| 00:03.56 | Gnarfoz | anyone got contacts in Blizzard/BONS networking? ^^ |
| 00:08.00 | Gnarfoz | also, is he wrong? https://twitter.com/KihraOfTemerity I pointed him here, but :shrug: |
| 00:08.55 | nevcairiel | You can still get the translation from combat log coords to 0-100 nap coords |
| 00:09.06 | nevcairiel | I don't see how anything needs to break |
| 00:09.22 | nevcairiel | So yes, he would appear to be wrong |
| 00:13.53 | mischanix | when did they put coords in the combat log? |
| 00:14.07 | nevcairiel | WoD sometime? |
| 00:14.28 | mischanix | neat |
| 00:15.50 | mckenziemc | nap coords? :p |
| 00:16.40 | mckenziemc | coordinates Torhal's dirt nap. |
| 00:17.20 | Torhal | I'm already dirty, mckenziemc, by association with you. |
| 00:18.10 | Gnarfoz | looks like 5.4.2, mischanix |
| 00:19.07 | Gnarfoz | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3559-Patch |
| 00:22.41 | kd3 | hm, blizzard trying their hand at an ARG |
| 00:26.30 | Gnarfoz | Sombra hints have been going on for some time now |
| 00:33.42 | Guill | Gnarfoz: I may have some contacts in Blizzard. What's up? |
| 00:37.44 | Gnarfoz | Guill: without being to verbose: when connecting to German/EU WoW servers over IPv6 from my German ISP, traffic gets routed from Germany to UK, to the US and then back to Europe. Latency ensues. :D http://pastebin.com/raw/DEwehaCn is what a traceroute looks like. The battle.net looking glass sadly doesn't seem to support IPv6. Back in 2014, with a more serious issue (IPv6 didn't work at all) I had contact with Changkoo Lee? (And WHOIS data |
| 00:37.44 | Gnarfoz | lists Chris Benners, but that might be a more general contact.) |
| 00:37.54 | Gnarfoz | (I guess that was as "not-verbose" as one IRC message length allows. :P) |
| 00:39.27 | Gnarfoz | It's not really easy for an outsider to guess if that's intentional routing (it might be, that'd be a bit sad) or a mistake, and if so, on whose part. Best place to start is at either end of the connection, and Deutsche Telekom is pretty buttoned up, typically. |
| 00:39.43 | Gnarfoz | (the other end being Blizzard, of course.) |
| 00:42.31 | Guill | Gnarfoz: Sounds like someone is at least aware of the issue. |
| 00:43.04 | Gnarfoz | Guill: ah? great! |
| 00:45.38 | Guill | Also, WRT Kihra's post, nevcairiel is correct. We aren't removing anything from the combat log written to disk. Though if combat replay has an in-game component that lets you review a fight immediately after it completes, that *will* be broken |
| 00:46.02 | Gnarfoz | nah, he writes/operates warcraftlogs.com - that's entirely out of game |
| 00:57.35 | Ketho | but why would reviewing a fight in-game have to be broken (if there was an in-game component) |
| 00:58.54 | nebula | Guill: so GetPlayerMapPosition won't work either I assume? is that being removed with the new position frame? |
| 01:00.13 | Guill | nebula: Correct. With the caveat that all of these changes ONLY apply when requesting info about a unit in an instance/BG/Arena/etc.. People can still use all that info in the outside world. |
| 01:02.54 | Guill | So neither GetPlayerMapPosition nor UnitPosition will be totally removed. They'll just start returning nil (just like they previously did if the unit was invalid) if the unit is in one of these restricted areas. |
| 01:10.57 | Semlar | are these functions being disabled in all instances all the time? |
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| 01:12.10 | Semlar | like if you're in any dungeon, the unit position functions will be disabled? |
| 01:15.46 | Guill | Semlar: Yes. (Though, technically, it depends on which instance the unit you're requesting info is in and not where *you* are.) |
| 01:16.12 | Guill | That difference really only matters if you're requesting info about party members who are in a different area than you |
| 01:16.16 | nebula | UnitDistanceSquared will still work? |
| 01:16.29 | Guill | Nope. Same rules there. |
| 01:16.47 | Semlar | what about checking if your spells are in range of a unit |
| 01:17.30 | Simca | presumably that will still work, and addons will adapt to use it as an awful alternative |
| 01:17.44 | Simca | and nothing will change except for the accuracy of said addons |
| 01:17.46 | Guill | Still OK. You guys should let me know if you discover otherwise, but at this point I believe that without any constant point of reference, your ability to triangulate positions will be EXTREMELY limited using spell range only. |
| 01:18.39 | Guill | Essentially you're left solving a series of equations of dist(a,b) < 30, 30 < dist(b,c) < 40, 40 < dist(c,d) |
| 01:19.33 | kd3 | sigh. https://twitter.com/Kaydeethree/status/768256341156700160 |
| 01:19.48 | Simca | you're assuming that unit position is what the addon wanted, but what if they only cared about the distance from the player to other players |
| 01:20.02 | Simca | example: DBM radar will still function, just suck more than it does already |
| 01:20.14 | kd3 | it'll just work like it did in wrath |
| 01:20.18 | Simca | as the radar ranges will be greatly restricted |
| 01:20.30 | Guill | Simca: DMB radar would work as long as the distance they cared about was 30 or 40 yards. It wouldn't be accurate for any other value. |
| 01:20.33 | nebula | Simca: they're ok with a list of who is too close, they just don't want players to be able to create huds |
| 01:21.05 | Funkeh` | if they're ok with a list of who is too close, why break UnitDistanceSquared |
| 01:21.31 | nebula | would make it less hard to mesh together positions probably |
| 01:21.33 | Guill | Exact values would allow triangulation of position |
| 01:21.43 | Gnarfoz | kd3: is your licence plate 4GNMRGN |
| 01:21.54 | nebula | you can still get pretty close with all the varied toy cast ranges |
| 01:21.54 | kd3 | no. think that's cogwheel's |
| 01:21.59 | Gnarfoz | ah, right |
| 01:22.00 | Thunder_Child | Yea, that's cogs. |
| 01:22.06 | Gnarfoz | I recalled someone in here having that ^^ |
| 01:22.13 | Funkeh` | if we start abusing toys will you start changing all the ranges Guill |
| 01:22.20 | Semlar | smothers nebula with a pillow |
| 01:22.26 | Simca | Guill: it works based on spell, right? surely there are spells with ranges other than 30 or 40 yards. |
| 01:22.38 | nebula | i mean, as soon as bw or dbm starts using it, you think it'll be hidden? lol |
| 01:22.41 | Simca | that sounds like an oversimplification to assume there are not |
| 01:23.12 | Guill | Simca: Last I checked, spells that target allies are always 30 or 40 yards in Legion. Before 7.1 goes live we already plan to make sure that's still the case and see whether we need to rethink spell range. |
| 01:23.28 | Guill | Yeah, toy casts are a potential issue |
| 01:23.32 | Funkeh` | Guill, would it be too much to ask for an API that returns 5, 10, 20, 30 or 40 instead of trying to hack a list of spells |
| 01:23.55 | Semlar | he's just going to break the item range api |
| 01:23.57 | nebula | interact distances are kinda like that |
| 01:24.14 | Funkeh` | the don't covert those specific distances |
| 01:24.27 | Funkeh` | which basically means abuse anything you can |
| 01:25.27 | Semlar | i only see this ending with them removing the ability to check those interact distances |
| 01:25.37 | Ketho | would temporarily setting nameplateMaxDistance to like 6 yards and then checking if any friendly nameplates are shown work |
| 01:25.48 | Funkeh` | Ketho, good idea |
| 01:25.49 | nebula | Ketho: can't change cvars in combat |
| 01:25.58 | Funkeh` | yes but we know distances up front |
| 01:26.01 | Funkeh` | usually |
| 01:26.27 | Semlar | you aren't considering capping their nameplate distance for the whole fight :( |
| 01:26.45 | Funkeh` | Ill consider anything they force us into |
| 01:26.48 | Semlar | that would be a horrible way to check ranges anyway |
| 01:26.56 | Semlar | you'd be stuck with whatever happens to be on screen |
| 01:26.58 | Funkeh` | not taking anything off the table |
| 01:27.17 | Semlar | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 01:27.36 | Torhal | I'm shocked to hear that from Semlar. |
| 01:27.37 | Torhal | >.> |
| 01:27.42 | Funkeh` | well they can either give us a nice thing like set, reasonable distance |
| 01:27.47 | Funkeh` | so go play cat and mouse |
| 01:27.56 | Funkeh` | or* |
| 01:28.08 | Simca | the reality is that they're going to have cull huge sections of the API if they want their plan to work |
| 01:28.11 | Semlar | you can't give them an ultimatum like that |
| 01:28.22 | Funkeh` | think of it like a suggestion |
| 01:28.25 | Semlar | they're just going to take everything |
| 01:28.31 | Funkeh` | because it's not just me that will do this |
| 01:28.40 | Funkeh` | Im just stating what will happen all round |
| 01:28.50 | Simca | also, the very first thing i thought of - the world map would still have to work |
| 01:28.58 | Simca | and its frames are visible |
| 01:29.06 | Semlar | he said they're replacing the frame with some new widget |
| 01:29.07 | Funkeh` | if they say they want us to have a list of names - give us a reasonable way to do that |
| 01:29.12 | Simca | ah |
| 01:29.17 | Semlar | something more like the minimap |
| 01:29.17 | Guill | nameplateMaxDistance is distance from the camera, not from the player |
| 01:29.31 | Semlar | that too |
| 01:29.33 | Guill | And if you're playing in first person, you need all the help you can get. |
| 01:29.53 | Funkeh` | rofl |
| 01:29.55 | Ketho | is there an achievement for that |
| 01:30.02 | kd3 | >.< |
| 01:30.03 | Semlar | found that out when i tried to use the scale/alpha functions to get the exact distance for nameplates |
| 01:30.04 | Guill | There should be. |
| 01:30.04 | Funkeh` | should be |
| 01:30.11 | Simca | you can get camera distance |
| 01:30.14 | Simca | with the api |
| 01:30.18 | Simca | so you could still do it. |
| 01:30.27 | Semlar | nah not really |
| 01:30.31 | kd3 | somehow apparently AVR still worked |
| 01:30.36 | Semlar | you need more than the camera distance from the player |
| 01:30.55 | Guill | Simca: But you wouldn't know whether the nameplate is closer to the camera than the player or visa-versa |
| 01:31.07 | Simca | kd3: we've talked about how AVR could be repaired many times in here, since like... cata |
| 01:31.14 | Simca | just as theorycrafting |
| 01:31.26 | Simca | i'm surprised it took somebody this long to implement it |
| 01:31.55 | kd3 | shifting gears for a moment, mmo's blue tracker broke |
| 01:31.56 | Semlar | why waste time writing something that you know they're just going to break |
| 01:32.03 | Funkeh` | ^ |
| 01:32.06 | Simca | yeah that was what semlar always said |
| 01:32.23 | Semlar | i mean it's one thing if it's really easy to write, but something like AVR takes some work to do |
| 01:32.32 | nebula | stupid math. |
| 01:33.51 | Ironii | speaking of theorycrafting things that you shouldn't publish, now that nameplate units are a thing, wouldn't you be able to build a working one-button rotation addon if you refresh your nameplates on every click |
| 01:34.05 | Semlar | what |
| 01:34.12 | Ironii | that would trigger a new state on secureenv and you could use that to modify your spells for next cast |
| 01:34.29 | Ironii | sure nameplates would flicker all the time, but that doesn't really matter |
| 01:34.43 | Semlar | how does that let you configure your rotation |
| 01:34.54 | Simca | kd3: iirc some of our thoughts revolved around using GetPlayerFacing() and UnitPosition amongst a group of players sharing an addon |
| 01:35.14 | kd3 | huh |
| 01:36.18 | Simca | not sure if that's how they ended up doing it or not, but x, y, and rotation info for every player would be enough to do a lot. |
| 01:37.08 | Ironii | Semlar you could cast different spells by smashing one button since on every smash you could change the ability that the button will use? |
| 01:37.18 | Guill | Unless you ever move your camera independent of your character |
| 01:37.40 | Guill | Ironii: You could already do that without units being modified |
| 01:37.46 | Semlar | Ironii: random spells? what good is that |
| 01:37.48 | Gethe | i think they use camra distance + nameplate location to triangulate camra angle |
| 01:38.20 | Simca | makes sense, both are new to legion |
| 01:39.04 | Semlar | Ironii: unless you can get information into the restricted environment, you can't choose what to cast next based on anything worthwhile |
