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| 00:41.12 | Stanzilla | https://www.twitch.tv/pooflower |
| 00:41.15 | Stanzilla | find the mistake |
| 00:45.38 | nebula | listening to her talk |
| 00:45.41 | nebula | is the mistake |
| 00:46.45 | Stanzilla | that's the first one |
| 00:46.50 | Stanzilla | the second one is also easy to spot |
| 00:47.25 | Simca | the typo in the stream title? |
| 00:47.35 | Stanzilla | nope, that is apperantly intentional |
| 00:47.39 | Stanzilla | and the nickname for her sister |
| 00:47.41 | Stanzilla | (...) |
| 00:47.42 | Simca | i thought it might be |
| 00:48.15 | Stanzilla | she has no talents |
| 00:48.17 | Stanzilla | like 0 |
| 00:48.21 | Stanzilla | she opened the panel at one point |
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| 00:48.28 | Stanzilla | "I'm a warrior, I dont need talents" |
| 00:48.30 | nebula | crutch |
| 00:48.57 | Stanzilla | "I dont know which one to use, so I dont use any" |
| 00:49.12 | nebula | going back to what i initially said |
| 00:49.49 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 00:52.33 | Stanzilla | her instagram is interesting too |
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| 00:59.35 | Thunder_Child | Sounds like a trap. |
| 01:08.41 | znf | Highmountain fishing is really cancer |
| 01:09.38 | Torhal | Stanzilla: You should run a raid with her as tank. |
| 01:10.02 | Stanzilla | I |
| 01:10.09 | Stanzilla | d rather run a knife through my testicles |
| 01:10.16 | Torhal | Whoah |
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| 01:13.40 | nebula | ha! good joke, you don't have any testicles |
| 01:16.31 | Stanzilla | not nice |
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| 02:09.19 | LexSfX | Semlar: i replaced "target" with "focus" and "TARGET" with "FOCUS" in Crosshairs and it works for my focus now |
| 02:09.22 | LexSfX | tested |
| 02:10.30 | LexSfX | this is extremely nice for resto shaman, like i thought; consistently was able to face and interrupt moonkin who was very dodgy and liked to blink around |
| 02:10.41 | LexSfX | great for facing mage too |
| 02:12.20 | Semlar | good |
| 02:13.27 | Semlar | it was originally just a focus indicator for my nameplates but i took it out and made it a standalone addon because someone wanted it |
| 02:14.23 | LexSfX | cool |
| 02:14.27 | znf | yes |
| 02:14.31 | znf | crosshair is perty |
| 02:15.05 | znf | wait |
| 02:15.11 | znf | you can make it track your focus? :o |
| 02:17.28 | LexSfX | yes, with the above replacement |
| 02:17.52 | LexSfX | in Crosshairs.lua, i replaced "target" with "focus" and "TARGET" with "FOCUS" |
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| 02:43.29 | LexSfX | Semlar: the sharpshooter-like tracking motion is interesting, but i want the crosshair's motion to be instantaneous now that i've experienced it enough. do you have any advice on what changes i could make to do this? |
| 02:43.59 | LexSfX | also, i want the showing/hiding to be instantaneous too, rather than fading |
| 02:44.15 | LexSfX | i realize you worked hard on implementing those cool-looking effects... sorry! lol |
| 02:45.18 | znf | lines 71 |
| 02:45.24 | znf | 97 |
| 02:45.34 | znf | all the alpha thingies |
| 02:45.39 | znf | line 100 |
| 02:45.42 | znf | etc |
| 02:45.46 | znf | could just set duration to 0 |
| 02:46.14 | LexSfX | oh yeah |
| 02:46.17 | LexSfX | trying that |
| 02:48.29 | znf | ~status |
| 02:48.29 | purl | Since Tue Sep 13 19:20:16 2016, there have been 0 modifications, 30 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 24 commands. I have been awake for 2d 7h 28m 13s this session, and currently reference 119612 factoids. I'm using about 86284 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 417.49/5.94 child 0/0 |
| 02:48.32 | znf | ~wowalert |
| 02:48.33 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 02:51.46 | LexSfX | actually, fadeOut is good to see where they went (like if they blinked off the screen) |
| 02:52.22 | LexSfX | or at least where they were so i can determine how far they could blink |
| 02:55.49 | znf | ...you would think you can fish in EoA (the island, not the zone) |
| 02:55.52 | znf | nope, no fish there :( |
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| 03:06.03 | LexSfX | i guess all the fish-polymorphed people were purified |
| 03:13.00 | znf | crap |
| 03:13.03 | znf | server shutdown in 15 |
| 03:13.12 | znf | I thought that was tomorow |
| 03:24.00 | znf | Ruuuuuuuuuuuuun http://i.imgur.com/d8dNKks.png |
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| 03:49.28 | znf | cool, servers are back up |
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| 03:53.40 | znf | what http://i.imgur.com/VOEa2py.png |
| 03:56.43 | Trela | Rekt. |
| 03:56.50 | Simca | Torhal: do you happen to know the command to pull up UI coords for your current arch sites off the top of your head? |
| 03:56.53 | Simca | i could look for it |
| 03:57.45 | Torhal | Simca: Not sure what you mean. |
| 03:58.13 | Simca | basically whatever code you use for that lookup table |
| 03:58.29 | Simca | i'd like to fill those out as i do arch in azsuna or whatever |
| 03:59.04 | Torhal | Oh, /archy debug - if it detects a WorldMap landmark of the correct type that it doesn't have a table key for, it'll print there. |
| 04:00.15 | znf | wtf |
| 04:00.23 | znf | why are people crz'd in dalaran |
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| 04:41.06 | Fisker | tired |
| 04:41.10 | Fisker | hug Cairenn |
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| 04:53.47 | jnwhiteh | hug Fisker |
| 04:56.59 | Fisker | hug jnwhiteh |
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| 06:28.55 | LexSfX | woah, battle.net client beta |
| 06:28.58 | LexSfX | never heard of this |
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| 07:20.01 | VIad | sounds scary |
| 07:28.02 | LexSfX | VIad: seems the same as the regular battle.net client, but i'm guessing they fixed some internal bugs like repeatedly updating WoW every time i close it... lol |
| 07:28.08 | LexSfX | haven't tried closing WoW yet though |
| 07:28.27 | Torhal | I hope they fixed the CPU eating. |
| 07:28.51 | Torhal | I'd kill it most times after starting wow because it would use between 23-52% of a core. |
| 07:29.14 | LexSfX | Torhal: looks like it's still munching away for no reason |
| 07:31.52 | Torhal | Simca: Not sure what you mean.*-+ |
| 07:32.03 | Torhal | KEYBOARD CAT STRIKES! |
| 07:32.17 | Simca | surprised it doesn't happen more often with that many |
| 07:37.57 | LexSfX | wtb slide whistle mute |
| 07:38.17 | LexSfX | does not fit game atmosphere |
| 07:38.23 | LexSfX | and too many people use it |
| 07:39.08 | LexSfX | can particular sounds be muted from the addon side? |
| 07:39.45 | VIad | no. but you can place empty audio files in the right path in the game folder. |
| 07:40.05 | VIad | thats how I got rid of the dalaran speech, and the new magician in new dalaran |
| 07:40.09 | VIad | along with annoying gnimo sounds |
| 07:40.21 | VIad | and the grummels on the other mount |
| 07:40.35 | nevcairiel | the magician has like an audible range of 10 ft, just dont stand on top of him :p |
| 07:40.59 | LexSfX | how do i find what empty audio file to place where for the Seafarer's Slidewhistle? |
| 07:41.52 | LexSfX | btw, i've been using https://wow.curseforge.com/addons/mute-wow-sounds/ for years and realized what it does, but idk how they found the sound names etc. |
| 07:45.19 | VIad | I dunno, I both blocked the messages in my chat filter part of my addon and the sound files |
| 07:45.26 | VIad | I heard him enough in the beta, was fun the first times :p |
| 07:45.55 | VIad | you can maybe use wowhead to find the particular sound name too |
| 07:46.07 | VIad | but beware if its a generic sound, you'll mute everything using it :p |
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| 08:26.34 | VIad | I wonder if there are people with 4 legendaries already |
