| 00:00.58 | Thunder_Child | Ah, I was talking about player xp |
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| 00:37.20 | znf | who do I talk with if I don't want to do the scenario on an alt? |
| 00:39.40 | bshelden | The recruiter guy the initial quest sends you to |
| 00:39.59 | bshelden | You can turn in the quest or tell him "I've heard this story before". The second option just plonks you down in Dalaran. |
| 00:40.12 | znf | BAAAAAAAH |
| 00:40.17 | znf | I already completed that |
| 00:40.20 | znf | fuck |
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| 00:44.07 | bshelden | Head back to him and see if the option's there. |
| 00:45.12 | znf | nah |
| 00:45.16 | znf | I already took the other quest |
| 01:10.57 | znf | It's always sad when I see Vol'jin die :-( |
| 01:16.33 | mckenziemc | stop killing him |
| 01:18.08 | znf | it's your fault, filthy alliance |
| 01:41.14 | karl_w_w | it's actually ridiculous how fast valve patches dota |
| 01:41.40 | karl_w_w | somebody started a reddit thread asking for a small UI change, and it was done 14 hours later |
| 01:41.51 | karl_w_w | and that's not an unusual thing to happen |
| 01:42.08 | mckenziemc | ridicules karl_w_w's combination of "actually" and "ridiculous" |
| 01:42.32 | karl_w_w | thanks mckenziemc and gives him actually ridiculous hugs |
| 01:42.50 | mckenziemc | dies. |
| 01:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | does the "Garrison Ability" Button do anything outside of draenor? |
| 01:49.59 | znf | nope |
| 01:52.47 | Thunder_Child | It takes up space. |
| 01:56.08 | LexSfX | is there an addon that keeps the old inspect behavior of not closing the window when targeting someone else, and just switching the inspection to the next person? |
| 01:56.37 | LexSfX | the new behavior which has been around for so long now has always bugged me |
| 02:01.40 | LexSfX | looks like there is: https://www.wowace.com/addons/inspectfix/ |
| 02:01.41 | LexSfX | sweet! :) |
| 02:04.15 | znf | huh |
| 02:04.23 | znf | my router auto-updates it's firmware |
| 02:04.38 | LexSfX | "it is firmware" |
| 02:05.11 | LexSfX | znf: that sounds bad! is it your ISP's router technically? |
| 02:05.35 | znf | nope |
| 02:05.47 | LexSfX | oh, good; no backdoor there then |
| 02:07.39 | znf | I got myself a Xiaomi router a while ago, just to see how it goes |
| 02:07.40 | znf | it's not bad |
| 02:07.48 | znf | but this auto-upgrade was weird |
| 02:09.03 | LexSfX | i run Tomato (Shibby Mod) on my router |
| 02:09.11 | LexSfX | very nice piece of software |
| 02:09.46 | LexSfX | router would randomly crash/reboot on its own with stock (and even latest vendor) firmware, but not with Tomato |
| 02:10.13 | LexSfX | i've had a >12 month uptime with it before |
| 02:10.43 | Mr_Rabies | isn't tomato like, way, way out of date now? |
| 02:10.56 | LexSfX | Mr_Rabies: Shibby Mod is constantly developed |
| 02:11.06 | LexSfX | it's a fork |
| 02:11.10 | Corrodias | i have to stick with stock on mine because it has a hardware-backed NAT table that's super fast and doesn't have the CPU power to do it in software without slowing down considerably |
| 02:11.29 | Corrodias | i guess that doesn't mean i -have- to stick with it, but |
| 02:13.43 | LexSfX | ... but ... (still waiting) |
| 02:17.09 | Corrodias | i do anyway |
| 02:18.19 | LexSfX | are you sure there's no custom firmware that can take full advantage of your model's hardware? |
| 02:20.19 | Corrodias | there wasn't at the time i got it. maybe now. that was about a year ago. |
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| 02:29.33 | Freddie | I'm running openwrt on mine, quite happy with that |
| 02:35.27 | Corrodias | my ol' wrt54g has dd-wrt |
| 02:35.57 | Corrodias | it still serves as the router on the secondary internet line solely for a couple of computers, because it can't handle the load of any more systems than that :P |
| 02:35.58 | LexSfX | dd-wrt had extreme instability issues for me. i gave it a year and a half of tries with new versions |
| 02:36.24 | LexSfX | but ultimately, it couldn't maintain a reliable uptime; crashes galore |
| 02:36.46 | Corrodias | that's a pity. always a scary risk with unknown operating systems. |
| 02:36.51 | Freddie | huh, weird :\ |
| 02:42.24 | Arrowmaster | i could never stand dd-wrt |
| 02:42.29 | Arrowmaster | was always unstable |
| 02:44.45 | Arrowmaster | so i put tomato on my wrt54gl and used that up until a few months ago when i put tomato on my ac-rt68u |
| 02:45.02 | Arrowmaster | rt-ac68u |
| 03:01.43 | karl_w_w | new rocket league mode is silly fun |
| 03:11.54 | mckenziemc | don't be silly |
| 03:13.55 | LexSfX | argh, can't get decent fps in some parts of suramar despite only having 15% CPU usage and 4% GPU usage |
| 03:14.03 | LexSfX | can WoW PLEASE use my full hardware? |
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| 03:54.24 | mfgmfg | artifact relics need subcategory filters on the AH |
| 03:57.10 | Torhal | Ok, I need to uninstall the Legion Companion App from my phone. |
| 03:57.44 | Torhal | My phone made the "You have a mission that's complete!" sound, so without thinking, I grabbed it to check. |
| 03:58.06 | Torhal | "Your character is already logged on." at which point the WoW client disconnected me. |
| 03:58.07 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:58.13 | mckenziemc | your life is complete now, Torhal |
| 03:58.19 | Thunder_Child | App > Torhal. |
| 03:58.21 | Torhal | spiders mckenziemc in the head. |
| 03:58.51 | Thunder_Child | I wish it gave a visual notification as well since I keep sounds like that off. |
| 03:59.15 | mckenziemc | they tend to jump off unexpectedly |
| 04:00.04 | mckenziemc | i once had one wash itself down the sink drain that way while i was combing my hair :( |
| 04:00.13 | Freddie | I wish it wasn't slow as balls to do anything with the app |
| 04:00.15 | Xuerian | The fact that it works through a (the) mock game connection sort of disturbs me, but I guess it doesn't surprise me. |
| 04:00.50 | Torhal | I just don't understand why it doesn't leave off with telling me I'm already connected, instead of forcibly disconnecting me (and still insisting I'm connected for up to a minute afterward) |
| 04:01.32 | Xuerian | That does seem like an easy way to improve the situation without really changing it, yeah |
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| 04:39.09 | Semlar | does the panda racial affect any food buffs that aren't straight stats |
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| 04:55.36 | mckenziemc | Getting Windows ready -> almost defenestration time |
| 04:55.58 | mckenziemc | are you prepared, Torhal? |
| 04:56.03 | Xuerian | The annoyance is greatly overrated. |
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| 04:56.20 | Torhal | stabs mckenziemc with Illidan. |
| 04:57.40 | mckenziemc | what did you think windows were for, Xuerian? |
| 04:58.32 | Xuerian | Your wording is stymieing snappy jokes |
| 05:01.22 | mckenziemc | i'm not sure how this computer (the desktop) reached 22:13:11:00 uptime though =/ |
| 05:03.27 | Xuerian | NOT ANYMORE HUEHEUHEUEHUEHEHFLSJHFLKWJELRJWLEjr |
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| 05:30.18 | fewyn | hrm |
| 05:30.20 | fewyn | 1.5 hrs |
| 05:30.24 | fewyn | until iphone preorder |
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| 05:32.36 | mckenziemc | hugs cairenn. |
| 05:32.43 | cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 06:39.27 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/utbVuG6.png this is hillarious |
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| 06:46.20 | mikma | fewyn: what is iiiiiiiiit? |
| 06:46.27 | fewyn | iphone 7 |
| 06:46.34 | fewyn | preorder |
| 06:46.36 | mikma | at&t gonna be more dick than before? |
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| 07:18.08 | VIad | I heard the iphone 7 has no audio jack LOL |
| 07:18.36 | VIad | like a car without a sound system I guess |
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| 07:23.43 | kd3 | hi from japan! |
| 07:23.48 | Phixion | o/ |
| 07:24.08 | Shockah|Work | VIad, tbh i didn't ever use my iPhone 6's jack anyway |
| 07:24.24 | karl_w_w | http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/cctv-footage-solves-perths-weirdest-parking-fine-disputeeven-more-weirdly-20160908-grc3wn.html |
| 07:24.24 | Shockah|Work | bluetooth headphones ftw |
| 07:24.28 | VIad | I am sure a lot of other more music oriented people do :p |
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| 07:24.47 | Shockah|Work | unless you play music games on your phone, i guess |
| 07:25.12 | Shockah|Work | i tried to, but the desync is too annoying |
| 07:26.13 | Phixion | so that's what cctv is good for karl_w_w |
| 07:26.33 | Phixion | feels enlightened |
| 07:27.19 | VIad | fact remains she did park outside the line |
| 07:27.45 | Phixion | nods |
| 07:27.47 | kd3 | funny how some services I'm logging into are going 'wtf? why are you in japan?' and others aren't... |
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| 07:27.57 | VIad | try login on wow now |
| 07:28.03 | VIad | and get insta suspended |
| 07:28.07 | Phixion | :D |
| 07:28.09 | VIad | because suspicious activity :d |
| 07:28.15 | VIad | then you gotta call blizz and shit |
| 07:28.30 | VIad | when my friend studied in japan for a half year, he logged on and got suspended like that |
| 07:28.39 | VIad | had to call in blizz to tell them to unblock his account again |
| 07:28.49 | kd3 | eh, I logged in using the legion app when I had a layover in hong kong, no issues |
| 07:28.50 | kd3 | not sure I'm going to risk actually logging in to the game... |
| 07:28.52 | VIad | it was weekend so nothing happened, he was salty after that |
| 07:28.54 | Phixion | over and over VIad ? |
| 07:28.57 | Phixion | or like 1 time |
| 07:29.06 | VIad | he was only there one half year so |
| 07:29.23 | VIad | he didn't play much at all, but when he wanted, he got that one suspension :p |