| 01:39.38 | Guill | Anyway, I'm heading off, but if you guys have more thoughts about the position-killing stuff, please make a thread somewhere (maybe the Legion Beta General Discussion forums on WoWI?) |
| 01:41.06 | Semlar | why are you making us learn how to play guill |
| 01:41.37 | nebula | Semlar: they're tired of everyone saying they dumb down the game every expansion |
| 01:41.53 | Ironii | add range checks to debuffs and remove toy distances. |
| 01:41.54 | Ironii | :) |
| 01:42.13 | Simca | just had a hilarious thought, what if you had a player next to you who had buffs on them and changed the buffs to indicate via some sort of code what ability to cast |
| 01:42.22 | Simca | and then you could effectively do another player's rotation for them |
| 01:43.27 | Semlar | you don't know what buffs are on you in the RE |
| 01:43.46 | Simca | yeah, i remember now |
| 01:44.23 | Simca | prevents abilities from acting differently when debuffs are active, like having a button renew a DoT or cast direct damage based on DoT presence |
| 01:44.55 | mckenziemc | restricts Semlar's environment. |
| 01:49.08 | Torhal | calls setfenv(mckenziemc, Semlar) |
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| 01:49.19 | nebula | does calling :SetFont on a font family like SystemFont_Shadow_Small set the font for every alphabet? |
| 02:01.14 | mfgmfg2 | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/ what happened |
| 02:01.20 | mfgmfg2 | chaud_ |
| 02:01.42 | Gnarfoz | Ornyx too stronk |
| 02:11.46 | Ketho | cant we use nameplateMinAlphaDistance and nameplateMaxAlphaDistance for range checking? unless its also affected by camera |
| 02:12.49 | Simca | it's very likely some of the nameplate cvars will work |
| 02:12.57 | Simca | there are tons of them |
| 02:17.50 | Semlar | those are based on your camera position |
| 02:18.19 | Semlar | i mentioned earlier that i tried to use them to get exact distance to nameplates |
| 02:21.49 | Ketho | ow bummer :( |
| 02:23.57 | znf | Semlar is always one step ahead when it comes to nameplates :D |
| 02:24.42 | Semlar | i tried it on the beta when i saw you could set the min/max alpha and scale |
| 02:24.56 | Semlar | but it's the distance from your camera |
| 02:29.55 | znf | you should stop trying to hack the game :( |
| 02:30.07 | znf | unless you're doing my lazyplates |
| 02:30.28 | Semlar | i didn't do nuffin |
| 02:34.30 | chaud_ | mfgmfg2 bad things happened |
| 02:34.35 | chaud_ | will have dev fix it in the morning |
| 02:37.17 | bshelden | I will never understand why it's still possible to necro. |
| 02:38.01 | Thunder_Child | Because DK's. |
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| 03:10.08 | Semlar | Simca: i don't suppose you know how to get what type of sockets an artifact has |
| 03:10.44 | Simca | sure |
| 03:11.22 | Simca | 2^(item-sparse.SocketColor[x]) -> GemProperties.Type where X is the socket index |
| 03:12.19 | Simca | why? Blizzard(TM) |
| 03:12.39 | Semlar | do you know which columns those are |
| 03:12.49 | Semlar | i don't have column names |
| 03:12.59 | Simca | no, but i can post them and you can count |
| 03:13.06 | Semlar | that works |
| 03:13.11 | Simca | item-sparse is 103 columns and i don't know how to count past 12 |
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| 03:14.39 | Simca | https://www.curseforge.com/paste/51678096 |
| 03:14.56 | Semlar | thanks |
| 03:15.02 | Simca | yup |
| 03:26.18 | Ssateneth | ehmmmmm |
| 03:26.25 | Ssateneth | Anyone familiar with "clique" addon? |
| 03:26.44 | Ssateneth | Is there a way to clique onto nameplates out in the field? |
| 03:26.58 | Ssateneth | I wanna heal people out in the field if I cant get into a group with them (invasions) |
| 03:33.21 | nebula | Ssateneth: hovercast or just mouseover macros |
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| 03:35.52 | Ssateneth | Uhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:35.56 | Ssateneth | whatever the default is? |
| 03:36.00 | Ssateneth | mouseover? |
| 03:36.07 | Ssateneth | I dont even know what a hovercast is <.< |
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| 03:50.39 | znf | Ssateneth, I'm guessing it's the difference between a macro (that you can drag to your action bars) or an actual addon that binds a key etc |
| 03:52.31 | Simca | if clique doesn't support nameplates, i imagine there's no reason it couldn't |
| 03:58.33 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 04:02.19 | znf | especially now that nameplates have their own id |
| 04:03.05 | Gethe | gives Cairenn a new hat |
| 04:03.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:03.19 | Gethe | :D |
| 04:08.06 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn for automatically correcting hugs |
| 04:08.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:08.16 | Fisker | I was so confused |
| 04:08.37 | Cairenn | Apparently ;) |
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| 04:09.42 | Fisker | I just woke up though |
| 04:12.22 | mckenziemc | gives Fisker his leftover coffee from the day. |
| 04:16.52 | mckenziemc | reduce reuse recycle, right? |
| 04:18.37 | ls- | damn, today I was kicked out of my guild, because I refused to write custom addons for them :p |
| 04:18.48 | ls- | no ragrets though... |
| 04:19.05 | Ketho | is guild disband protected? |
| 04:19.16 | ls- | hmmmm... |
| 04:20.03 | ls- | only gleader can perform the action, but I don't think it's protected... |
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| 05:05.50 | JustNeph | This little bash function is a lifesaver now haha "function curse-push() { git tag -a $1 -m "Tagging $1" && git push curse -f && git push curse tag $1}" where curse is the remote for curse haha |
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| 05:17.09 | Xuerian | Kicked out because you refused to write custom addons? wtf? |
| 05:18.55 | kullervo | well, you imagine paying your raider $115 per hour and they don't even write proper code |
| 05:19.19 | kullervo | wait... something doesn't add up, that's A JOB, not a raid guild! |
| 05:20.21 | Xuerian | What? Those two aren't the same thing? |
| 05:21.00 | Xuerian | I should probably spend some time figuring out how I'm triggering this access violation. |
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| 05:29.24 | ls- | well, ofc I asked for money, I'm not gonna spend my time writing code for someone else for free. I was called a scumbag and kicked out, lel |
| 05:31.26 | Xuerian | Did you offer first or did they ask first? |
| 05:32.02 | ls- | ofc they asked first |
| 05:32.25 | Xuerian | hah, wow |
| 05:33.14 | Simca | sounds like something somebody might ask if they were 12 |
| 05:33.48 | Simca | how'd they even know you write addons? and what could somebody with such limited intelligence even want written that wasn't already written? |
| 05:36.13 | ls- | heh.. |
| 05:36.19 | ls- | one of my ex-guildmates, my buddy irl, told them that he knew a guy who could do that T_T |
| 05:36.40 | ls- | I dunno anything else about their request, I just told them that it'd cost them moneyz |
| 05:38.55 | ls- | only people I know IRL know that I write addons, I never tell anyone in game about it, I also ask other authors I know to remove my btag from screenshots, if it's there, cuz once one dude unknowingly posted it on mmoc |
| 05:39.52 | Simca | well, i don't want my btag public, but i put my char name and server all over my stuff, and it is only gotten me a total of like 1 message outside curseforge/wowI |
| 05:40.02 | Simca | and they were nice about it |
| 05:40.23 | ls- | lucky you then... |
| 05:41.04 | Simca | my guildmates all know i make addons, and will sometimes jokingly ask for me to make them something silly, but that's pretty much it |
| 05:41.32 | Xuerian | Yeah, I've never hid it and no one got snappy with me. Sucks about your guild :[ |
| 05:42.01 | ls- | i don't really care, I stopped raiding back in cata. |
| 05:42.54 | ls- | yeah, they now have quite ambitious wannabe mythic raider RL who defo wants some custom addons like big guild do :D |
| 05:43.30 | ls- | big guilds* |
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| 05:44.39 | Simca | i mean, there's not a lot that they could ask for that doesn't have a public equivalent, outside like some AVR replacement stuff, which is just to liable to make blizzard hate you |
| 05:44.46 | ls- | ikr |
| 05:45.18 | ls- | that guy is just delusional |
| 05:45.25 | Xuerian | (I still don't get why blizz doesn't opt for clearer, harder mechanics instead of vague ones that addons make any difference on) |
| 05:46.47 | Xuerian | (well, that is to say I can understand some motivations, but it seems to be the clear choice anyway) |
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| 05:50.35 | ls- | I think it doesn't matter how clear mechanics are, people will use addons to assist them anyway |
| 05:51.23 | ls- | it's sorta inevitable, cuz people are lazy and like taking path of least resistance :p |
| 05:54.27 | Xuerian | I mean, generic encounter guide style mods will always be useful, but I mean stuff like AVR. Drawing in the world should be a useful thing addons can do, not some taboo thing that gets features removed. If telegraphs were clear and mechanics designed to be clearly and easily seen, then the difficulty could be shifted more toward player action instead of minutia knowledge and addon assistance, imo |
| 05:55.47 | Xuerian | It'd help if there were more interactive non-dps things encounters required, but I'm not going to just outright say "if it were like wildstar" |
| 05:56.03 | Torhal | Except that you did. |
| 05:56.05 | Torhal | Just there. |
| 05:56.07 | Torhal | >.> |
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| 05:56.09 | ls- | oh snap... |
| 05:56.12 | Xuerian | Except for saying it right there, anyway |
| 05:56.20 | ls- | I was thinking about wildstar too, haha |
| 05:56.45 | ls- | I really like wildstar telegraphing, super clear and easy to read :p |
| 05:57.33 | Xuerian | Hi, I'm Xuerian, I tend to moan about how other games aren't WildStar. "Hi Xuerian" |
| 05:58.00 | ls- | Hi Xuerian :D |
| 05:58.06 | Xuerian | :D |
| 05:58.17 | Xuerian | At least region:SetAlpha works in WoW so that's a bonus :D |
| 05:59.26 | Xuerian | I also think C_TalkingHead.GetCurrentLineInfo() is causing access violations. :| |
| 06:01.51 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: why are you not playing wildstar anymore |
| 06:01.59 | Andols2 | Talking head? :o |
| 06:02.36 | Xuerian | Because the rest of the game had lots of issues, ran off lots of players, and now there's no one to play with, Stanzilla. Also it doesn't have a decade of lore. |
| 06:02.51 | Xuerian | Andols2: yeah, the npc voicelines popup thing |
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| 06:06.13 | ls- | damn, dunno why, but I keep reading Xuerian like xue-ri-an in Chinese T_T |
| 06:06.46 | Xuerian | People regularly think I'm Chinese, so it doesn't surprise me. What's that mean? o_O |
| 06:07.11 | ls- | no meaning, I just read it as if it's in chinese |
| 06:08.07 | Xuerian | Ah, good. I was afraid I came up with a tourist-trap tattoo style name on accident, instead of just a random name. |
| 06:08.46 | ls- | well, for example, you could write out as snow-sun-peaceful :D |
| 06:09.31 | Xuerian | Huh. Pretty neat actually. Thanks for explaining it |
| 06:13.09 | ls- | I guess it's just a habbit, I used to live/work in China, so right now whenever I see something that sorta resembles chinese, even if it' |
| 06:13.13 | ls- | ugh |
| 06:13.24 | ls- | it's written in some other language, I read it in chinese :D |
| 06:17.08 | ls- | I wonder if this link works, http://translate.google.cn/#zh-CN/en/%E9%9B%AA%20%E6%97%A5%20%E5%AE%89, that how I pronounce your name, hahaha :D |
| 06:18.56 | Xuerian | Yeah, it works. Interesting, I wondered what the pronunciation would be too. Also neat that it slows it down when you play it a second time |
| 06:20.21 | Torhal | TIL Xuerian is a reason for kids to get out of school. |
| 06:20.55 | Xuerian | That has some amusing implications. |
| 06:20.59 | Torhal | o.O |
| 06:21.15 | Xuerian | You know, without context. |
| 06:21.28 | Torhal | I'm still lacking it. |
| 06:21.40 | ls- | O_o |
| 06:22.15 | Xuerian | Things besides a snow day that would get kids sent home from school |
| 06:22.27 | Xuerian | Really tangential I'm just bored trying to reproduce this crash. |
| 06:25.48 | NuSuey | morning |
| 06:26.09 | ls- | morning :p |
| 06:26.41 | Xuerian | o/ |