| 08:26.48 | VIad | if they were lucky to get the first early, then since drops chances were higher for secondary drops :p |
| 08:26.59 | VIad | imagine being that guy that got full legendary set lol |
| 08:52.00 | karl_w_w | looks like they snapped under the weight of "should I wait for Pixel phones" posts https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus/ |
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| 08:56.39 | VIad | explain karl_w_w |
| 08:56.51 | VIad | why the pixel pidgeon meme? |
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| 09:16.11 | mpstark | Correct me if I'm wrong but 7.1 looks like it removes the 'cameradistancemaxfactor' cvar? |
| 09:16.51 | mpstark | The slider is also missing from the interface options. Max is 28.5, not seeing a way to change it |
| 09:17.51 | VIad | mpstark: did you know the units in the camera distance is same as in-game yds? |
| 09:18.09 | VIad | just a fun fact. I don't know the answer to your question sadly. |
| 09:18.11 | mpstark | Yeah, but it's from the edge of your hitbox |
| 09:18.20 | mpstark | Which is annoying when you're a gnome lol |
| 09:18.24 | VIad | :d |
| 09:18.32 | VIad | taurens have an extra free .5 yd |
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| 09:20.15 | mfgmfg | mpstark, it got renamed. slider is gone so it stays at 1.9 for most users. can still change cameraDistanceMaxZoomFactor |
| 09:20.49 | mpstark | mfgmfg, thanks for the heads up |
| 09:21.11 | nevcairiel | with the added bonus that the UI doesnt reset it back to 1.9 when you change it manually |
| 09:21.31 | mpstark | Still the same range 1 to 2.6? |
| 09:21.34 | VIad | what does he mean by "it stays at 1.9 for most users"? :p |
| 09:21.40 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 09:21.54 | VIad | "oh sorry for you our RNG decided 1.2" |
| 09:22.02 | nevcairiel | VIad: it just defaults to max now, so unless someone manually changes it, its 1.9 for most |
| 09:22.06 | VIad | aha |
| 09:22.12 | Alram | maybe try finding that experimental options thing |
| 09:22.19 | Alram | might be hidden under that now |
| 09:23.16 | nevcairiel | nah it was just removed |
| 09:23.33 | VIad | camera had like 10 cvars related to distances |
| 09:23.37 | VIad | might as well trim it down :p |
| 09:23.49 | VIad | probably like 50 cvars related to camera in general |
| 09:24.32 | VIad | still sad that we lost actioncam because some rtrds used /console then didn't know how to turn it off or delete the config.wtf file |
| 09:24.46 | Alram | well that might be back |
| 09:24.54 | Alram | they added those experimental options for a reason |
| 09:25.12 | nevcairiel | they said it would be back with some more fine tuning and an option in a future patch |
| 09:25.18 | mpstark | 7.1 ptr has it |
| 09:25.47 | VIad | I think it was just a panic move to try remove motion sickness from people by just turning off stuff that affected camera that people might have turned on |
| 09:25.51 | mpstark | At least, I think it does |
| 09:26.30 | nevcairiel | there is no UI option for it yet, anyway |
| 09:26.36 | nevcairiel | the only changes in 7.1 are removals |
| 09:26.57 | mpstark | any list of cvars for 7.1? cameradistancemovespeed is also gone lol |
| 09:27.20 | Alram | does cvarlist not work anymore |
| 09:27.35 | mpstark | I don't have the console on lol |
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| 09:29.10 | VIad | you can still override the camera api and create another type of camera behavior |
| 09:29.23 | mpstark | Yeah |
| 09:29.25 | VIad | as in speed adjustments based on speeds and min/max ranges and such |
| 09:29.33 | VIad | maybe something that is not linear :p |
| 09:29.53 | mpstark | I've got a libary that I'm working on that does that |
| 09:30.02 | VIad | think semlar has an addon too |
| 09:30.07 | mpstark | =O |
| 09:30.26 | Constie | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/advancedinterfaceoptions |
| 09:32.04 | VIad | I meant camera thing |
| 09:32.09 | VIad | not UI options :p |
| 09:32.39 | Constie | Oh, I meant for the list of cvars. |
| 09:34.10 | VIad | I gotta get off my lazy ass and do pathfinder stuff soon |
| 09:34.18 | VIad | I miss like some small areas in some of the zones :( |
| 09:35.58 | mfgmfg | VIad you have like until next year |
| 09:36.41 | VIad | ay |
| 09:36.41 | nevcairiel | well still gives you more mount speed if you finish the current chapter |
| 09:36.42 | VIad | yay |
| 09:37.37 | nevcairiel | although i dont know whats required to finish the suramar quest line, still two open sections and the first of them has a raid requirement in the nightmare now, will see what the one after that then wants |
| 09:38.27 | VIad | I am 60% rep with wardens, 96% 97% with the court and dreamweavers, guess today I'll ask for the wardens rep item :p |
| 09:38.30 | nevcairiel | i got everything else for pathfinder, sans like 500 rep with wardens, but that'll fix itself soon |
| 09:38.38 | VIad | I like kirin tor daily |
| 09:39.28 | modernist | hm i need to try out this new target scan thing |
| 09:39.31 | modernist | looks cool |
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| 09:39.40 | modernist | not sure how i missed that in the beta |
| 09:40.37 | VIad | aww nooo. I was thinking, hey, I'll add a tiny feature to my mount addon, so if I look down into the water while swimming, it will assume I want to mount my swimming mount |
| 09:40.42 | VIad | but camera angle is no more :'< |
| 09:41.11 | VIad | there there a way to detect when the character is facing down? like how you need to face down to go from land to water if you are waterwalking |
| 09:41.38 | mpstark | There was in wrath for the camera but they removed it |
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| 09:43.18 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:43.58 | VIad | hmm |
| 09:44.16 | VIad | you have the pitchlimit cvar, I wonder if desperate, if one could use that to track the angle |
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| 09:45.23 | VIad | like you can get mouse xy position on the ui, and you can adjust the pitchlimit accordingly to enforce, yet simulate free camera movement up and down at least, by adjusting it depending on how the xy pos changes for the mouse |
| 09:45.25 | VIad | or something |
| 09:45.52 | VIad | I use pitchlimit for long flights to fly straight forward :p or to make it possible to loop around and fly upside down |
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| 09:48.17 | VIad | tbh I just want to know when I make my character face down into the water :'( |
| 09:48.21 | mpstark | ugh the console has a line limit? |
| 09:48.28 | ls- | shiiii~, forgot to backup my ssh keys T_T dammit... |
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| 09:49.09 | mpstark | clear |
| 09:49.10 | VIad | ,_, |
| 09:53.28 | modernist | quick, what colour denotes work |
| 09:55.29 | modernist | i chose orange and im never asking you guys anything again |
| 09:57.02 | mpstark | ugh cvarlist doesn't work in the console because of the line limit, it only gives a handfull of them |
| 09:57.48 | Constie | Orange or yellow, I think, yeah. |
| 10:03.58 | Simca | TheDanW: literally on logging in to a character, I got this https://db.tt/cdiMPcLp |
| 10:04.42 | Simca | i was hopping between all my alts though |
| 10:04.54 | Simca | after having been on for a few hours |
| 10:05.10 | Simca | but no abnormal API usage or crazy amount of addons, just fairly basic stuff |
| 10:05.44 | nevcairiel | if you run canimogit, then thats a crazy addon by itself =p |
| 10:07.17 | Kalroth | yesyoucanmogit |
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| 10:37.58 | Simca | and another crash, only took 4 alts, ~30 minutes since last crash |
| 10:38.51 | VIad | I have to admit I login only one character 98% of the time :p |
| 10:38.59 | Simca | same |
| 10:39.10 | Simca | this is my monthly hop for expiring mail lol |
| 10:40.05 | Simca | i'm also cleaning all warlords mats to their proper bank toons (i have exactly 12 characters and each one's bank is something different) |
