| 00:14.37 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_083116_031417.jpg |
| 00:15.30 | Semlar | spiders can't use selfie cameras |
| 00:28.35 | kd3 | huh. no new quest in dalaran/class halls for 104? |
| 00:31.17 | Mr_Rabies | what all does the order hall frame do? show you Garri- I mean order hall resources, location, and map button? |
| 00:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/artifact-butt |
| 00:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | well |
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| 01:00.14 | harl | why do i sometimes have to right-click objects twice before they activate.. is it a control setting of some sort or can it be a bug |
| 01:03.55 | Semlar | is someone else using them? |
| 01:06.53 | harl | nah |
| 01:08.38 | harl | i guess there could be phased people i can't see, so i'm not sure |
| 01:08.44 | znf | thanks blizzard |
| 01:08.50 | znf | warden quests are still buggy in live |
| 01:20.17 | Xuerian | I __really__ wish blizzard would drop the "hero" in dialog vs playername in text thing. It isn't helpful, and this hero-worship crap that showed up big time in WoD is totally discordant with how the game actually works |
| 01:21.20 | Xuerian | It's not a solo RPG, I want to feel like part of something bigger not the "PC" in that wreck it ralph shooter game |
| 01:34.02 | Xuerian | Oh boy, I hadn't started an artifact quest, looks like I should just stop complaining while there's still some part of me that's not crystallized salt. |
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| 01:41.20 | Torhal | complains about Xuerian being an anti-hero. |
| 01:41.21 | Torhal | >.> |
| 01:41.48 | Xuerian | grumbles incoherently |
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| 01:45.13 | Ketho | Xuerian: would be fun if we could be the "bad" hero like Wreck-it Ralph for once |
| 01:45.41 | Ketho | like, join the Legion |
| 01:46.00 | Xuerian | Well, we did let guldan and his buddies out last time |
| 01:46.16 | Xuerian | instead of just, you know. shanking them |
| 01:46.27 | Xuerian | But yeah, that'd be neat too |
| 01:46.44 | Ketho | or wait, we can be Illidan |
| 01:59.20 | harl | isn't illidan kinda ill? |
| 02:03.10 | znf | illidan is dead, for the moment |
| 02:04.33 | Ketho | merely a setback |
| 02:04.44 | Stanzilla | illidan will lead the burning legion by the end of the expansion though |
| 02:18.32 | znf | he is? |
| 02:18.40 | znf | I thought we're resurrecting him to be on our side |
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| 02:28.52 | kd3 | we didn't get to him first... gul'dan did |
| 02:29.51 | Stanzilla | znf: the legion will be allies |
| 02:29.57 | Stanzilla | against the next big thing(TM) |
| 02:29.58 | Stanzilla | the void |
| 02:30.58 | Stanzilla | I should not have phrased that with that much certainty though |
| 02:31.02 | Stanzilla | but that's the current thinking |
| 02:32.06 | foxlit | but how would a troll raid fit into _that_? |
| 02:33.10 | foxlit | (alternative: we fedex illidan to wherever med'an went and carry on with reasonably-sized threats |
| 02:35.39 | znf | void trolls |
| 02:35.39 | znf | doh |
| 02:36.03 | znf | space trolls! |
| 02:36.30 | znf | Stanzilla knows nothing |
| 02:36.38 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 02:36.41 | znf | it's obvious that the new new expansion will be something about lich king |
| 02:40.15 | znf | Synopsis: After global warming melted northerend, the lich king relocated under water, but something happens - he loses control over the scourge! |
| 02:40.23 | znf | New expansion! Everything is underwater! |
| 02:46.28 | Xuerian | Azshara throws some minions at you and doesn't do anything else, as normal |
| 02:48.03 | Torhal | znf: WoD was TBC: II - Part 1. Legion is TBC: II - Part 2 |
| 02:48.14 | Torhal | So yeah, probably two WotLK: II expansions next |
| 02:50.44 | harl | Azmodan + Azshara.. |
| 02:56.19 | znf | ...those Leafbeard quests |
| 02:56.29 | znf | I always seem to draw the short stick |
| 02:58.00 | znf | (ie: the shittiest random abilities) |
| 03:33.31 | kd3 | looks like the DDoS finally started? |
| 03:33.47 | Xuerian | Oh, so it's not just me not being able to fight back against the mobs |
| 03:33.56 | Xuerian | Good thing too, I just got to the first area, can't have that |
| 03:34.02 | Xuerian | is pretty sure it's all about him. |
| 03:36.52 | nebula | server seem back to being good |
| 03:36.55 | nebula | pretty short ddos |
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| 04:01.06 | znf | and rip kazzak |
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| 04:02.33 | znf | rip EU, actually |
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| 04:04.59 | Xuerian | US checking in, RIP here too |
| 04:38.07 | foxlit | hm, he really does teleport you to the depths of the great sea |
| 04:55.29 | znf | people are trying to be helpful |
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| 04:55.35 | znf | "there's a point north-west" |
| 04:55.39 | znf | coords, motherfucker, do you have them |
| 04:56.30 | Primer | sure it wasn't top left? |
| 05:07.22 | znf | *poof* EU login |
| 05:07.39 | A-KO | the FB streams are such shit quality |
| 05:07.41 | A-KO | seriously :( |
| 05:09.59 | Trela | Huh, I just figured out Firefox can load itself inside a tab of itself. |
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| 05:14.59 | Constie | Aww, lagged out right at the end of my last artifact quest. |
| 05:15.00 | znf | I'm seriously wondering what the fuck is going on |
| 05:15.04 | znf | launch day was perfect |
| 05:15.12 | znf | now the servers crash every 15 minutes |
| 05:16.08 | Constie | They were throwing money at the servers from the start, and then when everything seemed fine they figured they could stop, but they were wrong. |
| 05:17.33 | mfgmfg | their DDOS budget probably ran out |
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| 06:03.47 | tz | they were still levelling to 110 |
| 06:03.52 | tz | now that they've hit it back to DDOS |
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| 06:44.24 | _Kee | Can StatusBar be animated somehow so it decreases smoothly? |
| 06:44.43 | _Kee | LibSmoothStatusBar-1.0 does not works for me at all |
| 06:45.15 | _Kee | And my custom implementation ends with stack overflow |
| 06:45.53 | foxlit | is it at least overflowing with joy? |
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| 06:46.34 | _Kee | unfortunatelly, it's overflowing with bad, res lua errors |
| 06:46.41 | _Kee | s/res/red |
| 06:47.07 | foxlit | That does not sound optimal. |
| 06:47.21 | foxlit | Have you tried... not recursing indefinitely? |
| 06:47.49 | _Kee | yup, this is the issue. I have no idea how to call a function every, let's say 0.02s |
| 06:48.27 | _Kee | AceTimer-3.0 works with seconds, not milliseconds |
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| 06:49.06 | Ssateneth | well the c timer ticker can do that |
| 06:49.18 | foxlit | well, you could probably claim that you want a timer to trigger every 0.002 seconds. |
| 06:49.34 | Ssateneth | 0.002 why not do onupdate then |
| 06:51.01 | foxlit | I initially had even more zeroes. |
| 06:51.01 | _Kee | onupdate triggers often than when using :SetValue()? |
| 06:51.24 | foxlit | onupdate triggers on every rendered frame. |
| 06:51.49 | Andols | _Kee: https://wow.gamepedia.com/API_C_Timer.After |
| 06:51.54 | _Kee | oh, that will propably solve my problem then, didn't completelly think about it. |
| 06:51.59 | Andols | Look at this pretty thing :) |
| 06:52.57 | _Kee | but in this case, C_Timer.After can be better to handle all StatusBars at once |
