| 00:05.53 | Torhal | Trela: So bad. https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/now-for-the-fun-part/ |
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| 00:12.51 | znf | why do games block chat on loading screen, whywhy why why |
| 00:13.23 | Stanzilla | Torhal: those are all really bad |
| 00:13.31 | Stanzilla | znf: I want it in HOTS |
| 00:13.37 | znf | yes |
| 00:13.49 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Soooo bad. |
| 00:15.49 | znf | those look like 1995 |
| 00:25.33 | Gnarfoz | they look... superfluous |
| 00:29.58 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/mbQS8ywt << something something glyphs. |
| 00:33.29 | znf | did they hire a bunch of pre-schoolers to make them? |
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| 00:41.07 | foxlit | hm, I now need a lua library capable of making requests over https |
| 00:45.10 | znf | stop trying to break out of the sandbox, foxlit |
| 00:46.57 | Gnarfoz | I heard nevcairiel "liked" LuaSec for that (after much prodding) |
| 00:49.49 | Ketho | apparently AVR can still work somehow https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4yq22g/addons_will_not_be_able_to_read_player_positions/d6pne55 |
| 00:51.16 | znf | Thanks for the comment, Phil. We do not have a logo. The creative assets we have today â the word Mozilla and a few colors â are not sufficient to communicate in the modern world. |
| 00:51.18 | znf | I disagree |
| 00:51.29 | znf | that is their logo! |
| 00:51.42 | Gnarfoz | "we do not have a logo"? wtf |
| 00:51.52 | znf | I mean this: https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/a/a9/Mozilla-foundation-logo.png |
| 00:52.19 | Gnarfoz | yes, it's been that since the dawn of time, what the hell is wrong with it |
| 00:52.29 | Corrodias | the little, white dots in the mouth are pissing me off |
| 00:52.44 | Corrodias | (not the teeth, the tiny spaces) |
| 00:53.18 | znf | vectors be damned :P |
| 00:53.21 | bshelden | There's lint in your monitor, Corrodias. |
| 00:53.28 | bshelden | casually points out the neckline |
| 00:53.42 | Corrodias | argh |
| 00:53.50 | znf | I see that all the time when working with vectors :D |
| 00:54.08 | znf | ...in other news, I ordered japanese chopsticks from china |
| 00:54.32 | Gnarfoz | and you'll get them delivered to Romania |
| 00:54.33 | foxlit | ... I'm in the market for chopsticks. |
| 00:54.36 | Gnarfoz | more countries! |
| 00:55.22 | znf | I bought stainless steel ones |
| 00:55.29 | znf | but I also ordered this as a gift set: http://www.gearbest.com/chopsticks/pp_375032.html?wid=21 |
| 00:59.31 | Gnarfoz | Ketho: woah. hm. I wonder how |
| 01:02.29 | foxlit | well, what do you need? |
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| 01:07.30 | foxlit | (camera zoom is public, nameplates + unitposition probably expose pitch and rotation) |
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| 01:14.02 | maunot | i don't see nameplates though .. :p |
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| 01:16.00 | maunot | maybe it's replacing mouse2 with some hacky MouselookStart/Stop() + frame:StartMoving() and guessing how much the camera is turned.. well that'd be my approach :p |
| 01:17.09 | znf | I want an oscilloscope |
| 01:17.14 | znf | I have no need for it, but I want it |
| 01:17.58 | kd3 | we got a 45x microscope at work |
| 01:18.01 | kd3 | new toys are fun |
| 01:20.22 | maunot | s|MouselookStart/Stop()|MoveViewXStart/Stop()| |
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| 02:54.20 | Ketho | The old max distance with the slider was 30 (instead of 35) right? there seems to be some confusion about it http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748204616?page=118#2345 |
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| 02:58.17 | ls- | Sup, anyone who's messing w/ default ObjectiveTracker might want to read this thread http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54247 |
| 02:59.09 | nebula | doing anything with the tracker as always been touchy |
| 02:59.56 | jro | Hey guys need a little help -- I have a table that contains the name of frames - and I want to roll through the table and call SetPoint on them but it doesn't like it when I do something like this in the for loop: v:SetPoint(xx xx xx ) |
| 03:00.10 | jro | where v = frame name from table |
| 03:00.40 | Semlar | what doesn't it like |
| 03:00.42 | ls- | yeah, but there are ways to work around quite sensitive parts, hehe |
| 03:00.46 | nebula | like the name as a string? |
| 03:00.50 | jro | yea |
| 03:00.55 | nebula | try _G[name] |
| 03:01.04 | znf | I think I'm go have a hearth attack |
| 03:01.08 | znf | if I keep playing HoTS |
| 03:01.16 | nebula | you need an actual frame to call functions on it |
| 03:01.18 | Semlar | you can also just store a reference to the frame instead of its name as a string |
| 03:01.25 | Semlar | in the table |
| 03:01.29 | nebula | or that |
| 03:03.18 | jro | like _G[v]:SetPoint(xx, xx) where v table value? |
| 03:03.48 | ls- | v is a sting, if it's table value it's just v w/o _G |
| 03:04.33 | nebula | if your frames are global ones, yes, Semlar was suggest where you build that table, you just save the actual frame ref there, ie, _G[name] or just frame if you created them |
| 03:04.45 | nebula | suggesting* |
| 03:05.18 | jro | I have a base: SlamAndAwe.BaseFrame = CreateFrame("Frame","SlamAndAweBase",UIParent) |
| 03:05.25 | jro | then a bunch of frames like: SlamAndAwe.frames["TasteForBlood"] = CreateFrame("Frame","SAA_Bar1_Status", SlamAndAwe.BaseFrame) |
| 03:05.42 | jro | in the table i have "SlamAndAwe.frames["TasteForBlood"] |
| 03:05.48 | Semlar | do those really need names |
| 03:06.16 | Semlar | looks like you already have a reference to the frame though |
| 03:06.34 | Semlar | SlamAndAwe.frames["TasteForBlood"] |
| 03:06.45 | jro | then its the name of the reference in the table |
| 03:07.18 | jro | I was originally inserting the reference into the table instead of as a string |
| 03:07.26 | jro | which was creating a nested table |
| 03:08.12 | Semlar | erm |
| 03:08.30 | jro | im not that good with tables or frames :( |
| 03:08.52 | Semlar | you have a table, SlamAndAwe.frames, which is full of frame references |
| 03:09.13 | Semlar | you can just access the frame you want by its entry in the table |
| 03:09.41 | jro | well this table im pulling from is just a table of spells that are active |
| 03:09.42 | Semlar | just look up "TasteForBlood" in the table |
| 03:09.45 | jro | that map to frames |
| 03:10.12 | jro | when the spell falls off it removes from the table |
| 03:10.46 | Semlar | i'm assuming you aren't creating a new frame every time you want to display an icon |
| 03:11.47 | jro | So I have frames with static positions that show/hide when spells are cast and expired. I'm trying to make them stack dynamically, IE slide up when one expires so I have a table with a list of active spells and they remove/add themselves to that |
| 03:11.56 | jro | then this function is just to loop through the table and update all their positions |
| 03:12.06 | jro | just the ones that are active from the active table |
| 03:12.35 | Semlar | so you have a table of frames, you just iterate over the table with pairs and update them |
