i actually add shit to the default ones
07:42.13VIadshrug then. all I know is that personally, no mater if all my addons are up to date, something taints something and breaks my bg queue actions and the CRF :p
07:42.40VIadthe taint logs usually blame a random addon that the frame couldn't call Show/Hide
07:44.31VIadI try to promote the default nameplates, but sadly too many use custom addons, elvui and shit like that
07:44.49VIadproblem: people don't see other peoples CC, stuns, silences
07:45.19VIadthe default nameplates are really good at showing you CC abilities applied and the timers, sadly with so many using addons they often just hide everything that is not theirs and only show their debuffs
07:45.29VIadI often experience overlapping CC effects
07:46.09VIadthe only annoying bit about the nameplates is that is that it can be difficult to quickly see what spells are interruptable and not :p
07:46.58Simca_ugh at APIs that don't give out currency ID
07:47.16Simca_GetQuestLogRewardCurrencyInfo still only gives out name and texture
07:48.43VIadwhats the usecase Simca_?
07:49.01TorhalWoWDB Profiler, I suspect
07:49.21Alramfilthy dataminer
07:49.28Simca_yeah, finally converting away from using texture paths
07:49.53Simca_but yeah, world quests, you can't pull the currency ID for the reward, for example
07:50.10TorhalBut you can pull Alram's hair.
07:50.36VIadSimca_: really?
07:51.11Simca_local name, texture, numItems = GetQuestLogRewardCurrencyInfo(i, questID);
07:51.44Simca_design back from ye olde days where the philosophy was that ID numbers would make addon authors' heads explode
07:52.16TorhalLittle did they know, explosions were already happening.
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07:53.48Simca_i could scan through all of the currencies at login, making a table of "name;texture" = ID and then attempt to match that way
07:54.14nebulawhy would you need both, are the names not unique?
07:54.27Simca_no, icons are not either
07:55.01Simca_that is why the quest reward API not saying ID is so exceptionally useless
07:55.56Simca_think there's only one name conflict in currencies, i forget what it is
07:55.57nebulalol, and there is http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetQuestChoiceRewardCurrency
07:56.21Simca_:<
07:56.31Simca_the consistency, whyyyyy
07:56.32VIadat least GetCurrencyInfo takes both link, probably name, and ID :p
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07:56.45Simca_it doesn't take name
07:56.48Simca_and you can't get link
07:57.08VIadI see blizz supplying GetCurrencyInfo in their calls a itemLink and currencyID
07:57.29Simca_yes, but you can't get the currency link from the quest API afaik
07:57.45VIadhmm
07:57.51Simca_it is a separate reward type
07:57.58VIadhow does the game generate the tooltip?
07:58.01VIadwhen you hover the reward
07:58.31Simca_is there even any currency reward from a WQ?
07:58.38VIadOR only I guess
07:58.54Simca_i'll check rq
07:59.45VIadwho else misses the tictactoe.lua ?
08:00.43TorhalFisker. He misses everything.
08:00.49VIad:d
08:00.58VIadSimca_: it seems AM_MissionTooltip.lua just fakes the link :p
08:01.15VIadthey just set the reward text string to show texture and amounts but its not a link
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08:01.20Simca_yep
08:01.24Simca_same in WorldMapFrame.lua
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08:01.33Simca_they add fake brackets and color the text
08:01.38VIadyes
08:01.38Simca_to pretend it's a link
08:01.44VIadphoneys!
08:01.46nebulaseems legit
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08:03.04VIadSimca_: GetQuestLogRewardInfo what does it return for currencies?
08:03.13VIadit only works for items? :(
08:03.22Simca_yes
08:03.50Simca_empty result if only reward is currency
08:03.54VIadhmm
08:03.55Simca_GetNumQuestLogRewards is 0
08:04.13VIadin the objectivetracker lua file I found: local name, texture, count, id = GetQuestLogRewardCurrencyInfo(i, questID);
08:04.26Simca_:o
08:04.34VIad^ sorry for the troll, it was a lie. I added the id on the end. :(
08:04.42Simca_evil
08:05.14VIadsome API's are unused, probably why they suck
08:05.31VIadlike GetCurrencyLink is unused
08:05.46VIadmaybe if it was used, they'd see the need for the api to return IDs :p
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08:05.58Simca_I use it
08:06.04VIadI mean the default UI code
08:06.05Simca_but yeah that makes sense
08:06.15VIadsome globals never are referenced by the default UI
08:06.34Simca_you can't say they haven't felt the need to get ID or link from that API though, lol
08:06.48VIad^^
08:06.55Simca_they made up a fake link lol
08:06.57VIadyeah
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08:08.00VIadfound a fun thing, HasDebugZoneMap
08:08.16VIadWorldMapFrame has a segment to show a debug zone map,wonder if there are any debug map files in the client
08:08.23VIador if they just hacked the HasDebugZoneMap to return false always
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08:16.56FiskerI miss only the things that need to be missed Torhal
08:18.35Kalrothlike the new Pixel phone!
08:23.28Simca_https://www.curseforge.com/paste/a71a1c26 i guess...
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08:51.05VIadSimca__: you are leaking gap_since_last_currency
08:51.27Simca__oops, thanks
08:52.26nevcairielpersonally I would just store the id of the last valid currency instead of counting, that also gives you the gap
08:53.42VIadgap is more flexible and requires less updating of the code :p
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08:54.52Simcayeah, the idea is to never have to touch it again
08:55.16VIad("%s"):format("hello") VS format("%s", "hello") performance wise?
08:55.20nevcairielboth basically count the gap, makes no difference how you do it, i just find it more logical =p
08:55.40VIadbut if he hardcodes the lagest currencyID he has to update it if new currency is added >_>
08:55.48Simcano, i see what he's saying
08:56.00VIadah you mean so you only have one gap check :p
08:56.04VIadper session
08:56.44nevcairielalso if name and texture can be nil, you might not want to store those in the table as that seems silly
08:57.51VIad? http://pastebin.com/NbZxwsH2
08:58.23nevcairieldoesnt need to be outside of the function really
08:58.31nevcairieland you are still counting the gap
08:59.00VIadhow do you get the largest id?
08:59.38VIad"just store the id of the last valid currency"
09:01.18nevcairielhttps://www.curseforge.com/paste/39a01744
09:01.34nevcairieloh typo in there
09:01.38nevcairielbut you get the idea
09:01.56VIadah I see what you meant
09:02.53nevcairielits mostly about style i guess
09:03.29VIadthe old code would have stopped running if we could 800 empty entries though :p
09:03.45nevcairielso does the new one
09:03.49VIadyeah
09:03.56VIadwell
09:03.59nevcairieljust hope they never have that many holes
09:04.11VIadI mean I dont get the gaps in the first place
09:04.15VIadsome gaps are huge
09:04.22Simcaso far, no more than 400. they're barely up to 2k atm
09:04.23VIadtons of stuff like never implemented?
09:04.37Simca800 is super conservative i think
09:04.54nevcairielthey are up to 2k and already have a 400 gap?
09:05.07Simcayeah i think so
09:05.39VIadcan always middle finger and do a for i = 1, 100000 :p
09:06.06nebulafor i = 1, math.huge do
09:06.09nebula:O
09:06.25VIadyou can argue performance all you want :p
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09:08.53VIadgot to make a mythic+ key later that has everything at once
09:09.09VIadI guess its possible or is the itemstring limited to a certain amount of affixes?
09:13.07nevcairieli think it can hold 3
09:13.21VIadhmm, really?
09:13.24VIadwhat about m+20?
09:13.42nevcairielthere are no further affixes after 3 afaik
09:13.47VIadhmm, ok
09:13.54VIadI guess then only the % scale up
09:14.10VIadalso nevcairiel blizz posted that the tyrranical should be additive, not multiplicative
09:14.12VIad:p
09:14.35VIadso this week it's like you got 2x tyrranical at m+10
09:14.52nevcairielyour tooltip disagrees
09:18.15Simcathere are only 3 affixes active each week
09:18.23nebulathat shit makes some bosses unkillable :\
09:18.49VIadlike, nebula?
09:18.58Simcathere is exactly one level 4, one level 7, and one level 10 affix for each region and it remains constant for the entire week, then randomizes (? is it really random?) on reset
09:19.15nebulai remember doing blackrook+10 for the first time with tyrannical, the shadow volley on the last boss before you got the buffs killed everyone but the tank
09:19.30nevcairielthere is pre-defined pairs (or triplets) it can pick from, so not fully random, but yeah
09:19.30VIadnebula: we made our m+10 BRH this week
09:19.41Simcafigures
09:19.42VIadeveryone had to use personals to survive the first volley
09:19.53Simcablizzard likes obscure schedules (see: halfus wyrmbreaker)
09:19.53VIaduntil the buff is applied :p
09:19.57nevcairielthe first volley is already painful on 6 up or so
09:20.05nebulaeveryone did, it killed the hunter through turtle
09:20.09SimcaI suspect EN dragons are on a schedule too
09:20.16VIadweird then. maybe stamina gear?
09:20.25nebula..
09:20.35VIadI dunno, my group wasnt oneshot by it with their personals :/
09:20.37VIadwe had a hunter too
09:20.59Simcapretty sure it's RNG on the initial timers
09:21.08Simcabut yes, the RP buff delay is stupid.
09:21.28nevcairielhe generally always casts shadow bolt volley once before the buff comes up
09:21.31VIadhardest boss in BRH was the big guy on the balcony
09:21.35nevcairielmost dangerous part of the fight
09:21.50VIadhardest part on the last one is just the transition only
09:21.58Simcaif they wanted to make the fight difficult, they could actually make him difficult rather than making you want to yell at an NPC who sits there whining
09:22.00Freddiehttp://i.imgur.com/t1D3sF2.png is my mythic progress this week. and I guess we did a +6 which was a biiit painful with low dps :\
09:22.12nevcairielalso, are there any tricks to know where the beam starts in his intermission? we couldnt figure out yet if there is a way to dodge it safely
09:22.46Simcanot that i know, but you should have plenty of time to get out of it, even if standing in exactly the middle of where he picks
09:22.57nebulathat's a lie
09:22.58VIadif you are quick you can get out yes
09:22.59nevcairielnot really, it fires almost immediately
09:23.13VIaddoes the adds animate before the effect indicates?
09:23.13ConstieI'm not sure I'll ever get to do my first mythic+2. Takes nonzero effort to get a group, unlike raids.
09:23.40nebulayou have less than a second to move when it's being telegraphed
09:23.46Simcaunless that changes on high mythic+, it is a pretty reasonable delay
09:24.02VIadgenerally stuff happen quicker in m+
09:24.16VIadthe movement bit itself is not very nice if you dont move at full speed :p
09:24.17nevcairielif you stand almost in the middle of it and dont have a blink or something, its really hard to get out in time
09:24.39Simcai mean, we run with 2 DKs and they've never gotten hit, maybe they're just lucky
09:24.39VIadits like difficulty by bad luck
09:25.03VIadmeh with their magic shell its not dangerous even if they do get hit
09:25.11VIadas DH I just leap out asap
09:25.27VIadalso DH on the big guy fight in BRH is cheese
09:25.41VIadI dont remember the name, but dps DH can use an ability and get 100% dodge
09:25.48nebulablur
09:25.49VIadso our DH intercept each charge :p
09:25.57VIadnah its like the slice and dice spell
09:26.02VIadthey jump everywhere and slice stuff
09:26.06VIadshort CD one
09:26.18nebulaoh
09:26.19Simcai feel like there's more reaction time and reasonable avoidability than the ground laser on VotW first boss by far
09:26.19VIadit gives you 1 sec avoid all dmg kind of buff
09:26.25VIadduring animation
09:26.28nebuladidn't know that gives you dodge
09:26.41VIadthe boss charge apparently applies debuff and has to hit you, but its dodgeable :p
09:26.47nebulai guess it does say it
09:26.49VIadso the DH had like 6-8 stacks
09:26.55VIadbut always dodged :p
09:27.07VIadthe 2nd stack alone hits like 5 mil or more :p
09:27.34Simcayeah you are supposed to rotate people, that's the basic like... mythic+2 strat
09:27.36VIadyou might maybe dodge the beam on last boss too?
