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| 02:33.37 | LexSfX | i'm not sure if "InputBoxTemplate" is the one i'll want |
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| 04:27.12 | LexSfX | curse is down? |
| 04:27.33 | LexSfX | getting error 502 |
| 04:27.38 | nebula | <Kaelten> we're about to be doing a maintenance to get all of this in a better place |
| 04:27.38 | nebula | <Kaelten> we need to do a rack reboot |
| 04:27.38 | nebula | <Kaelten> sites about to go offline for the reboot |
| 04:28.02 | LexSfX | oh, thanks |
| 04:28.09 | Kaelten | yup curseeforge/wowace is down for maintenance |
| 04:28.11 | Kaelten | we're back up soon as possible |
| 04:28.54 | LexSfX | sweet :) |
| 04:41.59 | Kaelten | sites are back up working on restoring rest of services |
| 04:48.48 | kd3 | in other news, ULA's launching a rocket in ~3 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BScrUfSGPr8 |
| 04:53.04 | mfgmfg | damn, missed liftoff |
| 04:53.16 | mfgmfg | i can rewind though |
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| 05:05.37 | mckenziemc | the horror |
| 05:09.27 | Kaelten | ok repos should be back |
| 05:09.37 | Torhal | rewinds mckenziemc. |
| 05:32.39 | fewyn | how's everyone tonight |
| 05:35.09 | Torhal | Alive, fewyn. And yourself? |
| 05:35.22 | fewyn | pretty much the same |
| 05:35.28 | fewyn | i got an hour of overtime today |
| 05:36.03 | Torhal | Woot :) |
| 05:36.27 | fewyn | i'm going to be sad when we stop doing new training classes |
| 05:36.32 | fewyn | i won't be getting OT anymore |
| 05:38.27 | kd3 | over...time...? |
| 05:39.32 | fewyn | it's this cool thing hourly employees get |
| 05:39.39 | fewyn | at least until the new OT laws kick in |
| 05:39.45 | fewyn | where salary can get OT |
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| 05:40.31 | Torhal | ...which effectively makes salary hourly. |
| 05:40.33 | kd3 | I used to get bitched the hell out if I ever got close to OT |
| 05:40.36 | nebula | salaried people can get OT o.O |
| 05:40.46 | kd3 | back when I worked hourly jobs |
| 05:41.07 | Torhal | kd3: Wouldn't "getting close to OT" mean "Working 40 hours"? |
| 05:41.23 | nebula | pretty sure if you work over 40 hours, you're entitled to OT, like per federal law |
| 05:41.28 | fewyn | i'm required to put more than 40 hours |
| 05:41.30 | Torhal | Not if salary. |
| 05:41.34 | fewyn | so i get overtime |
| 05:41.36 | nebula | yes, if salary |
| 05:41.39 | Torhal | No. |
| 05:41.39 | fewyn | i can't do it stupidly tho |
| 05:41.40 | kd3 | I'm exempt |
| 05:41.44 | Torhal | Salary ~= hourly |
| 05:41.45 | kd3 | there's no such thing as overtime for me |
| 05:41.57 | nebula | Torhal: yes. google that shit |
| 05:42.13 | Torhal | Why is it that I use the Lua convention for not equals when I mean the other way, but use the other when trying to type Lua? |
| 05:42.23 | nebula | why do you think people complain about not getting paid OT, like programmers and animators |
| 05:42.26 | kd3 | http://www.flsa.com/coverage.html |
| 05:42.31 | Torhal | Because they're salary. |
| 05:42.36 | fewyn | https://www.dol.gov/featured/overtime/ |
| 05:42.42 | nebula | their bosses DON'T ALLOW THEM TO REPORT OVER 40 HOURS |
| 05:42.46 | nebula | even though the work it |
| 05:42.53 | fewyn | then you report them |
| 05:43.03 | Torhal | No...? |
| 05:43.05 | nebula | obviously |
| 05:43.13 | nebula | but most fear reprisal |
| 05:43.18 | Torhal | It's the payment level |
| 05:43.31 | Torhal | If you make above a certain amount, you're exempt as a salaried employee. |
| 05:43.37 | fewyn | so if you make less than 47k a year you can get OT |
| 05:43.41 | Torhal | The amount is fucking silly as shit. |
| 05:43.41 | fewyn | if you make more you are exempt |
| 05:43.42 | kd3 | I don't track hours. I'm sure I'm on the clock (whatever that means any more) for more than 40 hours a week |
| 05:44.03 | Torhal | fewyn: It's actually less than 30k |
| 05:44.03 | fewyn | this rule comes into effect december 1st |
| 05:44.06 | Torhal | So it's silly as fuck. |
| 05:44.14 | fewyn | i'm reading the link i pulled up |
| 05:44.26 | fewyn | The final rule will: |
| 05:44.27 | fewyn | Raise the salary threshold indicating eligibility from $455/week to $913 ($47,476 per year), ensuring protections to 4.2 million workers. |
| 05:44.29 | Torhal | Then you aren't reciting what is current. |
| 05:44.40 | fewyn | this is the DOL website |
| 05:44.50 | Torhal | I was trying to explain to nebula that typically salaried means "No OT, suckah!" |
| 05:45.17 | Torhal | Because the threshold is so damn low right now. |
| 05:45.21 | Torhal | It's like $26k |
| 05:45.28 | fewyn | oh |
| 05:45.31 | fewyn | you mean the current rule |
| 05:45.33 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 05:45.37 | fewyn | i'm talkiing about december 1st |
| 05:45.39 | fewyn | what the rule is |
| 05:45.56 | Torhal | yeah, I know, but nebula was saying over 40 hours means OT no matter what |
| 05:45.58 | Torhal | And that isn't fact |
| 05:46.00 | fewyn | ah |
| 05:46.02 | fewyn | true |
| 05:46.03 | nebula | yea, my bad |
| 05:46.06 | Torhal | If you're below $26k/year, YES. |
| 05:46.21 | Torhal | Thank fuck for the new rules. |
| 05:46.30 | fewyn | sadly i'm still hourly |
| 05:46.35 | Torhal | What? |
| 05:46.38 | Torhal | Oh |
| 05:46.41 | fewyn | i don't mean sadly =p |
| 05:46.44 | Torhal | You're referring to your pay. |
| 05:46.48 | nebula | i make way more than that and my contract says i'm nonexempt |
| 05:46.56 | fewyn | i'm currently stuck at 13$ an hour |