| 03:13.09 | jro | well a table of frame names, i manually call a function to insert add them so i can put in the table whatever |
| 03:13.23 | jro | i just dont know how to reference it back into framename:SetPoint |
| 03:13.40 | Semlar | alright but why are you using names instead of a reference to the frame |
| 03:13.44 | jro | since apparently the string name:SetPoint doesnt work |
| 03:14.11 | jro | I think I was before and that wasnt working so I tried this |
| 03:14.14 | jro | I can try that way again |
| 03:14.14 | Semlar | or more specifically, why are you using names that you don't know how to turn into frame references |
| 03:14.57 | jro | originally i had: SlamAndAwe:barInsert(SlamAndAwe.frames["TasteForBlood"]) |
| 03:15.08 | jro | to insert the reference in the table |
| 03:15.25 | znf | likes Semlar |
| 03:15.26 | jro | which then returned TABLE1234567 |
| 03:15.33 | Semlar | right, the frame |
| 03:15.42 | jro | and I tried calling setpoint against that |
| 03:15.47 | jro | but was saying it was nil |
| 03:15.52 | Semlar | um |
| 03:15.53 | jro | let me try again |
| 03:15.56 | jro | and get the error |
| 03:16.01 | Semlar | sounds like you typoed SetPoint |
| 03:18.32 | jro | ok i think i typo'd setpoint before |
| 03:18.36 | jro | since it seems to work now >< |
| 03:18.41 | jro | lol |
| 03:18.54 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
| 03:19.00 | jro | holy shit it actually works |
| 03:19.06 | jro | ! |
| 03:20.48 | jro | Thanks Sem :) |
| 03:20.57 | Semlar | sure |
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| 03:27.18 | Torhal | summons Semlar's Arch Nemesis, Kevlar. |
| 03:27.31 | Semlar | we meet again.. |
| 03:27.59 | Torhal | Dude, Kevlar is just a bullet-resistant material. |
| 03:27.59 | ls- | :D |
| 03:29.12 | Corrodias | everything is merely bullet-resistant, given a sufficient bullet |
| 03:35.08 | mckenziemc | summons Torhal's arch-nemesis, mckenziemc. |
| 03:35.25 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:35.35 | Torhal | So you just displaced yourself. |
| 03:35.35 | Torhal | GG, |
| 03:36.10 | mckenziemc | didn't you know you can use summoning stones to summon yourself? |
| 03:36.13 | mckenziemc | or did you forget |
| 03:36.26 | mckenziemc | they aren't used much these days :( |
| 03:36.50 | Torhal | I thought you were just summoning because you're stoned. |
| 03:37.48 | mckenziemc | ferrite-chokes Torhal. |
| 03:40.40 | Torhal | WAT |
| 03:41.53 | Ammako | puns |
| 03:58.15 | nebula | Semlar: can you get blizzard object positions from the minimap (players, nodes, etc) to translate to map coords? |
| 03:59.27 | Semlar | well, only if you can get their positions on the minimap |
| 04:00.00 | nebula | what do you mean? |
| 04:00.31 | Semlar | you can't just fetch the position of a node on the minimap |
| 04:00.40 | nebula | we're spit balling idea for how to approximate coords after blizzard removes UnitPosition |
| 04:00.46 | nebula | ideas* |
| 04:01.09 | Semlar | i have a couple ideas but i'm going to wait until i actually see what their implementation is for this |
| 04:01.15 | nebula | yea |
| 04:01.37 | Semlar | i don't know how much of the api they're planning on locking down |
| 04:01.50 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: I think at a certain size it stops being a bullet, and is a KKV. |
| 04:02.07 | nebula | if they're removing UnitPosition, i imagine map coords will stop working as well, otherwise it's just reverting code to pre wod |
| 04:02.43 | Semlar | i'm thinking they're probably going to lock it down like the existing combat-restricted functions |
| 04:03.10 | nebula | yea |
| 04:03.15 | Stanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.27 | Stanzilla | so disable, not remove |
| 04:05.23 | nebula | the problem made me think of your oregorger addon |
| 04:05.31 | Semlar | also not sure if it's only going to be in combat in those areas, it would pretty much have to be disabled both in and out of combat in battlegrounds |
| 04:14.49 | Torhal | nebula: AddOn channel. |
| 04:15.17 | nebula | huh? |
| 04:15.27 | Torhal | Everyone will know their own coords. |
| 04:15.37 | nebula | will they, though? |
| 04:16.01 | Torhal | I'd hope so, else that'll break WoWDB and WoWHead data. |
| 04:16.10 | nebula | only in instances |
| 04:16.15 | Torhal | Ah |
| 04:17.07 | nebula | they just want to break neo avr stuff |
| 04:20.42 | Ketho | poor mysticalos he put in so much work in DBM radar only to see it break the next patch |
| 04:21.04 | nebula | not really, pretty sure it was TOM_RUS that ported the old hudmap code |
| 04:21.36 | nebula | barely updated it |
| 04:27.27 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: alternately, get enough velocity behind it and anything becomes a WMD |
| 04:33.55 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: Subjective. A 9mm 115 grain bullet at 299,792,458 m/s is ~15 Kilotons of TNT. Which is the same as the little boy atom bomb. Dropped in a city, WMD. Dropped in the bikini atoll's, not so much |
| 04:34.53 | Corrodias | fair enough |
| 04:34.59 | Corrodias | i don't think kevlar will stop it, though |
| 04:35.53 | Thunder_Child | Kevlar wouldn't stop something out of a .50 barrett either, and that goes slightly slower. |
| 04:36.16 | Semlar | lol, i think my oregorger addon is exactly the kind of thing they don't want |
| 04:36.57 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: sure you didn't miss a 0? |
| 04:37.01 | foxlit | and possibly a half? |
| 04:37.33 | Corrodias | can't miss a 0; any higher than that is faster than light |
| 04:40.27 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: hmm? |
| 04:41.07 | foxlit | ((15 kilotons of tnt) / (the speed of light^2)) * 2 = 1.39659835 grams |
| 04:41.51 | foxlit | which seems kind of light. |
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| 04:45.25 | Corrodias | too small by a factor of about 5, i think |
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| 04:52.33 | pnorman | foxlit: you can't ignore relativity at those speeds |
| 04:52.58 | Thunder_Child | He is correct about the math however. |
| 04:53.12 | Thunder_Child | and that did not take into account atmosphere. |
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| 04:53.45 | pnorman | an object with mass going at that speed has infinite energy |
| 04:55.25 | Thunder_Child | Right, it should have been 299,792,457 |
| 04:55.36 | kd3 | http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/ |
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| 04:59.04 | Semlar | i like how if i hit a critter i do like a million damage because it's low level and it makes my dps go through the roof on the meter |
| 05:01.37 | pnorman | ((15 kilotons of tnt) / (c^2))/(1/sqrt(1-(c - 1 meter per second)^2/c^2)-1) = 57.04 micrograms |
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| 05:10.13 | Ammako | they should add respawning lv 1 critters to boss rooms that you can't avoid cleaving just to mess with people |
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| 05:14.22 | pnorman | the bullet would have had an energy of 1.5x10^18 J, about 360 MT of TNT, or about an order of magnitude over the tsar bomba |
