| 00:11.06 | karl_w_w | https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4xwehb/last_nov_a_fan_posted_on_tieba_chinas_rdota2/ |
| 00:25.17 | Mr_Rabies | clearly that's just a clone of lor'themar theron, Stanzilla |
| 00:25.37 | Mr_Rabies | using his name and glory to achieve power |
| 00:25.54 | Mr_Rabies | who got an eyepatch for a different reason altogether on a different eye |
| 00:26.08 | Mr_Rabies | also he was president of the united states and trained child soldiers in liberia |
| 00:30.48 | Mr_Rabies | >To Lor'themar's disbelief, the dead were reanimated, and butchered many of his rangers. Lor'themar deduced that decapitation would fell the risen elves, and dealt with several in such a manner, though his wounds and fatigue slowed him down. After a struggle, Lor'themar was brutalized by several undead guardians, one of whom raked his face and damaged his left eye. |
| 00:31.01 | Mr_Rabies | so, to be fair, after is actually correct |
| 00:31.03 | Mr_Rabies | @_@ |
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| 00:56.10 | Munk | Is it possible to get the spell that's on the cursor? SpellIsTargeting() obviously says whether there's a spell waiting to be cast, but not which spell it is. |
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| 02:02.35 | znf | ...can you get more than A+ on SSL Labs' test thingie? |
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| 02:49.08 | Semlar | you could probably hook what spell was cast before the cursor was changed |
| 02:49.31 | Semlar | munk |
| 02:50.13 | Semlar | actually i'm not sure whether that would cause an event or not |
| 02:51.21 | Semlar | i hook something to put a sparkly animation on the action button that the spell is on but i don't know if that gets called when the spell hasn't actually gone through |
| 02:52.38 | Semlar | oh, i hook UseAction |
| 02:56.52 | Torhal | Semlar is a professional hooker. |
| 02:57.43 | Semlar | just an amateur |
| 02:58.00 | Semlar | it's more of a hobby, really |
| 02:58.03 | znf | Semlar has a desire to break things that is larger than mine |
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| 03:01.20 | Thordurin | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:01.33 | Cairenn | hugs Thordurin |
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| 04:41.06 | Munk | Thanks Semlar. Did the trick. |
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| 05:39.49 | fewyn | hi |
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| 05:48.14 | mckenziemc | bye |
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| 05:55.27 | Torhal | dumps mckenziemc into a vat of black licorice jellybeans. |
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| 05:57.15 | d[karl]b | well I cried with laughter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afB7cMnhiRI |
| 06:01.50 | kd3 | neat. somewhat terrifying, but neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEH0RIRMVmk |
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| 07:21.08 | Semlar | i've seen enough storage wars to know all you need is an angle grinder |
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| 07:31.54 | nebula | i don't think that would work too well against that lock |
| 07:32.41 | Semlar | it has to be locked to something |
| 07:33.21 | VIad | storage wars? lol |
| 07:33.44 | nebula | i suppose just cutting around it would work, lol |
| 07:33.53 | Semlar | >_> |
| 07:33.58 | VIad | trick is to automate with as many robots as you can |
| 07:35.03 | nebula | i'm not sure you'd buy a 870$ lock then put it on a sheet metal clasp, though |
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| 07:46.43 | VIad | what legion content is added this week? |
| 07:48.21 | Phixion | morning |