| 05:48.25 | Iriel | The key question is usually /where/ are you stuck at $13/hr |
| 05:48.38 | Iriel | (as in, from a cost of living perspective) |
| 05:48.42 | fewyn | columbus ohio |
| 05:49.08 | fewyn | i work in a call center as a trainer for new hires |
| 05:49.25 | Iriel | Interesting, I just spent the last 2 days in one of our call centers. |
| 05:49.27 | fewyn | i put them through a 3 week course (120 hours) with a final exam |
| 05:49.42 | Iriel | (as in, I just got back from flying home) |
| 05:50.04 | fewyn | i like and hate my job |
| 05:50.08 | fewyn | peak is just about to happen |
| 05:50.15 | fewyn | so i am done training after my current class |
| 05:50.23 | fewyn | which means i'm going to be taking phone calls half of the time |
| 05:57.20 | mckenziemc | you might like hating Torhal's work instead |
| 05:57.40 | Torhal | WAT |
| 05:57.43 | fewyn | can i just hate Torhal ? |
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| 05:57.52 | Torhal | fewyn: Old. |
| 05:58.03 | fewyn | jk |
| 05:58.06 | fewyn | <3 Torhal |
| 05:58.19 | mckenziemc | Torhal: not if you don't get entangled |
| 05:58.35 | mckenziemc | http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.4691v1.pdf |
| 05:58.44 | Torhal | No idea what you're on about, mckenziemc, but I'm assuming you've been drinking. |
| 05:58.59 | mckenziemc | https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/quantum-experiment-shows-how-time-emerges-from-entanglement-d5d3dc850933#.8aeu1cc8x |
| 05:59.07 | Alram | launches an angry cat towards Torhal before running off to work |
| 05:59.11 | Torhal | mceinsteinmc |
| 05:59.18 | Torhal | Alram: I have 18 to counter with! |
| 05:59.28 | Alram | fine! |
| 05:59.30 | Torhal | !!! |
| 05:59.47 | mckenziemc | you forgot ² |
| 05:59.53 | Torhal | ('-' ) (._. ) (o_o) ( ._.) ( '-') |
| 06:22.06 | kd3 | o_O. bnet is now 'reclaiming disk space....' |
| 06:22.12 | kd3 | wonder if that's going to brick my wow install? |
| 06:24.15 | fewyn | briiiick |
| 06:26.24 | Torhal | kd3: I'm assuming they saw what Simca was up to and went "Well, fuck. We can't be upstaged by a third-party tool done by an individual..." |
| 06:26.26 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:26.52 | kd3 | eh, my data folder is 52G, so I don't think it affected all that much... |
| 06:26.58 | Torhal | Ah |
| 06:27.11 | Torhal | Mine was 55, went to 36 after I blew it away and reinstalled. |
| 06:27.16 | Torhal | Nucking futz. |
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| 06:48.25 | tz | job's done |
| 06:49.37 | Primer | DH tank is surprisingly fun |
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| 12:24.30 | VIad | Primer: thats why I am still unsure what to pick as my new main |
| 12:25.06 | VIad | stuff I often miss when doing content at the moment: no grip or ranged 4s stun |
| 12:25.34 | nevcairiel | there is talentable mass grip |
| 12:25.47 | VIad | at the same time you do get more mobility but realistically how much would you need? wraith walk is good enough imo |
| 12:26.13 | VIad | it works, I hope it can get more range, on beta it felt a bit too small, but might be so its not like the DK one :p |
| 13:00.42 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: Fisker: what hotel are you staying at? |
| 13:00.50 | Fisker | I'm at travelodge |
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| 13:02.57 | VIad | still in japan? |
| 13:05.09 | jnwhiteh | Considering the Super 8 or Riviera |
| 13:05.14 | jnwhiteh | they're around 5000 SEK |
| 13:05.29 | jnwhiteh | but those rooms are enormous, seems silly to get one for myself :P |
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| 13:13.06 | Fisker | :P |
| 13:13.24 | Fisker | I got plenty rooms |
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| 14:18.53 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: AFAIK the Hilton. |
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| 15:05.36 | p3lim | Stanzilla: looks like I won't be doing anything to Talentless for atleast another week |
| 15:09.54 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 15:10.03 | Stanzilla | no worries :D |
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| 15:46.30 | alestane | Okay. Excuse me. Since when is -1 % 12 == 3? |
| 15:48.17 | foxlit | we renamed 11 while you weren't looking. |
| 15:48.57 | nevcairiel | its probably an unsigned modulo |
| 15:49.28 | nevcairiel | because it fits then |
| 15:52.11 | alestane | Well, it's C++. |
| 15:52.29 | alestane | But then wouldn't it be 11? |
| 15:52.44 | foxlit | (2^32-1) % 12 |
| 15:53.01 | Torhal | I should have forseen this; Thunder_Child returns, so it was inevitable that alestane would as well. |
| 15:53.48 | nevcairiel | -1 is all bits set of the types size, so in 8-bit thats 255 |
| 15:53.53 | nevcairiel | 255 % 12 is 3 |
| 15:54.07 | Thunder_Child | Well, who do you think holds alestane's leash.... |
| 15:54.08 | alestane | The type size should be 32, but the same might apply. |
| 15:54.23 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 15:54.28 | alestane | bites Thunder_Child's hand. |
| 15:54.40 | Torhal | TIL Thunder_Child is the Glue That Holds Oldies Togetherâ¢. |
| 15:54.40 | alestane | You stole that from Peppy. |
| 15:54.43 | nevcairiel | its 4294967295 then |
| 15:54.55 | nevcairiel | which mod 12 is still 3 |
| 15:54.58 | Thunder_Child | Peppy was tired of your hand biting. |
| 15:55.22 | alestane | So (signed int) % (unsigned int) must cast the signed int to an unsigned before the modulo. |