| 05:26.34 | ccox | you have to factor in relativity |
| 05:27.00 | ccox | no mass can reach the speed of light, and getting even close takes a huge amount of energy |
| 05:27.40 | pnorman | yes, I'd classify exajoules as a huge amount of energy for a bullet |
| 05:27.59 | ccox | yes, but to reach even 0.9 C, youâd need a LOT more energy |
| 05:28.20 | pnorman | that's relativistic energy |
| 05:29.20 | ccox | still sounds low if youâre calculating with special relativity (becuase general would be too complex to think about) |
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| 05:33.58 | pnorman | it's from the standard E_k=mγc^2-mc^2 |
| 05:41.20 | pnorman | ethe lorentz factor is only 17314. that's twice the lorentz factor of the LHC |
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| 05:48.42 | Torhal | Semlar: Yep, and there are jackholes that kill every critter they can in a raid and boast about their DPS. |
| 05:49.09 | Torhal | At least, there were back when I was raiding. During TBC... |
| 05:49.11 | Torhal | >.> |
| 06:04.46 | Corrodias | were they jackholes because they killed helpless AI, because they disrupted the raid, because they boasted about relatively meaningless numbers (though the pursuit of high numbers is a fairly harmless and mildly entertaining one), or because of other occurances outside the given context? |
| 06:07.47 | Torhal | Yes. |
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| 06:30.06 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
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| 08:17.03 | Mr_Rabies | 4th monk spec revealed? http://i.imgur.com/UakAJNI.png |
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| 08:29.54 | Constie | http://i.imgur.com/tCLQAVH.png But almost all Survival abilities require a two-handed melee weapon, and I have the Bloodied Arcanite Reaper... |
| 08:30.15 | Constie | Well, I guess that is strength and not agility, but still. |
| 08:31.05 | VIad | buy the polearm heirloom |
| 08:31.08 | nevcairiel | new spec with new requirements, dont expect them to pay too much attention to weapon flagging with artifacts making that obsolete in legion :D |
| 08:31.35 | Fisker | Don't die nevcairiel |
| 08:31.40 | nevcairiel | but yeah it wouldnt show you strength weapons |
| 08:31.54 | Constie | I'm going to expect that and also that they'll give me a pony IRL. |
| 08:36.36 | nevcairiel | what do you want with a pony, they dont even taste that well |
| 08:37.41 | Constie | I'll sell it to a rich family with a spoiled little girl. |
| 08:43.46 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure thrashblade is flagged for every spec |
| 08:45.10 | Semlar | it shows up for my mage |
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| 09:29.11 | pnorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.55 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 09:34.08 | Semlar | you can inspect someone from a surprising distance |
| 09:41.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.37 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.31 | Andols | Can you inspect gold :o |
| 09:50.40 | Semlar | you can see how much they've earned total |
| 09:50.50 | Semlar | on that character |
| 09:51.35 | Andols | ah |
| 09:51.42 | Semlar | i'm gonna stick it right on your nameplate |
| 09:53.06 | LexSfX | and call the addon "Aristocrat" with the description "This addon allows you to judge people by their financial worth." |
| 09:53.21 | Semlar | this is going right into my epeen calculator |
| 09:53.31 | Semlar | what other numbers can i judge you by |
| 09:53.40 | LexSfX | number of times /waved |
| 09:53.41 | LexSfX | lol |
| 09:54.02 | Semlar | the statistics screen lags my game to death |
| 09:54.07 | LexSfX | yeah, same :/ |
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| 09:54.13 | LexSfX | it needs a fix |
| 09:54.30 | LexSfX | or at least asynchronous mode |
| 09:54.38 | LexSfX | so that it doesn't block rendering |
| 09:55.06 | Andols | Epic items acquired/looted? |
| 09:55.56 | Semlar | "vanity pets owned" is apparently another statistic |
| 09:56.25 | LexSfX | i only care about arena ratings, and they depend on the seasons they were achieved and which character they got them on |
| 09:57.30 | LexSfX | as for PvE though, if someone has "A Tribute To Immortality", they should be highlighted in some way |
| 09:58.15 | Semlar | it's interesting that none of the proving grounds stats are filled out for me since i have the title from completing 30 waves on endless |
| 09:58.26 | LexSfX | and any realm firsts would be cool to see |
| 09:58.27 | Semlar | although i did that before they revamped it |
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| 10:44.31 | VIad | I broke iron docks :( http://i.imgur.com/reirZkF.png |
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| 12:06.13 | Semlar | i have 78 felbat pups, i have a problem |
| 12:14.15 | Constie | Ah, good. All of my stats that have been buffed by 10% are now buffed by 20%. http://i.imgur.com/p6wBlzI.png |
| 12:14.46 | Semlar | this is entirely too much math |
| 12:31.47 | VIad | flood the AH, Semlar! |
| 12:32.09 | Semlar | i can't imagine anyone would be buying these |
| 12:32.16 | VIad | wait 5 expansions |
| 12:34.50 | VIad | they thought they could keep me in... they were wrong! http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg |
| 12:34.55 | VIad | * http://i.imgur.com/XVL1rXC.png |
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| 12:38.23 | VIad | I am the captain now http://i.imgur.com/yhUdatz.png |
| 12:39.18 | VIad | my tanaan base is a bit weird http://i.imgur.com/KgsuC1w.png |
| 12:42.28 | Gnarfoz | dat OW final @ Gamescom |
| 12:42.37 | Gnarfoz | or rather, last game of that series, I mean |
| 12:44.24 | Alram | yeah im sweating profusely |
| 12:44.27 | Alram | that shit was crazy |
| 12:44.31 | Alram | eu best |
| 12:45.30 | VIad | hmm, is it possible to safely swap keybinds? like have a out of combat key do something, but in combat to fallback to default behavior? thinking about spacebar :P |
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| 12:45.52 | kullervo | make a macro |
| 12:48.33 | VIad | jump, space? |
| 12:51.19 | VIad | like, make holding space use Glide ability |
| 12:51.29 | VIad | as a safely mechanism, like if you panic, hold to glide :p |
| 12:52.41 | VIad | apparently, xulhorac boss room is in gorgrond :p |
| 12:58.02 | VIad | mind blown. iskar room is actually in gorgrond. the map has been cut pasted and such |
| 12:58.13 | VIad | making it extremely huge compared to what you'd expect |
| 13:08.30 | VIad | a rough drawing of the HFC map on top of draenor http://i.imgur.com/mvIifIw.png |
| 13:08.41 | VIad | the red box :p |
| 13:29.20 | Gnarfoz | they've been using zones or zone cutouts as the basis for instance maps from the start |
| 13:30.13 | VIad | I know. but this is huge |
| 13:33.29 | VIad | literally spent an hour running and exploring |
| 13:33.30 | VIad | lol |
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| 15:00.33 | fewyn | morning all |
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| 16:14.56 | VIad | wowhead down |
| 16:15.56 | mikma | wohoo! |
| 16:15.57 | pompy | im on it and it's fine |
