| 00:01.27 | Semlar | simca probably knows what the columns are |
| 00:03.48 | Ketho | https://wowdev.wiki/DB/SoundEntries was documented but it disappeared in Legion I think :/ |
| 00:09.18 | [TOM_RUS] | there's no paths, just filedata id's |
| 00:11.39 | Ketho | well that is one way to make things harder |
| 00:13.17 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.37 | pompy | well eronus' .. |
| 00:13.45 | pompy | but she has the last post too |
| 00:13.57 | pompy | r |
| 00:14.49 | znf | oooh, drama? |
| 00:16.05 | foxlit | solve fileid problem later; find the link between spell ids and sound file ids first. |
| 00:17.32 | foxlit | fwiw Sound/Spells/Teleport.ogg is 569735. |
| 00:18.09 | znf | foxlit, find the harpies! |
| 00:18.27 | foxlit | have you checked.... right behind you? |
| 00:18.54 | Freddie | the harpies are calling from inside the house |
| 00:21.43 | Simca_ | Gnarfoz: won't say much on that subject, but i will say that it is annoying that, while she is free to make lots of wild accusations on twitter, nobody who she is accusing is allowed to respond because it's not professional. so the community gets exactly 1 side of the story: hers |
| 00:22.01 | Simca_ | + |
| 00:22.11 | Simca_ | minus the errant plus sign. |
| 00:25.28 | Simca_ | Ketho / foxlit: SoundKitEntry relates FileDataID to SoundKitID (first col is FileDataID, last col is SoundKitID) |
| 00:26.07 | Simca_ | only way to relate FileDataID to names is through hashing the name and comparing against root |
| 00:26.29 | foxlit | now you only need to link a spell id to a soundkit id. |
| 00:26.56 | Simca_ | spelleffect, when effect type is 'play sound' or 'play music', look at MiscValue1 |
| 00:27.28 | Simca_ | don't know the IDs for those effect types off the top of my head but I could... actually I think I have them in an open spreadsheet |
| 00:28.06 | Freddie | simca has a worrying number of spreadsheets |
| 00:29.58 | Simca_ | meh i closed it at some point without copying it into my newest spreadsheet |
| 00:31.09 | Torhal | Simca_: Fix WoWDB Profiler's .pkgmeta please; it has a stray indent that isn't including LibRealmInfo in -nolib packages (yet is strangely including them in the zip) |
| 00:34.15 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/S36wQ5WB << well, that's the 3 spelleffect lines for Blink |
| 00:35.16 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/hsEyYsU6 << and that's all the soundkitentries referencing 569735 |
| 00:35.49 | foxlit | there's seemingly no intersection. |
| 00:37.45 | Simca_ | oh, you don't want a spell that plays a sound, you want a sound that plays for a spell |
| 00:37.51 | Simca_ | that's something different entirely |
| 00:38.00 | Ketho | maybe I got the wrong sound file, but I was pretty sure Blink sounds way shorter when Sound\SPELLS\Teleport.ogg was replaced |
| 00:39.16 | Simca_ | those are part of SpellVisual |
| 00:39.42 | Simca_ | (which is a misnomer since it is actually more like SpellAudioVideo) |
| 00:40.03 | Ketho | wanted to replace Blink with Tracer's voice line if you're asking me why |
| 00:45.22 | Simca_ | i can look for it in a few minutes |
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| 00:55.48 | znf | oh yay |
| 00:55.55 | znf | made it to the end of the withered scenario |
| 00:56.31 | Stanzilla | This hotfix is now live. More sharks should be spawning, quest items should now be shared, and Ol'Eary should always drop the toy. |
| 00:56.32 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 00:56.57 | znf | isn't the event over? |
| 00:57.02 | Stanzilla | no |
| 00:57.10 | znf | ok :) |
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| 01:00.29 | Freddie | hm, event? |
| 01:00.43 | Freddie | oh it's arrrrrr day |
| 01:03.54 | znf | Stanzilla, what drops the fox mount? |
| 01:03.56 | znf | chest at the end? |
| 01:04.10 | Stanzilla | and emmisary chest |
| 01:04.19 | Stanzilla | it's quite nice that I found someone with an even worse memory than mine |
| 01:04.19 | znf | oh, and you have to find it in the scenario? |
| 01:04.23 | Stanzilla | we talked about that two days ago |
| 01:04.29 | znf | I was probably drunk |
| 01:04.38 | znf | I do that a lot |
| 01:04.41 | Stanzilla | I forgot where I got that fro |
| 01:04.42 | Stanzilla | m |
| 01:05.06 | znf | behind one of the mini-bosses, right? |
| 01:05.23 | Stanzilla | I think I got it from an emmisary chest |
| 01:06.23 | znf | ...where was the damn emissary chest >_< |
| 01:06.35 | Stanzilla | dude |
| 01:06.39 | Stanzilla | the world quest chests |
| 01:06.50 | znf | Oh, right. |
| 01:07.11 | znf | I keep thinking that you got it from the scenario |
| 01:07.18 | Simca_ | it is possible supposedly |
| 01:07.22 | Simca_ | you could check wowdb |
| 01:07.33 | znf | WTB mass levitate |
| 01:07.40 | znf | it's a pain to levitate so many withered |
| 01:08.43 | Stanzilla | why do you levitate them |
| 01:08.49 | nebula | why don't you? |
| 01:09.02 | Stanzilla | because it's useless unless proven otherwise |
| 01:09.05 | nebula | i thought it was standard priest practice to levitate all the things |
| 01:09.14 | znf | I'm done with the scenario |
| 01:09.17 | znf | I have 45 withered left |
| 01:09.19 | znf | I was bored :D |
| 01:09.27 | Stanzilla | see |
| 01:10.49 | znf | I'm going to put them to the ultimate test |
| 01:10.56 | znf | levitated things can't usually climb stairs! |
| 01:11.11 | Stanzilla | they start bugging out hardcore when I have over 50 |
| 01:12.11 | znf | https://gfycat.com/ReliableTeemingChihuahua |
| 01:12.44 | znf | interesting |
| 01:12.49 | znf | some things respawn |
| 01:14.28 | znf | ...oh, so last chest is just the pet |
| 01:14.28 | znf | :-/ |
| 01:14.29 | znf | meh |
| 01:14.36 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/DPGdTz2.jpg |
| 01:15.37 | znf | sad panda |
| 01:18.32 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_092016_035651.jpg |
| 01:19.12 | znf | so kullervo is rich in game |
| 01:20.15 | znf | oh, I stayed up until now thinking that the pvp quests will grant some +AP items |
| 01:20.18 | znf | nope, all of them gold :D |
| 01:21.52 | kullervo | znf: noo not you too... Don't think of the vendor price, look at what the npc says |
| 01:22.12 | znf | vendor price is 2mil! |
| 01:22.27 | kullervo | who cares |
| 01:23.01 | znf | I DO! |
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| 01:28.37 | znf | it's actually annoying to have to transmog your helmet and cloak every time you get a new one |
| 01:28.44 | znf | I prefered the old "hide this shit forever" option |
| 01:29.18 | Thunder_Child | I think 'have to' is a bit of a misnomer. |
| 01:29.34 | znf | I dislike cloaks. |
| 01:30.01 | znf | so I _have_ to ^^ |
| 01:31.07 | znf | /now/ this is how I like Dalaran |
| 01:31.16 | znf | crowded, everyone running around |
| 01:31.24 | znf | in day time I feel it's too "sharded" |
| 01:31.26 | znf | and feels empty |
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| 02:32.40 | Simca_ | Torhal: pkgmeta is fixed and i pushed a new release tag |
| 02:32.54 | Simca_ | that is moderately strange that it can't support tab characters though |
| 02:32.57 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 02:33.08 | Torhal | Cool. Apparently people have been telling the Curse App devs... |
| 02:33.09 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:33.28 | Simca_ | nice. |
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| 02:33.51 | Fisker | devs Torhal into an app |
| 02:37.13 | nebula | Simca_: it's not a matter of supporting, it's against the yaml spec |
| 02:37.57 | Simca_ | i have many things in notepad++ set to convert tabs to spaces |
| 02:38.00 | Simca_ | but not everything ever |
| 02:38.04 | Simca_ | because they are sometimes useful |
| 02:38.12 | Simca_ | .pkgmeta is not a document type i have that set on |
| 02:39.10 | znf | Hmmm. |
| 02:39.27 | znf | Is there a letsencrypt exploit in the wild? |
| 02:39.35 | znf | my servers keep getting hits for /usr/local/apache/htdocs/.well-known |
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| 03:10.56 | Primer | Probably the default non-vhost path? |
| 03:11.26 | Primer | Why not put something there and read the request? |
| 03:11.49 | Primer | maybe it's a new DDoS vector |
| 03:12.04 | Primer | using letsencrypt to send bogus requests to a target |
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| 03:23.46 | Primer | It amazing how no one uses youtube for streaming, despite the fact that they have a very nifty rewind feature |
| 03:24.04 | Primer | Thing is, last time I streamed using it, I got 15 emails about the 15 songs I was listening to at the time |
| 03:24.26 | ls- | :D |
| 03:25.08 | Primer | wow, and it forces you to login |
| 03:25.13 | Primer | I just tried watching someone's video |
| 03:25.24 | Primer | you get a teaser for 10 seconds, then a redirect to the login page |
| 03:25.26 | Primer | fuck that |
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| 03:38.46 | Stanzilla | fewyn: whats the hiddin one for rogue |
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| 04:40.43 | Semlar | so checking "usable" when doing an auction house search returns all of the results |
| 05:07.30 | karl_w_w | "slow cooked lamb" shouldn't be this hard to say |
| 05:08.34 | karl_w_w | slow cooked lamb, slow cook d'lam, sow cook dam... what is going on here? :P |
| 05:19.18 | karl_w_w | I also wish mz kezboard lazout would stop chaning itself |
| 05:19.28 | karl_w_w | mz_ ok |
| 05:19.43 | karl_w_w | and also _ instead of question mark |
| 05:21.00 | karl_w_w | I should write down what layout my keyboard is because I always forget and this always happens |
| 05:29.29 | karl_w_w | also enjoy how the "use desktop language bar" setting causes the language bar to show when it's unchecked and hide when it's checked |
| 05:29.56 | karl_w_w | windows is shit with input methods |
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| 06:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | aw fuck my graphics card died night before raids open |
| 06:08.55 | Mr_Rabies | great |
| 06:11.44 | Simca__ | Semlar: yes semlar that has been talked about a lot in here |
| 06:11.54 | Simca__ | we don't know why other than the AH results seem really broken |
| 06:18.24 | Torhal | I don't think Semlar is usable, Simca. |
| 06:30.56 | Semlar | a lot huh |
| 06:31.11 | Simca | literally at least 5 times that i have seen |
| 06:31.19 | Simca | so yes, a lot |
| 06:31.53 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: aoeusnth? |
| 06:33.35 | karl_w_w | come again? |
| 06:34.12 | Semlar | i have never seen anyone mention that every auction house result is returned in one page when you check the usable box |
| 06:34.36 | Semlar | considering how many times people have complained about how slow auction house addons are, that seems like something that would have been brought up |
| 06:37.46 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: leetspeak for asdf;lkj |
| 06:37.54 | Semlar | this makes buying things like ore practically instant |
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| 06:38.04 | karl_w_w | ok mckenziemc |
| 06:38.11 | mckenziemc | aoeuhtns if you prefer strictly left-to-right |
| 06:39.35 | mckenziemc | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=aoeuhtns |
| 06:39.51 | Simca | dunno what to tell you semlar, i've seen several people mention it at various points during the day, including the TSM author once |
| 06:40.23 | Simca | (by 'the day' i mean the daytime over the last several weeks, not today) |