09:27.39VIad:p
09:27.47VIadpop the dance spell as the lazer fires
09:27.49VIadmaybe its dodgeable
09:27.55nebulayou don't dodge magic
09:27.57VIadlike how on the first boss the reap spell
09:27.59nevcairieli didnt do brh on 10, only 8 i think, and the big guy wasnt a big problem if you rotate people
09:28.01VIadyou knowthe huge cone attack?
09:28.04VIadits dodgeable, parryable
09:28.33VIadI think blizz are misleading what is a spell and not >_>
09:28.36nevcairielwe preferably rotated melees if they were free so he doesnt run so far
09:28.43VIadyes
09:28.56Simcayeah
09:29.15VIadbut on the brute boss, at 100 energy he hits tank and makes him take 75% more dmg
09:29.28VIadI leap away so he runs, then he always charges :p
09:29.29nebuladon't be bad and let him hit 100
09:29.32Simcamy usual mythic+ group is warrior, warrior, DK, DK, paladin
09:29.40VIadwarrior tanks can make that happen
09:29.40Simcawhich is as amazingly stupid as it sounds
09:29.42nebulai've never ended that above 40 or so
09:29.53VIadbut DH tanks are, if you dont parry/dodge, even with dmg reduction he gets a lot of fury
09:29.58nevcairieldont think we ever reached 100, is that just time?
09:30.05VIaddps matters too
09:30.10nebulaits if he hits the tank without am up
09:30.12VIaddunno what your dps is
09:30.15nevcairielah
09:30.24nevcairieli'm a druid, i have no pain to perma AM
09:30.44VIadI kind of perma AM but its hard, demonspikes are a bit lame >_> need more haste
09:31.00nevcairielkeeping ironfur up at atleast one stack all the time isnt hard
09:31.01VIadI try time it so I use it as he is hitting me not to waste time :p
09:31.18VIadmy problem is more CD than power starvation
09:31.22nebulawith his gaps to charge people, it really isn't that hard
09:31.38VIadI can be unlucky and with AM still not get parry/dodge and get hit
09:31.46VIadthats what gives him fury :(
09:31.59nevcairielif you have AM up, he should not get stuff even if you get hit
09:32.02Simcahis fury gain is based on damage done
09:32.02VIadbut even so, at least I can leap 40yd away and he runs kind of slowly
09:32.05VIadhe does
09:32.05Simcaapparently
09:32.07VIadyes
09:32.13nevcairielthat sucks for DHs then =p
09:32.20VIadeven if I half his dmg its still like 5-10 fury
09:32.36VIadeven with 45% physical dmg reduction
09:32.41VIadonly from my AM
09:32.49VIadblizz are nerfing it in 7.1 :p
09:32.52VIadso thats gonna be great
09:32.57nevcairielmy armor gives me 45% by default, and thats not counting any  AM or actual CDs
09:32.57VIadless physical dmg reduction, yay
09:33.09VIadmy armor is not that high, its around 35%
09:33.36VIadif you ask me, lore wise DH tanks should be agile and more dodge/parry focused
09:33.42VIadand less about retroactive healing :p
09:33.55nebuladodge tanks are terrible to balance
09:34.02VIadapparently
09:34.02nevcairielstill has the same problem as healing tanks though
09:34.05nevcairielif you dont dodge, you die
09:34.12VIadI'd sacrifice healing
09:34.17VIadif I could get base % dmg reduction
09:34.27VIadlike fine I dont heal, but at least make me be able to take the hit ,_,
09:34.29nevcairielplay a druid =p
09:34.32VIadnah
09:34.35VIadwaiting for blizz to rebalance
09:34.39VIadatm warriors are too OP
09:34.45VIaddruids are great too
09:34.47nevcairielwarriors already got nerfed last week
09:34.56VIadwell see with warcraftlogs rankings
09:35.00nebularip IP
09:35.04VIadin practicality
09:35.17nevcairielwcl rankings are over a two week window
09:35.36VIadlet's just say even if I feel weak as fuck
09:35.44VIadon hc xavius I got in the 91% bracket
09:35.46VIadour druid was in the 94%
09:35.55VIadand still the disparity between us two is huge
09:36.01VIadhe is usually 70%-90% hp
09:36.06VIadI often drop to the 30% range :/
09:36.10nevcairielthose brackets are within your own spec
09:36.12VIadyes
09:36.19nevcairielso cant compare between different tanks
09:36.19VIadso within my crappy tank class I did very good
09:36.21VIadI know
09:36.23VIadwell
09:36.27VIadyou can compare like the brackets
09:36.34VIadif both tanks are 90% brackets of their own class/spec
09:36.38VIadbut one class is superior :p
09:36.41VIadthats a bit lame
09:37.04VIadthe "reroll" shouldnt be an argument
09:37.22VIadif they make druids useless in 7.1 you'll probably too want some balancing, and Ill say "reroll" :p
09:37.26VIadlike how you argue atm hehe
09:37.48VIaddruids were once also sponges that took in hitsand had crap mitigation
09:37.57VIadthings change, blizz can balance out things
09:37.58nevcairielDHs are fine in raids, but tanks will never be 100% equal, there will always be a tank combination thats absolutely the best
09:38.02nebulai mean, outside of a few dps and non-dps monks, pretty much everything is viable, balance has been pretty good so far
09:38.21VIaddont need to be equal, just need reliable abilities to mitigate
09:38.28VIadshouldnt be too much to ask for
09:38.53nevcairielif you wanted to mitigate, you should not have picked a DH, it was known from day 1  that they are healing tanks =p
09:39.01VIadthey are not
09:39.11VIadthey are parry oriented
09:39.26VIadthe heal is like DK, its there to heal up if stuff get trough
09:39.30nevcairielstrong self-healing is one of their tools, and any mitigation would take away from that
09:39.38VIadbut even DK have flat 30% dmg reduction they can keep up 100%
09:40.09VIadthe DH self heal sucks because its location locked
09:40.20VIadif I pull the boss to the side, I can't use my heals that I dropped earlier :p
09:40.28VIadsomething DK doesnt have a problem with
09:40.41nevcairielthe range that your healing spell pulls in the orbs seems pretty high
09:40.46VIadnah
09:40.50nebulait's like 20 yards
09:40.53VIadits not really, yeah
09:41.01nebulabut awareness, yo
09:41.21VIadmove boss, at 100% hp, oh well, moving, boss hits me in new location, heal out of range
09:41.32VIadthe souls should like hover nearby the DH if you ask me
09:41.39VIadinstead of having the fragments land on the floor ,_,
09:41.59VIadwell tbh I miss the beta mechanic
09:42.08VIadsoul barrier talent made your overheals add a shield
09:42.11VIadmax 25% of your max hp
09:42.22VIadbut it worked nice so you didnt feel like wasting these overheals
09:42.51VIadat max power you want to use the spell to heal otherwise you are underperforming by holding back, especially if you know there is no imediate dmg inc you can heal
09:43.03VIadbut to be fair I have SHIT trinkets
09:43.10VIadI think trinkets are a HUGE part of any tanks, dps and healer
09:43.18VIadI have not gotten any good trinkets for months now
09:43.35nevcairielbuy the darkmoon trinket, i'm told its BiS for DHs as well
09:43.37VIadI got a okay one that eats up 500k dmg every minute, not bad, but the other one is like pure agi/crit >_>
09:43.58VIadI will check it out, but it feels like 100k down the drain once 7.1 is out and new trinkets drop in karazhan ,_, oh god
09:45.29VIadis reforging really that bad btw?
09:45.38VIadatm it feels like people pick lower ilvl gear because of secondary stats
09:45.41VIadit feels awkward
09:45.48Simcathere is no reforging
09:45.54nevcairielsome people are probably misguided
09:46.04Freddieneck/ring slots are the main culprits there since no primary stat
09:46.04VIad"you need X item level to do LFR" so the game is designed around high ilvl attitude
09:46.08nevcairielbut for some classes some  stats are important
09:46.26VIadyet most of the classes have to sacrifice ilvl to get the right stats :p
09:46.27Simcayeah, ilvl barely matters for neck/ring
09:46.36nevcairielie. a fire mage needs certain levels of crit to be playable, and you dont give that up for ilvl increases
09:46.49VIadI am just saying what if we had reforging
09:46.58VIadyou could take the high ilvl gear and reforge the crap secondary to something you need :/
09:47.15nevcairielwould still be the same boring addon or website driven shit
09:47.19VIadin my m+ groups we often trade around gear because its shit for us
09:47.33VIadnah but people know "I need mastery and haste"
09:47.41VIadthis item that dropped has neither, who wants it?
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09:47.51VIadif you had reforge you could go there and swap out yourself :p
09:48.01VIadyou already use addon/website for the stat priorities
09:48.05VIadso that argument is a bit wonky
09:48.06nevcairielpeople are often dumb and just read some silly guide that gives them a priority, but doesnt say how close the values are to each other
09:48.12nevcairielso even an item without those could be good for them
09:48.29VIadwait
09:48.37VIadwhat are you arguing now? that we shouldnt need websites/addons?
09:48.41karl_w_wanybody want this voucher for 75% off ori and the blind forest?
09:48.45VIador we need for the math aspecs? :p
09:48.52karl_w_wit's a great game :P
09:49.03nevcairieli'm arguing that most people are probably just misinformed in their item choice aspects
09:49.04VIador you mean you should simcraft on your own and make your own weights? :p
09:49.15karl_w_woh it's discounted 75% anyway, sneaky fucks
09:49.26VIadwell I use AMR and I check icyveins what they say
09:49.36VIadand I can configure AMR weights
09:49.46nevcairielif you just read like "i need mastery and haste", and disregard any item that has neither, then you are probably misinformed, because you didnt mention how good or bad the other stats are
09:49.58nevcairielsome classes have very close weights
09:50.03ConstieDo you actually remember what reforging was like in practice, VIad? It was a bit different from the addons we use for stat weights.
09:50.07nebulathey're garbage, nevcairiel, NOT EVEN WORTH MENTIONING
09:50.13Simcai think most guides would mention that, but probably not all, nevcairiel
09:50.24Freddiefury has pretty close weights. also it doesn't matter because you do dogshit damage whatever you do, and take 20% more damage too
09:50.26Simcaiirc fury's stats are close enough that ilvl generally dominates
09:50.28Freddiego fury
09:50.34Simcalol freddie
09:50.38VIadConstie: you could take the useless secondary stat that was very bad for your class/spec and make it into something more useful :p
09:50.44nevcairielmore often then not, for dpsers the primary stats win anyway
09:50.55nevcairielbut that of course still leaves rings etc
09:51.43VIadall you need is to check your current stats on gear you got, check the softcaps, and make a priority on stats from there
09:51.46FreddieI'm using slightly lower ilevel rings/neck on my bear because hey, versatility/mastery vs whatever and no primary+Legion secondary stat scaling
09:51.58VIadif you want to properly weight stats, you need some math involved :p
09:52.05nevcairielagility for bears is disappointing anyway
09:52.17Freddieagility makes me more beary
09:52.20karl_w_whttps://i.redd.it/o0ly40hdjnqx.png
09:53.07nebulawho needs more than 30 fps
09:53.14nevcairieli have a versa/mastery neck on my bear too, although my rings both only have mastery and haste on one and crit on the other, or so
09:53.36VIadI sadly got the legendary neck so can't put other necks there for now :'(
09:53.49nevcairieli got the crappy  legendary leather belt
09:54.08Freddieat least it wasn't the dumb pvp ring
09:54.14Freddiesomeone in guiild got that today and was v.sad
09:54.21nevcairieli dont think anyone in our guild has gotten an actually good legendary
09:54.42nevcairielwe have like the plate movement speed boots twice, the leather belt twice
09:54.54nevcairieli forget the others, plenty of generic crap
09:55.44ConstieVIad: Reforging sounds like a nice concept, yeah, but in practice what you ended up doing was the same thing as now, only you also had to pay however much gold every time you replaced a piece of gear to reforge everything.