| 10:40.18 | Simca | and dropping all warlords quests, binding hearths to orgrimmar |
| 10:40.33 | Simca | so i never have to look at frostfire again because oh god please |
| 10:43.59 | VIad | I did one major cleanup when 7.0 hit |
| 10:44.11 | VIad | I haven't bothered to login on many alts since |
| 10:44.17 | Simca | I do use CanIMogIt, nevcairiel. hopefully that is a proper instigator for this issue so that they can figure out why item cache issues are crashing people. |
| 11:09.30 | LexSfX | so you know how there's unlimited-range target nameplate? is there unlimited-range focus nameplate available? |
| 11:15.34 | Stanzilla | Simca: it is canimogit |
| 11:15.43 | Stanzilla | it just loads bazillion items on load |
| 11:15.52 | Simca | good |
| 11:16.08 | Simca | if it is a reliable cause maybe they can fix this crash |
| 11:16.43 | Simca | because record eviction shouldn't fail no matter how many items you load |
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| 11:16.53 | Simca | that is the entire point |
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| 11:19.27 | LexSfX | hear hear, Simca! :) |
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| 11:20.14 | LexSfX | blaming an addon for a game crash is not productive, as it means that someone could write a obfuscated malicious addon that crashes people's games at key times |
| 11:20.27 | LexSfX | with the guise of a helpful addon, for say, pvp |
| 11:21.22 | Stanzilla | x FrameXML\AlertFrameSystems.lua:1004: SetPortraitToTexture(): Texture is not 64x64 pixels: FileData ID 1269441. |
| 11:21.24 | Stanzilla | lol |
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| 12:10.13 | VIad | LexSfX: I can consistently crash the client by trying to parse some tooltip code and it even buypasses the wow error program :p |
| 12:10.22 | VIad | basically a crash to desktop, quite fast and effective |
| 12:10.30 | LexSfX | yuck |
| 12:10.49 | LexSfX | someone could be really evil with that :/ |
| 12:10.52 | VIad | I tried to rashly rewrite the code but still crash so I cba it was just a test |
| 12:10.53 | Shockah|Work | ...how does that happen |
| 12:11.08 | VIad | tons of api you can use wrong, or widgets in this case, that can crash the game :p |
| 12:11.37 | bluspacecow | wow vlad |
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| 12:11.50 | LexSfX | i hav 244 addons and none of them crash my game |
| 12:11.52 | LexSfX | it's a miracle |
| 12:12.05 | bluspacecow | a xmas miracle! |
| 12:12.13 | LexSfX | have* |
| 12:12.25 | VIad | I could clean up the code to a minimal POC for all to use if they want to crash :p |
| 12:12.29 | bluspacecow | better to have 244 addons that use the UI properly |
| 12:12.37 | bluspacecow | then have 3 that don't |
| 12:12.39 | LexSfX | yeah VIad, submit test cases! |
| 12:12.49 | LexSfX | that would be very useful for Blizzard to fix the crashes |
| 12:12.54 | VIad | Logout = vladscrashfunc |
| 12:12.57 | LexSfX | an addon being able to crash the game is very bad |
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| 12:16.06 | bluspacecow | pfft they know |
| 12:21.23 | Torhal | crashes bluspacecow with a piñata. |
| 12:21.34 | bluspacecow | gasp! |
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| 12:30.50 | ls- | 4x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn 'ls_Toasts' tried to call the protected function 'CompactPartyFrameMember1:Show()'. this error is soooooo annoying T_T |
| 12:32.05 | ls- | it's sorta rare, like once a day, but still bugs me T_T |
| 12:33.21 | VIad | welcome to the compact frame taint |
| 12:33.41 | VIad | please take a seat with the rest of the addons |
| 12:34.36 | Shockah|Work | how can you even taint that with toasts |
| 12:34.41 | bluspacecow | is this NBC nightline for addons ? |
| 12:37.22 | VIad | I am sure others in here are far more qualified to explain in detail how everyone taints the compact unit frames |
| 12:37.57 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 12:38.02 | bluspacecow | so its pedobear for addons |
| 12:38.46 | LexSfX | ls-: list of your addons please? |
| 12:38.51 | LexSfX | i can't help much |
| 12:38.52 | ls- | Shockah|Work, iirc, by simply having in-game config :p |
| 12:38.53 | LexSfX | but i'm curious |
| 12:39.07 | Shockah|Work | that's... stupid |
| 12:39.14 | VIad | my short explanation is if you depend on anything blizzard, like the interface options, dropdown templates, you will get taint on the compact frames |
| 12:39.14 | LexSfX | i get that error a lot, and with ion |
| 12:39.53 | ls- | but that's true.. you can create EMPTY config panel in Interface-AddOns section, and you'll start getting this error :p |
| 12:40.14 | VIad | I am not sure how blizz thought it would work |
| 12:40.26 | VIad | especially the interface bit, since it is clearly for addons to use :p |
| 12:40.31 | nevcairiel | it works fine as long as you dont press the cancel button |
| 12:40.37 | VIad | ^ lol |
| 12:40.49 | LexSfX | can we hook that so the user effectively can't press the cancel button? :P |
| 12:40.52 | nevcairiel | but addon typically dont use cancel behavior anyway |
| 12:40.53 | VIad | can we disable the cancel button or hide it so users dont press it? :p |
| 12:40.55 | LexSfX | just remove the cancel button |
| 12:41.02 | VIad | if someone decided to push cancel |
| 12:41.05 | LexSfX | hugs VIad |
| 12:41.19 | ls- | it actually happens even w/o opening config :p |
| 12:41.52 | VIad | using certain templates can cause issues too |
| 12:42.10 | VIad | they call some api that might change frame things that blizz at some point need to be secure and not tainted, but now they are so stuff break |
| 12:42.52 | ls- | T_T yeah, I have a couple of dropdowns, so they might be another reason why I get it... |
| 12:42.53 | Torhal | VIad, LexSfX: If you DO hide the Cancel button, you'd better restore it when your options panel goes away or you're just stomping on other AddOns potentially. |
| 12:43.15 | nevcairiel | using UIDropDown is really going to screw you over =p |
| 12:43.36 | modernist | oh good, i just re-added mine today |
| 12:43.44 | LexSfX | Torhal: the user would be informed that they are stomping on those addons. also, addons that rely on a cancel button instead of immediately updating settings are very weird |
| 12:43.55 | LexSfX | those addons deserve to be stomped on |
| 12:43.58 | nevcairiel | just like StaticPopup |
| 12:44.03 | foxlit | LexSfX: boo. |
| 12:44.04 | Torhal | You're a very mean person. |
| 12:44.28 | ls- | nevcairiel: I used them both :D ahaha |
| 12:44.31 | ls- | use* |
| 12:44.32 | LexSfX | when i change a setting, i expect it to have been changed |
| 12:44.41 | foxlit | I actually implement the full immediate changes/cancel to undo stack. |
| 12:44.48 | foxlit | Now tell me why my addon deserves to be stomped on. |
| 12:44.57 | LexSfX | and if suddenly i have to close the window because someone is attacking me, i don't want the settings not to have been changed |
| 12:44.59 | nevcairiel | LexSfX: typically it does change right away, but when you press cancel it reverts back |
| 12:45.09 | LexSfX | what if i just did a full configuration of something and it just undid all my changes? |
| 12:45.10 | LexSfX | that would suck |
| 12:45.27 | nevcairiel | why would you press cancel if you want to keep your changes? |
| 12:45.32 | LexSfX | so that's why i don't like that sort of system in a video game |
| 12:45.34 | nevcairiel | note that closing does not cancel, only actually pressing cancel does |
| 12:45.36 | LexSfX | maybe it works in an OS |
| 12:45.37 | foxlit | It would suck equally much if you just messed up your configuration of something and had no way to get back to a safe state. |
| 12:45.38 | LexSfX | but this is WoW |
| 12:46.14 | LexSfX | nevcairiel: maybe cancel is the closest button and the user (me) doesn't expect that it would actually undo everything |
| 12:46.28 | nevcairiel | maybe you should grow a brain then! :D |
| 12:46.45 | modernist | i always thought it was insane that there was both a close & cancel button in panels |