| 07:29.32 | Phixion | :) |
| 07:29.35 | VIad | think there was also something about blocking payments |
| 07:29.38 | fewyn | i preordered my iphone |
| 07:29.40 | fewyn | it's dun |
| 07:29.51 | Phixion | uhm |
| 07:29.55 | karl_w_w | you have my pity |
| 07:29.55 | Phixion | I feel sorry for you |
| 07:29.57 | VIad | I just remember he had to borrow my PC via teamviewer to pay for something from my connection :d |
| 07:30.02 | Andols | Whyyyy |
| 07:30.02 | VIad | ^ fewyn: I mourn your loss |
| 07:30.07 | VIad | no audio jack mate |
| 07:30.17 | VIad | gotta buy whole expensive new audio set and charger unit |
| 07:30.23 | VIad | probably $500 just for those accessories |
| 07:30.28 | VIad | throw the old once right into the trash |
| 07:30.35 | VIad | redo your car audio system to work with iphone7 |
| 07:30.35 | fewyn | or just use my bluetooth in my car? |
| 07:30.46 | VIad | it has to be apple approved bluetooth device |
| 07:30.51 | fewyn | no? |
| 07:30.51 | VIad | otherwise they probably block it |
| 07:30.53 | Constie | I feel like it might be reasonable to think that if it not having an audio jack were a problem for fewyn they wouldn't have preordered it. |
| 07:31.04 | VIad | its a step by step |
| 07:31.04 | Shockah|Work | [09:28:49] <kd3> not sure I'm going to risk actually logging in to the game... |
| 07:31.06 | fewyn | what Constie said |
| 07:31.11 | Shockah|Work | isn't that what the Legion companion app does anyway |
| 07:31.16 | VIad | iphone8 will not even use usb anymore |
| 07:31.23 | Shockah|Work | i keep seeing people go offline when they stop using the companion app |
| 07:31.39 | Shockah|Work | which suggests the app actually does sorta login into the game |
| 07:31.56 | Shockah|Work | but i never saw any going online messages though |
| 07:32.05 | VIad | I saw my friends appear with the remote icon next to their names in the guild roster |
| 07:32.13 | VIad | but only see them log off with a message |
| 07:32.52 | Constie | It does log you out, but maybe it doesn't count because it doesn't let you mail all your gold to a stranger or whatever. |
| 07:35.11 | VIad | it looks like the legion app is based on some armory app protocols |
| 07:35.20 | VIad | but armory app let me login if I am still logged in I think |
| 07:35.41 | VIad | I havent used it in a long time so a bit unsure, heard its not legion ready |
| 07:37.36 | VIad | I wish the app remembered that I ticked the "No sfx" option |
| 07:37.43 | VIad | each time it plays sounds when I launch it :p |
| 07:37.48 | Constie | That would be nice. |
| 07:38.48 | VIad | I wish the non porn youtubered was available in norway so I dont have to see ads anymore |
| 07:39.01 | VIad | like legit, and support people I watch content from more efficiently |
| 07:39.27 | VIad | or I at least hope youtubered is actually supporting those I watch .p |
| 07:43.12 | kd3 | (catching up on news) ugh, shit. just as I get here best korea tests another nuke. |
| 07:45.12 | VIad | you shouldn't have traveled with your real passport, kd3. now they now where you are. duck and cover time. |
| 07:45.21 | VIad | know* |
| 07:52.05 | ls- | damn, I still use iphone 5c T_T I break/damage it way too often :((( #justskaterthings |
| 07:52.52 | ls- | iphone 7 looks sweet, wanna buy pink one :D hahaha |
| 07:53.01 | Shockah|Work | [09:35:20] <VIad> but armory app let me login if I am still logged in I think |
| 07:53.10 | Shockah|Work | yes but you can barely do anything on the char you're logged on |
| 07:53.19 | Shockah|Work | you can do everything on other chars though |
| 07:54.08 | VIad | can chat :d |
| 07:54.30 | Shockah|Work | if only the app didn't suck for that |
| 07:54.32 | VIad | legion app should let me login on offline characters, not require me to logout from the whole account |
| 07:54.46 | Shockah|Work | the funny part about the companion app |
| 07:54.54 | Shockah|Work | is that it does log you out... but forcefully |
| 07:54.59 | Shockah|Work | so even after it does, you still can't use it |
| 07:55.00 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 07:55.21 | VIad | the app is no companion to my character, seing as he has to be offline for the app to be online :p |
| 07:55.26 | Shockah|Work | not sure what's the timeout, but it was much faster to log back in on actual WoW and logout and THEN open the app |
| 07:56.00 | Shockah|Work | also meh, wish they'd release actual API for guild chat |
| 07:56.12 | Shockah|Work | but that's never happening, is it |
| 07:56.20 | nevcairiel | no |
| 07:56.29 | nevcairiel | they'll never let you freely interact with something in-game |
| 07:56.39 | Shockah|Work | would allow you to "write"/"read" data to/from outside of the game |
| 07:58.10 | Shockah|Work | ...can still reverse engineer the Android Armory app protocol :S but i doubt it's a topic i should be bringing up here |
| 08:01.16 | VIad | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 08:01.25 | VIad | I am sure some chinese or russian already has |
| 08:01.34 | Shockah|Work | i even saw a github repo with that |
| 08:01.43 | Shockah|Work | and managed to chat via a C# app with my guildies |
| 08:01.53 | VIad | yeah |
| 08:01.53 | Shockah|Work | but it broke since |
| 08:02.50 | VIad | how do you create an app that is 100% not reverse engineerable? |
| 08:03.02 | Shockah|Work | you don't |
| 08:03.19 | VIad | in norway they have apps for everything. so in theory it would be easy to cheat. |
| 08:03.22 | Shockah|Work | if you want to make it harder you don't release it for Android |
| 08:03.39 | Shockah|Work | you can probably still reverse engineer the iOS version |
| 08:03.40 | VIad | for example transporation uses an app for your ticket, but you can probably hack the app and just make it show a fake active ticket when they check :/ |
| 08:03.42 | Shockah|Work | but it's much MUCH harder |
| 08:04.03 | nevcairiel | its not possible to prevent reverse engineering, but it is possible to protect the API from being used outside of the app, in theory |
| 08:04.26 | Shockah|Work | also reading the decompiled/disassembled code is just one way; another way is checking the packets it sends/receives |
| 08:04.37 | VIad | I guess if the app opens a browser page and all happens server side :p |
| 08:04.53 | VIad | and the client just displays information sent |
| 08:04.55 | VIad | received* |
| 08:05.07 | Shockah|Work | that's essentially even less secure |
| 08:05.30 | VIad | but you wouldn't be able to take the source code and read it :p |
| 08:05.33 | Shockah|Work | nevcairiel, how would you achieve that? |
| 08:06.31 | Shockah|Work | VIad, that's basically what all HTTP servers do |
| 08:06.45 | Shockah|Work | but you can still just... open the same page from your own thing, not the official app |
| 08:07.03 | Shockah|Work | as long as you could login into it on your app, you can do the same on a PC |
| 08:07.07 | VIad | right. but it would still be limited regardless what client you use :p |
| 08:07.24 | VIad | without having the ability to get insight to the inner workings |
| 08:07.27 | Shockah|Work | could hook JavaScript / macros |
| 08:07.37 | VIad | depends ofc how you do it |
| 08:08.31 | VIad | but yeah, apps that contain client code and protocols, can be reverse engineered. just maintenance if the app changes protocols in a update :p |
| 08:09.54 | Shockah|Work | but tbh i don't see what you could possibly do via a guild chat thing |
| 08:10.07 | VIad | at face value its just social |
| 08:10.10 | Shockah|Work | or whispers, since you can do these via the Armory app too |
| 08:10.17 | VIad | but you could probably use it as a data communication channel |
| 08:10.20 | Shockah|Work | i mean, with a custom app using the protocol |
| 08:10.22 | VIad | to feed data from the outside to addons |
| 08:10.24 | Shockah|Work | even if you could communicate |
| 08:10.28 | Shockah|Work | does that change much? |
| 08:10.44 | VIad | it could be abused to become like a network for addon communication with the outside |
| 08:10.50 | Shockah|Work | i can imagine you could check someone's armory in-game without alt+tabbing etc |
| 08:11.04 | Shockah|Work | but i have no idea what could you actually do that would give you an unfair advantage |
| 08:11.14 | VIad | probably not much |
| 08:11.31 | Shockah|Work | oh wait |
| 08:11.33 | VIad | maybe some ingame alerts when some stuff happen you shouldnt know about ingame without going somewhere to check :p like BMAH stuff |
| 08:11.41 | Shockah|Work | rotation bot |
| 08:11.59 | Shockah|Work | unless WoW can detect software-simulated keyboard presses |
| 08:12.04 | Shockah|Work | which it probably does |
| 08:12.10 | VIad | no |
| 08:12.15 | Shockah|Work | huh |
| 08:12.36 | VIad | if you simulate a keypress in the os the program accepts it as a hardware event |
| 08:12.50 | Shockah|Work | hmm\ |
| 08:12.55 | VIad | wow can't tell the difference. thats how the gaming software macro things work. |
| 08:12.59 | Shockah|Work | okay that's bad enough to not have actual API lol |
| 08:13.47 | Shockah|Work | just need a WoW addon + bot app running in background to have a rotation bot |
| 08:14.07 | VIad | ehm |
| 08:14.16 | VIad | you can probably do all that without the guild chat :/ |
| 08:14.36 | Shockah|Work | yes but easier to detect i guess? |
| 08:14.56 | Shockah|Work | anyway |
| 08:15.13 | Shockah|Work | i'm really not sure we should be talking about that |
| 08:16.25 | VIad | I dont really have much to offer on that anyway. I am not fan of coding things to autoplay the game for me, only addons to help play the game :p |
| 08:16.42 | Shockah|Work | i'm not either |
| 08:16.51 | VIad | like I made a quick napkin code for the puzzle world quests. when I enter the maze and can use WASD to draw on my screen grid the path I need to walk |
| 08:16.55 | Shockah|Work | but there are more people than us in here |
| 08:16.58 | VIad | then it tracks where I walk as I walk it :d |
| 08:16.59 | Shockah|Work | and B) the channel is logged |
| 08:17.04 | Shockah|Work | and C) a dev is here |