| 06:26.59 | ls- | Xuerian, people think that you're chinese, because Rian (or Ryan) Xue is a legit name for an ABC, haha |
| 06:27.14 | ls- | i'm done with this topic |
| 06:27.37 | Xuerian | That makes even more sense :D |
| 06:30.23 | NuSuey | soooo.. did I undertood that correctly that survival hunter is KINDA - charge-ish with that harpoon ability? after playing druid in wod a bit I i'm so used to the style of combat that I can charge towards a enemy .. so survival is kinda like that then? :) |
| 06:33.00 | ls- | a bit offtopic, wish blizz made surv into shadow hunter spec |
| 06:33.21 | Xuerian | If they did that, then they'd take it away in a future expansion and give it to demon hunters. /warlock |
| 06:34.15 | ls- | I don't think that shadow hunter would work as a proper class w/ specs |
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| 06:34.44 | NuSuey | want to start a survival hunter .. but if found out you get the harpoon spell like on lvl 20? meh thats gonna take me ages (few hours to level!) :D |
| 06:35.12 | Xuerian | Heh I'm all for getting more interesting specs, salt aside |
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| 06:37.02 | ls- | ugh, I need to farm more pocket fel spreaders, got 10 so far, need 10 more, so I could resell them in a year or so... |
| 06:38.29 | NuSuey | btw still hope for a few things to come to wow.. with the tech which is legion and the invasions.. I just hope they just somehow just remove the levels altogether (maybe?) and let you just (dunno what the right word would be for that thing) adjust your dmg for whatever you are killing in every zone.. |
| 06:38.40 | NuSuey | and also let horde & alliance queue together |
| 06:40.07 | NuSuey | and...stuff.. |
| 06:40.12 | NuSuey | mostly the stuff |
| 06:40.13 | Xuerian | Being able to level off of any content at or below your level like GW2 would be great |
| 06:40.14 | ls- | on one hand I really like zone scaling thingy, on the other hand I live roflstomping through old content :p |
| 06:40.24 | ls- | love* |
| 06:40.59 | Xuerian | Stomping is neat but it seems to me like having old zones still be able to present a mild challenge would be useful for events and other content. (Like invasions do, just.. all the time) |
| 06:41.04 | ls- | I think it should be optional, FFXIV style, where you have to press sync button |
| 06:43.16 | NuSuey | Xuerian: agree.. but I guess removing levels would be weird..but.. what would that be like.. you would be able to go into every zone and let it scale for you? but how would that be even.. I would make a lvl 10 character that would try to kill stuff with a few spells in legion? I mean.. that sounds insane >.< |
| 06:43.16 | Xuerian | That'd be neat. Also, they really axed grimoire of sacrifice, too. _shiny_. |
| 06:44.18 | Xuerian | NuSuey: notice I said downwards, so an 90 could play with his 10 friend in 10 content (and maybe get a secondary currency instead of xp like wildstar did. THERE IT IS AGAIN) |
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| 06:44.34 | ls- | ahahaha :D |
| 06:44.36 | Xuerian | I'd like it to go both ways, but it seems like downwards would be a lot simpler |
| 06:45.31 | NuSuey | and what did I think about also when I was waiting on the bus today? well looking for group .. what would that be like if you would be able to queue for EVERYTHING but that would scale it for you.. <3 :D |
| 06:45.46 | Xuerian | JUST LIKE THAT OTHER GAME I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME FOR |
| 06:45.52 | Xuerian | oh yeah ffxiv |
| 06:45.56 | Xuerian | (also wildstar) |
| 06:45.56 | NuSuey | hh:D |
| 06:46.30 | Xuerian | Though XIV had a better system for that, they had daily quests (duties) that got you to queue for lower dungeons being scaled-down |
| 06:46.55 | NuSuey | BLIZZ .. Y U NO MAKE THIS HAPPEN!? |
| 06:47.26 | ls- | it might happen, but later, who knows :p |
| 06:47.37 | Xuerian | It seems like with Legion they have most of the stuff in place to do it |
| 06:47.58 | Torhal | You're fine as long as you don't go all Amarande on us, Xuerian. You know, the hour-long three-paragraph-per-line monologues and dropping SWTOR and LOTRO every sixth paragraph... |
| 06:48.00 | Xuerian | Though who knows, it seems like they came at it from the mob side instead of player side |
| 06:48.04 | NuSuey | legion invasions are a good experiment for their scaling tech :) |
| 06:48.06 | Xuerian | Torhal: I try not to :( |
| 06:48.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:48.46 | Torhal | You're actually having a conversation about game mechanics. He'd just name-drop them out of context and then go on a rant for hours. |
| 06:48.56 | ls- | as for ally + horde, I'd love to see an option for treason, like you start as an ally for example, but then do a quest to betray your faction and go full "for the horde!!!". any further treasons might be sold as a service for real money. |
| 06:49.28 | Xuerian | True, I might rant but it's almost always about WoW in the first place, even if I might jump up and leave the computer to start raving in general now and then >_> |
| 06:49.50 | Xuerian | I'd really like the traitor option too. CoH/V did it pretty well (RIP) |
| 06:50.42 | Xuerian | Of course they were intending to not have solid faction limitations before launch anyways, in the interviews they gave they were saying the rep system would world with any faction and let your character ally with whoever |
| 06:51.08 | NuSuey | ls-: wow what a great idea.. :D |
| 06:52.26 | ls- | someone twitt it @WatcherDev, asap :D |
| 06:52.38 | Xuerian | Now I want to find that interview again. I think it was in PCGamer magazine? |
| 06:55.16 | NuSuey | I hoped they will remove / or somehow make the horde + alliance queuing available for legion.. I mean.. there are demons & stuff.. what about just holding hands and slap their faces with awesomness... |
| 06:55.59 | ls- | I play on PvP realms for a reason, I love cutting gnomes' throats :p |
| 06:56.30 | Xuerian | Duno. I'm not against it, but xfaction queues don't seem to be really useful until the population tanks (see, again, wildstar) |
| 06:57.34 | ls- | yeah, xfaction queues might make things worse, especially for dps classes... |
| 06:58.05 | Xuerian | Well. I mean tanks as in doesn't exist |
| 06:58.49 | ls- | ikr, I was just talking about negative consequences for players |
| 07:00.31 | Xuerian | Ah, yeah |
| 07:02.01 | ls- | pvp queues might become non-existent though |
| 07:02.18 | ls- | xfaction queue + auto-merc mode |
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| 07:02.51 | Xuerian | yeah, merc mode could be useful in pvp, queues there start hurting long before pvp |
| 07:02.54 | Xuerian | er, pve |
| 07:04.16 | ls- | I quit raiding quite long ago, mostly pvp nowadays, blood dk <3 |
| 07:04.29 | ls- | well, it's unholy rn... |
| 07:05.05 | NuSuey | I really like unholy :) leveled him to lvl 99 now with a steam controller (thanks consoleport addon!) |
| 07:06.12 | ls- | I like frost more than unholy, but frost eats dick rn T_T |
| 07:06.24 | ls- | damn, GetPVPTimer is bugged... |
| 07:06.36 | NuSuey | I like classes with pets.. so unholy has pets ..sooo.. <3 |
| 07:06.37 | NuSuey | :D |
| 07:06.45 | ls- | IsPVPTimerRunning returns true, but GetPVPTimer returns 999ms T_T |
| 07:07.55 | ls- | blood dk is quite weak rn too, but kills hunters easily |
| 07:09.38 | ls- | asphyxiate > random abilites > gg ez, /spit |
| 07:09.54 | ls- | that's how MM hunter dies :D |
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| 07:14.14 | VIad | ls-: tanks are not that bad in pvp, but they can't kill a healer, not to mention healer+1dps :p |
| 07:14.38 | ls- | yeah, but bdk is sorta weak now :( |
| 07:14.49 | VIad | would assume all tanks in pvp are sorta weak |
| 07:15.06 | VIad | maybe good for spotting, defending and just surviving a bit longer, but nothing substantial |
| 07:15.17 | VIad | maybe handle those one dps that rush to try cap blacksmith :p |
| 07:16.47 | ls- | haha :p |
| 07:17.50 | ls- | damn, seems like GetPVPTimer bug is in game since forever T_T |
| 07:17.52 | ls- | oh wel.. |
| 07:17.54 | ls- | well* |
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| 09:30.53 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: in the Clique window, you can right-click each bind and pick when it's going to be used. pick "hovercast" for your binds and it should work whenever you're over a unitframe or a unit in the 3D world. I'm not sure nameplate frames are actually unitframes now, though. You can try. |
| 09:31.22 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: in any case, nameplates have gained proper first-class units in 7.0, so jnwhiteh might be able to support them natively, too |
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| 09:47.19 | Gnarfoz | that code reads like magic to me |
| 09:47.40 | Gnarfoz | SecureHandler* is voodoo |
| 09:48.49 | Gnarfoz | I fail to see how frames end up in the "ccframes" table... is it because it "hooks" the "export_register" attribute change? |
| 09:49.54 | Gnarfoz | (how does that make sure it "sees" all frames being exported? isn't that a race condition? ...probably, these questions are answered in that secure templates PDF that is so daunting. :D) |
| 10:47.34 | Semlar | Guill, TheDanW: C_ArtifactUI.GetRelicInfoByItemID returns "Wind" for the "Storm" type of relic, and RELIC_SLOT_TYPE_WIND is "Storm" |
| 10:48.40 | Andols | O_o |
| 10:49.07 | nebula | storms obviously have wind |
| 10:49.26 | Semlar | well i think they renamed it from Wind, but it doesn't match the global |
| 10:51.52 | Semlar | and since it only returns a localized string that's not good |
| 10:53.00 | nevcairiel | Yeah it was renamed in beta |
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| 11:36.25 | nevcairiel | So wh |
| 11:36.35 | Kalroth | i dont even |
| 11:36.56 | nevcairiel | So mmoc blue tracker is even more broken now, maybe someone will finally bother to fix it? |
| 11:40.11 | VIad | without a proper json/xml/whatever you kind of have to parse html and thats prone to breaking |
| 11:40.19 | VIad | one slight change on blizzards end and down it goes again |
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| 11:40.44 | VIad | kind of silly why there are no rss feeds one can sub to for threads or forums :/ |
| 11:44.58 | nebula | nevcairiel: i think chaud said someone was told, and that they should get to it sometime in the morning (was last night) |
| 11:46.20 | nevcairiel | VIad: then you should make sure it keeps working, it's been half broken ever since they switched the website, and now it's even more broken. Either offer and maintain something, or shut it down. Half assed things just look bad. |
| 11:47.32 | VIad | I agree |
| 11:48.04 | VIad | chaud should make it a github thing so the community can help make it better, if they dont have time :p |
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| 11:53.12 | Kinesia | What approach do people use to debug? Some form of print to the general tab? |
| 11:53.36 | nevcairiel | Among other things |
| 11:54.35 | Kinesia | Ooh, mysterious! |
| 11:54.56 | VIad | you only need print |
| 11:55.10 | VIad | maybe /dump too |
| 11:55.18 | Stanzilla | Semlar: /dump SPELL_POWER_LUNAR_POWER |
| 11:56.05 | ls- | yeah, and some chat addon, if you want to copy text from chat frame |
| 11:57.15 | Kinesia | Thanks. |
| 12:02.43 | ls- | damn, I hate writing feature descriptions for in-game configs T_T I hate in-game configs in general, making one is the worst part of addon development... |
| 12:03.25 | VIad | ls-: you can always be lazy and use AceGUI library :p |
| 12:03.44 | ls- | NEVAH! |
| 12:04.33 | VIad | then suffer and cry |
| 12:05.01 | ls- | that's what I'm doing rn :'( |
| 12:05.36 | nebula | using acegui wouldn't do much to relieve suffering |
| 12:07.03 | ls- | yeah, it doesn't magically remove "writing feature descriptions" part... |
| 12:48.13 | Semlar | oh ffs the same relic can have a different number of sockets |
| 12:48.20 | Semlar | i mean artifact |
| 12:49.22 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=128943 2 slots, http://www.wowhead.com/item=128943&bonus=748 3 slots |
| 12:49.33 | Stanzilla | that is true for every single one |
| 12:49.38 | Stanzilla | you unlock the third slot |
| 12:49.49 | Stanzilla | via a quest |
| 12:50.35 | Semlar | so how do i figure out what the third socket is going to be from the db2 files |
| 12:52.19 | Semlar | it's not going to change is it |
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| 12:57.37 | Gnarfoz | it's not |