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| 08:01.29 | VIad | it seems that a lot of chat addons are doing gsub actions on the text added to the chat frame via AddMessage, expecting default UI strings and nothing more, breaking more complicated, addon generated, content :p |
| 08:02.49 | VIad | patterns arent the easiest things to work with |
| 08:03.14 | Torhal | ("VIad"):gsub("I", l"):gsub("ad", "adinator"):upper() |
| 08:03.16 | Torhal | >.> |
| 08:03.21 | VIad | <_> |
| 08:03.50 | VIad | % ("VIad"):gsub("I", "l"):gsub("ad", "adinator"):upper() |
| 08:03.50 | yalb | VIad: "VLADINATOR" |
| 08:04.04 | nebula | you fixed it |
| 08:04.05 | VIad | had to add a quote in there, but it's cool |
| 08:04.10 | Torhal | I tried! |
| 08:04.53 | VIad | gsub(text, '%[(%d0?)%. (.-)%]', '(%1)') |
| 08:06.31 | VIad | I wonder what purpose that has |
| 08:07.24 | VIad | it overrides AddMessage with its own function that pattern matches and runs that replacement as well |
| 08:08.46 | nebula | it replaces ie [2. Trade] with Trade |
| 08:09.03 | nebula | or just 2, i guess, since it only uses the first capture |
| 08:09.12 | VIad | yes |
| 08:09.26 | VIad | so if someone happens to also write something in that format, it would replace that too ^^ |
| 08:10.41 | Semlar | it probably shouldn't be applying that to the entire line in the chat |
| 08:10.54 | nebula | iirc, typically they usually look for line ids so they know system messages from custom |
| 08:11.42 | nebula | typically usually maybe possibly |
| 08:14.11 | VIad | you are limited greatly if you replace AddMessage and only have the strings to work with |
| 08:14.18 | VIad | or does one pass lineid into AddMessage? |
| 08:14.36 | nebula | last arg after the colors, i think |
| 08:15.33 | nebula | second to last, close |
| 08:16.34 | Semlar | well, it is the argument after the colors |
| 08:18.59 | VIad | could be that there are tons of these xChat addons out there, same like the xNameplate we had a surge of |
| 08:19.09 | VIad | copy paste addons of a template that might be faulty to begin with |
| 08:21.27 | Semlar | like gnomesequencer enhanced? |
| 08:22.15 | Semlar | so why is it that when someone embeds your library in their addon, you get downloads for that, but when they embed your entire addon in their addon you get nothing |
| 08:24.03 | VIad | you need to define in the manifest what libraries your project uses right? |
| 08:24.07 | VIad | I try my best to do that |
| 08:24.59 | nevcairiel | Semlar: on curse they can add a flag to that effect and share credit, but they need to do that |
| 08:25.17 | Semlar | oh yeah? |
| 08:25.26 | nebula | tools-used or something |
| 08:25.57 | nebula | https://www.wowace.com/addons/libdatabroker-1-1/ |
| 08:27.23 | VIad | yeah |
| 08:27.37 | VIad | I use both that, and you can define it in the project options |
| 08:27.41 | VIad | dependencies and such |
| 08:28.29 | Semlar | i see |
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| 08:33.37 | VIad | I feel like a jerk, often trying to avoid other libraries :( |
| 08:33.50 | VIad | like, I can use ace3 for gui options or make my own |
| 08:34.00 | VIad | depending how complicated it has to be, often I make my own |
| 08:34.40 | nevcairiel | i prefer to get stuff done instead of obsessing about shit =p |
| 08:34.54 | nebula | indeed |
| 08:35.14 | VIad | but its fun to code |
| 08:36.06 | nebula | rewriting things is for hipsters |
| 08:36.08 | nebula | and Torhal |
| 08:36.15 | Phixion | :o |
| 08:37.17 | Torhal | Not this time, nebula! I completely threw away _NPCScan's code. And its leading underscore! NPCScan is no rewrite. |
| 08:37.28 | nebula | >.> |
| 08:37.33 | nevcairiel | its not a rewrite but a new addon? |
| 08:37.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 08:38.07 | VIad | Torhal: what makes NPCScan different than SilverDragon? |
| 08:38.13 | nevcairiel | the name. |
| 08:38.14 | VIad | marketing pitch :p |
| 08:38.24 | nebula | it used to be completely different, but i imagine they're pretty similar now |
