| 00:23.02 | p3lim | could swear there was a way to accurately track a party members rebirth... |
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| 01:29.38 | Semlar | yeah, you can just request the cooldown of any rez spell |
| 01:30.45 | znf | what if the cooldown is not cooperating? |
| 01:31.05 | Semlar | GetSpellCooldown(20484) or something |
| 01:31.39 | znf | I've had so many Ursoc HC wipes tonight between around 4 groups :( |
| 01:31.50 | Semlar | rip |
| 01:32.06 | znf | but at least I got a shadow relic from 1st boss, which is nice |
| 01:33.07 | Semlar | if your tanks are dying they need to learn how to taunt |
| 01:34.49 | znf | nah, people were fucking up on soaking |
| 01:35.01 | znf | we got it to 3%... berserked :( |
| 01:36.08 | znf | got maybe... 4? pulls out of a flask :-/ |
| 01:36.40 | znf | tough life pugging :S |
| 01:36.59 | Semlar | 15 minutes per pull |
| 01:37.11 | znf | "sorry guys, it's late, gotta go sleep" |
| 01:37.23 | znf | search replacement |
| 01:37.26 | znf | wait for him to get there |
| 01:37.31 | znf | pull once |
| 01:37.32 | znf | repeat |
| 01:37.51 | Semlar | unless you have a warlock it's a huge fucking ordeal to get someone into that instance |
| 01:38.27 | Semlar | it would be nice to be able to get to the entrance without having to walk there |
| 01:39.47 | znf | *nods* |
| 01:40.21 | znf | takes about 2 minutes from any boss (except first) to get back to the entrance |
| 01:40.31 | Torhal | caches Semlar for faster instance groups. |
| 01:41.55 | znf | at least they fixed the graveyard |
| 01:42.10 | znf | when you get booted out of the instance, you don't get ported to the barrens anymore |
| 01:42.50 | znf | so you can save 1 minute by removing yourself from the group and get ported outside |
| 02:19.24 | znf | Blizzard's creature designer guys should be forced to spend 1 hour in Shadowfen village with sound on |
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| 03:21.42 | mfgmfg | anyone have a non-en client? |
| 03:22.08 | mfgmfg | someone said my addon doesn't work with their client but didn't give specifics |
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| 03:31.47 | Semlar | viad might |
| 03:34.31 | mfgmfg | is C_ChallengeMode.GetAffixInfo(n) localized? |
| 03:34.56 | Semlar | i'm assuming it is |
| 03:35.05 | mfgmfg | how about GetRealZoneText |
| 03:35.12 | Semlar | yes |
| 03:35.23 | mfgmfg | wonder if the guy just assumed it wasn't localized |
| 03:35.52 | mfgmfg | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/keystone-expander#c1 |
| 03:38.57 | mfgmfg | looks like Ermad made a much better addon though |
| 03:39.40 | Semlar | hm it looks like i got credit for doing my dungeon quest inside of a mythic+ even though it wouldn't let me loot the item |
| 03:39.49 | mfgmfg | arch quest semlar? |
| 03:39.52 | mfgmfg | in nelth's lair |
| 03:39.55 | Semlar | yeah |
| 03:39.58 | mfgmfg | yeah, same |
| 03:40.08 | mfgmfg | just can't loot anything besides chests |
| 03:40.52 | mfgmfg | maybe C_ChallengeMode.GetMapInfo is better than GetRealZoneText |
| 04:00.29 | foxlit | mfgmfg: for fun reasons, your code is broken on ptBR. |
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| 04:07.43 | Semlar | for some reason nobody wants to do my arcway 4 |
| 04:16.16 | fewyn | i stared at an addon that said it was updated 10-01-16 and couldn't figure out why it had an updated tag on it... |
| 04:16.25 | fewyn | i hate date formats |
| 04:18.07 | Torhal | ISO 8601 |
| 04:18.11 | Torhal | Best format. |
| 04:19.07 | fewyn | ha |
| 04:19.10 | fewyn | someone said that in slack too |
| 04:19.49 | fewyn | i've been working with some excel documents this past week and the dates have been in D-M-Y |
| 04:22.05 | Torhal | WTF |
| 04:23.01 | mckenziemc | converts Torhal's date formats to megaseconds. |
| 04:23.04 | mfgmfg | foxlit, what are the reasons? |
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| 04:40.52 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/uvplZ9a.png works with spanish and portuguese so far |
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| 06:28.45 | denyull | hey guys |
| 06:36.33 | denyull | i need a hand with something. is anyone actually here at the moment? |
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| 06:42.32 | denyull | hey |
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| 06:46.38 | _Kee | Instead of asking "can you help me" just ask the question. |
| 06:50.50 | _Kee | Just got "Raid Finder Titanforged" 850 trinket with socket. All would be fine if not fact that I have same trinket 865 Heroic already :| |
| 06:54.28 | Semlar | hey guys hey |
| 06:54.47 | Semlar | het fisker |
| 06:54.53 | Semlar | oh i fucked it up |
| 07:01.27 | Shockah | not sure if you're still interested Semlar, but criteria #6 is Vault of the Wardens |
| 07:01.33 | Shockah | and hey |
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| 07:08.29 | Semlar | hey |
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| 07:22.57 | Torhal | Semlar #6 is Vault of the Fisker? |
| 07:23.05 | Semlar | maybe |
| 07:23.18 | Torhal | :O |
| 07:24.59 | Fisker | no Torhal |
| 07:29.23 | Torhal | No Torhal, Fisker? What have you done with him? |
| 07:29.45 | Fisker | took him to Denny's |
| 07:36.00 | VIad | did silver in VOTW on +5 |
| 07:36.57 | nevcairiel | vault is pretty easy, even th ough many fear it |
| 07:37.45 | nevcairiel | we also did 5 with 2 chests, would like to try it on 6 or 7, but alas no appropriate keys |
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| 07:43.50 | Semlar | haven't managed to get through an 8 within the timer |
| 07:44.28 | Semlar | and the run back in darkheart is ridiculous |
| 07:44.46 | nevcairiel | darkheart is generally rather terrible on m+, imho |
| 07:46.38 | Semlar | i did halls of valor and darkheart thicket on 8 |
| 07:47.52 | Semlar | the drake in darkheart does so much aoe damage |
| 07:48.14 | Semlar | it killed me through aspect of the turtle with the rock fall |
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| 07:53.00 | VIad | GM can't alter the class hall upgrades on players http://i.imgur.com/1o5tdg3.png |
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| 08:06.30 | nevcairiel | quite expectedly so |
| 08:11.16 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:11.19 | bluspacecow | work tiems! |
| 08:18.26 | nevcairiel | planning couldn't have been very "careful" if he didnt inform himself which limitations such traits have, imho =P |
| 08:32.44 | mfgmfg | at least it's faster to switch |
| 08:36.41 | Semlar | how much faster |
| 08:39.18 | nevcairiel | switching is 3 days and 2000 |
| 08:39.30 | nevcairiel | except for the first one, its 1 day and 500 |
| 08:41.05 | Industrial | nevcairiel: With SUF, is it possible to have coundown spinners on buffs/debuffs? |
| 08:41.47 | nevcairiel | they are there by default |
| 08:41.56 | Fisker | What about the last one nevcairiel ? |
| 08:42.08 | nevcairiel | infinity+1, Fisker |
| 08:42.14 | Fisker | Rude |
| 08:45.31 | Industrial | oh just needed to make them bigger :) |
| 09:09.39 | Semlar | oh god only one thing can use the extra action button at a time |
| 09:10.10 | Semlar | i used the emerald winds toy, which gives you an extra action button, to fly into suramar |
| 09:10.36 | Semlar | it replaced the action button with the masquerade thing, and then when i landed it removed the action button completely |
| 09:10.46 | Semlar | so now i can't use my disguise |
| 09:11.06 | Semlar | and reloading doesn't fix it |
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| 09:18.57 | plaw | tickles Mr_Rabies |
| 09:19.17 | plaw | hey folks so what's the go with current WoW on Wine under Debian Stretch? |
| 09:20.54 | plaw | Fisker: |
| 09:21.02 | plaw | sits on Cairenn |
| 09:21.38 | VIad | nevcairiel: it should be possible to play the game without going to wowhead :p |
| 09:22.06 | VIad | at least when picking X vs Y on something like class hall ^^ like how I had no problems with the garrison buildings, they did what they advertised |
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| 09:30.16 | VIad | gonna have to hotfix this issue :p enough is enough http://ss.bool.no/capture_1475400595.png |
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| 09:36.44 | Semlar | i made an addon that highlights the nearest flight path for the flightmaster's whistle, but it doesn't work particularly well |
| 09:37.10 | VIad | I've even experienced it placing me at FP further away |
| 09:37.12 | VIad | for some reason... |
| 09:37.27 | Semlar | i don't know how it works |
| 09:37.42 | Semlar | if it's just the nearest flight point, then differences in elevation must be affecting it more than i would expect |
| 09:39.11 | VIad | that might be |
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| 09:42.33 | Semlar | as long as you aren't pretty close to 2 different flight points it seems to work pretty well |
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| 09:43.03 | Semlar | when i'm in suramar it seems to greatly prefer the flight point in crimson thicket instead of meredil |
| 09:43.18 | Semlar | even when i should be closer to meredil |
| 09:44.43 | VIad | wtb heightmaps |
| 09:45.31 | Semlar | i wouldn't think those 2 flight points are at much different elevations |
| 09:45.37 | ls- | damn.. blizz should make personal loot "invisible" T_T I fucking hate loot drama in pugs... |
| 09:45.57 | VIad | dramas? |
| 09:46.27 | VIad | like when I pug if you get loot its your loot |
| 09:46.34 | VIad | no one has made drama of it, yet :p |
| 09:47.05 | ls- | "oi, mate, that's a nice item you got there, I need it, gibe now!" |
| 09:47.23 | Semlar | you playin with some aussies? |
| 09:47.36 | ls- | brits... many brits... T_T |
| 09:48.23 | Semlar | i've never seen someone attempt to demand another person's item except as a joke |
| 09:48.45 | Semlar | you can't even trade something if it's higher than your gear |
| 09:49.00 | VIad | yes |
| 09:49.19 | ls- | I'm enchanter :p I need everything that appears in my bag, even if it's not an upgrade for me :p |
| 09:49.20 | VIad | also I keep stuff that look cool :p |