| 12:58.04 | Semlar | i'm sure it would be faster to just hardcode all of these than try and figure it out |
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| 13:26.16 | Semlar | getting sent back to your own realm because everyone leaves the group before you loot a corpse sucks, by the way |
| 13:26.31 | Semlar | it would be nice if it mailed it to you |
| 13:27.11 | foxlit | what are these group things you're talking about? |
| 13:27.25 | Semlar | slinks back to the garrison |
| 13:28.09 | Semlar | i forgot this was a single player mmo |
| 13:29.32 | Semlar | if you're in a cross-realm group to kill something and you die and everyone loots the corpse and leaves before you get back to the body, you just get sent back to your own server and can't loot the corpse |
| 13:30.04 | Ironii | don't you just get mailed the items when the mob despawns? |
| 13:30.07 | Semlar | nope |
| 13:30.23 | nevcairiel | for some things, but probably not for everything |
| 13:30.30 | Semlar | although that behavior is probably dependent on the mob |
| 13:31.31 | Semlar | i bet there's a flag they can set on a per-mob basis for whether it will screw you over so you don't get your loot |
| 13:32.06 | foxlit | 'Annoy realm-hopping peasants?' |
| 13:32.30 | Semlar | check |
| 13:33.35 | Semlar | at some point on the timeless isle i think they just made it impossible to not get your loot for killing something |
| 13:34.41 | nebula | the postmaster was very concerned about you missing that vendor trash |
| 13:35.08 | Semlar | there were so many people tapping things that the loot was always busy when you tried to loot it |
| 13:35.52 | Semlar | and at some point they changed it so as long as you tried to loot it, it eventually showed up even if you just walked away |
| 13:36.06 | Semlar | so you didn't have to stand there waiting for it |
| 13:36.41 | Semlar | on that note, how is it that personal loot can even be busy |
| 13:36.51 | Semlar | how does looting work |
| 13:38.26 | nevcairiel | "carefully" |
| 13:38.31 | nevcairiel | some of the game sytems are just very old |
| 13:38.43 | Semlar | if i just keep spamming the loot button does that help |
| 13:38.58 | Semlar | that should help right |
| 13:39.05 | nevcairiel | evnetually |
| 13:41.08 | VIad | shouldn't the postmaster send you stuff you don't loot when a corpse expires? |
| 13:41.23 | VIad | I thought that was the deal with it :p |
| 13:41.37 | nevcairiel | we discussed that a couple minutes ago, read up :P |
| 13:41.38 | VIad | I have to say I rarely get stuff from him, and when I do it's always bat guano from shadowmoon |
| 13:41.55 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:42.07 | VIad | at the same time I mentioned Semlar about tagging kazzak then proceeding into a dungeon queue |
| 13:42.14 | VIad | in the middle of the dungeon I got kazzak loot :P |
| 13:42.26 | VIad | just given to me since thats how he works |
| 13:43.11 | VIad | they should just modernize their looting system to be better at just giving you boss loot, and mob stuff to mail you items you didnt pickup when the corpse despawns |
| 13:43.45 | VIad | I dunno, or just have some "uncollected" interface to let you pick up stuff after instance expires or corpses despawn, so it's like a "oh hey, check this out before you run off" |
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| 13:53.10 | VIad | maybe wow 8.0 |
| 13:53.47 | nevcairiel | looting the boss is a big part of the loot experience, i dont think they want to make something to trivialize that part away so that noone does it anymore |
| 13:54.42 | nevcairiel | cross-realm hoping is not something they like, so i doubt they are overly concerned with any drawbacks from that =p |
| 13:57.29 | Thunder_Child | I think I would prefer removing vendor trash from the game and having things just appear in your inventory. Just one less thing you have to do. |
| 13:58.13 | Constie | I like vendor trash. |
| 13:58.23 | nevcairiel | its just flavor |
| 13:58.28 | Ressy | yay money? |
| 13:58.28 | nevcairiel | dont want to remove too much flavor |
| 13:58.34 | Constie | Yeah, that. |
| 13:58.40 | Semlar | i like when the master looter is stuck distributing loot while the rest of the raid moves on and then it defaults to group loot when something drops and they're out of range |
| 13:59.06 | Thunder_Child | Ressy: Well, the money on the retrived would be increased to make up the difference. |
| 13:59.07 | nevcairiel | your loot distribution takes way too long if thats a common problem :D |
| 13:59.17 | Constie | Also sometimes they do funny or atmospheric grays, and it's nice that those can be a thing. |
| 13:59.20 | Thunder_Child | s/on the // |
| 13:59.42 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 13:59.51 | nevcairiel | i overall like the trash items |
| 14:00.41 | nevcairiel | i do have an addon to sell them all automatically, but that doesnt prevent me from enjoying the flavor when one of the special ones drop |
| 14:01.21 | nevcairiel | like, why would some random blobs carry gold with them? they ahve blob residue on them instead, which for some reason some npc will pay you for :) |
| 14:02.23 | Thunder_Child | Because when a blob killed someone they absorbed the gold on the corpse. |
| 14:02.30 | Constie | They sell it to someone else, who sells it to someone else, and so on, and at the end of the chain is a mad scientist who uses the residue to make new blobs, and those are the respawns. |
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| 15:01.52 | Gnarfoz | Constie: marvellous |
| 15:03.47 | Hazal | Is there a way to make a macro or a button I can click which interacts with my target? |
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| 15:09.05 | ls- | Daaaaaamn, win10 tried to update itself, but crashed T_T Had to recover it from a backup... |
| 15:09.45 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 15:10.05 | Semlar | Hazal: no |
| 15:10.19 | ls- | win10 w/ AU is unstable af :( |
| 15:10.20 | Semlar | it can only be through a keybind |
| 15:12.17 | Shockah|Work | ...wait, can you use SetBinding in combat? |
| 15:12.30 | Shockah|Work | just wondering |
| 15:12.34 | Semlar | yes |
| 15:12.48 | foxlit | or no. |
| 15:12.51 | foxlit | depends who's asking. |
| 15:12.54 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 15:13.47 | Shockah|Work | you just made me realize addons can switch bindings, and if that works in combat, can't you like, switch the same button to different actionbar buttons? |
| 15:14.09 | Shockah|Work | ...effectively making a "bot" with an addon requiring you to spam one keyboard button |
| 15:14.12 | foxlit | * terms and conditions apply. |
| 15:14.28 | Shockah|Work | hm? |
| 15:14.37 | VIad | I made a portal bot that I had to spam one button to summon portal that people whispered me to make :d |
| 15:14.41 | Semlar | i mean you'd be stuck in the restricted environment so you wouldn't have much to base which spell you pick off of |
| 15:15.10 | Shockah|Work | you have access to your and your target's status in any frame, don't you |
| 15:15.23 | Shockah|Work | you can also check your cooldowns |
| 15:15.28 | Shockah|Work | i meant more like a rotation bot |
| 15:15.42 | Semlar | no |
| 15:15.46 | foxlit | yes. |
| 15:15.50 | Semlar | :( |
| 15:15.54 | foxlit | but we don't talk about that, ssh. |
| 15:16.00 | nevcairiel | SetBindings is protected in combat |
| 15:16.27 | foxlit | because at some point someone will almost certainly fix it, and then how will Semlar progress through levelling content? :) |
| 15:16.28 | Semlar | stop trying to get them to disable more things |
| 15:16.35 | Shockah|Work | :C |
| 15:16.36 | VIad | if you keep making up ideas for addons, TheDanW will protect all the apis |
| 15:16.42 | Shockah|Work | :CCC |
| 15:16.45 | Shockah|Work | sowwy |
| 15:17.06 | Shockah|Work | was just a random thought since i can't think about Obj-C anymore today |
| 15:17.13 | Shockah|Work | and i've got like 15 more minutes to sit here |
| 15:17.30 | foxlit | but more seriously, the system is designed in a way that makes it difficult for you to do actual combat *decisions* |
| 15:17.51 | Shockah|Work | well there are things like SpellFlash |
| 15:17.54 | foxlit | you could rotate your bindings to do an equivalent of a faceroll on your keyboard (and both Semlar and I have addons to do that), but that's not really decisions. |
| 15:18.20 | Semlar | i can't believe how many people actually use gnomesequencer |
| 15:18.52 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 15:19.38 | Semlar | i should make a new one |
| 15:19.51 | ls- | hehe... |
| 15:20.09 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i could just auto-generate sequences based on your spell cooldowns |
| 15:20.12 | foxlit | there are oversights that break this separation of decision-making and information, but they exist only for as long as nobody actually uses them at scale. |
| 15:21.40 | Semlar | populate the table with your spellbook and then just literally pick a random number and cast it |
| 15:22.00 | ls- | :D perfect for DH |
| 15:22.20 | Semlar | this is why they made /castrandom not advance when it failed to cast something |
| 15:22.24 | foxlit | proceed to taunt the boss and die. |
| 15:22.45 | VIad | you can't make that work in combat anymore, can you? |
| 15:22.52 | Semlar | you can |
| 15:23.02 | VIad | sounds weird if you can, in combat, change the spell cast order based on CD :/ |
| 15:23.11 | Semlar | no you can't change it based on the cooldown |
| 15:23.12 | VIad | or you mean just random from a table each push? |
| 15:23.19 | VIad | so you can push 100 times a second |
| 15:23.20 | VIad | :p |
| 15:23.25 | VIad | gaming keyboards |
| 15:23.31 | VIad | hold down to spam kind of automation |
| 15:23.42 | Semlar | or literal automation |
| 15:24.23 | Semlar | i mean at that point the keyboard may as well be the one hitting random keys |
| 15:27.17 | VIad | off topic, but rogue with barnes and http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/33164-blood-of-the-ancient-one you get a 30/30 at turn 4, if you start with coin and barnes |
| 15:27.24 | VIad | think shadowstep is also required :p |
| 15:27.25 | foxlit | from the totally-legit-uses-of-things department, I kind of provide [selfbuff:name] as a way to check whether you have a buff, and someone wants to check whether there is at least some number of charges of that buff. What's a syntax that doesn't suck? |
| 15:27.27 | Semlar | did they remove the spellbook tab that sort of told you how to play |
| 15:27.31 | VIad | yes sme |
| 15:27.34 | VIad | Semlar: |
| 15:27.41 | VIad | I have no clue why they didn't make a legion one :p |
| 15:27.48 | VIad | maybe dont expect many new players to play? |
| 15:27.54 | VIad | maybe the tutorial they made is good enough? |
| 15:27.59 | VIad | (if you boost to 100) |
| 15:28.20 | Semlar | considering how much they modified the classes, it would have been nice to see what they expected you to use |
| 15:28.25 | VIad | yeah |
| 15:28.26 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 15:28.30 | VIad | it's simple interface tab :P |
| 15:28.31 | Shockah|Work | go go new addon |
| 15:28.33 | VIad | hardcoded |
| 15:28.40 | Semlar | instead of going through an essentially unsorted spellbook to look over everything |
| 15:28.47 | foxlit | 'Get me a default action bar for this character' |
| 15:28.56 | VIad | but wouldn't you break the spellbook if you added a new tab in the spellbook frame? |
| 15:29.01 | Shockah|Work | that wouldn't work very well foxlit |
| 15:29.09 | Shockah|Work | because people use different binds |
| 15:29.32 | foxlit | Well maybe we should grind up those unique snowflakes and make a to-specifications raid bot. |
| 15:29.58 | VIad | protadins could maybe have one button tank :p |
| 15:30.11 | VIad | so many abilities with CD that flat out reduce dmg |
| 15:30.16 | VIad | (short CDs) |
| 15:30.30 | foxlit | (in the sense of being interchangeable rather than automated) |
| 15:30.52 | Semlar | i guess the 6 spells they show on the spec tab is supposed to be the replacement for the one they removed |
| 15:31.08 | Semlar | they have custom tooltips |
| 15:31.12 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:31.20 | VIad | makes sense then, I didnt pay close attention to those :d |
| 15:31.27 | Semlar | which is actually annoying because it doesn't show the spell cooldowns or anything |
| 15:33.12 | VIad | does it even have drag to pickup the spell? |