| 16:17.59 | VIad | came back up now :p |
| 16:18.03 | VIad | https://66.media.tumblr.com/9550dd016f619f55d5e4e57242d7c951/tumblr_oc4wrfUKUL1samk4lo1_500.gif |
| 16:20.55 | Constie | Someone should do that with the Galt speech. |
| 16:21.29 | Constie | I mean, like, the first few words of it. |
| 16:22.04 | VIad | we need the whole thing tbh |
| 16:23.39 | g0urra | anyone who knows what PS and BC refers to here? http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/209780-premonition |
| 16:24.02 | g0urra | or 'shadow%' and BC here http://www.wowhead.com/spell=209780/premonition |
| 16:24.49 | g0urra | screenshot of values http://puu.sh/qJedU/c555c8a7bf.jpg |
| 16:26.28 | VIad | shouldnt this be defined in the db/gt files? |
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| 16:30.18 | VIad | I'm sorry for being late, but this is gold http://www.wowhead.com/spell=213255 |
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| 17:04.17 | fewyn | my warlock is up to 92 |
| 17:04.26 | fewyn | invasion leveling is best leveling |
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| 17:08.16 | Semlar | i created a character and got to level 60 last night |
| 17:08.27 | znf | why? |
| 17:09.21 | Semlar | to level with some people |
| 17:10.46 | Semlar | you get multiple levels per invasion, it's pretty good |
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| 17:13.45 | Constie | I was going to level through Outland, and then I did a few invasions while adjusting my UI and I was 70. |
| 17:13.55 | fewyn | heh |
| 17:14.53 | Semlar | some of the boss effects do kind of one shot you though |
| 17:17.01 | Ammako | it's even better with RaF |
| 17:22.15 | Gnarfoz | isn't everything? |
| 17:22.37 | Gnarfoz | main problem for me is getting to the invasions ^^ |
| 17:24.07 | Ammako | yeah hehe, but invasions in particular, even better |
| 17:24.20 | Ammako | i mean you can literally afk through them |
| 17:25.08 | Ammako | not the best exp but it's low effort and can be done :p can even just run around tagging stuff only once |
| 17:27.47 | Ammako | and then you get stuck at lv 15 as Alliance with the only invasions being Azshara, Northern Barrens and Hillsbrad Foothills |
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| 17:43.01 | Semlar | i just run around and tag everything i see |
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| 17:45.11 | Ammako | and with the fix to tag exp it's only going to be even better |
| 17:45.49 | Gnarfoz | going to? thought that was live |
| 17:45.57 | Ammako | i haven't been keeping track of it |
| 17:46.02 | Ammako | it may have |
| 17:46.10 | Gnarfoz | currently making my way through Ashenvale to Azshara :D |
| 17:51.54 | Ammako | passing time by going on another character until the invasions move, haha |
| 17:52.01 | Gnarfoz | also an option |
| 17:52.18 | Gnarfoz | wanted to grab some marks of honor to grab my warlock and my shaman offhands, but you have to WIN to get those. urgh :P |
| 17:52.58 | Ammako | great for people who like to level through battlegrounds though. by the time they get to max level, they have a buuuuunch of marks |
| 17:58.50 | Ammako | i gotta say though, the new animation on exp bar is neat |
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| 18:08.54 | Gnarfoz | I can't say I've seen the Blizzard exp bar since 2005 |
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| 18:17.34 | PhatsoTGT | real quick: fast way to iterate all loaded addons? |
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| 18:19.00 | PhatsoTGT | or... is there an event that indicates that addons have been succesfully loaded? |
| 18:19.51 | Andols | ADDON_LOADED |
| 18:20.07 | Gnarfoz | (that is for each addon, though) |
| 18:20.46 | Andols | Event. IsAddOnLoaded(name) if you are looking for something specific |
| 18:21.18 | PhatsoTGT | ^^ ye thats what i just found too |
| 18:21.39 | Gnarfoz | also http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumAddOns |
| 18:21.52 | Gnarfoz | coupled with http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAddOnInfo |
| 18:21.54 | PhatsoTGT | might be better to wait for PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and then iterate my specific things to look for with isaddonloaded |
| 18:22.04 | Andols | And btw, if you log out during phase 1 or 2 (not sure about phase 3/4) you will be put back to the start of phase one again :p |
| 18:22.15 | Gnarfoz | of course, different instance |
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| 18:23.01 | PhatsoTGT | is addon loaded uses the name that addons put in the TOC file as title right? |
| 18:23.18 | Gnarfoz | I'd wager on dirname/tocfile name |
| 18:23.31 | Andols | It's folder name (I think) |
| 18:32.03 | PhatsoTGT | Interface\AddOns\MojoUI\modules\addonsupport.lua:12: attempt to call global 'IsAddonLoaded' (a nil value) |
| 18:32.05 | PhatsoTGT | nice |
| 18:32.30 | maunot | big O! |
| 18:33.16 | PhatsoTGT | oh |
| 18:33.18 | PhatsoTGT | thanks |
| 18:33.27 | maunot | I always make that typo as well :p |
| 18:33.30 | PhatsoTGT | this is going to get way messier before it gets better |
| 18:33.38 | PhatsoTGT | i'm learning delphi right now |
| 18:33.43 | Ammako | it's the small mistakes sometimes |
| 18:33.46 | PhatsoTGT | for work |
| 18:33.58 | PhatsoTGT | no case sensitivity at all |
| 18:34.05 | Ammako | i once spent a while trying to figure out why something wasn't working when I accidentally typed == instead of = |
| 18:35.28 | PhatsoTGT | works like a charm now |
| 18:35.28 | PhatsoTGT | ty |
| 18:39.51 | PhatsoTGT | how do i access non Ace namespaces of other addons again? |
| 18:42.46 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 18:42.46 | mpstark | You can only access stuff that is globally accessible |
| 18:42.50 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 18:43.00 | mpstark | Lua doesn't have namespaces |
| 18:43.17 | mpstark | Ace just makes a table for your addon |
| 18:43.19 | Gnarfoz | WoW provides them, but they're local to each addon |
| 18:44.39 | PhatsoTGT | hacky stuff it is |
| 18:45.05 | Kemayo | If the addon exports a global, you can just access it. (And many do.) |
| 18:45.19 | mpstark | I thought that wow just gave you a table |
| 18:45.34 | Kemayo | If not, LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):GetAddon("Name") |
| 18:45.53 | Gnarfoz | that table is your addon's namespace, if you will |
| 18:45.54 | Kemayo | Yeah, WoW passes in your addon name and a table shared between all files in your addon. |
| 18:47.54 | mpstark | Ah, I didn't realize that that was a namespace |
| 18:48.06 | PhatsoTGT | ya well that requires messy addonmakers to use libstub tho :D |
| 18:48.13 | Torhal | It's just a table that's only visible to the files in your AddOn |
| 18:48.21 | Gnarfoz | it requires them to use AceAddon, too |
| 18:48.40 | Torhal | local AddOnFolderName, privateTable = ... |
| 18:48.40 | Kemayo | PhatsoTGT: Oh, wait, you said "non Ace". My bad, I misread you. :P |
| 18:49.11 | PhatsoTGT | i find this funny |
| 18:49.46 | PhatsoTGT | theres this guy happily announcing he'd be curating the SX_Databar addon everybody and their mom puts in their UI now from now on |