| 12:46.46 | LexSfX | i'm not stupid for realizing that most addons don't use the cancel button |
| 12:46.56 | nevcairiel | most dont do it because lazy |
| 12:46.58 | modernist | alongside "okay" |
| 12:47.05 | LexSfX | mine don't do it because it's a bad idea |
| 12:47.06 | nevcairiel | not for any elaborate reasons |
| 12:47.16 | LexSfX | in a video game |
| 12:47.34 | LexSfX | nobody expects settings not to update immediately when they are changed |
| 12:47.47 | nevcairiel | i already told you that before: they do update instantly |
| 12:47.52 | nevcairiel | but if you press cancel, they revert back |
| 12:48.06 | LexSfX | oh, i meant permanently until manually changed back then |
| 12:48.22 | nevcairiel | why is having a way to back out of any changes made a bad thing |
| 12:48.26 | foxlit | look, what's most offensive about this is not that you couldn't be bothered to implement the expected interface |
| 12:48.29 | VIad | I think dropdowns are primary issue for compact to error taint |
| 12:48.29 | nevcairiel | some addons require rather complex changes |
| 12:48.44 | nevcairiel | having a way to revert the recent changes is not a bad thing |
| 12:48.53 | nevcairiel | users being silly and pressing it "accidentally" should just learn to deal |
| 12:49.01 | foxlit | but that you think breaking the functionality relied on by other addons is acceptable to fix a taint issue you haven't even fully comprehended. |
| 12:49.17 | LexSfX | foxlit: oh, i don't actually think that |
| 12:49.44 | foxlit | There's a much less invasive fix to this than "nobody can use the cancel button, ever", but screw that, we know best! |
| 12:50.12 | nevcairiel | there is an exit button in the main menu, should we remvoe it because someone might press it when they're looking for the close menu button? :) |
| 12:50.13 | modernist | thank god tukui has a link to github's homepage on its footer |
| 12:50.20 | modernist | i'd never have found it otherwise |
| 12:50.20 | VIad | I thought nevcairiel said just pressing the cancel button when you have added interface options panel, will taint something :p |
| 12:50.46 | nevcairiel | it depends, but the cancel button does some things that are more likely to spread taint then the ok button |
| 12:51.06 | bluspacecow | SSDs are expensive right guys ? Do you think they run the wow realm servers off VMs hosted on SSDs ? |
| 12:51.15 | VIad | in a scenario where cancel = 100% taint, one might as well hide it to avoid it right, that was what I meant earlier :p |
| 12:51.29 | VIad | sure your addon uses it, but it would still taint and break some blizz ui functionality |
| 12:51.35 | nevcairiel | bluspacecow: it depends how IO bound a server is |
| 12:51.41 | Fisker | likely the realms realm servers don't require a ton of IO |
| 12:51.44 | nevcairiel | without knowing how it works, its hard to answer =p |
| 12:52.03 | bluspacecow | just trying to figure out how long it takes to start a realm back up |
| 12:52.16 | Fisker | Though you could analyze that server that was put up for auction |
| 12:52.22 | nevcairiel | if it would only affect startup time, its likely not wroth it |
| 12:52.26 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 12:52.31 | bluspacecow | *auctions Fisker* |
| 12:52.38 | nevcairiel | Fisker: sure, but thats old hardware, so hard to judge for future generations |
| 12:52.50 | VIad | how I see it, there are multiple services running. you have the login servers, then you get to the realm servers, then you get to the world server when you enter, then even more servers :p |
| 12:53.00 | Fisker | yeah of course |
| 12:53.03 | VIad | chats are also on their separate servers |
| 12:53.16 | nevcairiel | and everything baked by the mother of all database systems |
| 12:53.19 | LexSfX | nevcairiel: are you referring to these lines? (in InterfaceOptionsFrameCancel_OnClick) |
| 12:53.19 | LexSfX | InterfaceOptionsFrame.gameRestart = nil; |
| 12:53.19 | LexSfX | InterfaceOptionsFrame.logout = nil; |
| 12:53.22 | bluspacecow | all hosted on VMs |
| 12:53.35 | VIad | I suspect a lot of use of RAM and not that much IO unless you HAVE to |
| 12:53.50 | VIad | for example the character counter "chars on realm" updates once every day maybe |
| 12:53.56 | nevcairiel | well of course, IO is always slow, no matter if SSD or not |
| 12:54.10 | nevcairiel | but high-end entirprise systems will likely use SSDs if IO is important these days |
| 12:54.13 | Fisker | I'm guessing there would be like a very rudimentary logging/audit system on the filesystem maybe |
| 12:54.17 | Andols | The auction house is alway down a bit after server shutdown so that one takes longer :p |
| 12:54.22 | bluspacecow | well poo. can't connect to my characters while the servers down for restarting |
| 12:54.29 | bluspacecow | on the companion app that is |
| 12:54.38 | Constie | What if everything is all hosted on just one computer, and Blizzard intentionally makes the game grindy and unfun to make fewer people play so they won't have to upgrade it? |
| 12:54.51 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 12:55.00 | bluspacecow | they actually gave stats on their computer systems |
| 12:55.02 | bluspacecow | once |
| 12:55.08 | LexSfX | that would be one powerhouse of a computer |
| 12:55.12 | bluspacecow | to bad it was at some games conference in 2007 |
| 12:55.22 | bluspacecow | so really old and sooooo out of date |
| 12:55.36 | Fisker | We know they had more than one server since they auctioned off their old servers |
| 12:56.24 | bluspacecow | http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25307 |
| 12:56.34 | nevcairiel | today its probably virtualized much so you couldnt even properly attribute one piece of hardware to one realm |
| 12:56.38 | nevcairiel | like they did for the auctions |
| 12:56.38 | bluspacecow | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/blizzard-reveals-full-scale-of-world-of-warcraft-operation |
| 12:57.25 | bluspacecow | have you seen this nev : |
| 12:57.26 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749096457 |
| 12:57.36 | Fisker | I assume it wouldn't be terrible expensive to host it all on flash storage anyway nevcairiel |
| 12:57.53 | nevcairiel | not sure what data it even n eeds |
| 12:57.57 | Fisker | But likely their actual I/O expensive stuff like the databases would be running off some pretty quick shit |
| 12:57.58 | nevcairiel | most will be from a central DBMS |
| 12:58.33 | Fisker | Yeah I'm thinking it would only have like logs, and at best like a on-disk cache, but that seems like a bad idea |
| 12:58.55 | VIad | I hope they host their own servers, cheaper than to rent VM space lol |
| 12:59.37 | nevcairiel | if you need hundreds, if not thousands, of servers, you roll your own operation |
| 12:59.44 | nevcairiel | or at least pay someone to roll it for you |
| 13:00.00 | bluspacecow | they have a global network operations team for that :) |
| 13:00.34 | nevcairiel | i wonder if they fixed ipv6 from europe yet, or if it still routes through north america |
| 13:00.43 | bluspacecow | dunno |
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| 13:04.22 | Semlar | what did you do to the servers |
| 13:04.36 | bluspacecow | <_< |
| 13:04.39 | Constie | It's a secret. |
| 13:04.39 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 13:04.42 | bluspacecow | noooooothing |
| 13:04.50 | bluspacecow | *hides big gulp split on servers* |
| 13:05.16 | Semlar | is this why i can't log in |
| 13:05.23 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 13:05.40 | bluspacecow | australian realm servers were having issues. so they're scheduling restarts for those |
| 13:05.54 | bluspacecow | on top of a scheduled restart for friday maintainance |
| 13:06.00 | bluspacecow | when they're up is anyones guess |
| 13:06.45 | bluspacecow | for now .... |
| 13:06.48 | bluspacecow | do this |
| 13:06.49 | bluspacecow | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc |
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| 13:11.47 | Stanzilla | no, that was me |