| 15:33.18 | Semlar | yeah |
| 15:33.22 | VIad | always annoyed me that default UI with spell elements didn't have that in wod |
| 15:33.26 | VIad | like talents frame |
| 15:33.44 | Semlar | talent frame let you drag the spell |
| 15:33.52 | VIad | good, then they fixed that for legion |
| 15:34.08 | Semlar | no it had that for WoD, i had to account for it in my "auto-confirm-talents" addon |
| 15:34.17 | VIad | then maybe wod fixed it |
| 15:34.32 | VIad | I made an addon for it back pre wod :p |
| 15:36.45 | VIad | karl_w_w: trymike4instance pubscrubs 15 |
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| 15:46.23 | ls- | Gethe's "stick" is getting longer and longer |
| 15:46.58 | Gethe_ | :O |
| 15:48.08 | ls- | that's what she said |
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| 15:57.53 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/EW |
| 15:57.54 | Sharparam | fancy |
| 15:59.51 | Gnarfoz | nice find |
| 16:16.12 | Semlar | ...how is Logout() not a protected function |
| 16:16.33 | Sharparam | can't really be abused much can it? |
| 16:16.59 | nevcairiel | logging out itself has various restrictions in combat and out of rest areas |
| 16:17.18 | Sharparam | ForceQuit() however |
| 16:17.22 | Sharparam | (or is it ForceExit?) |
| 16:17.35 | Semlar | ForceLogout |
| 16:18.03 | mfgmfg2 | don't want some addon sneaking that in for an april fools joke |
| 16:18.17 | Semlar | ForceQuit also isn't protected btw |
| 16:18.17 | Sharparam | doesn't seem like ForceQuit is protected |
| 16:18.22 | Sharparam | and it can be run in combat i think |
| 16:18.58 | nebula | i have an snippet that calls ForceQuit on idle :D |
| 16:19.02 | Semlar | i can't RELOAD but i can force quit the game |
| 16:19.49 | Semlar | i assume because it can flush the saved variables relatively unobtrusively compared to logging out |
| 16:20.15 | nebula | too bad you need to log out to flush the combat log |
| 16:21.50 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/Eg ugh, why does bartender even need a minimap icon? |
| 16:22.03 | VIad | you can turn icons off |
| 16:22.08 | VIad | in most decently coded addons |
| 16:22.09 | Sharparam | globally? |
| 16:22.15 | nevcairiel | legacy for people to find the config |
| 16:22.16 | Sharparam | yeah but i have to go into each addon :P |
| 16:22.19 | VIad | per addon basis - globally probably too :p |
| 16:22.31 | Semlar | there are addons to sweep those buttons up |
| 16:22.40 | VIad | you usually add one addon at a time, unless you just dump in 100 addons and login at once - all new |
| 16:22.45 | Sharparam | i have chocolate bar for ldb stuff |
| 16:23.01 | VIad | Semlar: about that, is the best way just sweep children and find button widgets and assume its minimap icons? |
| 16:23.09 | Sharparam | yeah i dumped a bunch of addons in since i'm back from over a year ago :P |
| 16:23.38 | Semlar | i have no idea what the "best" way to identify minimap buttons is |
| 16:23.55 | VIad | we should use a LibStubMinimap thing ;/ |
| 16:24.05 | VIad | get some standards on the table |
| 16:24.06 | nebula | LibLDBIcon |
| 16:24.12 | Semlar | i know one of those addons was choking on another addon that kept adding animated dots to the minimap |
| 16:24.22 | nebula | LibDBIcon? one of those |
| 16:24.29 | VIad | hmm |
| 16:26.37 | VIad | we need like a wiki with such info for ourselves |
| 16:26.41 | VIad | addon coders 101 handbook |
| 16:26.49 | VIad | and add these standards on it :p as official guidelines |
| 16:27.02 | VIad | like the minimap shape api and such |
| 16:27.33 | mischanix | Re: UnitPosition, 30/40 yards is useful information for deriving (relative) positions: https://gist.github.com/Mischanix/037b81d58d7d5bd2d7a850ef8a6533a5#file-positions-go-L200-L201 |
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| 16:29.01 | mischanix | Very dirty/slightly wrong model but the idea is generate N-man raid condition, quantize player ranges, use the quantized values to derive positions back, and calculate the total error |
| 16:31.20 | mischanix | Since the bucket sizes are 30,10,40, I think the expected average error is from 5 to 20 for N_players approaching infinity depending on how spread-out the raid is. If you can get more buckets/smaller bucket sizes, then there'll be less error |
| 16:32.16 | mischanix | er, not infinity, but some quantum based on the fact that they all are inside an r=40 circle around the boss at 0,0 |
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| 16:35.35 | _Kee | Do you recommend any lib to get item's tooltip text? |
| 16:36.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.43 | VIad | if we had a lib we could have a queue system with callbacks or what not, caching even |
| 16:37.14 | _Kee | Thanks, Semlar |
| 16:38.07 | nebula | maybe he wants the stuff on the right, Semlar |
| 16:38.22 | Semlar | nah i doubt it |
| 16:38.38 | Semlar | lefttext onlytext |
| 16:39.45 | _Kee | I just need to check if current equipped hat is a fishing hat (has "Equip: Fishing skill increased by X.") |
| 16:40.14 | Semlar | how many fishing hats are there |
| 16:40.23 | nebula | would probably be easier to just check by item id |
| 16:40.45 | Semlar | plus you wouldn't have to worry about localization |
| 16:41.01 | VIad | did blizz fix guardian issue with you cant stop them attacking everything when they are with you in the world? thinking class hall bodyguards now |
| 16:41.38 | nebula | they have better ai now |
| 16:42.27 | Semlar | i can't figure out how the ai puts hunter's mark on every person in the raid when i get mind controlled |
| 16:42.40 | Semlar | clearly it knows my spells better than i do |
| 16:42.44 | nebula | ai too smart |
| 16:42.58 | nebula | first think mc'd hunters use to do it fucking tranq shot off my vengeance |
| 16:43.01 | nebula | thing* |
| 16:43.13 | Semlar | i assume it's from sidewinders |
| 16:43.35 | Semlar | normally the first thing i do is run up and punch people |
| 16:43.47 | Semlar | i'm always disappointed when it doesn't cast barrage |
| 16:44.26 | nebula | then again, as a warrior i would run around stance dancing the entire time |
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| 16:47.07 | VIad | vanilla MC in some dungeons |
| 16:47.09 | VIad | was pretty OP |
| 16:47.13 | VIad | used all your CDs |
| 16:47.22 | VIad | maybe TBC too |
| 16:47.33 | VIad | at some point MC got boiled down to autoattacking :/ |
| 16:48.18 | nebula | lol my funniest mc moment was in tbc on kael, two rogues got mc'd, ran at one of our priests and globaled him |
| 16:48.19 | Semlar | i've had it cast something that dispels mind control |
| 16:48.26 | Semlar | like ice block |
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| 16:49.10 | VIad | :d |
| 16:49.28 | VIad | bwl drakonid if you got all the debuffs |
| 16:49.31 | VIad | fun stun wiping my raid :d |
| 16:49.43 | VIad | 1000% all stats hunter death machine |
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| 16:50.00 | Semlar | that's what i put on my resume |
| 16:50.16 | VIad | chicks line up |
| 16:50.38 | nebula | Semlar: they they notice you're a panda and move to the next resume |
| 16:50.41 | nebula | then* |
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| 16:51.04 | Semlar | such is life |
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| 16:51.51 | Thunder_Child | Bear life. |
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| 16:53.03 | TheDanW | Semlar: C_ArtifactUI.GetRelicInfoByItemID's third return "Wind" is unlocalized, design changed the name but the code remained as Wind |
| 16:53.41 | Semlar | they aren't localized? |
| 16:53.49 | Semlar | well alright |
| 16:53.56 | Semlar | that works |
| 16:54.02 | VIad | is there a safety mechanism to drop heirloom trinkets? my friend has done like 36 boss kills and 1 heirloom so far :/ |
| 16:54.18 | VIad | dont know what to do to help him last week |
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| 16:55.38 | kullervo | do more boss kills |
| 16:55.52 | VIad | :p |
| 16:56.05 | VIad | I got all mine within 36 boss kills |
| 16:56.10 | kullervo | I did like, so many, and received 4 trinkets from a single slagmines run |
| 16:56.55 | VIad | hearing that some still have none after many weeks |
| 16:57.00 | VIad | sucks :7 |
| 16:57.11 | Semlar | i have 2 heirloom trinkets and i've run like 3 mythic dungeons |
| 16:57.27 | Semlar | soo |
| 16:58.03 | VIad | lucky? |
| 16:58.07 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 16:58.17 | Semlar | i can see when other people get them and it was relatively frequently |
| 16:58.29 | Semlar | did he actually check his heirloom tab |
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| 16:59.06 | VIad | yes |
| 16:59.10 | VIad | in despair |
| 16:59.26 | kullervo | more alts |
| 16:59.39 | Semlar | does he have other level 100s? |
| 16:59.45 | VIad | we do it on alts :p |
| 16:59.53 | Semlar | as far as i can tell the second heirloom it gave me was for my tank |
| 17:00.02 | Semlar | could just be a coincidence though |
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| 17:02.27 | Semlar | i guess there's a dropdown option for showing other classes |
| 17:02.58 | kullervo | there is |
| 17:04.12 | VIad | ye |
| 17:10.38 | Torhal | Would anyone happen to have an updated list of sound paths? |
| 17:11.30 | Semlar | how up to date |
| 17:11.41 | Torhal | Legion Beta? |
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| 17:12.04 | Semlar | i exported the list of file paths right before they removed them |
| 17:12.15 | Semlar | but that was probably a couple months ago |
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| 17:12.22 | Torhal | :O |
| 17:12.30 | Torhal | The sound(s) I'm looking for are probably in there. |
| 17:12.47 | Torhal | All I have are the PlaySound names |
| 17:12.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.52 | Torhal | Not PlaySoundFile |
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| 17:12.57 | Torhal | Thankye |
| 17:13.12 | Semlar | foxlit might have something on his site |
| 17:13.42 | Semlar | i don't see anything for sounds though |
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| 17:14.15 | Torhal | I've never seen a loading status bar in Sublime Text before just now. |
| 17:14.18 | Torhal | ... |
| 17:14.43 | Semlar | >_> |
| 17:15.00 | Semlar | time to get the hex editor |
| 17:15.37 | Semlar | are you after something specific |
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| 17:19.12 | Torhal | Meh. Not in there by that name. |
| 17:20.15 | mischanix | 1489461 |
| 17:20.42 | Semlar | you just want the sound kit ID? |
| 17:21.11 | Torhal | Unfortunately LibSharedMedia uses paths. |
| 17:21.13 | Torhal | Might be time for a -4.0 |
| 17:21.35 | Torhal | PlaySoundFile won't accept kit IDs, either, so... yeah. |
| 17:21.52 | Semlar | there's a PlaySoundKitID function |
| 17:22.07 | Semlar | eg PlaySoundKitID(63971) |
| 17:22.22 | Torhal | Yeah, but everything using LibSharedMedia-3.0 is using file paths. |
| 17:22.33 | Torhal | So they also use PlaySoundFile |
| 17:23.48 | Semlar | when they changed things to file IDs they didn't necessarily make the old functions that used paths work with file IDs |
| 17:23.56 | Torhal | They didn't |
| 17:24.01 | Torhal | :/ |
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| 17:47.52 | mischanix | Torhal: Sound\Interface\UI_Legendary_Item_Toast.OGG |
| 17:48.24 | Torhal | mischanix: Thanks! I guess they added it very recently, since it wasn't in Semlar's dump. Hmm. |
| 17:49.04 | mischanix | Indeed, they named the SoundKit differently than the sound, so I had to guess the name from other similar sounds >.> |
| 17:49.30 | Torhal | Awesome. Much appreciated :) |
| 17:53.40 | Thunder_Child | diff all the audio files and link the ones that match in a db? |
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| 18:02.03 | Semlar | TheDanW: would it be possible to add something that lets us interact with a unit through their unit frame, since nameplates have unit IDs now |
| 18:02.22 | Semlar | or maybe call the function from the restricted environment |
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| 18:06.40 | Semlar | TheDanW: also, the achievement ui thinks my character was created in 1970 |
| 18:07.14 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with targeting and then interacting |
| 18:07.15 | Thunder_Child | Maybe it was. |
| 18:07.38 | Semlar | nevcairiel: you'd have to bind interact with target to a key |