| 18:50.01 | PhatsoTGT | well there hasnt really been any curating happened yet |
| 18:50.02 | Torhal | I've never heard of it |
| 18:50.03 | Semlar | the what |
| 18:50.16 | PhatsoTGT | except that he changed the name of the addon |
| 18:50.43 | Kemayo | Then, yeah, the answer is: you can't, if they're using the private table that WoW provides, but lots of addons put some table in the global namespace that you can access. |
| 18:50.47 | PhatsoTGT | its now XIV_Databar instead of SX_Databar but the addon variables are still all named SX_... |
| 18:50.58 | Ammako | chuckles |
| 18:51.09 | Gnarfoz | so... someone renamed an addon that nobody uses, and now... what? |
| 18:51.31 | Semlar | how am i supposed to pronounce these |
| 18:51.41 | Kemayo | It looks like Titan Panel, i.e. something ignoring the whole LDB affair. |
| 18:52.04 | Kemayo | Not that Titan ignores it any more, I guess. |
| 18:52.25 | PhatsoTGT | it wasnt meant to be a broker thing |
| 18:52.57 | PhatsoTGT | its just one specific thing out of the whole http://i.imgur.com/hGjFk9P.png |
| 18:53.14 | Gnarfoz | oh, that was you |
| 18:53.29 | Gnarfoz | if you're doing a full UI replacement, why not roll your own |
| 18:53.41 | Gnarfoz | instead of worrying about someone renaming an addon but not the variables... |
| 18:53.42 | PhatsoTGT | thats the UI im creating. but someone wasnt cool with waiting so they stomped together SX_Databar |
| 18:54.17 | Torhal | Kemayo: ElvUI apparently decided they were only going to support LDB datafeeds - fuck launchers! |
| 18:54.21 | Ammako | that looks really clean |
| 18:54.48 | Gnarfoz | it's also been around for so long that WoW's evolution has overtaken it, apparently. it still makes room for raid buffs |
| 18:55.16 | Kemayo | Torhal: Well, you know, it's a very large spec, and there's so much work to support it all... oh, wait, no. |
| 18:55.23 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:55.36 | Gnarfoz | I think it' |
| 18:55.46 | Gnarfoz | s well established that Elv is not a useful measuring stick for anything |
| 18:56.03 | PhatsoTGT | Ammako http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg |
| 18:56.11 | Torhal | Except for the thousands of people who use it and believe their "It's the AddOn's fault" rhetoric. |
| 18:56.22 | PhatsoTGT | the picture is just a PSD mockup from u/sammojo |
| 18:56.45 | Gnarfoz | it's not even yours? |
| 18:56.46 | PhatsoTGT | wait sorry http://i.imgur.com/aQ2Kzwe.jpg |
| 18:56.48 | Ammako | haha |
| 18:57.34 | Kemayo | On the subject of "been around so long", I was just looking at the screenshot attached to one of my addons, and noticing how many dated elements are in it: https://www.wowace.com/media/images/15/221/pvw10046.png |
| 18:58.13 | PhatsoTGT | no i decided to implement it after tearing my hair out trying it wth elvui |
| 18:58.13 | Hazal | Those good old soul shards |
| 18:58.21 | Kemayo | Also the keyring button. :D |
| 18:58.32 | Gnarfoz | elvui is for people who *don't* want to create something, why would you start there... :P |
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| 18:58.55 | PhatsoTGT | Gnarfoz i was rewriting their whole render code to make it possible |
| 18:59.28 | Gnarfoz | if you're that bored |
| 18:59.30 | Gnarfoz | more power to you |
| 18:59.33 | PhatsoTGT | i was about 2000 Lines before realizing that this was a bottomless jar |
| 19:01.23 | PhatsoTGT | but after a month hiatus and fixing the newly generated legion bugs its coming together quite nicely. i have found a really slick and resourcefriendly way to emulate a preset bartender with zoomed icons |
| 19:01.48 | Gnarfoz | emulate o_o |
| 19:01.55 | PhatsoTGT | well not emulate |
| 19:02.35 | PhatsoTGT | just doing what bt4 is mostly used for. putting some bars centered without artframes |
| 19:02.50 | PhatsoTGT | and it automatically reacts to you actually loading bartender and loads the profile fitting the UI |
| 19:03.07 | PhatsoTGT | thats what i was using the addonloaded stuff for |
| 19:04.08 | PhatsoTGT | the idea is that i create an addon that could be used standalone doing most stuff you need and when it comes to more finicky details other addons come in to augment it |
| 19:04.09 | Gnarfoz | so what you were trying to say is, you're loading a Bartender profile |
| 19:07.18 | PhatsoTGT | i load a bartender profile when bartender is loaded and when its not it loads light variant of it positioning and designing my bars like the bars in the Mockup |
| 19:08.16 | PhatsoTGT | so no functionality other than layouting with no options unless you load an addon that makes its specific job way better than i could ever do |
| 19:09.40 | Gnarfoz | why not include bartender in the first place and load a profile that makes it look like you want? |
| 19:11.00 | PhatsoTGT | because i dont want to load fucktons of addons just to one simple thing that could be done in 20 Lines of Code instead. |
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| 19:49.16 | Ssateneth | "Details!" guy here? |
| 19:49.28 | Ssateneth | getting a rendering issue with the damage breakdown window |
| 19:49.55 | Ssateneth | https://gyazo.com/406a75e48214d4dd434053014190f9da |
| 19:51.01 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: that'd be tercio, and no, apparently |
| 19:51.14 | Gnarfoz | (he was here a few days ago, not sure if he planned on staying) |
| 19:51.16 | Ssateneth | mm. |
| 19:51.27 | Ssateneth | well i left a comment on addon page, hope he sees it |
| 19:51.38 | Gnarfoz | doubtful, unless it's wowinterface :P |
| 19:52.10 | Gnarfoz | (although I've heard Curse did things... but years of broken notifications (and comment nesting) have instilled distrust :P) |
| 19:52.15 | Gnarfoz | he's on quakenet, though |
| 19:52.46 | Ssateneth | ah |
| 19:56.23 | Ammako | curse comments are so bad |
| 19:58.38 | Ammako | at least email notifications seem to work ok for new comments that aren't replies |
| 20:04.19 | Ssateneth | Gnarfoz I pm'd him. It's some random french dude |
| 20:04.22 | Ssateneth | Dont think it was him |
| 20:04.29 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 20:04.47 | Gnarfoz | pretty sure tercio is tercio |
| 20:06.14 | Ssateneth | Wellllll unless he's french (or is just dodging me by talking in french), dont think it was him |
| 20:06.42 | Ssateneth | [2:53:16pm] <_Ssateneth> Hey. Are you the "Details!" author by chance? |
| 20:06.42 | Ssateneth | [2:58:28pm] <Tercio> Je ne sais pas l'anglais |
| 20:06.42 | Ssateneth | [2:59:27pm] <_Ssateneth> Je vais utiliser Google Traduction. Ãtes-vous l'auteur de détails addon pour World of Warcraft ? |
| 20:06.42 | Ssateneth | [2:59:53pm] <Tercio> ne |
| 20:06.42 | Ssateneth | [3:00:16pm] <_Ssateneth> Est-ce un non? |
| 20:06.43 | Ssateneth | [3:01:17pm] <_Ssateneth> Si non, alors je suis désolé de vous déranger . Je pensais que vous étiez quelqu'un d'autre . |
| 20:09.22 | znf | stupid question |
| 20:09.29 | znf | what is Navi/Volta/Vega? |
| 20:10.21 | znf | Ah, AMD stuff |
| 20:10.27 | Ammako | isnt it Tercioo |
| 20:11.17 | Ammako | probably best to pm directly on wowi |
| 20:25.57 | fewyn | 2 levels to go until 100 on the lock |
| 20:26.02 | fewyn | then i get to open all my boxes :D |