09:56.20VIadConstie: now you grind m+ UNTIL the right slot and stat drop
09:56.37nevcairielgotta have long-term goals
09:56.38VIadbefore, you get a good item, high ilvl, generally good stats, and swap the worst secondary stat on it to something more useful for you
09:56.53VIadI dunno, running a lot of m+ and not gotten useful drops still
09:57.09nevcairielthats why its called long-term =P
09:57.17VIadhow long? soon next raid tier is out :p
09:57.22nebulai have the healing bracers on my warrior, they're pretty much but haste/mastery so oh well
09:57.24VIadcan't even prepare for it
09:57.30nebulas/much/meh/
09:57.41nevcairieltrial of valor is not a new tier, just an extension to the current one
09:57.54VIadhope there are good trinket drops there
09:58.18nevcairieli didnt check yet, but they did say once that they are putting some more trinkets there
09:58.48VIadno fox mount or tank artifact appearance :(
09:58.52VIadfarming those so much
09:59.27VIadneed to check my dungeon counters, but probably done 200 by now and it doesnt even count to my appearances :/
10:01.39ConstieIt sounds like you're doing much more farming than you need or want to.
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10:01.58VIad:p
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10:02.02VIaddid 1k WQ yesterday
10:02.46nevcairieli had 1k WQ on saturday
10:02.47nevcairielslacker
10:02.48nevcairiel:P
10:03.15ConstieI just did my 321st world quest.
10:03.19FiskerIt should take like 200 days unless you suck
10:03.36nevcairieli'll finally get the third golden trait this week
10:03.40VIadsame
10:03.42VIadwell
10:03.44VIadvery soon
10:03.45nevcairielonly crap traits left after that
10:03.45VIad:p
10:03.53nevcairieli need like 80k AP or so
10:04.27VIad<PROTECTED>
10:05.15VIadweird, looking at the rep page it says I haven't done any rep for like 4 factions
10:05.26VIadIllidari, Jandvik Vrykul, Moonguard, The First Responders
10:05.36VIadweird about the Illidari bit considering I play a DH :p
10:06.06nevcairielmost of those are not actual factions
10:06.12nevcairielwell, not some you can get rep with
10:06.21nevcairielthey just exist so npcs can have them
10:06.56nevcairieli should reach exalted with the two remaining factions today
10:07.03nevcairielthats that then
10:07.15VIadthe first responders are the first aid related Qs :p
10:07.26VIadwowhead puts all the FA once on their faction page
10:08.11VIadneed like 3500 rep with the lowest faction atm, rest are less than that
10:08.27nevcairiel20762/21000 <-- lowest
10:08.32nevcairieland that one is bonus today
10:08.33nevcairiel:D
10:08.54ConstieSeems like a lot of diminishing returns on effort if you're only 8 average item levels and 2 bosses ahead of a casual like me. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/norgannon/Constance/advanced
10:09.09VIadrandom drop chance
10:09.12VIad:p
10:09.21VIadI had 2 great drops first EN week normal
10:09.25VIadafter that mostly shit
10:09.40VIadeven you have trinkets lol
10:09.54nebulastill entry content stuff, ilvl isn't going to have a big boost until you're in mostly mythic stuff
10:10.09VIadtrinkets and their effects can be really good :p
10:10.18VIadnot to mention if you get the right legendary
10:11.06nevcairieli hope we can make some more progress in heroic raids this week, social guild has a too high spectrum of people in the raid, so it often takes us a bit longer
10:11.20VIadmine is actually 15% leech ring because with the last artifact perk and the soul related perks so they drop more, you get into metamorphosis form more often, meaning you get more max hp and better self healing trickling down
10:14.23VIadthe legendary neck is like some extra hp shield if you avoid getting dmged long enough :p
10:14.26VIadcan be difficult to rely on
10:14.36VIaddid you get the trash legendary, nevcairiel?
10:14.43nevcairieli wish
10:14.44ConstieI hope you're carrying http://www.wowhead.com/item=27944/talisman-of-true-treasure-tracking with you if you're hoping to get drops.
10:14.51VIadthe druid tank got it :d
10:15.05VIadcarrying? more like equipped
10:15.09Simcaoh they finally fixed the API/armory so that nightfallen and valajar show up?
10:15.10Shockah|Workthe trash one being?
10:15.11Simcaexcellent
10:15.17Shockah|Workthe "barrier when not attacked for 5s"?
10:15.18nevcairieli get the dumb belt
10:15.29nevcairielhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=133976/cinidaria-the-symbiote
10:15.45VIadtrash one makes druid stack the bleed 2 more stacks
10:15.50Shockah|Workthat's at least a dps increase... a bit
10:15.55VIaddunno if it gives tank benefits :p
10:15.57nevcairielthe bracers are a bit better
10:15.58VIadexcept dmg
10:16.03nevcairielhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=137056/luffa-wrappings
10:16.09nevcairielthrash bracers ^
10:16.15VIadah that
10:16.19Simcafor holy paladins, only 2 of them are substantial healing increases, the other 6 are mediocre (or worse) utility
10:16.20VIadomg 2 trash items ;D
10:16.22nevcairielhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=137067/elizes-everlasting-encasement
10:16.25nevcairielthrash pants ^
10:16.26Shockah|Worklol "trash legendary"
10:16.34VIadliterally trash legendaries
10:16.37Shockah|Workhaha
10:16.50nevcairielboth of those would be pretty good
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10:16.53VIadyes
10:17.04nevcairielthe bracers have no defensive benefits, the pants do if you take the right talents
10:17.12nevcairielbut both are really strong dps
10:17.31Shockah|Workmost of the guildies keep getting these http://www.wowhead.com/item=132444/prydaz-xavarics-magnum-opus
10:17.42nevcairieleveryone fears getting that
10:17.43nevcairiel:D
10:17.53Shockah|Worklike 80% of the legendaries we got are this one
10:23.30VIadI got that one ;d
10:23.37VIadsadly but could be the pvp ring, bleh
10:24.25VIadhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=138854/fragment-of-the-betrayers-prison
10:27.06nevcairielthe ring isnt that terrible on m+ because you can cc everything  there
10:27.26nevcairielbut for raids its useless
10:35.32karl_w_whah, the lenses in the HTC Vive have a tiny QR code etched into them https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/kVnrqLwV3SqiErDd.huge
10:36.18nevcairieldid you try reading it
10:36.29karl_w_wyes, no dice
10:36.37karl_w_wtempted to re-draw it
10:38.26karl_w_woh, it's been done before, 3YVA-60320-36130
10:38.44nevcairielsounds like a serial number, so probably d ifferent for each one
10:47.34karl_w_wSamsung Electronics Co. said Tuesday that it would permanently discontinue production and sales of its embattled Galaxy Note 7 smartphone
10:48.53karl_w_wshame, apart from the whole spontaneous combustion thing, and the god-awful software, it was a pretty good phone :P
10:53.47nevcairielthe name is dead now, best to just give it up
10:55.45karl_w_wthey might have have to drop Galaxy as well
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11:02.16ls-damn...
11:02.49ls-Need moar sleep... T_T
11:05.41ls-p3lim: but is it ok to make yet another element for power bar? o_O
11:06.48VIadI really dislike the name pixel, but anyway, with google pixel out at some point no one needs to buy any android phones from others anymore :p
11:07.18nevcairielthe pixels arent that great
11:07.23VIadit will be more like iphone, controlled hardware and software
11:07.34nevcairielwonky recycled design, extra high prices
11:07.52VIadI just know a galaxy phone comes with 30% bloatware :p
11:08.47ls-and some exploadware :p
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11:09.24p3limls-: no reason for it to be another element, is there?
11:09.30ls-that's a weird mix of explode and bloat...
11:10.36VIadI got a nexus 6p atm and I am happy with it. only abit too big than I usually want, so next phone will be smaller again IF they make smaller phones anymore :p
11:10.38ls-p3lim: well, it could be a part of PowerPrediction, but a) we'd have to rename it; b) spaghetti code :D
11:10.49p3limwhy not a part of power?
11:11.05ls-hm....
11:11.19p3limand why is powerprediction its own element?
11:11.27ls-I don't see it as a part of it...
11:11.59ls-why isn't healprediction a part of health then? O_o
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11:12.04p3limexactly
11:12.35p3limwe went down this road before and ended up merging all class icon stuff into one element
11:12.41ls-https://cdn.meme.am/instances/64653596.jpg
11:12.46p3limyet so many widgets for health and power are split out
11:13.22ls-hmm... I'll think about it...
11:13.57p3limone argument for powerprediction though is that it also supports altpower
11:14.06p3lim(or additionalpower as we renamed it)
11:14.30ls-well, this one will support it too... :p
11:14.38karl_w_wit occurs to me I'll soon own a phone with a ~5.5 inch display that will have higher resolution than my desktop 27 inch monitor
11:14.39p3limI guess
11:14.53ls-but theoretically we could add it to both...
11:14.55p3limif only lua had some kind of templating, hmm
11:15.29ls-mixins :p
11:15.35p3limugh
11:15.38ls-:D
11:21.14VIadI wish prones had different sizes, same hardware/model
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11:21.27VIadlike the galaxy s7 if it had two sizes at least
11:21.45VIad5" and 5.8" or whatever it is
11:22.01VIadnewer the phone, more it looks like a phablet than phone >_>
11:22.15ls-p3lim, I think I'll try merging all power-related elements into one, when I have enough time to do so, mb this weekend...
11:22.24p3lim:)
11:23.22ls-but I'll keep update functions apart :p
11:24.00ls-there's no need to have one uber-spaghetti-function to rule them all :p
11:24.56ls-and having smth like PostUpdate, PostPrediction, PostUsage is a nice bonus :p
11:25.53ls-p3lim ^, jic
11:26.03p3limYup
11:27.19p3limI want to split all the color crap to its own function too
11:28.44VIadif blizz offered you a job to redesign the UI, what would you say, p3lim?
11:28.51p3limgo fuck yourself
11:28.54ls-damn, Rainrider isn't here T_T
11:29.14VIadkek
11:29.18p3limI'd rather be a part-time dishwasher at mcdonalds
11:29.27p3limif that position even exists
11:29.37ls-I'd say "gibe moneyz" :p
11:29.51p3limAsk for shares
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11:33.07ls-p3lim, create a thread in oUF sub-forum to discuss merging, pls, or should we use gitter? lol :p
11:33.18p3limI have no intention of using gitter
11:34.15ls-hence my "lol :p"
11:35.22VIadp3lim: what if they told you that you can do what ever you like with the UI, start from scratch, form your own team, and such?
11:35.54p3limVIad: I don't think you have any comprehension of the amount of work that would entail
11:37.36p3limor you do and you're just trying to pull my tail
11:37.53p3limeither way I'm in no way qualified to take on such work in the first place
11:38.13ls-yeah, cuz they use their own API, for example, creating UI (and adding API) Unity-based games is relatively easy, been there, done that..