| 06:53.01 | _Kee | thanks a lot! |
| 06:55.12 | ls- | why not C_Timer.NewTicker? |
| 06:55.45 | ls- | ah, ok, read prev comments, sry T_T |
| 06:57.10 | znf | I have slain dozens of dangerous creatures |
| 06:57.17 | znf | I have killed dragon aspects |
| 06:57.22 | znf | I have saved the world countless times |
| 06:57.26 | znf | ...and now I'm herding kittens |
| 06:58.09 | foxlit | nonononono, you didn't do any of those things. |
| 06:58.19 | foxlit | see previous discussion re you not being a hero. |
| 06:58.46 | foxlit | so kittens seem like respectable employment. |
| 07:00.42 | znf | oh right, servers haven't crashed in a while |
| 07:00.45 | znf | it was just about time |
| 07:01.31 | foxlit | perfectly stable for me, btw. Move from failrealm? :) |
| 07:02.50 | ls- | failrealm? O_o |
| 07:05.01 | foxlit | hm, all of my arch sites decided to move zone. That seems weird. |
| 07:20.52 | foxlit | Also the new "dig here" indication is really nice. |
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| 07:24.44 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/a5yEHJR.jpg |
| 07:24.57 | znf | foxlit, all realms that are not high pop are failrealms |
| 07:28.12 | znf | interesting |
| 07:28.27 | znf | our realm is #5 now |
| 07:29.59 | bluipodcow | In? |
| 07:30.05 | znf | EU |
| 07:30.12 | bluipodcow | For? |
| 07:30.13 | znf | population |
| 07:30.23 | Gnarfoz | *guesstimate population |
| 07:30.31 | znf | obviously |
| 07:30.36 | bluipodcow | Do a barrel roll! |
| 07:45.43 | znf | how the hell do you even get here? http://i.imgur.com/vyf5N7E.png |
| 07:45.55 | znf | I couldn't find a way on beta, either |
| 07:52.52 | znf | ...why are there quest mobs here |
| 07:52.53 | znf | wtf |
| 07:54.43 | znf | there's some blacksmithing stuff here |
| 07:54.48 | znf | the plot thickens |
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| 07:56.01 | Constie | Very carefully. |
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| 08:31.26 | ls- | omg, found a dude, Marcus, who sleeps w/ tauren in HM :D ahahaha |
| 08:31.42 | ls- | when you spot him, he gets up and says "Marcus says: Well, that was certainly unexpected." |
| 08:34.42 | VIad | hmm.. I noticed A LOT of quests that have a map POI location but no minimap :/ |
| 08:34.56 | VIad | it's really annoying, so bad I have to consider updating QuestPointer for personal use :p |
| 08:35.01 | VIad | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/questpointer |
| 08:35.15 | VIad | this was not an issue in wod, so it's odd it is now tbh |
| 08:38.05 | ls- | yeah, iirc, that wasn't an issue in beta either... |
| 08:48.38 | Shockah|Work | VIad, yeah i'm having that issue too |
| 08:48.44 | Shockah|Work | so do all of my friends |
| 08:48.47 | Shockah|Work | annoying |
| 08:49.01 | VIad | I use the map but it's a bit lame to constantly have to open map to double check each quest :p |
| 08:49.05 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 08:49.16 | Shockah|Work | having to zoom in on the world map |
| 08:49.17 | Shockah|Work | bleh |
| 08:49.24 | VIad | at least you can since wod :p |
| 08:49.48 | Shockah|Work | count me interested if you were to update the addon |
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| 08:58.19 | VIad | Kemayo: questpointer has a new purpose |
| 09:00.41 | Shockah|Work | seems like the TOC was updated to Legion on wowace |
| 09:00.44 | Shockah|Work | so... maybe it works? |
| 09:00.52 | Shockah|Work | can't test for another 1.5h |
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| 09:46.31 | LexSfX | Semlar: thanks for implementing the feature i requested in MapLine! :) |
| 09:56.14 | _Kee | UnitAura should return boolean if it's 6th argument (duration) is affected by Pandemic or not⦠:( |
| 09:56.43 | LexSfX | isn't it common to use 1 or nil? |
| 09:57.20 | Gnarfoz | since 1 is true, that also works |
| 09:57.30 | Gnarfoz | but using numbers instead of booleans is just /wrong/ :P |
| 09:57.59 | LexSfX | yet Blizzard uses them for return values all over the place |
| 10:02.40 | karl_w_w | its really fucking annoying that searching for something in windows, selecting one of the folder results, and then pressing the up button takes you back to the search results |
| 10:02.58 | karl_w_w | whats the point in having up in addition to back if up isnt going to do what it's supposed to |
| 10:03.25 | LexSfX | yes, the windows search GUI sucks as of windows vista and beyond |
| 10:04.40 | LexSfX | it has been more than 9 years since windows vista was released though, so there are plenty of alternative search GUIs available for windows now |
| 10:12.10 | _Kee | ok since I found only a few topics with same question and no answer, Q: Is it possible to find out if UnitAura duration is already affected by Pandemic (all classes, 30% more DoT/HoT duration) mechanic or not? |
| 10:18.22 | LexSfX | _Kee: if you track its freshness and change in duration on reapplication yourself, yes |
| 10:18.43 | LexSfX | that's a guaranteed method if none is provided |
| 10:19.04 | LexSfX | whether one is certainly provided, i'm not sure, so that is yet to be answered |
| 10:19.53 | _Kee | hmm⦠what if I login during combat with dot being already applied, am I able to check if it's fresh? |
| 10:20.39 | LexSfX | for those, you can assume it is not fresh |
| 10:20.56 | LexSfX | if you didn't see its combat log entry for initial application |
| 10:21.22 | Xuerian | Could always scan the tooltip of the creating spell, too.. |
| 10:21.46 | Xuerian | Though that still doesn't answer if there's a correct, straightforward way. |
| 10:22.40 | _Kee | well, that's a great idea actually! |
| 10:26.13 | _Kee | "over Xs" where X matches either /^\d+$/ or /^\d+\. \d$/ looks being in every dot spell's tooltip (at least on afflock) |
| 10:26.40 | _Kee | that's quite better than tracking unreliable "dot freshness" status. |
| 10:27.34 | _Kee | well, I'll use this method with tooltips I think, thanks a lot. When I'll write an util, i'll post on forums. |
| 10:30.18 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: can you blacklist the Suramar Withered training scenario from QuickQuest? ^^ |
| 10:30.31 | p3lim | link to npc |
| 10:30.42 | Gnarfoz | all the treasure chests in there :\ |
| 10:31.14 | Gnarfoz | if you click one, it takes X withered to port the chest out, and if that brings you under the Y amount of withered you need to remain inside, it ends the scenario |
| 10:31.55 | p3lim | how late into suramar is this? |
| 10:32.21 | Gnarfoz | pretty early, I'd say? no idea. I started doing it yesterday |
| 10:32.35 | Gnarfoz | I guess you could go without unlocking it for weeks! :D |
| 10:33.46 | p3lim | I just hit 110 last night so I haven't gotten far into suramar |
| 10:42.47 | VIad | Gnarfoz: 1nil was the standard a while ago, but I agree it can be misleading to what data that is if 1nil is used. though usually if the api is like IsUsable then 1nil is okay, but if its a series of return params I'd also use true/false for clarity :d |
| 10:43.05 | Gnarfoz | thanks for your input >_> |
| 10:43.12 | VIad | you're welcome |
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| 10:50.14 | jnwhiteh | Anyone with a US VPN or connection willing to check something for me? |
| 10:50.30 | jnwhiteh | I want to rent a car from EWR (Newark airport) from 14th September to 19th September. |
| 10:50.44 | jnwhiteh | and I'm trying to see how the pricing differs if I book from here |
| 10:52.12 | karl_w_w | tunnelbear gives you 500 mb for free each month, jnwhiteh |
| 10:52.21 | jnwhiteh | I have a shell at home |
| 10:52.25 | jnwhiteh | just don't have access to it at work |