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| 20:50.53 | Ketho | Ammako: I don't get curse notifications for replies to my own comments either, made a Curse ticket last week but no answer yet :( |
| 20:51.47 | Ammako | i get notifications to replies to comments but when it starts being replies to a reply of a comment it doesn't really work |
| 20:53.17 | Ammako | and the layout once it starts being more than 3 replies in a row triggers me |
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| 21:05.51 | Ressy | hai Jags |
| 21:06.12 | Jagscorpion_ | hi there! |
| 21:08.22 | Jagscorpion_ | oh, I wondered if it was you |
| 21:08.55 | Jagscorpion_ | I fixed hello world, apparently copying blizzards xml file puts a "-" in front of the ui tag |
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| 21:12.32 | Jagscorpion_ | so, I'm an absolute beginner at making addons, I've read the basic tutorials on several wowwikki type sites, is there any particular way a new addon lua file will always need to start? |
| 21:13.20 | Jagscorpion_ | or any "tutorial addons" so to speak, with every line commented? |
| 21:13.33 | zenzelezz | every line? Doubt it |
| 21:13.41 | zenzelezz | but what do you mean by "always need to start"? |
| 21:13.43 | Ammako | really depends on what you want to do |
| 21:14.26 | Jagscorpion_ | like, does there need to be a global variable saved with the addon name? or do I just dive right in with the function of the addon |
| 21:14.57 | Jagscorpion_ | My end goal is to make an addon that tracks character/spec and enables/disables spell alerts based on this |
| 21:14.58 | Ammako | don't absolutely need a variable like that |
| 21:15.18 | Jagscorpion_ | so I assume at least initially I have to somehow track and store the char name |
| 21:16.58 | znf | addon's saved variables can be per-char or per-realm |
| 21:17.52 | Hazal | I'm no expert but isn't it per-char and per-account? |
| 21:18.07 | Hazal | Or is there also one for realm |
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| 21:18.09 | znf | So either SavedVariables or SavedVariablesPerCharacter |
| 21:18.13 | znf | Hazal, you're right |
| 21:18.36 | Ammako_ | so wait |
| 21:18.39 | Ammako_ | you want to disable/enable spell alerts based on character name? |
| 21:18.58 | Jagscorpion_ | I do, I saw the post on the forums, but I wanted to do it a little more comprehensively than that |
| 21:19.04 | Jagscorpion_ | also I didn't entirely understand the code |
| 21:19.08 | Jagscorpion_ | which I'm trying to learn |
| 21:19.20 | Ammako_ | cause i made something that does exactly that, that might be what you've seen |
| 21:20.15 | znf | as always - figure out what you want, first |
| 21:20.27 | Jagscorpion_ | I saw that, http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748195071 iirc. I didn't quite understand parts of the code, which is what I was hoping to do. Also I wanted to make something that would actually store your name the 1rst time you log in, rather than having to edit the lua file and add specific char names |
| 21:20.51 | Ammako | ah yeah exactly what i had in mind |
| 21:21.28 | znf | You don't really need to track the char name in this scenario |
| 21:21.28 | Jagscorpion_ | for example I thought I understood how arguments worked |
| 21:21.35 | Jagscorpion_ | oh? |
| 21:22.49 | znf | make a slash command that simply remembers a bool (false or true), and act upon it on login |
| 21:23.03 | Ammako | thats a good idea |
| 21:23.11 | znf | and save it in SavedVariablesPerCharacter |
| 21:23.21 | Jagscorpion_ | that's true, but it's something extra to do every time you log in. Also you'd have to do it again upon switching specs |
| 21:23.41 | Jagscorpion_ | or am I misreading you? |
| 21:23.46 | Ammako | can't do that without savedvariables though and i've not yet gotten around to looking into learning those so that's why i did it that way :p |
| 21:24.08 | znf | Jagscorpion_, no, you set it once per char |
| 21:24.13 | Ammako | also you can add a few slash commands depending on spec that save the settings in savedvariables for each spec to have it change when you respec |
| 21:24.16 | Jagscorpion_ | haha, well you're several steps ahead of me amm :) |
| 21:24.35 | znf | though you haven't specified if you need to toggle that on/off per spec |
| 21:24.46 | Ammako | if using savedvariables you would never need to track the character name regardless of what you want to do i don't think |
| 21:25.33 | Ammako | since it will already fetch data specific to the character on login |
| 21:26.05 | Jagscorpion_ | when I look at savedvariables it is always in reference to an existing addon |
| 21:26.21 | znf | ## SavedVariables: EnableAlerts |
| 21:26.25 | znf | no, wait |
| 21:26.35 | znf | ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: EnableAlerts |
| 21:26.57 | znf | and then you can have a simple if-then-else |
| 21:27.49 | znf | if ( EnableAlerts ) then setTheCvarForAllertsWhateverItIs = true else setTheCvarForAllertsWhateverItIs = false end |
| 21:28.15 | znf | ofcourse, you would need to wait for VARIABLES_LOADED to fire |
| 21:29.01 | znf | And you need to add a /slashcommand that toggles the EnableAlerts variable |
| 21:29.03 | Jagscorpion_ | so create an addon that calls the function on event VARIABLES_LOADED (EnableAlerts) |
| 21:29.25 | Jagscorpion_ | sorry, like I said I'm very new to this |
| 21:29.45 | Jagscorpion_ | and I know that event isn't real |
| 21:30.20 | Jagscorpion_ | I guess what I'm unsure of is how to interact with the slashcommand if it's stored in the savedvariables |
| 21:30.28 | znf | This is very easy to read: http://hastebin.com/ovihiratin.lua |
| 21:30.31 | Semlar | that event is real, it just isn't what you want |
| 21:30.35 | znf | one of my simple addons |
| 21:30.44 | Jagscorpion_ | ah thanks! |
| 21:30.53 | znf | it's for something else, obviously |
| 21:31.02 | znf | but you can look at the events part and the slash command part |
| 21:31.28 | Semlar | you should be watching for ADDON_LOADED with the name of your addon |
| 21:32.01 | Jagscorpion_ | what does arg reference? |
| 21:32.11 | Jagscorpion_ | oh I'm dumbn |
| 21:32.13 | Jagscorpion_ | argument |
| 21:32.37 | Jagscorpion_ | does it always have to have ... at the end? |
| 21:33.59 | znf | no |
| 21:34.09 | znf | you can do it without :) |
| 21:34.16 | Jagscorpion_ | it's just cleaner that way? |
| 21:35.19 | znf | I just needed arguments :D |
| 21:36.45 | Jagscorpion_ | to make sure I'm keeping up with this, CancelPet:RegisterEvent ("randomevent") tells the system to do what in releationship to the previously created variable? |
| 21:37.28 | Jagscorpion_ | or I guess that's a function, not a variable |
| 21:37.43 | znf | that function registers your addon to listen or an event |
| 21:38.16 | znf | Then you need to add an event listener |
| 21:38.26 | Seerah | rather, it registers that specific frame to listen for when that event fires |
| 21:38.53 | Seerah | (handler) ;) |
| 21:39.01 | znf | yes, handler |
| 21:39.21 | Seerah | hugs znf |
| 21:40.03 | znf | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Handling_events |
| 21:40.32 | Jagscorpion_ | I understand the concept, but am struggling with the execution, so, you create the function CancelPet, then you tell it to look for specific events when it's called, later you create something that calls CancelPet to start, (so to speak). The slash command calls it? |