| 06:40.32 | Semlar | then why aren't they using it |
| 06:40.40 | Simca | idk |
| 06:40.49 | Simca | probably because it is likely a bug |
| 06:40.52 | Simca | and will be fixed |
| 06:41.01 | Semlar | that is a horrible reason not to use something |
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| 06:41.19 | mckenziemc | says the guy who doesn't release most of his addons |
| 06:42.23 | Semlar | this requires changing one field in the api request |
| 06:42.49 | Semlar | obviously it only works for usable items, but it's a massive improvement over the current paging system |
| 06:43.03 | mckenziemc | and how many complaints when blizzard fixes/breaks it |
| 06:43.23 | nevcairiel | using something that is obviously a bug is usually not very wise |
| 06:43.45 | Semlar | the odds of them break/fixing it before they add the new AH sorting methods is pretty low |
| 06:44.09 | nevcairiel | if it gets used and puts more load onto the AH then expected, they might |
| 06:45.54 | Simca | i think one of the people was complaining that it would crash the client if there were too many items in the AH and you didn't set any search criteria/filters |
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| 07:25.57 | Semlar | i'm okay with that |
| 07:27.29 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8TdrFjtID8 |
| 07:27.31 | karl_w_w | wat |
| 07:48.37 | VIad | my mouth feels sore after the dentist. oral fisting is not part of my fetish list. :( |
| 07:54.26 | ls- | wow... |
| 07:59.29 | Shockah|Work | karl_w_w, didn't really check his video card models, but could be a feature in the NVIDIA driver only available for some cards? |
| 07:59.59 | Shockah|Work | which in turn puts some OpenGL/DirectX context on top? no idea |
| 08:00.09 | Shockah|Work | but definitely sounds possible |
| 08:01.19 | VIad | maybe it is a feature on those laptops :p |
| 08:01.28 | VIad | but weird feature to add for sure |
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| 08:04.19 | Shockah|Work | doubt the framerate thing would be THE feature |
| 08:04.32 | Shockah|Work | but some other feature could require an OpenGL/DirectX context |
| 08:12.48 | VIad | he should have tried something else than the stock OS |
| 08:13.03 | VIad | could be some weird gaming thing they stocked it up with |
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| 09:11.39 | karl_w_w | he formatted and reinstalled windows |
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| 09:22.52 | VIad | karl_w_w: but it looked like it was the stock msi/acer/asus whateveritwas version of windows |
| 09:23.05 | VIad | they usually come with preinstalled stuff on it, but I might have seen wrong |
| 09:38.08 | modernist | i really wish arcane had better numbers, it is so much more fun than fire |
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| 09:52.18 | Constie | Just play what you like and fake the numbers. #yolo |
| 09:55.47 | VIad | I play tank so for me I only care that blizz don't nerf my self healing |
| 09:56.18 | Constie | It is actually worth noting that what's the best spec in theory or even in practice for top players won't necessarily be the best spec for you personally. Like, I wouldn't play a spec I enjoy less if what I actually got out of it was a 5% DPS increase. |
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| 09:57.30 | modernist | yeah, ive been boosting my arcane artifact this week with the plan to just switch over |
| 09:57.35 | modernist | because i enjoy it way more |
| 09:57.57 | modernist | also, he whispers to you to bitch about people you walk past, which i enjoy |
| 09:58.57 | modernist | jesus christ, big gamy ribs were 2g for a stack of 100 last week |
| 09:58.59 | VIad | if blizz wants to nerf DH tanks because they do a lot of aoe dmg, I hope they nerf the dmg, but up the healing values on the artifact passive, or that they just buff others to do better aoe instead :p |
| 09:59.03 | modernist | now they're 1000+? |
| 10:03.46 | VIad | I think the prices are insane and will take time before they settle |
| 10:03.49 | nevcairiel | raiders went on a shopping spree |
| 10:04.05 | nevcairiel | herb and flask prices also went through the roof since the weekend |
| 10:05.43 | VIad | I hear some guilds just want to dive into heroics, and skip normal |
| 10:05.57 | VIad | I guess it works if everyone are prepared, like, not expected to get carried :p |
| 10:06.08 | nevcairiel | if your entire team is like 845+ thats probably not a big deal |
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| 10:07.16 | Simca | i mean |
| 10:07.20 | Simca | they're separate lockouts |
| 10:07.39 | Simca | so unless the players in question are super limited on time, it doesn't make a ton of sense to skip normal |
| 10:09.17 | VIad | gear is gear |
| 10:09.17 | nevcairiel | only drops 850, probably more useful to spend that time in m+ |
| 10:09.22 | VIad | titanforged normal is probably good too |
| 10:09.37 | Simca | m+ is locked to 850 for the first week, nev, so it isn't |
| 10:09.52 | nevcairiel | probably still more efficient to get gear |
| 10:09.54 | nevcairiel | ie. more |
| 10:10.04 | VIad | heroic is the new normal isnt it? |
| 10:10.08 | VIad | normal is like flex? |
| 10:10.09 | Simca | maybe? but geared raid teams shouldn't need lots of 850 |
| 10:10.16 | VIad | I am outdated on the terminology :p |
| 10:10.20 | Simca | they should already be in basically full 850 |
| 10:10.20 | nevcairiel | well then they also dont need to run normal =p |
| 10:10.29 | VIad | I am 851 atm |
| 10:10.32 | Simca | normal can warforged and titanforged past 850 |
| 10:10.38 | nevcairiel | so can m+ |
| 10:10.42 | Simca | no, it can't |
| 10:10.45 | nevcairiel | only the base level is capped |
| 10:10.47 | nevcairiel | yes it can |
| 10:10.57 | VIad | he didn't want to argue |
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| 10:11.29 | Simca | ctrl+w is a great key to hit when typing |
| 10:11.31 | nevcairiel | the only thing they cap in m+ is the base level, ie. it doesnt scale beyond m+4 the first week, while after that it sc ales to 865 |
| 10:11.38 | Simca | no, they capped the max ilvl |
| 10:11.40 | nevcairiel | but it can proc wf/tf |
| 10:11.46 | Simca | it can't roll over 850 first week |
| 10:12.01 | VIad | think Simca means the items cant proc wf/tf :p |
| 10:12.08 | nevcairiel | i know what Simca means |
| 10:12.11 | nevcairiel | and i disagree |
| 10:12.51 | nevcairiel | the info blizzard has publicly given clearly uses the term "base item level" |
| 10:13.25 | VIad | sounds like it can proc the upgrades then |
| 10:14.39 | Simca | even if i'm wrong and misinterpreting the dev tweet in question, the trinkets in the instance are quite nice, and better for most than the trinkets in heroic. It would still be time likely better spent getting gear with different stats/effects than gear with the same stats/effects you've had the chance to get for weeks. |
| 10:15.07 | Simca | err. replace 'in heroic' with 'in mythic+' |
| 10:15.25 | nevcairiel | nice trinkets in EN? have we been reading the same loot lists? :D |
| 10:15.34 | VIad | with PL guild raids is there a max drop limit? |
| 10:15.52 | VIad | like 20 raiders, boss dies on heroic mode, do 5 people get items? |
| 10:15.53 | Simca | no |
| 10:16.03 | VIad | can 0 people get items too? :p |
| 10:16.06 | Simca | yes |
| 10:16.11 | nevcairiel | Simca: https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/778020342052757504 |
| 10:16.18 | nevcairiel | i even found twitter clarfication! |
| 10:16.27 | Simca | gotcha |
| 10:16.46 | Simca | original tweet from the item guy was worded different |
| 10:19.18 | nevcairiel | in any case the progression guilds will be split-farming heroic either way, and whatever time is left over .. who knows, normal seems not that worthwhile after that |
| 10:22.18 | Simca | i think the EN trinkets were nerfed heavily at end of beta, so some are complete trash now, but others were spared and are still quite good |
| 10:22.40 | nevcairiel | the tank trinkets in it seem all like garbage |
| 10:22.48 | Simca | there is this one trinket that had a bleed that stacked up to 10 times and it now says 'up to 1 time' and it's literally one of the worst trinkets in the game at that ilvl |
| 10:22.56 | Simca | if not the worst |
| 10:23.23 | Simca | the balance switch went from 'stupidly overpowered' to 'useless beyond words' |
| 10:28.14 | VIad | are trinkets the new semi-legendary items that change gameplay? |
| 10:28.23 | VIad | thats how it felt in HFC some trinkets were just insane :p |
| 10:28.31 | VIad | feels like a trend hard to stop, trinket drops |
| 10:28.57 | Simca | no |
| 10:29.07 | Simca | legendaries are the new semi-legendary items that change gameplay |
| 10:29.24 | Simca | i think that is why they nerfed them so much at end of beta |
| 10:29.36 | Simca | they wanted legendaries to be special, even if it meant trinkets being mediocre |
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| 10:51.52 | VIad | I wonder if it is feasible for later, to like, aim for a specific legendary |
| 10:52.02 | VIad | I mean if chances are lower the more you get |
| 10:52.14 | VIad | worst case the BIS one is never going to be attainable |
| 10:52.34 | VIad | but it is odd, since in 23 days, I will have the 2-legendary equippable perk from CH |
| 10:55.35 | Simca | the legendary 'bad luck' mechanic doesn't get turned on until raids open tomorrow |
| 10:55.56 | Shockah|Work | huh |
| 10:56.10 | Shockah|Work | does that mean i should probably wait with opening today's emissary chest? |
| 10:56.39 | Simca | actually, probably, yeah |
| 10:56.58 | Simca | in theory, they could date the items to prevent that; in actuality they probably won't |
| 10:57.10 | Shockah|Work | i could potentially not finish the quest |
| 10:57.14 | Shockah|Work | just do the 4 wqs |
| 10:57.29 | Shockah|Work | but not turn them in |
| 10:58.47 | Shockah|Work | i guess i'll do just that |
| 10:59.35 | VIad | I'll probably do that and wait for patch tomorrow, good idea |
| 10:59.50 | VIad | but does the "bad luck" legendary thing make it like diablo? one legendary every month? |
| 11:01.52 | Shockah|Work | no idea, but still probably worth waiting out for the additional chance of getting a legendary before the raid |
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| 11:15.18 | VIad | I mean given I can research 2 legendary equipped perk under a month from now :p |
| 11:15.26 | VIad | that has to say something about the pace blizz had in mind |
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| 12:00.05 | znf | [14:58:53] Your auction of [Flask of the Whispered Pact] has sold for 1655g 0s 0c! |
| 12:00.06 | znf | jesus |
| 12:03.28 | VIad | kek |
| 12:03.39 | VIad | flasks are overrated when you have ilvl that the raid drops :p |
| 12:03.51 | znf | it took less than 2 minutes: |
| 12:03.52 | znf | [14:57:09] Auction created for [Flask of the Whispered Pact] 1655g 00s 00c |
| 12:03.56 | VIad | tbh flasks are usually overrated in general |
| 12:04.02 | VIad | minmaxing things |
| 12:04.19 | znf | not really, it's 1.3k intellect |
| 12:04.31 | znf | my head piece (850) doesn't grant 1300 intellect |
| 12:04.44 | nevcairiel | yeah tha flasks are really strong, at least this time around |
| 12:04.49 | nevcairiel | 1300 main stat is nothing to ignore |
| 12:04.57 | VIad | but |
| 12:05.04 | VIad | price ,_, |
| 12:05.05 | znf | wonder how good the dps potions are after the buff, tough |
| 12:05.10 | znf | it's really weird to have them do extra damage |