| 10:52.30 | jnwhiteh | and looking to book today before I go home :P |
| 10:52.43 | jnwhiteh | I don't have my personal private key at work for some reason |
| 10:54.29 | jnwhiteh | so I'm crowdsourcing :P |
| 10:56.45 | Kalroth | i can check from a Danish IP! |
| 10:58.26 | jnwhiteh | I can check from a Swedish IP |
| 10:58.29 | jnwhiteh | Obviously > Danish |
| 10:58.40 | Kalroth | !! |
| 10:58.50 | Kalroth | dont make me come over there |
| 10:59.08 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:09.13 | Torhal | [01:48:27] _Kee:AceTimer-3.0 works with seconds, not milliseconds <-- Those drugs. What are they? Can I get some? |
| 11:09.28 | Torhal | AceTimer works down to 0.01 second. |
| 11:10.27 | _Kee | 0.01s is not a millisecond |
| 11:10.34 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: EWR? |
| 11:10.43 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: newark airport, yeah |
| 11:11.39 | _Kee | 1 millisecond is 0.001s, not 0.01s |
| 11:12.02 | Torhal | Ok, I just woke up and I read "it only does seconds" so lolol |
| 11:12.09 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Preference? |
| 11:12.16 | jnwhiteh | cheap =) |
| 11:12.25 | jnwhiteh | reasonably reputable company |
| 11:13.01 | Torhal | Well, there is Budget, Enterprise, National Car, and this is just skimming the first page of Google results |
| 11:13.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah just looking for an estimate for those five days |
| 11:13.31 | jnwhiteh | so I know if it's worth waiting until I get home |
| 11:14.36 | VIad | I just won 0.0000001 million usd :o |
| 11:14.40 | VIad | awesome |
| 11:15.31 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Budget starts at $227 for those days (pickup at noon) |
| 11:15.51 | jnwhiteh | ah that's not bad at all, actually |
| 11:16.00 | jnwhiteh | where/how on google are you searching? |
| 11:16.11 | Torhal | "cheap car rentals at ewr airport" |
| 11:16.18 | jnwhiteh | hahaha |
| 11:16.25 | jnwhiteh | well thanks :P |
| 11:16.31 | Torhal | :D |
| 11:17.45 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: http://take.ms/8CNeX etc |
| 11:17.57 | VIad | renting cars at airports, is it still a good deal? customer service? |
| 11:18.58 | VIad | Torhal: why are the headings not capitalized, except "Intermediate"? |
| 11:19.01 | Torhal | So looks ike $130 more AT the airport |
| 11:19.15 | Torhal | VIad: Do I look like I work for Budget? |
| 11:19.29 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 11:19.30 | VIad | I guess it only annoyed me |
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| 11:40.26 | Shockah|Work | VIad, QuestPointer works |
| 11:40.49 | Shockah|Work | the icon on minimap had a wrong digit, but it works |
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| 11:46.35 | Gnarfoz | none of my minimap icon numbers line up with the quest tracker numbers... what's up with that anyway? nevcairiel? |
| 11:47.22 | nevcairiel | why would I know that |
| 11:47.32 | Gnarfoz | dunno, I use Quester! :D |
| 11:47.51 | Gnarfoz | (znf style question) |
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| 12:03.29 | VIad | the questpointer author is here, and I mentioned his name earlier, so hopefully he can look at it :p Kemayo |
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| 12:12.23 | Phixion | :) |
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| 12:45.04 | Gnarfoz | you think it's that? |
| 12:45.12 | Gnarfoz | oh I misread what it does :D |
| 12:45.27 | Gnarfoz | I always thought it's just for the tomtom integration (which doesn't seem to work for me anyway) |
| 12:45.48 | Gnarfoz | ...because I disabled it years ago when TomTom was broken for several months, I guess :D |
| 12:47.32 | Gnarfoz | in that case: Kemayo, what's up with that?! :P |
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| 13:05.58 | Kemayo | Vlad / Gnarfoz: Not sure, I guess I can look into it later today. :P |
| 13:10.27 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane ran away from me. *le sad* |
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| 13:29.44 | Shockah|Work | i guess i won't be able to play WoW at work much longer :S played for 1 hour on my break - managed to restart my Mac in a BSOD-like way (no idea what you call that on Macs, second time i ever saw that) and then i had video artifacts |
| 13:29.52 | Shockah|Work | hehe, get it? artifacts |
| 13:29.52 | Shockah|Work | http://i.imgur.com/QNFTeme.png |
| 13:30.10 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: Did you force him to watch F grade movies? |
| 13:30.40 | Lopeppeppy | If I did, I gave him popcorn so I really don't see why he's complaining. |
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| 13:31.37 | Thunder_Child | I'm not sure popcorn can make up for things like http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1524134/ |
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| 13:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | No, dude, that's classy good stuff. Have you watched Zoombies yet? That's F grade. |
| 13:33.40 | Thunder_Child | I see that and raise you "Birdemic: Shock and Terror" |
| 13:39.21 | mckenziemc | gives Thunder_Child electric shocks. |
| 13:39.33 | Thunder_Child | Oh baby. |
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| 13:41.09 | ls- | damn, boomkin's flap looks soooo cute :3 |
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| 14:01.55 | _Kee | if I made this Pandemic util and wanna share, should I post it in "Tutorials & Other Helpful Info." or just "General Authoring Discussion"? |
| 14:08.43 | _Kee | nvm posted in "Tutorials & Other Helpful Info." I hope moderators will eventually move it to correct place if it's a wrong one. |
| 14:13.59 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour, Fiskerboo. |
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| 14:43.57 | foxlit | In the most-uselesss-features department, the battlenet cooldown on reconnecting has actually stopped bothering to count down for me. |
| 14:46.04 | Thunder_Child | Broken != "most-uselesss-features." A "most-uselesss-features" item would be something akin to a screen door on a submarine. |
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| 14:47.58 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: I'm not calling it useless because it is broken; it's useless to begin with, and now it's also broken. |
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| 14:49.32 | Thunder_Child | Countdowns for reconnection times in general, or specifically bnet? |
| 14:50.16 | foxlit | This one in particular, since relaunching the battle.net client takes <1 second and it asks you to wait 60. |
| 14:52.24 | karl_w_w | I've had a tune in my head for hours and I've just worked out what it is |
| 14:52.28 | karl_w_w | the outer limits theme |
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| 14:54.46 | foxlit | http://www.deadlybossmods.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=171#p171 |
| 14:59.51 | foxlit | (I like how hilariously divorced from reality that whole thing is) |
| 15:00.04 | Semlar | dbm has a forum? |
| 15:00.32 | Kemayo | foxlit: I mean, it's not *useless*. It's just serving needs other than "getting you connected as quickly as possible"; specifically, it's advancing the cause of not slamming their login servers whenever there's a glitch. |
| 15:00.53 | Thunder_Child | Idea 2 is never going to happen. |
| 15:01.20 | foxlit | Kemayo: it's as useless as a lock on a door next to another open door. |
| 15:02.18 | foxlit | "But I might want to lock it and then people wouldn't steal my stuff!" "Yes, sure, but they'd really just use the other door." |