| 21:40.33 | znf | There's at least 2 ways of doing it |
| 21:40.46 | znf | you create a FRAME, not a function |
| 21:41.13 | Jagscorpion_ | ah so cancelpet is a frame |
| 21:41.19 | Jagscorpion_ | within which a function is happening |
| 21:41.57 | Seerah | No. |
| 21:42.02 | Jagscorpion_ | local CancelPet = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent) does it have to be called "Frame"? or you're just naming that for ease |
| 21:42.07 | Jagscorpion_ | oh |
| 21:42.22 | Jagscorpion_ | give me a minute, I'll read the reference |
| 21:42.27 | Seerah | You're telling it to create a frame as opposed to a button or fontstring |
| 21:44.04 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame |
| 21:44.57 | Jagscorpion_ | are the [ necessary? I see that they're not there for the CancelPet frame |
| 21:45.16 | Jagscorpion_ | ("frameType" [, "name" [, parent [, "template"]]]) |
| 21:45.24 | Seerah | When looking at documentation, any arguments within square brackets are optional argumetns |
| 21:45.27 | Seerah | *arguments |
| 21:45.27 | Ammako | those mean that those arguments are optional |
| 21:45.33 | Ammako | you're a ninja |
| 21:45.34 | Jagscorpion_ | ah |
| 21:45.45 | Seerah | I'm a speedy typer ;) |
| 21:46.03 | Ammako | i made the same mistake initially |
| 21:46.06 | Jagscorpion_ | this may be obvious, but what's the practical difference between optional/not? |
| 21:46.30 | Ammako | optional meaning that the function doesn't require those arguments in order to work |
| 21:47.01 | Ammako | while not optional means it'll error out if you don't include it |
| 21:47.22 | Ammako | if that's not the answer you are looking for then i'm not really sure what else to say :s |
| 21:48.04 | Seerah | Ammako: that's probably what he meant. Though my brain got stuck on the words "practical difference" when talking about something being "optional". My head is still tilting... |
| 21:48.04 | Jagscorpion_ | so if I'm reading this right, CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent) is creating a frame (not a button or something), the there is no name associated with it, and it's parent is the uiparent (whatever that means, I'll understand later) |
| 21:48.19 | Jagscorpion_ | well yeah, obviously optional means it's not required |
| 21:48.23 | Seerah | :) |
| 21:48.32 | Ammako | that's why im not really sure what the question is |
| 21:48.40 | Jagscorpion_ | you explained it fine |
| 21:49.03 | Jagscorpion_ | I'm trying not to take things for granted when it comes to lua |
| 21:49.20 | Seerah | It's simpler and more straightforward than you think. ;) |
| 21:49.31 | Ammako | also if you ever need to work with frames, /framestack is your friend |
| 21:49.44 | Jagscorpion_ | I have discovered that! |
| 21:50.18 | Jagscorpion_ | but those are actual frames that exist in the blizz ui right? that doesn't really refer to the metaphysical frames a lot of addons make |
| 21:50.19 | Seerah | Whenever you give a frame a name at creation, that name goes into the global namespace as a global reference to that object. This is why many people choose to use nil rather than give their frame a name. If you want to give your frame a name (one that will show up with /framestack) then follow the rules of using global variables. Unique and identifiable to your addon. |
| 21:50.20 | Jagscorpion_ | yes? |
| 21:50.33 | Jagscorpion_ | ooh, thanks! |
| 21:50.53 | Semlar | i name all of my frames after torhal's cats |
| 21:51.01 | Jagscorpion_ | lol |
| 21:51.24 | Seerah | when you use /framestack and mouse over a frame without a name, you will only see an identifier for that frame (I think framestack shows its memory address) |
| 21:51.35 | Jagscorpion_ | so if a frame has a ui parent in the arguments, that most likely means the auther is making an actually viewable frame |
| 21:52.14 | Seerah | Not always, though if you want your frame to be part of the visible UI, it is a good idea to parent it to the UIParent |
| 21:52.18 | Ammako | framestack shows addon-created frames im sure |
| 21:52.24 | Seerah | it does |
| 21:52.32 | Jagscorpion_ | where would an addon created frame even be? |
| 21:52.41 | Seerah | Think of UIParent as the piece of paper that the UI is drawn on |
| 21:52.43 | Ammako | how do you mean |
| 21:52.54 | Jagscorpion_ | for example, the addon saysapped creates a frame, but has no physical attributes attached that I know of, and no xml file |
| 21:53.02 | Ammako | once you add a frame with an add-on i don't think the game really differentiates anymore |
| 21:53.04 | Seerah | you don't need an xml file |
| 21:53.20 | Semlar | my last addon was just an xml file |
| 21:53.28 | znf | lies |
| 21:53.35 | Seerah | and a frame does not need any visible attributes if it is only created to handle events or an OnUpdate script |
| 21:53.39 | Semlar | no it's true, go check transmogroulette |
| 21:53.45 | Ammako | i have an addon that's just a bunch of SetCVar calls lol |
| 21:54.41 | Jagscorpion_ | when I'm thinking of framestack I'm thinking that it shows you whatever frame name your mouse is hovering over |
| 21:54.42 | znf | Semlar, LIES |
| 21:54.45 | Jagscorpion_ | am I right? |
| 21:54.51 | Ironii | yes |
| 21:55.01 | znf | Why would you do XML? |
| 21:55.05 | Jagscorpion_ | and if so, where would the frame even show up if it's not a visible frame |
| 21:55.10 | znf | What is wrong with you, mushroom king? |
| 21:55.11 | Ammako | it wouldn't |
| 21:55.14 | Semlar | just cause |
| 21:55.20 | Ammako | well, if it's not actually placed anywhere on the screen |
| 21:55.22 | Jagscorpion_ | that's what confused me initially |
| 21:55.34 | znf | not every addon needs crap drawn on the screen :P |
| 21:55.37 | Ammako | frame can be invisible but be anchored somewhere on the screen, and framestack will pick up on that |
| 21:55.42 | Seerah | Even a visible frame that's currently hidden wouldn't show up in the /framestack |
| 21:56.06 | Ammako | actually i confused hidden with "not currently in use" |
| 21:56.07 | Jagscorpion_ | just wanted to make sure I wasn't thinking of it the wrong way |
| 21:56.17 | Jagscorpion_ | still very helpful to find out what I'm actually looking at on the screen |
| 21:56.54 | Ammako | i was thinking of stuff like error frame and spell alert frame that you technically don't see but they aren't hidden |
| 21:57.08 | Jagscorpion_ | gotcha |
| 21:57.24 | Jagscorpion_ | or if you have a mouse deadzone and want to figure out what frame is messing it up :) |
| 21:57.31 | Seerah | The frame isn't hidden, it just doesn't have any textures or text displayed at that moment |
| 21:57.32 | Ammako | lol yeah |
| 21:57.36 | Semlar | frames are invisible, only regions like textures and fontstrings actually have something you can see |
| 21:57.43 | Ammako | yeah that's why i said i confused hidden with "not currently in use" :p |
| 21:57.57 | Seerah | Semlar: unless you use :SetBackdrop(), etc. |
| 21:58.13 | Semlar | well, setbackdrop is technically just creating a texture |
| 21:58.35 | Seerah | eh, but you're not explicitly creating a texture. |