| 15:55.47 | Torhal | casts Thunder_Child to (void *). |
| 15:56.02 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: No, that's just old age secretions. |
| 15:56.09 | Torhal | :/ |
| 15:56.13 | nevcairiel | i dont think its that easy |
| 15:56.15 | Torhal | Fucker. :( |
| 15:56.17 | nevcairiel | the spec is a bit confusing |
| 15:56.34 | nevcairiel | "If both operands are nonnegative then the remainder is nonnegative; if not, the sign of the remainder is implementation-defined." |
| 15:56.35 | nevcairiel | so |
| 15:56.37 | nevcairiel | avoid it =p |
| 15:57.02 | Torhal | avoids Thunder_Child because Ageism. |
| 15:57.26 | alestane | Well, what's the spec when you divide a signed by an unsigned? |
| 15:57.35 | nevcairiel | division is fine |
| 15:57.44 | nevcairiel | just ordinary type promotion rules |
| 15:58.20 | alestane | OMFG that was it. |
| 15:58.55 | alestane | changing x %= width to x %= static_cast<int>(width) did it. |
| 15:59.12 | nevcairiel | its sitll implementation defined =p |
| 15:59.25 | nevcairiel | so it could be anything |
| 15:59.39 | nevcairiel | but without the type promotion rules, which favors unsigned, you get lucky |
| 15:59.49 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: I am not a ageist, I am a realist. |
| 15:59.54 | alestane | So you think I'm better off replacing it with something like // while (x < 0) x += width; |
| 16:00.07 | mischanix | you do mod, +, mod |
| 16:00.09 | Torhal | Yes, Thunder_Child - you're really ageist. >.> |
| 16:00.23 | alestane | mischanix, I was doing that. That's how I got into this problem. |
| 16:00.44 | Thunder_Child | Fine Torhal, I'll get off your damn lawn. |
| 16:01.11 | nevcairiel | apparently it was more clearly specific in C++11, so if you can always guarantee to have a recent compiler its probably fine now |
| 16:01.13 | Torhal | Leave my non-existent daughter alone, too, Thunder_Child. |
| 16:01.51 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: You just don't understand us! |
| 16:02.33 | Torhal | I don't wanna! |
| 16:02.46 | mischanix | alestane: i.e. s64 UnsignedMod(s64 x, s64 y) { return (x % y + y) % y; } |
| 16:03.09 | mischanix | er guess you'd name it PositiveMod or somesuch |
| 16:07.07 | alestane | Well, it works as is now, anyway. |
| 16:07.20 | alestane | I doubt I would have ever figured that out, so thanks nev |
| 16:11.36 | nevcairiel | signed/unsigned promotion can bite you into the ass easily |
| 16:12.52 | harl | for some reason, when i start the curse client and it's in the background and then checks for updates, it finds none and i have to manually refresh it again |
| 16:15.05 | Torhal | harl: Have you updated? |
| 16:15.13 | harl | it's as if it assumes that windows was locked when it's in the background immediately after being started |
| 16:15.41 | harl | torhal, i think it updates automatically |
| 16:15.49 | Torhal | harl: Not always. |
| 16:16.06 | harl | version 5.1.1.844 |
| 16:16.17 | Torhal | Oh |
| 16:16.20 | Torhal | No idea on that. |
| 16:16.50 | Stanzilla | get on 6.x, harl |
| 16:16.55 | nevcairiel | its actually 7.2 |
| 16:17.04 | Torhal | harl: I thought you were referring to https://www.curse.com/download |
| 16:17.04 | Stanzilla | or that even! |
| 16:17.36 | Torhal | If you get that, click the question mark in the side bar, then About Curse, then Switch to Alpha... |
| 16:17.45 | nevcairiel | and it still keeps opening at the hoime screen randomly ,even without updates |
| 16:17.47 | nevcairiel | wtb fix |
| 16:18.05 | Torhal | Though my sources say it'll be live on Release Soon⢠|
| 16:19.09 | VIad | a lot of /.+dan/ names that are just really bad |
| 16:19.34 | harl | thanks, i'll try a fresh download - there is no question mark in the sidebar though, and curse client says there are no updates when i "Check for Client Updates" |
| 16:19.48 | nevcairiel | its a different client entirely |
| 16:19.55 | harl | ok |
| 16:20.58 | harl | bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
| 16:21.06 | harl | meh, sorry, heavy thumb |
| 16:21.07 | Torhal | nevcairiel: What version are you on? |
| 16:21.18 | Torhal | grinds harl under his thumb. |
| 16:21.25 | harl | oy.. |
| 16:22.41 | harl | should i manually uninstall the previous curse client installation? |
| 16:23.04 | Torhal | I _believe_ it should clean it up for you. |
| 16:23.13 | Torhal | But I'm on Mac, so I cannnot be certain. |
| 16:23.14 | nevcairiel | Torhal: 7.2.6057.6257 |
| 16:23.17 | nevcairiel | why is that so long anyway |
| 16:23.22 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 16:23.27 | nevcairiel | also i lied |
| 16:23.35 | nevcairiel | Torhal: 7.2.6075.6257 |
| 16:23.38 | nevcairiel | flipped a number there |
| 16:24.06 | harl | heavy flipping finger |
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| 16:25.01 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Try switching to Beta. |
| 16:25.12 | Zeldo | The client will not uninstall the old one at this time |
| 16:25.13 | Torhal | Apparently it went live there. |
| 16:25.14 | nevcairiel | is thatr newer then alpha now? |
| 16:25.19 | Zeldo | and you donât need to be on alpha anylonger |
| 16:25.29 | Torhal | I don't know the Inner Workings of the Machine. |
| 16:25.45 | Zeldo | Yes, Beta is > alpha atm |
| 16:25.48 | Zeldo | Or at least even |
| 16:25.49 | Torhal | Anyway, whatever the result I blame Zeldo. |
| 16:25.50 | nevcairiel | there is no beta button, only a "switch to live" button |
| 16:26.01 | nevcairiel | so there is no "release", only "beta"? :D |