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| 15:04.03 | Kemayo | In the case of something knocking down the login server, a setup where some-to-most people are waiting 60 seconds between retries is probably better than one where everyone is retrying constantly. |
| 15:04.52 | foxlit | "But some people are idiots and wouldn't notice that open door!" |
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| 15:10.14 | foxlit | In short, I'm aware of the thundering herd problem. It's just frustrating because the cooldown triggers when it shouldn't (waking from sleep) far more often than actual server issues occur. |
| 15:13.11 | foxlit | (and yes, maybe that cooldown is actually responsible for avoiding the server issues in the first place, but I'm just going to take a guess and assume that things only very rarely get to the point where it would actually come into play legitimately) |
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| 15:21.28 | Thunder_Child | I don't think I have ever encountered the timer you are talking about. |
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| 15:24.58 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.58 | foxlit | Pretty much always happens to me if I click "Connect" soon after the client realizes it has lost connection after waking the PC from sleep. |
| 15:26.48 | foxlit | (which happens like 15 seconds after wake; the rest of the system obviously has network connectivity during this time) |
| 15:27.38 | foxlit | maybe I should write something to just kill the client before going to sleep; relaunching it is clearly faster. |
| 15:28.59 | Thunder_Child | For me, with win10 and an ssd, shutting down is just just as fast as resuming from sleep. |
| 15:29.27 | Thunder_Child | Plus it clears out the cruft. |
| 15:29.46 | foxlit | resume from sleep is instant. |
| 15:29.57 | foxlit | Booting... is not instant. |
| 15:30.14 | foxlit | (you might be thinking of hibernate?) |
| 15:30.19 | Thunder_Child | I was thin...yea |
| 15:32.54 | Thunder_Child | Maybe there is an option to keep the network alive in sleep mode? |
| 15:45.56 | Gnarfoz | some of the "fast boot" things that exist today are very close to resume times today |
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| 15:59.34 | Seeker` | Has anyone worked out how to get the correct ilvl for Legion items? |
| 16:02.50 | Semlar | from their tooltip? |
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| 16:06.37 | Seeker` | Manually parse the ilvl from the tooltip text from a given itemlink? |
| 16:07.30 | Semlar | i think they said something about eventually fixing GetItemInfo to return the correct item level |
| 16:07.44 | Semlar | but that wouldn't be until at least 7.1 |
| 16:10.12 | Seeker` | eugh |
| 16:10.23 | Seeker` | I guess there isn't much chance of releasing their code that calculates it internally |
| 16:10.59 | Semlar | is parsing the tooltip a problem |
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| 16:11.23 | Seeker` | Semlar: it's expensive? |
| 16:11.59 | Semlar | it's not great but it's not going to be noticeable under normal circumstances |
| 16:19.34 | Gnarfoz | TipTac just got fixed for that, you could look at what they changed |
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| 16:27.53 | Seeker` | Gnarfoz: That uses tooltip scanning |
| 16:29.18 | Gnarfoz | Seeker`: well, that's just terrible (but also kind of understandable for a tooltip addon) |
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| 16:44.32 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.47 | nevcairiel | froim the rare gems that ios |
| 16:44.49 | nevcairiel | -o |
| 16:53.31 | Gnarfoz | I've got some purple ones, and they're just from prospecting |
| 16:53.44 | Gnarfoz | green, too |
| 16:53.55 | Gnarfoz | and orange! |
| 16:53.57 | nevcairiel | unlucky seems odd, but i guess |
| 16:53.59 | Gnarfoz | just unlucky? |
| 16:54.01 | Gnarfoz | dunno |
| 16:54.09 | Gnarfoz | I can't defeat Lil'idan |
| 17:01.10 | Torhal | I forget how to aim those special "projectile" items/quest things. I haven't done it since Cataclysm, and there is no explanation anywhere. |
| 17:01.35 | Andols | Hold right mouse button? :P |
| 17:01.52 | Torhal | I'll try that if I ever go back to do the quest I walked away from 10 minutes ago. |
| 17:01.53 | Torhal | :D |
| 17:02.19 | Andols | :D |
| 17:02.52 | TheDanW | API requests that have been approved and implemented for 7.1, with standard caveats about removal if exploits are found etc |
| 17:02.58 | TheDanW | C_NamePlate.SetNamePlateOtherSize is replaced by SetNamePlateFriendlySize and SetNamePlateEnemySize, the self size is the same as before |
| 17:03.07 | TheDanW | added C_NamePlate.SetNamePlateSelfClickThrough, C_NamePlate.SetNamePlateFriendlyClickThrough, C_NamePlate.SetNamePlateEnemyClickThrough and respective getters |
| 17:03.21 | TheDanW | added StartAutoRun and StopAutoRun and bindings for them, ToggleAutoRun still works like before |
| 17:04.19 | Seeker` | TheDanW: where's that from? |
| 17:04.28 | Thunder_Child | It's from him. |
| 17:04.29 | TheDanW | i just wrote it ;p |
| 17:04.37 | Seeker` | :O |
| 17:04.54 | Seeker` | doesn't know who TheDanW is |
| 17:05.17 | TheDanW | the one the only (for some definitions of only) DanW |
| 17:05.34 | TheDanW | i'm an UI engineer at Blizzard |
| 17:05.49 | Seeker` | for large values of only? |
| 17:06.24 | TheDanW | something like that |
| 17:07.16 | Seeker` | Well, Hi DanW |
| 17:07.24 | Infus | Kesava: I guess the above information is of interest to you |
| 17:07.37 | TheDanW | hello :) |
| 17:08.11 | Semlar | o.o |
| 17:08.32 | Thunder_Child | There is more than one UI engineer? I thought you were the only one. |
| 17:08.54 | TheDanW | also tagging VIad and LexSfX, i think they made some of these requests |
| 17:09.42 | Semlar | is there any way to show only friendly player nameplates without including npcs |
| 17:09.52 | TheDanW | there's actually like eight of us |
| 17:10.02 | Semlar | 8 dans? that must get confusing |
| 17:10.11 | TheDanW | indeed, we have "perfected" cloning |
| 17:10.26 | Semlar | how do you keep track of which one is you |
| 17:10.42 | TheDanW | Semlar: we're talking about adding a cvar to exclude npc friendlies, likely on by default |
| 17:10.50 | Semlar | oo |
| 17:11.38 | Andols | For nameplates? |
| 17:11.43 | TheDanW | yeah |
| 17:11.59 | Thunder_Child | Now I have this mental image of TheDanW as a bunch of Krieger's. |
| 17:12.48 | TheDanW | your authority is not recognized in fort kickass |
| 17:13.02 | Thunder_Child | heh. |
| 17:14.23 | Torhal | But Guill isn't a Dan. |
| 17:15.01 | Seeker` | TheDanW: are you able to give any insight in to how ilvl is calculated for the new legion items? |
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| 17:15.25 | TheDanW | which part? |
| 17:16.03 | Seeker` | Stuff with the upgradeTypeId set to 512. Stuff that shows up in the mobile AH with 810 ilvl, but when you log in to pick it up it is actually ilvl 75x |
| 17:18.12 | TheDanW | hrm, not sure why the mobile AH would show it incorrectly, i'll have to bring it up with them |
| 17:18.43 | nevcairiel | a lot of addons otherwise also fail with the ilvl of some of the new bonus ids |
| 17:18.56 | TheDanW | yeah, items got a lot more complicated in legion, there's several ways for ilvl to be adjusted |
| 17:19.02 | Seeker` | |cffa335ee|Hitem:141565::::::::1:259:512:25:1:3398:101:::|h[Mir's Enthralling Grasp]|h|r |
| 17:19.31 | Seeker` | An example itemLink (I think, that's from someone else as I'm stuck at work) |