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| 13:19.41 | bluspacecow | aaaaaaaaaannnnnnddddd |
| 13:19.46 | bluspacecow | heres Ressy with the weather |
| 13:19.49 | bluspacecow | j/k |
| 13:19.57 | bluspacecow | companion app is telling me Muradin is back up |
| 13:22.21 | bluspacecow | do mages still have an iceblock heal ? |
| 13:23.31 | Shockah|Work | i think it's talented now |
| 13:26.47 | foxlit | the last time I remember playing a mage, evocation healed and had like a 60 second cooldown. |
| 13:27.12 | foxlit | (clearly not legion) |
| 13:28.06 | modernist | ice block heals with a talent at 30 (?), blink heals for 5secs on use with a talent(45 (?)) |
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| 13:37.10 | Semlar | do you suppose the gear from emissary bags is supposed to scale or always be like 810 |
| 13:38.07 | VIad | I suspect it's supposed to be ballsack |
| 13:38.18 | VIad | or only viable for those that are sub 810 like just dunged |
| 13:38.23 | VIad | dinged* to get them to do WQ :p |
| 13:42.22 | VIad | anyone using dvorak layout? |
| 13:42.40 | LexSfX | i am |
| 13:42.47 | VIad | jesus christ how are you alive? |
| 13:42.50 | LexSfX | lol |
| 13:42.55 | LexSfX | i've been using it since 2006 |
| 13:43.13 | LexSfX | it feels nice :) |
| 13:43.43 | LexSfX | plus, i was not a touch typist before switching to it, so switching to it helped me in more ways than just ergonomics |
| 13:43.58 | VIad | what if you borrow someone elses pc? |
| 13:44.12 | LexSfX | i can still type on qwerty at a workable rate |
| 13:44.13 | VIad | you suddenly type like an infant? |
| 13:44.30 | LexSfX | i typed reasonably fast before switching |
| 13:44.38 | VIad | my friend tried dvorak, tried to get used to it, was horrible he said :p issues with vim shortcuts and such |
| 13:44.56 | VIad | also dvorak is probably optimized for english since it is based on most used patterns and such |
| 13:44.58 | LexSfX | it's definitely not for everyone |
| 13:45.14 | LexSfX | my brother also switched to it in ~2007, so we both use it now |
| 13:45.28 | LexSfX | yes, it is definitely optimized for english |
| 13:46.36 | VIad | if you natively type german then probably not so optimized |
| 13:46.41 | LexSfX | yeah |
| 13:46.58 | LexSfX | though qwerty isn't optimized for anything |
| 13:47.05 | VIad | and thats kind of okay |
| 13:47.07 | LexSfX | it's purposely suboptimal |
| 13:47.16 | VIad | each language adds/removes/moves some letters |
| 13:47.20 | LexSfX | to prevent typewriter jams when typewriters sucked |
| 13:47.32 | VIad | even if you optimized, it would ideally be very different for each language |
| 13:49.01 | VIad | my æøå are on the right side |
| 13:49.15 | VIad | like in a cluster - probably not optimal, but to be fair not THAT often used :p |
| 13:55.00 | modernist | semlar: i think it was introduced specifically to address the issues people were having reaching 810 for heroics |
| 13:55.27 | modernist | oh wait vlad already said that |
| 13:55.31 | modernist | *presses snooze* |
| 13:58.41 | VIad | I had to remove shake to snooze, was too easy :p |
| 13:59.56 | Shockah|Work | modernist, that's stupid though |
| 14:00.04 | Shockah|Work | world quests themselves give you better loot |
| 14:02.33 | znf | We recommend consulting our support site ( https://eu.battle.net/support/en/ ) , the official forums ( http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/ ) and fansites such as Wowhead ( http://www.wowhead.com/ ) for immediate help. There are a lot of suggestions and hints on gameplay mechanics and features provided by us and the community. |
| 14:02.35 | znf | wow, thanks blizzard |
| 14:02.50 | znf | how is the community going to help me when I didn't get a piece of loot from world quests due to a bug with your Prestige system? |
| 14:03.10 | LexSfX | they'll cheer you up |
| 14:03.13 | LexSfX | and make you laugh |
| 14:03.25 | Thunder_Child | Or knowing people, more like point and laugh. |
| 14:03.35 | nevcairiel | stop being an entitled prick, they are not going to give you something retroactively, just be happy they fixed the bug |
| 14:03.43 | znf | this cache issue is annoying as fuck |
| 14:03.48 | Shockah|Work | i just usually find a similar ticket topic that actually lets me write a ticket |
| 14:03.55 | Shockah|Work | or lets me instant chat |
| 14:04.05 | znf | that was the reply to a ticket |
| 14:04.08 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 14:04.11 | Shockah|Work | okay |
| 14:04.11 | znf | 2 days later anyway |
| 14:05.13 | znf | the ticketing system is weird |
| 14:05.19 | znf | if it can open it in the in-game browser |
| 14:05.27 | znf | why does it ask me to open up a new external browser? |
| 14:05.37 | modernist | i got one of those when i asked about getting 97 copper as a reward from the withered scenario |
| 14:06.22 | znf | I really dislike canned replies |
| 14:06.39 | znf | I know it's was a bug, why doesn't their support people know that? |
| 14:06.46 | znf | (I didn't know it was a bug when I made the ticket, though) |
| 14:07.13 | modernist | haha, yeah i think i'd prefer if they just said "its a bug, sorry!" |
| 14:07.20 | LexSfX | "it is was" |
| 14:07.28 | modernist | but i also know that the average ticketer has a stick up their ass |
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| 14:08.55 | znf | On another note, why aren't the priest target dummies at 35% HP? :-| |
| 14:09.07 | znf | or at least one of them anyway |
| 14:09.28 | nevcairiel | because they never are |
| 14:09.52 | nevcairiel | most of the fight happens at >35% anyway, so its a better choice =p |
| 14:11.11 | znf | We don't need the dummies at 100% for dps practice |
| 14:11.15 | znf | We need it for rotation practices |
| 14:13.29 | znf | I mean, personally, as Shadow, I don't care how much DPS I do on a dummy in a non-raid situation. I just need the practice to stay in Void Form as much as I can |
| 14:13.52 | nevcairiel | with the absence of raid buffs, dummy dps is probably closer to real then ever |
| 14:14.00 | nevcairiel | sans disruptions due to fight mechanics, of course |
| 14:14.16 | modernist | why am i getting "script ran on too long" from function() securecall(ToggleAchievementFrame) end |
| 14:25.57 | LexSfX | the achievement frame is brutal |
| 14:30.13 | Stanzilla | did you try to do that in combat? |
| 14:30.40 | nevcairiel | also using securecall from any addon code is just pointless :D |
| 14:32.20 | znf | Stanzilla, Twintop is saying that if you're using LotV, you should wait until 85 Insanity, because that's apparently higher DPS |
| 14:32.23 | znf | How the fuck does that make sense? |
| 14:32.37 | Stanzilla | you start higher |
| 14:32.42 | Stanzilla | => you can stay in longer |
| 14:32.58 | nevcairiel | why would that talent make sense at all then, anyway |
| 14:33.00 | znf | But you always reach the cap, regardless? |
| 14:33.22 | Stanzilla | what do you mean |
| 14:33.44 | znf | Abilities almost always put you at ~100 Insanity while in voidform, especially at the start when the drain is low |
| 14:34.00 | znf | Or am I doing it wrong? |
| 14:34.53 | Stanzilla | well usually the first thing you cast after eruption is MB |
| 14:35.01 | Stanzilla | and that does not cap you |
| 14:35.08 | Stanzilla | then you VB, which should cap |
| 14:35.17 | Stanzilla | so dunno |
| 14:35.55 | znf | That's my impression, too |
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| 14:36.32 | znf | which is why I can't understand that specific line - if you activate at 70, it's kind of the same thing |
| 14:36.53 | nevcairiel | maybe 85 is the sweet spot where you just end up on 100 after VB |
| 14:37.22 | nevcairiel | do you actually cap at 70? does it happen to just have 15 more room? :d |
| 14:37.31 | znf | nevcairiel, no, you cap at 100 |
| 14:37.38 | nevcairiel | try to keep up |
| 14:37.42 | nevcairiel | do you cap when you start at 70 |
| 14:37.51 | znf | yeah, you can |
| 14:38.00 | nevcairiel | are you doing it correctly when you do? |