| 08:17.08 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 08:17.30 | VIad | to be fair this is old stuff anyways, not a new subject. and its more to do with wowui being official wow fan site that has to comply with some rules. |
| 08:17.36 | Shockah|Work | thanks for reminding me the Enigma world quest |
| 08:17.41 | Shockah|Work | it was great |
| 08:17.44 | VIad | just talking about it is probably in the grey, but if you start to post things its not okay. |
| 08:18.14 | Shockah|Work | i'll probably still reverse engineer the protocol one day, just for myself |
| 08:18.37 | Shockah|Work | already tried once but then i stopped having any free time to work on it before i finished it |
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| 08:44.28 | Semlar | is there some reason my disguise keeps getting dispelled randomly in suramar with absolutely nothing around me |
| 08:45.50 | Shockah|Work | i had that happen to me |
| 08:46.12 | VIad | in specific areas, Semlar? |
| 08:46.13 | Shockah|Work | my guess is... invisible enemies |
| 08:46.27 | Shockah|Work | i had that in the vineyard |
| 08:46.36 | Shockah|Work | but only yesterday, not 2 days ago |
| 08:46.39 | VIad | I only get that if I get in combat/spotted |
| 08:46.49 | Shockah|Work | yeah i'm pretty sure i was getting caught in combat |
| 08:46.58 | Shockah|Work | but there was nothing around me |
| 08:47.22 | Shockah|Work | had something similar happen in the Meowlkin quest thing in Suramar too |
| 08:47.35 | Shockah|Work | but in that case i saw dead bodies which i could still attack |
| 08:47.49 | Shockah|Work | and which would still put me in combat when i went near them without attacking |
| 08:48.12 | VIad | TheDanW: could we get an API like GetItemData(hyperlink|itemstring) to return the data GameTooltip uses to render itself, but in a table instead? would make it easier to read properties like ITEM_LEVEL or whatever the name of the attributes would be |
| 08:48.14 | Semlar | this is happening like every 2 minutes |
| 08:48.32 | Semlar | i just get put into combat, the disguise gets dispelled, and if anything happens to be around me it attacks |
| 08:48.39 | VIad | would practically eliminate tooltip scanning headaches |
| 08:48.57 | VIad | Semlar: thats odd. tried to relog? |
| 08:49.07 | VIad | might be some hidden quest flag thing triggering stuff on your character |
| 08:49.34 | Semlar | i'm getting put into combat with something but i don't know what and it's getting rid of my disguise |
| 08:49.44 | VIad | yeah. I dont have that luckily. |
| 08:49.49 | Semlar | i'm not actually being attacked, i just get put into combat |
| 08:49.56 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 08:50.11 | Semlar | if i weren't a hunter, this would probably be super annoying |
| 08:50.22 | VIad | I suspect it could be a hidden aura on you |
| 08:50.22 | Shockah|Work | it's annoying even as a hunter |
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| 08:50.25 | VIad | doing something |
| 08:50.32 | Shockah|Work | since it happens more often than i can use Feign Death |
| 08:50.33 | VIad | if you are both hunters :p |
| 08:50.41 | VIad | I dont have that as a D |
| 08:50.41 | VIad | DH |
| 08:51.12 | Semlar | it is very definitely only in specific areas |
| 08:51.27 | VIad | if you log the coords, I could test too |
| 08:51.27 | Semlar | it's like i'm aggroing something that's under the ground or something |
| 08:51.40 | VIad | can even scan the area with my vision :p |
| 08:51.54 | VIad | maybe there are hundreds of hidden bunnies underground |
| 08:52.38 | Shockah|Work | doubt there's much under the vineyard lol |
| 08:52.48 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.44 | Shockah|Work | with a name like that you had it coming |
| 08:53.45 | Shockah|Work | :P |
| 08:53.50 | Semlar | :( |
| 08:55.54 | ls- | Love the crab w/ knife :D |
| 08:56.06 | VIad | what tracking addon is that Semlar? |
| 08:56.08 | VIad | and is it good? |
| 08:56.13 | Semlar | what |
| 08:56.18 | VIad | quest watch |
| 08:56.19 | Shockah|Work | wait what, how did that knife happen there |
| 08:56.26 | VIad | its a toy |
| 08:56.29 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 08:56.37 | Shockah|Work | VIad, looks like Sorha's or something like that |
| 08:56.39 | Shockah|Work | can't remember the name |
| 08:56.44 | Semlar | yeah |
| 08:56.54 | Semlar | i'm not actually using it |
| 08:56.57 | VIad | what is you quest watch addon, and the tooltip text? :p |
| 08:57.03 | VIad | just want to look into their curse pages |
| 08:57.15 | Semlar | i need to just make my own quest watch things, this is getting ridiculous |
| 08:57.22 | ls- | yeah, I have it, but a crab w/ a knife is kinda badass :D |
| 08:57.35 | Semlar | literally all i want is a list of what quest objectives are nearby, sorted by proximity |
| 08:57.46 | Semlar | i don't need all this other crap on there |
| 08:58.01 | VIad | what about smart coallition of nearby objectives? like if there are some in cluster, some priority ration to go there first? |
| 08:58.23 | VIad | if you are 10 yards closer to one quest, than a cluster of 2 other quests that are nearby themselves |
| 08:58.51 | VIad | not to mention proximity based on whistle FP :( |
| 08:59.07 | Semlar | i don't care about any of that |
| 08:59.41 | Shockah|Work | oh btw. i hate how the whistle also includes the hunter-specific eagle flight points |
| 08:59.45 | VIad | :o |
| 08:59.58 | Semlar | i didn't pick up the eagle network |
| 09:00.04 | VIad | kek |
| 09:00.15 | Semlar | it's not connected to the regular flight paths |
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| 09:00.21 | Shockah|Work | whoops |
| 09:00.26 | Semlar | and you can't really access the points from anywhere except dalaran to take off |
| 09:00.36 | Shockah|Work | can you even do it from Dalaran |
| 09:00.42 | Shockah|Work | it always tells me it's not connected to any flight point |
| 09:00.44 | Semlar | i mean trueshot lodge |
| 09:00.47 | Shockah|Work | i have to go to my class hall |
| 09:00.49 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 09:01.09 | Shockah|Work | i'm getting rid of it after i'm done with all my other research |
| 09:01.26 | VIad | do hunters have a class hall TP spell? |
| 09:01.28 | Semlar | i kind of feel like it isn't something we should even have to "spec into" |
| 09:01.30 | Shockah|Work | sometimes it's pretty cool with a glider / Emerald Winds |
| 09:01.38 | Shockah|Work | but the whistle is just annoying to use with it |
| 09:01.43 | Shockah|Work | VIad, nope |
| 09:01.50 | VIad | >_> |
| 09:01.55 | VIad | how do you get there? |
| 09:01.58 | VIad | from dalaran |
| 09:01.58 | Semlar | dalaran |
| 09:02.01 | VIad | aha |
| 09:02.02 | Shockah|Work | -> Dalaran -> talk to NPC -> get carried by an eagle to class hall |
| 09:02.09 | VIad | 2 min flight? |
| 09:02.11 | Shockah|Work | no no |
| 09:02.15 | Semlar | it's semi instant |
| 09:02.15 | Shockah|Work | it's almost instant |
| 09:02.18 | VIad | k |
| 09:02.24 | VIad | so not a problem :p |
| 09:02.32 | Shockah|Work | that would be so annoying lol |
| 09:02.40 | Shockah|Work | if i had to take the flight path every single time |
| 09:02.56 | VIad | I am hardly in my class hall anymore, when I finished the class stuff |
| 09:03.01 | VIad | and phone app :p |
| 09:03.05 | Shockah|Work | neither am i |
| 09:03.16 | Shockah|Work | unless i actually want to use the eagle... |
| 09:03.30 | Shockah|Work | or just want to get quickly to Highmountain |
| 09:03.47 | VIad | wonder what happens if I try to walk into your class hall |
| 09:03.52 | VIad | bet some eagle picks me up and places me outside |
| 09:04.00 | Semlar | probably nothing |
| 09:04.31 | Semlar | the lodge is pretty open, i wouldn't be surprised if you could get into it |
| 09:04.34 | Shockah|Work | we tried with a friend |
| 09:04.39 | VIad | druid one makes me sleep |
| 09:04.42 | Shockah|Work | it teleports it down to the flight point nearby |
| 09:04.43 | VIad | and I wake up outside |
| 09:04.48 | Shockah|Work | *it teleports you |
| 09:05.02 | Semlar | the death knight one does nothing, there was a druid in it |
| 09:05.03 | Shockah|Work | ...flight point? not sure if it's even one |
| 09:05.12 | Shockah|Work | near Hemet |
| 09:05.17 | VIad | what other class halls are open in the world? |
| 09:05.30 | VIad | monk/DK/paladin? |
| 09:05.44 | Shockah|Work | DH's portal just doesn't open, but that's to be expected |
| 09:05.57 | VIad | ofc |
| 09:05.59 | Semlar | warriors used to be able to get into the paladin class hall |
| 09:06.02 | VIad | shaman, warlock, rogue, all portals |
| 09:06.13 | VIad | you get ported out by guards |
| 09:06.16 | VIad | in paladin one |
| 09:06.29 | Shockah|Work | i wish it just killed you the 2nd time you tried |
| 09:06.36 | Shockah|Work | first being a warning |
| 09:06.56 | VIad | a warrior of the light, brutally murdering you for trespassing? |
| 09:06.57 | Semlar | an eagle should peck your eyes out |
| 09:07.06 | Shockah|Work | no |
| 09:07.10 | Shockah|Work | an eagle should pick you up |
| 09:07.12 | Shockah|Work | and then just drop |
| 09:07.17 | Shockah|Work | somewhere high above the ground |
| 09:07.18 | VIad | drop me in a volcano pit :d |
| 09:07.24 | Shockah|Work | hopefully also stunning you for the duration |
| 09:07.26 | VIad | and reference LOTR |
| 09:07.29 | Shockah|Work | so you can't do shit |
| 09:08.05 | VIad | is monk class hall still in pandaland? |
| 09:08.08 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 09:08.23 | VIad | priest one is also in a dungeon |
| 09:08.29 | VIad | the dungeon CH are a bit boring |
| 09:08.32 | VIad | feels a bit disconnected |
| 09:08.43 | VIad | would be cooler if they managed to place them in the world |
| 09:08.46 | znf | https://github.com/Auctionator/Auctionator/issues/207 |
| 09:08.49 | znf | "Closed" |
| 09:08.51 | znf | well, ok then |
| 09:09.39 | VIad | probably because it functions "Properly" just AH results take a lot of time to compile :p |