11:38.26ls-missed for..
11:38.41p3limthe work isn't that bad
11:38.51p3limit's the scale of the amount that is troublesome
11:38.52ls-amount of work is :D
11:39.37VIadthats why I mention if you could have a team :<
11:40.04VIadyou'd need to make some flexible framework though, more important to have a good manager to get the programmers started on the right path
11:40.13p3limthere's always gonna be a team with that amount of work
11:41.29VIadseems like blizz are going the right way with modules
11:41.44VIadrather than having everything inside one giant addon :p
11:41.48ls-VIad, more like good UX designer, who understands what MMO players (and addon devs) need from UI and its API ;p
11:41.58ls-manager won't help a lot...
11:44.21VIadin team projects my philosophy is good planning before coding
11:45.02VIadwow has come far, you'd need to take all the UI as it is today, and plan a head how you could code this in a better way, not to mention some way that is easily maintained and expanded if new stuff come later down the line
11:45.38ls-there's such thing as "user journey (map)", it's used to determine what UI elements are needed to be created to allow users to perform certain tasks...
11:46.19ls-then you decide on tools (incl API) that are needed to create said UI elements :p
11:47.14hastels-: p3lim: prediction element were kept separate because they're more of an extension to the base elements
11:47.26hasteit gets quite messy when you merge them together with power/health
11:48.17hastethe class icons were merged since we ended up having 10 elements literally doing the exact same thing
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11:52.38ls-haster, p3lim: but why not keep element and its extensions in one file? O_o and instead of frame.Health and frame.HealPrediction, we could do smth like frame.Health and frame.Health.HealPrediction :p
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11:54.24ls-haste ^ :D typo*
11:55.01hasteyou would have to do it in the same file then
11:57.35ls-that's why we're discussing hypothetical merge of elements w/ their extensions
11:58.12ls-may or may not be a good change :p
11:59.25hasteI think it's messy and won't align well with the current {Pre,Post}Update standard
12:03.56ls-why? elements and extensions would have their own Updates w/ Pre-/PostUpdates. but then it sounds like a change for the sake of change T_T
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12:14.11hastethey don't really interact with each other in any way, except for the initial anchoring the layout has to do
12:14.19p3limls-: something like this https://gist.github.com/p3lim/b1813d4b3987e2af95c0aeaf62274bea
12:14.36hastenot really seeing any benefit with keeping it under the health/power "namespace"
12:15.02ls-p3lim, that's what I was talking about :p
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12:27.29p3limalso has the benefit of allowing the layout to override the core updating of the power element but still be able to use the stock coloring
12:27.47p3limor vice versa
12:28.10p3limthat has nothing to do with the merging of the two elements though, just from splitting the coloring from the update
12:31.21ls-yeah, that's a nice improvement...
12:33.55VIadis CUSTOM_CLASS_COLOR stll a thing?
12:34.29nevcairielprobably
12:34.32ls-were they ever a thing? O_o
12:34.40p3limstill a thing
12:34.43nevcairieli never understood why people want that tho
12:34.53VIadchanging the blizz table taints the shit out of stuff
12:35.00VIadso needed another way to do it I guess
12:35.13p3limI think nev referred to why people want to change the colors at all
12:35.19p3limnot how
12:35.19VIadshrug
12:35.23VIadmaybe blind colored?
12:35.37p3limblizzard handles that with filters nowadays
12:35.46VIadmaybe not good enough, dunno
12:35.57VIadmaybe you want to color people by role :p
12:36.03VIador armor type
12:36.04p3limand they allow displaying the actual value of the colors
12:36.21p3limactually, I think they removed that
12:36.51nevcairielyeah color blindness should mostly be covered by filters, but who knows
12:36.56modernistpeople like changing the class colours for style purposes
12:36.56nevcairielwould have to ask people that actually use that
12:37.02modernisttweaking values etc.
12:37.17p3limI remember using color blindness filters for the UI in BF3 :p
12:37.22p3limjust because the colors were clearer
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12:54.07VIadgot my satures removed yesterday, but somehow it looked like one remained and it is annoying/painful to touch so gotta go back today and see if they can help remove it ,_,
12:54.26VIadI'd do it myself but don't want to play home surgeon with scizors and a mirror :p
12:54.42VIadit's hard enough to see, let alone work with tools in there lol
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13:07.10Seeker`_VIad: Dare I ask where the sutures are?
13:08.31VIadstitches
13:08.38VIadmy dentist told me it's called sutures :p
13:08.59Guest83293Where, not what :P But the "dentist" part answers that
13:09.08VIadaah
13:09.12VIadmy mouth :d
13:09.28VIadremoved tooth, had to sew the hole shut so bacteria didnt get in
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13:10.57VIadif you want the details, the tooth socket, once the tooth was removed, made a hole that went into my sinuses :p
13:11.09Seekernice
13:11.23VIadso he had to shut it to avoid bacteria going from the mouth into the sinuses making an infection
13:11.32Seekeryeah, sinus infections aren't fun
13:13.34VIadit takes about a year for the bone where the tooth was to fully grow
13:13.50_KeeHey, any idea how I could test moving people beetween parties in raid without a real raid? Or in other words: What raid make to get PuGs inside for a few monutes? What's your experience?
13:14.09_Keeminutes*
13:14.59VIadmoving people takes time, so you'd have to make a system queue up the tasks and wait for the roster to change between each operation :p
13:15.07VIadits not easy to simulate it
13:15.25VIadinv a friends alt and make a raid to test :p
13:15.47_Keeugh, it looks like I'll have to. Thanks for response.
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14:42.25TentacledWhee! https://puu.sh/rFjDn/bb4327b2c5.gif
14:43.10TentacledCommandline autocompletion. It's been done before, I guess, but... well, I had to roll my own for some reason.
14:47.00nevcairielplenty tab complete solutions over the years
14:47.21nevcairielespecially years ago when chat command interfaces were standard for addon configs
14:51.06TentacledYup, after cobbling this together I managed to find several others. Still, a good exercise.
14:51.24TentacledAKA why did I waste time writing my own...
14:52.34mckenziemcexperience
14:52.48mckenziemcboth in coding and finding out you should've researched first!
14:53.46Tentacled\m/
14:54.04nevcairielthe real magic would be if you can actually tab complete table members now!
14:54.27nevcairiel./print WorldMapFrame.<tab>
14:54.27nevcairiel:D
14:57.26mckenziemc<PROTECTED>
14:58.14nevcairielthats what it does without the _G in front, I imagine =p
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15:06.36Simcalol
15:06.41Simcawithered j'im again this week
15:06.50Simcaworld bosses don't actually rotate, it's pure RNG?
15:06.54Simcawow blizzard
15:07.37ConstieInteresting. I got my archaeology quest, which was to successfully dig up 20 things in Highmountain. When I got to my second digsite for it it wouldn't let me survey anymore even though I was on a digsite according to my map.
15:08.06ConstieI relogged and then the quest was gone and my digsites were in Suramar instead, and the archaeology questgiver sent me there instead.
15:08.27nevcairielSimca: better kill it fast before they notice and re-rotate it
15:08.54Simcayes, Constie, archaeology quests are bi-weekly
15:09.07Simcathey rotate every second tuesday at 11 am EST
15:09.11Simcawhich was 9 minutes ago
15:09.32nevcairielsometimes rotations hang a bit and it takes a while, maybe it'll actually rotate jim out in a few minutes
15:09.35ConstieOh, yes, but I already did the Highmountain one. It was acting as if I had gotten it two fortnights in a row.
15:09.42nevcairieltook until :15 once for new things to show up
15:09.43Simcaoh
15:09.47Simcayeah that's a bug
15:10.00Simcai did the breadcrumb twice and the 20 surveys twice
15:10.14Simcabut it wouldn't let me get the final part a second time, heh
15:10.26VIadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwCjp_pLHAc
15:10.35nevcairiellast weeks archaeo was also so silly easy, compared to like, solve 20 projects in azsuna
15:11.01VIadnevcairiel will write how preach is shit wrong and how people just need to know the answers without using any websites or guides by reading the game files and building mathematical models
15:11.30VIad20 solves in azsuna was cancer
15:11.44nevcairielpreach is generally a flamer and not quite worth listening to
15:12.16nevcairielbut most people overthink the gearing anyway
15:12.46VIadif you go higher ilvl only and it happens to be no crit all haste, that fire mage will be shit as fuuu
15:13.14nevcairielof course, every class has some rules you should follow
15:13.46nevcairielfire mages need crit above everything, at least until they get like 50%+
15:14.04nevcairielbut thats not hard
15:14.10VIadfinding those rules is not easy
15:14.35VIadseen 3 guides and people have different opinions
15:15.14Seekergearing does seem broken
15:15.16nevcairielwhich can mean two things: either some of those suck, or your class is pretty close in value for all the stats
15:15.48Simcayeah it was 25 projects in azsuna
15:15.52SeekerI'm using an 835 trinket because it obliterates everything other than a heroic ursoc trinket
15:15.54Simcavs 20 surveys
15:16.01nevcairielmajority of dpsers can follow a simple rule: if within 5 ilvl, prefer secondaries,  if  more then 5 ilvl, go with ilvl
15:16.08VIadso wing it, like do what I feel is right? suddenly I might as well just do what I want or just follow AMR advice :p
15:16.14nevcairielexceptions apply to trinkets of course
15:16.26SeekerI'm discarding 865 items because they don't beat the CoS/Arcway mastery proc set on 840 gear
15:16.45Simcayeah trinket balance is all over the place
15:16.57VIadif I first GET a trinket
15:17.02Simcasix-feather fan is a big offender
15:17.05VIadatm it sounds like a first world problems
15:17.16VIad"I dont what what trinket to use among my 5 ilvl 860 trinkets"
15:17.16Seekerit feels bad to get a drop from a heroic boss that's a 25 ilvl upgrade and not be able to us eit
15:17.18nevcairielthose people that really care and where it actually matters, they can find the right information and the right tools
15:17.21Simcaworld drop that is BiS for most (all?) agi classes
15:17.27nevcairielbut 90% of everyone else should just relax a bit =p
15:17.28VIadI literally have ONE trinket with a use/passive :p
15:18.06Simcathere's nothing wrong with the stat stick ones
15:18.16Simcathey're better than a lot of the trash in EN
15:18.21nevcairielindeed
15:18.35nevcairiel850 with your preferred secondary can be plenty strong
15:19.11SeekerNext thing you know, we'll have reforging back
15:19.19Seekerand hit rating
15:19.21nevcairielthey will never do that
15:19.36nevcairielreforging doesnt solve problems, it just makes you install an addon
15:19.47Simcayeah
15:20.07VIadnevcairiel: reforging fixed a problem - not having to grind 20 mythics to see if you get another pair of gloves that had your secondary stats
15:20.20SeekerYeah, I know. I was being silly. But getting a loot drop feels like it did with reforging
15:20.20VIadI dont get why people think reforging didnt have any benefits
15:20.26nevcairielyou would still do that, though
15:20.32VIadno
15:20.36nevcairielbecause gloves with the best stat on it straight away are still better
15:20.38Simca40% of a bad stat changed may be enough
15:20.42Simcafor some specs
15:20.45Simcabut not for all of them
15:21.00nevcairielreforging had benefit to your player power, noi question about that
15:21.00Simcafire mages would still probably not use a piece if it didn't have full crit
15:21.06nevcairielbut gameplay wise its just bad
15:21.18VIadyou are saying, you are going to farm the dungeon until you get the BIS anyway so no need to have reforging? what about casuals that dont want to farm the BIS stats on those one gloves?