| 17:24.10 | TheDanW | basically, there's a bunch of modifiers the item designers can set, these can have various chances to be applied, some are 100% in which case we always apply them when you look at them on the client |
| 17:24.13 | TheDanW | through the tooltip |
| 17:24.33 | TheDanW | if we don't have an instance of the item yet, we append the + to show that it could be higher |
| 17:24.58 | TheDanW | sounds like the mobile AH is interpreting the bonuses incorrectly and always applying one it shouldn't |
| 17:27.01 | Seeker` | It seems like that one I posted is a modification to the item though, with the default level being 810 and it being scaled down. It's not just the mobile AH that does it, lots of addons can't get the correct item level because GetItemInfo doesn't return an ilvl. I was wondering if you should share the method for working out that item is actually ilvl 759 |
| 17:27.38 | Seeker` | (The assumption that it is default 810 and scaling down based on the fact that it was :512: as the upgradeTypeID and :101:, which seems to be the players level) |
| 17:28.53 | TheDanW | its a bit more complicated than that, but something to that effect, we have an API request in to get the base ilvl and "effective" or "preview" ilvl, just haven't had time to do it |
| 17:30.40 | Andols | "magic" |
| 17:32.16 | foxlit | heh, wardens quests still don't properly award kill credit. |
| 17:32.40 | Guill | Semlar: No changes were made to the item level return of GetItemInfo in 7.1. I think you're thinking of the addition of the bonding type (BoE/BoP/etc.) |
| 17:33.15 | Semlar | hmm i distinctly remember someone mentioning providing the proper item level of an item through the api at some point |
| 17:33.36 | Semlar | maybe not for 7.1 |
| 17:34.00 | TheDanW | it's on the list to add, hasn't been done yet |
| 17:35.35 | Seeker` | i guess the actual calculation is somewhere hidden away and not accessible by us? |
| 17:36.23 | TheDanW | yeah, it would be fairly difficult to replicate and keep up to date |
| 17:37.39 | Seeker` | ok. tooltip scanning it is then :) thanks. |
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| 17:39.33 | Elkano | anyone else getting "C stack overflow" in SecureHandlers.lua? |
| 17:40.37 | Semlar | you probably have an infinite loop |
| 17:41.06 | zenzelezz | it's actually C'stack Overflow; you have too many old gods |
| 17:41.08 | Semlar | there's an addon (i don't know which) that causes it from hovering over your self nameplate |
| 17:41.51 | Elkano | yeah, seems to happen for nameplates, enemy's though |
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| 17:44.09 | foxlit | In any case, disable addons until you find the one responsible. |
| 17:47.00 | Elkano | sad thing os that it doesn't happen for all and it seems to only occure after some time |
| 17:47.10 | Sharparam | Elkano: i have that same issue |
| 17:47.53 | Elkano | you likely have fewer addons than I do, you can do the binary search ;) |
| 17:48.45 | Sharparam | 102 addons (curse client count) |
| 17:49.04 | Sharparam | still, it's rather annoying to reproduce since it usually takes a while for it to occur |
| 17:50.10 | Primer | Is there no way to make quest tracking only show the the quests relevant to the current zone? |
| 17:50.17 | Primer | I recall this used to be possible |
| 17:50.27 | nevcairiel | i think that got broken |
| 17:50.37 | Tentacled | Ha, just the person I need! nevcairiel! <3 Are you ready for happy news how HBD doesn't properly grab data for some zones at load time, and needs to be run at "player_entering_world" time or similar instead? :P |
| 17:51.15 | nevcairiel | none of my use-cases is broken :) |
| 17:53.00 | nevcairiel | also i'm a druid, i didnt notice any problems |
| 17:53.43 | Tentacled | Actually, my best use case is Druid-related. The Dreamgrove (1077) doesn't get nicely initialized on first login. It does work after a reload. |
| 17:54.35 | Tentacled | local x,y = HereBeDragons:TranslateZoneCoordinates(0.5,0.5,1077,0,1018,0) if not x or not y or abs(x-0.410)>0.1 or abs(y-0.267)>0.1 then print("The Dreamgrove didn't get initialized properly in HBD.") end |
| 17:54.51 | Tentacled | Fails for me every time on login, passes at every reload after that. |
| 17:55.22 | Infus | TheDanW: GetSpellCooldown("Fury of Elune") doens't work while the player has the "Fury of Elune" buff. Is that something that would be fixed, if I wrote a bug report in the wowinterface forums? |
| 17:59.31 | TheDanW | Infus: i can at the least point QA to it |
| 17:59.42 | Infus | if I write it up, right? |
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| 18:04.23 | Sharparam | Elkano: can you give a list of your addons and we can compare what we have in common? |
| 18:06.47 | TheDanW | Infus: that would be ideal, i can have them investigate from that point |
| 18:07.24 | Infus | thanks |
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| 18:12.06 | A-KO | omg they fixed professions |
| 18:12.59 | bshelden | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.08 | bshelden | grinds cooking so he can get past the current Reaves quest |
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| 18:14.40 | bshelden | Mrh, being grumpy. Very glad what they did with professions. |
| 18:14.50 | bshelden | I just wish those modules were done in fan-out style rather than sequentially. |
| 18:15.45 | Torhal | Oh, neat. Forced PvP in Dalaran. |
| 18:16.01 | bshelden | You can hire a bodyguard to opt out of that |
| 18:17.12 | Torhal | I just think the concept is silly. There are Arenas, BGs, and PvP realms for that type of thing. Having it forced on you in the course of just trying to play the game is No Thanks. |
| 18:17.56 | bshelden | You seem to be operating on a very different definition of forced than any I've seen in a dictionary |
| 18:18.18 | Torhal | "Sewer Guards, take a break" and then 10 seconds later I'm dead. |
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| 18:18.21 | Torhal | That's pretty forced. |
| 18:18.57 | bshelden | points at the bodyguard that keeps you safe. |
| 18:19.27 | bshelden | Just consider the sewers underwater and you went in without a water breathing pot. |
| 18:19.43 | Infus | TheDanW: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=318572#post318572 |
| 18:19.47 | Torhal | I don't know where this "bodyguard" is, and I don't think choosing a non-PvP real and choosing to not do BGs should force me to have to find this stuff. |
| 18:19.57 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 18:20.06 | Torhal | I'm just trying to play the game. This is weird. |
| 18:20.09 | Torhal | I was just saying. |
| 18:20.22 | Infus | TheDanW: btw, if you ever manage to find you way to germany, I'd buy you a beer |
| 18:21.13 | bshelden | shrugs |
| 18:21.17 | bshelden | sounds like you just want to be angry |
| 18:21.20 | bshelden | I'll leave you too it |
| 18:21.25 | bshelden | s/too/to |
| 18:21.25 | Semlar | forces torhal to afk in a battleground |
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| 18:23.37 | TheDanW | Infus: haha thanks, it's on the list of places to visit :) |
| 18:32.10 | Ressy | bshelden: Not everyone knows about Dalaran underbelly pvp when they're there for the first time. |
| 19:06.35 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwRW148Jys' |
| 19:06.38 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwRW148Jys |
| 19:06.45 | karl_w_w | quite the present |
| 19:08.30 | foxlit | oh hey, printed thesis copies. Now to figure the dark corner of the universe to stash them in. |
| 19:08.41 | foxlit | s/figure/find/ |
| 19:10.25 | PhatsoTGT | is there any BagAddon up and rising atm? |