| 12:05.16 | nevcairiel | deadly grace is pretty powerful |
| 12:05.17 | znf | instead of working with your own abilities |
| 12:05.20 | VIad | my old main is alchemy, gotta skill it up I guess :p |
| 12:05.21 | nevcairiel | the melee potion is still rather subpar, apparently |
| 12:05.25 | VIad | he is even flask mastery |
| 12:05.30 | znf | VIad, that's not the issue |
| 12:05.31 | znf | raw mats are |
| 12:05.33 | nevcairiel | mastery is irrelevant |
| 12:05.36 | znf | especially the rose |
| 12:05.36 | VIad | ,_, |
| 12:05.43 | VIad | so herbalism? |
| 12:05.45 | znf | yeah |
| 12:05.47 | VIad | neat |
| 12:05.55 | VIad | ah its like the mining WQ thing |
| 12:05.59 | Xuerian | Time to farm it up and live the high life |
| 12:05.59 | nevcairiel | but yeah, get a herbalist, most alchemists will probably be happy to create stuff just for the chance to proc a rank 3 from it =p |
| 12:06.07 | znf | it takes shitloads of roses to make each potion/flask |
| 12:06.11 | VIad | weird |
| 12:06.11 | znf | and you can only gather _1_ rose per node |
| 12:06.14 | Kalroth | 123456789 |
| 12:06.20 | Kalroth | hi |
| 12:06.24 | znf | and unless you're rank 3, the rose sometimes turns to dust |
| 12:06.29 | VIad | but mining rare mat is a WQ you kill an infernal and mine him |
| 12:06.31 | Xuerian | Kalroth: password? |
| 12:06.37 | Kalroth | kinda |
| 12:06.46 | nevcairiel | VIad: herbs has that as well, its called felwort, but its really kinda useless |
| 12:06.56 | nevcairiel | the real important flower is starlight rose from suramar |
| 12:06.57 | Kalroth | its for a test virtual machine, i love it when there's two blinking cursors on my screen |
| 12:07.02 | znf | couple that with the fact that bots can't fly... well... |
| 12:07.17 | nevcairiel | they are like 300g a piece on my realm on the AH |
| 12:07.21 | nevcairiel | you need 7 for a flask |
| 12:07.24 | nevcairiel | and one for a dps potion |
| 12:07.36 | znf | let's check on mine |
| 12:07.38 | Xuerian | And do die my dreams of getting rich, as altitis struck hard. |
| 12:07.53 | Xuerian | s/do/so/ |
| 12:08.20 | znf | god damn it, auction house |
| 12:08.20 | znf | so slow |
| 12:08.38 | nevcairiel | the thing about startlight roses is not that their spawns are rare or anything, they are actually quite plentiful, suramar is littered with htem |
| 12:08.43 | znf | 140g on mine |
| 12:08.43 | nevcairiel | but every gather only yield exactly one |
| 12:09.09 | znf | someone calculated the amount of roses you need for 1 raid night :D |
| 12:09.13 | Xuerian | still not too shabby |
| 12:09.13 | VIad | shared nodes like mining, nevcairiel? |
| 12:09.17 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 12:09.24 | VIad | so 40 multibox :) |
| 12:09.27 | VIad | profitable |
| 12:09.28 | znf | >That's almost 3000 roses for one raiding night, EXCLUDING all the secondary ingredients. |
| 12:09.51 | znf | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/53gqwg/the_current_state_of_alchemy_and_raid_supplies/ |
| 12:09.58 | nevcairiel | guess it depends how much you guess on dps potions |
| 12:10.11 | nevcairiel | you need 3 flasks per person, so 60 in a mythic raid, thats 420 roses |
| 12:10.32 | nevcairiel | oh right i was assuming our own raid times =p |
| 12:10.37 | nevcairiel | guess he used 4 hours instead of 3 |
| 12:10.43 | Xuerian | So, basically, budget raiders are now pillaging WoD flasks |
| 12:11.01 | znf | most guilds I've seen are 4 hours, quite a few with 3 tough |
| 12:12.04 | znf | Flasks are powerful, tough. I don't think the potions matter /that/ much, dps-wise |
| 12:12.08 | VIad | doing mechanics > 1000 stat |
| 12:12.15 | znf | Unless your raid is missing that 2% to get the kill |
| 12:12.31 | VIad | ^ undergeared/doing mechanics wrong/not playing properly |
| 12:12.32 | nevcairiel | the potions are really strong |
| 12:12.44 | VIad | ^ + bad composition for fight :p |
| 12:12.45 | nevcairiel | but at least the first weeks you'll be learning the fight more, so potions might not be mandatory yet |
| 12:13.13 | nevcairiel | i dont think we'll be requiring potions the first night at least |
| 12:13.14 | Freddie | hm, I should check my old guild and see what insanity they're requiring consumables wise |
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| 12:13.20 | nevcairiel | but people are already whining about flask prices =p |
| 12:13.23 | Freddie | going full nutter and doing split runs and stuff this expansion :| |
| 12:13.24 | znf | I wanted to buy Felslate to finish my engineering quest |
| 12:13.28 | znf | 100 x 1 stacks |
| 12:13.29 | znf | nope |
| 12:13.38 | znf | _FUCK_ people who do that, fuck them with a broom |
| 12:14.03 | VIad | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 12:14.16 | VIad | get auctioner you scrub |
| 12:14.22 | nevcairiel | VIad likes that, znf |
| 12:14.30 | znf | Auctioneer? Is that still a thing? |
| 12:14.36 | znf | Also, good luck with that on my realm. |
| 12:14.37 | VIad | auctionator, whatever :d |
| 12:14.41 | znf | I have auctionator |
| 12:14.50 | znf | Are you going to click BUY 100 times and wait 5 seconds between each click? |
| 12:15.02 | VIad | no, I'd go get the broom |
| 12:15.08 | znf | allow me to demonstrate |
| 12:15.19 | znf | ...how do you capture video with this nvidia shit |
| 12:15.29 | Shockah|Work | Alt+F<whatever> |
| 12:15.31 | Shockah|Work | can't remember |
| 12:15.36 | Shockah|Work | or was it Ctrl |
| 12:15.42 | znf | I feel like the whatever part is the most important |
| 12:15.43 | Shockah|Work | i rebound it so can't remember |
| 12:15.48 | Xuerian | pretty sure |
| 12:15.48 | Shockah|Work | well definitely not 4 |
| 12:15.50 | Xuerian | it's ctrlaltf4 |
| 12:16.15 | znf | ...every time I start that http://i.imgur.com/GI2LAGX.png |
| 12:16.28 | Xuerian | but znf |
| 12:16.33 | Xuerian | blizzard streaming builtin |
| 12:16.35 | Xuerian | npnpnpnpp |
| 12:16.42 | VIad | I bought dxtory |
| 12:16.44 | znf | got any more pixels? |
| 12:16.47 | VIad | no regrets |
| 12:16.47 | znf | dxtory? why? |
| 12:16.54 | znf | ever heard about OBS? |
| 12:16.56 | VIad | it's really good software for capturing |
| 12:16.56 | Xuerian | obs pretty great |
| 12:17.16 | Shockah|Work | znf, or just get a GIF app |
| 12:17.18 | VIad | obs is pretty great, but for example I used the fps limiter in dxtory to play fallout fps unlocked at 90 fps without physics burning |
| 12:17.25 | znf | _mark_ |
| 12:17.28 | VIad | same with skyrim, if fps is too high the physics starts dying |
| 12:17.34 | Shockah|Work | GifCam / LICEcap |
| 12:17.37 | znf | (I started to buy felslate) |
| 12:17.39 | Xuerian | sure, but you've got nvtweakerowahwetver and afterburner |
| 12:17.46 | VIad | and I have my complicated dxtory setup of virtual screens and scenes ready to use with obs |
| 12:17.55 | Xuerian | well there's a reason |
| 12:18.12 | Xuerian | also sharex can capture and upload gifs for you yeah, I think it's reasonably easy to set up with ffmpeg |
| 12:18.36 | Xuerian | might even have built in options for screen recorder or something |
| 12:19.22 | VIad | atm I just hit record on obs and it dumps a mp4 (in flv container) that I just drag to gfycat |
| 12:19.24 | znf | Shockah|Work, I can't make 1 hour of .gif |
| 12:19.34 | VIad | I just try to make it ~15 sec since that is cirka the cap |
| 12:19.36 | nevcairiel | speaking of combat potions, did they increase the cost some time ago? i faintly remember them being 1 rose at one point, now its 2 |
| 12:19.52 | Shockah|Work | znf, i actually laughed |
| 12:19.54 | znf | VIad, Auctionator is still searching for Felslate |
| 12:20.02 | znf | Pages 42/45 |
| 12:20.25 | VIad | xd |
| 12:20.31 | VIad | post a ticket on github |
| 12:20.48 | VIad | then get the other broom, because author don't give AF |
| 12:21.50 | znf | I managed to buy ~20 ores! |
| 12:21.52 | znf | :o |
| 12:24.05 | znf | ah, shit |
| 12:24.08 | znf | tought I had some in my bags |
| 12:24.09 | znf | fuck |
| 12:25.02 | znf | who wants to see 578MB of me trying to buy ore? |
| 12:29.32 | VIad | I can't wait for the new AH api |
| 12:29.46 | znf | yeah, I can't wait for 8.0 either |
| 12:29.46 | VIad | to scan sort price per item sort |
| 12:29.49 | VIad | :d |
| 12:30.04 | znf | that's in 7.1 |
| 12:30.07 | znf | and it's not any new api |
| 12:30.18 | VIad | would at least allow auctionator to scan less |
| 12:30.31 | VIad | no more 50 pages scanning |
| 12:30.56 | nevcairiel | if you can sort by unit price instead of stack price, you can buy much more easily with just the default UI |
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| 12:31.26 | VIad | anything AH will be slightly better with that change |
| 12:31.34 | VIad | just makes addons even quicker |
| 12:31.42 | znf | yup |
| 12:31.53 | VIad | could actually make my own addon :o |
| 12:31.54 | znf | auctionator won't have to wait 9182302913 hours |
| 12:32.04 | znf | FUCK engineering |
| 12:32.06 | znf | god damn it |
| 12:32.18 | VIad | like you know you need X item, telling the addon I need X and I need 20 of it |
| 12:32.29 | Torhal | VIad: Auctionator does some silly shit, TBH. "I wonder how much this goes for?" 50 pages of scanning. Two items later, if you actually decide to sell that item, it's 50 pages of scanning instead of "Hey, 30 seconds ago we scanned this. Let's not do that again." |
| 12:32.31 | VIad | then it can do a quick scan and try get a good price based on first pages |
| 12:32.41 | VIad | yeah Torhal |
| 12:32.55 | VIad | but with new api you can get the cheapest price per item first page :d |
| 12:33.04 | VIad | so scanning can potentially be minimal next patch |
| 12:33.10 | VIad | if the addons just use the new api ofc |
| 12:33.13 | nevcairiel | selling doesnt do scanning for me |
| 12:33.26 | znf | Torhal, doesn't it have to page back to the page it last saw that specific auction for that specific price? |
| 12:33.29 | nevcairiel | but if you buy, it has to find the page of that item again, so slowness is unavoidable with the current sorting |
| 12:33.36 | znf | ^ |
| 12:34.17 | Torhal | znf: I don't know what it does. All I know is being frustrated by having to sit through a scan I just sat through less than a minute prior. |
| 12:34.28 | nevcairiel | thats where the new sorting will help the most, because with per-unit sorting you'll likely always want to buy from the first pages |
| 12:34.54 | VIad | and selling, you usually probably try to undercut somewhere in the lower end |
| 12:35.12 | VIad | and not the auctions that are overpriced like heck |
| 12:35.21 | znf | Reaves is a fucking joke |
| 12:35.30 | Torhal | 16729g for Tanaan Bread |
| 12:35.36 | Torhal | 121 stacks of 1 |
| 12:35.53 | VIad | you got engineering, znf? |
| 12:36.07 | znf | yeah |
| 12:36.12 | VIad | reason I got engineering is because of old recipes |
| 12:36.17 | VIad | the new once are ballsack juice and brooms |
| 12:36.36 | VIad | overly expensive consumables and you already got jeeves and older stuff that do the job |
| 12:36.58 | tz | is it just me or do rocket boots fail way more often @110 |
| 12:37.04 | VIad | probably :/ |
| 12:37.07 | znf | nah |
| 12:37.09 | VIad | I've had my fair share of fails |
| 12:37.11 | znf | was the same at 100 |
| 12:37.21 | tz | it definitely feels way more frequent |
| 12:39.56 | znf | Oh, brewfest |
| 12:45.20 | znf | spellpower what? http://i.imgur.com/v00yEEO.png |
| 12:45.49 | znf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1XTHJhFLTc&feature=youtu.be there |
| 12:45.51 | znf | auctionator |
| 12:45.55 | znf | (mute the music, sorry) |