| 09:49.38 | Semlar | i'm also an enchanter but i'm going to give someone an upgrade if they want it |
| 09:50.01 | ls- | I'm not spending 800g/cry on AH T_T |
| 09:50.21 | Semlar | then don't give it to them |
| 09:51.14 | Semlar | but i wooooould probably consider someone to be an asshole if they sharded a piece that i could have used |
| 09:52.18 | Semlar | did you at least make sure and do it right in front of them |
| 09:52.23 | ls- | I stopped looting bosses in dungs/raids. I open corpse, see if something is there, loot everything that's not an item and close it :p |
| 09:52.48 | ls- | items are mailed to me later :p |
| 09:53.01 | ls- | postmaster is da real mvp :p |
| 09:53.03 | Semlar | you have a lot more faith in the postal service than i do |
| 09:54.59 | VIad | ^ |
| 09:55.09 | ls- | it never failed me :p |
| 09:55.43 | VIad | or so you think |
| 09:55.54 | VIad | that one corpse that dropped your legendary never got clicked |
| 09:55.54 | VIad | ;d |
| 09:56.30 | ls- | mb, who knows... doesn't bother me, tbh... |
| 09:56.44 | ls- | I always click bosses though :p |
| 09:57.49 | VIad | after the fix to not get bat guano |
| 09:57.58 | VIad | I feel like he ignores a lot of stuff |
| 09:58.15 | ls- | I also dislike people w/ "personal loot helper" addon.. |
| 10:01.05 | VIad | what does it do? |
| 10:07.42 | ls- | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/personal-loot-helper |
| 10:07.48 | ls- | Personal Loot Helper (PLH) simplifies trading of personal loot by notifying you when a drop is not an upgrade for the looter, but is an upgrade for you or others in your group! |
| 10:09.43 | ls- | that's how I see other people after PLH notifications http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/33/33a01a30825196f4b00f785417b3d5989a7700faf618468906251a30e3d5d8df.jpg |
| 10:09.53 | ls- | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3e0EkvIEM |
| 10:11.21 | VIad | LOL |
| 10:11.34 | VIad | I made my own addon but ONLY so I could see who else might need the item I got that I dont need |
| 10:11.41 | VIad | so I could easier trade the right person |
| 10:12.06 | VIad | the begging thing is annoying |
| 10:13.11 | VIad | also WorldMapCompareTooltip1/2 had to add a backdrop texture, no clue why :p aurora is what I decide to blame! |
| 10:14.25 | mfgmfg | VIad, or you can just use PLH but in self-notify mode? |
| 10:14.38 | VIad | I dont use PLH |
| 10:15.16 | VIad | also I wanted to make my own code to have fun coding :p |
| 10:15.26 | VIad | its probably a lot smaller than PLH in term of code amount :p |
| 10:15.44 | VIad | doing exactly what I want ^^ |
| 10:16.19 | VIad | Semlar: in dungeons I guess the game uses scenario progression bar |
| 10:16.29 | VIad | in WQ I managed to make a simple addon to tell me how much % a mob is worth |
| 10:16.44 | VIad | by simply logging the kill of the mob, and detecting the % change |
| 10:17.11 | VIad | also have you done any coding yet on the court of stars "find the guy"? |
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| 10:17.21 | VIad | I have mapped out the possible NPCs and made a table for lookups |
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| 10:18.25 | VIad | its so far just a draft but I can share it if someone else has come further :p |
| 10:19.00 | VIad | http://pastebin.com/q4gjYutu |
| 10:19.53 | VIad | problem is I cant just go in and test so stuff like gossip pages flipping over not firing event is the current problem I didnt fix because other stuff :< |
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| 10:23.23 | Semlar | each outfit has its own npc ID right |
| 10:23.28 | VIad | Semlar: no |
| 10:23.45 | VIad | well |
| 10:23.54 | VIad | when I tested the outfit and ids were odd |
| 10:24.23 | VIad | oh right |
| 10:24.29 | VIad | when you are done the IDs get weird |
| 10:24.31 | mfgmfg | there could be 192 different NPCs in theory? |
| 10:24.34 | VIad | no |
| 10:24.45 | VIad | only a certain amount of combinations blizz use |
| 10:25.43 | VIad | when you enter the ids are one kind, when you discover the right npcs the ids changed so I had problems dumping them properly |
| 10:25.56 | VIad | during the clue hunt I remember that a lot of npcs shared ID |
| 10:26.13 | VIad | so I think it will be problematic having the addon telling you who to click |
| 10:26.16 | VIad | you still have to inspect :/ |
| 10:26.45 | VIad | I sadly didnt do much testing and dont know when I will so just shared my napkin code |
| 10:26.53 | VIad | I guess the db bit is most value :p |
| 10:30.48 | Semlar | anyway, i was thinking if you could just identify the appearance of the npc by its ID then you can just add a set of icons to its nameplate to make them easy to pick out |
| 10:31.06 | Semlar | i assume you can also rule out any duplicates that you see |
| 10:31.14 | Simca | doubt it |
| 10:31.31 | Simca | if blizz did it right, there isn't shit an addon could do for that minigame |
| 10:31.33 | Semlar | you think there can be 2 people with the same appearance that you can talk to? |
| 10:31.38 | VIad | no Semlar |
| 10:31.46 | Simca | every NPC in that room of the same gender will share an ID |
| 10:31.47 | VIad | but blizz does some trickery with the UnitGUID test |
| 10:32.05 | VIad | so during there are clones |
| 10:32.06 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that's not true simca |
| 10:32.11 | VIad | I am a bit with simca |
| 10:32.16 | Simca | like I said, if they did it right |
| 10:32.26 | Simca | who knows, it's blizzard |
| 10:32.27 | VIad | all I know is I too experienced some weirdness with the IDs |
| 10:33.12 | Simca | NPCs can be dressed up with scripting |
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| 10:33.33 | VIad | actually the NPCs have own ID per look |
| 10:33.36 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=112699/suspicious-noble o god |
| 10:33.37 | VIad | but it just doesnt show ingame |
| 10:34.00 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=Suspicious+Noble |
| 10:34.22 | Semlar | wowhead does not handle this model |
| 10:34.49 | VIad | the "Suspicious Suramar Noble" below have the unique looks |
| 10:35.09 | VIad | but they are not directly spawned in the world, rather masked behind another NPC |
| 10:35.12 | Simca | they just have to include 1 male naked nightborne, and then 1 female naked nightborne |
| 10:35.23 | Simca | and then spawn their gear with scripting |
| 10:35.30 | Simca | and viola, addons are fuckt |
| 10:35.37 | VIad | still |
| 10:35.39 | VIad | not quite :p |
| 10:35.44 | Semlar | except half the npcs in that room have different npc IDs |
| 10:35.55 | Simca | then they did it wrong, but like i said, blizzard |
| 10:35.57 | VIad | they share like 3 IDs |
| 10:36.04 | VIad | did you just test, Semlar? |
| 10:36.09 | VIad | like, before completing it? |
| 10:36.15 | VIad | their IDs morphed before and after :p |
| 10:37.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/X3pm26o.jpg |
| 10:38.26 | VIad | hmm those arent even on my list :p |
| 10:38.39 | VIad | wait |
| 10:38.41 | VIad | Semlar: |
| 10:38.46 | VIad | you are targeting the decoration guys |
| 10:38.47 | VIad | ffs |
| 10:38.57 | VIad | not all NPCs are part of the event |
| 10:39.49 | VIad | whealthy elite, fancy noble, haughty aristocrat |
| 10:39.51 | VIad | arent part |
| 10:40.05 | VIad | 107435 on the picture is, thats part of the game :p |
| 10:40.10 | VIad | but then thats good |
| 10:40.13 | VIad | means the NPC have unique IDs |
| 10:40.18 | VIad | so you could have addon targeting and such |
| 10:40.31 | VIad | 107435 is male, dark vest, short sleeves, no gloves, no cloak, book on belt |
| 10:41.01 | VIad | only wowhead shows wrong model :p ingame you can SetCreature and see the right model |
| 10:42.38 | VIad | if we map out the gossip dialogs |
| 10:42.46 | VIad | and have the addon click and scan the gossip |
| 10:42.53 | VIad | then share the info with other addons/chat |
| 10:43.08 | VIad | people can spread out, talk to the guys and addon can say when enough clues are gathered |
| 10:43.21 | VIad | like if there are 2-3 options then you can assign a person to go to each guy marked |
| 10:43.26 | VIad | and just gamble |
| 10:44.33 | VIad | are you doing it just now, Semlar? |
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| 10:46.25 | mfgmfg | hm, door is shut after 1st boss |
| 10:46.35 | mfgmfg | did you have a saved CoS instance |
| 10:48.03 | VIad | the NPC ids are wrong after it ends |
| 10:48.08 | VIad | that I am sure of |
| 10:48.16 | VIad | as I also backtracked and stuff was weird |
| 10:48.30 | VIad | my save is reset by now, its not permasaves |
| 10:48.31 | VIad | or? |
| 10:48.36 | VIad | otherwise I am saved ot mythic mode yes :p |
| 10:48.38 | VIad | did it yesterday |
| 10:48.45 | mfgmfg | weird, i extended my lock from last week but it says all bosses available |
| 10:48.49 | VIad | ah wait it doesnt show up. think we did + :p |
| 10:49.07 | VIad | maybe it is possible to get in with trickery :p |
| 10:49.12 | VIad | but doubt the script is enabled |
| 10:49.41 | Simca | as for bonus objective % completion, VIad, that is on my 'want to do' list |
| 10:50.08 | Simca | all of that data is in the game files already |
| 10:50.26 | Simca | and hotfixed adbs can be scanned too to keep up with updates |
| 10:52.18 | VIad | really? |
| 10:52.23 | VIad | didnt expect LOL |
| 10:52.43 | VIad | like npcid,bonusworth table? |
| 10:52.52 | Semlar | why would you think i'm doing court of stars now, that's the same picture i linked when you first asked about this |
| 10:52.59 | Semlar | i've run that instance twice |
| 10:55.19 | Simca | it's mildly more complicated than that, but close. it's inverse weighting so everything is relative |
| 10:55.35 | Simca | InverseWeight,NPCID,Description,QuestID |
| 10:56.13 | mfgmfg | Simca, can you do that for mythic+ ? |
| 10:56.17 | Simca | sure |
| 10:56.26 | Semlar | seems like they could have just used the health of the mob |
| 10:56.30 | mfgmfg | interesting. Angry Keystone does tracking but only after you kill it once |
| 10:57.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.18 | mfgmfg | what am i looking at |
| 10:58.34 | Semlar | i don't know if you've ever done that fight |