| 14:38.01 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:38.21 | znf | also, he mentions that with S2M you should VB then pop dispersion and then VoiT, so prevent the drain stacks at the beggining |
| 14:39.02 | znf | ...which is also weird as hell, "I popped my DPS semi-cooldown, better disperse and do nothing for the next 6 seconds" |
| 14:39.25 | nevcairiel | does dispersion stop the drain? |
| 14:39.29 | znf | yes |
| 14:39.55 | nevcairiel | maybe its supposed to get all your things off-cooldown or something |
| 14:40.18 | nevcairiel | do you already build up haste stacks while you disperse? |
| 14:40.21 | znf | yeah |
| 14:40.38 | nevcairiel | so its shifting more time into the stronger phase |
| 14:40.41 | nevcairiel | seems sensible |
| 14:40.42 | nevcairiel | even if weird |
| 14:40.49 | znf | the haste stacks keep going up, but we don't lose the insanity, and the drain stacks (those are hidden) don't go up either |
| 14:41.00 | znf | VoiT does the same, over 4 seconds |
| 14:42.14 | znf | I used to keep it for the end, when I knew I couldn't keep generating that much Insanity, and I used to stall for SWD charges |
| 14:42.36 | nevcairiel | well it seems better to use it early so you can get more haste |
| 14:42.51 | znf | ie: use last stack of SWD, do whatever I can to prolong the Void Form, then disperse for 6 seconds, wait for SWD charge |
| 14:42.56 | znf | yeah, it seems it's better |
| 14:42.59 | znf | still weird |
| 14:43.23 | znf | did EU just went down? I got d'c/d |
| 14:43.41 | nevcairiel | i'm still online |
| 14:44.10 | Seeker` | znf: it did that earlier to |
| 14:45.47 | Seeker` | znf: A load of people got DC'd on Aerie-Beard around 1pm |
| 14:46.09 | znf | it seems all my romanians got dc'd at the same time |
| 14:46.13 | znf | peering issue, I guess |
| 15:01.22 | Tentacle1 | Okay, what the hell is going on with the AH..? |
| 15:01.44 | Tentacle1 | Scan any AH section with "Usable items" toggled on. You will get around results 1-1850 on first page, and system will report 1850 results total. Clicking on next page (and so on) moves us to 51-1900 (1900), with still around 2k items per page... |
| 15:03.42 | Tentacle1 | Is the dreaded 2k limit on item cache rearing its head? |
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| 15:49.33 | znf | Stanzilla, they need to make up their mind about Psyfiend |
| 15:49.47 | znf | one day they nerf it, the other day works fine, then they nerf it again, works fine again |
| 15:49.48 | znf | ??! |
| 15:50.29 | Stanzilla | that is called a bug |
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| 15:53.19 | znf | is it supposed to work like I think it should on pve targets? |
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| 16:29.32 | mfgmfg | anyone noticing oddities with in-game guild news and the news feed on the armory site? skips a lot of days in between the newest and oldest available |
| 16:30.19 | nevcairiel | it forgets a bit during maintenance |
| 16:30.30 | nevcairiel | and this morning was apparently a small maintenance window again |
| 16:30.40 | nevcairiel | thats not new, has basically always done that too |
| 16:44.45 | TheDanW | Simca: we're looking into it, no additional info yet |
| 16:54.00 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 16:54.04 | bluspacecow | lol notepad+ |
| 16:54.15 | bluspacecow | y u search in .exe files |
| 16:56.04 | bluspacecow | BRB windows wants to update lol |
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| 17:02.13 | Andols | I can understand why you call that the Nope Zone |
| 17:02.43 | Thunder_Child | Battle.net voice chat....this is going to be interesting. |
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| 17:24.44 | Fisker | Hi Seerah and Unkle |
| 17:25.02 | Seerah | hihi |
| 17:32.11 | Bizkit | hey guys i am trying to create angled unit frames with an angled fill, i tried working with the SetTexCoord method but apparently it's logic eludes me |
| 17:32.30 | Bizkit | to clarify i am trying to create this ingame http://imgur.com/a/gGG72 |
| 17:33.25 | Bizkit | when i try to create that angle with SetTexCoord it warps the texture rather than cutting it off |
| 17:42.14 | Thunder_Child | Maybe it needs to be straight with a mask? |
| 17:44.49 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 17:46.14 | bluspacecow | or straight with a razor |
| 17:46.44 | Thunder_Child | or straight no chaser. |
| 17:51.26 | Unkle | Now you're talking, Thunder_Child |
| 17:52.06 | Bizkit | can you elaborate on that? |
| 17:52.54 | Guill | Unfortunately WoW doesn't support dynamic masks yet :( |
| 17:54.54 | Bizkit | so what can i do then? i know it can be done (realui does it) |
| 17:55.28 | Constie | I don't know the answer, but you do have RealUI's code available for looking at. |
| 17:55.41 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: Are you talking about the band or drinking? |
| 17:55.59 | Constie | Comedy option: create a separate statusbar frame for each row of pixels and update them separately. |
| 17:56.05 | Guill | Bizkit: Does realui use a solid color or tileable texture? The easiest way to do it would be to have a standard status bar with angled end-caps on both sides. |
| 17:56.33 | Guill | That wouldn't really work with the textures in your image though. |
| 17:56.52 | Bizkit | Guill: solid color i think |
| 17:57.11 | Bizkit | let me check |
| 17:58.08 | Bizkit | from what i have read about SetTexCoord it's supposed to work like a mask right? |
| 17:59.30 | Guill | Sort of. That's true when you're using a rectangular rect, but once you start trying to do something else that's no longer really the case. |
| 18:03.43 | Constie | I remembered a friend did that kind of thing one time, and apparently it's simple to do with Stuf, if that helps: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/643236-Post-Your-UI?p=35623679&viewfull=1#post35623679 |
| 18:06.16 | modernist | https://github.com/RealUI/RealUI/blob/b96f0755b160a32f232434430154b57f55815925/Interface/AddOns/nibRealUI/Core/AngleStatusBar.lua |
| 18:06.46 | modernist | only took 10 seconds looks, but seems like its done with lots of textures at pixel increments |
| 18:11.51 | Bizkit | well i am terrible at reading lua code |
| 18:12.26 | Bizkit | i miss my {} |
| 18:13.22 | Constie | Oh, huh. I wasn't expecting my comedy option (because it would be annoying to write) to actually be the way to go. |
| 18:13.45 | Constie | I guess that's not really that bad, though. |
| 18:14.50 | Thunder_Child | It could be worse. Column of pixles instead of rows. |
| 18:16.20 | Constie | One frame for each pixel. Each one has an OnUpdate script to check player health and set opacity accordingly. |
| 18:16.52 | Bizkit | so i would have to slice my texture into 100 parts? |
| 18:18.33 | Bizkit | wait no couldn't i just slice my texture into multiple horizontal 1px lines and then change the texcoords? |
| 18:18.53 | Constie | Sounds plausible. |
| 18:19.19 | Bizkit | now i wish i had thinner bars :D |
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| 18:23.46 | Bizkit | this would be easier if i could work with actual pixels and not this 0 to 1 scale |
| 18:27.18 | Unkle | Thunder_Child: Sorry, drinking. |
| 18:27.37 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: Was that a response, or why you didn't repond :p |
| 18:29.17 | Tentacle1 | I wonder if you could make a scrollframe, turn it 45', then turn its contents -45'... :> |
| 18:31.23 | Unkle | Thunder_Child: Both. |
| 18:32.38 | znf | Someone needs to make an addon to auto-party on world quests |
| 18:33.41 | znf | ie: everyone has that installed, when you're in an WQ area with someone else in the same area, running the same addon, you form a party with them |
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| 18:39.54 | bshelden | There are enough sharding 'surprises' I wouldn't want to touch that with a 20' pole. |