| 18:07.46 | nevcairiel | so? |
| 18:07.46 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:07.47 | Semlar | i'd prefer to just right click on their frame |
| 18:08.30 | Semlar | interact with mouseover actually works with unit frames, but not if you use the mouse |
| 18:08.42 | Semlar | because the unit frame intercepts and blocks the mouse |
| 18:08.58 | Semlar | which is the dumbest thing |
| 18:10.28 | Semlar | i tried to just rebind the right click to interact with mouseover, but since it's a mouse click the "mouse-enabled" unit frame somehow BLOCKS the mouse from interacting with your mouseover target |
| 18:10.35 | Semlar | even though it is your mouseover target |
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| 18:34.41 | TheDanW | Semlar: i could add it to the list of requests to talk about |
| 18:35.42 | Semlar | if i go to my achievement stats tab my average gold per day is my total gold earned over like 46 years |
| 18:36.23 | Semlar | does it just not know when my character was created or something |
| 18:38.22 | nevcairiel | maybe the info is lost for very old chars |
| 18:38.35 | Semlar | it doesn't seem to matter when the character was created |
| 18:39.00 | Semlar | it works on characters that were made in vanilla |
| 18:39.42 | Semlar | i'm not sure what causes it but it doesn't work for my panda hunter or my monk that was created i think in MoP |
| 18:40.08 | Semlar | it's seemingly random |
| 18:40.59 | Semlar | and all of the average-per-day stats are affected, i assume they all use the same date |
| 18:55.12 | Gnarfoz | is there something newer than this, like this: https://github.com/cogwheel/lua-wow? |
| 18:55.36 | nevcairiel | i just use vanilla lua instead of that one |
| 18:55.52 | Gnarfoz | how does that not run into problems when using it for linting? |
| 18:56.17 | nevcairiel | because linting doesnt care if functions exist or not |
| 18:56.27 | nevcairiel | lua doesnt know about all wow api functions either |
| 18:57.10 | Gnarfoz | so it doesn't care that "wipe" doesn't exist? |
| 18:57.26 | nevcairiel | all the code it actually runs is some scripts i use for localizations, and i just cant use those functions then |
| 18:57.30 | Gnarfoz | or tinsert, or the lua 4 positional args? |
| 18:57.45 | Gnarfoz | Lua 5.3.3 it is... |
| 18:57.56 | nevcairiel | personally i stick to 5.1 just to be safe =p |
| 18:58.05 | nevcairiel | no idea what happens if you use 5.3 |
| 18:58.08 | nevcairiel | they did change some things |
| 18:58.13 | nevcairiel | on the base language level |
| 18:58.24 | Semlar | unpacks nevcairiel |
| 19:00.16 | Gnarfoz | well, if I stick to 5.1, I can use cogwheel's just as well ^^ |
| 19:00.40 | Gnarfoz | not that it's particularly important, premature optimization and all! :D |
| 19:01.39 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: you want this as whitelist for the linter btw https://www.dropbox.com/s/2bm7mn3douldwqf/wow_globals.txt?dl=0 |
| 19:02.39 | Gnarfoz | no linter-lua-wow? :p |
| 19:03.02 | Stanzilla | no |
| 19:05.51 | Gnarfoz | where does that file go? |
| 19:06.44 | Stanzilla | where you want, you enter the path in the linter settings |
| 19:07.32 | Gnarfoz | ah, found it |
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| 19:21.22 | Gnarfoz | holy shit 10 second waiting when typing anything in that file in Atom |
| 19:25.38 | Funkeh` | Guill, as well as SetStatusBarTexture not working with ids, neither does SetBackdrop, note bgFile in the table, http://pastebin.com/Ki0brb9b |
| 19:28.30 | Elmoe | is the new patch with the API changes on PTR yet? |
| 19:28.53 | Gnarfoz | that's 7.1 |
| 19:28.54 | Guill | Funkeh`: For the first issue (SetStatusBarTexture not working with IDs), that's technically a bug, but not super high priority since a) the change would not be backwards compatible (currently passing in a number sets to a solid color) b) You can easily work around it with :GetStatusBarTexture():SetTexture(id) |
| 19:29.00 | Gnarfoz | so maybe wait until Legion launches, first :P |
| 19:29.23 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: yeah I thought so but I see MysticalOS and others posting very specific information on what is breaking wrt range checkers |
| 19:29.31 | Elmoe | is there some source for details on API changes before PTR? |
| 19:29.33 | Guill | Funkeh`: For the second one (SetBackdrop), we're not really supporting SetBackdrop and it will actually be totally removed soon (tm) |
| 19:29.38 | Gnarfoz | never listen to mysticalos, that's step 1 |
| 19:29.49 | Funkeh` | lol Gnarfoz |
| 19:29.56 | Funkeh` | Guill, what should we be using? |
| 19:29.56 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: haha well he's not the only one posting |
| 19:30.10 | Guill | Currently, every frame carries some weight because of backdrops and it's easy enough to just do it yourself with textures. We'll probably make a mixin/template to make it easier. |
| 19:30.11 | Gnarfoz | he's not in here, even though this is probably the best source to actually be informed about this right now |
| 19:30.27 | Guill | Funkeh`: All backdrops do is a 9-slice with 9 textures with varying tex coords |
| 19:30.30 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: that's too vague for me anyway. where and what are they posting? |
| 19:30.50 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2052372-Gamescom-Developer-Interview-Addon-Changes-in-Patch-7-1?p=42003197&viewfull=1#post42003197 |
| 19:30.55 | Gnarfoz | ("they" should clear itself up on its own) |
| 19:30.56 | Elmoe | there is a quote from mystical |
| 19:31.06 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2052372-Gamescom-Developer-Interview-Addon-Changes-in-Patch-7-1?p=42007116&viewfull=1#post42007116 |
| 19:31.20 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: another guy posting some details that I'm not sure how he could arrive at without a preview of API changes |
| 19:31.41 | Gnarfoz | let me help you out: they're making it up as they go along, most likely. :p |
| 19:31.53 | Elmoe | haha could be thats why I was double checking in here |
| 19:31.53 | Stanzilla | ^ |
| 19:31.59 | Funkeh` | Elmoe, he's making the same assumption everyone else in making |
| 19:32.07 | Funkeh` | regarding textual proximity |
| 19:32.39 | Gnarfoz | he could have had more specifics, he could also wait before stirring the panic pot unnccessarily |
| 19:32.56 | Elmoe | yeah I'm fine if they roll back the new APIs they added in WoD |
| 19:33.01 | Gnarfoz | (could have had by being in here, I mean) |
| 19:33.05 | Elmoe | just hope they don't break GetPlayerMapPosition and GetPlayerFacing |
| 19:33.16 | Funkeh` | inside a dungeon, yes |
| 19:33.19 | Funkeh` | they will |
| 19:33.22 | Gnarfoz | you won't be able to get your or anyone else's position in "competitive instances" |
| 19:33.35 | Funkeh` | outside a dungeon you're fine |
| 19:33.39 | Elmoe | thats very vague though |
| 19:33.44 | Guill | Both GetPlayerMapPosition and GetPlayerFacing will be disabled in the same way as UnitPosition in dungeons/raids/battlegrounds/arenas. Otherwise, we'd just go back to having a library that translates between the two. |
| 19:34.01 | Gnarfoz | not really. Guill has been laying out their thoughts in here for the last couple of days. ^^ |
| 19:34.17 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: but in the end, if mystical doesn't make it sound all terrible, how will he beg for Patreon donations? :P |
| 19:34.33 | Funkeh` | there's nothing terrible about it at all |
| 19:34.42 | Elmoe | Guill: thats very unfortunate, broke core features of the addon I maintain that players have been using for many years |
| 19:34.48 | Funkeh` | the only terrible thing is the lack of clarity from blizz in what they want us to do as a replacement |
| 19:34.55 | Funkeh` | it seems like they're not sure yet |
| 19:35.12 | Gnarfoz | ...which might be because that bomb drop was a bit earlier than was helpful, tbh |
| 19:35.41 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: too bad, maybe they need to l2p? :P (what's the addon?) |
| 19:35.45 | Guill | Elmoe: If you feel that there are features this is breaking as a side-effect (i.e. not the ones we're intentionally breaking), I encourage you to write them up somewhere and, if it's something we don't want to break and can avoid breaking without allowing the things we don't want to allow, we'll do so. |
| 19:35.46 | Elmoe | Guill: can you share more on why the mentality has changed after all this time? |
| 19:35.47 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: VuhDo |
| 19:35.57 | Gnarfoz | I doubt a healing addon would be broken by this. |
| 19:36.01 | foxlit | Funkeh`: is there something wrong with "nothing, let features that relied on this die in a fire"? |
| 19:36.10 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: absolutely it will be |
| 19:36.19 | Funkeh` | foxlit, that's still technically a reply if they reply with that |
| 19:36.30 | Funkeh` | if they want all proximity dead, that's still clarification that I'd like |
| 19:36.35 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: I'm not sure how. sounds exaggerated. Why on earth would it break? |
| 19:36.41 | Guill | Elmoe: I can talk about specific API changes in here, but motivation/design questions I can't answer. |
| 19:36.48 | Elmoe | Guill: got it thanks |
| 19:37.13 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: If you play a healer it is important to know what players will be effected by an AOE healing spell |
| 19:37.14 | Funkeh` | it won't break healing since healing should be using spell ranges |
| 19:37.16 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: watch Sloot's interview with Watcher, he explains "why" |
| 19:37.25 | Funkeh` | Elmoe, IsSpellInRange |
| 19:37.26 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: eg. if I cast chain heal how many players are likely to get hit or how much of the chain will be wasted |
| 19:37.35 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: so... yeah. a case of l2p |
| 19:37.43 | Gnarfoz | and certainly nothing that will break the addon for everyone. :D |
| 19:37.48 | Gnarfoz | just disable the feature, done |
| 19:38.00 | Elmoe | its one of the most popular features in the addon |
| 19:38.03 | Gnarfoz | too bad? |
| 19:38.05 | Elmoe | and has been since it was introduced 7 years ago |
| 19:38.14 | Gnarfoz | it's like CT_ManaSaver or what it's name was |
| 19:38.25 | Elmoe | just curious why the mentality has changed suddenly when this has been status quo healing for years |
| 19:38.36 | Funkeh` | you won't get that answer here |
| 19:38.40 | Funkeh` | devs aren't designers |
| 19:38.41 | Gnarfoz | the status quo is not your addon |
| 19:39.06 | Gnarfoz | it's not like everyone is using it, nor is everyone reliant on that feature, nor does even every class have a need for it |
| 19:39.11 | Gnarfoz | please, calm down :P |
| 19:39.22 | Elmoe | Not trying to be rude but clearly you don't raid as a healer |
| 19:39.27 | Elmoe | Every healer has used this feature for years |
| 19:39.32 | Funkeh` | so Guill, I'm still confused, does that mean you'll be adding something as a replacement for SetBackdrop, or we should start using something else now |
| 19:39.33 | Elmoe | And every raid frame addon has since copied it |
| 19:39.38 | Gnarfoz | uhm... no. |
| 19:40.03 | Funkeh` | Elmoe, you've still not said why you can't use spell range |
| 19:40.11 | Guill | Technically, designers *are* devs. Those of us in here are engineers though, not designers. |
| 19:40.17 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: because what he described doesn't use spell range |
| 19:40.20 | foxlit | Because he specifically wants clustering info to maximize healing. |
| 19:40.38 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz, maybe I misread, I thought he wanted to know who would be in range of an aoe spell |
| 19:40.39 | Elmoe | correct, this is like a basic tool for a healer since BC |
| 19:40.43 | Guill | Funkeh`: Why not just manually make textures? Or write your own function to do so? Shouldn't be more than a couple lines and allows you a lot more flexibility. |
| 19:40.51 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: but calculcated from the target |
| 19:40.58 | foxlit | To which the answer is "fuck you, decursive was a basic tool for any dispel class since Vanilla" |
| 19:41.00 | Funkeh` | ahh |
| 19:41.02 | Elmoe | yes and its more complicated for some types of spells |
| 19:41.06 | Elmoe | like conical spells etc. |