| 10:58.40 | Semlar | but that's not what the platform is supposed to look like |
| 10:59.11 | mfgmfg | how are you at 16/30 essence already |
| 10:59.24 | Semlar | 17 now |
| 10:59.35 | mfgmfg | did you get it on normal AND heroic? |
| 10:59.42 | Semlar | yeah i full cleared both |
| 11:00.03 | Semlar | i think i only killed up to cenarius on heroic last week though |
| 11:00.10 | VIad | also RNG drops |
| 11:00.12 | VIad | :p |
| 11:00.49 | Semlar | and yet i still don't have my legendary |
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| 11:03.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.22 | Simca | i think all mythic+ use the same bonus forces objective bar |
| 11:03.39 | Semlar | simca, calculate the probability of me getting a legendary in the next week |
| 11:03.45 | Simca | and it's just 'small npc', 'normal npc' 'large npc' 'heavy npc' |
| 11:04.02 | VIad | heavy like, rock mobs are worth more because of weight? :p |
| 11:04.13 | Simca | Semlar: 0% |
| 11:04.20 | Semlar | okay, that's also what i calculated |
| 11:04.28 | VIad | 835 TITANFORGED item from WQ box |
| 11:04.33 | VIad | laughing my ass off :p |
| 11:06.29 | Semlar | what mythic difficulty would you need to complete to even match heroic loot from the raid |
| 11:07.28 | Semlar | because it seems like you would need to already be geared to the teeth to do that |
| 11:07.59 | Simca | like 10 |
| 11:08.13 | Simca | and yeah you'd already need to be geared to the teeth and be using a good comp |
| 11:09.19 | mfgmfg | http://www.wowhead.com/guides/mythic-keystones-and-dungeons#loot |
| 11:09.21 | Semlar | alright, i haven't managed to complete an 8 in the time limit, but i guess with the right group a 10 might be plausible |
| 11:09.27 | mfgmfg | m5/6 for order hall chest loot |
| 11:09.32 | mfgmfg | m10 for end-of-dungeon loot |
| 11:09.38 | mfgmfg | to be 865+ |
| 11:10.00 | Semlar | the loot out of the chest scales differently? |
| 11:12.48 | Semlar | is it always titanforged |
| 11:12.52 | nevcairiel | that list on wowhead seems wrong, the end of week chest always seems to give +15 over the normal loot |
| 11:13.14 | Semlar | i thought it was mighty suspicious that all of us got the same 865 titanforged gear |
| 11:13.44 | Semlar | i got an amazing trinket out of my chest |
| 11:14.09 | Semlar | it makes me vomit poison globs on things |
| 11:15.00 | mfgmfg | nevcairiel, no it's right. |
| 11:15.16 | nevcairiel | the page even says its a "best guess" |
| 11:15.25 | mfgmfg | i have a large sample size from my guild |
| 11:15.25 | nevcairiel | so i stick to my info that matches the items i got this week |
| 11:15.30 | nevcairiel | and not that there |
| 11:15.54 | mfgmfg | i recorded the loot everyone was getting from their order chest |
| 11:16.03 | mfgmfg | and noted the minimum levels they were getting |
| 11:16.23 | mfgmfg | and gave wowhead that info |
| 11:17.15 | Simca | Semlar: extremely high chance to warforge/titanforge/+socket/+tertiary stats |
| 11:17.17 | Simca | from what i've seen |
| 11:17.20 | nevcairiel | so its just best guess info then |
| 11:17.22 | nevcairiel | gotcha |
| 11:18.08 | VIad | my friends arent playing much legion because they feel they have to pick one spec and stick to it until end of expansion, since swapping spec isn't just do it, because of AP on other weapons |
| 11:18.12 | Semlar | quest objective: place a work order for a seal of broken fate |
| 11:18.20 | Simca | definitely doesn't give +15 over normal loot, though |
| 11:18.32 | Semlar | doesn't appear to be any indication of how i'm supposed to do this |
| 11:18.56 | Simca | I did mythic 4 (rewards 850s) and got a mythic 4 warforged (860) from my chest |
| 11:19.15 | Semlar | i got a mythic 6 titanforged 865 trinket out of my cache |
| 11:19.23 | Semlar | er mythic 5 |
| 11:19.27 | mfgmfg | yeah it seems to forge from the base level of the mythic+ dungeon |
| 11:19.45 | mfgmfg | so m5 order chest loot always has the titanforged label |
| 11:19.54 | mfgmfg | even if it didn't go above 865 |
| 11:20.19 | Simca | well, m5 would give 850, so lowest titanforged would be 865 |
| 11:20.30 | Simca | since lowest titanforged is +15 |
| 11:21.43 | Semlar | seriously how do i complete this quest |
| 11:21.43 | Simca | oh, enemy forces are handled by the criteria system |
| 11:22.08 | Simca | semlar place a work order at some bro, then use the item you get from the work order (later) to complete a world quest |
| 11:22.17 | Semlar | he doesn't have any dialog options |
| 11:22.29 | Simca | oh, you're talking seal of broken fate, not vanguard thing |
| 11:22.30 | Semlar | i assume because i already bought 3 seals this week? |
| 11:22.35 | Simca | yes |
| 11:22.42 | Semlar | could it possibly give some indicator of that |
| 11:23.04 | Simca | they could include it in the quest text, i guess |
| 11:23.08 | Simca | but it'd be pretty jarring |
| 11:23.29 | Simca | "YO IF YOU GOT 3 SEALS, WAIT A WEEK" |
| 11:23.49 | Semlar | no, they could just have his normal dialog option to get a seal and just say "no you can't do that" |
| 11:23.51 | Simca | they could have made him not give out the quest though if you already had 3 seals |
| 11:23.57 | VIad | it's just the same with the bunker though :P |
| 11:23.59 | VIad | in wod |
| 11:24.04 | Semlar | right now, when i talk to him, he just gives me the quest objective |
| 11:24.09 | Simca | so he wouldn't give out any seals until next week |
| 11:24.20 | Simca | err the quest until next week* |
| 11:24.33 | nevcairiel | i'm sure he would then complain that this bonus is broken and doesnt offer the seal |
| 11:24.33 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 11:25.12 | Simca | then the "no you can't do that" option is better |
| 11:25.17 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.53 | Semlar | i was trying to figure out where the hell this guy wanted me to go to place a work order |
| 11:25.54 | VIad | be happy ou dont have to research the other tier upgrade for 12 days :p |
| 11:26.15 | nevcairiel | changing a tier is only 3 days, dont whine about your bad choices |
| 11:26.40 | Simca | it's also probably a bad idea to change them at this point since you could be getting the double legendary one |
| 11:26.50 | Semlar | ha |
| 11:26.50 | Simca | and they're all pretty trivial gains |
| 11:27.03 | Semlar | you think i'm going to get TWO legendaries in the next two weeks |
| 11:27.03 | Simca | (I don't have a single legendary either, Semlar) |
| 11:27.08 | nevcairiel | what good is double legendary if you dont even own one yet =p |
| 11:27.22 | Semlar | hey, you might loot 2 at once |
| 11:27.29 | Semlar | you never know |
| 11:27.30 | nevcairiel | i did change one of my tiers this week, still researching on legendary now |
| 11:27.38 | Simca | some guy on reddit looted one from each box in a mythic+ |
| 11:28.03 | Semlar | i don't even HAVE the option to instantly complete a world quest from my research |
| 11:28.08 | Simca | some people were suspecting it was because the chests are rolled independently on boss kill |
| 11:28.20 | Semlar | i also don't have follower items to increase the success chance of a mission like you were talking about |
| 11:28.22 | nevcairiel | only like half the classes have that Semlar |
| 11:28.25 | Simca | so he just got super lucky and cheated the system by accident |
| 11:28.26 | nevcairiel | but its also pretty useless |
| 11:29.13 | Simca | the fifth order hall tier in general is pretty useless |
| 11:29.48 | Simca | extra order hall resources when doing WQs with combat ally, seals of broken fate work order, and instant WQ completion work order |
| 11:29.57 | Simca | they're all fairly underwhelming |
| 11:30.00 | Semlar | my options were broken seal or get extra order resources from completing quests with a combat ally |
| 11:30.07 | nevcairiel | mine gives me a unique new troop type with a boss canceling ability, i think thats kinda neat |
| 11:30.27 | Simca | yeah i would pick that in a heartbeat, i forgot druids had that option |
| 11:31.30 | VIad | DH one isn't even a tier |
| 11:31.36 | VIad | complete a world quest VS free seal |
| 11:31.51 | VIad | considering it's limited to only easy WQ, the elite, dungeon, raid, don't count :p |
| 11:31.58 | Simca | oh, really? |
| 11:31.59 | Simca | that sucks |
| 11:32.00 | VIad | yes |
| 11:32.07 | nevcairiel | they explained that ages ago |
| 11:32.14 | VIad | the ingame information DIDNT really mention that at all |
| 11:32.22 | VIad | the ingame text is misleading |
| 11:32.25 | Semlar | it's not particularly surprising is it |
| 11:32.27 | VIad | "complete any world quest" |
| 11:32.39 | VIad | should have added trivial in there |
| 11:32.40 | Simca | we got 2 court of stars world quests this week |
| 11:32.44 | nevcairiel | but you cant claim you did "careful planning" if you didnt try to find out if any particular trait has limitations =p |
| 11:32.59 | VIad | you arent supposed to play the game by being on wowhead all the time |
| 11:33.13 | Simca | so to do the second one, i would have to run a mythic i'm already saved to |
| 11:33.13 | VIad | you should be able to plan your class hall based on info in the class hall |
| 11:33.14 | nevcairiel | no, but if you want to play it without a learning experience, then you should =p |
| 11:33.17 | Simca | in non+ mode |
| 11:33.28 | VIad | learning experience, you mean 12 days time to swap? :p |
| 11:33.36 | nevcairiel | once again: its only fucking 3 days |
| 11:33.41 | nevcairiel | look at the thing before complaining |
| 11:33.44 | VIad | my tier 5 is 122days |
| 11:33.47 | VIad | 12* |
| 11:33.54 | nevcairiel | initial learning is 12, switching is 3 |
| 11:34.19 | Simca | was hoping to use the 'instant WQ complete' to do it, guess i'll just have to let that WQ fall off |
| 11:34.36 | nevcairiel | you could just run it again if you really want to complete it |
| 11:34.46 | nevcairiel | court of stars is pretty quick |
| 11:34.50 | Semlar | my quest in the court of stars is for gold |
| 11:34.54 | Simca | yeah, so is mine |
| 11:35.02 | Simca | so probably not worth it, just would have been a nice free 700g |
| 11:35.22 | VIad | that was my original idea |