| 08:38.25 | Torhal | It's not SilverDragon |
| 08:38.51 | nevcairiel | scanning for rares (or any npc) has becomes pretty simple in recent years anyway |
| 08:38.51 | Torhal | Eh, not really. |
| 08:38.56 | nevcairiel | do the cache scans even still work? |
| 08:39.01 | nebula | i don't think so |
| 08:39.11 | Torhal | Cache stopped existing for WoD. |
| 08:39.30 | nevcairiel | so its just vignettes, nameplates and straight forward things like that |
| 08:39.36 | VIad | CLEU? |
| 08:39.40 | Torhal | Mouseover, yeah |
| 08:39.42 | Torhal | Fuck no. |
| 08:39.45 | Torhal | Are you insane? |
| 08:39.48 | VIad | yes |
| 08:39.51 | Torhal | k |
| 08:39.53 | nevcairiel | could listen to CLEU and see if its fighting close to you |
| 08:39.56 | nevcairiel | but its probably overkill |
| 08:40.15 | VIad | could have a dynamic CLEU system where it only did that nearby rare nodes |
| 08:40.16 | Torhal | If it's fighting, it's almost a sure bet it's already too late in most cases. |
| 08:40.25 | VIad | shared tags these days are nice |
| 08:40.27 | nevcairiel | most people use it for rares anyway and those have vignettes |
| 08:40.38 | nebula | maybe it ran over to a critter and killed it |
| 08:40.43 | VIad | can't the vignette be outside of your range, but CLEU picks it up? |
| 08:40.54 | nebula | vignette range is actually pretty large |
| 08:41.03 | nevcairiel | and CLEU range in the otuer world is somewhat limited |
| 08:41.31 | nevcairiel | well, probably similar to the vignette range as thats when the mob spawns for you =p |
| 08:41.58 | VIad | only situation vignettes fail is if the game doesn't show it, and you are a hunter that wish to tame it :p |
| 08:42.11 | nebula | silverdragon syncs, too, which was normally just rude |
| 08:42.12 | Torhal | There are no old-world vignettes. |
| 08:42.27 | VIad | didnt they make all "rare" show a star? |
| 08:42.34 | VIad | if not, why not? :p |
| 08:42.57 | VIad | would be nice for newbies to get used to what stars mean |
| 08:42.58 | nevcairiel | they didnt show vignettes in wod, dont think that changed |
| 08:43.21 | nebula | eh? they started it in mop |
| 08:43.21 | nevcairiel | only pandaria+ mobs i think |
| 08:43.42 | Torhal | Yes, no old-world rares have vignettes. |
| 08:43.53 | Torhal | They usually don't retrofit old stuff with new tech for whatever reason. |
| 08:44.08 | nevcairiel | well older rares are not that exciting anyway |
| 08:44.13 | Torhal | True |
| 08:44.17 | nebula | atleast they did the question item auto start thing |
| 08:44.18 | VIad | can argue that newer once arent either >_> |
| 08:44.18 | nevcairiel | mainly only for hunters |
| 08:44.23 | nebula | quest item* |
| 08:44.26 | nevcairiel | they dont even drop shit |
| 08:44.44 | nebula | they were just exciting to run into! |
| 08:44.51 | VIad | do they even give the huge xp boost when killed anyway? |
| 08:44.54 | nebula | oooooh, that mob is so colorful |
| 08:44.55 | nevcairiel | back in the day they just killed you |
| 08:44.56 | VIad | I remember killing them for that purpose |
| 08:44.58 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 08:51.05 | Ssateneth | Not sure if this was a dream or not |
| 08:51.31 | Ssateneth | But did someone here link some sort of addon that showed a bunch of portals in outland that allowed you to jump back and forth between outland and draenor? |
| 08:52.06 | VIad | yes |
| 08:52.21 | nebula | i thought there was one in gorgrond that links to nagrand, not sure about others |
| 08:52.32 | VIad | I wouldn't expect my addon to come haunt you in a dream :p |
| 08:52.36 | nevcairiel | it was the guy who has no L on his keyboard |
| 08:52.58 | VIad | I have a I! |
| 08:53.13 | VIad | I just try not waste it from overuse |
| 08:53.36 | Ssateneth | When were these portal implemented ingame? |
| 08:53.39 | Ssateneth | frist i've haerd of them |