| 12:46.38 | znf | Oh, if you alt-tab out of the game, the recording stops |
| 12:46.41 | znf | that's stupid |
| 12:52.56 | VIad | spellpower is probably in the old combat math |
| 12:53.06 | VIad | probably doesnt work above level 100 |
| 12:53.18 | VIad | but I see its todays brewfest, so what gives blizz? |
| 12:53.35 | VIad | ilvl is scaled to like normal dungeons but the reqlevel is 100 |
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| 13:07.33 | Shockah|Work | znf, that's actually a feature |
| 13:07.40 | Shockah|Work | you can make it record the desktop too |
| 13:07.49 | znf | ew |
| 13:10.35 | znf | Suramar is 110, right? |
| 13:10.41 | znf | I can't waltz around on my 101 druid |
| 13:10.49 | nevcairiel | you can try, but it'll probably get you eaten |
| 13:11.30 | znf | [16:09:24] Xal'atath whispers: You've gathered quite the group of followers. It is fortunate they are focused on this incursion and not the true war. The scope of it might destroy your minds. |
| 13:11.34 | znf | ...this spoiling weapon |
| 13:11.40 | VIad | windows 10 has the xbox thing that also has a winkey+g for recording shortcut |
| 13:11.45 | Semlar | is anyone playing on a non-english client |
| 13:11.45 | VIad | for the technically unsavy people |
| 13:11.55 | VIad | I got germany available on my pc, Semlar |
| 13:11.58 | VIad | german* |
| 13:12.20 | Semlar | i want to know if the order of nomi's dialog options are the same in other localizations |
| 13:12.29 | VIad | interesting |
| 13:13.08 | Semlar | if they're always the same i should be able to just check what ingredients you have and match them up |
| 13:15.51 | znf | HA |
| 13:15.53 | znf | Basically |
| 13:15.57 | znf | If you farm 1 hour of Roses in Suramar |
| 13:16.01 | znf | you get to buy 1 x WoW Token |
| 13:16.32 | Semlar | how many is that |
| 13:17.09 | karl_w_w | 1 |
| 13:17.31 | Shockah|Work | Semlar, can you check the reagent bank easily? |
| 13:17.38 | Shockah|Work | since it works from the reagent bank too |
| 13:17.40 | Semlar | yes |
| 13:18.18 | Shockah|Work | i never looked into container / bank APIs |
| 13:18.52 | znf | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rBuU5nOF/20160920_161808_HDR.jpg |
| 13:18.58 | znf | I told spider bro to feel like at home |
| 13:19.04 | znf | but now I feel like he's taking advantage |
| 13:19.25 | Semlar | orb weaver |
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| 13:23.00 | VIad | I was sad that the first aid quests, the first aid UI shows me having the materials when I have them in my bank |
| 13:23.13 | VIad | but I can't talk to the npc to do the quest if the mats are in the bank >_> |
| 13:23.19 | VIad | UI is lying to me! |
| 13:23.20 | modernis_ | the obliterum one was the same |
| 13:23.40 | VIad | tbh bank should still work for those quest types |
| 13:23.45 | VIad | its not like a big game breaker anyway |
| 13:24.02 | modernis_ | i used to appreciate that kind of thing in GW2 |
| 13:24.12 | modernis_ | using crafting mats from the bank etc |
| 13:33.36 | VIad | we still have that, but the quests in the world dont want to acknowledge bank stuff :p |
| 13:33.46 | VIad | crafting works nice |
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| 13:45.30 | A-KO | So really odd question. I have this loop in my addon that sells grey items en masse. It's typically worked fine, but on rare occasions it seems to not sell everything. I'm guessing some sort of rate limiter on the function call to do that? Anyone ever seen this and can offer advice? |
| 13:46.08 | A-KO | Someone mentioned a bug where my addon sold his epics. And looking at the code I'm pretty sure that's not possible, BUT if there may ahd been an issue getting item info during the loop I could potentially see how that MIGHT happen. |
| 13:47.48 | Shockah|Work | i just know Adibags has this issue too |
| 13:47.56 | Shockah|Work | inb4 you actually meant Adibags |
| 13:47.59 | A-KO | nope |
| 13:48.03 | A-KO | something I wrote myself :P |
| 13:48.17 | Shockah|Work | but yeah there's some red error text on top of the screen when it happens |
| 13:48.20 | Shockah|Work | but i can't remember which one now |
| 13:48.35 | mckenziemc | internal bag error? |
| 13:49.15 | A-KO | I figured I'd maybe add a sleep timer or something to slow the loop down |
| 13:49.28 | A-KO | like maybe there's something off with the UI processing it doesn't like |
| 13:50.44 | A-KO | yeah the guy mentioning his epics being sold. What I'm guessing is that if there's a hangup or something and GetItemInfo() doesn't actually get item info, and it sets values to "0" by default or something, it might sell that (since grey quality items are 0) |
| 13:50.58 | A-KO | rather than default setting that value to null if it can't get the info |
| 13:51.20 | A-KO | I mean that sounds like a logical conclusion to me? |
| 13:51.27 | Shockah|Work | ah well, Adibags didn't sell any epics yet |
| 13:51.36 | Shockah|Work | it's just that it fails to sell grays |
| 13:51.41 | Shockah|Work | some of them |
| 13:51.42 | Shockah|Work | sometimes |
| 13:51.43 | A-KO | yeah |
| 13:51.46 | A-KO | same issue to me |
| 13:51.48 | A-KO | So okay |
| 13:51.50 | Shockah|Work | usually when you have a lot of these |
| 13:51.53 | A-KO | Must be a UI thing |
| 13:52.11 | A-KO | Is anyone from Blizzard active on the UI forums? |
| 13:52.56 | foxlit | Maybe if you purchase the $599/year individual developer support option :P |
| 13:54.19 | Semlar | apparently if you call GetItemInfo too early it doesn't bother firing GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED |
| 13:54.35 | A-KO | LOL fixlit |
| 13:54.37 | A-KO | foxlit |
| 13:55.12 | A-KO | what constitutes "too early"? O.o |
| 13:55.23 | Shockah|Work | Semlar, do you even check the other stuff returned by GetitemInfo? |
| 13:55.38 | Semlar | i have GetItemInfo executing when my script is run |
| 13:55.38 | Shockah|Work | it might be worth checking the item name if it's nil first |
| 13:55.43 | Shockah|Work | uh |
| 13:55.44 | Semlar | it neither gets information nor fires the event |
| 13:55.46 | Shockah|Work | i mean A-KO |
| 13:55.50 | Shockah|Work | sorry can't think |
| 13:56.06 | A-KO | Shockah|Work: I don't, but it may be worth doing. |
| 13:56.07 | Semlar | it works after a reload, not on login |
| 13:56.23 | A-KO | Shockah|Work: Probably a good idea |
| 13:56.27 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 13:56.34 | foxlit | It just return nothing on cache miss |
| 13:56.39 | Semlar | if i delay it until PLAYER_LOGIN it appears to work |
| 13:57.32 | Semlar | but calling it when my script is loaded either doesn't bother contacting the server or doesn't fire GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED for some other reason |
| 13:58.15 | foxlit | not some weird combination of fake default values. |
| 14:05.07 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.27 | Semlar | or at least it doesn't for me |
| 14:06.46 | Semlar | LocalizedIngredientList will be empty |
| 14:07.34 | Semlar | works fine if i delay the calls to GetItemInfo until PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 14:21.56 | Shockah|Work | not sure if you guys know / care, but Humble Bundle Game Maker bundle ends in 3.5 hours https://www.humblebundle.com/gamemaker-bundle |
| 14:22.08 | Shockah|Work | $1500 worth of software for $15 |
| 14:32.22 | Simca | What they really really need |
| 14:32.29 | Simca | is "HaveItemData(ItemID)" |
| 14:32.38 | Simca | "GetItemData(ItemID)" |
| 14:33.13 | Simca | no more guesswork and checking via spamming an API request that has more complicated stuff built in |
| 14:33.30 | Semlar | i think we can just assume HaveItemData will always be false |
| 14:33.44 | Simca | lol |
| 14:34.13 | Semlar | in the meantime, we can implement this workaround: function HaveItemData() return false end |
| 14:34.19 | Shockah|Work | would like an API that takes a function callback |
| 14:34.25 | Simca | i would also like manual cache loading like "PutItemDataIntoCache" |
| 14:34.35 | Simca | so that it doesn't query the server for no reason |
| 14:34.40 | Simca | and waste everyone's time |
| 14:34.57 | Simca | when it already had a proper version of the data locally, it just felt like checking for hotfixes |
| 14:45.10 | foxlit | _G.PutItemDataIntoCache = GetItemInfo |
| 14:45.13 | foxlit | fixed. |
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| 14:56.25 | bluspacecow | Don't think this is possible with an addon : https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/53mfso/make_ancient_mana_nodes_appear_in_a_different/ |
| 14:58.04 | Sharparam | minimap blips are not possible to modify at all i think? it was a somewhat recent change iirc |
| 14:58.18 | Sharparam | maybe a few expansions ago |
| 14:58.25 | bluspacecow | yeah thats what I thought |
| 14:58.31 | Shockah|Work | i don't remember them ever being modifiable |
| 14:58.41 | Shockah|Work | but i only played WotLK and then straight WoD |
| 14:58.45 | Sharparam | or maybe it was reading their position/data that was changed |
| 14:58.49 | Shockah|Work | and didn't bother with addons that much in WotLK |
| 14:59.13 | bluspacecow | I think you can skin them i think. but that would skin all blips on the minimap. it won't separate them out into different types |
| 14:59.13 | Sharparam | i remember there was talk some time ago about something with the minimap blips being made inaccessible |
| 15:00.07 | bluspacecow | they never were IIRC |
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| 15:12.29 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/ii03dmN.jpg |
| 15:12.32 | fewyn | that was fun |
| 15:12.53 | fewyn | got gold |
| 15:12.55 | fewyn | :( |
| 15:20.27 | Seeker` | that's an...interesting ui |
| 15:20.49 | Seeker` | you didn't get any hidden artifact appearances drop from him then? |
| 15:20.54 | fewyn | nope |
| 15:21.05 | Seeker` | :( Guess we're waiting a while longer then |
| 15:21.05 | fewyn | i got my sub hidden last night |
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| 15:21.19 | fewyn | supposedly i need AK 4 for my assassination one |
| 15:21.26 | fewyn | i want to know outlaw tho |
| 15:22.13 | Seeker` | I think all outlaws do :P |
| 15:22.45 | mikma | i have this table that http://lua-users.org/wiki/SaveTableToFile creates: http://kinky.fi/mikma/misc/temptable.lua - is this really correct? |
| 15:23.06 | mikma | the start of the table seems odd |
| 15:48.01 | Sharparam | it's returning a table containing many tables |
| 15:48.11 | bluspacecow | table-ception |
| 15:48.17 | Sharparam | and in each of those tables even more tables |
| 15:48.18 | Sharparam | :o |
| 15:48.30 | Sharparam | why are the numbers in the first table inside tables? |
| 15:48.41 | znf | because tables |
| 15:48.45 | znf | how do they pack tables inside tables? |
| 15:48.48 | znf | what is this sorvery? |
| 15:49.05 | Sharparam | packs znf into a table and puts them in SavedVars |
| 15:53.53 | nevcairiel | Seeker`: drop hidden artifacts are all "chances" anyway, so even if nithogg were to drop yours, whichever spec you are hoping for, there is no guarantee you would actually get it the first time :D |
| 15:54.15 | Sharparam | "Can't do that while in combat" |
| 15:54.19 | Sharparam | what, but i'm not in combat? |
| 15:54.21 | Sharparam | *looks around* |
| 15:54.23 | Sharparam | "Where is broll?" |
| 15:54.48 | nevcairiel | thats why permanent bodyguards are so annoying |
| 15:54.48 | bluspacecow | broll is off fighitng |
| 15:54.51 | bluspacecow | the vcr |