| 11:35.28 | VIad | but now DH have no choice |
| 11:35.31 | VIad | free seal |
| 11:35.34 | Semlar | when you sign up for a premade group, do they see your equipped item level or your total item level |
| 11:35.34 | VIad | :p |
| 11:35.44 | VIad | think what the character sheet shows? |
| 11:35.49 | Simca | good question semlar |
| 11:35.56 | Semlar | sheet shows equipped |
| 11:36.03 | Simca | i know the 'you must be this tall to join' bar uses total |
| 11:36.09 | nevcairiel | not that it really matters, if you want to cheat them you can always equip an ilvl yet |
| 11:36.21 | nevcairiel | *set |
| 11:36.26 | Semlar | yeah but do i need to equip my highest level gear is the question |
| 11:36.36 | Semlar | or can they see how big my number is |
| 11:36.41 | Simca | like if it says 840 req and you are wearing 835, you can definitely apply if your total is 840 |
| 11:36.46 | Simca | based on that, i assume they see total |
| 11:36.58 | Simca | but not sure |
| 11:39.02 | Simca | pretty cool, when you start a world quest completion work order, a bunch of paladins come from all over the order hall slowly and then kneel in front of the work order dude and he sends them out |
| 11:39.59 | Simca | so yeah enemy forces stuff can be obtained too, whoever asked that |
| 11:40.36 | VIad | what about WQ, Simca? |
| 11:40.42 | Simca | yeah |
| 11:40.49 | VIad | hmm, interesting |
| 11:40.59 | Simca | https://db.tt/fIF2u7R6 enemy forces |
| 11:41.03 | VIad | so you can go from a NPC ID to some value |
| 11:41.16 | Simca | all of those blank lines under Enemy Forces map to CriteriaIDs, which have AssetIDs set to specific NPCIDs |
| 11:41.30 | nevcairiel | what enemy forces are we talking about |
| 11:41.37 | VIad | progress bar type deals |
| 11:41.41 | Simca | mythic+ bonus bar thing for trash |
| 11:42.14 | nevcairiel | what exactly did you want to lookup in that anyway? i have an addon that shows me numerics either way |
| 11:42.46 | Simca | you're talking about that addon that does it based on memory, right? |
| 11:43.07 | Simca | i.e. first time you kill an NPC, it figures it out |
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| 11:44.30 | Simca | i was wanting to make a library that uses real game data and works for any type of objective bar |
| 11:47.56 | Simca | operator 9 = sum all sub-criteria, looks like |
| 11:48.28 | Simca | and the amount next to 'enemy forces' is the total required, and the amount next to each blank line is the amount the NPC linked to that criteria gives |
| 11:49.16 | Simca | so just simple division should make it work. 1 / 220 = 0.45% for a http://www.wowdb.com/npcs/96247-vileshard-crawler in Nelth's lair |
| 11:49.49 | Simca | 1 / 264 (0.38%) if the 'Teeming' affix is active |
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| 11:50.55 | Simca | i'll package this into a simple library later in the day |
| 11:51.58 | Simca | need to look into what the API gives currently so i can hook up with existing addons better |
| 11:52.21 | Simca | ScenarioID is enough, but I'd like to make it even easier on me and do it by ScenarioStepID |
| 11:52.32 | Simca | dunno if the Scenario API offers that much insight though |
| 11:52.44 | VIad | "shoot her!" |
| 11:54.02 | VIad | the pressure is on, and su'esh is well fed. |
| 12:10.36 | Semlar | it would be nice if you could filter groups out of the premade finder that already had people filling the roles you're trying to fill |
| 12:11.35 | Andols | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/premade-filter |
| 12:11.39 | Andols | With this you can |
| 12:12.18 | Semlar | unfortunately this addon doesn't let you search the same way you do normally |
| 12:13.05 | Semlar | if i type "mythic" into the regular search bar, it gives me all of the mythic dungeons |
| 12:13.17 | Semlar | this addon has no equivalent |
| 12:13.53 | Semlar | you can pick specific dungeons |
| 12:14.15 | Semlar | but i want to see all mythic groups |
| 12:15.23 | Andols | Oh, did not know you could do that :P |
| 12:17.05 | VIad | Semlar: I wish the game allowed me to just search cross categories |
| 12:17.18 | VIad | people often use custom in addition to the main category |
| 12:17.51 | Semlar | i mostly just don't need to see a bunch of groups that already have 3 dps |
| 12:18.14 | Semlar | i have to scan through the list until i find one that's even looking for a dps |
| 12:19.26 | VIad | y |
| 12:19.31 | VIad | I use the "max 2" dps then |
| 12:19.40 | VIad | 99% of the time I set it to "max 1 tank" for raids ;p |
| 12:20.21 | VIad | btw i wish that at some point, trivial WQ got removed and their rewards put as part of other WQ of simialr type :p |
| 12:20.44 | VIad | I can get a 830 trinket, or they could just check my ilvl and maybe replace it with other reward like AP :p |
| 12:21.18 | Semlar | alright this addon is 4000 lines long |
| 12:22.10 | Semlar | any equipment you get from world quests can upgrade as much as 895 |
| 12:22.32 | VIad | you sure, Semlar? |
| 12:22.35 | Semlar | yes |
| 12:22.40 | VIad | 830+ can become 895? doesnt make sense |
| 12:22.50 | VIad | like I usually grind out the WQ just for the rep |
| 12:22.58 | VIad | rarely I get it warforged to like 835 >_> |
| 12:22.59 | Semlar | you can proc titanforged multiple times |
| 12:23.06 | VIad | ,_, |
| 12:23.14 | VIad | sounds too rare |
| 12:23.17 | VIad | to be a real case :p |
| 12:23.22 | VIad | to like aim for it |
| 12:23.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.09 | VIad | lol |
| 12:24.22 | VIad | probably like, 100 people in EU got 895 from WQ .p |
| 12:24.40 | VIad | what about pvp items? |
| 12:24.43 | VIad | 840+ it says |
| 12:28.57 | Sharparam | so uh |
| 12:28.59 | Sharparam | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ng7aqseahy68m0i/2016-10-02%2014.24.26.jpg?dl=0 |
| 12:29.03 | Sharparam | any of you misplace this? |
| 12:33.00 | VIad | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 12:33.16 | VIad | if no one calls dips, it's yours, Sharparam |
| 12:33.32 | VIad | dibs* |
| 12:33.42 | Sharparam | "calls dips", heh |
| 12:51.40 | Thunder_Child | Well, clearly someone put their ride next to everyones elses ride. |
| 12:51.57 | Thunder_Child | s/nes/ne/ |
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| 13:16.05 | Simca | Semlar: all of the people in that thread pretending to understand how the math behind it works makes me want to hurt something |
| 13:16.35 | Semlar | >_> |
| 13:16.47 | Simca | it has never been established what the % chance for a single warforged is, and it has certainly never been investigated for multiple levels |
| 13:17.19 | Simca | i have my own guesses, but almost certainly all of the trash spouted there is wrong |
| 13:17.20 | VIad | shouldnt it be a increasing change the higher ilvl you are for the WQ reward? |
| 13:17.34 | Simca | no |
| 13:17.39 | nebula | thought ion or someone outlined the basic math of it in a dev talk |
| 13:18.03 | Semlar | maaaaaagic |
| 13:18.46 | Semlar | all i know is that they've got a check in there to make sure i don't get any blood relics |
| 13:18.54 | Simca | did anyone ever verify the OP there wasn't lying, btw? |
| 13:19.08 | nebula | i know how that feels, my blood relic is still garbage |
| 13:19.34 | Semlar | i have gotten multiple upgrades on a world quest so it's not inconceivable |
| 13:20.08 | Semlar | i think i got an 865 out of a normal mythic too |
| 13:20.13 | Simca | prior to that post I suspected it was literally impossible to roll over +35 titanforged |
| 13:20.37 | Simca | but i haven't bothered to check that out too much |
| 13:21.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.55 | Simca | 3432,1557,3337 |
| 13:23.34 | Simca | 3432 is 'world-quest-7' |
| 13:24.01 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/134181/world-quest-7 |
| 13:25.48 | Simca | 3337 just adds titanforged and a few other things, 1557 is the ilvl increase |
| 13:26.34 | Semlar | so there's a specific bonus ID for +60 item levels? |
| 13:27.13 | Simca | yeah |
| 13:27.30 | Simca | I suspect the battle.net API is lying to us though |
| 13:27.49 | Simca | 1557 is +85 ilvls, not +60 |
| 13:28.09 | Simca | because the battle.net API doesn't understand that 3432 already scaled it to 835 |
| 13:28.36 | Simca | we noticed for wowdb that the armory was lying about artifact weapon bonusIDs |
| 13:28.47 | Fisker | Noice |
| 13:29.02 | Simca | instead of calculating how relics contribute to ilvl, they were returning +ilvl bonusIDs for the weapon |
| 13:29.29 | Simca | we supported relics properly and then were adding its 'lies' too, since they were valid bonusIDs |
| 13:29.37 | Simca | and were getting very very high artifact ilvls |
| 13:29.57 | VIad | Semlar: my 825 item upgraded to 830 |
| 13:30.01 | VIad | titanfuckingforged |
| 13:30.07 | Semlar | grats |
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| 13:30.59 | VIad | thanks |
| 13:31.09 | VIad | ls- toast said "upgrade" even :d |
| 13:31.31 | ls- | VIad, wut? O_o |
| 13:31.50 | VIad | wq upgraded by 5 ilvl to 830 :p |
| 13:31.52 | VIad | trash shit |
| 13:31.56 | ls- | hahaha :D |
| 13:32.13 | Simca | toast will always say upgrade if it gets bonus stuff |
| 13:32.25 | Simca | doesn't matter if it rolls a socket or +5 or +speed or what |
| 13:32.26 | VIad | should have a "relative" option |
| 13:32.37 | VIad | so if the item was lower ilvl than equipped it wouldnt animate anything special |
| 13:32.56 | Simca | maybe |
| 13:33.08 | Simca | but ilvl means a lot less in Legion than it did in the last couple expansions |
| 13:33.25 | VIad | I always equip higher ilvl |
| 13:33.36 | VIad | thats how the game should work |
| 13:33.43 | VIad | same ilvl variations is fine |
| 13:33.53 | Simca | I don't know how to respond to that, really |
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| 13:34.27 | Simca | i have an 825 ring that is better for me than an 860 socketed ring |
| 13:34.34 | VIad | the difference between going max ilvl vs going lower ilvl that gives the right secondary stats is probably minimal |
| 13:34.48 | Simca | no, it's really not |
| 13:35.00 | Simca | i have nearly 45% crit |
| 13:35.01 | VIad | now I am curious about the two rings :p |