| 16:26.35 | Zeldo | They do it just to confuse people |
| 16:26.35 | Zeldo | :D |
| 16:26.54 | harl | "Switch to Confusion" |
| 16:27.54 | nevcairiel | 7.1.6075.11505 .. so the major versioin is smaller, the last part is bigger .. and that entails a newer version? |
| 16:28.02 | Torhal | gives Zeldo the Red and Blue pill. |
| 16:28.04 | nevcairiel | someone needs to go back to the semver seminar |
| 16:28.33 | harl | semlar seminar? |
| 16:28.42 | nevcairiel | seriously, teach your devs something for once =p |
| 16:28.42 | Torhal | harl: Therein lies madness. |
| 16:28.51 | nevcairiel | http://semver.org/ :p |
| 16:28.56 | harl | madness is good, right? |
| 16:29.15 | harl | no? :( |
| 16:29.16 | Torhal | harl: No; Shadow Priests use insanity now AFAIK. |
| 16:29.34 | harl | so all shadow priests are insane? |
| 16:29.40 | nevcairiel | at least some of the time |
| 16:29.40 | Zeldo | Why do I need a blue pill? |
| 16:29.43 | Torhal | Not as much as Semlar. |
| 16:30.03 | Torhal | Zeldo: You're an experimentalist; you'll take both simultaneously. |
| 16:30.16 | harl | blue pill, red pill.. why bother with choices, right? |
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| 16:30.53 | harl | (for the record, i love choices) |
| 16:31.00 | Torhal | harl: I'm pretty sure that would make Zeldo transcend Semlar. |
| 16:31.12 | harl | ;) |
| 16:35.29 | Zeldo | o.O |
| 16:35.36 | Zeldo | Torhal is drunk |
| 16:38.05 | Torhal | Zeldo: I actually woke up drunk 2.5 hours ago, Zeldo. How did you know? |
| 16:38.14 | Torhal | I should actually sleep again. |
| 16:41.48 | Zeldo | Yes |
| 16:43.25 | nevcairiel | did you go to bed drunk as well, or was that much of a surprise? |
| 16:44.09 | Torhal | nevcairiel: You actually typed that question? :D |
| 16:44.54 | nevcairiel | you never know what your cats might do to you |
| 16:45.20 | Stanzilla | how long does cat pee have to rest until it produces alcohol? |
| 16:46.24 | Torhal | This is why you aren't allowed to be a legally practicing scientist, Stanzilla. |
| 16:46.48 | Stanzilla | well I knew it's not possible but I figured why not make sure and ask |
| 16:47.14 | Torhal | Because my insanity is not of that particular variety. |
| 16:47.18 | Stanzilla | maybe ammonia can get you high,too? |
| 16:47.21 | Torhal | That sounds like a Neffi thing. |
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| 16:49.11 | rb8ll | hey guys. my father in law is a huge wow fan, however he's not fluent in english and the recent skill/talent changes are very confusing for him. I figured it'd be a good idea to try and localize the skills to our language, so when he hovers over the tooltip he can see the translated version as well. I'm struggling with data though, would someone mind explaining me a couple things related to tables and pulling the records from them? |
| 16:49.32 | rb8ll | I'll have to manually translate all the skills based on their id's, but that's the easy part. |
| 16:50.38 | rb8ll | it's going to be a relatively simple mod. |
| 16:50.41 | rb8ll | 1. check spell id |
| 16:50.44 | rb8ll | 2. find spell id in tables |
| 16:50.56 | rb8ll | 3. put the 'details' from the spell ID into the tooltip |
| 16:51.05 | rb8ll | any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 16:51.11 | harl | :) |
| 16:51.35 | rb8ll | :( |
| 16:51.40 | TheDanW | what language do you need it to be in? |
| 16:51.47 | rb8ll | Polish. |
| 16:51.56 | nevcairiel | solution #1, get blizzard to hire new translators :D |
| 16:52.13 | rb8ll | I don't think blizzard would bother with polish wow translation, it's been years. |
| 16:52.31 | rb8ll | all I want to do is to translate the skills and talents so he can play comfortably again |
| 16:52.35 | nevcairiel | TheDanW works for blizzard on the UI team, jfyi :) |
| 16:52.46 | rb8ll | oh, hi |
| 16:52.49 | rb8ll | halp? |
| 16:52.50 | rb8ll | heh ;) |
| 16:53.38 | TheDanW | i'm guessing that reading russian isn't better than english in this case? |
| 16:53.54 | rb8ll | uhh.. no |
| 16:54.01 | TheDanW | ok, just checking |
| 16:54.05 | rb8ll | polish is nothing like russian |
| 16:54.09 | harl | ^^ |
| 16:54.14 | nevcairiel | its probably been a generation too much |
| 16:54.16 | Ironii | close enough. |
| 16:54.22 | nevcairiel | earlier generations might have spoken russian |
| 16:54.32 | rb8ll | yeah, they were forced to learn it in school |
| 16:54.37 | rb8ll | thanks commies |
| 16:54.43 | harl | doh |
| 16:55.01 | Ironii | like that would teach any kid a new language, just check finland and how many can speak sweden :D |
| 16:55.03 | rb8ll | I wouldn't bother with this if my father in law wasn't so dedicated to playing wow, he has every class on lvl 100 with tradeskills and everything maxed out.. it's his main hobby so I really want to help him out despite being a terrible coder |
| 16:55.04 | harl | on a side note, what would the male orcish dying sound sound like in polish? |
| 16:55.15 | rb8ll | probably the same harl |
| 16:55.21 | harl | oh |
| 16:56.26 | TheDanW | yeah, your best bet is to probably look at OnTooltipSetSpell, and append your translated text, replacing the text will be more difficult but possible |
| 16:57.21 | rb8ll | uhh.. I modified some random addon that dealt with tooltips to try and add something to a tooltip, that's pretty much how far I've gotten since todays morning |
| 16:58.13 | Ironii | wouldn't replacing it be simple as calling GameTooltip:ClearLines()? |
| 16:58.49 | rb8ll | if I have it added after the original english description it'll help him learn english a little |