| 08:53.53 | nevcairiel | whichever patch added outland timewalking |
| 08:54.02 | nevcairiel | because thats where the toy is from to access them |
| 08:54.09 | Ssateneth | oh its a toy |
| 08:54.33 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/item=129929/ever-shifting-mirror |
| 08:54.54 | VIad | it's a toy yes |
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| 08:55.51 | Torhal | Anyway, nevcairiel, yes; new AddOn. |
| 08:56.34 | VIad | Ssateneth: https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/ever-shifting-mirror |
| 08:56.55 | VIad | as you can see its popularity is exploding |
| 08:57.32 | nebula | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/handynotes-ever-shifting-mirror |
| 08:58.00 | nebula | you were too late |
| 08:58.11 | VIad | but are these notes dynamic and appear when you use the toy? |
| 08:58.18 | VIad | and can you click them to see where they lead to? :p |
| 08:58.35 | nevcairiel | but then how would you know where to go beforehand? |
| 08:58.42 | VIad | you can use the toy, gives buff |
| 08:58.50 | VIad | and the map is populated with the portal locations |
| 08:59.02 | VIad | ingame it shows a trail to the nearest one |
| 08:59.44 | VIad | I just opie use it, check map, head out, then use again to be able to click it |
| 08:59.56 | nebula | lol, you used invasion portal, who wants to teleport into demons! |
| 08:59.59 | VIad | :D |
| 09:00.20 | VIad | now with tbc and wod invasions! |
| 09:00.28 | VIad | only this time, you are the demon ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
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| 12:54.24 | Tomaz^W | This might be a weird question, and totaly not UI related, but I figured someone here might know |
| 12:55.20 | Tomaz^W | This issue happens on 2 differrent computers, any sound effects, most noticeably wing flapping o na flying mount, lowers the volume of the music, as it plays, making it sound like a 3 year old got control of the music volume know making it go up/down every second |
| 12:55.26 | Tomaz^W | Is this a known issue? |
| 13:08.01 | Gnarfoz | try turning off any and all of the various sound options, like reverb, dk voices, etc? |
| 13:08.09 | Gnarfoz | (and or fiddle with number of sound buffers) |
| 13:08.22 | Gnarfoz | just guessing here |
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| 13:53.58 | Tomaz^W | Gnarfoz: tried all combinations I could think of, nothing seemed to help :/ |
| 14:03.56 | karl_w_w | Tomaz^W, is loudness equalization turned on in windows? |
| 14:04.04 | Tomaz^W | hmm, good question |
| 14:05.05 | Tomaz^W | No such option available in the sound panel |
| 14:06.22 | karl_w_w | really? right click volume control > playback devices > double click yours > enhancements > loudness equalization? |
| 14:06.32 | Tomaz^W | nope, no such option |
| 14:06.44 | karl_w_w | or maybe in your drivers? |
| 14:06.52 | Tomaz^W | YEah, nothing there either |
| 14:06.55 | nebula | it's like a default thing in windows now, though, http://i.imgur.com/bJhLMNj.jpg |
| 14:07.08 | Tomaz^W | Yeah I know what it is, but I don't got that option |
| 14:07.11 | Shockah|Work | sometimes you don't get this tab at all though |
| 14:07.16 | Tomaz^W | Yeah |
| 14:07.27 | Tomaz^W | Don't have it |
| 14:07.40 | Tomaz^W | This is some weird builtin SmartAudio, never heard of ( work computer ) |
| 14:07.58 | Tomaz^W | Conexant HD Audio |
| 14:09.12 | VIad | can legion weapons be warforged? |
| 14:09.18 | VIad | from invasions |
| 14:09.21 | VIad | (read the hotfix)= |
| 14:09.23 | Stanzilla | no |
| 14:09.38 | tem | the warforged there doesn't appear to be a static ilvl either |
| 14:09.43 | tem | I got some 710 and some 720 |
| 14:09.48 | tem | no weapons yet, though |
| 14:10.01 | VIad | jesus |
| 14:10.12 | VIad | if weapons are not affected, then I am glad :p |
| 14:10.18 | VIad | I spent 12 upgrades on my weapons |