| 09:09.41 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i could make a much faster scanning auction addon, i just really have no interest in making an interface |
| 09:09.44 | VIad | so not stricly a bit |
| 09:09.45 | VIad | bug* |
| 09:10.13 | znf | The core functionality is a "bug" |
| 09:10.18 | znf | I mean, you scan for the auctions once |
| 09:10.29 | znf | why the fuck would you scan yet again when I want to buy? |
| 09:10.31 | nevcairiel | it needs to confirm the auctions are still there when you are buying |
| 09:10.40 | VIad | it could have been bought out |
| 09:10.52 | znf | I know, but waiting 40 minutes vs. "sorry, there's no more auction there" is not acceptable |
| 09:10.58 | Semlar | no it doesn't, it needs to set the auction page to the right page before it can buy something |
| 09:11.23 | Semlar | because it scanned every god damn page to begin with |
| 09:11.24 | VIad | but pages can shift around right? so would have to scan outwards from the original page index |
| 09:11.26 | nevcairiel | the auction API is as limited as most other old APIs, its stateful and annoying |
| 09:11.37 | nevcairiel | nothing an addon can really do |
| 09:11.42 | Semlar | yes there is |
| 09:11.50 | VIad | if you selected an auction on page 10, the addon could scan page 10, 11, 9, 12, 8, e.g. |
| 09:11.54 | VIad | and try find the AH there |
| 09:11.56 | Semlar | there is almost no reason for it to scan the entire list of auctions every time you want to search for something |
| 09:12.14 | nevcairiel | it doesnt do that, it only searches the things you want |
| 09:12.23 | Semlar | yes, but it searches every page |
| 09:12.39 | znf | I have no idea how it works. I just want something that I can use. |
| 09:12.43 | Semlar | it also searches every page before outputting any results, rather than displaying them AS IT SEARCHES |
| 09:12.49 | nevcairiel | znf: move to a realm thats not fucking digusting in size |
| 09:12.50 | znf | I literally have to use the remote AH to buy stuff |
| 09:13.02 | VIad | makes sense though, the cheapest one could be on the last page |
| 09:13.03 | znf | THE TRANSFERS ARE NTO FREE |
| 09:13.08 | Semlar | no it couldn't vlad |
| 09:13.12 | nevcairiel | thats not our problem, is it =p |
| 09:13.19 | Semlar | the api can sort the auctions by buyout |
| 09:13.23 | znf | and playing on a realm that is smaller than this sucks balsl |
| 09:13.27 | nevcairiel | the item you want could be on the last page though |
| 09:13.32 | nevcairiel | when doing partial name searches |
| 09:13.46 | Constie | The app doesn't seem to work for buying for me. Has said it was disconnected every time I've tried so far. |
| 09:14.13 | znf | I used it in the browser |
| 09:14.23 | VIad | people can post a stack of something, or singular items, sortin in buyout could make the single items more expensive if you wanted to buy 20 of them |
| 09:14.29 | Semlar | maybe it could offer suggestions for the item you're searching for and only search for exact matches |
| 09:14.31 | VIad | meanwhilethe already stacked auction could be cheaper |
| 09:14.48 | nevcairiel | yeah the default searches dont handle stack differences |
| 09:15.05 | nevcairiel | so you want it to finish searchign before buying anything anyway |
| 09:15.26 | znf | the underlying issue is people posting a billion stacks of 1 |
| 09:15.32 | Semlar | thankfully nobody sells stacks of anything, they just post 40 pages of single ore |
| 09:15.40 | nevcairiel | of course, people are morons |
| 09:16.39 | Shockah|Work | would be great if they could overhaul AH, letting you post any amount of items at a specific price and also buy any amount |
| 09:16.42 | Semlar | they need to add a way to sort auctions by individual item's buyout |
| 09:16.50 | Semlar | which is all anyone ever wants to sort by ever |
| 09:16.57 | znf | there are ~40+ pages of leystone ore on my realm |
| 09:17.27 | ls- | hm, now I'm curious about mine... |
| 09:17.54 | ls- | only 14 :p |
| 09:18.16 | nevcairiel | znf is on the realm where all the scum of the EU accumulates, so its a given |
| 09:18.24 | znf | I'm not even on the biggest EU realm... |
| 09:18.28 | znf | Outland is by far larger |
| 09:19.11 | znf | even Draenor is supposedly larger |
| 09:19.26 | ls- | damn... I'm on Ragnaros EU, it's relatively small :p |
| 09:19.33 | znf | https://realmpop.com/eu-internal-record-3702.html |
| 09:19.39 | znf | there's a realm called Internal Record 3702 |
| 09:19.41 | znf | ?! |
| 09:19.42 | znf | wtf? |
| 09:20.08 | nevcairiel | maybe someone forgot to put the name in there on that website |
| 09:21.56 | VIad | the reason there are auctions of 1 item is because people want to buy X amount, and you never know exactly how much people neeed. if you sell 10 of something, someone needs 5, they buy 5x1 because its cheaper than your 10 |
| 09:22.24 | VIad | the whole AH needs an overhaul, where you specify per unit and have the AH group up results or something |
| 09:22.51 | Semlar | nah, people are posting like thousands of single stacks of items |
| 09:23.05 | Shockah|Work | and that's exactly the reason |
| 09:23.12 | Shockah|Work | no one likes to bother with leftover items |
| 09:23.26 | Shockah|Work | "oh i need 12 of something to craft this... but there's only an auction of 20" |
| 09:23.31 | VIad | thats why people started to post single items, so you dont miss potential buyers |
| 09:23.46 | ls- | ooooor, people don't care and use default posting settings of an addon, e.g. 1 item per stack, max stacks. |
| 09:23.51 | VIad | nah |
| 09:23.52 | nevcairiel | if i need 20, i would pay slightly more per item just to avoid having to buy 20 auctions |
| 09:24.04 | nevcairiel | its just fucking annoying |
| 09:24.14 | VIad | its the free market |
| 09:24.18 | Semlar | they aren't posting that many auctions because they expect them to sell |
| 09:24.20 | VIad | just the ah api and ui sucks |
| 09:24.29 | ls- | true |
| 09:24.34 | nevcairiel | free market would mean smart people control it, but its not, its controlled by morons |
| 09:24.46 | VIad | free market means you can put up a gray knife for a million gold :p |
| 09:24.56 | VIad | and no one will buy it |
| 09:25.32 | VIad | posting auctions per item is not a new thing, just worse now with much larger quantities |
| 09:25.37 | znf | <nevcairiel> if i need 20, i would pay slightly more per item just to avoid having to buy 20 auctions |
| 09:25.37 | znf | <nevcairiel> its just fucking annoying |
| 09:25.38 | znf | yes |
| 09:25.58 | Semlar | nobody needs 1 ore |
| 09:25.59 | Constie | There is no such thing as ethical auctioneering under Goblin capitalism. |
| 09:26.00 | VIad | tons of micro managing people that want those single items and use addon to buy X amounts |
| 09:26.13 | VIad | because they save a gold or 50s |
| 09:26.19 | VIad | and can repost them at higher prices :p |
| 09:26.23 | znf | posting items of +1 is popular since Auctionator has replaced Actioneer or whatever norganna's addon was |
| 09:26.25 | nevcairiel | every buy needs a hardware event, so they have to click all the fucking time =p |
| 09:26.39 | VIad | it has |
| 09:26.42 | VIad | doesnt it? |
| 09:26.45 | LexSfX | wtb wotlk-speed AuctionLite |
| 09:26.45 | nevcairiel | while listing doesnt need hardware events |
| 09:26.55 | nevcairiel | so you can list 1000 auctions in an instant |
| 09:26.58 | nevcairiel | but buying takes effort |
| 09:27.01 | LexSfX | that doesn't lag for 10 seconds between clicks |
| 09:27.11 | Constie | TSM lets you bind auction actions to your scroll wheel, so you can buy single things without too much effort. |
| 09:27.16 | Constie | But it's definitely worse than it used to be. |
| 09:27.25 | znf | also, back in the day there were no server-wide-ah |
| 09:27.33 | VIad | we need a good revamped C_Auction |
| 09:27.35 | znf | it was faction-wide, that was it |
| 09:28.16 | VIad | it would be nice if you could C_Auction.Query with a table and a ton of params |
| 09:28.38 | Semlar | you basically can |
| 09:28.38 | VIad | and it returned a table with stuff, and with a guid of kind so you can easily C_Auction.Exists later point by ID or what ever |
| 09:28.56 | znf | good old parachute from nitro boosts failure! |
| 09:28.59 | znf | deployes after you land |
| 09:29.10 | Semlar | but you can't make it do what you want |
| 09:29.20 | VIad | but it would also have to be able to scan like "Price per nit" |
| 09:29.21 | VIad | unit* |
| 09:29.30 | VIad | not just the listing price |
| 09:29.35 | znf | not even sure why sorting by buyout is not in the game |
| 09:29.42 | znf | the remote ah has a "sort by individual buyout price" |
| 09:29.45 | znf | or something like that |
| 09:29.50 | VIad | yes |
| 09:29.51 | znf | (ie: price per item, not per stack) |
| 09:29.52 | nevcairiel | it is, but its only per-stack, not per-unit |
| 09:29.58 | VIad | why can't we have ingame? |
| 09:30.01 | Semlar | the auction house is unusable without an addon, and ironically also unusable with an addon |
| 09:30.01 | znf | pretty sure it's per unit |
| 09:30.14 | Constie | Re: needing to do complete scans, I guess you could avoid it by just assuming single items are close enough to the cheapest that you don't care. |
| 09:30.33 | nevcairiel | it being unusable with addons even is because players just ruin it with the mass-auctions |
| 09:30.52 | znf | there are both: http://i.imgur.com/SAajzQo.png |
| 09:30.52 | nevcairiel | anyway works fine on my small-ish realm =p |
| 09:31.25 | Semlar | Constie: you can see the number of pages of results and you could only scan every x pages |
| 09:31.50 | Semlar | and you could get a pretty good idea of what the best buys are going to be a lot faster than scanning the entire auction house |
| 09:32.49 | Constie | What I'm hearing is that Semlar should make an auction addon. |
| 09:33.11 | Semlar | mainly, i don't see why they don't output the results that they do have while they're still scanning |
| 09:33.23 | Semlar | and give you the option to just stop scanning |