| 19:11.53 | PhatsoTGT | there really needs to be an addon merging arkinventory and bagnon funcationality and speed |
| 19:14.27 | Andols | I think Eu is dying |
| 19:15.01 | Andols | TheDanW: Go and give the server a kick :P |
| 19:16.55 | Gnarfoz | hah |
| 19:16.58 | Gnarfoz | I was wondering what was going on |
| 19:17.01 | foxlit | studies have found that hamsters respond badly to shocks. |
| 19:17.10 | foxlit | kicking it might only make things worse. |
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| 19:18.14 | bshelden | Go with mana infusions. Then if they misbehave, start cutting them off. |
| 19:24.17 | TheDanW | Andols: maybe a bit too far from where i am ;p |
| 19:25.02 | Andols | But if you travel there you have a reason to get a beer from Infus :P |
| 19:25.47 | TheDanW | good point |
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| 19:37.35 | znf | Xe'ra be like, "we need to find illidan, else world is doomed, where is he?" |
| 19:37.46 | znf | and we're like, "uhm, how do we explain this... we killed him?" |
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| 19:39.00 | Thunder_Child | Just like how you killed Kael'thas the first time? |
| 19:39.14 | Thunder_Child | Or any of the other bosses that made their way back. |
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| 19:45.50 | bshelden | Drat. Was going to try to drop a tv trope, but I couldn't find the one I wanted to in three links, and if I don't follow that rule, I succumb to my own trap. |
| 19:46.19 | bshelden | Whichever one covers nobody stays dead if the plot demands. |
| 20:00.25 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: What was the problem with the withered training and QQ? |
| 20:01.54 | foxlit | fishing seems too quiet |
| 20:02.35 | Thunder_Child | It's supposed to be quiet. |
| 20:02.38 | Thunder_Child | And boring. |
| 20:04.09 | foxlit | Insightful. |
| 20:07.12 | Thunder_Child | Yup, that's me. |
| 20:11.09 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: there are chests in there that have a gossip option to send them to the surface. but that uses up some of the withered you have. which might really not be what you want... especially considering that if you run out of withered, the scenario ends. a big chest might do that in one go. :D |
| 20:11.24 | p3lim | Right |
| 20:13.37 | p3lim | I'll add an option to disable QQ for that scenario |
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| 20:17.33 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: <3 |
| 20:17.45 | p3lim | Actually, the chests have gossip |
| 20:17.51 | p3lim | I'll just get all the IDs |
| 20:20.03 | Gnarfoz | is that easier? ok ^^ |
| 20:23.27 | p3lim | Easier to implement |
| 20:23.31 | p3lim | Though requires a bit of data |
| 20:25.21 | p3lim | Oh there is a lot of them... |
| 20:25.22 | foxlit | Surely it's just a "Am I in this scenario? Do nothing then." |
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| 20:28.53 | foxlit | wait, owlkittens?! |
| 20:29.01 | p3lim | Probably easier, there's a lot of chests down there |
| 20:29.47 | foxlit | and now I want that as a skin for cat form. |
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| 20:35.24 | Semlar | there's more than one way to skin a cat form |
| 20:36.59 | bshelden | Plucking is on the list now, apparently. |
| 20:37.19 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=41197/youve-got-to-be-kitten-me-right-meow |
| 20:45.39 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: try out the version on github if you can |
| 20:54.44 | Semlar | this quest was practically made for torhal |
| 20:58.53 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: I cannot... because I have to wait 2 more days to do the scenario again ^^ |
| 20:59.00 | p3lim | :D |
| 21:02.46 | TheDanW | Seeker`: i just added GetDetailedItemLevelInfo("itemlink"), which returns the effective item level (same as tooltip), the preview item level (if non-zero means it would have a + in the tooltip), and the base item level just in case its useful |
| 21:03.01 | TheDanW | for 7.1 |
| 21:03.29 | Gnarfoz | you da man :D or da Dan, or something |
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| 21:16.07 | znf | oh my fucking god, thanks |
| 21:21.57 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: I seem to have found the cause of the trouble. Upon login, processZone(1077) ends up in the "MAPS_TO_REMAP" block, as SetMapByID(1077) doesn't exactly work yet. |
| 21:24.17 | nevcairiel | maybe i should just re-process those later |
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| 21:24.50 | Tentacled | Yeah, as they're not always just phased copies of something. |
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| 21:37.10 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: A rickety solution worked - re-running gatherMapData() after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, remembering to reset MAPS_TO_REMAP. |
| 21:39.46 | Seeker` | TheDanW: Awesome! |
| 21:40.02 | nevcairiel | Tentacled: i would rather just re-do those maps with issues =p |
| 21:42.36 | LexSfX | that is some sweet item-level getting |
| 21:43.34 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: I thought you didn't like hardcoding stuff :P |
| 21:43.41 | LexSfX | 2016-08-31 10:03:20 <TheDanW> added StartAutoRun and StopAutoRun and bindings for them, ToggleAutoRun still works like before |
| 21:43.45 | LexSfX | OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH! |
| 21:43.52 | Semlar | Stanzilla: if you change to action bar 2 and switch talents, it puts the talent on your main action bar and i don't know where it's doing that |
| 21:43.54 | nevcairiel | if it gets detected and put into maps_to_remap then its not hardcoding, is iut! |
| 21:44.19 | Semlar | it's not the SPELL_PUSHED_TO_ACTIONBAR thing |
| 21:44.36 | Ketho | TheDanW: is there any way to increase the size for Combat Text damage/healing done to other players/npcs? and to make it not get smaller when zooming out? it's way too small |
| 21:44.46 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: ah, so on a first run M_T_R would pick up zones that are phases, but on a second run it would just verify if those really ARE phases? |
| 21:45.12 | nevcairiel | yeah i guess |
| 21:45.51 | TheDanW | LexSfX: welcome |
| 21:46.29 | Andols | LexSfX: What are you going to do with that? :P |
| 21:46.48 | Stanzilla | Semlar: yeah I had that too |
| 21:46.50 | Stanzilla | dunno why |
| 21:47.00 | Semlar | i can't actually figure out where that's being done |
| 21:47.11 | Stanzilla | ask TheDanW :D |
| 21:47.24 | Semlar | because it only responds to SPELL_PUSHED_TO_ACTIONBAR in one place |
| 21:47.35 | Semlar | so something must be watching a different event |
| 21:47.44 | LexSfX | Andols: i'm going to use StartAutoRun instead of ToggleAutoRun on the same bind so i don't accidentally turn it off when pressing the bind again |
| 21:48.39 | Tentacled | Ketho: it would be best if we could set how much combat text is scaled - from "fully with distance" to "not at all" :) |
| 21:48.58 | Andols | ofc, because when you want to stop moving you won't do it with the toggle but with mouse/w/s. You make a good point :D |
| 21:49.08 | LexSfX | yes |
| 21:49.40 | LexSfX | i've wanted that feature for years and this awesome guy is adding it; so happy! |
| 21:49.59 | LexSfX | (i said "this awesome guy" to avoid beeping him btw) |
| 21:50.27 | TheDanW | Ketho: in 7.1, there's a new cvar "WorldTextScale" that you can adjust, i don't think you can do it by type though, its just global |
| 21:51.14 | Xuerian | Elkano, Sharparam: I also get the overflow. |