| 13:35.14 | Simca | if i just threw on whatever gear, it would drop to like 20% |
| 13:35.14 | VIad | sounds like the 825 is bugged to shit |
| 13:35.30 | VIad | if it makes you go up 25% crit |
| 13:35.31 | Cairenn | oofs after being sat on by plaw |
| 13:35.48 | Simca | nah, it's not 25% crit difference for that one piece, but across the whole set of gear |
| 13:36.42 | VIad | apparently my bis stat is like leech and armor and almost no gear have that, so is it worth going for 200 leech on a item that has so little of everything else? |
| 13:36.43 | Simca | the 860 is haste dominated, and haste is really really bad for holy paladins because we have frequent procs that bring our cast times near or below 1 sec anyway |
| 13:37.08 | Simca | the 825 is crit dominated, which is arguably our best stat |
| 13:37.16 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 13:37.45 | Semlar | item level is virtually all that matters for marksmanship |
| 13:37.56 | Simca | yeah there are some specs like that |
| 13:38.02 | Simca | fury is like that |
| 13:38.14 | Simca | it's just because all secondary stats are really close |
| 13:38.28 | Semlar | you might have a piece 5-10 levels lower that might be better |
| 13:38.38 | Semlar | if it has really good stats |
| 13:38.43 | Simca | for holy paladins at least, it's really lopsided though. crit is roughly 14x better than haste. |
| 13:38.55 | Semlar | but for the most part, higher item level means more damage |
| 13:39.07 | Simca | sooo, the discrepancy between pieces can reach like 50 ilvls if the higher ilvl piece is haste-dominated |
| 13:39.18 | Semlar | ah, my stats are relatively close |
| 13:39.59 | Semlar | mastery is worth maybe 15% more than versatility, which is my worst stat |
| 13:40.52 | Simca | ah, neat - i see the order hall mission raid tracking stuff here |
| 13:41.05 | Simca | 10 kills per tier to move up, looks like |
| 13:41.36 | ls- | is it possible to complete WQ in M+ dung? O_o |
| 13:41.39 | Semlar | do the kills have to give loot |
| 13:41.39 | Simca | no |
| 13:41.44 | ls- | k |
| 13:41.45 | Simca | (to both) |
| 13:41.46 | Semlar | technically yes |
| 13:42.05 | Simca | ok mr technical yeah, if you killed the world quest mob in a heroic |
| 13:42.08 | Semlar | i completed a quest in a mythic plus earlier |
| 13:42.10 | Simca | then you alt-f4'd |
| 13:42.16 | sticklord | Anyone got a link for the interface art files?:) |
| 13:42.16 | Simca | and then you killed the boss in mythic+ |
| 13:42.23 | Semlar | it didn't even let me loot the quest item |
| 13:42.34 | Semlar | but i was able to turn it in when i got back to my order hall |
| 13:42.51 | Semlar | that was in neltharion's lair |
| 13:42.56 | Simca | that doesn't sound like a world quest, semlar |
| 13:43.09 | Semlar | ehh it was a quest at any rate |
| 13:43.40 | Semlar | there was a spear after the last boss you were supposed to click on to loot |
| 13:43.56 | Semlar | i couldn't loot it, but i still got credit |
| 13:44.00 | Simca | world quests specifically don't work because world quest mobs don't spawn |
| 13:44.07 | Semlar | yeah, special mobs don't spawn |
| 13:44.19 | Semlar | if those are the only types of world quests in dungeons, then i guess you can't do those |
| 13:44.37 | Simca | no, i saw one for DHT the other day that might have worked |
| 13:44.49 | Simca | it was like "0/9 bears killed, 0/1 shade of xavius" |
| 13:44.57 | Simca | didn't sound like it had special mobs |
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| 13:45.26 | Simca | you would probably have to pull a bunch of extra trash in the first area though |
| 13:45.41 | Simca | and that dungeon already has way too much trash (enemy forces will be completed very early) |
| 13:45.58 | Semlar | how about 9 cats, i have no problem killing the cats in there |
| 13:48.51 | Sharparam | man that was a salty lfd group |
| 13:49.04 | Sharparam | accusing me of not being aware i have a dispel. well i never |
| 13:49.30 | Sharparam | priest said they had to repair, they tp out to repair, group engages boss and is like "wtf priest afk kick him" |
| 13:49.56 | Semlar | people are just happy if we make it through the dungeon without me pulling extra mobs as a hunter |
| 13:50.21 | Semlar | nobody expects anything from me, it's great |
| 13:50.29 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 13:50.29 | Sharparam | it's not very easy keeping the group free of debuffs when they apply at a rate of 3 per second and you can only dispel every 8 seconds |
| 13:50.41 | Simca | lol |
| 13:50.57 | Simca | achievement for 100 diff world quests is actually tied to every single world quest in the game as a sub-criteria |
| 13:51.10 | Simca | apparently there are 809 different world quests |
| 13:51.56 | Semlar | why weren't you dispelling |
| 13:52.12 | Simca | 810*, forgot it was 0-indexed |
| 13:52.22 | Sharparam | i was, at the rate i was able |
| 13:52.34 | Semlar | mhm |
| 13:53.17 | Sharparam | and if you're gonna mass pull at the start of instance maybe let me know first so i can top up mana |
| 13:53.35 | Sharparam | normally i don't because 99% of the time tanks pull in numbers where i can just let mana regen on its own |
| 13:53.38 | Semlar | oh i'm going to mass pull alright |
| 13:54.36 | Semlar | you have no idea how frustrating it is when the tank pulls something and tanks it just barely out of aggro range of another group |
| 13:54.49 | Semlar | so i basically can't attack |
| 13:55.00 | Sharparam | :P |
| 13:55.44 | Semlar | because if i use sidewinders or barrage, they're going to hit everything else |
| 13:57.20 | Semlar | i generally end up standing right on top of the mobs so sidewinders don't go all over the place |
| 13:58.43 | VIad | I usually try to pull away from others |
| 13:58.45 | VIad | paths |
| 13:59.31 | Simca | only places i found dispel CD to be annoying was in arcway on the Eye of the Vortex trash ability |
| 13:59.42 | Simca | which puts a 40-50 sec DoT on entire party |
| 13:59.54 | Simca | but that is interruptible and stunnable and mob should be first kill priority |
| 14:00.01 | Sharparam | i miss the days of no-cd dispel |
| 14:00.09 | Simca | and if that cast gets off, the dps should probably kill themselves |
| 14:00.51 | Simca | other place is DHT, first trash puts up a very short duration debuff that has to be dispelled within 2-5 seconds (longer duration on heroic, shorter on mythic) |
| 14:01.01 | Simca | or it explodes for a lot of damage |
| 14:01.02 | VIad | mass dispell, priests |
| 14:01.04 | VIad | so good |
| 14:01.23 | Sharparam | can shadow priests mass-dispel? |
| 14:01.45 | Simca | don't think so |
| 14:02.14 | Shockah | my shadow priest friend says he can |
| 14:02.58 | foxlit | heh, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=217136 |
| 14:03.32 | VIad | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2082646-Kicked-from-a-Mythic-Dungeon-for-DEing-my-PERSONAL-LOOT |
| 14:03.51 | foxlit | appeared without warning and didn't fade for like 60 seconds of me running 100 yards away from anything. |
| 14:04.04 | Simca | wow foxlit, that spelling is impressively bad |
| 14:04.10 | Simca | like i'm honestly impressed |
| 14:04.45 | Simca | 'ignight' |
| 14:04.46 | Simca | so good |
| 14:05.02 | Sharparam | i give it a 5/7 for effort |
| 14:05.54 | VIad | Semlar: got upgrade to warforged, + 5 ilvl |
| 14:06.01 | VIad | I am a huge WQ nerd |
| 14:06.04 | VIad | like >500 WQ completed |
| 14:06.16 | VIad | never ever seen quest item get upgraded above 845 :p |
| 14:06.48 | Simca | i have several times and they've always been downgrades |
| 14:06.54 | Simca | the 860 ring was from a WQ |
| 14:07.07 | VIad | blizz didnt add statistics for WQ |
| 14:07.09 | VIad | only daily Q |
| 14:07.29 | Simca | Quests -> World Quests |
| 14:07.34 | Simca | for achievement for 1k world quests |
| 14:07.42 | Semlar | do all items not have the same upgrade chance |
| 14:08.07 | Simca | nobody knows |
| 14:08.14 | Simca | but i would suspect they all have the same chance |
| 14:08.25 | Semlar | seems that way |
| 14:08.40 | VIad | the idea you can get lucky is good to have |
| 14:08.50 | VIad | but not so fun if you are not getting any benefit from the system, and see many around you do :p |
| 14:08.51 | Fisker | I'm tilted |
| 14:08.55 | Fisker | Also tired |
| 14:09.45 | VIad | blizz changed something |
| 14:09.49 | VIad | if I fall and glide ability on my DH |
| 14:09.57 | VIad | the direction of my glide isnt changed asap, nor fall speed |
| 14:10.11 | VIad | I guess server now confirm, while some weeks ago or like when legion was new I never had issues |
| 14:10.24 | VIad | I could literally fall near the ground, glide, instant slowed+changed direction to my facing |
| 14:10.39 | VIad | god damn exploiters, probably why it was changed |
| 14:11.04 | Sharparam | i never understood why these trinkets from brewfest are not possible to DE OR vendor |
| 14:11.12 | Sharparam | i mean DE might make sense so you can't farm mats, but vendor? |
| 14:11.25 | VIad | first of all does boss drop anything anymore? |
| 14:11.30 | VIad | arent the items in the box? |
| 14:11.32 | Sharparam | i got the pickled egg now |
| 14:11.34 | Sharparam | from boss |
| 14:11.35 | Fisker | Good |
| 14:11.50 | Sharparam | yesterday i got one of those tankard trinkets, which you CAN de |
| 14:11.51 | Fisker | I hope DH gets nerfed to hell |
| 14:12.05 | VIad | why Fisker? |
| 14:12.25 | Fisker | Worst class in the game |
| 14:12.38 | VIad | so why do they need a nerf if they are the worst class in game? |
| 14:13.12 | Fisker | Because I'm not talking about being the worst in terms of powerlevel |
| 14:13.49 | Simca | maybe fisker plays a rogue |
| 14:13.56 | Simca | and spectral sight makes him hate life |
| 14:13.58 | VIad | you mean you want to nerf their damage so that you have a raid team that now clears trash slower and somehow that feels better? |
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| 14:14.24 | VIad | "yes DH see now you suck and our raid now lacks trash dps" |
| 14:15.30 | Fisker | I used to play rogue Simca |
| 14:15.43 | Fisker | Nope VIad |
| 14:17.15 | VIad | as a tank I dont like the "nerf DH" talk :p |