| 09:34.18 | Semlar | if the scan is going to take 5 minutes and i just want to buy something that it's found already, it's not necessary to keep going |
| 09:35.29 | VIad | ^ that could be a nice addition |
| 09:36.24 | VIad | maybe you can word it like that, znf |
| 09:36.35 | Constie | Maybe asking the developers of the big addons to change them so they discourage posting single stacks might help. |
| 09:36.50 | VIad | ^ will never happen |
| 09:37.03 | VIad | if you dont need a stack as buyer, you buy the few you need |
| 09:37.19 | nevcairiel | yet noone needs 1 ore |
| 09:37.34 | nevcairiel | and the majority of buyers are juist annoyed by this |
| 09:37.44 | znf | If they'd change that, out be the pitchforks |
| 09:38.19 | nevcairiel | if you want to buy 200 ore and have to do it one by one, you sit there for a couple minutes |
| 09:39.55 | Semlar | this is all just a clever way to get buyers to use the normal auction interface instead of scanning, almost forcing them to buy your items that may be more expensive than someone posting stacks |
| 09:40.32 | VIad | I sometimes literally need 3 of something |
| 09:40.34 | znf | I just log off to use the remote ah |
| 09:40.36 | VIad | I buy 3x1 |
| 09:40.40 | VIad | cheaper than to buy 20 |
| 09:40.58 | znf | But it's annoying to do so |
| 09:40.59 | nevcairiel | so list a couple single auctions, no reason to post 1000s of those, and only those |
| 09:41.00 | VIad | I can see why people would want singles |
| 09:41.06 | znf | You have to be logged out for a minute |
| 09:41.07 | VIad | annoying sure, doesnt mean the market dont want them :p |
| 09:41.13 | znf | To use it |
| 09:41.23 | nevcairiel | the market is full of morons that dont know what they want |
| 09:41.26 | znf | And then for a minute you can't log in I the game |
| 09:41.30 | nevcairiel | they would just buy a 5 stack without thinking twice |
| 09:41.45 | nevcairiel | and its already 5 times less clicks to buy higher quantities |
| 09:42.01 | ls- | doesn't remote ah have some kind of limit? like ~200 transaction per day? |
| 09:42.17 | Semlar | yes |
| 09:42.37 | Semlar | and by my count that's 200 ore |
| 09:42.52 | ls- | that's nothing T_T |
| 09:43.15 | ls- | I need thousands of items :( |
| 09:43.30 | Semlar | you need an intervention |
| 09:43.41 | ls- | y? |
| 09:45.58 | ls- | damn, I need to write a changelog, make few screenshots and update addon's description :( |
| 09:46.31 | Constie | Legion engineering is... not good. I almost want to drop it for something else. |
| 09:46.45 | Constie | Although I do use my Loot-A-Rang all the time. |
| 09:47.03 | VIad | legion engineering is kind of bad |
| 09:47.04 | Semlar | you could never make me give up engineering |
| 09:47.16 | VIad | you craft tons of consumable items that cost as much as crafting gear on other professions |
| 09:47.39 | ls- | tbh, many professions are quite meh... but prof questing is cool |
| 09:47.44 | VIad | znf: did you like my fireworks? |
| 09:48.32 | znf | don't know what fireworks you're talking about |
| 09:48.33 | Constie | The Reaves Battery being a consumable that disappears is just boggling to me. I'm not spending 5 felslate to put down a feast or whatever. |
| 09:48.45 | znf | Constie, a shitty feast. |
| 09:48.49 | znf | that grants versatility |
| 09:49.03 | nevcairiel | fests are all shitty anyway |
| 09:49.06 | nevcairiel | feasts |
| 09:49.10 | VIad | znf: I replied to your ticket :d |
| 09:49.23 | Constie | Maybe the fireworks one for boss kills. |
| 09:49.25 | VIad | everything you craft is a consumable in legion |
| 09:49.32 | VIad | kind of shame |
| 09:49.48 | VIad | even reaves, one time usable robot :( |
| 09:50.05 | znf | Anyway, there's 2 "simple" fixes that could improve the quality of life |
| 09:50.08 | VIad | hopefully they make some recipe for 7.1 where you can craft a radiactive cell that lasts for hundreds of years |
| 09:50.16 | znf | 1: Have Blizzard provide a sorting of "buyout per item" |
| 09:50.17 | VIad | radioactive* |
| 09:50.34 | znf | 2: (optional) Have Actionator display results in real time |
| 09:51.32 | nevcairiel | wasnt your issue the buying phase, thats always going to be slow when it has to find the right page again |
| 09:51.45 | ls- | sadly, option #2 is more realistic than option #1... |
| 09:52.18 | znf | nevcairiel, if you sort by buyout price, lowest to highest, I think that would also solve auctionator being slow |
| 09:52.24 | VIad | cant it rescan using same parameters, but start at the expected page? |
| 09:52.25 | Constie | I guess if nothing else the items being bad means I don't have to spend gold on them. |
| 09:52.27 | znf | as in, you will get the cheap results faster in your UI |
| 09:52.50 | VIad | if it found the listing on page 20, scan the same query at page 20 first |
| 09:53.02 | VIad | then work from here going +1/-1 pages |
| 09:53.16 | VIad | I just hope listings have some guid of kind, that would help finding the right one |
| 09:53.29 | znf | I wouldn't need to scan page 20+ if I had sorting by buyout per item |
| 09:53.51 | znf | well, in 99% of the cases anyway |
| 09:55.07 | znf | also, having buyout per item as a sorting method would probably be the only change that doesn't upset the community |
| 09:55.10 | VIad | I can't imagine the amount of performance strain there is on the AH server |
| 09:55.32 | VIad | considering it has to make snapshots of the entire DB for the api service, and the ingame scans people do all the time |
| 09:55.39 | znf | the people who make a living out of price-hiking would be upset, but they wouldn't dare speak up in public about it :P |
| 09:56.10 | VIad | I agree. default cheapest per unit first would fix a lot of these issues |
| 09:56.16 | ls- | wish in-game AH data looked like the one you can get via web API, and PlaceAuctionBid used guids instead of indeces :p |
| 09:56.19 | VIad | a quick fix overall |
| 09:56.32 | VIad | guids are better to work with |
| 09:56.47 | VIad | once you got the results, you could just rely on guid to work with the auction |
| 09:56.58 | VIad | but the ah uses the old vanilla way of working still |
| 09:57.15 | ls- | T_T yeah... and that's sad :( |
| 09:57.40 | VIad | you can say the same for map, quest log, and some other old APIs |
| 09:57.47 | VIad | that have no C_ alternative yet |
| 09:58.06 | VIad | the mount journal is sadly still weird with the filters, isnt it? |
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| 09:58.18 | VIad | if you filter it affects the API results too |
| 09:58.36 | VIad | instead of having some sort of while loop with a hidden flag to decide what is shown or not in the list |
| 10:02.28 | znf | Su'esh quest needs to be buffed |
| 10:02.32 | znf | you kill 3 mobs for 1% wtf |
| 10:04.05 | nevcairiel | he is a mass killing machine, not single target =p |
| 10:04.52 | znf | She! |
| 10:05.00 | nevcairiel | grouping up helps though |
| 10:05.19 | znf | I would think that when a dinosaur walks over you, you're dead |
| 10:05.20 | znf | not half-alife |
| 10:06.11 | znf | half-alive |
| 10:06.53 | VIad | my strat is to use the rush ability, kills stuff below |
| 10:06.59 | VIad | so I just walk over stuff and spam 1/4 |
| 10:07.04 | znf | it doesn't |
| 10:07.05 | VIad | and use the eat thing on elite demon |
| 10:07.14 | VIad | it should, stuff die if I walk over it with the rush buff |
| 10:07.19 | VIad | does a lot of dmg |
| 10:07.22 | znf | I just find the place where it spawns that pack of 10 elites |
| 10:07.32 | znf | and I spam buttons there without moving |
| 10:07.46 | VIad | tbh its one of those quests you can just spam whatever is not on cooldown :p |
| 10:08.06 | VIad | walk in circle and spam all buttons while standing on top of the elite spawn place |
| 10:10.22 | znf | that Kirin Tor quest @ Moonguard is the most dumb one yet |
| 10:10.28 | znf | you can just walk in a bubble when you're underneath it |
| 10:11.31 | znf | - |
| 10:11.39 | znf | Am I correct that mining no longer drops gems, at all? |
| 10:12.28 | Fisker | hugs cairenn |
| 10:12.41 | cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 10:12.49 | VIad | znf: you can improve mining to later allow rare drops |
| 10:12.55 | Fisker | hey lowercase cairenn |
| 10:12.58 | znf | you can? |
| 10:12.58 | nevcairiel | rare drops just means blood |
| 10:12.59 | VIad | should be, I am at 2/3 on some skills only |
| 10:13.01 | Fisker | :P |
| 10:13.13 | VIad | seems WQ give some rewards |
| 10:13.27 | VIad | znf: the gravity bubble thing is kind of easy for a DH :P |
| 10:13.35 | VIad | most of them I can glider to the target |
| 10:13.51 | VIad | the puzzle once are more interesting |
| 10:14.11 | znf | the puzzle ones are easy after 2-3 times |
| 10:14.21 | znf | I was "WTF" at first |
| 10:14.30 | znf | then after a week of doing them on the beta, it's just routine |
| 10:18.30 | znf | Stairs are hard: https://gfycat.com/ArcticAnyFrogmouth |
| 10:18.56 | znf | apparently making gifs is hard, too |
| 10:23.08 | VIad | I wish the puzzle once were RNG |
| 10:23.26 | VIad | ofc not totally, you dont want them to overlap the path :p |
| 10:23.38 | VIad | but you could make it generate some random shape configurations |
| 10:23.48 | VIad | ofc fixed for that week |
| 10:23.50 | VIad | or day |
| 10:24.07 | VIad | also I wonder if you can cheap them with a teleport |
| 10:24.23 | VIad | I can't jump them with my DH leap :p |
| 10:26.04 | VIad | show us the gif, znf |
| 10:26.11 | znf | I'm out of the area |
| 10:26.42 | VIad | :p |
| 10:27.31 | znf | it was just my priest having issues with stairs |
| 10:27.59 | VIad | I've had issues sometimes on the ledge in pandariacity as I exit the inn |
| 10:28.08 | VIad | tiny 2px edge on the floor that I could get stuck on |
| 10:28.44 | VIad | guess same issue applies to regular stairs |
| 10:29.10 | VIad | though these days stairs is just a nice slope, the stairs are just visual :p |
| 10:29.30 | VIad | I remember there was issues with old models that had actual stair hitboxes instead of ramps |