15:21.30VIadI often get higher ilvl with completely wrong statso n them
15:21.33nevcairielthen they are fine running with whatever they have
15:22.55VIadand it feels like shit, yay upgrade, but not
15:22.56nevcairielengage in social aspects more and group with people of a similar armor type, so you can trade upgrades
15:22.56VIadyeah, next thing I replace all my mastery and have absolutely no AM dmg reduction and die in a hit, but at least my cooldowns are faster!
15:22.56VIadyou are making excuses now
15:22.56VIadreforging is a easy way to tune the gear, whatever gear, you got
15:22.56VIadfrom whatever type of content
15:22.56nevcairielit is, but it doesnt make the game any better
15:22.56VIadit makes you skip a lot of farm if you are content with what you got
15:22.56VIadand can focus other things
15:23.09nevcairielif you insist on having BiS, you need to put s ome effort into that, thats all
15:23.12Ironiiif you are content with what you got why do you need to reforge in the first place?
15:23.19VIadI dont want BIS,I just want better trhan I have equipped
15:23.29VIadand when mythic 6 drop worse gear, it's not fun
15:23.37VIadworse gear because secondary stats are all wrong
15:24.19VIadyou can literally do a bunch of m+ and get one item in the end that is higher ilvl but worse than your equipped one
15:24.25nevcairielmythic+ drops the gear from the dungeon you are currently running, maybe you need to target another one that has the gear you actually wanted :D
15:24.32VIadif we had reforging you'd feel it is a okay upgrade, better than vendor/de/banking it
15:24.52VIadstill not an argument why reforging is not needed
15:24.57Ironiiloot tables from mythic+ are huge, its unlikely you will get an upgrade from them anyway
15:24.59VIadall I hear is run enough dungeons unti lthe right item drops
15:25.08VIadand I find that ridiculus
15:25.09nevcairielthats enough reason really
15:25.45karl_w_wlooks like it might happen, every "explosive" Note 7 is going to be recalled without a single one of them actually exploding
15:25.48Ironiiif you want to just look at the ilvl, wouldn't the best solution be that every stat is equal?
15:25.55Ironiieven better than reforging
15:26.05Ironiiand it wouldn't require any addons
15:26.37VIadbut it isnt Ironii, and if it cant be, let players adjust the stats a bit
15:26.56Ironiimaybe remove few stats so balancing them would be easy, then players wouldn't have to think about stat weights, they could just look at the ilvl
15:26.58VIadso people that dont want to run a thousand dungeons for a upgrade, and make it an upgrade by reforging it :)
15:27.06nevcairielreforging wouldnt solve these problems, it would only delay them slightly, because you wouldnt be done after that first item you reforged, you would need to continue to play something, and then you hit the same problem, just one item later
15:27.16VIadblizzard advertised like that in last blizzcon, Ironii, but they failed miserably
15:27.38VIadthey said higher ilvl should not be a question if it is better or not
15:27.55VIadbut it is clearly not the case, as many reduce their performance by following that logic :p
15:28.05Ironiiwell, generally higher ilvl is better
15:28.06mckenziemcVIad: you should datamine nevcairiel and make a mathematical model of his input -> response transfer function.
15:28.13mfgmfgespecially neck/rings
15:28.18Ironiifor many classes
15:28.22Ironii/specs
15:28.34mfgmfgand relics.
15:28.50ConstieYou get that Blizzard gets to set loot tables and drop rates however they want, though, right? You're intended to take a certain amount of time to get gear. If you weren't farming because there's no reforging you'd be farming because of something else.
15:28.51nevcairiellike I said hours ago, for most DPSers the primary stat is the most important thing, so with the exception of items without it, thats already a solved problem
15:29.12nevcairielof course exceptions apply like fire mages
15:29.19nevcairielbut not every spec has to be equally simple
15:29.53VIadConstie: what about when you run m+ all day and get ONE item that is 10 ilvl higher but completely the wrong secondar ystats?
15:30.10nevcairielkeep running
15:30.12Ressythats why I'm still running 825 stuff. >.<
15:30.17VIadno nevcairiel
15:30.20ConstieThen you reexamine your expectations and do something else the next day.
15:30.26nevcairielyou want gear? actually play the game
15:30.30VIadyou guys are farm addicts
15:30.43RessyThere are seeds. Might as well farm? :P
15:30.44nevcairielif you only get one item in 10 hours, thats your problem, not that it had the wrong stats
15:30.51Ironiiwtf are you playing if you only want 2 stats
15:31.12SeekerI'm currently using an average ilvl about 855, when I have almost 862 in my bags, because of secondary stats / set bonus
15:31.16VIadI want to get upgrades for raid progress
15:31.28VIadand I run a lot of dungeons but never get anything that is better than what I got
15:31.32VIadespecially running for trinkets
15:31.41VIadand the little I get is shit unless reforged
15:32.03VIadbecause I need to improve specific stats to get better, but those dont drop
15:32.08IroniiVIad what spec are you playing?
15:32.22VIadDh tank
15:32.26ConstieI'm not a farm addict, which is why I don't run mythics all day.
15:32.31nevcairielyour gear is at a point where upgrades from dungeons are just going to be super rare, because you probably want good stats AND titanforged, thats just double RNG
15:32.32SeekerThere's a bunch of people in raids trying to give away items that aren't an upgrade for them. But they can't because personal loot and they don't have an item of that ilvl or higher yet
15:32.44VIaddrop rng is horrible and there is no protection, even alternatives like reforging
15:33.11nevcairielSeeker: now they do, next time they can, its all good
15:33.31Seekerthe point is that they shoudln't be wanting to give away 10 ilvl upgrades :P
15:33.38VIadif you have higher ilvl in bags or bank, and something drops that is lower than that, but you have equipped lower ilvl, you can't trade it
15:34.05VIadbecause blizz dont let you because you clearly need the haste and mastery when your firemage has 1% crit
15:34.11ConstieJadugarr-Blade'sEdge slaps Nomi across the face. Ouch!
15:34.14SeekerA solution would be to weight more heavily towards primary stats
15:34.15ConstiePoor Nomi.
15:34.17RessyThen theres people like me with 848, just trying to get into their first mythic, and keep getting declined. >.<
15:34.31Ironiiyou can trade it if you have higher ilvl in bags atleast
15:34.31nevcairielVIad: thats wrong, if you even owned one once you can trade it
15:34.57Ironiibuuut, DH tanks don't have a really bad stat ? O.o
15:35.05Seekerso if you want to get the last 5% of your dps out if you want to optimise secondaries, but an ilvl upgrade will (virtually) always be better
15:35.10Ironiiwhich stats are you avoiding ;p
15:35.12Ironiiand why
15:35.25VIadsoon exalted with dreamweavers, farming WQ  a lot, did 1k yesterday. the exalted shoulders are 10 ilvl lower and bad stats ,_, hurray for rep farm rewards
15:35.27nevcairiellike I keep saying Ironii, many people do that out of misguided believes
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15:36.01VIadI am in a situation where other tanks tank better than me, and I need to find a way to make myself better. trinkets is one thing. getting the right mastery amounts to improve my AM is another
15:36.04nevcairielsome stats are definitely better then others
15:36.10nevcairielbut the real question is by how much
15:36.27nevcairielafaik DHs want crit for raid tanking
15:36.30nevcairielnot necessarily mastery
15:36.32VIadthe problem for players is, you see you suck compared to the other tank, you have NO clue how to fix the problem
15:36.51nevcairiel(and comparing yourself to tanks of other classes is generally flawed  either way)
15:36.56VIadthe ilvl scale the game makes accessible is hugely misleading
15:37.06Ironiicomparing tanks is really hard
15:37.14VIadit's easy
15:37.19Ironiireally?
15:37.30SeekerAs we found out last night, the one with PTT bound to taunt is the one that is screwing up.
15:37.31Ironiiare you just comparing damage taken ? :D
15:37.32VIadafter the raid, how much more mitigation did the other tank do than you? if he took less dmg he did a better job :p
15:37.39Ironiihah
15:37.51Ironiinvm its pointless to talk with you
15:37.55nevcairielso in short, VIad sucks because as a DH he'll always take more damage
15:38.14VIadguilds will only take the right classes to tank
15:38.18VIadunless blizz changes things
15:38.28VIadand I did NOT have this experience when I was blood in mop until wod
15:38.31VIador until legion
15:38.35ConstieWe're using a DH tank.
15:38.45VIadand a paladin spamming him all the time I guess?
15:38.55nevcairielDH tanks are fine
15:38.56VIadso if you happen to not have a paladin youll notice a difference
15:38.59ConstieNo Paladin healers, I don't think.
15:39.04nevcairielmythic progress guilds used them fine
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15:39.33nevcairielonly tanks thoroughly screwed right now are brewmasters
15:40.07Ironiiif you really want to compare tanks, you shouldn't look at damage taken that much, what you want to know how easy it is to heal him (does he take away heals from someone else), did he save others, did he die etc
15:40.12Ironiicomparing pure damage taken is just stupid
15:40.31VIadIronii: I often dance at low hp and are on the edge of dying on xavius
15:40.34VIadour druid is far from it
15:40.39VIadhow can I feel fine with that?
15:40.46nevcairieldifferent tanks behave differently
15:40.46VIad"ah its fine, its supposed to be that he can oneshot me "
15:40.51VIadyeah, I behave nearly dead
15:40.57Ironiiwhy the fuck would you compare your self to a druid tank
15:40.58VIadand struggle to find a way to fix it
15:41.00nevcairieldruid also has 50% more life then you
15:41.02ConstieDo you die more?
15:41.07VIadand he never goes below 70% most of the time
15:41.07Ironiidifferent playstyles
15:41.08VIadyeah
15:41.09VIadI die a lot
15:41.12VIadmy talent saves me
15:41.15VIad3 min self CR
15:41.26VIadputs me back at 30% hp and temporary hp buff
15:41.34VIadhardly a raid fight that doesnt save me
15:41.44nevcairielif you didnt use it, it would be wasted, wouldnt it
15:41.44Ironiiyou shouldn't even use it
15:41.55Ironiiits wasted talent point, unless you fuck up
15:41.57VIadwhat should I use? it is the only helpful talent
15:42.09VIadwith AM the boss can still kill me with enough hits and bad luck
15:42.16VIadthat talents have saved me from those situations a lot
15:42.19VIadso the raid didnt wipe
15:43.37ConstieHave you considered becoming proficient?
15:43.39VIadmaybe if when I get hit, I got more pain, it could work. I could spam more defensives
15:43.43Ironiiwith SB you would take less damage and save your self more often
15:44.32VIadI dunno about SB
15:44.45VIadpractically absorbs one melee hit, fine, my trinket atm does the same
15:44.52VIadone boss melee hit like xavius :p
15:45.00Ironiiits one melee hit more than last resort
15:45.01VIadbut if healers dont heal me for the 2nd I'd be dead anyway
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15:45.23Ironiiand it will also absorb after the initial absorb is gone
15:45.47VIadbut you think SB will make the difference and make me feel stable like a normal tank should? not dipping below 40% all the time?
15:45.56Ironiiyou are supposed to dip
15:45.58Ironiiyou are dh
15:46.14Ironiiim playing prot paladin and i don't think for a seconds i should stay over 70% all the time
15:47.10Ironiiand i choosed prot paladin for a reason, not just becouse i don't have other chars
15:47.13VIadI dip too often and it feels more like I dont have gear than anything
15:48.56ConstieSo what's the total stat difference you're hoping to get with your mythic gear? A percent or five of one secondary traded for another? That's going to keep you from dipping?