| 14:17.37 | VIad | instead I prefer tanks to work kind of similar but have their unique abilities |
| 14:17.44 | VIad | like how priests can mass dispell, and no other healer can |
| 14:17.55 | Fisker | Alternatively remove them |
| 14:18.27 | VIad | you are just salty because you get ganked in world pvp |
| 14:18.55 | Fisker | Nope |
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| 14:31.39 | karl_w_w | when you're filling your car with fuel, what's the name of the part you hold in your hand? |
| 14:31.45 | karl_w_w | my mind has gone blank |
| 14:31.49 | Semlar | the nozzle? |
| 14:32.21 | VIad | the hose? |
| 14:32.34 | Semlar | the handle, really, i imagine |
| 14:32.39 | karl_w_w | nozzle sounds good to me |
| 14:32.49 | VIad | the designated gripping area? |
| 14:33.02 | Semlar | flamethrower |
| 14:33.05 | karl_w_w | the holdymajig |
| 14:36.56 | Snowkrim | Hi! Does anyone have an idea how one could track this proc: http://www.wowhead.com/spell=195615/black-ice ? It does not grant a visible buff. Sometimes when you generate Icicle (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=76613/mastery-icicles) it will get generated with a 100% damage bonus thanks to this trait. How could one track when this proc occurs? Is there a chance there's some kind of hidden event happening? :( |
| 14:37.41 | Semlar | it may cause a UNIT_SPELLCAST event |
| 14:37.49 | Semlar | or show up in the combat log |
| 14:38.10 | Snowkrim | nothing in the combat log |
| 14:38.50 | Semlar | if there's no UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED event, you're probably out of luck |
| 14:39.23 | Snowkrim | hm ok we'll check for that |
| 14:39.36 | Snowkrim | making an addon (modernist is not me, i just test) to track icicles damage |
| 14:39.44 | Snowkrim | and its actually all in naught if one can't track this trait proccing |
| 14:39.46 | Snowkrim | cause it will never be accurate :< |
| 14:40.42 | Semlar | if you only care about tracking it after the fact, it should be obvious when the spell is hitting twice as hard |
| 14:41.14 | Snowkrim | na the way it works is you 'store' them |
| 14:41.19 | Snowkrim | and then can later release with Glacial Spike |
| 14:41.26 | Snowkrim | glacial spike does base damage + damage of stored icicles |
| 14:41.40 | Snowkrim | and we're trying to make an addon that will predict the total damage of glacial spike |
| 14:41.48 | Semlar | i see |
| 14:41.59 | Snowkrim | but it's all for nothing if the icicles stored randomly get 100% dmg boosts and we can't know which ones/when :P |
| 14:42.12 | Snowkrim | so ya.. gonna check for events and if nothing there I guess it's a rip :D |
| 14:42.36 | Snowkrim | https://github.com/obble/iipice/blob/master/icicle.lua |
| 14:42.37 | Snowkrim | code so far |
| 14:44.03 | modernist | its a fair mess as i've been updating the guys' old WoD code, when really i should probably have written from scratch |
| 14:44.18 | Snowkrim | :D |
| 14:44.22 | Snowkrim | it's okay no excuses now |
| 14:44.27 | Snowkrim | hehehee |
| 14:44.56 | modernist | just hammering my warning sign in to the ground |
| 14:46.26 | Snowkrim | ok I think we are in luck |
| 14:46.30 | Snowkrim | there's an event for it :D |
| 14:48.44 | Snowkrim | ..maybe :P |
| 14:58.41 | Simca | local criteriaString, criteriaType, completed, quantity, totalQuantity, flags, assetID, quantityString, criteriaID, duration, elapsed, _, isWeightedProgress = C_Scenario.GetCriteriaInfo(criteriaIndex) |
| 14:58.54 | Simca | i think the enemy forces stuff is already accessible via the API lol |
| 14:59.46 | Simca | i guess i could do broken shore on an alt |
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| 15:03.06 | VIad | what about the worth on each npc? |
| 15:03.54 | Simca | possibly. assetID and criteriaType flags indicate that it is pulling from Criteria.db2 which does have the raw worth of each NPC |
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| 15:16.29 | Simca | yep |
| 15:16.38 | Simca | i think you can pull every mob here, by NPCID |
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| 15:19.53 | Simca | aw, dman |
| 15:19.54 | Simca | damn*' |
| 15:20.33 | Semlar | wait what |
| 15:20.44 | Semlar | you can get how much each mob is worth through the api? |
| 15:20.59 | Simca | nah, i was wrong, it only works in some places |
| 15:22.06 | Simca | not really sure why |
| 15:23.29 | Simca | broken shore only shows 1 criteria |
| 15:23.43 | Simca | but it actually lets you query 4, the parent criteria and its sub criteria |
| 15:23.47 | Simca | ohhhh, i see why |
| 15:23.53 | Simca | it doesn't let you query 2nd-level children |
| 15:27.15 | Simca | enemy forces is a child criteria of the 7.0 Dungeon - Neltharion's Lair - Challenge (More Trash) criteria |
| 15:27.24 | Semlar | orphans |
| 15:27.35 | Simca | and then each NPC is a child of enemy forces |
| 15:27.49 | Simca | to the API, 'grandchildren' don't exist |
| 15:28.10 | VIad | Semlar: I got into the nighthold on accident |
| 15:28.14 | znf | lol https://i.redditmedia.com/cl90cT3fPE33OvtOpZcWUYNYQIpKLPAxmaI8g26RHnY.jpg?w=1024&s=a2068b88aa3fc4a56e281feb212a59d2 |
| 15:29.23 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/upload_15fc8ab5.jpg |
| 15:29.31 | Simca | Semlar: you can get the real total sum behind enemy forces though |
| 15:29.53 | Simca | not a ton of use for that, but it lets you calculate the exact difference between Teeming and non-Teeming |
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| 15:32.36 | Simca | i.e. 210 for VotW, 252 for VotW - Teeming |
| 15:34.55 | Snowkrim | anyone got any ideas for tracking when this procs - http://www.wowhead.com/spell=195615/black-ice ? there's seemingly no UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED event for it, is there no hope in that case? |
| 15:36.04 | Semlar | only if you know what the damage should have been without a proc |
| 15:36.20 | Snowkrim | I do, but we have to know if it procd before releasing the icicle |
| 15:36.24 | Snowkrim | otherwise there's no point |
| 15:37.15 | Snowkrim | could it be some kind of different type of event or no chance |
| 15:37.16 | Semlar | if there's no aura and it's neither in the combat log nor triggers a spellcast event, you can't track it |
| 15:37.22 | Snowkrim | ah well ;< |
| 15:37.59 | Semlar | unless you can infer that it procced from something else, which it doesn't sound like you can |
| 15:38.12 | VIad | that portal effect on tom of sargeras is really good |
| 15:39.53 | Snowkrim | well it's kinda weird how it works Semlar, |
| 15:40.00 | Snowkrim | you have an aura for the Icicles |
| 15:40.04 | Snowkrim | and it stacks to 5 the aura |
| 15:40.13 | Snowkrim | and one of those Icicles have a chance to get affected by the Black Ice |
| 15:40.22 | Snowkrim | when that happens, those icicles leave a shadowy trail even |
| 15:40.31 | Snowkrim | so it definitely sounds like there might be something somewhere triggering when it happens, but idk :| |
| 15:40.45 | Snowkrim | you generate the icicles via casting frostbolt |
| 15:41.00 | Snowkrim | so 5 frostbolts = 5 icicles, each having 20-25% chance to get affected by the black ice |
| 15:41.14 | Snowkrim | then if you release all 5 icicles some of them will have a shadow effect on them since they were affected by black ice |
| 15:41.33 | Snowkrim | and it's not like that happens as you release them, the black ice effect gets stored long before that (as soon as icicle is generated) |
| 15:41.37 | Simca | there could be a different type of event |
| 15:41.48 | Simca | make sure you're looking at all event types at once, using /etrace |
| 15:43.20 | VIad | pretty https://gfycat.com/ImmaculateAppropriateAmberpenshell |
| 15:53.17 | foxlit | it's somewhat sad that most mythic+ groups have item level requirements that are at least as high as the item level of the loot the dungeon drops. |
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| 15:54.02 | Semlar | if you want to make the timer you practically have to outgear the dungeons |
| 15:56.40 | foxlit | somehow my impression was that making the timer is not difficult; getting people to not screw up majorly is. |
| 15:57.18 | Semlar | i have yet to complete a mythic+ that drops higher than my average item level within the time limit |
| 15:57.30 | Sharparam | that sounds similar to saying "killing bosses on mythic isn't hard, getting people to follow tactics is" |
| 15:59.38 | foxlit | the prevailing pug tactic seems to be "pull everything except obvious patrols and then die horribly" |
| 16:01.00 | Semlar | in the higher levels, especially with overflow, things are hitting so hard it's difficult for the healer to keep everyone alive through a boss fight |
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| 16:01.54 | Semlar | mythic 8 is something like 79% more damage |
| 16:02.16 | VIad | its like, key mobs that wreck you, otherwise its not that bad |
| 16:02.27 | VIad | warden first miniboss rekt us hard |
| 16:02.32 | VIad | other than that the rest was pretty okay |
| 16:02.34 | VIad | +5 key |
| 16:02.36 | VIad | raging |
| 16:03.50 | Sharparam | what was the lockout mechanic on mythic dungeons, loot lock or completely locked out? |
| 16:03.58 | Semlar | also, sanguine wiped my group in darkheart after we aoe'd like 30 slimes down and then tried to walk over where they died |
| 16:04.24 | Semlar | it just instantly killed everyone |
| 16:05.03 | Semlar | loot only |
| 16:09.59 | znf | Sharparam, Mythic is loot only. Mythic+ has no lock, other than the keystone. |
| 16:10.09 | Sharparam | neat |
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| 16:22.04 | Semlar | apparently worldflightmap doesn't work with the hunter's eagle flight network |
| 16:22.28 | Simca | VotW first miniboss is the hardest part of that dungeon with some of the modifiers |
| 16:22.39 | Simca | the one that improves trash HP and damage by 40% makes her insane |
| 16:23.07 | Semlar | i don't even know what mob you're talking about |
| 16:23.40 | Semlar | the one that comes down in the first room? |
| 16:24.10 | nevcairiel | Simca: thats why you skip her ass |
| 16:24.24 | nevcairiel | skaggldrink to victory |
| 16:24.43 | Simca | Semlar: DH mob, she's like 2 pulls in |