| 10:29.34 | VIad | got stuck more often |
| 10:32.40 | VIad | I am still amazed, if you go in tbc or older raids, a lot of objects, like the black temple courtyard ruined machines, everything has a hitbox where there are things, not just blocks of invisible walls around them |
| 10:33.01 | VIad | seems like later they just added a huge block on top the object and made it spikey on top so people slid off :p |
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| 10:36.07 | LexSfX | VIad: yes |
| 10:37.01 | VIad | I have a history of exploring and jumping on things |
| 10:37.08 | VIad | and getting stuck into things |
| 10:37.21 | VIad | you get to do a lot of things when playing since 04 |
| 10:38.45 | znf | oh my god, this registrar I'm using |
| 10:38.50 | znf | they are SO slow |
| 10:38.58 | znf | they kept my account in "pending" for days for verifications |
| 10:39.17 | znf | but they're the only ones that are apparently willing to register an emoji domain |
| 10:40.01 | VIad | maybe soon you get a "I'm sorry dave, we can't let you do that" after all |
| 10:44.27 | znf | probably |
| 10:45.07 | VIad | did you try register the penis emoji? |
| 10:45.51 | znf | no, banana |
| 10:48.22 | VIad | nice |
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| 11:07.03 | LexSfX | i get disconnected shortly after login when i receive a notification that a garrison mission is complete. halp! |
| 11:07.19 | LexSfX | even with no addons enabled! |
| 11:07.21 | LexSfX | what can i do to work around this? :( |
| 11:07.49 | LexSfX | or at least figure out the cause so i can fix it |
| 11:08.20 | Constie | Did you do a scan and repair? |
| 11:08.34 | LexSfX | no. i'll try that |
| 11:10.08 | Semlar | delete your cache folder, that always solves everything |
| 11:10.19 | LexSfX | Semlar: oh, good idea. i'll try that too |
| 11:10.24 | Torhal | Delete the Semlar entity as well. |
| 11:12.20 | LexSfX | this seems like something that could be in BlizzBugsSuck if neither of these solutions fix it and the cause is found ;o |
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| 11:19.16 | LexSfX | during scan & repair: http://lex.clansfx.co.uk/dump/1ca98469890c46003309850cabdef1b7/00000633.png |
| 11:19.20 | LexSfX | O.O |
| 11:19.43 | mfgmfg | overclocking? |
| 11:19.47 | LexSfX | no |
| 11:29.07 | LexSfX | tried again and it happened again: http://lex.clansfx.co.uk/dump/97d43874b78b8e0471986da38ad2db91/00000634.png |
| 11:29.08 | LexSfX | yikes |
| 11:29.36 | LexSfX | guess i'll try just deleting cache and hoping Blizzard fixes their update agent ;o |
| 11:32.54 | LexSfX | deleting cache didn't work around it; still get disconnected shortly after login with no addons loaded. the mission that appears in the toast window is "Nuisance Gronnling", for the record |
| 11:33.12 | LexSfX | guess i'll open a ticket and they can log in on my character |
| 11:33.21 | LexSfX | too bad since i was planning on progressing on that character ;o |
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| 11:34.38 | LexSfX | maybe i can unregister a certain event to work around this until i can receive the mission reward |
| 11:36.08 | LexSfX | i'll write a little addon that disables GARRISON_MISSION_FINISHED |
| 11:39.04 | LexSfX | AlertFrameMixin:UnregisterEvent("GARRISON_MISSION_FINISHED") |
| 11:39.11 | LexSfX | hopefully this works... |
| 11:43.58 | LexSfX | that didn't work |
| 11:44.04 | VIad | delete interface and wtf folders too, lexf |
| 11:44.09 | VIad | LexSfX* |
| 11:44.10 | LexSfX | loooool |
| 11:44.26 | LexSfX | guess i'll try AlertFrameMixin:UnregisterAllEvents() |
| 11:44.45 | VIad | how long has it been since you did a format? |
| 11:49.11 | karl_w_w | I robbed a gas station yesterday with just my phone and a charger. I waved around my Note 7 and threatened to plug it in by the the coffee machine. The owner panicked and emptied the register into a plastic bag. I've never had so much fun. I'm gonna wait a couple more weeks before I turn this thing in for the recall. |
| 11:51.07 | tz | thanks for that |
| 11:51.10 | tz | now I have coffee up my nose |
| 11:51.14 | Ammako | haha |
| 11:56.08 | nebula | LexSfX: AlertFrameMixin is just a prototype, you'd need to unregister on the actual frame that used the mixin |
| 11:56.30 | LexSfX | nebula: oh, thanks. do you happen to know how i can do that? |
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| 11:57.54 | nebula | find the frame :p might just be AlertFrame, might be something else that anchors to it |
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| 11:58.10 | nebula | i don't know off hand |
| 11:58.24 | LexSfX | ok |
| 11:58.46 | LexSfX | the problem is that i can only stay online for about 3 seconds before i get disconnected |
| 11:58.49 | LexSfX | i can't /framestack and stuff |
| 11:59.14 | VIad | just https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta like any other sane person |
| 11:59.37 | LexSfX | i'm looking at AlertFrames.lua already, VIad |
| 11:59.57 | nebula | looks like AlertFramen:UnregisterEvent("GARRISON_MISSION_FINISHED") should be fine |
| 12:00.03 | nebula | erm, typo, but yea |
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| 12:02.24 | VIad | I usually do a search for whatever incorporates the mixin name :p |
| 12:02.31 | VIad | to find what frames inherit from it |
| 12:02.43 | VIad | thats why I have the xml downloaded locally, so I can easier search the files |
| 12:03.08 | LexSfX | VIad: yes, i already have Gethe's github repo cloned and i can search it with grepwin |
| 12:03.26 | LexSfX | i'm just not sure what to search for |
| 12:03.30 | LexSfX | nebula: okay, will try that |
| 12:03.50 | LexSfX | i see the n typo, too, so don't worry about that |
| 12:05.51 | VIad | the alertframes.lua has the Mixin defined |
| 12:06.15 | VIad | you were looking at it, blizz define it on line 12 as " |
| 12:06.16 | VIad | AlertFrameSimpleMixin = {};" |
| 12:06.31 | VIad | searching for AlertFrameSimpleMixin should yield what frames inherit from it |
| 12:06.37 | LexSfX | ok |
| 12:06.58 | VIad | all mixins are just tables with methods |
| 12:07.15 | VIad | and all the mixin stuff do is copy over the methods onto the objects |
| 12:07.30 | VIad | well it's references so it's like shared functions ran on different "self" objects |
| 12:07.56 | LexSfX | so they're like classes with instances |
| 12:08.12 | VIad | in this case though the global function CreateSimpleAlertFrameSystem will create the mixin for alert frame |
| 12:08.19 | VIad | so have to do another search to find who calls CreateSimpleAlertFrameSystem |
| 12:08.41 | VIad | its like a nesting doll |
| 12:09.14 | LexSfX | AlertFrames.lua line 330 is where they are created |
| 12:11.41 | LexSfX | okay, i deleted every subdirectory in "WoW\Data" except for "data" and now the Blizzard Update Agent doesn't crash on scan & repair |
| 12:11.54 | VIad | it appears that doing a AlertFrame:UnregisterAllEvents() would "fix" all your issues alert frame wise :p |
| 12:12.19 | LexSfX | i was trying to fix my scan and repair first. let's see if i don't have to use AlertFrame:UnregisterAllEvents() at all anyway |
| 12:12.42 | VIad | this mixin is kind of weird because it doesn't seems like a class, it often hardcodes in AlertFrame |
| 12:12.58 | VIad | I'd expect a mixin to be more generic and use "self" to refer to its object and not hardcode itself in it :p |
| 12:13.45 | LexSfX | yup, what i did to fix scan & repair also fixed this |
| 12:13.50 | LexSfX | no more disconnection |
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| 12:14.49 | LexSfX | so for the record, if this happens to anyone else ever, delete "<WoW dir>\Data\config", "<WoW dir>\Data\enUS", "<WoW dir>\Data\indicies", "<WoW dir>\Data\patch" |
| 12:14.58 | LexSfX | then scan and repair |
| 12:15.13 | LexSfX | thanks for all the help, nebula and VIad |
| 12:15.54 | VIad | I didnt do much, I was just trying to help explain mixins |
| 12:16.04 | VIad | and how to track down what uses what mixin if you know the name of the mixin :p |
| 12:16.34 | LexSfX | well, i learned something there too |
| 12:16.37 | LexSfX | so thanks for that |
| 12:17.13 | Xuerian | Is there a "canonical" oUF layout at this point? |
| 12:19.38 | modernis_ | i just lily |
| 12:19.42 | modernis_ | just use* |
| 12:20.17 | modernis_ | zork's ouf_simple layout was decent as a global base but i think its outdated now |
| 12:26.29 | VIad | am I old if I use pitbull4? |
| 12:27.08 | nebula | probably, what did you use before pb4? |
| 12:27.15 | VIad | perl |
| 12:27.19 | nebula | ew |
| 12:27.44 | VIad | think I swapped to pitbull like tbc:p |
| 12:28.02 | VIad | customizable enough for me so haven't needed to swap |
| 12:29.53 | Xuerian | Shrug. I just end up writing custom functionality in to mine so oUF is ideal |
| 12:30.14 | VIad | oUF is easier or? |
| 12:30.35 | VIad | pb4 has perhaps too many options for the regular mortal |
| 12:30.41 | VIad | unsure how oUF is experienced |
| 12:30.50 | Xuerian | It provides a lot of building blocks to put together directly in lua |
| 12:30.51 | nebula | it's a coding framework |
| 12:31.08 | VIad | aha |
| 12:31.22 | VIad | I have my own private addon that I use to write in personal code and such |
| 12:31.24 | VIad | is it like that? |
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| 12:31.43 | Shockah|Work | VIad, i'm also using PitBull |
| 12:31.49 | Xuerian | Sort of. Layouts are generally their own addon (or part of another customization addon) |
| 12:31.49 | Shockah|Work | and can't find a good alternative |
| 12:32.52 | nebula | i should probably finish doing the class auras so people stop complaining about missing stuff z.z |
| 12:35.33 | haste | VIad: oUF pretty much handles updating and your layout handles... the layout :P |
| 12:36.24 | VIad | do we have a statistic on how many here use oUF? |
| 12:36.37 | haste | no :D |
| 12:36.50 | nebula | atleast one |
| 12:37.24 | haste | hoping I can get the legion release out the door this weekend |
| 12:37.31 | Xuerian | psh |