| 18:44.28 | Unkle | Yeah, auto-grouping sounds like a nice idea, but ... who is lead? do you get auto-de-grouped after quest completion? How to prevent someone using the addon just to leech off your work by just standing about in world quest area and letting the addon group them for credit? just ... ugh. All to save you having to ask strangers to group. |
| 18:44.44 | znf | 1) whocares? |
| 18:44.45 | znf | 2) yes |
| 18:44.57 | znf | 3) who cares |
| 18:45.42 | Unkle | Then it looks like you have a project. |
| 18:46.59 | znf | it would require addon communication stuff |
| 18:47.08 | znf | unfortunately I don't have the skills to code that |
| 18:47.15 | Seerah | re. #3 - a reason why I would not use the addon |
| 18:47.23 | Seerah | so... me |
| 18:48.52 | znf | You have to do the quest regardless, it's not like you need to put in extra-work if you're grouped with a leecher |
| 18:49.37 | modernist | there's usually constant 5-10 man sized groups for larger-scale world qs anyway right? |
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| 18:49.50 | Unkle | No, but I'm irritated by them, and the gathering problems they present (can't mine/skin something until they've looted it). |
| 18:50.05 | modernist | and im sure ive seen some tagged with a description where the group listing has been auto-generated |
| 18:50.53 | znf | never seen that |
| 18:50.59 | bshelden | I tend to just AoE on to packs pulled. Why group? |
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| 18:51.10 | bshelden | I also loot, because those who don't for gatherable mobs are the worst |
| 18:51.23 | Unkle | bshelden: THE WORST. |
| 18:51.34 | bshelden | Super easy way to troll the gathering quests. AoE them, simply don't loot. |
| 18:51.44 | Unkle | Especially considering how much felslate I need. |
| 18:51.54 | znf | Unkle, grouping or not, you would have the same issue |
| 18:52.04 | bshelden | I'd bug blizzard about that, but I'm alergic to the forums. I break out in angry when I get near them. |
| 18:52.11 | znf | if someone tags your mob, you can't skin it either way |
| 18:52.14 | Unkle | znf: No, because mobs I killed wouldn't be tagged by the leech. |
| 18:52.31 | znf | How so? |
| 18:52.48 | znf | I always tag other people's mobs if they're in combat with them and I need quest credit |
| 18:53.34 | Unkle | I don't see that happening as much where I am. People tagging stuff are usually looting. Pure leeches would just stand around and get quest credit while doing nothing. |
| 19:00.52 | Fisker | I just wait until the last possible moment then I click my ability |
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| 19:02.56 | Fisker | Hey kd3 |
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| 19:20.43 | Gnarfoz | TheDanW: https://haste.smb.wtf/enuruqedotetugofolupezekudejeh.lua :o |
| 19:35.39 | TheDanW | Gnarfoz: how'd you get that? |
| 19:35.50 | Stanzilla | world quest in thunder totem for me |
| 19:36.31 | TheDanW | the one where you defend it from attackers? |
| 19:37.05 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:39.40 | Gnarfoz | TheDanW: the one where I had to turn in 40 fish for me |
| 19:39.46 | Gnarfoz | but also in Thunder Totem |
| 19:39.56 | znf | BAH |
| 19:40.02 | Thunder_Child | Humbug |
| 19:40.03 | TheDanW | what reward did you get from it? |
| 19:40.04 | znf | how the hell do you reach the last boss in the withered scenario |
| 19:40.11 | TheDanW | very carefully |
| 19:40.24 | znf | as a clothie |
| 19:40.31 | znf | that gets dazed |
| 19:40.38 | znf | and can't really heal much |
| 19:41.54 | Simca | get bersekers |
| 19:42.07 | Simca | they can tank for you |
| 19:42.37 | Gnarfoz | TheDanW: this http://www.wowhead.com/quest=41240/work-order-highmountain-salmon#comments rewards a toenail http://www.wowhead.com/item=133701/skrog-toenail |
| 19:44.41 | znf | Simca, I usually lose them @ elfbreaker |
| 19:45.06 | znf | Gnarfoz, that worked for me just fine, no lua error |
| 19:45.21 | Gnarfoz | well, Stanzilla had it on a different one, too |
| 19:45.36 | Simca | i can just pull it by ID rq |
| 19:45.47 | Stanzilla | might have been another one |
| 19:45.50 | Stanzilla | but it has the file id |
| 19:45.52 | Stanzilla | so you can just look |
| 19:45.54 | Simca | uh, huh |
| 19:45.55 | Simca | Interface\Icons\Ability_Rogue_RollTheBones03.BLP |
| 19:49.58 | Simca | item 133701 uses filedataID 1269441 as an icon |
| 19:50.02 | Simca | so, yeah, it's the toenail |
| 19:50.43 | TheDanW | yeah, thats 256x256 for some reason |
| 19:51.32 | Stanzilla | damn artist rebels |
| 19:53.39 | TheDanW | not sure why we limit it to 64x64 anyway |
| 19:55.48 | Alram | wouldnt want people seeing the art |
| 20:10.08 | Simca | yeah, i can replicate that item cache eviction crash, using CanIMogIt and logging into multiple characters |
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| 20:12.57 | Andols | znf: This appeared a few days ago https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/worldquestgroupfinder looks like it's what you want :) |
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| 20:15.55 | znf | too complex, not automated |
| 20:16.01 | znf | I want a fire-and-forget |
| 20:16.07 | znf | else I can just do the same shit manually |
| 20:22.14 | modernist | class hall is making me think maybe its finally time to stop using ForceGossip() |
| 20:25.05 | modernist | http://i.imgur.com/Sr24IR2.jpg |
| 20:25.21 | modernist | some high quality conversation |
| 20:31.40 | Andols | znf: Tried it. When you enter a world quest area you get a StaticPopup with a question if you want it to look for a group and autoqueue |
| 20:31.53 | Andols | That seems pretty automatic for me :P |
| 20:33.54 | Stanzilla | I use that mod |
| 20:33.57 | Stanzilla | it's pretty cool |
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| 21:02.49 | znf | dear fuck |
| 21:02.53 | znf | why don't people interrupt in dungeons |
| 21:02.54 | znf | just... why |
| 21:03.23 | Gnarfoz | wrath babbys |
| 21:03.59 | znf | I feel like the game itself doesn't teach you that |
| 21:10.44 | Unkle | If you do the class-tryout thing, or you boost a character they walk you through the basics. |
| 21:11.05 | Andols | Stanzilla: It seems to taint :( |
| 21:11.20 | Gnarfoz | my UI has so many taint issues atm :D |
| 21:11.59 | Gnarfoz | mostly map, I think |
| 21:12.28 | Andols | Did they change anything because I did not get any taint messages before 7.0, yea map... |
| 21:13.30 | Stanzilla | Andols: everything that touches the worldmap/quests taints like crazy |
| 21:13.32 | Stanzilla | I blame TheDanW |
| 21:14.55 | Simca | yeah map has a lot of taint issues atm :( |
| 21:15.20 | Simca | seems mainly related to closing it? |
| 21:15.27 | Stanzilla | in combat, yes |
| 21:15.30 | Simca | at least, that's when it manifests for me |
| 21:15.47 | Stanzilla | anything that :Hide()s and combat |
| 21:16.12 | Andols | It want's to :ClearAllPoints() :SetPoint() and :Hide() |
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| 21:16.45 | Ssateneth | its self aware |
| 21:16.48 | Ssateneth | better kill it |
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| 21:26.45 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: is there an easy way to confirm I have all flight points in Broken Isles? |
| 21:28.15 | Stanzilla | do you have the one on broken shore |
| 21:28.19 | Stanzilla | and eye of aszhara |
| 21:28.21 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 21:33.55 | znf | WHAT THE FUCK B.NET |
| 21:33.56 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/oV36zl2.png |
| 21:34.04 | znf | it popped up |
| 21:34.06 | znf | during a boss fight |
| 21:35.29 | Gnarfoz | as if the bnet app knows if you're in a boss fight ^^ |
| 21:42.10 | znf | how about "do not pop up when I'm in a game"? |
| 21:48.39 | mfgmfg | znf, i think it just broke b.net haha |
| 21:50.24 | znf | oh my god |
| 21:50.28 | znf | the quality of the stream on facebook |
| 21:51.16 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/cjuoLtZ.png + http://pastebin.com/raw/pF9kQxuU on live, no addons enabled |
| 21:51.36 | mfgmfg | was looking at broken isles pathfinder part 1, then clicked on 'broken isles diplomat' |