| 16:59.13 | TheDanW | Ironii: sure, but spell tooltips are fairly complex, you'd have to recreate the costs, ranges, cooldowns, etc |
| 16:59.15 | rb8ll | and adding text isn't really an issue, I just don't know how to make it reach out for the text I want to have included in a certain tooltip |
| 16:59.33 | rb8ll | I think the basic description should be enough |
| 16:59.52 | Ironii | true |
| 17:03.50 | mfgmfg | idea 1) hook spell tooltips and look up name in a table you create. if it doesn't exist, save the spell name. exit/reload UI and look at the saved vars for untranslated strings. idea 2) add wowhead URL for spells to tooltip, click to copy & paste url to browser, use chrome translate to polish |
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| 17:04.36 | mfgmfg | for idea 1, just add a line to the bottom for the translated name so you don't have to deal with trying to reconstruct the tooltip |
| 17:04.49 | rb8ll | I can get the spell id's from wowhead, and manually add the translation |
| 17:05.18 | rb8ll | I kinda need help with the code though, I know people usually hate "my kind" of person that comes into programming related channels and asking for coding help |
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| 17:08.35 | TheDanW | didn't test, but something like http://hastebin.com/ozujafiwoq.lua |
| 17:08.58 | TheDanW | 217020 is the spell id for paladin's Zeal, for example |
| 17:10.30 | rb8ll | awesome, thank you TheDanW, give me a few mins to try and put it together |
| 17:12.09 | rb8ll | holy crap it's working, thank you so much TheDanW |
| 17:12.30 | rb8ll | just a thought - would having all spell translations in that file have impact on game performance? |
| 17:12.42 | Ironii | you might want to use [[ ]] instead of " " |
| 17:12.57 | Ironii | then you don't have to worry about accidently escaping the string |
| 17:13.23 | rb8ll | not sure what you mean :) |
| 17:13.43 | TheDanW | it'll use some extra memory to have all the strings, but it should be pretty minor |
| 17:14.21 | Ironii | instead of using "<translation goes here>", use [[<translation goes here>]] |
| 17:16.02 | TheDanW | yeah, thats a good idea, also self:AddLine(""); should have been self:AddLine(" "); to actually put the newline in i intended |
| 17:17.59 | mfgmfg | memory isn't a big deal, but if you translated every single spell name, it might slow down the lookup noticeably? |
| 17:18.09 | foxlit | no. |
| 17:18.16 | rb8ll | gotcha, cheers |
| 17:18.18 | rb8ll | correcting it now |
| 17:18.48 | mfgmfg | i'm not experienced with how lua would find it or how the speed would be |
| 17:18.54 | rb8ll | btw, commenting things in lua is #? |
| 17:18.59 | TheDanW | / |
| 17:19.02 | TheDanW | two |
| 17:19.02 | mfgmfg | -- |
| 17:19.06 | TheDanW | oh right |
| 17:19.10 | TheDanW | too much C :( |
| 17:19.18 | rb8ll | now i'm confused, it's -- ? |
| 17:19.18 | mfgmfg | -- comment |
| 17:19.19 | rb8ll | ;) |
| 17:19.20 | rb8ll | thanks |
| 17:19.55 | mfgmfg | # has a special meaning in the .toc file |
| 17:20.03 | mfgmfg | someone else can explain it better |
| 17:22.04 | rb8ll | TheDanW: thank you again, greatly appreciated <3 |
| 17:23.10 | Ironii | TheDanW random question, is it intented that you can force refresh nameplate unitIDs with SetCVar('UnitNameEnemyGuardianName', GetCVar('UnitNameEnemyGuardianName')) ? |
| 17:23.21 | Ironii | or any similar command |
| 17:23.38 | rb8ll | oh by the way, one more thing, what about the talents? |
| 17:23.56 | Ironii | they are spells |
| 17:24.06 | Ironii | well, the tooltips are tooltips for spells |
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| 17:24.23 | rb8ll | so it'd be SetTalent instead of SetSpell |
| 17:25.18 | Ironii | don't change anything |
| 17:25.21 | Ironii | :) |
| 17:25.52 | rb8ll | oh right, talents have spell id's as well |
| 17:28.38 | rb8ll | it works great for the spells, but doesn't work with the talents though |
| 17:29.42 | TheDanW | Ironii: sort of but not really, is there some broken because of it? |
| 17:30.00 | Ironii | not yet ;) |
| 17:31.28 | Ironii | im just planning to use it if its intended, just wanted to confirm it since other cvars that i tried didn't work like that and i don't want to change the method after im done with it |
| 17:36.25 | TheDanW | if it suddenly stopped working in combat i wouldn't be surprised |
| 17:38.01 | Ironii | don't do that :(, then the user would have to manually hide and show the nameplates |
| 17:39.20 | TheDanW | Ironii: what are you attempting to do? why would you need to rebuild the nameplates? |
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| 17:41.09 | Ironii | i have an addon that mirrors nameplates into static unitframes, and i would like to add an option to show only X amounts of units, but before i do that i need a way to force refresh the unitIDs so user can easily "fill" the grid after its missing a few |
| 17:42.11 | Ironii | as you must know, showing only nameplate1-10 would be problematic without the ability to refresh the unitIDs |
| 17:42.27 | Ironii | but at the same time, showing every nameplate takes alot of space |
| 17:44.11 | Primer | Sounds like SemlarPlates! |
| 17:44.48 | Ironii | nah, iTargetingFrames |
| 17:45.11 | Ironii | like semlar would ever publish anything :D |
| 17:49.34 | foxlit | so why aren't you remapping unitids internally instead of externally? |
| 17:50.31 | Ironii | i can't do that in combat? |
| 17:50.56 | foxlit | [@nameplateX,exists] works, yeah? |