| 12:37.50 | haste | it's my first free weekend since I was on vacation :V |
| 12:38.09 | VIad | with a large framework, there is a lot of pressure then |
| 12:38.20 | VIad | need like a OS project on github with people moderating and updating :p |
| 12:38.26 | Xuerian | not really? there's two maintained and working branches for legion already |
| 12:38.46 | Xuerian | unless I'm assuming wrong and haste is in fact under a huge burden :p |
| 12:39.18 | haste | the PR should cover all of legion |
| 12:39.53 | nebula | atleast with something like ouf, the users are usually savvy enough to fix things themselves :p |
| 12:40.00 | modernis_ | usually |
| 12:40.08 | modernis_ | ;) |
| 12:40.23 | Xuerian | There's always enough _users_ to go around |
| 12:40.27 | VIad | should in any case be motivational to learn t ocode |
| 12:40.43 | haste | I'll probably create a organization on github for it after this release |
| 12:40.59 | haste | it's bloody obvious I can't manage stuff on time while working for a startup :V |
| 12:41.13 | VIad | what do you do in the startup? |
| 12:41.16 | Xuerian | that's entirely understandable |
| 12:41.22 | Constie | I use PitBull because it's the quickest and easiest to set up the way I want it, in my experience. |
| 12:41.31 | haste | VIad: code |
| 12:41.36 | VIad | what language? |
| 12:41.47 | haste | js and elixir mostly |
| 12:41.52 | VIad | is it web related? |
| 12:42.01 | haste | yes and no |
| 12:42.17 | VIad | never heard of elixir |
| 12:42.32 | haste | it's ruby inspired and built upon erlang |
| 12:42.55 | haste | not the fastest around, but nice concurrency and easy to work with |
| 12:43.02 | VIad | does it have less than 1% user base? |
| 12:43.16 | Xuerian | o_O? |
| 12:43.57 | haste | what does that even mean VIad ? |
| 12:48.40 | VIad | like, do enough people code using elixir :p |
| 12:48.52 | VIad | there are many languages spawned from other languages, and so on |
| 12:49.03 | VIad | with various amounts of popularity |
| 12:49.36 | VIad | I've heard a lot of bad things from c++ coders about ruby in general, and elixir is two steps away from that, so unsure how popular it is :p |
| 12:49.38 | Xuerian | It's not a separate language, it's like a JVM language, for Erlang's thing (OTP?) |
| 12:49.56 | Xuerian | I forget what it's called. |
| 12:50.23 | VIad | it seems new, so has to be better than the older languages |
| 12:51.00 | Xuerian | Better? If you have a highly concurrent problem ideally in the telecommunications area, sure |
| 12:51.05 | VIad | is elixir made to work on like, smaller devices? |
| 12:51.22 | VIad | seems like this is a branch of coding for embeded things |
| 12:52.02 | VIad | dunno, sadly never heard of erlang either |
| 12:52.08 | Xuerian | Erlang is generally a server/infrastructure thing. |
| 12:52.21 | VIad | what does erlang do that is better than c++? |
| 12:52.33 | VIad | considering everything is kind of written on C of some knd |
| 12:53.02 | Xuerian | Hardly true, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about it to answer that. |
| 12:53.27 | VIad | meh, I am neither |
| 12:53.32 | Xuerian | Well. hardly is a bit generous, but it's not always the case |
| 12:54.38 | VIad | I usually think about things like, if they require to be compile first, or if they are interpret on the go :p |
| 12:55.10 | VIad | and you have a lot of languages to pick from if you want to compile things, and even more so if you just want to script |
| 12:55.39 | Xuerian | Well, like any craft it's usually the best tool for the job, not the best tool in general. |
| 12:55.46 | VIad | yeah |
| 12:56.19 | VIad | I mean there are people that love visual basic so |
| 12:56.57 | VIad | or fortran |
| 12:57.31 | VIad | not trying to offend anyone, just old languages usually are less thought out, and are probably way different in their later revisions today than they first appeared, though visual basic still remains as horrible as it was back then :p |
| 12:57.57 | Xuerian | ignore the past and repeat the mistakes, etc |
| 12:58.07 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Fiskerboo. Happy Fry's Day. |
| 12:58.33 | VIad | is there a language we can universally hate and bash on without having someone feel insulted in here? |
| 12:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | Pig Latin? |
| 12:59.05 | VIad | programming language :p |
| 13:00.01 | VIad | "This is to inform you that your E-mail address is one of our 5 top Beneficiary for the award of £1,000,000.00(One Million Great British Pounds) each on the Coca-Cola Bottling Company Promotion Award 2016." |
| 13:00.08 | VIad | great british pounds? |
| 13:00.38 | Lopeppeppy | Coldfusion. I despise Coldfusion with the firey passion of a thousand suns. |
| 13:00.54 | nebula | yea, fuck coldfusion |
| 13:01.15 | VIad | never used it, but googled and found adobe |
| 13:01.17 | VIad | I understand |
| 13:01.26 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 13:01.30 | VIad | they should stick to making video and image editing software |
| 13:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | We are finally converting the last of our CF apps this fall. So. Happy. |
| 13:02.02 | VIad | I can buy the enterprise coldfusion suite for $120000 >_> |
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| 13:02.53 | VIad | is coldfusion xml? |
| 13:02.54 | VIad | wat |
| 13:03.50 | VIad | its like xml had a baby with javascript |
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| 13:07.27 | Lopeppeppy | A baby like Chucky, you mean. |
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| 13:18.09 | haste | Xuerian: it's called BEAM :P |
| 13:18.18 | haste | (the erland vm) |
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| 13:20.12 | haste | VIad: over C it's mostly less error prone to work with |
| 13:29.55 | znf | I'm guessing everyone is still using WoD dps potions? |
| 13:30.07 | znf | since the legion ones are both expensive as hell and shit effects? |
| 13:30.45 | foxlit | current content kind of doesn't require consumables in my experience. |
| 13:30.46 | nevcairiel | the effect of the caster potion is pretty good |
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| 13:31.27 | foxlit | Wish Lua had tuples. |
| 13:31.44 | nevcairiel | lua has multiple return values and variable arguments |
| 13:31.47 | foxlit | kind of want to save two values in one variable. |
| 13:31.49 | nevcairiel | make your own tuples |
| 13:32.13 | znf | what's a tuple |
| 13:32.49 | foxlit | a tuple is a value which consists of a fixed number of other values. |
| 13:33.09 | foxlit | ("znf", "what's a tuple") is a hypothetical tuple. |
| 13:33.20 | nevcairiel | and tables are apparently too expensive for foxlit :d |
| 13:33.29 | foxlit | tables are nasty. |
| 13:33.49 | foxlit | because {} ~= {} |
| 13:34.09 | nevcairiel | i'm sure you can meta that |
| 13:34.29 | nevcairiel | Semlar will find you a way! |
| 13:34.45 | znf | isn't that just an array? |
| 13:35.11 | mckenziemc | sort of |
| 13:35.42 | foxlit | tuples are originally a mathematical construction, arrays are a cs construction. |
| 13:36.00 | foxlit | there are shades of meaning there, but it's not too important. |
| 13:36.40 | foxlit | nevcairiel: but okay, you can fix equality with metatables. Can you tables to work with those metatabled-things as keys? |
| 13:36.53 | foxlit | s/you tables/you get tables/ |
| 13:41.28 | nevcairiel | it sounds like something they might have added a metamethod for in later lua verisons, but i didnt find anything |
| 13:43.34 | Thunder_Child | Just use a list instead and don't mutate it. |
| 13:44.49 | foxlit | (a) a list in Lua? (b) how does everything get access to the same list? |
| 13:45.09 | Thunder_Child | No lists in Lua? Well then. |
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| 14:10.27 | mckenziemc | In summary: Lua's nice, but it's no panacea. |
| 14:14.25 | karl_w_w | don't lie |
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| 14:17.57 | mckenziemc | gives karl_w_w a lethal dose of Lua. |
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| 14:33.46 | VIad | metatables can make your tables do more than just table :d |
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| 15:02.31 | znf | [18:01:50] Jyscal receives loot: [Tome of Hex: Spider]. |
| 15:02.31 | znf | he's a DK |
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| 15:12.34 | VIad | I found a way to consistently crash wow without an error to appear with tooltip scanning ,_, |
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| 15:15.11 | VIad | any way I can inspect the crash dump files? |
| 15:16.19 | VIad | so it seems if I :SetHyperlink it crashes the game lol |
| 15:19.24 | Sharparam | <foxlit> Can you get tables to work with those metatabled-things as keys? |
| 15:19.26 | Sharparam | so like |
| 15:19.43 | Sharparam | mytbl = {} mytable[tuple(1, 2)] = 'foo' ? |
| 15:20.18 | Sharparam | and then mytbl[tuple(1, 2)] will update it, rather than a new entry |
| 15:26.52 | VIad | thats not a metatable |
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| 15:32.26 | Sharparam | he said with metatabled things as keys (assuming as keys in a regular table) |
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| 15:34.07 | foxlit | Sharparam: yes, like that. |
| 15:39.54 | karl_w_w | http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/innocent-mistake-greets-alice-springs-schools-jewish-guests--hitler-on-parade-20160909-grcu3e.html |
| 15:40.36 | Sharparam | i'm not sure if tables can be modified to treat value-identical tables as the same key... |
| 15:40.42 | Sharparam | it's not using the __eq method at least |
| 15:40.45 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: Awesome. |
| 15:42.14 | Sharparam | foxlit: i got this far: http://rfl.im/Qf |
| 15:42.30 | nevcairiel | you could make the wrapper table be special with __index and __newindex |
| 15:42.37 | nevcairiel | but he might want to store them in generic tables |