| 16:25.21 | nevcairiel | hp and damage by 40% sounds like the ordinary level increases, not a modifier, tho =p |
| 16:25.22 | Semlar | she's never been much of an issue |
| 16:26.36 | Semlar | she transforms when she gets low and i just pop my cooldowns and burst her down |
| 16:26.55 | Simca | nevcairiel: it's a modifier on top of those |
| 16:27.20 | Semlar | the hardest part of that instance is the second boss |
| 16:28.15 | foxlit | Sharparam: that sounds similar to saying "killing bosses on mythic isn't hard, getting people to follow tactics is" << well, maybe :) |
| 16:28.58 | foxlit | It's just that I don't think I've ever seen a run that went smoothly, with nobody dying, and yet failed to beat the timer. |
| 16:29.33 | Semlar | yeah well the trick is to actually pull fast enough while not dying |
| 16:30.19 | Semlar | which means you can't waste time CCing things for the most part |
| 16:30.38 | Semlar | so there's generally a lot of damage going out |
| 16:32.10 | Semlar | and some modifiers require making sure the mobs die at the same time, so you have more mobs up at once |
| 16:33.44 | nevcairiel | Simca: thats the 10+ affix isnt it, at those levels they are incredibly hard-hitting already anyway |
| 16:34.04 | Simca | yes, which makes that affix all the more crazy |
| 16:34.16 | Simca | her AoE after transform hits for like a million |
| 16:34.29 | Simca | every couple seconds |
| 16:35.10 | nevcairiel | hence, skipping |
| 16:35.20 | nevcairiel | she is painful and s low no matter which level |
| 16:35.21 | Simca | yeah |
| 16:35.27 | Simca | true |
| 16:35.35 | Semlar | do you suppose they're going to increase the item level from mythic+ at some point or you're just going to have to progress into absurd levels to keep pace with other sources of gear |
| 16:36.04 | Semlar | because the damage going out would very quickly be impossible to deal with regardless of your gear |
| 16:36.30 | nevcairiel | yeah incoming damage goes up way stronger then required damage, in comparison |
| 16:36.39 | Simca | they could just retune it |
| 16:36.58 | Simca | to make sure that isn't the case, at least until you get past the raid gear base ilvl |
| 16:37.16 | Semlar | maybe put a cap on the damage modifier |
| 16:38.26 | foxlit | got to motivate Semlar to take those -%damage artifact traits somehow :) |
| 16:38.33 | Semlar | D: |
| 16:38.53 | Semlar | yeah that 3% less damage for 6 seconds after disengaging will finally come in handy |
| 16:39.44 | Semlar | i died to the falling rocks on the drake boss in darkheart with aspect of the turtle up |
| 16:40.17 | Semlar | it also doesn't work on the meteor from the last boss in eye of azshara |
| 16:40.33 | Semlar | it just one-shots you through it |
| 16:40.44 | Simca | right |
| 16:40.51 | Semlar | i really don't like that the ability just randomly doesn't work for some mechanics |
| 16:40.57 | Simca | can't deflect or reflect non-targeted AoE |
| 16:40.59 | Semlar | and i don't know which ones |
| 16:41.27 | Semlar | is this because of the spell reflect glyph |
| 16:41.31 | Semlar | that doesn't even exist any more |
| 16:41.42 | Simca | no |
| 16:42.22 | Simca | the spell is basically deterence |
| 16:42.48 | Simca | and has the same flaws, including the fact that it doesn't handle AoE attacks unless they directly target you |
| 16:42.56 | Semlar | yeah, but deterrence worked on void zones |
| 16:43.17 | Semlar | people were using the spell reflect glyph with it in highmaul to kill mythic butcher |
| 16:43.36 | Semlar | because it was reflecting the damage from his void zones that you had to stand in |
| 16:43.46 | Simca | i'd have to look at the spells but it is likely a slightly different mechanic than the falling rocks |
| 16:44.01 | Simca | idk if the rocks apply a debuff that deals damage for the aoe, or maybe the void zone did |
| 16:44.09 | Semlar | it does work on most ground effect |
| 16:44.22 | Simca | but there are like 20 different ways in WoW to achieve a similar result with damage from spells |
| 16:44.30 | Semlar | i think it normally works on the cave-in |
| 16:44.32 | Simca | and blizzard is not very consistent about using one vs another |
| 16:44.38 | Semlar | but i used it late and it killed me through it |
| 16:45.36 | Semlar | that ability does so much damage and it's unavoidable when it goes down |
| 16:46.02 | Semlar | without a defensive i don't think i could survive being targeted with it |
| 16:46.21 | Simca | tbh i've never noticed, you must have already been low HP |
| 16:46.32 | Semlar | nah it could kill me from full health |
| 16:46.38 | Semlar | hunters are squishy as fuck |
| 16:47.10 | Semlar | although i feel like i die to things that nobody else takes damage from |
| 16:47.26 | Semlar | like the brambles on cenarius instantly kill me and i see people standing in them all the time |
| 16:48.06 | Simca | ~385k damage instantly, ~371k damage every second |
| 16:48.21 | Semlar | yeah, except for me it's 500k damage 3 times instantly |
| 16:48.23 | Simca | according to the journal. so at a high mythic, standing in it for a few seconds is death |
| 16:48.33 | Semlar | and then get battle rezzed, and die to brambles again even though i'm not in them |
| 16:48.43 | Simca | I was talking about the cave-in thing |
| 16:48.44 | Simca | but yeah |
| 16:50.41 | Semlar | i wish i had logs of that |
| 16:51.03 | Semlar | i need to start logging things |
| 16:51.28 | mckenziemc | ~logs |
| 16:51.28 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
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| 16:56.13 | Snowkrim | is there some better/more convenient way to log/capture and even compare events than just /eventtrace? |
| 16:56.17 | Snowkrim | maybe some addon out there? anyone know |
| 16:57.34 | Xuerian | Only thing remotely like that I'm aware of is EventTracker. |
| 16:58.39 | Snowkrim | trying to find if there's maybe some kind of hidden/unobvious event happening when this procs: http://www.wowhead.com/spell=195615/black-ice |
| 16:58.44 | Snowkrim | but it's a PITA :< |
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| 17:51.33 | Simca | you can unregister events from eventtrace |
| 17:51.36 | Simca | if they are being annoying |
| 17:54.32 | Sharparam | yeah but sometimes you just want to listen to a few |
| 17:54.42 | Sharparam | i've been thinking about making some improved etrace thing, if one doesn't already exist? |
| 17:54.49 | Sharparam | could probably just modify the default etrace |
| 17:56.45 | Simca | you can unregister all events |
| 17:56.51 | Simca | and just register the ones you want to eventtrace |
| 17:57.32 | Sharparam | as existing functionality or by modifying the various EventTrace_ objects? |
| 17:57.45 | Simca | EventTraceFrame:UnregisterAllEvents() |
| 17:57.49 | Sharparam | mhm |
| 17:57.54 | Simca | it's pretty easy |
| 17:57.56 | Sharparam | well, optimally also updating its various internal states |
| 17:58.02 | Sharparam | so it behaves as expected |
| 17:58.13 | Sharparam | it has some ignoredEvents table |
| 17:58.32 | Simca | it works fine if you just hide events from it through unregistering |
| 17:58.38 | Simca | you don't have to get any more complicated than that |
| 18:00.30 | Simca | between EventTraceFrame:Register* and Unregister* and /etrace start and /etrace stop |
| 18:00.43 | Simca | you can generally get everything you need |
| 18:00.54 | Gnarfoz | something is making my worldmap reset its zoom whenever I zoom in >_< |
| 18:00.57 | Gnarfoz | someone fix it! |
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| 18:03.31 | Sharparam | also hooking the slash command so i can do /etrace UNIT_HEALTH SOME_OTHER_EVENT [...] |
| 18:10.14 | Simca | got stupidly lucky with corrupted ashbringer. when i logged on after being an alt for a while, slime was up |
| 18:10.21 | Simca | and got shard on 31st fishing cast |
| 18:11.26 | Simca | some people have camped for 30+ hours now, and others have fished upwards of 3000 casts |
| 18:11.38 | Sharparam | will LoadWith ensure that it's loaded after the addon(s) specified? |
| 18:12.16 | Simca | think so |
| 18:12.42 | Simca | but so do several more documented methods like optionaldependency |
| 18:12.49 | nebula | i'm glad i got my prot war hidden appearance before they hotfixed it to be a daily chance |
| 18:13.06 | Simca | it was supposed to be a daily chance all along, was just bugged |
| 18:13.09 | Simca | same with arcane mage |
| 18:13.12 | nebula | well yea |
| 18:13.45 | nebula | and with opt, it forces those to load when it loads, loadswith only loads after the targets are loaded |
| 18:14.01 | nebula | optdep* |
| 18:24.14 | Semlar | stop hacking simca |
| 18:24.36 | Fisker | Simca is the hackeriest |
| 18:24.52 | Simca | would have rather had a legendary |
| 18:25.53 | Semlar | even the CC ring? |
| 18:26.08 | Simca | well |
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| 18:26.10 | Simca | probably not |
| 18:26.28 | Sharparam | nebula: "forcing to load when it loads" wouldn't work for this since i need to have it the other way around :P at least that seems simpler |
| 18:26.33 | Sharparam | so loadswith should work better |
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| 18:27.28 | Simca | 2 out of the 5 legendaries in my guild are that shit ring |
| 18:27.32 | nebula | was what i was going for, just stating the difference between optdep and loadwith |
| 18:27.54 | Simca | loadswith was designed for Load on Demand addons |
| 18:28.45 | Simca | i think it'll work for what you're trying to do, but there's probably not a lot of testing behind it |
| 18:30.29 | Sharparam | https://gist.github.com/Sharparam/a8e64936609b9e0d9fc78a6067a7a569 |
| 18:30.32 | Sharparam | this works nicely |
| 18:37.50 | Semlar | is it possible to cancel an order hall research in progress |
| 18:38.04 | Semlar | or do you have to wait like 2 weeks for it to finish |
| 18:38.08 | Gnarfoz | the latter |
| 18:38.35 | Semlar | well there goes my plan to test this on the PTR |
| 18:39.09 | Gnarfoz | anyone got tips for when Dro won't spawn in the Withered Training Scenario? |
| 18:43.21 | nebula | i've just had to run around that other ring back and forth to get him, i'm not sure his actual patrol path |