| 19:41.18 | Gnarfoz | it certainly sounds like a great boon |
| 19:41.33 | Gnarfoz | ...which is also why I doubt a tear will be shed for it, considering the motivation |
| 19:41.43 | Gnarfoz | (however, it does sound more like a collateral victim) |
| 19:42.06 | Elmoe | yeah obviously we will never really know I guess |
| 19:42.13 | Gnarfoz | you could watch the interview |
| 19:42.21 | Elmoe | I did |
| 19:42.24 | Elmoe | it was not enlightening |
| 19:42.25 | Funkeh` | Guill, hmm? make my own texture? what does it matter if I made it or it's a bliz texture? just trying to set a backdrop! :P |
| 19:42.26 | Gnarfoz | but it doesn't mention your addon. :p |
| 19:42.50 | Gnarfoz | how was it not? it clearly laid out why what was available in WoD was "too much" from their PoV |
| 19:43.05 | Guill | Funkeh`: A backdrop is nothing but 9 textures with tex coords. But the way it's currently implemented, there's a lot of extra weight (one pointer per-frame C++-side) |
| 19:43.06 | Elmoe | right that is where I get confused |
| 19:43.13 | Elmoe | they added stuff in WoD to make it really trivial to do this |
| 19:43.22 | Elmoe | but we had ways to estimate it long before |
| 19:43.33 | Gnarfoz | and now they're changing it back because they didn't like the result of their choices |
| 19:43.39 | Guill | Yeah, there were already libraries that converted from map coords to world coords. |
| 19:44.06 | Guill | The stuff in WoD didn't make anything possible that wasn't already possible. It just made it so you didn't need to get a giant library with hard-coded map -> world translations. |
| 19:44.08 | foxlit | totally speculative: UI team tried to be nice for WoD with UnitPosition, encounter design didn't like the outcome. |
| 19:45.11 | Elmoe | Guill: yeah I know the add-on I maintain had its own implementation, what I was trying to understand was why the mentality changed from 'its hard to do this but we're ok if an addon puts in the effort to make it work' to 'now that we made it easy and everyones doing it then no one should do it' but I totally appreciate they you don't have insight into that aspect of the decision |
| 19:45.37 | Gnarfoz | that's unlikely to be how that decision was formed. |
| 19:45.51 | Funkeh` | it's still an upgrade for everyone using it outside an addon |
| 19:45.56 | Funkeh` | so it was still a good use of time |
| 19:46.08 | Funkeh` | outside an addon?? outside a dungeon |
| 19:46.21 | Gnarfoz | I doubt whoever decided "woah, this is too much" considered "but it was possible before if you tried hard enough" |
| 19:46.38 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't change that they consider the current state "too much"? :P |
| 19:47.06 | [TOM_RUS] | Guill, will UnitPosition work out of combat in raids and dungeons? |
| 19:47.27 | Guill | [TOM_RUS]: Currently, combat doesn't have any effect. Just what map you're on. |
| 19:47.36 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: can you see how it feels strange to have a feature implemented years ago now fall into the "too much" bucket though? |
| 19:48.33 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: no, that's just entitlement. |
| 19:48.37 | Funkeh` | Elmoe, I mean if you want sympathy then sure we feel bad for you, but as someone doing this for decades, I'm used to it. it's nothing compared to the vanilla > BC transition |
| 19:48.45 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't matter if you've come to like the feature. it's going away now. :P |
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| 19:49.14 | Elmoe | Funkeh`: the difference there was simply the time elapsed |
| 19:49.19 | mischanix | To add to my IsSpellInRange PoC, if I change the raid arrangement to a semicircle (theta [0,pi) instead of [0,2pi)) avg error for 25 players is 5.35, for 10 players is 9.79 |
| 19:49.35 | Gnarfoz | as you laid out, it was hard, or not as accurate before. now it's easy AND accurate and the result is: very accurate helper addons that they deem "too much". |
| 19:50.19 | Gnarfoz | so... how is it surprising that something that previously existed but was barely used will now share the fate of something newer that's getting more use? |
| 19:50.24 | Gnarfoz | (both doing vaguely the same thing) |
| 19:50.26 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: right this is why I was curious if the move would just be to roll back to the APIs they introduced in WoD or to break the APIs added in BC as well, sounds like both |
| 19:50.51 | Funkeh` | yeah it is |
| 19:50.56 | Gnarfoz | a full list has yet to emerge, but you can grep this channel's logs for Guill's messages over the last few days, I guess |
| 19:50.57 | Stanzilla | as he said, if they just disable some, people will use the workaround again |
| 19:51.00 | Stanzilla | and they gain nothing |
| 19:51.14 | Gnarfoz | (and nothing is being removed, they're just making them return nothing while in raids/dungeons/rbg/arena/etc) |
| 19:51.24 | Gnarfoz | ~logs |
| 19:51.24 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 19:51.35 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: cool thanks for the link |
| 19:51.50 | Guill | I'll see if we can put together a small document on exactly what's changed so people can discuss this without speculations. |
| 19:52.16 | Elmoe | Guill: that would be helpful thank you |
| 19:52.19 | Funkeh` | sounds like a plan |
| 19:52.22 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/EX finally (action bars hide in combat) |
| 19:52.23 | Gnarfoz | I bet that'd stop the rumour mill |
| 19:52.27 | Unkle | Guill: You're a good guy. Thanks. |
| 19:52.44 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/NY4q0Kx.gifv wait for it :D |
| 19:52.47 | Gnarfoz | we knew this... but it bares? bears? bears. repeating. ;) |
| 19:53.01 | Unkle | Even if you *did* make me listen to the worst song in the world, twice. |
| 19:53.15 | Gnarfoz | Sharparam: that link goes nowhere |
| 19:53.26 | Sharparam | :O |
| 19:53.39 | mischanix | Ooh I wonder if the model gets better as players move around |
| 19:53.40 | Sharparam | what about http://files.sharparam.com/2016/08/24/World_of_Warcraft_2016-08-24_21-52-08-001.png (the target) |
| 19:54.00 | mischanix | because if the update interval is high enough player movement crossing the 30/40 yard barriers should give pretty accurate locations |
| 19:54.06 | Gnarfoz | Sharparam: 404 |
| 19:54.11 | Gnarfoz | (the redirect works) |
| 19:54.15 | Sharparam | weird, works here :/ |
| 19:54.42 | zenzelezz | imgur link worked just fine here |
| 19:54.53 | mischanix | otoh I don't remember the limits on addon communication to properly simulate the data transmission |
| 19:54.54 | Sharparam | Gnarfoz: http://i.imgur.com/UKE5RXY.jpg |
| 19:55.03 | Sharparam | jpg compression though :/ |
| 19:55.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure what I expected to see when you wrote "action bars hide" :D |
| 19:55.27 | Sharparam | they fade OOC and hide completely in combat :P |
| 19:55.49 | Gnarfoz | that seems backwards somehow, but to each their own, I guess :D |
| 19:56.13 | Sharparam | i know all my keybinds on druid so i don't need them cluttering my screen in combat, but i put some utility stuff on them that i use OOC |
| 19:57.12 | Funkeh` | Guill, regarding SetStatusBarTexture being a breaking change, wasn't that the same for SetTexture, hence, SetTextureColor? |
| 19:58.05 | Funkeh` | or was it SetColorTexture, whatever |
| 20:11.14 | foxlit | mischanix: are those errors on artificial data? It might be interesting to pick up a current boss combat log and see how closely you can trace the positioning info from there. |
| 20:12.04 | mischanix | foxlit: yeah, artificial, basically a random melee circle and a random ranged circle |
| 20:17.46 | Guill | Funkeh`: Yup. And SetStatusBarTexture *should* have been changed there. But I'm more hesitant to make breaking changes like that in a non-major version update. |
| 20:18.20 | Funkeh` | Guill, can you do it for 7.1 ? |
| 20:18.30 | Semlar | break things? |
| 20:18.38 | Funkeh` | breaking things is fun |
| 20:18.40 | foxlit | break all of Semlar's things. |
| 20:18.44 | Semlar | that's probably at the top of their list |
| 20:18.48 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 20:19.38 | Guill | I don't see a good reason to break hundreds (thousands?) of AddOns when there's such an easy to use workaround. |
| 20:20.07 | Funkeh` | how would it be any more breaking than SetTexture ? |
| 20:20.59 | Guill | People expect their AddOns to all break when going from 6.2.4 to 7.0.3. They don't expect the same degree of breakage going from 7.0.3 to 7.1.x |
| 20:21.04 | foxlit | speaking of, any prospect of GetFileIDForPath("path")? |
| 20:21.13 | Guill | As well as the fact that those AddOns likely would have broken for other reasons |
| 20:21.35 | Funkeh` | oh cmon, we had breakage in basically all caht mods in 6.2.3 > 6.2.4 |
| 20:21.45 | Funkeh` | the version doesn't mean much these days, a patch is a patch |
| 20:22.14 | Semlar | have you tried just not releasing any addons, my stuff hardly ever breaks |
| 20:22.34 | Funkeh` | Im a serial addon releasing addict |
| 20:23.51 | foxlit | Funkeh`: I think you're advocating making a potentially breaking change with little to no actual benefit. That seems like a tough sell. |
| 20:24.11 | Funkeh` | tough sells are the funnest |
| 20:24.43 | foxlit | 'most fun' |
| 20:24.44 | Semlar | try and convince them to let us execute keybindings from the restricted environment |
| 20:25.12 | Funkeh` | hmm |
| 20:26.00 | Semlar | like clicking a button to call INTERACTTARGET |
| 20:26.33 | Unkle | Maybe don't. |
| 20:27.50 | Unkle | if the 8.0 expansion did only one thing, fix the quest system so that I didn't have to click to talk, click to accept, click to talk to turn in, click to select reward, and click to accept... I'd buy it. |
| 20:28.14 | Semlar | my autoaccept addon automates most of that |
| 20:28.19 | Unkle | I know. |
| 20:28.19 | Funkeh` | it should just real your mind with no mouse interaction |
| 20:28.27 | Funkeh` | read* |
| 20:28.28 | foxlit | (B) to pickup quest. |
| 20:28.42 | Shockah | DialogKey is good enough for dealing with that |
| 20:28.51 | Semlar | it would be nice if you could actually check whether a unit had a quest for you though |
| 20:29.14 | Semlar | i mean without interacting with it |
| 20:29.26 | Elmoe | Guill: Is position also being removed from the advanced combat log? |
| 20:29.31 | foxlit | no. |
| 20:29.43 | Elmoe | thanks |
| 20:29.57 | Unkle | I mean, I've been playing this thing since I got beta access in Oct 2004. So clearly they're doing a lot of things I like. Just this one thing really sort of irritates me. |
| 20:29.59 | Semlar | hey foxlit i hope they don't break the advanced combat log |
| 20:30.17 | foxlit | (cached response; I think the reasoning was that nobody cares about what's written to disk because there's no way you could use that in real-time in an addon) |
| 20:30.28 | Elmoe | foxlit: right just for post fight analysis |
| 20:30.33 | Semlar | ~emulate guill |
| 20:30.51 | Semlar | fine |
| 20:30.54 | Seerah | Unkle: have you looked at StoryLine? |
| 20:30.58 | Funkeh` | "wontfix" |
| 20:31.04 | Funkeh` | seems like a good reply |
| 20:31.25 | Semlar | doesn't storyline slow things down |
| 20:31.39 | Semlar | i think he wants to skip quests altogether |
| 20:32.03 | Seerah | A little. Makes it more like a console rpg game. but lets you use the keyboard after the initial click. |
| 20:32.17 | Seerah | well, that would mean Unkle was being lazy - that *couldn't* be true! |
| 20:32.36 | Unkle | Seerah: I just looked... it's not for me. |
| 20:32.53 | Seerah | kk. I use it, thought I'd mention it :) |
| 20:32.55 | Unkle | And Unkle is the *laziest* guy he knows. |
| 20:33.07 | Seerah | ;) |
| 20:34.03 | Unkle | I really have slimmed my AddOn load down. The default UI keeps improving and I keep forgetting to go look for things that enhance it. Though... I really do need to write my own gorram mounting addon. |
| 20:34.31 | Seerah | mounting? :p |
| 20:34.43 | Unkle | Yeah, "mounting". |
| 20:34.52 | Seerah | what do you want it to do? |
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| 20:35.12 | Unkle | But seriously, I just need a thing that the default doesn't do and no one else seems to have thought was important. |
| 20:35.59 | Seerah | que? |