| 15:42.50 | Sharparam | yes, i think he wants to be able to store in any regular ol' table? |
| 15:46.47 | foxlit | "implement hash tables yourself" is a long way down the list of preferable solutions. |
| 15:47.26 | Sharparam | depends on usage i guess |
| 15:47.33 | Sharparam | if you control all the storage tables then why not? |
| 15:48.00 | Constie | Today in search queries for WoW addons that I didn't think through: http://i.imgur.com/kgyJK1x.png |
| 15:48.30 | Sharparam | well, are you ashamed of who you are? |
| 15:49.01 | Constie | Nope, so not relevant to me. |
| 15:51.12 | foxlit | It's... too much of boring code, I guess. |
| 15:52.49 | foxlit | I do control the only place where tuple -> value map is used, but the number of lines I'm prepared to write to make it work is like 10+-5. |
| 15:57.38 | Sharparam | "Serializing the two tables into strings is the solution Roberto Ierusalimschy (chief architect of Lua) recommends for indexing by content in Programming in Lua 2nd Edition." |
| 15:57.49 | Sharparam | s/two // |
| 15:57.57 | foxlit | (because the "serialize to string, deserialize on use" strategy takes like 2 lines if done badly, and like 5 if I cache some of it) |
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| 16:08.22 | foxlit | Also mildly annoying: trying to equip an equiment manager set which includes an artifact not fit for your current spec fails to equip any items at all. |
| 16:08.59 | foxlit | Would be better if it just skipped the artifact and equipped everything else. |
| 16:10.01 | LexSfX | sounds like a bug, as that doesn't happen with outfitter |
| 16:10.33 | LexSfX | and obviously isn't desirable behavior |
| 16:10.43 | Sharparam | foxlit: http://rfl.im/Qm |
| 16:11.20 | foxlit | Sharparam: also wow runs 5.1 :) |
| 16:11.30 | Sharparam | i don't think this is using any 5.2-exclusive code |
| 16:13.56 | Sharparam | i have a feeling that this has horrible performance though |
| 16:14.02 | Sharparam | https://gist.github.com/Sharparam/c656331844c407ab8bac44c2a8aae333 |
| 16:17.15 | Shockah | foxlit, make the set ignore your hand slots |
| 16:17.22 | Shockah | the artifact changes automatically anyway |
| 16:17.25 | Shockah | when you switch specs |
| 16:17.35 | foxlit | weapon slots. |
| 16:17.40 | Shockah | hand/weapon |
| 16:17.41 | Shockah | whatever |
| 16:18.16 | Sharparam | the annoying thing with the ignore function is that it doesn't seem to save properly |
| 16:18.30 | Sharparam | if i update the set later the ignore is always cleared |
| 16:20.44 | foxlit | Shockah: yes, fixing the set would work. Imagine for a second that I'm writing an addon which let's you switch spec and gear with a single button click; you point it to a set (or just name it something obvious), and it does the rest. |
| 16:21.10 | foxlit | It would be terribly disappointing if that scheme failed to work because the user of that addon, lacking the foresight to work around api limitations, didn't set their sets to ignore weapon slots :) |
| 16:22.10 | LexSfX | definitely should be fixed on Blizzard's side, but we do what we can ;o |
| 16:22.38 | Constie | I just wrote this, which I think covers all my personal use cases: http://pastebin.com/Ry13Kvwh |
| 16:28.42 | foxlit | I wonder if I can the ignore in immediately before use. |
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| 16:38.31 | Sharparam | foxlit: fwiw, this is what i ended up with: https://github.com/Sharparam/AssortedScripts/blob/master/lua/tuples.lua (immutable tuples too, this is probably horribly slow if you were to use a lot of them though) |
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| 18:15.51 | Primer | Kesava: BTW, when I use the code in the gist in kuinameplates-customs, I'm still seeing all enemy debuffs |
| 18:15.58 | Primer | not just the two in the filter |
| 18:16.43 | Kesava | you mean, on that frame? |
| 18:16.48 | Primer | yes |
| 18:17.18 | Primer | http://pastebin.com/PtsJSkQv |
| 18:17.24 | Primer | unless I didn't do it correctly |
| 18:17.49 | Kesava | the frame wouldn't exist if you didn't do it correctly |
| 18:17.52 | Kesava | can you take a screenshot |
| 18:17.56 | Primer | sure |
| 18:18.39 | Primer | I was playing around with making the icon more pronounced, hence the small changes to location and size |
| 18:18.46 | Primer | but other than that the code is there verbatim |
| 18:19.53 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: not sure why https://haste.smb.wtf/izujusamuqudizuzunokoxaqabutum |
| 18:22.10 | Sharparam | "Notify IRC", "Notified #sb-haste", wat be this |
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| 18:28.36 | Miiru | i just did my first dungeon and noticed that some nameplates on bosses seem to be way bigger than the normal ones, is there a cvar to disable this? |
| 18:45.44 | Kesava | nameplatemaxscale/nameplateminscale |
| 18:45.48 | Kesava | (or something to that effect) |
| 18:45.55 | Kesava | Semlar: |
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| 18:57.00 | Miiru | thank you, will try |
| 19:11.26 | Thunder_Child | Hmm, with this app I am spending mission resources faster then I am generating them. |
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| 19:35.26 | ls- | In Patch 7.1 there may be some logic changes to how items are sorted on the auction house. Right now stacks are sorted by total cost rather than cost per unit. Hopefully in Patch 7.1 the auction house will be able to sort by unit price instead, allowing you to see the cheapest items first. |
| 19:35.32 | ls- | Finally! |
| 19:36.07 | Constie | All thanks to Semlar complaining about it. |
| 19:50.48 | Ketho | Thanks Semlar, now the AH isn't flooded with x1 stacks of premium shrooms anymore |
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| 19:51.07 | Ammako | until they start putting them as stacks of 1 except at cheapest prices :p |
| 19:52.03 | ls- | but it's like 4 months till 7.1 T_T |
| 19:53.38 | ls- | I really hope that by the end of Legion or in 8.0 they'll revamp AH API |
| 19:56.47 | Andols2 | Ammko:Isn't that what they are doing already? |
| 19:59.34 | Ammako | perhaps, but if they are priced higher than the bigger stacks, come 7.1 they wouldnt be fillling upt he first pages anymore |
| 20:01.53 | Kesava | Primer: could you also paste the output of /dump KuiNameplatesCore.config.profile for me, just in case. |
| 20:02.02 | Primer | sure |
| 20:02.12 | Primer | I still haven't had the time to look for the problem |
| 20:04.46 | zenzelezz | damnit Youtube, I'll watch your ads, just stop choosing the 4.6 minute song ad every time |
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| 20:35.05 | Ammako | what's a decent image host other than imgur? it refuses to work for me anymore |
| 20:40.33 | Ssateneth | Sharparam is a winrar |
| 20:40.46 | Sharparam | wut |
| 20:47.48 | zenzelezz | often split into several smaller pieces and distributed in questionable manners? |
| 20:48.24 | Ssateneth | Hopefully in Patch 7.1 the auction house will be able to sort by unit price instead, allowing you to see the cheapest items first. |
| 20:48.26 | Ssateneth | yessssssssss |
| 20:49.53 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/Q4 |
| 20:49.54 | Sharparam | hmmmm |
| 20:50.43 | Sharparam | the npc name is how some people would say my name on voip :L |
| 20:51.00 | Ssateneth | sketchy as fuck |
| 20:54.09 | ls- | damn, it's so annoying that GetItemInfoInstant returns data for items that aren't available to players, e.g. some NPCs' weapons, but GetItemInfo doesn't, and I really hoped to remove invalid IDs this way, ugh... |
| 20:54.36 | ls- | talking about items like this one http://www.wowhead.com/item=52526 rn |
| 20:56.04 | ls- | oh well, at least I can remove bogus item IDs from my db |
| 21:05.28 | modernist | Ammako, belatedly, cubeupload.com |
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| 21:48.56 | Semlar | does it ever stop giving me low level missions since my followers are all 110 |
| 21:49.27 | Semlar | my active ones anyway |
| 21:55.11 | bshelden | I have the opposite issue. Missions I simply cannot do (ilvl requirement so high I can't possibly get my chance above 0% before expiry) |
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| 21:57.41 | Semlar | maybe i have to upgrade them to a higher item level to unlock those? |
| 21:57.54 | Semlar | what's the highest ilevel follower you have |
| 21:58.02 | bshelden | Base. No eq added to anybody |
| 21:58.10 | bshelden | So 740? The quest in question is 810 |
| 21:58.10 | Semlar | hm neither have i |
| 21:58.20 | Semlar | i think it's 760 base |
| 21:58.38 | bshelden | Ok, so that. The mission is -15%, and nobody can affect is since they're trivialized by the ilvl difference. |
| 21:58.42 | Semlar | they gave me one rare quest immediately when i got my class hall, it was virtually impossible and i failed it |
| 21:58.52 | Semlar | and i've gotten nothing interesting since |
| 21:59.06 | bshelden | I did get a couple gear pieces since, so I might be able to get it above 0 before it espires tomorrow. |
| 21:59.11 | bshelden | wow, typing fail more than normal today |
| 21:59.29 | Thunder_Child | Your skill is espiring. |
| 21:59.46 | bshelden | I think my brain-to-fingers module is, anyway. |
| 22:03.24 | zenzelezz | so why are ~half of the in-game cinematics in Legion subtitled, and the other half not? |
| 22:04.40 | LexSfX | sheer oversight, i'm guessing |
| 22:05.16 | LexSfX | i mean, Blizzard normally cares about that sort of thing, but i guess that's a part that got missed |
| 22:06.11 | Sharparam | literally unplayable |
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| 22:39.57 | Sharparam | Xavius just spawned twice in this cutscene and started speaking his lines twice with a delay... |
| 22:46.11 | Mr_Rabies | the legion's powers truly are infinite |
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| 23:57.33 | Primer | Anyone know if you can permanently resize the damn talking head frame? |
| 23:58.43 | Primer | Oh, MoveAnything has resizers...never noticed |