15:49.06VIadhopefully some nice trinkets
15:49.22VIada lot of them give a buch of mastery/crit or passive effects that when you dip you get a huge boost of some kind
15:49.27VIadhopefully mitigating a lot there and then
15:49.36VIadfor the bad luck moments when your parry fails in a row
15:49.38Ironiithere isn't any really good tanking trinkets from m+
15:49.49VIadhavent had any drop
15:49.57VIadnot one trinket :)
15:50.31VIadnot for the lack of trying http://ss.bool.no/capture_1476201025.png
15:50.48Ironiiand if you want to reduce your damage taken get haste
15:51.48VIadnev said crit earlier
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15:53.02VIadand I dont have a problem keeping AM up
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15:53.23Ironiicrit is one of the worst stats for damage reduction
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15:53.41Ironiiif you want damage reduction get haste & versatility
15:53.50Ironiimastery helps too
15:54.06VIadcrit is parry
15:54.13Ironii:ooooooooooooo
15:54.20VIadguess why nev said crit
15:54.42VIadmastery makes me take less phys dmg when my AM is up and it fails to parry
15:54.51mfgmfgso apparently we're getting repeat world bosses already
15:55.05Ironiihaste increases your AM uptime and your healing, you can also react better when your GCD is faster, versatility reduces your damage taken and ircreases your healing
15:55.18Ironiicrit gives some parry, who cares
15:55.21SimcaTheDanW / Guill: can chance we can shift-click more things properly with the Artifact UI in 7.1? it's really baffling that you can't shift-click your traits or relics
15:55.31Ironiiand mastery only increases your physical damage taken when AM is actice
15:55.33Ironiiactive*
15:55.37Simcato link in chat i mean
15:55.42Simcaany chance*
15:55.51Ironiidecrease physical damage taken*
15:55.58mfgmfgSimca, there's an addon for that ya know
15:56.09Simcathere probably is
15:56.14Simcabut it should be in the base UI
15:56.36Simcaconsidering it is a basic feature that works most places; was probably just overlooked, so i am poking about it :)
15:56.38mfgmfgmaybe they are worried someone will click instead of shift clicking
15:56.52mfgmfgand level up a trait when they didn't mean to
15:56.57Ironiidoesn't really matter which tank you are playing, but if you want to reduce your spiness, don't EVER go for avoidance
15:57.10Ironiispikiness*
15:57.14Ironiiwriting is hard :(
15:57.23VIadavoidance is shit
15:57.41VIadyou wonder why it is part of the game even
15:58.02Ironiiif you are speaking of the stat, it isn't shit
15:58.09Ironiibut in this case avoidance = dodge/parry
15:58.13Simcai mean, i guess that makes sense for the traits (maybe), mfgmfg
15:58.15Simcabut not for the relics
15:58.26Simcaalso, the relic links could be specialized so it always shows your spec
15:58.41Simcawhen you're linking from your artifact weapon
16:00.54VIadcant link WQ either, kind of odd
16:01.14VIadeven if you try the link is removed
16:05.47Ammakoi mean you cant accidentally click and choose a trait when not at the forge
16:05.54VIad;d
16:05.57Ammakoand when you're at the forge you should already know that click will choose a trait :p
16:06.33Ammakothey could add a confirmation window though i guess when selecting a trait
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16:07.28VIadthats kind of odd, that there isnt
16:07.34VIadconsidering the costs and farm involved :p
16:07.48Simcai love nyth trash.
16:07.53Simcai just love it
16:08.16Simcainstantly dispelling melee is the highlight of my week
16:08.56ConstieYeah, it's nice when they design trash with Mass Dispel in mind like that.
16:09.16Simcai ran into melee with it and dispelled myself
16:09.22Simcaand somebody in LFR said 'your an ass'
16:09.28Simcaand i said "no, i'm a hero"
16:09.32Simca"the hero melee deserve"
16:09.34Semlarwhere the hell is this archaeology guy
16:09.48ConstieWhere did you last see him?
16:09.52VIadyou have to talk and get him from the thunder totem village
16:10.01Semlarwhat
16:10.18Semlarmy quest says meet with tae'thelan in suramar
16:10.22Simcahe's just south of felsoul hold, right?
16:10.24VIadthats something else
16:10.31Simcajust wallk around it
16:10.37Semlarfrom the coast?
16:10.48Semlari didn't see any caves and it said he was underground
16:11.16ConstieI went southwest from Lunastre Estate.
16:11.28ConstieHe's in a tiny cave.
16:11.58Semlaron the water?
16:12.31VIadah right its reset today for US :P
16:12.33VIadEU is tomorrow
16:13.52Semlaralright i found it
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16:14.34Semlari glided from dalaran but assumed he was underground from felsoul hold
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16:19.41VIadour realm troll guy, at the pvp quest, kept the boss CCed with the DH imprison ability
16:19.49VIadlike banish for warlocks, immune to dmg :p
16:20.08VIadsaw like 15 alliance there trying to gat it
16:20.11VIadtag*
16:20.30VIadwonder if you can report for questing obstruction
16:22.31Ammakocounts as zone disruption doesnt it
16:22.43Ammakobut if it's pvp they'd likely just say there is a pvp solution to it
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16:23.17VIadno
16:23.19VIadown faction
16:23.20VIad:p
16:23.23VIadhow do we kill him?
16:24.33Simcalog on alliance i guess?
16:24.40VIad,_,
16:24.49VIadthats definetly not the intended gameplay
16:24.50Simcathey might take action
16:24.58Simcai really don't know, it's a weird case
16:25.07VIadtrolling is not weird case
16:25.13VIadbottlenecking has happened each xpac
16:25.17VIadespecially during leveling
16:25.18Simcayou can usually mitigate trolling
16:25.27VIadexcept legion since you picked a start zone :p
16:25.49Simcabut in this case there is literally nothing you can do besides get an alliance toon to kill him
16:26.17Simcalike a player tagging a boss repeatedly is intended to them
16:26.30Simcabut this... giving immunity, well. it's a weird case
16:27.00VIadits the pvp talent
16:27.08VIadmakes your usually breakable CC that only works on demons
16:27.16VIadwork for pvp related targets and last longer and immune :d
16:27.50Ammakoimagine this in AV
16:28.10VIaddunno if it works like that in bg instances
16:28.35Simcaall important mobs are CC immune
16:28.43Simcathat is probably how'd they fix this
16:28.45nevcairielBGs have actual opposing factions that try to disrupt you anyway, towers are special because noone bothers to go there to defend, since it rewards nothing
16:28.59Simcano reason tower commander shouldn't be CC immune
16:29.21Ammakothat would make sense
16:30.17Simcaor are you talking the arena WQ, VIad ?
16:30.39nevcairielin arenas the faction wouldnt matter and you could just kill them regardless
16:30.45VIadno tower WQ
16:30.54VIadkill mobs, then the tower boss
16:31.06nevcairieli prefer the opposite order
16:33.12Semlarglide to the top of the tower, kill the boss, kill everything else
16:33.25VIadsure
16:33.25nevcairielthats what i usually do
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16:33.37VIaduntil someone trolling stands there making the boss immune to dmg for 1 min
16:33.41VIadand spell has 1 min CD
16:33.48VIadneatily overlapping with a tiny window
16:33.57nevcairielexcept valsharah, no good glide points there, so i just train everything into the base of the tower and AoE it dead, go up do the boss and then do whatever is remaining for finishing
16:34.30Semlarwhere is there a demon warden tower boss
16:35.13VIadpvp talent Semlar
16:35.51Semlarpvp talent makes people demons?
16:36.04Ammakodreadlords confirmed
16:36.18Semlargreymane was a demon the whole time
16:36.30VIadno
16:36.35VIadhttp://www.wowhead.com/spell=205596
16:36.41VIad"Imprison can now be used on Humanoids and Beasts, and targets become immune to damage and healing while imprisoned."
16:37.06Semlarwhy would that even exist
16:37.14VIadbecause arena maybe?
16:37.16Semlarwho the fuck are you going to CC for 1 minute
16:37.33VIadin dungeons it works fine, when there are demons ofc
16:37.40Simcait's a pvp talent
16:37.42Semlarit's a pvp talent, it wouldn't work in dungeons
16:37.44nevcairielprobably much shorter on players
16:37.44Simcait can't work in dungeons
16:37.53VIadwhat did I say? :P
16:37.56VIadread the second part of the message
16:38.32VIadthe pve use of the spell also lasts a min, it's nice
16:38.45VIadwe even use it on BRH to skip the bat section
16:38.54VIadits the fel guys making the bats attack
16:39.02VIadso we being 2 DH use it to CC two at a time and pass :p
16:39.03Semlaryes, but why does it last a MINUTE in PVP
16:39.09VIaddunno :p
16:39.13VIadI mean
16:39.14Simcaonly on NPCs
16:39.16Semlarit obviously can't last a minute on players
16:39.20VIadprobably 8 sec on players
16:39.30Semlarso the pvp version of the talent shouldn't last a minute on mobs
16:39.36VIadwhy not ;D
16:39.38GuillSimca: Give it a try on PTR. I'm 90% sure an improvement was made to linking.
16:39.58Semlarwhat do you mean why not, for the exact reason you're talking about
16:39.58Simcaexcellent
16:40.10Ammakowell technically it's the base spell that lasts 1 min, pvp just allows it to work on mobs
16:40.17VIadshouldnt make the target IMMUNE if you ask me :p
16:40.21Simcapvp vs pve doesn't change CC duration
16:40.25VIadand it makes the target immune
16:40.28Simcaonly player vs NPC
16:40.33Semlarit's a 1 minute version of cyclone
16:40.46VIadto be honest
16:40.47Simcabanish is a 1 minute cyclone too, for demons.
16:40.49nevcairielits much shorter on players, which is the important part
16:40.55VIadwhy isnt there a DR on the spell instead?
16:41.02VIadyou can't stunlock mobs because of DR
16:41.06Simcathere probably is
16:41.08VIadwhy shouldnt this have DR so the next one is slower?
16:41.13SimcaDR only lasts a minute though
16:41.16Simcatrollface
16:41.18VIadas said that guy kept the npc immune for a long time
16:41.22VIadkept applying it
16:41.26Semlarit shouldn't last a minute on any pvp target
16:41.44Semlarit's just an oversight
16:41.55VIadyeah right
16:42.02VIadthey have a whole pvp team now with pvp templates
16:42.02nevcairielyou could find any other world quest that has a demon and use that, and get the pvp talent out of the argument so Semlar is happy
16:42.05VIadand they made a oversight :p
16:42.06nevcairielstill lasts a minute then
16:42.28Ammakoyeah but it has to be the pvp talent to be immune
16:42.32Semlarit only makes the target immune in pvp
16:42.49nevcairieltake warlock banish then
16:43.24Semlarnobody plays a warlock
16:43.35Ammakomaybe it was meant for hunter pets or something
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16:44.26Semlarthere is no way it lasts a minute on pets
16:44.36Simcasure it does
16:44.40Simcathat's the whole point
16:44.47Semlarbullshit
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16:45.01Semlarpets have the same DR that players do
16:45.12SimcaDR is diminishing returns
16:45.20Simcathis is not DR
16:45.20Semlarand the same pvp duration
16:45.25Simcai don't think they do
16:45.28Semlaryes they do
16:45.28Simcabut i could be wrong
16:45.33Simcai don't pvp much
16:45.38Semlardo you realize how fucked a BM hunter would be if you could remove their pet from the fight
16:46.16Semlarit's only going to last 10 seconds
16:46.45VIadanyone played arena when it was brand new vanilla>tbc transition?