| 21:58.38 | Ironii | now you are just confusing Jagscorpion_ |
| 21:58.38 | Ironii | :D |
| 21:58.52 | Ammako | lol |
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| 21:59.03 | Jagscorpion_ | so to continue with the cancelpet, local CPF = {} references all of the CPF_Frame stuff later? |
| 22:00.16 | Jagscorpion_ | and I just realized only znf can answer that |
| 22:00.46 | znf | wait, I'm drunk |
| 22:00.51 | Jagscorpion_ | lol |
| 22:00.56 | Ammako | I'm Ammako |
| 22:01.03 | Seerah | that line creates a new (empty) table |
| 22:01.22 | znf | ah, that's just an empty table that never gets saved, that keeps other crap in it |
| 22:01.24 | znf | don't worry about it |
| 22:01.36 | Jagscorpion_ | alright |
| 22:01.58 | znf | The addon keeps track of pet fights, and it stores the UID of the pet when you fight it |
| 22:03.52 | Seerah | Jagscorpion_: read this http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaTutorial and head over to its Tutorial Directory. Very helpful when I was learning. |
| 22:04.26 | fewyn | ilvl 690 on my warlock :D |
| 22:04.29 | fewyn | leveled via invasions |
| 22:04.36 | Jagscorpion_ | @Seerah thanks |
| 22:04.40 | Jagscorpion_ | lol |
| 22:11.44 | znf | so... people do 1-100 in 11 hours |
| 22:11.46 | znf | ...wat |
| 22:11.56 | Jagscorpion_ | invasions are a big part of it |
| 22:12.00 | Jagscorpion_ | afaik |
| 22:12.05 | kd3 | RaF + invasions + rapid mind elixirs |
| 22:12.36 | Ammako | ah man and i thought my 27 hours to 90 was decent |
| 22:12.50 | Jagscorpion_ | it probably was :) |
| 22:12.58 | Ammako | though i guess i did spend a fair bit of time idling i guess |
| 22:13.41 | Ammako | invasions are amazing with Raf and im not sure if dungeons or invasions are better anymore |
| 22:14.49 | znf | BAH! |
| 22:15.12 | znf | I can't apply for a gun permit, because I don't have a clean record sheet |
| 22:15.13 | znf | fu |
| 22:15.51 | Jagscorpion_ | znf, I finally understand your event lol |
| 22:15.55 | Jagscorpion_ | only took me 30 mins |
| 22:16.55 | Jagscorpion_ | and that's a bummer |
| 22:17.05 | Jagscorpion_ | is there a period of time you can wait to get a gun permit? |
| 22:17.54 | znf | my probation is still up to 2019, so I guess some time after that, when I can claer my record |
| 22:18.17 | Jagscorpion_ | at least you have a specific point that you know you'll be able to after |
| 22:19.18 | znf | I guess |
| 22:21.29 | znf | wouldn't be able to carry anyway |
| 22:21.34 | znf | was just curious |
| 22:21.43 | znf | so apparently I can't run for presidency OR get a gun permit... smh |
| 22:22.02 | Arrowmaster | then dont break the law |
| 22:24.16 | znf | easy money is easy |
| 22:24.26 | znf | was broke, only option I had was to break the law back then :D |
| 22:25.02 | znf | or, rather, was easier |
| 22:27.58 | Ammako | anyone know if there's a more reliable way to get the player's own health bar from personal resource display other than C_NamePlate.GetNamePlateForUnit("player") |
| 22:28.35 | nebula | znf sure does have a purdy mouth |
| 22:28.44 | znf | wat |
| 22:28.58 | znf | :-( |
| 22:29.33 | Jagscorpion_ | I doubt he meant THAT kind of easier money |
| 22:29.41 | Thunder_Child | Are you denying it znf? |
| 22:29.46 | nebula | Jagscorpion_: you don't know znf |
| 22:29.52 | Jagscorpion_ | haha |
| 22:30.18 | znf | If I were a woman, I'd totally do it. |
| 22:45.20 | Ammako | personal resource display frame is unnecessarily annoying |
| 22:48.08 | Jagscorpion_ | as opposed to necessarily annoying? |
| 22:53.36 | Ammako | lol :p |
| 22:54.12 | Ammako | to be fair there are things that i guess need to be annoying to some extent, this is not one of them tho |
| 22:55.19 | Ammako | the resource bar is clearly defined as ClassNameplateManaBarFrame but the health bar is C_NamePlate.GetNamePlateForUnit("player") which isnt nearly as reliable, why couldnt they just have our health bar defined as its own thing rather than part of the whole nameplates business |
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| 23:00.29 | Ssateneth | I like how omen threat meter from 2015 somehow automagically knows about the demon hunter class |
| 23:00.54 | Ssateneth | i do wish that it would show proper threat on invasion bosses though. No idea when I'm about to pull agro and get 1 shotted and die |
| 23:01.28 | kd3 | threat seems horribly broken on scaling mobs |
| 23:02.04 | Ammako | noticed my friend got bashed on by the last boss even though my frames weren't showing any aggro |
| 23:11.04 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: uhm... wat... unless mmo-champion has a french-only speaking moderator that goes by that name.... |
| 23:12.47 | Ssateneth | idk |
| 23:12.55 | Ssateneth | i pmed him on quakenet irc |
| 23:13.09 | Ssateneth | and got french speaking guy that seemed to have no clue wha ti was tlaking about or didnt care |
| 23:23.42 | Ammako | noticed that curse's Browse by Class thingy still doesn't have Monk, let alone DH |
| 23:25.46 | mckenziemc | invariably Torhal's fault |
| 23:26.11 | Torhal | Fuck those classes, man. |
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| 23:26.16 | Torhal | stabs mckenziemc with a glaive. |
| 23:26.34 | Torhal | Ammako: What browse by class thing? |
| 23:26.46 | Ammako | when you browse for addons |
| 23:27.26 | Ammako | http://i.imgur.com/gTMzzML.png |
| 23:27.41 | Torhal | Oh, awesome. I don't use that site. |
| 23:27.47 | Torhal | I'll let someone know, though. That's a bit lacking. |
| 23:28.02 | Ammako | haha |
| 23:28.39 | Ammako | thought it was a little bit funny since curse hasn't really stopped being relevant, yet is missing a class added 4 years ago :p |
| 23:29.01 | Ammako | those are nice icons though |
| 23:30.49 | Torhal | Ammako: What's funny is I made sure Garrison was added. |
| 23:31.07 | Ammako | now I wonder how it went for so long without being noticed |
| 23:31.18 | Torhal | Nobody made any Monk AddOns? |
| 23:31.28 | Ammako | perhaps |
| 23:32.09 | Ammako | i can find some by searching though |
| 23:32.26 | Torhal | Nobody cared enough to complain? D: |
| 23:33.21 | Ammako | looks like the categories for Monk and Demon Hunters already exist, it's just there's no buttons to filter by them when browsing it seems |
| 23:33.54 | Ammako | so I guess people just set their addons as "Monk" or "Demon Hunter" without really knowing |
| 23:34.48 | Ammako | and then maybe more people tend to just use the search bar rather than the filters |
| 23:35.04 | Torhal | Ammako: They exist on CurseForge, which is why nobody complained. |
| 23:35.11 | Torhal | Authors don't use mods.curse.com |
| 23:35.22 | Ammako | indeed |
| 23:35.29 | Torhal | https://wow.curseforge.com/categories/ |
| 23:36.19 | Ammako | i know, I mentioned that the categories seem to exist, just that curse.com has no buttons to filter by them :p |
| 23:36.34 | Torhal | Was just showing you the icons exist as well :) |
| 23:37.04 | Ammako | oh i saw the icons in the list of results when i searched |
| 23:37.10 | Torhal | k |
| 23:38.39 | Torhal | stabs mckenziemc with the other glaive. |
| 23:50.24 | znf | stabs Torhal with cats |
| 23:50.46 | Torhal | Can't do that; I have too many cats you'd have to get through. |
| 23:53.10 | znf | I have enough mana |