| 17:51.11 | TheDanW | Ironii: that's not really intended, and it's going to have strange side effects, i definitely wouldn't recommend relying on it |
| 17:52.47 | Ironii | but using that in nameplate1 doesn't allow me to control position of nameplate10? |
| 17:55.23 | foxlit | register the ~50 state drivers instead, get your own RE code to run when nameplate units fade in/out of existance, and change the unit attribute on your frames to reflect whichever 10 are active at the moment. |
| 17:55.47 | nevcairiel | should be possible to do dynamic positioning, just a bit annoying |
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| 17:58.03 | Fisker | Hi Seerah |
| 17:58.10 | Seerah | hi, Fisker |
| 17:58.16 | foxlit | (nothing even has to move -- it's just the the "first box in my nameplate grid" is divorced from the nameplate1 unit. |
| 17:58.37 | nevcairiel | i guess you could also shuffle unit ids around instead of moving frames |
| 17:58.40 | nevcairiel | both options possible |
| 17:59.01 | Ironii | in my case it would require moving frames |
| 17:59.20 | Ironii | i have to give it a try, thanks foxlit |
| 18:00.16 | Ironii | well ok, not require to move frames, but the frames have so much going on that it would be alot easier to just move them |
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| 18:00.58 | nevcairiel | well you need a function to fully re-render all their information anyway |
| 18:01.07 | nevcairiel | because units can change all the time |
| 18:01.32 | Ironii | currently i only discard old information if the guid changes |
| 18:02.34 | Ironii | mhh, i wonder if its possible to only show hostile units while im chaning things |
| 18:02.39 | Ironii | changing* |
| 18:03.03 | Ironii | maybe some kind of smart show stuff related to your cvars |
| 18:19.05 | rb8ll | btw. is it required to specify text coding (utf-8 etc) in wow mods? |
| 18:19.22 | rb8ll | just noticed that some letters from polish alphabet are not displaying correctly |
| 18:19.36 | nevcairiel | you should use utf-8 at all times |
| 18:19.48 | rb8ll | when/how to declare it? |
| 18:20.14 | Primer | Just make the file be uft-8? |
| 18:20.35 | Primer | Start by using a better file editor |
| 18:20.46 | rb8ll | I'm using notepad++, I guess I can change it there |
| 18:20.52 | Primer | indeed |
| 18:21.12 | mfgmfg | World of Warcraft supports UTF-8 encoded strings of unicode characters; in UTF-8 encoding, ASCII characters can be represented using 1 byte, while most unicode characters typically require multi-byte sequences. You can simply use a UTF-8 enabled text editor, and save unicode-containing .lua files using UTF-8 encoding. |
| 18:21.59 | rb8ll | yup just did that, didn't help though. |
| 18:22.14 | rb8ll | unless I have to restart the game and reloading the ui is not enough |
| 18:22.34 | nevcairiel | maybe your font doesnt have the characters you want |
| 18:22.59 | rb8ll | it's the default one, i'll try it in chat |
| 18:23.13 | rb8ll | also, is there something like \n in lua, so I can force the text to start in next line? |
| 18:24.05 | rb8ll | http://imgur.com/ZnHrH8B looks like polish chars are a no no ;) |
| 18:24.06 | Primer | Yes. It's \n |
| 18:24.09 | rb8ll | thanks |
| 18:24.30 | Primer | Can you paste said characters here? |
| 18:24.37 | nevcairiel | its shown properly in the chatbox, so thats a good sign |
| 18:24.43 | nevcairiel | maybe only one font doesnt do it |
| 18:24.53 | foxlit | (although |n might be a better idea) |
| 18:28.03 | rb8ll | about the \n, I guess there's no way of making the text shrink automatically if the sentence is very long, I have to add \n's manually? |
| 18:28.11 | rb8ll | (in places I'd need it to go to next line) |
| 18:29.20 | nevcairiel | tooltips are a bit annoying like that |
| 18:29.25 | rb8ll | and one last (promise!) question, is there a list of fonts available? perhaps the default one is wrong and that's why the special chars are not displaying properly |
| 18:33.15 | g0urra | I submitted this image to wowhead as a screenshot for Fortified Bark.. it didn't get approved :( http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/630/Petanarchy4.jpg |
| 18:34.50 | rb8ll | lol |
| 18:39.49 | Ironii | rb8ll \n won't work while you use [[]], just format the text like you want in the table |
| 18:40.04 | rb8ll | yup yup |
| 18:40.05 | Ironii | eg new line when you want a new line |
| 18:40.11 | rb8ll | Przez 6 sekund zostaÅ burzÄ
o niszczÄ
cej sile, która jest nie do powstrzymania. Podczas <Bladestorm> jesteÅ niewrażliwy na spowolnienia i efekty utrate kontroli, ale nie możesz użyÄ umiejÄtnoÅci obrrony ani unikÄ
Ä ataków. |
| 18:40.17 | rb8ll | oh wait |
| 18:40.23 | rb8ll | [46924] = "Przez 6 sekund zostan burza o niszczacej sile, ktora jest nie do powstrzymania.|nPodczas Bladestorm jestes niewrazliwy na spowolnienia i efekty utraty kontroli,|Nale nie mozesz uzyc umiejetnosci obrony ani unikac atakow.", -- Bladestorm |
| 18:40.31 | rb8ll | I have something like this |
| 18:40.52 | rb8ll | works for now; ) |
| 18:41.15 | Ironii | keep in mind if you use "" you can't use " in the string without escaping it |
| 18:41.21 | rb8ll | yup yup |
| 18:42.04 | mfgmfg | g0urra, all hail dogfort |
| 18:43.51 | mfgmfg | rb8ll, do go ahead and see if the polish chars will show up in the tooltip even if they don't show up correctly in the chat bubble |
| 18:44.05 | rb8ll | they dont |
| 18:44.17 | rb8ll | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216257767596490753/216263562429988865/69d7d53e-8cd5-4816-b909-e6d9e9f1f117-2122517325.jpg |