16:46.49VIadthe weeks before tbc opened :p
16:46.52VIadBM was so OP
16:46.55Ammakowe should get people to test all this stuff instead
16:46.58VIadpet killed cloth solo xd
16:46.58Semlardon't get me wrong, hunters are garbage in pvp, but that would just be rubbing salt on the wound
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16:50.07TheDanWSimca: i know traits are linkable in 7.1, need to double check that relics are linkable now
16:50.21Semlaralright are you supposed to actually survey in digsites for the 6 jewels of aellis or am i doing this wrong
16:50.22Simcathanks much <3
16:50.58Semlari haven't gotten any quest item from 2 digsites
16:51.26ConstieTry digging better.
16:51.38Semlari got my dig enchant on
16:51.51Ammakoi dig it
16:52.05ConstieDo you have your Talisman of True Treasure Tracking equipped?
16:52.20Semlari do not
16:52.26Simcai'll probably put this in the forums since it's pretty minor but GetMerchantItemCostItem returns nil for the third return ('hyperlink') when it is a currency
16:52.26ConstieThere you go.
16:52.40Simcashould return a currency link
16:53.06Simcain fact the blizz UI even expects it to in one place, unless that's changed since I looked at it last
16:53.34karl_w_whttp://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/08/business/the-executive-computer.html
16:53.50karl_w_wlooks like somebody overestimated the importance of fishing!
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16:58.01VIaddamn there goes my stocks
17:05.00karl_w_wI've just thought about how insanely fast bullet trains are
17:05.27karl_w_wthe current fastest travels at 1 km every 6 seconds
17:07.08karl_w_wif you were in a perfectly flat desert right next to the track a train would rise from one horizon and disappear over the other in less than 1 minute
17:08.19nevcairielUS going to be mad, they have the kosumoth pet once again? :D
17:08.40FiskerWhy mad?
17:10.40nevcairielbecause they want the mount, i wager
17:12.55FiskerThey never had it?
17:13.34nevcairieldont think so
17:23.33fewyni miss when my TSM shopping scans didn't take 30+ minutes
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17:31.20Semlaralright i have no idea what to do for this archaeology quest
17:31.30Semlari've surveyed like 7 digsites with no quest items
17:31.50SeekerSurvey the ones with quest items?
17:32.04Semlari see
17:32.22SeekerI'm helping :D
17:32.54Semlar"Survey different areas around Suramar until you find the 6 missing Jewels of the Crown"
17:34.16Semlaris there any way to interpret this other than just do every digsite in suramar until you randomly find all of the quest items
17:34.35VIadoh nice
17:34.47Semlarbecause this looks like it's going to take forever
17:36.30nevcairielpretty much
17:36.51VIadnev for fox mount do I need 400 score?
17:36.56Ammakomaybe somebody else found them already and they aren't missing anymore :D
17:39.17Semlarif i just don't do this quest is it going to give me the next one when the archaeology quests turnover
17:40.26nevcairielyes
17:53.14VIadpvp WQ are bugged :p
17:53.30VIadlet me show what I mean
17:53.55VIadhttps://gfycat.com/LimpingGlisteningKingbird
17:54.19VIadit looks like it worked, but it doesn't complete it :p
18:01.35znfYou should invite Guill and TheDanW at the dinner
18:07.01FiskerGuill was there last year I think
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18:12.41TheDanWi'm planning on being there
18:13.00Thunder_ChildGuill is already on the list.
18:13.17Thunder_ChildWhich is good because I have a $20 for him.
18:14.37FiskerThat's a long time to wait for $20
18:17.37znfCool
18:17.39foxlitare you coming, Fisker?
18:17.53FiskerI don't know foxlit
18:18.36foxlitoh? :(
18:19.01Thunder_ChildWho does know foxlit.
18:19.03FiskerLots of things going on
18:19.23znfwhat if I say that I'll be there, too, Fisker?
18:19.25znfyou coming then?
18:19.49FiskerNo
18:19.57FiskerThen I'm more inclined to stay away
18:20.07Thunder_ChildI'll be there.
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18:24.07AftermathhHi everyone
18:28.09AftermathhI basicly want this color into my honor exp bar https://postimg.org/image/ngi5oimup/
18:28.32AftermathhI've tried using local R, G, B = HonorFrame.XPBar.Bar:GetStatusBarStatusColor() and GetVertexColor
18:28.54AftermathhBut dead end, anyone else got any ideas?
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18:38.41ConstieColor picker tool in MSPaint, Aftermathh?
18:40.05nevcairieli would just go read the code where it gets the color from :D
18:40.12nevcairielmaybe its a colored texture
18:40.30Thunder_ChildThat's not PC nevcairiel.
18:41.05FiskerIt's Xbox?
18:42.36AftermathhI'm guessing its a texture, since i don't find any color in the XMLs or so.
18:42.42znf1000 world quests complete :-|
18:42.51nevcairieldid that on the weekend
18:42.55nevcairielalso exalted with all the factions
18:43.11nevcairieland didnt even get an achievement for that
18:43.18znfI still refuse to do anything but +AP and some gear pieces
18:43.25znfI stopped doing the emissary quests on the day they release
18:43.38nevcairielwell if you still have 1000, you still do plenty =p
18:43.48znfI used to!
18:44.04nevcairieli did a few more this week due to the rep bonus, wanted to finish that
18:44.10znffuck, I went in the basement to look for an old GPU
18:44.13znfand got a huge mosquito bite
18:44.16znfit hurts like hell
18:46.24ConstieI'm up to 324. Tryharded a bit today since I'm getting close to exalted with Nightfallen and my second gold trait.
18:46.57nevcairieleven doing just the AP ones every day has you working about an hour for it
18:53.10znfDoes anyone have any idea how to match edac output to dimm serial number?
18:58.11Ammakohuh my screenshots folder is 480MB, neat
18:58.26Ammakoexplains why it takes forever to load its contents
19:02.13p3limfor whoever was testing out my bag addon, it's been updated with support for bank and reagentbank
19:02.42p3limshould be considered stable enough for normal usage
19:04.24relaxokmy hard drive with all my old screenshots on it died
19:04.26relaxok=(
19:04.29relaxokvanilla/bc/etc
19:04.53fewynthe armory is lying to me
19:05.09fewynit says my timewarped item is 675
19:05.13fewynSTOP LYING
19:05.17fewynI KNOW THE TRUTH
19:05.53Fiskerhugs Cairenn
19:05.59fewynactually why hasn't the armory been updated to the new design yet
19:06.05Cairennhugs Fisker
19:06.12FiskerAwesome
19:09.45Ammakothey probably just havent gotten around to doing that part of the website yet :p
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19:49.54znfhttp://mashable.com/2016/10/11/samsung-note7-livestream/
19:52.15znfOH
19:52.19znfQUESTION TIME FOR 7.1
19:52.26znfWho'll fire the questions about the nameplate tokens?
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20:30.58znfwonders where Ironii is
20:32.49znfhe ditched me :-(
20:32.58Guillznf: What's the question?
20:33.29znfGuill, Ironii had it! You guys just said to go to the forum and ask about it because it was more of a gameplay issue
20:33.36znfbasically, we like our enemy grids, and we want them to stay
20:33.51GuillOh, not a technical question. Got it.
20:34.17znfYes :)
20:34.24znfbut for the record, we like our enemy grids
20:34.42nevcairielthe devs didnt, deal with it =p
20:34.49nebulanoted and ignored
20:35.40nebulaalso, wtf, us got the kosumoth pet AGAIN
20:38.22Ironiiznf you need to find a pug :(
20:38.30znfrip keystone
20:40.00znfnot doing it with a pug, no organized group wants to do +6 :D
20:40.24nebulaeh, +6 isn't that bad
20:40.43znfbut groups want easy +2/+3 :P
20:41.16IroniiGuill i was wondering is the intent behind nameplate token changes to stop click-to-cast with nameplate grids or do you also want to block all targeting functions
20:42.35Ironiiso if there is a way to use the grids to target the units, but not cast them, would you fix it in the next patch or let it be
20:42.47Ironiinot cast with them*
20:43.07nevcairielif you can target, you can macro to cast on them with target switching macros
20:43.40GuillWhat nevcairiel said. Being able to target would be functionally equivalent to being able to cast.
20:43.49GuillIf you found a way to do that, please let me know :)
20:43.58znfHe doesn't want to :D
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20:44.26AndolsGuill: Curious about "intrinsic" frames, are you creating those in XML or can you create those in LUA to (the templates)
20:44.49AndolsDefining might be a better word then creating
20:45.09GuillAndols: You'd have to define it in XML, but in theory you could implement most of it in Lua (via an OnLoad that runs first)
20:45.22nebularaging necro this week, orz
20:46.30Andolsok, don't know anything i would use it for yet but good to know =)
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20:57.02modernistdungeon listings with "w/ +4/5/6 keystone before applying" that immediately reject apps
20:57.19modernistand being unable to whisper without first applying
20:57.21modernist:[
20:57.38nebulayou failed the ilvl test
20:58.04nebulaoh, i see what you mean, lol
20:58.06[TOM_RUS]you can whisper without applying jsut fine
20:59.10Ammako"You must sign up for this group to whisper the group leader."
21:01.28relaxokwhy do level 101/102/103/etc missions keep showing up when all my champions are 110?
21:02.05relaxoki just need to do them all or something?
21:03.09[TOM_RUS]<PROTECTED>
21:03.37[TOM_RUS]or install addon that removes that stupid blizzard's limitation
21:04.40Ammakoyeah, but that requires manually typing the name and realm :p i think modernist was referring to said limitation
21:05.21modernistyeah, its just a pita when there's a dropdown right there but its greyed out
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21:06.45modernistthe elitey groups are just as much to blame for being so militant about it all
21:07.07[TOM_RUS]may be TheDanW can tell us why they put that limitation here
21:07.28Ammakogroup finder made it a lot easier for people looking to get free carries
21:10.31Thunder_ChildHeh, I read that as free cookies.
21:10.32modernisti assume its an anti-spam thing, keep interactions confined to the GUI unless neccessary
21:10.55modernistbut it also doesnt work all that well with the nuances of group management from legion
21:11.30modernistbut then, what in mythic+ group finding does? :p
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21:14.46GuillPretty sure you can't message people cross-server via /whisper name-realm (unless they're CRZd with you/applying to your group/etc.)
21:14.57[TOM_RUS]Guill, you can
21:15.11[TOM_RUS]it was some hotfix in WoD that enabled it
21:15.20znfhttp://i.imgur.com/iGBYY8A.png much applicants!
21:15.22[TOM_RUS]"whisper anyone"
21:15.42GuillAh, ok. Well, that was after Premade Groups went in. The UI restriction could definitely be removed if you can whisper anyone now.
21:18.29modernistsplendid
21:20.14znf"Your group has been delisted due to inactivity"
21:20.17znfwell, that's a new one
21:20.35nevcairielif noone even reads the topic, you get thrown out =p
21:21.08nevcairieljust face it, noone wants lonely shadow priests
21:21.21Ammakoshots fired
21:22.51nevcairielmmo's are social games, so build a proper social circle instead of hoping to rely on strangers, unless you're the fotm class or a tank/healer, thats always going to be unpleasant
21:23.14nevcairielalthough i hear raids are mostly fine to pug as any class
21:23.31znfno point in doing that since I'll most likely stop playing in around 2 weeks
21:23.43znfbut yeah, I puged EN HC, too
21:23.59znfCouldn't kill Xavius (10% on it), but still
21:25.31nevcairielwell maybe thats your problem, if you assume you stop playing and therefor dont really invest into real contacts, it'll always be sad =p
21:25.40znfTechnically Shadow is FoTM in raids :D
21:26.05nevcairielsucks in m+ tho, which is what you are complaining about
21:26.32nevcairielin other news i  finally reached prestige 1, considering how long that took, i'm not looking forward to reaching 13 eventually ... but ireally want to look like ursoc!