| 14:10.25 | Tomaz^W | 12? |
| 14:10.29 | VIad | dualwield |
| 14:10.32 | Tomaz^W | so 10 |
| 14:10.34 | tem | 10 |
| 14:10.38 | VIad | 10* right |
| 14:11.02 | tem | it really doesn't matter, though |
| 14:11.18 | tem | those weapons are 100% replaced in 2 weeks |
| 14:11.23 | Tomaz^W | Probably |
| 14:11.27 | tem | not probably |
| 14:11.41 | tem | the artifact weapons are the only weapon you'll use in legion |
| 14:11.47 | tem | and you get it bascially immediately |
| 14:11.54 | Tomaz^W | ok |
| 14:12.05 | Tomaz^W | so Farming shards is pointless then :P |
| 14:12.18 | Thunder_Child | Ish |
| 14:12.21 | nebula | not for my alt that's going be sitting in her garrison FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE |
| 14:12.21 | tem | weeeeel, I don't know that |
| 14:12.23 | nevcairiel | unless you want to play until then |
| 14:12.28 | Tomaz^W | Other than hoping for that damn tmog helm, which I can buy with all the shards I got anyway |
| 14:12.34 | Thunder_Child | Transmog and pet |
| 14:12.36 | tem | there might be additional things to buy with shards |
| 14:12.37 | Thunder_Child | about it. |
| 14:12.52 | Tomaz^W | Yeah |
| 14:12.56 | tem | I haven't looked ahead on what happens this week and next when the event progresses |
| 14:13.03 | Tomaz^W | Got enough shards for all that, but was saving for weapon upgrades |
| 14:13.28 | nevcairiel | i got two glaives on 6/6 on my DH already |
| 14:14.36 | VIad | do you guys also afk in the zone waiting for the chests? |
| 14:15.38 | Tomaz^W | Chests? |
| 14:15.43 | Tomaz^W | What have I missed now? |
| 14:16.10 | nevcairiel | i need the chests even less then the hards =p |
| 14:16.12 | nevcairiel | shareds |
| 14:16.31 | nevcairiel | its fun for leveling lowbie chars |
| 14:16.36 | Tomaz^W | What chests? |
| 14:16.40 | nevcairiel | started with a level 14 earlier, 3 invasions later, 27 |
| 14:17.39 | VIad | twitter feature still broken |
| 14:17.44 | VIad | I guiess it wont be fixed until 7.1 or 8.0? |
| 14:18.23 | Stanzilla | facebook is the new partner, it will stay broken as long as fb wants it to :D |
| 14:21.01 | VIad | xD |
| 14:21.09 | VIad | I tried it so much |
| 14:21.15 | VIad | twitter blocked my account for automated behavior xD |
| 14:21.58 | VIad | could addons break it? |
| 14:22.03 | VIad | the window that opens is black |
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| 14:29.32 | Thunder_Child | Tomaz^W: You get chests during the invasion's if you are...well I thought it was fighting, but VIad makes it sound like you can idle and get them. |
| 14:29.58 | Stanzilla | you cna |
| 14:30.12 | Stanzilla | you get 2 chests from 100% idle |
| 14:30.24 | Thunder_Child | The big ones, or the small ones? |
| 14:30.27 | VIad | you can Thunder_Child |
| 14:30.29 | nebula | one of each |
| 14:30.37 | VIad | you get 2 chests even if you afk :p |
| 14:30.48 | Thunder_Child | Boo @ Blizz for that crap. |
| 14:31.02 | VIad | you only need to tag some specific elites for bonus shards |
| 14:31.13 | VIad | because not every mob gives shards, its pointless to fight in stage 1 for example :p |
| 14:31.34 | VIad | stage 1: the commanders give shards |
| 14:31.36 | VIad | the boss doesn't |
| 14:31.47 | VIad | stage 1 rewards chest when its done (green) regardless what you do |
| 14:33.16 | VIad | stage 2 only worth for the commanders, but you need to tag them |
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| 14:34.21 | VIad | when farming shards I usually tag 2 commanders in stage 1, then tag commanders in stage 2, and can afk stage 3 since its just boss :p |
| 14:34.32 | VIad | you get chests upon stage 1/3 completion as long you are in the zone |
| 14:34.59 | VIad | ^ strat is exceptionally important when you are alone and there are hundred of people from the other faction ganking |
| 14:35.29 | Thunder_Child | Not an issue on a pve server. |