| 18:44.24 | mfgmfg | wonder how hard it is to try a different font in the tooltip |
| 18:45.35 | rb8ll | it's okay, it's a minor issue |
| 18:45.49 | znf | can I ask... but why? |
| 18:45.55 | rb8ll | but why what? |
| 18:46.06 | znf | are you translating the game to polish...?! |
| 18:46.14 | rb8ll | skills, talents |
| 18:46.20 | rb8ll | mainly for my father in law but I'll make this public |
| 18:46.45 | g0urra | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgZdlGZ2_TQ |
| 18:46.50 | znf | https://media.giphy.com/media/1M9fmo1WAFVK0/giphy.gif |
| 18:47.08 | rb8ll | because he's a huge fan of the game and doesn't speak english |
| 18:47.22 | rb8ll | and instead of writing translations on screenshots it's easier this way |
| 18:47.23 | mfgmfg | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19315-QuestTranslator70000.02-4257-PL.html seems to have polish font TTF files |
| 18:47.25 | rb8ll | and more convenient |
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| 18:47.54 | znf | ok |
| 18:48.47 | Ironii | be honest, are you doing it for your father in law or are you trying to keep your wife happy ;) |
| 18:49.18 | rb8ll | my wife is happy enough :) |
| 18:49.20 | Primer | It's an investment in future bjs |
| 18:49.32 | Primer | Very commendable |
| 18:49.42 | rb8ll | I just know it'll help him a lot, especially when he's playing the game as his main hobby |
| 18:49.50 | rb8ll | maxing out everything like a chinese farmer that doesn't speak english |
| 18:50.00 | rb8ll | I wonder how many times he got reported becuase people thought he's a bot |
| 18:50.01 | Ironii | hehe |
| 18:55.01 | Primer | Is anyone here planning to work a profession early on in Legion to try to make a fuckton of gold? If so, what are you doing? JC is looking good. |
| 18:55.41 | Primer | From what I'm reading, crafted necks and rings should be in high demand |
| 19:03.20 | Primer | crickets... |
| 19:03.38 | Thunder_Child | I plan to do all of them. |
| 19:03.50 | Primer | There are only so many hours in the day though |
| 19:03.59 | Thunder_Child | I'm not in a rush. |
| 19:04.17 | Thunder_Child | Besides, leveling comes first. |
| 19:04.19 | Primer | I've made a ton of gold with inscription in the last 3 expansions. Making the Darkmoon trinkets. |
| 19:04.57 | Primer | I actually leveled very slowly but spent tons of time herbing and making cards |
| 19:05.20 | Primer | It's how I've been able to pay for game time using nothing but gold since it came out |
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| 19:36.59 | Primer | Star Citizen gamescon stream is much fail |
| 19:37.01 | Primer | still no sound |
| 19:39.29 | Infus | TheDanW: random question, does wow replace invalid characters in strings with http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0fffd/index.htm ? |
| 19:40.01 | zenzelezz | Primer: Star Citizen is turning into a semi-DNF |
| 19:40.28 | Primer | Well, their plan is rather grandiose |
| 19:41.00 | Primer | They finally got the sound working |
| 19:45.50 | TheDanW | Infus: not sure off the top of my head |
| 19:48.20 | Infus | hmm, some code wa is using is treating a strings as a bytearray |
| 19:48.42 | Infus | and somehow after a few wraps around the solar system, i get a FF byte back |
| 19:50.03 | TheDanW | if its just staying in a lua string and going through lua functions there shouldn't be any replacements afaik |
| 19:51.44 | Infus | okay, thanks |
| 19:55.01 | xmyno | nice, i just flew off the train in grimrails when i used heroic leap ._. |
| 19:57.57 | Primer | zenzelezz: unlike DNF though, SC has playable previews |
| 19:58.05 | Primer | I just hope the MMO aspect of it pans out |
| 19:58.22 | Primer | I want to see true exploration |
| 19:58.37 | Primer | Not like what No Man's Sky did |
| 20:03.53 | Primer | He's saying everything I want to hear |
| 20:04.43 | Primer | This is the kind of transparency No Man's Sky didn't have, and after having seen the product, doesn't surprise me why they didn't do any previews |
| 20:08.02 | bshelden | As long as SC keeps dropping code once in awhile, there's no way to call it DNF. It's not vapour when you can play parts of it, and more parts keep coming. |
| 20:08.08 | Primer | Granted, SC is currently mostly vaporware, but the fact that they're releasing previews and having updates showcasing the game makes me hopeful |
| 20:08.37 | bshelden | If the drops stop coming, then, well, I'll be sad. I knew what I was getting into backing a game. |
| 20:09.11 | Primer | The people making the game seem passionate about it though |
| 20:10.41 | zenzelezz | bshelden: that's why I said semi |
| 20:11.13 | zenzelezz | SC's problem (as I see it) has been focusing on so many additional goals whenever they got more money |
| 20:11.16 | bshelden | There's the other part too. We knew about it /far/ sooner than games are usually announced. I'd personally argue that just now is when the first teasers would come. |
| 20:11.34 | Primer | zenzelezz: they really can't release anything that's not finished though |
| 20:11.47 | zenzelezz | Primer: not arguing that |
| 20:11.59 | zenzelezz | I'm saying they could have put some features off entirely until post-release |
| 20:12.21 | Primer | IMO, that's what caused SW:TOR to fail |
| 20:12.37 | bshelden | IStill sad about wow-with-glowsticks |
| 20:12.40 | Primer | The fact that they released with no endgame, and without the features people wanted |
| 20:12.40 | bshelden | I'm still* |
| 20:13.45 | Primer | The real space physics aspect of SC is another awesome detail. I've always liked games that are ultra-realistic |