| 21:52.16 | mfgmfg | works ok on PTR but achievements are slightly different on my copy there |
| 21:56.14 | foxlit | circus: pvp matchmaker assigned healer role, can't swap specializations during preparation. |
| 21:56.33 | foxlit | guess it doesn't actually care. |
| 21:56.51 | foxlit | but then why block respeccing? |
| 21:58.45 | znf | you should be ported in healing spec already |
| 21:59.03 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure it respecced me to feral |
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| 22:01.43 | znf | that's an issue, then :D |
| 22:02.45 | Semlar | i like how you can swap talents when you enter an arena and it resets them when you leave |
| 22:02.57 | znf | BGs don't do that, sadly :( |
| 22:03.01 | Semlar | dungeons don't either |
| 22:03.21 | znf | yeah |
| 22:03.22 | znf | sucks |
| 22:03.24 | Semlar | so basically i go into a dungeon, switch to my group spec, and then don't have a pet any more when i leave |
| 22:05.03 | Semlar | and tomes are expensive enough that i don't particularly want to use one every time i do a random dungeon |
| 22:05.53 | Semlar | if i'm out questing when a queue pops i'll just stay in my solo spec for it |
| 22:06.41 | Semlar | it doesn't really make that much of a difference, it's just not optimal |
| 22:08.33 | Semlar | i guess what i could do is put some points into my BM artifact and solo with that and swap specs |
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| 22:13.45 | foxlit | just teleport to moonglade and change talents there. |
| 22:18.20 | Gnarfoz | someone just asked if this channel here is on Discord :| |
| 22:19.15 | Thunder_Child | There was someone that asked to move this to discord. |
| 22:19.27 | Gnarfoz | did we tar and feather them? |
| 22:19.29 | znf | I feel like they should shard Dalaran less :-/ |
| 22:19.59 | Stanzilla | I want to shard you |
| 22:20.11 | znf | there's not many people per shard :( |
| 22:20.17 | znf | feels a bit dead-ish |
| 22:25.43 | Ssateneth | omg my wow crashed during withered army scenario |
| 22:25.49 | Ssateneth | but it wasnt a full on crash |
| 22:25.52 | Ssateneth | it just ... froze |
| 22:26.01 | Ssateneth | quickly opened a new wow64.exe and logged in fast |
| 22:26.01 | znf | TheDanW, if you try to change just the icon of an equipment save, but don't change the name, it doesn't save |
| 22:26.04 | Ssateneth | and i wasnt booted out |
| 22:26.09 | Ssateneth | miracle |
| 22:26.30 | Ssateneth | 48 withered left, time to pick up treasures |
| 22:26.55 | znf | I'm out of treasures to get :( |
| 22:27.01 | znf | only the last one, Phylis or what's the spiders name |
| 22:27.05 | znf | but I can't ever reach that |
| 22:27.06 | Ssateneth | also, feels like small treasure spawn in like herb nodes |
| 22:27.11 | Ssateneth | you pick some small treasures |
| 22:27.16 | Ssateneth | then they respawn elsewhere |
| 22:27.43 | Ssateneth | i cleared the entire place (dro is an ass as usual) except for the giant voidlord |
| 22:27.47 | znf | oh, actually |
| 22:27.50 | Ssateneth | cuz im afraid he'll explode and 1 shot entire army |
| 22:28.03 | znf | it seems that 99% of the time, you can't change the icon on an equipment set |
| 22:29.08 | znf | well, I broke it http://i.imgur.com/ujbk9tc.png |
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| 22:32.36 | znf | TheDanW, Guill: https://gfycat.com/GrouchyRecklessHeterodontosaurus |
| 22:32.42 | Stanzilla | get in line |
| 22:32.43 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54305 |
| 22:32.54 | Stanzilla | post your info there |
| 22:32.59 | Stanzilla | and it is not fixed in 7.1 yet btw |
| 22:33.59 | znf | *shrug* |
| 22:34.15 | znf | the items I have equipped/inventory work though |
| 22:34.23 | znf | as do very old icons |
| 22:34.29 | Stanzilla | read the thread |
| 22:34.34 | Stanzilla | you probably use an icon replacement pack |
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| 22:35.25 | Ssateneth | Is there a macro that tells me what chests i've collected or which ones im missing |
| 22:35.28 | znf | ofc I use |
| 22:35.52 | znf | the art team hasn't bothered updating the icons since 1995 |
| 22:36.04 | Stanzilla | then read the long and good investigation Ketho wrote |
| 22:36.30 | TheDanW | it's on the list |
| 22:36.46 | znf | Stanzilla, is there a fix? yes/no |
| 22:36.50 | znf | no? tl;dr |
| 22:36.51 | znf | ! |
| 22:36.52 | Stanzilla | no |
| 22:37.03 | Stanzilla | why do you never read shit |
| 22:37.27 | znf | I don't really care WHY it's broken. I care that it's broken :) |
| 22:37.29 | Ssateneth | score 596 with 49 remaining withered |
| 22:37.37 | Ssateneth | skipped the voidlord |
| 22:37.42 | Ssateneth | but got the tyreasure behind him |
| 22:37.48 | znf | Ssateneth, you can stop at 425 |
| 22:38.02 | Ssateneth | i went around looking for small chests |
| 22:38.08 | Ssateneth | and any larger chests i missed |
| 22:38.41 | znf | I wonder why the 32bit client is so crappy performin |
| 22:38.42 | znf | I wonder why the 32bit client is so crappy performing |
| 22:38.48 | Ssateneth | how does one 'stop' |
| 22:38.56 | Ssateneth | other than talk to the guy at the end or wipe your army |
| 22:38.57 | znf | I had a 32bit shortcut, for I have no idea what reasons, opened it yesterday |
| 22:38.57 | znf | dear god |
| 22:39.05 | znf | half my FPS for some reasons |
| 22:40.25 | znf | The perks of being on a high-pop realm: http://i.imgur.com/0jRr21y.png |
| 22:40.27 | znf | not even 20 seconds |
| 22:42.10 | fewyn | mmmm iphone 7 |
| 22:45.11 | mckenziemc | i think i'd prefer the few hundred dollars of non-debt |
| 22:45.34 | mckenziemc | so i'm not really concerned about my lack of choice |
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| 23:05.36 | Ketho | it's nice to have thousands of icons, don't know any other game with that much |
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| 23:10.46 | fewyn | holy shit i love the raise to wake feature in the new ios with my new iphone |
| 23:11.29 | Stanzilla | yeah I love to use that on my nexus 5 from 2013, too |
| 23:12.20 | fewyn | shhh Stanzilla |
| 23:12.26 | fewyn | don't ruin this for me |
| 23:12.43 | Stanzilla | your just spend 1k on a metal brick, I think it's already ruined :D |
| 23:13.28 | fewyn | since when did i spend 1000$? |
| 23:13.57 | fewyn | i spent like 650$ |
| 23:14.02 | fewyn | that's before trade in |
| 23:14.11 | fewyn | i really am only paying about 300$ |
| 23:15.11 | Stanzilla | just joking anyway .D |
| 23:19.59 | mckenziemc | your old phone still had value, and you don't have it anymore #OpportunityCostNazi |
| 23:22.55 | znf | this fishing artifact is really eluding me |
| 23:23.01 | znf | I need 2 more fishes from the ocean |
| 23:23.07 | znf | I can't seem to be able to catch them |
| 23:23.18 | znf | though I fished the other 1 at least 5 times now |
| 23:23.26 | znf | (there's 3 fishes per area) |
| 23:23.38 | nevcairiel | are you using the right lures? |
| 23:24.25 | znf | I'm not getting the lures... |
| 23:24.34 | nevcairiel | buy em on the ah |
| 23:24.43 | znf | I'm using the Arcane one to fish the lures |
| 23:24.52 | znf | I don't want to pay 5000g for a lure :-| |
| 23:25.00 | znf | CRAP |
| 23:25.11 | znf | I had a bowl full of pistachio shells |
| 23:25.16 | znf | and I put down on the floor |
| 23:25.20 | znf | and I kicked it by accident |
| 23:25.24 | znf | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck |
| 23:31.40 | znf | mkay, got the Axefish |
| 23:31.46 | znf | 1 more, the ancient black barracuda |
| 23:37.42 | bshelden | Heh, last night I got something like 20 blubber, 5 axefish lures, and zero sharks |
| 23:37.49 | mfgmfg | znf isn't there a worldquest up for the axefish lure |
| 23:37.53 | mfgmfg | (message in a bottle) |
| 23:38.03 | bshelden | I went through 20 arcane lures and got a total of 3 rares. Two ocean, one Surri...crackheadplace |
| 23:38.17 | bshelden | RNG was not my friend |
| 23:39.02 | znf | It was the toenail for me |
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