| 20:36.21 | Unkle | I want a list of favorite mounts - per character - which can include special class only mounts - that picks the "right" mount for the area and works via keybind. |
| 20:36.35 | Unkle | There's a lot of stuff that gets *so close* |
| 20:36.36 | Elmoe | Unkle: MountMe by Phanx? |
| 20:36.50 | Unkle | I use that - but ... it doesn't quite do the right thing. |
| 20:37.01 | Elmoe | where is it not working as you'd expect? |
| 20:37.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.11 | Seerah | yeah, sCompanions isn't exact, either... Eventually I'll rewrite it |
| 20:37.35 | Unkle | It uses the "random fave mounts" feature, and that list is universal except for adding class mounts. |
| 20:37.46 | Unkle | I want a DIFFERENT list saved by character. |
| 20:37.54 | bshelden | Unkle: Please oh please release that... |
| 20:38.15 | Elmoe | Unkle: ah I see, didn't realize the favorite mounts were account wide |
| 20:38.17 | Unkle | So I need to do it because no one else has done it or apparently needed it. |
| 20:39.06 | Unkle | For example: I want one set of mounts that my engineer uses, but a completely different set for my shaman main, my warlock, or my demon hunter. |
| 20:39.17 | Seerah | usually, people don't have character-specific favorites |
| 20:39.19 | Elmoe | Unkle: so AnyFavoriteMount should let you add any mount as a favorite right? |
| 20:39.30 | Unkle | And - yet I haven't, because I am LAZY. |
| 20:39.37 | Elmoe | Unkle: so you can add class mounts using ANyFavoriteMount then MountMe will pick them up if you are on the right class I believe |
| 20:39.40 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: Have to do it right. |
| 20:39.45 | Unkle | Elmoe: I use that too, it still doesn't quite do what I want. |
| 20:39.50 | bshelden | I'm one of them. I just have mount bars for each toon and clock more or less randomly. |
| 20:40.04 | bshelden | Same for non-combat pets. |
| 20:40.06 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Guillotine |
| 20:40.06 | purl | Hey Cair, what's your admin password? |
| 20:40.34 | Elmoe | Unkle: yeah its real close but not quite |
| 20:40.42 | Unkle | Elmoe: Right. *SO* close. |
| 20:41.00 | Unkle | And because it's that close, I haven't done the work to get what I actually want. |
| 20:41.22 | Elmoe | Unkle: but yeah my girlfriend has the same frustrations, in her case she wants to bind the mount to an appearance |
| 20:41.32 | Unkle | ... |
| 20:41.32 | Elmoe | Unkle: because she has a set of mounts that match each outfit |
| 20:41.39 | Unkle | That's a feature I just learned I wanted. |
| 20:41.47 | Elmoe | Like this transmog uses this riding mount and this flying mount. |
| 20:41.53 | Unkle | Yeah. |
| 20:41.57 | Unkle | I get it. |
| 20:44.00 | bshelden | ! |
| 20:44.33 | bshelden | Now that I think of it, that mount bar is changed every time I change my transmog... |
| 20:46.28 | kd3 | 's been using the jade pandaren kite and the water strider since he got them |
| 20:47.16 | bshelden | The strider is on every character's mount bar, but I hate how it looks, so that's situational. |
| 20:51.11 | Primer | kd3: Do you use -opengl in your wine command line? |
| 20:51.21 | kd3 | no. I use d3d9 |
| 20:51.36 | kd3 | it's worked better than ogl for a couple years now |
| 20:51.37 | Primer | I started getting some really bad visuals since 7.x |
| 20:51.48 | kd3 | make sure you're using d3d9 and not d3d11 |
| 20:51.51 | Primer | like, people's enchants creating lines into infinity |
| 20:52.12 | Primer | yeah, I switched to that and those problems went away, but it seems the performance has suffered a bit |
| 20:54.46 | kd3 | are you using upstream wine or the wine-staging version? |
| 20:55.12 | Primer | wine-staging from their PPA |
| 20:55.26 | Primer | I take that back, I'm using wine-devel |
| 20:55.59 | kd3 | was going to suggest swapping between one and the other, or maybe turning off the CSMT bits if you're using wine-staging |
| 20:56.10 | Unkle | kd3: I have three mounts that sit on a side bar for all characters because I need them all situationally, often: Repair mount, waterstrtider, and vial of the sands mount - but I've got 205~ish mounts and a small inclination to RP. :) |
| 21:00.48 | Primer | kd3: At one point I recall there being separate packages for devel vs. staging, but I only see devel in the list when searching for wine |
| 21:01.20 | kd3 | depends on the distro. in fedora, we get -staging by default. think we have to source the git repo if we want vanilla |
| 21:01.32 | Primer | i wine-devel - official WineHQ build of the popular Wine software |
| 21:03.06 | Primer | seems it's its own PPA now |
| 21:08.45 | Gnarfoz | :S battle.net login queues a week before launch |
| 21:08.47 | Gnarfoz | does not bode well |
| 21:09.22 | Gnarfoz | also when did the app start urlencoding the cached email address...? my login has transformed into somethin%2bsomething@somewhere.org |
| 21:09.46 | Gnarfoz | (and if you have to re-enter your password, then it will fill that into the email field and it will fail) |
| 21:14.15 | Primer | WTF, the packages put everything in /opt/wine-staging |
| 21:16.32 | Ssateneth | WTF |
| 21:17.17 | kd3 | whee, another banwave just went out |
| 21:17.23 | kd3 | oh the salt. yum |
| 21:19.43 | ajmitch | Primer: it's a good thing to keep it separate |
| 21:21.53 | Primer | ajmitch: I suppose, if this is intended to be installed along side other wine packages |
| 21:22.51 | ajmitch | yes, I use wine-staging from that PPA to run wow, it mostly works ok |
| 21:24.44 | foxlit | um, so I had this issue with toys being ejected from the item cache, so GetItemInfo(toyID) would return nil instead of the toy name. |
| 21:26.28 | foxlit | while it's in this state, is there any way to look up a toy ID by name? |
| 21:27.42 | Semlar | can you iterate over the toybox with C_ToyBox functions? |
| 21:28.08 | Semlar | or do they have the same problem |
| 21:29.47 | Semlar | i mean it has a search box |
| 21:30.00 | Semlar | so it surely doesn't rely on the cache for the names |
| 21:30.53 | Unkle | kd3: Share? |
| 21:31.28 | kd3 | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4zccfy/248_a_new_banwave_has_hit/d6uqb63 |
| 21:31.42 | Gnarfoz | kd3: maybe they should have held off on those for the DDoS kiddies to calm down before launch |
| 21:31.44 | Unkle | Oh, reddit... No wonder I never find this stuff. |
| 21:31.44 | Gnarfoz | too late, I guess. :P |
| 21:32.03 | kd3 | maybe better that they get the DDoSing out of the way now? |
| 21:32.09 | Gnarfoz | as if. |
| 21:32.11 | kd3 | not that anything's going to stop the skiddies next week |
| 21:32.14 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 21:34.07 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder why blizzard a) hides behind "oh they're attacking 'some ISPs' (why then are only Blizzard games affected?) and b) since I'm accusing them of being dishonest about it, I'll suggest they find an ISP more capable of throwing away junk packets than Telia and AT&T seem to be. |
| 21:34.15 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:36.56 | foxlit | Semlar: C_ToyBox.GetToyInfo(toyID) can fail to return names. |
| 21:38.17 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better, the description for quests can simply have blank spots where items go until it gets item information from the server |
| 21:38.49 | Semlar | because apparently that's something it needs to fetch to build those |
| 21:40.27 | foxlit | Coincidentially, this bugs /usetoy Name and /use Name |
| 21:43.02 | foxlit | (I could probably cache its returns in happier times, but I guess there's not much point if those commands will fail anyway) |
| 21:48.04 | kd3 | oof - just now in indiana. http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/7/7X/fark_7XU8tjOJinN9eOWpohtyQuZVAl8.jpg?t=PduBu7K6NdTNkIhvbilT0w&f=1472443200 |
| 21:48.27 | nevcairiel | someone killed a starbucks |
| 21:51.24 | Gnarfoz | the most devastating fart in the history of indiana |
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| 22:06.16 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:06.23 | Gnarfoz | COLORS.txt doesn't do anything anymore, does it? |
| 22:06.31 | Gnarfoz | (chat colors) |
| 22:06.34 | nevcairiel | what did that ever do |
| 22:07.02 | Gnarfoz | it was where your color choices for chat types were stored |
| 22:07.40 | Gnarfoz | including some not accessible from the UI, like being able to give incoming and outgoing whispers different colors (which is what I'm looking for right now) |
| 22:07.52 | nevcairiel | chatmod to the rescue? |
| 22:07.54 | Gnarfoz | why am I offline in bnet <again> |
| 22:07.57 | Ssateneth | oooo i'd like that Gnarfoz |
| 22:08.04 | Gnarfoz | no idea, I don't think Prat does that |
| 22:08.14 | nevcairiel | prat does your dishes, so surely |
| 22:08.27 | Gnarfoz | valid argument |
| 22:08.32 | Gnarfoz | the base UI was able to do it a decade ago, so, meh. :D |
| 22:08.44 | nevcairiel | i faintly remember there being optiosn for incoming whispers |
| 22:08.44 | Gnarfoz | maybe I should turn ipv6 off again |
| 22:09.14 | Ssateneth | dont think my isp properly suports ipv6 yet |
| 22:09.33 | Gnarfoz | (the only v6 it seems to use goes to Google, though, so... probably just DDoS) |
| 22:11.38 | nevcairiel | i wonder what sorts of options are unlocking in my google account now just by being in the US, right now i noticed an option on mails to send money |
| 22:15.29 | Unkle | Eventually the option to subsume all your other internet use unlocks. |
| 22:15.47 | Unkle | It's like Lovecraftian horror. |
| 22:17.17 | bshelden | Do not speak of it! He isn't ready! |
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| 22:43.43 | Sharparam | neato |
| 22:44.06 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/Ee (weakaura to track swiftmend charges) |
| 22:44.29 | nevcairiel | there is only two charges, why is there 3 leafs |
| 22:44.49 | nevcairiel | (and only with the talent or the second) |
| 22:45.16 | nevcairiel | looks neat though i guess |
| 22:45.32 | Sharparam | i still have old wod gear which gives me an extra charge |
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| 23:06.27 | nevcairiel | oh right the brf set did that |
| 23:06.43 | kullervo | what was my quit time? |
| 23:07.06 | kullervo | I might be on the right track to figuring out why shit blows up |
| 23:07.53 | nevcairiel | [17:04:39] <-- kullervo (~kullervo@unaffiliated/ozguli) has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
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| 23:08.01 | nevcairiel | for compairson ^ |
| 23:17.14 | Semlar | i just walked into azshara and got a debuff with no expiration that ticked until i died |
| 23:17.25 | nevcairiel | they really dont like you there |
| 23:17.39 | Semlar | i flew back into org and still dide to it |
| 23:18.06 | foxlit | You had to clear it by releasing an addon. |
| 23:18.07 | nevcairiel | its the "and stay out!" argument |
| 23:18.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.18 | nevcairiel | neat the recent blue tracker breakage actually made them fix the previous bugs as well |
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| 23:26.23 | Stanzilla | oh cool |
| 23:30.04 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Wow-64_2016-08-25_01-59-18.png |
| 23:30.12 | kullervo | demon hunters buffed on live? :D |
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| 23:33.16 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Wow-64_2016-08-25_02-33-09.png |
| 23:33.18 | kullervo | yeeeep |
| 23:33.35 | xmyno | seems balanced |
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| 23:35.25 | kullervo | it's not quite 112%, but 99.2% reduction is good enough |
| 23:39.09 | Semlar | stop hacking kullervo |
| 23:41.55 | bshelden | Not enough. Only enough when the damage just starts healing me. |
| 23:42.15 | Ammako | :p |
| 23:42.19 | bshelden | remembers getting enough lightning absorb to heal on that evil bugger just before Baal. |
| 23:42.51 | Semlar | how much mastery do you have kullervo |
| 23:43.37 | kullervo | 2880 |
| 23:46.30 | Semlar | my friend has 2310 mastery and only has a 53% reduction |
| 23:48.44 | kullervo | my character sheet displays 51.27% increase |
| 23:49.06 | kullervo | something glitched, the skill tooltip displays 111.9% and about 125% with weapon procs |
| 23:49.20 | Ammako | my mastery displays as negative on character screen :p |
| 23:49.56 | Semlar | you are not prepared |
| 23:51.31 | Ammako | looks like it |
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