| 18:43.34 | nebula | outer ring* |
| 18:44.25 | Semlar | he patrols ridiculously far |
| 18:45.00 | Gnarfoz | I gave up |
| 18:45.03 | Semlar | presumably you could just wait on the stairs or something until he runs into you |
| 18:45.13 | Gnarfoz | had 628 score and 50 withered even before going into his area |
| 18:45.30 | Simca | he doesn't patrol |
| 18:45.44 | Semlar | he definitely patrols |
| 18:46.03 | Simca | my dro was sitting in a pool of water for 20 minutes while i scoured the ends of the earth for him |
| 18:46.13 | Simca | i finally went swimming and found him |
| 18:46.18 | nebula | he was scurred |
| 18:46.25 | Semlar | he might have gotten stuck |
| 18:46.57 | Gnarfoz | I was in the pool of water |
| 18:47.06 | Gnarfoz | downstairs in the central room, that is |
| 18:47.12 | Simca | yeah |
| 18:48.01 | Gnarfoz | nowhere to be f ound, whatever |
| 18:48.55 | Simca | if you don't care about more chests (because you've got them all), then there's no benefit to going further anyway |
| 18:50.13 | nebula | is there some way to just end the scenario? you can't click off the withered buff, can you? |
| 18:50.27 | Gnarfoz | you can talk to Thalyssra again |
| 18:50.30 | Gnarfoz | she'll end it |
| 18:50.42 | Gnarfoz | apart from that, set the withered to mayhem and run away from them |
| 18:50.43 | nebula | well yea, but she's all the way at the start |
| 18:50.59 | Gnarfoz | small chests spawn later during the run anyway, so running back is kind of worth it |
| 18:51.17 | nebula | oooh, 50ap and some ancient mana |
| 18:51.28 | nebula | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.33 | Gnarfoz | town portal scrolls, engineering rank 3 recipes |
| 18:51.58 | Gnarfoz | I haven't gotten AP from it, though |
| 18:52.01 | Gnarfoz | that'd be nice |
| 18:52.35 | nevcairiel | there is recipes for you in the small chests? |
| 18:52.39 | nevcairiel | i only get mana crap |
| 18:52.40 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 18:52.54 | Gnarfoz | just got it, too... guildie is mad because he told me minutes before my run xD |
| 18:54.14 | mckenziemc | i've forgotten whether -1 converts to true or false in C :( |
| 18:57.49 | nevcairiel | true is != 0 |
| 18:57.50 | zenzelezz | IIRC, everything except 0 does |
| 18:58.07 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/jZ neato |
| 18:58.21 | znf | <Gnarfoz> apart from that, set the withered to mayhem and run away from them |
| 18:58.24 | znf | right click your buff |
| 18:58.37 | Gnarfoz | tell that to who asked |
| 18:58.43 | znf | I don't know who asked! |
| 18:58.53 | znf | nebula asked |
| 18:58.58 | znf | yes, you can right click it a bunch of times |
| 19:00.58 | nebula | i see, thought you could, but then went to do it and nothing happened |
| 19:02.09 | znf | uhm, worked for me last night O.o |
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| 19:27.12 | Snowkrim | does anyone know a cast bar addon that actually has a different color for interrupted casts? and by interrupted I mean kicked/spell locked. quartz/acb/gnosis all show the same color for casts you stop voluntarily and casts that are kicked. |
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| 19:47.48 | Gnarfoz | :SSSS |
| 19:47.57 | Gnarfoz | what do I need to look at if an addon keeps resetting my worldmap zoom? |
| 19:48.00 | Gnarfoz | so annoying |
| 19:48.26 | mckenziemc | deleting your interface and WTF folders, of course |
| 19:48.28 | Gnarfoz | Ermad: I hope it's not you :( |
| 19:48.35 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: good starting point, let me get right on that |
| 19:59.28 | znf | you're fucked Ermad |
| 19:59.36 | znf | featured on mmo-c |
| 20:00.42 | Fisker | Featured for being fucked? |
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| 20:08.30 | fewyn | i prefer world quest list |
| 20:08.47 | znf | that sucks |
| 20:08.53 | znf | angry world quests is the best |
| 20:08.53 | fewyn | you suck |
| 20:09.07 | fewyn | angry looks prettier |
| 20:09.34 | fewyn | i like to be able to stare at the huge list and tell at a glance things |
| 20:11.24 | Gnarfoz | I use both angry wq and broker_wq, so there! |
| 20:13.47 | karl_w_w | https://i.imgur.com/LlqaAPO.png |
| 20:15.44 | znf | O.o |
| 20:15.53 | znf | what is that, karl_w_w ? |
| 20:16.00 | nebula | what is that? ios on an android phone and andriod on an apple phone? |
| 20:16.21 | karl_w_w | it's a pixel phone and an iphone |
| 20:16.35 | karl_w_w | the image on the screen swapped just for fun |
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| 20:36.59 | fewyn | i'm so sad... i had to trim back my beard (which was now 3-4" long), was having a heck of a time with split ends |
| 20:37.50 | karl_w_w | Should have tried six months in a leaky boat |
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| 20:39.05 | Freddan962 | Hello, anyone here knows where I can find a code snippet that adds a simple POI to the minimap depending on world location? |
| 20:41.26 | Freddan962 | to the map* |
| 21:00.00 | znf | guess I'm not killing Ursoc HC tonight |
| 21:00.19 | zenzelezz | why not? |
| 21:00.38 | znf | soaking the roar is apparently too complicated for people |
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| 21:01.29 | znf | meh, 2 more weeks until I get my drivers' license back, and I can stop playing |
| 21:03.21 | znf | pugging simply doesn't work :D |
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| 21:08.08 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 21:08.16 | znf | http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/1371/westworld |
| 21:08.17 | Gnarfoz | CHAT_MSG_GUILD_ACHIEVEMENT supplies the GUID of the sender |
| 21:08.18 | znf | this looks delicious |
| 21:08.22 | Gnarfoz | does CHAT_MSG_ACHIEVEMENT, too? |
| 21:08.33 | znf | I mean, it's fucking Anthony Hopkins |
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| 21:17.55 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 21:18.12 | Gnarfoz | this addon has var1, var2, var3, var4 = select(1, ...) |
| 21:18.26 | Gnarfoz | doesn't var1, var2, var3, var4 = ... work? |
| 21:19.03 | nevcairiel | select(1, ) is pointless, yes |
| 21:19.29 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed writing weird code! |
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| 21:43.11 | mckenziemc | maybe it was the result of preprocessing! |
| 21:46.54 | ls- | the only reason why I don't like living in a tropical country is dengue fever T_T got one again... get it at least once a year T_T |
| 21:47.58 | ls- | worst part is that there's no treatment, so you have to endure and wait till it's gone :< |
| 21:56.36 | mckenziemc | gives ls- the common cold. |
| 21:57.01 | ls- | I'd rather have that one... |
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| 22:05.28 | modernist | this aoe withered soother is low-key the biggest griefing tool |
| 22:07.40 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 22:07.58 | zenzelezz | I'm disappointed by it that it has a cast |
| 22:08.36 | Simca | you can steal lots of shit with it |
| 22:08.39 | Simca | it's very funny |
| 22:08.43 | modernist | yeah |
| 22:09.05 | modernist | channeled guys cant seem to quite work it out either |
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| 22:30.28 | Grichecth | Hi, Does anyone have a list of Legion dungeon ID's? |
| 22:31.50 | Gnarfoz | is arg11 of some CHAT_MSG_events the line number in the chat window? |
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| 22:32.29 | Gnarfoz | Grichecth: like this? http://wow.gamepedia.com/MapID#Legion_Dungeons |
| 22:37.53 | Grichecth | Gnarfoz: I'm trying to use GetLFGDungeonInfo but requires the dungeon ID, for WoD they were 982, 983, 984, 985, 986 & I could specify boss with another int. But I can't locate the Legion dungeon ID's. |
| 22:37.53 | Ssateneth | I wonder whats causing the glitch where i cant click hyperlinks in chat when the chat is scrolled back |
| 22:37.59 | Grichecth | Mainly I want LFR I suppose |
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| 22:39.22 | Gnarfoz | http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetLFGDungeonInfo - Arguments dungeonID Number - This refers to a integer found in LFGDungeons.dbc. At the moment in build 16500 the ID range is 1-634 (integer). |
| 22:39.34 | Gnarfoz | so... I guess you want a DBC viewer |
| 22:39.53 | Gnarfoz | but there's also http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetRFDungeonInfo |
| 22:40.20 | Gnarfoz | Arguments: index; Number - index of a Raid Finder dungeon, from 1 to GetNumRFDungeons() |
| 22:40.29 | Gnarfoz | so... you probably want to use that instead. |
| 22:41.18 | Grichecth | Gnarfoz: Thanks!!! |
| 22:41.59 | Gnarfoz | thank whoever put the link to GetRFDungeonInfo at the bottom of the Wowpedia page for GetLFGDungeonInfo ;) |
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| 22:44.32 | Jarel | Greetings. |
| 22:45.15 | Jarel | I'm looking for someone that can help me with a small addon script, paying 15 USD, please PM me for details. |
| 22:50.45 | Sharparam | usually when people involve money upfront it turns out their original idea was completely impossible to implement, why not just post your requirements directly? |
| 22:54.31 | Industrial | What do you call the comedy where two standup comedians face of and joke about eachother |
| 22:54.35 | Industrial | besides bad |
| 22:55.12 | Industrial | ? |
| 22:55.35 | Sharparam | roasting? |
| 22:55.40 | Sharparam | not sure |
| 22:56.57 | Industrial | Hmm thats those jeff ross shows im talking more people being mean to eachother in small clubs :p |
| 23:00.56 | Industrial | oh, roast battle |
| 23:01.00 | Industrial | :D |
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| 23:56.37 | Snowkrim | Does anyone know if I can somehow list multiple specific units here in WeakAuras: http://imgur.com/H6B9hHl ? I've tried using : ; , as separators, no luck. A lot of work to create duplicate filters just to have it monitor extra units. And if I create a new filter for the whole group, it doesn't inherit any information from the first filter setup (the spell names) |