| 14:36.03 | Ressy | Sometimes it is.. |
| 14:36.07 | Ressy | other side flags. |
| 14:36.18 | Ressy | Somehow I manage to get flagged occasionally.. Dunno how that happens. |
| 14:36.30 | Thunder_Child | aoe tag a flagged person? |
| 14:36.55 | Ressy | Naw.. Theres a new thing in place where you have to manually flag /pvp |
| 14:37.00 | Stanzilla | yeah shards are super important... http://i.imgur.com/SIgbDJ6.png |
| 14:37.11 | Ressy | I think its a bug or exploit that someone manages to force me into pvp |
| 14:37.16 | Gnarfoz | nothing new about /pvp being a thing on pve realms |
| 14:37.32 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla:Â you have nothing better to do all day, though |
| 14:37.45 | Ressy | Before you could get flagged by hitting someone accidentally |
| 14:37.47 | Ressy | like aoe |
| 14:37.50 | Stanzilla | I think even staring at a white wall would be something better |
| 14:37.55 | Ressy | Now you specifically have to flag. |
| 14:37.59 | Gnarfoz | aoe doesn't hit pvp flagged people if you're not flagged |
| 14:38.11 | Ressy | nods |
| 14:38.20 | Thunder_Child | Ah. When did that start? |
| 14:38.21 | Ressy | I remember when it used to. |
| 14:38.57 | mfgmfg | probably an invasion thing? |
| 14:39.22 | fewyn | did you go into/fly over an other faction zone? |
| 14:39.30 | fewyn | i think those are supposed to flag you? |
| 14:39.43 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: also everyone can leave wow running and afk in invasions :D |
| 14:39.46 | fewyn | i don't know tho i've been playing on a pvp realm for years now |
| 14:39.49 | mfgmfg | yeah you should be pvp flagged for 5 minutes if you go into a hostile zone |
| 14:40.02 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: also everyone can leave wow running and afk in invasions :D |
| 14:40.20 | Thunder_Child | Uh oh, the matrix just changed. |
| 14:40.33 | nebula | not like this |
| 14:43.48 | VIad | wrath event was still superior |
| 14:43.53 | VIad | ghoul faction |
| 14:44.26 | fewyn | dreadlord faction |
| 14:44.28 | fewyn | best faction |
| 14:44.44 | VIad | I saw a DH named dreadlord |
| 14:47.48 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg:Â fewyn: only on pvp realms, though. on pve you have to enter the actual city to be flagged |
| 14:48.33 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: even single target attacks dont target pvp enabled people unless oyu manually flag, on pve anyway |
| 14:51.04 | Gnarfoz | meaning you can target them, cast, and it will error/do nothing? |
| 14:51.15 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 14:51.28 | Gnarfoz | neat, I guess |
| 14:51.30 | Gnarfoz | never been on a pve realm except beta ^^ |
| 14:52.53 | Gnarfoz | the answer to "since when?" is apparently WoD systems patch http://wow.gamepedia.com/Player_vs._Player#Patch_changes |
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| 15:03.07 | Thunder_Child | That would explain it. I stopped shortly after WoD released. |
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| 15:11.03 | Stanzilla | first invasion weapon on the fresh 100 paladin |
| 15:11.06 | Stanzilla | and it's the glaive |
| 15:11.07 | Stanzilla | ffffffff |
| 15:14.22 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: you didn't get any useable weapon from the scenario quest? |
| 15:14.55 | nevcairiel | oif course he did, but he wants the better one |
| 15:15.45 | Stanzilla | that^ |
| 15:15.53 | Gnarfoz | I still wtb the two paladin weapons for completeness' sake |
| 15:15.55 | Stanzilla | 700 > 685 |
| 15:15.59 | Stanzilla | and you cant upgrade the 685 one |
| 15:16.29 | Gnarfoz | (and I maybe need a druid for the other 2? things I can't get with my classes... agi polearm and erm... that other thing.) |
| 15:16.38 | Stanzilla | i'm a bit sad they removed a few of those weapons before launch |