| 21:51.23 | znf | is there a way to buy an item 1000x times, without counting the slot of the marchent? |
| 21:51.25 | znf | merchant* |
| 21:52.22 | Sharparam | Xuerian: once it's triggered, mousing over the player nameplate thing instantly triggers an overflow every time |
| 21:52.31 | TheDanW | there were some adjustments made to improve damage number scaling in general, at the least, most ranged classes found them hard to read |
| 21:52.46 | Xuerian | Sharparam: Interesting, I have the player plate disabled |
| 21:53.04 | Sharparam | i disabled it just now :P |
| 21:54.02 | Sharparam | mousing over the "Nameplate Motion Type" dropdown also triggers overflow |
| 21:54.07 | Ketho | TheDanW: looking forwards to that cvar then, if that doesn't affect other stuff too much like unit names |
| 21:54.25 | Sharparam | nvm it's a different error |
| 21:54.38 | Sharparam | 7x [string "GameTooltip:OnEnter"]:3: Usage: GameTooltip:SetText("text" [, color, wrap]) |
| 21:54.54 | TheDanW | Ketho: i didn't work on the feature directly, but my understanding is it only affects in-world damage numbers, xp gain, artifact gains, and so on |
| 21:54.57 | Sharparam | the default UI is calling functions in the wrong way? :P |
| 21:55.32 | Xuerian | Sharparam: https://gist.github.com/Xuerian/ffa506157a0d2a87bf77d26a905f653d |
| 21:56.42 | Sharparam | Xuerian: https://gist.github.com/Sharparam/48302a5fbcb81d25bd52411929285e72 |
| 21:56.55 | Sharparam | (dump from folder listing) |
| 21:58.43 | znf | TheDanW, what is up with whispers on live? people are reporting that they hear the whisper sound, but the actual text appears almost a second later |
| 21:58.46 | znf | with or without addons |
| 22:00.42 | znf | (I assumed it was a WIM issue, but someone who uses just bigwigs as an addon just told me the same) |
| 22:02.23 | Sharparam | Xuerian: addons in common: https://gist.github.com/Sharparam/23a6c64d8c823fcb6248e723043cc683 |
| 22:05.23 | Xuerian | clique seems like the only thing that even touches them |
| 22:05.30 | Xuerian | but that seems just as unlikely |
| 22:05.54 | foxlit | and you get c stack overflows when... |
| 22:06.04 | Xuerian | if it was repeatable i'd have better information |
| 22:06.22 | Sharparam | foxlit: i get it when mousing over the player "resource bar" |
| 22:06.34 | Xuerian | rather, if I had figured out how to produce it we wouldn't be here using the equivalent of dowsing rods |
| 22:06.51 | Sharparam | and i think at some other times too, but mousing over the resource thing definitely triggers it (at least when it's happened once already) |
| 22:08.51 | Xuerian | I haven't noticed any common factor in starting to get them, but once they've happened in a session they'll continue to happen while in combat with hostiles visible or targeted |
| 22:11.39 | Stanzilla | yes znf |
| 22:12.26 | Stanzilla | the ui engineers always know about server lag |
| 22:12.44 | Semlar | it's probably clique |
| 22:13.03 | znf | Stanzilla, how is it server lag...? |
| 22:13.33 | znf | if I get the beep/window popping up, that means the client received the data...? |
| 22:13.34 | znf | doesn't it? |
| 22:14.36 | TheDanW | znf: dunno, first i've heard of it |
| 22:16.44 | Semlar | TheDanW: i don't suppose you have any idea what causes a new talent to show up on the action bar that isn't the "animate to action bar" thing |
| 22:17.19 | Semlar | it only happens if you aren't looking at the main action bar and learn a talent, it just appears on it when you switch back |
| 22:17.37 | Xuerian | Guess I should figure out how I'm actually supposed to show unit menus in oUF so I can turn Clique off. |
| 22:17.50 | foxlit | Semlar: exactly the same code, presumably? |
| 22:17.56 | Semlar | it's not |
| 22:18.10 | foxlit | except because the bar it's pushing to is invisible, it doesn't fire the "hey, animate the push" event? |
| 22:18.12 | Semlar | i unregistered the event from it |
| 22:18.29 | Semlar | it shouldn't be doing anything |
| 22:18.44 | foxlit | surely the event is just "this happened" notification, not a "do this!" instruction. |
| 22:19.09 | Semlar | well, it stops it from putting it on the bar if you're looking at your main bar |
| 22:19.35 | Semlar | so it's responding to the event for the animation |
| 22:20.15 | Semlar | if it's just magically showing up on the bar and not being added by the ui that's going to be more annoying to stop |
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| 22:24.22 | Semlar | who even uses action bar pages |
| 22:24.51 | LexSfX | slow players |
| 22:25.15 | LexSfX | wouldn't you have to never group with anyone if you used them? |
| 22:25.18 | Semlar | this is literally only an issue if you're on your second action bar page and switch talents AND your main action bar is mostly empty |
| 22:26.52 | Semlar | actually it might push it to any available action slot if any of those 12 are empty |
| 22:28.00 | Semlar | well, the event tells you the action slot so i guess i could just undo it every time that event fires |
| 22:28.39 | Semlar | it tells you the action slot twice, so i don't actually know which one of these returns i should use if one of those changes |
| 22:29.15 | Semlar | they're called "slotIndex" and "slotPos" |
| 22:29.27 | Semlar | i'm going with the first one |
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| 22:31.09 | Semlar | is PickupAction the only way to clear an action slot? |
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| 22:43.55 | TheDanW | Semlar: i'm not familiar with the way that system works, Guill might be |
| 22:44.14 | Semlar | eh i fixed it |
| 22:44.44 | Semlar | i just wanted to keep it from adding things to the bar automatically |
| 22:46.47 | Semlar | is there a function to get the coordinates of a quest poi without actually having the map set to the one it's on |
| 22:47.30 | LexSfX | argh, doom guard's curse. whoever decided there should be a curse that guarantees a one-shot does not know good game design |
| 22:47.47 | Semlar | maybe you should have dodged |
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| 22:47.51 | LexSfX | lol |
| 22:48.34 | Tentacled | TheDanW: I always wanted to ask one of you guys... Do you have some specific IDE or ingame debugging tool, or are you just using what everybody else is, perhaps even some community-built tools, like LuaPad or BugGrabber or Spoo? |
| 22:49.24 | TheDanW | Tentacled: we use a modified version of http://unknownworlds.com/decoda |
| 22:50.07 | Tentacled | With a step-by-step debugger, plugging into the game, or are you hardcore with "print debugging"? :P |
| 22:50.50 | TheDanW | it supports your standard debugger stuff, breakpoints, watches, etc |
| 22:51.35 | Tentacled | Waaah... I wish the game client had that accessible for addon people :P |
| 22:54.30 | LexSfX | i wish i could figure out what gives me 5-second lag spikes once every ~20-30 minutes despite smooth gameplay at all other times |
| 22:54.49 | LexSfX | it's so hard to figure out without some sort of performance graph |
| 22:55.35 | LexSfX | "process explorer" for WoW addons |
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| 22:56.41 | TheDanW | Tentacled: if there was a good way to do that we would - a long time ago, before i worked in the industry i started a wow UI emulation project just to be able to use decoda |
| 22:56.43 | Xuerian | Wildstar has a nifty option for their addon list that shows total calls/average/peak frame times for addons |
| 22:57.24 | Xuerian | YOUR DAILY WILDSTAR MENTION BROUGHT TO YOU BY XUERIAN |
| 22:57.30 | LexSfX | Xuerian: there are some addons that show totals, but totals aren't as useful |