| 15:55.20 | Seeker` | nevcairiel: I meant "I guess we're waiting a while longer then to find out where it comes from" |
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| 15:57.21 | Sharparam | so if i still remember macro stuff, this: /cast [combat] !Cat Form; Prowl should cast cat form if in combat (but not cancel it if active), and otherwise prowl, right? |
| 15:59.27 | znf | I had those macro'd |
| 15:59.31 | znf | but I think they don't work anymore? |
| 15:59.37 | Sharparam | hm |
| 15:59.44 | Sharparam | looks like it can still cancel if you use it in combat |
| 15:59.45 | znf | don't take my word, try it out for yourself |
| 16:00.02 | Sharparam | i did |
| 16:00.21 | Sharparam | maybe the ! was just to toggle things |
| 16:00.26 | Sharparam | i forgot what it does really |
| 16:01.46 | foxlit | glorious, killed all three dps on amalgam of souls and still killed the boss |
| 16:02.20 | Sharparam | hm |
| 16:02.21 | Sharparam | "The exclamation mark will make the spell reapply the form/aura/stance/whatever rather than cancel it if it's already active. " |
| 16:02.27 | Sharparam | it doesn't seem to follow this though |
| 16:03.14 | Sharparam | or it does sometimes |
| 16:03.21 | Sharparam | it works properly for prowl (stealth), but not shapeshifts |
| 16:03.34 | Sharparam | is that intended? |
| 16:03.39 | Sharparam | seems buggy |
| 16:04.47 | foxlit | you can't reapply shapeshifts, period' |
| 16:05.52 | Sharparam | reapply seems like a weird term anyway |
| 16:06.08 | Sharparam | i think i had a shapeshift macro years ago that did work though, with the "!" syntax |
| 16:06.28 | foxlit | the shapeshift cooldown is new in Legion. |
| 16:07.27 | Sharparam | right, it was possible to shift back into form instantly before right? |
| 16:08.02 | Sharparam | so shifting *into* cat triggered gcd, but not shifting out? |
| 16:08.09 | Sharparam | and now they both do |
| 16:15.13 | nevcairiel | You can still cross-shift into another form, say bear, only the dorm you came out of is on gcd |
| 16:15.26 | Sharparam | yeah |
| 16:15.39 | mikma | sharparam: yeah. table-ception. |
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| 16:33.06 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/V1 |
| 16:33.17 | Sharparam | broll has not been very promising so far |
| 16:48.00 | foxlit | honestly, that entire scenario is just... meh. |
| 16:48.15 | foxlit | "war of the ancients won: 1/1" by killing a few imps. |
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| 16:53.01 | Andols | I was so dissapointed by that quest |
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| 17:12.07 | Gnarfoz | pompy: clearly, it's all slander |
| 17:12.50 | Adrenalined | Anyone able to help me out with a few lua questions regarding altering an already existing mod ? |
| 17:13.25 | modernis_ | how many is a few |
| 17:14.09 | Adrenalined | Hmmm, not really sure to be honest. I guess, if I at least had a good direction to be pointed in I could hit Google again, so maybe...2? 3? |
| 17:14.53 | Andols | ~asktoask |
| 17:14.53 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 17:14.59 | Andols | :) |
| 17:15.58 | Adrenalined | Looking to get class color casting bar in Quartz. Since I use kgpanels, I figured i could do a panel with an onload script, to just check class and change bar color. I can't figure out what to hook in to to change it though. |
| 17:16.15 | Adrenalined | I did a /fstack and got the frame name, but can't find that frame name in any of the files in the addon |
| 17:16.29 | Adrenalined | @Andols I know better too =( sorry |
| 17:18.14 | modernist | whats the frame name that fstack returns? |
| 17:18.44 | Adrenalined | Quartz3CastBarPlayer |
| 17:20.19 | Adrenalined | Since I couldn't find anything with that name I just started doing a search for color, thinking maybe I could find something related. I'm not really knowledgeable but it seems like the color is being packaged up in the config.lua and then being called on later when the bar is created. |
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| 17:23.40 | Adrenalined | I don't know exactly what it means but on /fstack it's <1>Quartz3CastBarPlayer as well as <2>Quartz3CastBarPlayer.Bar |
| 17:23.51 | Semlar | bluspacecow: you could probably toggle your other tracking on and off to make it blink |
| 17:24.20 | Semlar | i'm not really sure what the point of differentiating mana nodes is since they're the only thing that spawn in suramar as far as i know |
| 17:24.28 | Semlar | suramar city |
| 17:25.22 | Constie | Outside the city the ley line point things also have the same blip, which is a little annoying. |
| 17:25.29 | Semlar | i guess if you left your mana tracking on it could be confusing if you were out looking for ore |
| 17:25.38 | Semlar | you can turn it off |
| 17:25.59 | Constie | That's the little annoying part! |
| 17:26.18 | mfgmfg | Semlar, guildie reports nomicakes is breaking his other tradeskill windows |
| 17:26.34 | Semlar | oh? |
| 17:26.52 | Semlar | i haven't managed to get that to happen |
| 17:27.07 | modernist | Adrenalined: purely off the top of my head but |
| 17:27.08 | modernist | https://gist.github.com/obble/37ad21c717dc575681d701d5661b5342 |
| 17:27.13 | Semlar | sounds like the event probably isn't firing though |
| 17:27.36 | modernist | you dont actually need to source the class colours from the bar, you can just get them globally with RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
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| 17:28.04 | modernist | actually wait i forgot to update my edit |
| 17:29.27 | modernist | there |
| 17:29.45 | bluspacecow | gahhhh |
| 17:29.57 | bluspacecow | why must they have ads at a higher volume then the tv orogram >??? |
| 17:30.08 | Adrenalined | modernist: Thank you very much, I could be reading the code wrong, but is that changing the quartz bar color or the kgpanel? |
| 17:30.34 | Adrenalined | modernist: nevermind, I'm slow |
| 17:30.41 | Adrenalined | I think I clicked the link too early |
| 17:30.55 | modernist | the kgpanel, hopefully. you'll have to change the name kgPanel to whatever that frame is called |
| 17:30.57 | Sharparam | <bluspacecow> [...] orogram |
| 17:31.03 | Sharparam | i read that completely different at first |
| 17:31.07 | Semlar | mfgmfg: they're playing on an english client, right? |
| 17:32.17 | Adrenalined | modernist: Ok great, thank you so much. Going to try this out as soon as I get home from work. Assuming I just drop in the name that /fstack returns and then troubleshoot from there. |
| 17:36.48 | Adrenalined | You think there is a better way to handle an onload script rather then using kgpanels? I only did that because it was the only way I knew how to hack it together since I've seen it have onload stuff before. Not sure if there is a better approach to it though. |
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| 17:48.38 | modernist | adrenalined: well you could just create a static frame in the same code i have there & parent it to quartz |
| 17:48.56 | modernist | and then load the thing as your own addon |
| 17:49.27 | modernist | http://addon.bool.no |
| 17:49.44 | Adrenalined | modernist: Ok, I put it in the OnLoad section and reloaded. It threw an error. So I adjusted the code to drop the kgpanel and make it the Quartz3CastBarPlayer that I found threw fstack, so it looks like this pastebin.com/f6JY5aEN I'm getting this error now http://imgur.com/a/TOtsa |
| 17:50.24 | modernist | oh right, i guess kgpanels makes frames rather than textures |
| 17:50.43 | kullervo | that cropping though |
| 17:51.44 | Adrenalined | kullervo: sorry, I tried to pull it quickly through teamviewer to my home computer |
| 17:52.03 | VIad | is the queue for coren direbrew bugged? |
| 17:52.24 | VIad | spawned at the BRD entrance and people spawned in weird areas too |
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| 17:55.31 | modernist | Adrenalined: https://gist.github.com/obble/37ad21c717dc575681d701d5661b5342 im an idiot, i thought you were colouring a kgpanel parented to quartz rather than using kgpanels to colour the bar directly |
| 17:57.15 | Adrenalined | modernist: I probaby didn't explain myself properly, sorry about that. Yeah I'm trying to get the cast bar to change to class colors. |
| 17:57.45 | Andols | modernist, that won't work because Quartz sets the colour when the cast starts |
| 17:58.00 | modernist | yeah i wondered if that might be the case |
| 17:59.35 | Adrenalined | Getting this now, http://imgur.com/a/xjjZz |
| 18:00.02 | Adrenalined | I think I just need to drop the kgpanel idea, and make the addon like you suggested |
| 18:00.26 | modernist | try changing the frame name to Quartz3CastBarPlayer.bar |
| 18:00.52 | modernist | but like Andols says, its being colourised on the fly so it probably wont work |
| 18:01.22 | Constie | Would it work to make a copy of the statusbar that you can make changes to and hide the original? |
| 18:01.36 | VIad | something weird happened to my FOV after coren direbrew :/ seems the more drunk I was, more FOV I got? wat? its slowly wearing off and I see the FOV getting smaller http://ss.bool.no/capture_1474394489.png |
| 18:02.02 | modernist | that's been the case since vanilla i think vlad |
| 18:02.13 | modernist | i remember getting it in ZG on the nostalrius client |
| 18:02.14 | VIad | I have been drunk before, I dont remember it being this bad |
| 18:04.25 | Constie | That looks like what I vaguely remember. |
| 18:05.12 | modernist | i always thought it was a pretty good analogy to going from drunk to sober quickly |
| 18:05.38 | modernist | i remember it becoming more pronounced when the drunk fuzz filter was disabled |
| 18:05.55 | VIad | I think legion changed stuff :p |
| 18:05.55 | Andols | Adrenalined: Try this. Open QuartzStatusBar and change this function QuartzStatusBar:SetStatusBarColor(r, g, b, a) to http://hastebin.com/ihagixicif.vbs |
| 18:06.07 | VIad | not the first year I get drunk in the coren fight |
| 18:06.14 | VIad | or bring the booze disguise with me :p |
| 18:06.15 | Adrenalined | modernist: Ok I created the addon, with the site. Loaded up no errors, but no color change. Also tried swapping it to .bar with no luck. |
| 18:06.39 | modernist | Andols solution should do the job |
| 18:08.49 | Adrenalined | Andols: OMG!!! It works!!!! |
| 18:09.03 | Adrenalined | Thank you both of you!!!! |
| 18:10.13 | Adrenalined | I just commented out the old code and dropped that in. Now I wonder if there is a way I can just add that to my own custom addon so I don't have to hack the file everytime he updates it. |
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| 18:12.24 | VIad | I can't throw the beers at the robot thing |
| 18:12.27 | VIad | the throw 5 beers quest |
| 18:12.51 | VIad | the "alcohol-free brewfest sampler" does nothing when clicked :/ |
| 18:13.46 | VIad | game so broken |
| 18:15.02 | Adrenalined | Andols: I went ahead and just duplicated QuartzStatusBar.lua in to my own addon but with your adjustments. Loads without errors, but it seems that his code is taking prescedence because class color won't show. |
| 18:15.46 | Adrenalined | Andols: I'm just happy that it's working, I'll just save the edit to a file and make the adjustment each time the addon is updated for now. I'll have to google how to override code with another addon. |
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| 18:21.12 | bshelden | What happens if a Mythic+ is entirely aborted? (Do you get the depleted keystone back?) |