| 20:14.00 | Primer | Like, going through the motions of sitting in the pilot's seat |
| 20:14.19 | Primer | You guys are watching this stream, right? |
| 20:14.22 | bshelden | Yep |
| 20:14.30 | bshelden | I'm trying not to hype. |
| 20:14.34 | Primer | I'm _really_ impressed |
| 20:14.37 | bshelden | Cause this is a thing that makes me want to hype... |
| 20:14.38 | zenzelezz | which stream? |
| 20:14.43 | bshelden | https://www.twitch.tv/starcitizen |
| 20:15.45 | Primer | It really looks like they're focussing on all the tech parts first, which makes sense. |
| 20:16.01 | bshelden | The quantum travel still makes me... happy... |
| 20:16.10 | bshelden | Eagerly awaiting the jumps. |
| 20:16.33 | Primer | The tech looks great too |
| 20:17.10 | bshelden | Ok, might be hyping just a little... |
| 20:17.24 | Primer | It's hard not to |
| 20:17.46 | Primer | If he lands this ship on the planet...OMG, I'm gonna freak out |
| 20:17.53 | bshelden | ... |
| 20:18.22 | bshelden | He appears to be landing... |
| 20:18.46 | zenzelezz | I think we should all forget about this nonsense game and trust in Deker Smart's next space game instad |
| 20:18.48 | zenzelezz | *instead |
| 20:18.54 | bshelden | stabs zenzelezz |
| 20:19.00 | zenzelezz | I can't even spell his name |
| 20:19.04 | zenzelezz | impressive |
| 20:20.05 | Primer | wow |
| 20:20.17 | bshelden | Ok, that's not hype, that's simply impressive |
| 20:20.22 | Primer | yeah |
| 20:20.45 | zenzelezz | you guys need some tissues? :-o |
| 20:20.56 | bshelden | A shower, I think |
| 20:21.00 | Primer | yeah, I do |
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| 20:24.45 | Thunder_Child | Iriel will be the happiest out of all of us about how good it is. I am fairly sure he has thrown the most amount of money at it. |
| 20:25.34 | bshelden | I remain optimistic. About it coming. For the when part I remain pretty damn pessimistic >.> |
| 20:27.29 | bshelden | Ok, that was new. If we can take that kind of thing for granted... |
| 20:28.15 | VIad | microsoft makes a new game and people are hyped for it? |
| 20:28.37 | rb8ll | guys, has anyone uploaded a mod to mods.curse.com ? |
| 20:28.41 | bshelden | I'm sticking with hopeful optimism rather than hype per se. |
| 20:28.42 | VIad | quickly looked at the stream, looks really nice |
| 20:28.52 | rb8ll | how do I make my mod appear in the search |
| 20:28.55 | bshelden | The game I want remains years out, so no sense hyping yet. |
| 20:29.00 | rb8ll | it's only visible in the "forge" |
| 20:29.45 | VIad | even linux support, thats neat |
| 20:30.08 | bshelden | I recall that being on the 'eventually' pile. |
| 20:30.08 | zenzelezz | native or "we walk in Wine"? |
| 20:30.14 | VIad | wiki said linux |
| 20:30.18 | bshelden | Native is planned, but lower priority |
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| 20:30.31 | VIad | it's still cool :) |
| 20:30.39 | bshelden | Agreed |
| 20:30.42 | VIad | made in cryengine |
| 20:30.47 | VIad | so no more microsoft engine |
| 20:30.58 | bshelden | I think 'made from' cryegine is closer. |
| 20:30.59 | VIad | no need to reinvent the wheel |
| 20:34.23 | Primer | Interacting with that NPC...sitting down, talking to him...very neat |
| 20:34.58 | bshelden | I do get a strong impression that the pace of the game will be quite a bit slower than I'm used to. |
| 20:35.09 | bshelden | This is nothing like find the !, click accept, whomp heads, collect money. |
| 20:35.33 | Primer | naw, I really like this aspect of it |
| 20:35.44 | Primer | in SW:TOR, I was always the guy in the party watching the cut scenes |
| 20:35.56 | Primer | I could never understand why people would just tab through those |
| 20:36.19 | bshelden | I watch the first time, but after that I tend to just want to get on with it. |
| 20:36.23 | bshelden | SC is going to require patience on my part. |
| 20:39.22 | Primer | Unless those planets are extremely dense, there's no way the gravity would be on-par with Earth's |
| 20:39.28 | Primer | I guess they could spin it like that |
| 20:40.07 | bshelden | Yeah that's one of the suspension of disbelief parts. They have huge planets in gameplay terms, but nowhere near real universe scale |
| 20:45.20 | Primer | The spaces physics are amazing |
| 20:45.58 | bshelden | Yay, Chronicle Vol I just arrived |
| 21:01.40 | Primer | yeah, SC's got a ways to go, but it looks really good |
| 21:14.40 | kd3 | ok, wtf. I'm on the line with our security camera vendor trying to gain access to it and they're sending me a file over dropbox |
| 21:14.41 | kd3 | wtf |
| 21:16.51 | Noshei | sounds legit |
| 21:17.51 | Thunder_Child | It's the password in an encrypted file and they will send password for the encryption via email. |
| 21:18.55 | kd3 | nope. it's an app that is supposed to let us access the camera over the network |
| 21:18.59 | kd3 | and it's not even signed |
| 21:19.37 | foxlit | hi its me your security camera vendor |
| 21:20.22 | Thunder_Child | Just make sure to run camera.exe not thisisnotavirus.exe, confusingly they are in the same folder. |
| 21:20.31 | harl | did some fot them item IDs change with the legion patches? |
| 21:20.37 | harl | fot=of |
| 21:22.20 | harl | ah, i see what they did there.. never mind then.. |
| 22:01.53 | Semlar | you can't use the scroll wheel to change pages in the pet tab of the spell book :| |
| 22:25.10 | zenzelezz | can you in the other tabs? |
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