21:27.12nevcairielthey could've really gone with some more diverse goals for pvp artifact looks instead of just grind, grind and more grind
21:27.30znfwell, I don't make friends easily, the ones I used to have either went to other guilds, or just came back for 1 month and a bit and now they're inactive :D
21:28.58znfI would pug a tank/healer/dps+dps for my key, but 99% chance that either the healer leaves, or the tank leaves, or any of the dps leaves thus unable to complete it anymore (not a big deal if a dps leaves anyway)
21:29.10znfbut healer and tank is crucial
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21:29.31znfI've done some pugs this week, but at least 3 of them ended up in the healer or tank leaving for some retarded reasons
21:29.33nevcairieland this changes when you start a clear group? =P
21:30.02nevcairieli didnt  pug m+ yet because its annoying, but some in the guild do that with great success
21:30.06nevcairielas dpsers too
21:30.34znfIt doesn't, but I would prefer to find a already-formed group which is looking for a keystone
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21:31.31znfbut so far I've got 3 nopes, 2 declines :D
21:31.55znfbecause they don't want to "boost" CoS+6, tough I don't need a boost, I can carry my own weight in +6
21:32.06nevcairieland CoS is even so easy
21:32.32znfI'm hoping this reset changes stuff
21:32.35nevcairielalthough so many people are prejudiced against that place due to the forced RP parts eating time .. but those are just calculated into the timer anyway, so why does it matter
21:33.15znfBAH
21:33.30znfwhen I finally scrolled to a group looking for +5/+6, suddenly this group is no longer looking :D
21:33.32znfthat was quick
21:34.26znfGuill, can we please have the groups we report disappear from the list?
21:34.37znfin premade finder, I mean
21:34.57nevcairielwhat do you report them for, not liking spriests?
21:35.21nevcairielits not your personal filter option =p
21:35.54znf"bestboosts.com"
21:36.44znfEpicCarry .com
21:36.45znfhttp://i.imgur.com/rmcgsCv.png
21:36.46znfetc
21:37.10nevcairielstupid spam is everywhere
21:39.43znffor the rest, I trust Funkeh`
21:40.33nevcairieli dont really get spam much on this small realm
21:40.45nevcairielthe odd line in trade chat every other day, but i dont really pay attention to that
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21:44.57modernistthe calendar invites are my favourite
21:45.06nevcairielnever had those
21:45.50modernistthey usually follow the "SEX! now that ive got your attention..." format
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21:50.21znfI haven't seen calendar invites in ages
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21:52.57nebulai've gotten a few, they were all "I love you" as the event name
21:55.04znfonly US, I guess
21:55.27modernistnah, i have got em on EU-outland
21:55.32modernistits a popular realm though
21:55.49znfwelll, I'm on Kazzak and I don't get them :P
21:56.46znfmaybe badboy clears them?
21:57.57Ammakoi got a calendar invite a month or two ago
21:58.20Ammakothe title was "i love you" and the contents was some unrelated stuff
21:58.25Ammakoso that sounds pretty accurate
21:59.26znfis Xavius LFR this week?
22:01.07nebulanew wing every two weeks, no? i didn't check
22:02.59nevcairielthey first two were in consecutive weeks, but xavius is next week
22:05.04nevcairielinitially they also had an empty week between 1 and 2, but they cut that out
22:05.43Parnicmy mod is setting the GameTooltip to an item using SetBagItem(), but it doesn't respond dynamically to pressing Shift (to show comparison items). it does work if the user is holding shift when the mod calls to show the tooltip. anyone know how to make it respond to Shift?
22:05.44znfI'm still not getting a raid mission at my order hall
22:06.11nevcairielParnic: listen to modifier_state_changed (or whats its name) and refresh the tooltip
22:06.28nevcairielMODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED was correct
22:06.43nevcairielznf: i think i finally got a raid mission tonight, but i didnt start it yet
22:06.48nevcairielshould check if my guys are back yet
22:06.52znfoh
22:06.53znfI got it, too
22:07.04Parnicnevcairiel: ah. by 'refresh' you mean just call Show() again?
22:07.14Parnicor run the entire "set bag item" etc. logic again?
22:07.25nevcairieldunno, see what it takes to work
22:07.28Parnicok, thanks :)
22:07.53nevcairielmeh another hour until the guys are back, i'll jsut send them tomorrow
22:08.17znfyou'll go to bed in 1 hour, just send them from your phone
22:08.29nevcairielalthough it takes forever, would be nice to start them tonight
22:09.26znf14 hours and 24 minutes for me :-/
22:09.36znfmeh, can only get it to 172%
22:10.39nevcairielnearly all my guys have 20 or 30% boost on long missions, that outta help
22:11.20znfha, 177%
22:12.56znfoh, cool, I have enough followers to do the dungeon mission at the same time
22:13.02Ammakoid say thats pretty lucky with all those 7's
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22:30.04znf[01:29:57] You have been removed from the group.
22:30.06znfwell, thanks now, fucker
22:31.03Semlardo you know how many boss kills you need to get the next tier of raid loot from the cache
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22:33.56Semlari've cleared heroic twice and the timewalking reward is normal
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22:35.25Semlari think i have 19 loot-valid heroic kills
22:36.08nevcairielthe timewalking stuff didnt scale up in draenor, i dont expect it to now
22:36.34nevcairielthe only thing that should is the follower mission
22:36.36Infusthe order hall has raid missions
22:36.43nevcairieland simca had those  numbers
22:36.55nevcairielwas 10 for reaching normal, not sure if its 10 for all difficulties
22:36.56Semlarthe raid cache that it rewards doesn't scale?
22:37.22nevcairielthe timewalking one? like I said, did not in WoD, likely wont now
22:38.19modernistoh hell i just realised the only reason i dont have pathfinder is that i havent gotten one of the explorer achievements
22:38.47nevcairielcould've been riding faster by now!
22:39.01modernist*weeps*
22:39.15nevcairielmost in my guild are stuck on nightfallen rep
22:39.22nevcairiel20k takes them a while
22:40.49znfAt this point, I swear tanks are whispering the group leader(s) to kick the shadow priest O.o
22:41.13nevcairielwhy would tanks care more then others
22:42.23Seekerbecause tanks are mean bastards
22:42.39Seekerand they've all agreed to gang up on spriests
22:42.39Ammako:(
22:42.45nevcairielbeing a tank myself, I agree
22:42.49nevcairielespecially to znf-folk
22:43.31znfglobal conspiracy, I tell you
22:44.00nevcairielmaybe there is just a bunch of baddie shadow priests running around, dealing no damage and pulling all the things
22:44.17relaxokthe scaling gets me sometimes.. i had a little trouble with the 2nd mage artifact (ebonchill) at 110 because some of the mobs were hitting like elites
22:44.26Semlarall shadow priests
22:44.48nevcairielthe weapon quests are surprisingly tough on 110
22:44.55nevcairieleasier to do on low level
22:44.59nevcairielunless you gear already
22:45.02nevcairiel+have
22:45.11Semlari think i did them in like full raid gear at level 102
22:45.35Ammakosv artifact one was annoying until i realized i didnt actually need to be sv-specced to place the traps
22:45.40nevcairielthey are supposed to scale to ilvl as well, but full raid gear still has advantages, no doubt
22:46.06nevcairielyeah specs are usually not required
22:46.39Semlari didn't switch specs just because it's such a pain to set up your bars
22:46.49nevcairielthe only tricky part was when I did the balance quest as guardian, it wanted me to range-silence some mob to disable some huge aoe effect ... but apparently i could just run into it and charge through to kick him, who needs range silence
22:46.58Semlarthe spellbook isn't in any sort of helpful order
22:47.04Ammakoi was there with a lv 90 heirloom polearm... then i realized the traps were a hotspot you click on to place the trap
22:47.08Ammakoi was trying to drop explosive trap lol
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22:47.17znfman, I have to change my ethernet cable
22:47.22znf2nd time this week it went to 10mbit
22:47.24nevcairielclass halls sell you 740 weapons for all your specs
22:47.28xyphoidhaha yeah i did all the druid ones as guardian and all the hunter ones as BM
22:47.40Ammakoi was too far away from my class hall, already in the scenario
22:47.55xyphoidoh wait resto was later and i did that as resto with no idea how legion resto worked
22:48.09znfoh, good, so it wasn't just me struggling a bit with the disc weapon at 110
22:48.10Semlaroh right, i literally couldn't do the scenario as survival because i didn't have the artifact and didn't have any weapon other than my bow
22:48.14nevcairielnot sure you can do resto without at least half a capability of healing
22:48.35nevcairielnpcs might die
22:48.53nevcairielSemlar: its funny how noone finds that weapon-selling npc =p
22:48.55xyphoidsurvival definitely doesn't need survival spec tho
22:48.55Ammakosee, i wish the dagger sold by vendor in rogue class hall used the same models as the guards there have
22:49.58Semlarit should give you a weapon when you do the scenario and force you to do it as that spec
22:50.16Ammakored/orange recolor of the invasion dagger, it looks amazing. but we just get some weird random dagger instead
22:56.10znfwhat addon is that annoying shit that keeps saying what everything the guy does?
22:57.04znfbecause I want to beat the shit out of the author
22:57.14Gnarfozthat sentence doesn't make sense
22:57.29Gnarfozwhat is the addon "saying"? (and how?)
22:57.55znf[01:57:17] [I] [Happycoww]: [Shield Block] activated!
22:57.58znf[01:57:19] [I] [Happycoww]: Pummeled Eredar Shadow Mender's [Soul Eruption]!
22:58.08znf[01:55:44] [I] [Happycoww]: Taunted Portal Keeper!
22:59.22relaxoki feel like the artifact appearance differences are too subtle
22:59.43znfyes
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23:01.41relaxokcertainly not something that would make me really focus on unlocking them
23:09.30nevcairielthe main appearances or the different colors?
23:10.00nevcairielsome color variants could probably be more distinctive
23:10.10nevcairielbut the main things look quite differnet for most weapons
23:15.15znfcolor variations are the most useless thing for me :D
23:15.56Thunder_ChildThey are more or less useless for everyone.
23:16.27znfashbringeR!
23:16.30Thunder_ChildThat being said, I still have a preferred color.
23:17.14nevcairielsome of the druid shapeshift color variations change the color of the entire model, not so useless :D
23:17.22znfyeah, the druid ones are cool
23:17.24znfferal/guardian
23:20.17Thunder_ChildI generally consider cosmetic effects to be useless.
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23:29.37Aurohey I was wondering if anyone could look over a commit about importing Simca's LibObjectiveProgress-1.0, The other libraries have been embedable and i've never implemented one that isn't. Right now I can call the function to get NPCWeight, and I see the data load in /dump but it always returns nil.
23:29.41Aurohttps://gitlab.com/hsadler/gottagofast/commit/2b50b2c8169d3194a5fb421072be242b8e917b4e
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23:32.57Thunder_ChildJust blame Simca
23:33.21Aurolol
23:33.29nebulaand he used mercurial :(
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23:43.35Ammakothe prot warrior artifact compels me to make like 4 bloof elf warriors or something with different variations of the name "Link"
23:43.44Ammakohow did I mess up "blood"
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23:54.00Thunder_ChildBeacuse f and d are right next to each other.
23:54.05Thunder_ChildBecause*
23:54.42Thunder_ChildI have no excuse however.
23:54.46Ammakothat makes sense
23:55.12Ammakowell it's easy to accidentally invert two letters in a word too

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