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| 18:21.28 | VIad | does it even leave your bags? |
| 18:21.38 | bshelden | Add that to the question |
| 18:21.58 | bshelden | I was hoping to find out first hand tonight, but work is likely to keep me busy. |
| 18:25.12 | Ironii | is it possible for a mouse to leave a frame without OnHide or OnLeave events? |
| 18:25.18 | Ironii | is if it, how ;p |
| 18:25.22 | Ironii | if it is* |
| 18:26.06 | Ironii | im having problems with click-to-cast bindings, they are cleared on OnHide and OnLeave events but sometimes the bindings get stuck |
| 18:28.41 | bshelden | Standard checklist with that. Alt-tab, near the edge of the window. |
| 18:29.11 | Semlar | not sure if OnLeave fires if the mouse doesn't move off of the frame but something mouse-enabled appears under it |
| 18:29.45 | Ironii | bshelden none of those |
| 18:29.48 | Ironii | it happens mid combat |
| 18:29.56 | Ironii | well, can happen |
| 18:30.11 | Ironii | but it happens so rarely that debugging is hard :( |
| 18:30.19 | Semlar | otherwise you can force OnLeave to trigger from any non-restricted thing you want |
| 18:31.43 | Andols | Adrenalined: I don't think making it standalone is possible, because that function is calling DrawBar wich is a fuction that is local to Quartz. If I'm wrong tell me :) |
| 18:32.27 | Ironii | Semlar im 99% sure that isn't the problem |
| 18:32.42 | Ironii | i shouldn't have any frames over my unitframes |
| 18:32.52 | Ironii | well, atleast i have never noticed one ;p |
| 18:32.57 | Ironii | and im not the only one having the bug |
| 18:35.17 | Ironii | but yeah, i haven't been able to reproduce the bug in a dummy or anything, sometimes it just happens in a dungeon midfight |
| 18:36.04 | Adrenalined | Andols: I'm sure you're right. I'm fairly certain you know way more about this stuff than I. Was just hoping to maybe hack it together so I didn't have to manually edit the file everytime Quartz was updated. In hindsight, it's not that much work to to and the addon isn't updated that often. More of a quality of life change. Thank you again for yours and modernist help. |
| 18:37.53 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/arbcqBJ.png |
| 18:37.59 | znf | AND YOU ARE CONCERNED JUST ABOUT NOW? |
| 18:38.33 | Sharparam | that'sthejoke.jpg |
| 18:39.36 | Adrenalined | Andols: You know, you have me thinking now. So the code we commented out to add yours. It's obviously pulling that color from the options that you set in the GUI when configuring the addon. I wonder if we approached the problem differently. Would it be easier to make an addon that changes the color in the options? |
| 18:39.53 | Adrenalined | Andols: Then when it goes to pull that color it's already class colored from when you logged in? |
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| 18:48.00 | znf | >I apologize if this is a duplicate request but before I can make another |
| 18:48.00 | znf | payment we need your W8? |
| 18:48.05 | znf | USians - wth is a W8? |
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| 18:50.16 | bshelden | w - ate. Could be wait or weight. |
| 18:50.40 | znf | I'm guessing it's this: https://www.irs.gov/uac/form-w-8ben-certificate-of-foreign-status-of-beneficial-owner-for-united-states-tax-withholding |
| 18:50.44 | Thunder_Child | "Form W-8BEN, Certificate of Foreign Status of Beneficial Owner for United States Tax Withholding" |
| 18:50.45 | znf | but we're not an US company |
| 18:50.53 | Gnarfoz | do not need to be ac ompany |
| 18:51.22 | znf | mmm? |
| 18:51.50 | znf | Is this lady on meth, or what? |
| 18:52.07 | Gnarfoz | I was busy dpsing, let me rephrase that |
| 18:52.14 | Gnarfoz | W-8BEN is for people outside the US |
| 18:52.46 | Gnarfoz | I have to fill it out for my USD-based investment fund |
| 18:53.20 | znf | and why does my CLIENT want OUR W8? |
| 18:53.50 | Gnarfoz | how am I supposed to know it's from a client to you? |
| 18:54.20 | Gnarfoz | in that case... :shrug: |
| 18:54.58 | znf | I'm not sure why I need a W8 as a company |
| 18:56.50 | Gnarfoz | only if you're doing stuff that would require you to pay taxes in the US or something |
| 18:56.57 | Gnarfoz | but since you're not the client... I don't know |
| 18:57.03 | Gnarfoz | is the client USian? |
| 18:57.22 | bluspacecow | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 18:58.30 | znf | Gnarfoz, yeah, hostgator |
| 18:59.31 | sylvanaar | znf: IRS requires it so she can deduct payments to you |
| 19:00.32 | Gnarfoz | isn't the form universal |
| 19:00.44 | Gnarfoz | also, deduct what from what? |
| 19:01.28 | sylvanaar | From their income |
| 19:01.40 | Gnarfoz | income? |
| 19:01.41 | Gnarfoz | they're paying |
| 19:01.56 | znf | Yeah, they are OUR client. I don't get why I have to fill out an IRS for |
| 19:01.58 | znf | WTF? |
| 19:02.10 | sylvanaar | they don't pay you? |
| 19:02.28 | znf | ofc they do, since when do _WE_ have to fill out IRS forms? |
| 19:02.42 | sylvanaar | W8 is just an informational form |
| 19:03.40 | sylvanaar | It isn't like you have to file anything with the IRS |
| 19:03.52 | Gnarfoz | it isn't like he has to do anything at all |
| 19:03.59 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:04.21 | sylvanaar | Well if he wants to get paid :) |
| 19:04.30 | Gnarfoz | hostgator's problem |
| 19:04.30 | znf | Site5 has been our client for... years |
| 19:04.38 | znf | I don't think they've ever required such a thing |
| 19:04.48 | Gnarfoz | I hope you're alrady in a contract with them :p |
| 19:05.01 | znf | Now that they've been purchased by Endurance, which owns Hostgator, suddenly I have to submit USian forms? |
| 19:05.13 | Gnarfoz | you probably don't. ^^ |
| 19:06.38 | sylvanaar | Oh, that sucks. That means they want you to pay US income tax |
| 19:07.11 | Gnarfoz | that's an... interesting concept |
| 19:07.47 | Gnarfoz | maybe they did indeed not notice they're doing business with a company from a country on the other side of the planet |
| 19:09.08 | znf | sylvanaar, I'm sorry, what? for? |
| 19:09.33 | sylvanaar | You can look at the documentation for the form. Foreign entities are subject to a 30% tax on income earned from the US |
| 19:09.55 | znf | Hahahahaha |
| 19:10.09 | znf | Are you for real? |
| 19:10.23 | sylvanaar | Perhaps their former owner had a foreign subsidiary |
| 19:10.35 | Gnarfoz | they can pay their own taxes |
| 19:10.36 | sylvanaar | Yes. That's what the IRS website says. |
| 19:10.52 | sylvanaar | They will withhold it from your income. |
| 19:11.05 | znf | I don't understand the concept. |
| 19:11.18 | Gnarfoz | who is they |
| 19:11.27 | sylvanaar | You need a US tax advisor or attorney |
| 19:11.41 | znf | Why do I care about an US tax advisor and US taxes in general? |
| 19:11.48 | znf | I'm a company based in Romania, with goods and services in Romania. |
| 19:11.57 | znf | I pay my taxes here. |
| 19:12.06 | sylvanaar | So, the person paying you will deduct the taxes owed to the US govt before paying you |
| 19:12.16 | Gnarfoz | then it's that person owing |
| 19:12.19 | Gnarfoz | not znf's company |
| 19:12.33 | sylvanaar | Right |
| 19:12.38 | sylvanaar | Kind of |
| 19:12.53 | Gnarfoz | sounds kind of "BUY AMERICAN" like |
| 19:12.54 | znf | Not kind of. I understand taxes based on INCOME. |
| 19:13.05 | znf | Like, if I would pay them, they would pay taxes for that income. |
| 19:13.08 | znf | But this is the opposite. |
| 19:13.34 | sylvanaar | No, its the same. They just make the payment for you |
| 19:13.56 | znf | So if you send me $100, you have to pay taxes for it? |
| 19:13.57 | znf | What? |
| 19:14.21 | sylvanaar | No, you do, but since the govt cant be sure you will, they make me deduct it from your payment |
| 19:14.30 | sylvanaar | so you get $70 |
| 19:14.31 | znf | I dont' business on american soil |
| 19:14.32 | Gnarfoz | he is not subject to US taxes |
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| 19:14.36 | Gnarfoz | that's insane :p |
| 19:14.38 | sylvanaar | He is |
| 19:14.45 | Gnarfoz | good luck with that |
| 19:14.53 | znf | I don't do business on US soil. |
| 19:14.57 | Gnarfoz | you should not send him 70$ |
| 19:14.58 | sylvanaar | That's why they take it from the money before he gets paid |
| 19:15.04 | Gnarfoz | you should send him 100$ and send the IRS 30$ |
| 19:15.16 | sylvanaar | Well, however you make the arrangement |
| 19:15.29 | znf | If you come to Romania and pay me for goods that purchase here, you pay my sales tax. |
| 19:15.32 | sylvanaar | That's between you and your client who pays the tax |
| 19:15.41 | znf | that sales tax (vat) goes to the government |
| 19:15.49 | znf | I don't send that sales tax to your government |
| 19:15.51 | znf | that's hilarious |
| 19:16.31 | znf | http://blogs.angloinfo.com/us-tax/2012/12/24/what-is-form-w-8ben-and-what-is-it-used-for/ |
| 19:16.59 | znf | I rent them servers. |
| 19:17.04 | znf | I don't see how that applies. |
| 19:18.01 | sylvanaar | znf: I just looked. Romania has a similar tax. It is 16% |
| 19:18.17 | znf | Yeah, and we charge them that tax. |
| 19:18.24 | znf | Actually that's income, sorry. |
| 19:18.32 | znf | There's different types of taxes |
| 19:18.38 | znf | There's a tax on income (which is up to 3%) |
| 19:18.43 | znf | Then there's a tax on profit (16%) |
| 19:18.53 | sylvanaar | Yeah, this is the same type of tax as the US govt is trying to charge you |
| 19:18.55 | znf | that's for companies |
| 19:19.05 | znf | Also there's VAT> |
| 19:19.26 | sylvanaar | "As a general rule, non-resident companies not operating through a permanent establishment are subject to 16% withholding tax in Romania on income from sources in Romania" |
| 19:20.05 | znf | I'm not sure that only applies to "from sources in ROmania" |
| 19:20.25 | znf | But we're a resident company in Romania. |
| 19:20.29 | znf | Like I said, we pay taxes already. |
| 19:20.36 | sylvanaar | Well it may not, but this is about foreign companies. |
| 19:20.38 | znf | That's 16% on profit. |
| 19:20.58 | sylvanaar | If your client got income from you, romania would want you to withold 16% of it and pay the govt |
| 19:21.35 | znf | I've never heard of such a thing. If I pay an online service, I don't pay the specified price + that country's tax. |
| 19:21.47 | znf | I pay what they ask me, it's their issue what they do with the money and how they deduct shit. |
| 19:22.01 | znf | I don't have to pay separate taxes in Romania because I bought a black dildo from US. |
| 19:22.07 | sylvanaar | So, there is usually an exemption for small amounts of money |
| 19:22.20 | znf | (except customs taxes for the actual physical product, but that's another thing) |
| 19:22.43 | sylvanaar | Tax rules are complex |
| 19:23.07 | sylvanaar | Especially when more than one country is involved |
| 19:23.26 | znf | Anyway, this is the first time I ever heard about this, and we have more than a few clients from US (and other countries) |
| 19:24.30 | sylvanaar | Hrm, I wonder how your US clients avoid this. |
| 19:24.52 | znf | I'm still not sure why there's something to avoid. |
| 19:24.53 | Thunder_Child | Just because someone is 'in' the us doesn't a whole lot. |
| 19:25.18 | Thunder_Child | mean a whole lot* |
| 19:25.55 | znf | I'm pretty sure they were a LLC or whatever the fuck the companies in there are |
| 19:26.37 | sylvanaar | Did they pay you less than $600? |
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| 19:27.34 | znf | No |
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| 19:28.09 | sylvanaar | Then IDK - that's a question for a Tax Attorney or an Accountant |