| 22:57.36 | LexSfX | i need something that shows spikes |
| 23:00.30 | Gnarfoz | you can watch the one of the various performance monitoring addons live? :D |
| 23:00.53 | Xuerian | If what you use already breaks it down by addon, you could just add peak tracking yourself |
| 23:03.07 | Tentacled | TheDanW: I wonder how it handles breakpointing in the onupdate script handlers. Does the whole game get frozen, and risks server timeouts if you dilly-dally too long? :) |
| 23:04.40 | TheDanW | yeah, its similar to hitting a breakpoint in the game itself, a breakpoint freezes the client, but our internal servers won't time us out |
| 23:04.44 | Guill | Tentacles: Special code on internal clients/servers to detect that case and handle it nicely |
| 23:04.56 | Guill | s/Tentacles/Tentacled |
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| 23:05.39 | Tentacled | Figures :) |
| 23:05.42 | MuffinPvEHero | TheDanW: Hey sir! I am one of the devs of TradeSkillMaster, a popular AH addon. I wanted to say thanks for looking into the ilvl issue from GetItemInfo() |
| 23:05.53 | MuffinPvEHero | Seeker`: gave me the details on what you said earlier, we appreciate it |
| 23:06.12 | TheDanW | MuffinPvEHero: glad it helps! tooltip scanning is never fun :( |
| 23:06.26 | MuffinPvEHero | We will anxiously await 7.1 for the fix |
| 23:06.27 | MuffinPvEHero | heh |
| 23:06.57 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: I just put all the active abilities that might get pushed by changing talents onto a hidden action bar >_> |
| 23:07.00 | MuffinPvEHero | I think there is something else we're have to Tooltip scan for awhile now... I want to say "Crafting Reagent" blue text? Don't quote me on that. |
| 23:07.47 | Tentacled | TheDanW: I suppose there's not going to be any way to detect NPC names by ID, or quest titles and details, when they're not nearby or in log, respectively? :P (Tooltip scanning, a lot of it...) |
| 23:07.53 | Semlar | you should change the default auction house sorting method so addons can't just scan the last page to find what was most recently posted |
| 23:07.55 | Guill | MuffinPvEHero: If you can figure out exactly what you're missing and let us know (and it's not too difficult to add), we'll put it in. Binding type (e.g. BoP/BoE/etc.) is added in 7.1 as well. |
| 23:08.11 | MuffinPvEHero | awesome! |
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| 23:09.07 | MuffinPvEHero | Guill: I will definitely ping my team and report back |
| 23:09.10 | MuffinPvEHero | thanks :) |
| 23:09.33 | MuffinPvEHero | Is there any general word on the host of issues with GetItemInfo() in general since 7.0.3? Slowness, no results, etc? |
| 23:09.55 | TheDanW | Tentacled: you'd probably need to make a strong case for it, i'd recommend writing a proposal up on wowi and linking it here |
| 23:10.20 | MuffinPvEHero | You guys are doing gods work heh :) thanks a ton |
| 23:10.48 | Guill | MuffinPvEHero: Not technically bugs. Just a poorly-understood system. In the same way you've never been guaranteed to have item data loaded the first time (we didn't load data until needed), we now unload data. |
| 23:11.21 | MuffinPvEHero | Ah interesting |
| 23:11.27 | Tentacled | Oh. Oh oh. BoP/BoE data... <3 |
| 23:11.36 | TheDanW | MuffinPvEHero: also prefer GetItemInfoInstant if you can, it has less information but if sufficient doesn't require any waiting |
| 23:11.42 | MuffinPvEHero | Ya we've had to do a bajillion work arounds and it can get lagy now when someone wants to list >1000 items on the AH |
| 23:11.48 | MuffinPvEHero | We use Instant where we can |
| 23:11.53 | MuffinPvEHero | but things like Item Name are not in it |
| 23:11.57 | MuffinPvEHero | IIRC |
| 23:12.13 | Guill | MuffinPvEHero: Yup, we've had to do a bajillion work arounds on our side as well to support this new system :P |
| 23:12.20 | MuffinPvEHero | haha fun! |
| 23:12.27 | TheDanW | correct, we have to load that from the server or disk, which is why there's a delay, it create contention with texture/model loading, so we try to do it sparingly |
| 23:13.08 | MuffinPvEHero | Guill: to your earlier statement, we could also use whether or not an item is a crafting mat |
| 23:13.13 | MuffinPvEHero | we have to scan the tooltip for that |
| 23:14.07 | MuffinPvEHero | Do you all think there will be a better solution for getting a massive amount of item information? And don't get me wrong - I know new xpac stuff is insane for you guys too haha, we appreciate anything that can be done. |
| 23:14.19 | MuffinPvEHero | I have a few thousand auctions and I am a small fish when it comes to major AH players |
| 23:15.32 | Guill | MuffinPvEHero: I think people are just going to have to code their AddOns with async data queries in mind. As long as we support 32-bit clients, we have to be careful about memory usage. |
| 23:17.08 | Ketho | "<Semlar> there's an addon (i don't know which) that causes it from hovering over your self nameplate" was anyone able to debug this nameplate mouseover stack overflow thing yet? http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747934952 |
| 23:17.12 | Guill | If people have ideas for ways to make that easier on AddOn authors (letting GetItemInfo take a function to use as a callback instead of relying on an event?), please post a proposal on the WoWI forums so other people can weigh in on it |
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| 23:19.22 | Tentacled | Callback functions... I think I may have just wet myself. /tmi |
| 23:19.46 | Thunder_Child | Yep. |
| 23:23.29 | Semlar | Ketho: i'm pretty sure it's clique, from the people i've seen complaining about it |
| 23:26.07 | Ketho | Semlar: I don't know anymore lol, p3lim reported it happened with NameplateColors but wasn't sure in the end http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info24050-NameplateColors.html#comments |
| 23:26.30 | p3lim | I got rid of it by repairing my game :p |
| 23:29.51 | LexSfX | mitch0: Bazooka's new "Hide Order Hall Command Bar" option doesn't seem to work yet |
| 23:30.04 | LexSfX | i'll see if i can fix it in my local copy |
| 23:30.51 | Tentacled | Yeah, that command bar is so un-climatic to me :/ Looks like a TitanBar clone. |
| 23:31.34 | LexSfX | would rather just use LDB plugins for what it displays |
| 23:31.51 | LexSfX | i already use bazooka |
| 23:31.54 | kd3 | ^ quite annoyed. had to mess with LDB display |
| 23:32.28 | LexSfX | mitch0: oh, never mind. the option works on UI reload |
| 23:32.58 | LexSfX | i guess because WoW doesn't call OrderHall_CheckCommandBar while you're in the order hall |
| 23:33.24 | LexSfX | so setting the option doesn't change visibility immediately |
| 23:39.18 | pompy | i didn't have to /rl to hide it |
| 23:45.15 | LexSfX | pompy, Bazooka uses a hooksecurefunc on OrderHall_CheckCommandBar for some reason, like this: |
| 23:45.16 | LexSfX | hooksecurefunc("OrderHall_CheckCommandBar", function() if self.db.global.hideOrderHallCommandBar then if OrderHallCommandBar then OrderHallCommandBar:Hide() end end end) |
| 23:45.50 | LexSfX | supposedly to keep it hidden |
| 23:46.13 | LexSfX | but it doesn't toggle hidden on setting the option as it could |
| 23:46.19 | LexSfX | good enough for me though |
| 23:46.34 | Gnarfoz | just ping mitch0 about it ;) ^ |
| 23:48.04 | LexSfX | Gnarfoz: i did |
| 23:53.33 | foxlit | I wonder if whoever was working on the disguise mechanic in surumar is happy with the end result. |
| 23:58.38 | Gnarfoz | woah |
| 23:59.02 | Gnarfoz | was wondering where the NPCs at the Suramar flight point I was heading for were... suddenly "transfer aborted: instance not found" |
| 23:59.54 | Stanzilla | crazy shit |