| 19:28.30 | znf | I hope you're wrong, else this means that you have the most retarded tax system in the world |
| 19:28.42 | sylvanaar | Like I said you have the same tax though |
| 19:28.50 | sylvanaar | It is just lower |
| 19:28.53 | znf | When I buy shit from china or EU, I don't have to send the government extra money... |
| 19:28.59 | znf | no, we don't have the same tax... |
| 19:29.25 | znf | You send me money for a good. I pay MY government their due taxes on income/profit/whatever |
| 19:29.42 | sylvanaar | I looked it up - you do. Tax withholding on income to a foreign business |
| 19:30.00 | znf | You're basically saying that when you send me money for a good/service, I have to send money to YOUR government |
| 19:30.02 | Gnarfoz | how do you have income "to" a business |
| 19:30.05 | znf | That is downright retarded. |
| 19:30.27 | Gnarfoz | your income is where your company is |
| 19:30.28 | znf | _in addition_ to my government |
| 19:30.55 | sylvanaar | Your government should give you a deduction for taxes paid to a foreign government |
| 19:31.07 | sylvanaar | That should not count as income to you |
| 19:31.58 | sylvanaar | So in our $100 example. You would owe Romanian tax on the $70 left |
| 19:32.23 | foxlit | That approach is so obviously unreasonable. |
| 19:32.44 | sylvanaar | You know that is how it is here in the US, state to state |
| 19:32.46 | foxlit | What's actually going to happen is that the US entity will pay him 100$ and pay uncle Sam 33$. |
| 19:33.12 | sylvanaar | If I make money from someone in a state with income tax, I owe tax to that state + my state |
| 19:33.50 | sylvanaar | So, you can do the math and make it work out so that he gets $100 |
| 19:34.05 | znf | No you don't. |
| 19:34.17 | znf | if I pay something on Amazon.de, I don't have to give Gnarfoz's government money. |
| 19:34.24 | sylvanaar | That is different |
| 19:34.31 | sylvanaar | Different rules |
| 19:34.46 | Gnarfoz | Amazon would have to be the one paying you, for that to be a valid example |
| 19:34.57 | znf | ok, then |
| 19:35.09 | znf | if amazon pays me, I don't have to pay their government too |
| 19:35.13 | foxlit | Funnily enough amazon.de charges you romanian VAT in that example. |
| 19:35.20 | znf | VAT is different |
| 19:35.23 | Gnarfoz | EU shenangigans ^^ |
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| 19:35.47 | Gnarfoz | (that's also just since 2016) |
| 19:35.53 | sylvanaar | Amazon charges me Tax on my purchases now that I live in CA |
| 19:36.02 | znf | again, that's sales taxes |
| 19:36.04 | znf | not income |
| 19:36.09 | sylvanaar | Right |
| 19:36.16 | znf | your tax laws are stupid |
| 19:36.26 | znf | "let's display $9.99, but charge more at the register" |
| 19:36.31 | sylvanaar | Im telling you you have the exact same law lol |
| 19:37.19 | sylvanaar | If a foreign company makes money from a Romanian, Romania wants a cut |
| 19:39.48 | sylvanaar | B2B |
| 19:40.00 | znf | I'd like Romania to try that with China |
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| 19:40.27 | sylvanaar | That's why they withhold tax before paying |
| 19:46.24 | znf | I don't do the taxes and crap anyway, but that's an interesting thing |
| 19:46.30 | znf | I'll let my colleague handle it |
| 19:53.45 | Andols | Adrenalined: Depends, do you want it on every castbar or only the player castbar? |
| 19:54.12 | Andols | every as in , target, focus, targetoftarget etc |
| 19:55.06 | Adrenalined | Andols: just the player honestly |
| 19:56.14 | Adrenalined | Was thinking we could still pull that value though since it's defined in the gui as the color for the player.....I think |
| 19:56.22 | Adrenalined | I'll have to double check it really quick |
| 19:57.18 | Adrenalined | I need to start hunting google to, need to find a good way to remote in to home computer to log in to game when I'm not there. Teamviewer seems to lag too much |
| 19:57.29 | Semlar | what did you do |
| 19:57.38 | Semlar | fix it |
| 19:58.12 | Semlar | bnet kicked me off |
| 19:58.42 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar: You also get charged tax on Prime if you have it. |
| 19:59.03 | Adrenalined | Andols, ok I was wrong, it's a global cast bar color. You're right, I don't think I'd want the other castbars my class color. |
| 19:59.16 | Adrenalined | Has to be another way I'm just not thinking outside the box well enough |
| 19:59.17 | Thunder_Child | "Amazon Services, Inc. has received guidance from the state of California that Prime is considered a taxable service and subject to the applicable state and local tax rates." I am not pleased. |
| 19:59.36 | znf | gg blizzard |
| 19:59.44 | Primer | realms dying |
| 19:59.59 | znf | the quest that you have to draw runes on the floor in Azsuna is bugging out in cat form |
| 20:00.12 | Primer | if ISPs got their shit together, DDoS would not be a thing |
| 20:00.26 | foxlit | I likely did it in cat form, seemed to work. |
| 20:00.30 | foxlit | You might want to walk. |
| 20:00.46 | Primer | How hard can it be to detect fake packets coming from inside their network? |
| 20:02.03 | Gnarfoz | they don't need to be fake |
| 20:02.05 | Gnarfoz | just many. :p |
| 20:02.05 | znf | yeah, cat form is too fast |
| 20:02.10 | Primer | Once the fake packets are filtered out, what remains are packets with legitimate source addresses, at which point you find the customer and tell them to fix their shit |
| 20:02.41 | Primer | you cut off their access beforehand though |
| 20:02.43 | znf | and you distinguish them packets as being legitimate, how? |
| 20:02.52 | Primer | rate |
| 20:03.03 | Primer | and target address |
| 20:03.08 | znf | you know why they have a D in front of that DoS? |
| 20:03.18 | Primer | sigh |
| 20:03.21 | Ironii | double D is bigger then D ? |
| 20:03.24 | Primer | just saying that it's possible |
| 20:03.36 | Primer | but it's not in the ISP's interest |
| 20:04.14 | znf | Lots of DDoS happens from end-users lines/boxes |
| 20:04.28 | Primer | yes, and I just described a way to mitigate that |
| 20:04.40 | znf | As a small ISP, I'm not going to bother checking if 3 of my clients are sending 1Mbps to you, each |
| 20:04.53 | Primer | see above |
| 20:05.11 | znf | There are no "fake" packets |
| 20:05.26 | znf | What's a fake packet? |
| 20:05.27 | Primer | of course there are |
| 20:05.37 | Primer | a packet with a forged source address |
| 20:06.03 | znf | who said anything about forged source address? |
| 20:06.11 | Primer | I did |
| 20:06.29 | znf | That's not exactly every dos attack out there |
| 20:06.39 | Primer | no, but it's part of it |
| 20:07.44 | mfgmfg | one of the few obvious ones is NTP reflection |
| 20:07.52 | mfgmfg | but that's relatively easy to filter |
| 20:07.59 | mfgmfg | and get server admins to fix |
| 20:08.20 | Adrenalined | Adrenalined, |
| 20:08.58 | Primer | well, forged source addresses also can't be traced back to their sources once they leave the first hop |
| 20:13.09 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/Ymchshg.png |
| 20:13.14 | znf | so FB always crits, or what? |
| 20:14.46 | Primer | no |
| 20:15.10 | Andols | Adrenalined: Ok, then i think this is the way to go. I made some additions because i wanted this for myself :D http://hastebin.com/arejoneziz.lua The additions is that it does not replace anything if the colur passed belongs to interupt, cast completed etc :) |
| 20:15.12 | Primer | but crit is a feral's top stat |
| 20:15.29 | Primer | secondary was implied |
| 20:16.27 | znf | why the fuck do quests only offer blood relics? |
| 20:16.39 | Andols | Unless nevcairiel implements it in the core ;) |
| 20:17.43 | Adrenalined | Andols: that would be ideal I suppose but I'm not sure he would or will. It seems to be just generic maintenance at this point. Honestly, a few years back when he took over the project I was stupid excited. I used quartz for as long as I could remember and was super depressed when it went down for that year or 2 |
| 20:18.40 | Adrenalined | Andols: also thank you again for the edit. I'll try it out when I can actually get to my home computer. Teamviewer is upsetting me at the moment. I'm still trying to run across anyway in my head to make a seperate addon to handle this instead of editing the addon itself |
| 20:19.34 | Adrenalined | But after taking a quick look at the way it's setup I'm guessing that isn't going to happen. |
| 20:22.11 | Primer | znf: I'm still using a crappy low level blood relic with a trait that's not linked |
| 20:22.19 | Primer | I've not been able to find a replacement |
| 20:22.23 | Primer | well, get one |
| 20:22.29 | znf | Primer, you still get the benefit of the trait, even if it's not linked |
| 20:22.32 | Primer | I know where they are. They just don't drop. |
| 20:22.46 | Primer | Why is the text in red then? |
| 20:22.56 | Primer | "No active links" |
| 20:22.58 | znf | dunno, but Guill confirmed that you still get it |
| 20:23.07 | Primer | good to know, thanks |
| 20:23.22 | Adrenalined | znf: I was JUST about to ask if that was true |
| 20:23.29 | Adrenalined | I had been wondering that for a few days now[ |
| 20:23.36 | znf | I think TheDanW can confirm it, too :P |
| 20:23.39 | znf | I've asked in the beta |
| 20:23.46 | Primer | still, there are blood relics that give the trait I want |
| 20:24.03 | Primer | that being Razor Fangs |
| 20:24.04 | Andols | Replacing a function is easy http://hastebin.com/ufarinocij.lua, the problem was that if a replaced function can't call a function that is local to the original addon. In this case DrawBar(self). |
| 20:24.12 | Andols | Again, if I am wrong please tell me :D |
| 20:26.25 | Adrenalined | Andols: Oh, I'm not trying to disagree with you, like I said I'm sure you know better than I. Just got my mind thinking more about it was all. |
| 20:28.59 | Andols | Adrenalined: I know, that was just a open question to anyone to correct me if i'm wrong :D |
| 20:35.44 | znf | Client opens support ticket |
| 20:35.59 | znf | Says his Gmail doesn't return search results (we're google apps resellers for romania) |
| 20:36.03 | znf | Sends me a screenshot of outlook |
| 20:36.04 | znf | ...?! |
| 20:38.13 | Adrenalined | Anyone sync their addons with multiple computers? I'm curious to how others may go about handling that |
| 20:44.11 | Shockah | Adrenalined, Dropbox + symlinks |
| 20:44.47 | TheDanW | znf, Adrenalined: you get the trait's bonus from a relic even if you have no points in it |
| 20:45.17 | Adrenalined | Shockah: I had seen that, but then read that it was a bad idea to do it. I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate the dos and don'ts of it but I was curious if there was another solution to it |
| 20:45.26 | TheDanW | i use OneDrive and symlinks |
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| 20:46.44 | Adrenalined | TheDanW: I was thinking google drive, I had heard that OneDrive didn't push updates fast enough at times? Causing some issues? Could be wrong. Now that I'm thinkging about it I can't really think of a reason not to do the symlinks way |
| 20:47.09 | TheDanW | i tried google drive before, seemed to be ok |
| 20:47.31 | Adrenalined | Any reason for one? Just prefer it? |
| 20:47.45 | TheDanW | we block google drive at work, and the zipping process is slow and often breaks with large number of files |
| 20:48.10 | TheDanW | and we have a deal with microsoft for one drive |
| 20:48.42 | Adrenalined | Oh cool. When you say zipping process, that's for....? I may have looked at an older guide to setting this up, I don't recall anything being zipped up. |
| 20:49.08 | TheDanW | since gdrive is blocked, only the web interface was available |
| 20:49.17 | TheDanW | to download from it it auto-zips the files you select |
| 20:49.47 | Sharparam | hm |
| 20:49.55 | Sharparam | a git repo for addon settings would be interesting |
| 20:50.06 | Sharparam | easy reverting to previous versions |
| 20:50.28 | znf | makes me wonder why blizzard has gdrive blocked :D |
| 20:50.56 | Adrenalined | TheDanW: Ahhhhh ok makes sense now |
| 20:51.08 | Adrenalined | I'm looking at giving the symlink thing a go |
| 20:52.18 | Adrenalined | I had originally thought of doing a script to zip the folders, robo to schedule automated backups to google, then a script to unzip and place folders and files |
| 20:52.29 | Adrenalined | maybe get some form of versioning on it |
| 20:52.37 | Andols | znf: Because they have a deal with microsoft? :D |
| 20:55.48 | Adrenalined | Andols: updated Quartz with your new code, works amazing, thanks again for the help with that |
| 20:57.03 | Adrenalined | I had originally wanted to use KGPanels because WAY back when before LUI became it's own "addon" while it was just a compliation that's how he accomplished it with quartz. A basic on load panel that was hidden that just updated the cast bar depending on class. |
| 20:57.12 | Adrenalined | This overall, seems far cleaner |
| 21:01.16 | nevcairiel | Oh great mmo-c is running ads again that take over the phone browser, no chance of using the back button |
| 21:01.19 | nevcairiel | And secret click areas everywhere |
| 21:02.07 | nevcairiel | And people wonder why everyone rubs AdBlock with scum ads like those |
| 21:02.14 | nevcairiel | runs* |
| 21:03.19 | Semlar | mfgmfg: i'm pretty sure if you don't have cooking my addon will prevent you from opening your tradeskill windows |
| 21:03.39 | Semlar | i'll sort that out |
| 21:04.01 | znf | let's all slap chaud |
| 21:04.02 | znf | and Bibi |
| 21:04.05 | znf | just for good measure |
| 21:05.23 | Thunder_Child | znf: Have you ever tried Valium? |
| 21:05.29 | Thunder_Child | You might want to look into it. |
| 21:05.53 | nevcairiel | Ad providers should just clean up house then it might not be as terrible and get people to more often tolerate ads |
| 21:06.04 | Semlar | TheDanW: is there some way to set the current tradeskill so i can get a list of what recipes you know without actually causing the interface to open the tradeskill window |
| 21:06.30 | Semlar | because right now i'm just calling C_TradeSkillUI.OpenTradeSkill(185) and unregistering TRADE_SKILL_SHOW from UIParent first |
| 21:06.33 | znf | Thunder_Child, needs subscription |
| 21:06.52 | znf | ~framexml |
| 21:06.52 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 21:07.48 | znf | TheDanW, any way of getting C_ArtifactUI.GetArtifactKnowledgeLevel() without the artifact window being opened? |
| 21:08.34 | nevcairiel | Just remember it from when it was las opened |
| 21:08.41 | nevcairiel | It's one value |
| 21:09.16 | znf | but then I'll have to save it |
| 21:09.26 | TheDanW | Semlar: unregister the default UI from the open event |
| 21:09.26 | znf | and retrieve it on next login |
| 21:09.37 | TheDanW | znf: same thing |
| 21:10.23 | znf | wasn't there a library for caching artifact datra? |
| 21:10.24 | znf | data |
| 21:11.03 | znf | lol @ multi-boxer C_ArtifactUI.GetArtifactKnowledgeLevel() |
| 21:11.05 | znf | erm |
| 21:11.06 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/el1VxqE.png |
| 21:18.38 | chaud | let's not slap me |
| 21:18.41 | chaud | let's report ad urls instead |
| 21:19.14 | znf | I'm not sure you can even do that on mobile when the whole screen is click-grabbed by the ad |
| 21:19.32 | chaud | on android chrome://cache/ has all the urls |
| 21:20.13 | chaud | on iOS we are only serving super basic ads that can't do any of that |
| 21:20.37 | nevcairiel | Why you preferring iOS users |
| 21:20.49 | Sharparam | i was about to ask why not serve super simple ads on android as well? |
| 21:20.54 | chaud | because there were awful ads that were redirecting you to the app store constantly |
| 21:21.01 | chaud | and google apparently is unable to stop them |
| 21:21.07 | nevcairiel | I get awful ads today |
| 21:21.21 | chaud | wellll, I have had 0 reports of android ad issues recently |
| 21:21.26 | znf | wish we could go back to fucking just display a static picture for n add |
| 21:21.36 | znf | with a click link |
| 21:21.41 | nevcairiel | And chrome://cache/ doesn't load |
| 21:21.43 | Sharparam | +1 znf |
| 21:21.46 | chaud | it should eventually |
| 21:22.08 | znf | now everything has to be dynamic |
| 21:22.10 | znf | and shit like that |
| 21:22.35 | chaud | I would be fully onboard with static ads if they didn't pay nothing |
| 21:23.38 | nevcairiel | The url from browser history is www.appnxus.net |
| 21:24.03 | nevcairiel | http://www.appnxus.net/outgoing/d/a=23949203454321.html |
| 21:24.05 | nevcairiel | To be precise |
| 21:24.16 | chaud | thanks, will get it banned |
| 21:24.26 | Sharparam | znf: is that outline and/or shadow on your 3d name fonts? |
| 21:24.31 | nevcairiel | That's the ones that hidden click areas got me anyway |
| 21:24.43 | nevcairiel | No clue where the ad loaded from. |
| 21:25.05 | znf | Sharparam, no, it's outline |
| 21:25.11 | Sharparam | how |
| 21:25.12 | znf | and a dropshadow for selected |
| 21:25.15 | znf | KuiNamePlates |
| 21:25.22 | Semlar | what gear drops in mythic+ |
| 21:25.30 | Sharparam | oh so it's nameplates and not the actual basic names? |
| 21:25.35 | znf | Semlar, 850 base |
| 21:25.37 | znf | Sharparam, yes |
| 21:25.41 | Semlar | i mean what gear exactly |
| 21:25.42 | Sharparam | i see |
| 21:25.45 | Semlar | same as the instance? |
| 21:25.47 | znf | Semlar, yes |
| 21:25.59 | nevcairiel | znf: don't spread misinformation |
| 21:26.01 | znf | chest contains items from the instance loot table |
| 21:26.02 | znf | ?! |
| 21:26.18 | nevcairiel | 2 and 3 drop 845 |
| 21:26.45 | znf | oh, well... |
| 21:26.51 | nevcairiel | 4 and 5 850 |
| 21:26.53 | znf | this is Semlar we're talking about |
| 21:26.59 | znf | he can do 7+ on first day |
| 21:27.00 | nevcairiel | And in theory it goes on like that until 10 at 865 |
| 21:27.12 | nevcairiel | But first week it caps on 850 |
| 21:27.15 | Semlar | i'm going to pull all the mobs |
| 21:27.53 | Semlar | i'm sure i'm going to regret putting all of my artifact power into marksmanship |
| 21:28.11 | nevcairiel | It's the only useful hunter spec right now |
| 21:28.15 | nevcairiel | So what you gonna do |
| 21:28.31 | Semlar | BM is probably better for dungeons |
| 21:28.45 | znf | I wonder why I didn't go for Guardian on my druid |
| 21:28.51 | Semlar | it's more mobile, doesn't have sidewinders pulling everything and has more aoe damage |
| 21:29.28 | Semlar | i don't think it has as much single target damage though |
| 21:29.31 | nevcairiel | No clue znf, guardian druid best druid |
| 21:29.57 | foxlit | fat bears run slowly. |
| 21:30.33 | nevcairiel | Can always go cat for running, bear for fighting |
| 21:30.50 | znf | lol, when I encounter that multiboxing guy, my FPS drops |
| 21:31.24 | znf | think there's 6 of them all of them with hati, that spectral annoying thing |
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| 21:43.34 | znf | I still don't understand why WoW doesn't use more than 1 core to it's fullest |
| 21:43.45 | znf | Resource Monitor says that it's using 34 threads |
| 21:44.11 | znf | Shouldn't those be automatically distributed around all my cores? |
| 21:44.14 | znf | Or how does this work? |
| 21:47.06 | nevcairiel | sure they are, but just because a thread exists doesnt mean it has much to do |
| 21:47.22 | nevcairiel | the primary load is on the main game thread, which does the graphics work |
| 21:47.37 | nevcairiel | and without a drastic re-design, multi-threading something like that is hard |
| 21:47.55 | znf | wish the UI would have it's own thread :-/ |
| 21:48.03 | nevcairiel | no you don't |
| 21:48.08 | nevcairiel | that would make addon writing hard =p |
| 21:51.16 | znf | you know what I mean! |
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| 21:55.41 | pompy | 16.39mb update to wow |
| 21:56.16 | pnorman | I wonder if I can run the battle.net app under wine |
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| 22:00.57 | Thunder_Child | Yes. |
| 22:01.15 | Thunder_Child | What the hell happened to kd3? |
| 22:01.40 | Thunder_Child | ~seen kd3 |
| 22:01.42 | purl | kd3 <~quassel@unaffiliated/kd3> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11d 14h 18m 30s ago, saying: '(catching up on news) ugh, shit. just as I get here best korea tests another nuke.'. |
| 22:02.10 | znf | he dead |
| 22:02.12 | Gnarfoz | he's in Japan |
| 22:02.22 | Thunder_Child | So I figured. |
| 22:02.52 | znf | he's dead in japan |
| 22:05.50 | nevcairiel | interesting, i didnt know there was a mail sending cap in-game |
| 22:06.14 | nevcairiel | i tried mailing flasks to all our raid members for tomorrow night and after 20 people or so i cant send anymore =p |
| 22:06.25 | Semlar | spam! |
| 22:16.30 | Sharparam | pnorman: yes. at least i can (using PlayOnLinux, but that's basically wine with some fancy helper stuff around it) |
| 22:20.25 | pnorman | downloading wine on airport wifi seems to be a much harder task |
| 22:28.39 | znf | Step 1: |
| 22:28.41 | znf | Multibox |
| 22:28.42 | znf | Step 2: |
| 22:28.46 | znf | Pick gathering professions |
| 22:28.48 | znf | Step 3: |
| 22:28.50 | znf | $$ |
| 22:29.38 | nevcairiel | if that gets out of hand blizzard will probably do something about it |
| 22:40.05 | znf | nevcairiel, my bartender bugs when I pull stuff in from stealth |
| 22:40.15 | znf | the bar doesn't swap until I get out of combat |
| 22:41.21 | znf | just started happening randomly |
| 22:46.29 | Gnarfoz | I randomly get macros showing the wrong ability after respeccing (Hammer of the Righteous instead of Crusader Strike, even though I'm ret) ^^ |
| 22:46.50 | Gnarfoz | button works, but it doesn't show the ability cooldown or charges, weird |
| 22:51.05 | Unkle | isn't caching a delight? |
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| 22:58.56 | znf | uhm |
| 22:59.09 | znf | isn't brewfest supposed to be available from 100+? :-| |
| 23:00.36 | znf | (I mean, there's lvl 100 loot) |
| 23:02.49 | znf | I can't queue @ 103 :( |
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| 23:19.22 | nevcairiel | znf: usually another addon broke it then |
| 23:19.48 | znf | :-( |
| 23:23.18 | Gnarfoz | 810 items is not really "lvl 100 loot" is it |
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| 23:49.34 | znf | Gnarfoz, it requires lvl 100, but it's 810 |
| 23:50.52 | foxlit | the change in mission control animation speed bugs me. |
| 23:51.17 | znf | master plan it |
| 23:52.25 | Adrenalined_ | I was actually curious if you planned on adding class hall to masterplan |
| 23:57.51 | foxlit | that's an unexpected tangent; I was just whining about os x. |
| 23:58.56 | Adrenalined_ | Haha, I saw mission control thought class missions, then read master plan then went oh yeahhh haha |
| 23:59.18 | _Kee | I found a new mana farming spot in Suramar, when NPCs spawns immediatelly. I made 27.57M dps using only a toy: http://benio.me/pub/res/img/wow/27.57M.png My new personal record :p (well, would be more, but wow frozen completelly (too much souls)) |