| 15:17.02 | Stanzilla | it's only 10 now, last removed ones are agi sword and int stuff |
| 15:17.12 | Stanzilla | especially int staff is sad because there is no offhand |
| 15:19.01 | fewyn | where is the new quest |
| 15:19.05 | fewyn | shakes his fist |
| 15:19.11 | fewyn | blizzzzzard |
| 15:24.12 | Stanzilla | there we go, 1h axe |
| 15:24.58 | Stanzilla | feels quite weird that weapon is the only thing that is upgradable while also being the first thing you replace during levelling |
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| 15:26.51 | Gnarfoz | stop with that logic, we've already exceeded our quota for today |
| 15:27.16 | fewyn | lol |
| 15:27.23 | Stanzilla | oh ok, sorry! |
| 15:27.24 | fewyn | i didn't think of that Stanzilla |
| 15:27.27 | fewyn | like seriously |
| 15:27.29 | fewyn | i didn't |
| 15:27.41 | Stanzilla | Blizzard probably didn't either! |
| 15:28.06 | Gnarfoz | apparently |
| 15:28.08 | fewyn | at leas tht e gear can proc now? |
| 15:28.13 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 15:28.14 | fewyn | to be warforged? |
| 15:28.18 | Stanzilla | 710/720 |
| 15:28.20 | Gnarfoz | also, unfair, y u axe |
| 15:28.27 | Stanzilla | y u no axe? |
| 15:28.33 | Gnarfoz | because... idk |
| 15:28.40 | fewyn | should make doing mythics this weekend easy |
| 15:28.40 | Gnarfoz | not enough prayers to rngsus |
| 15:28.49 | Stanzilla | damn son |
| 15:28.55 | Stanzilla | also y no shield |
| 15:29.01 | Stanzilla | now I have to garrosh it up http://i.imgur.com/sk035h4.png |
| 15:29.18 | Gnarfoz | 620 is better than 0 :D |
| 15:29.23 | Stanzilla | yeah :D |
| 15:29.38 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/blackmoore/totems/advanced muh offhand |
| 15:29.50 | Gnarfoz | (same on my warlock, wand+nothing) |
| 15:29.57 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 15:30.02 | Stanzilla | get random shit blue from AH, I guess |
| 15:30.43 | Gnarfoz | probably, yeah |
| 15:30.58 | Gnarfoz | or I could craft something! before I shuffle all of these tradeskills around |
| 15:31.33 | Gnarfoz | (which I actually probably wont... I have vague hopes for this http://www.wowhead.com/news=253765/6-23-weekly-legion-developer-q-a-professions-with-senior-game-designer-paul-kubi#blood-of-sargeras-what-use-is-it-to-double-gatherers-why-not-boa-so-it-can-be-tr meaning I can stay with my double crafting professions) |
| 15:31.39 | Stanzilla | why do you want to shuffle tradeskills? |
| 15:32.00 | fewyn | because doublecrafting is not going to be easy in legion |
| 15:32.12 | fewyn | because of bloods |
| 15:32.33 | Stanzilla | meh |
| 15:32.38 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/Diablo/status/765571414892089344 |
| 15:32.38 | Stanzilla | crafting gear is not that important |
| 15:32.53 | nevcairiel | most people went double crafting in draenor because everything was free and gathering pointless |
| 15:33.06 | nevcairiel | but at least herbalism is doing to be important again |
| 15:33.13 | nevcairiel | the other mats ... probably not that much |
| 15:33.18 | nevcairiel | crafted gear is just pretty meh |
| 15:33.19 | fewyn | i decided to go eng/mining |
| 15:33.22 | fewyn | on my rogue |
| 15:33.28 | fewyn | and jc/mining on my hunter |
| 15:33.38 | fewyn | thinking lw/skinning on dh? |
| 15:33.53 | Gnarfoz | "went in WoD"? nah. Double Crafting has been the way to go for the last decade, basically. |
| 15:34.20 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 15:34.35 | Gnarfoz | now they make an about-face and want me to throw away my maxed out tradeskills? no thanks |
| 15:34.49 | Stanzilla | like I said, craft gear is not important |
| 15:34.51 | Stanzilla | so why bother |
| 15:34.52 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â well, that was from a min/max perspective, of course |
| 15:35.12 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla:Â it's not? mh. |
| 15:35.16 | nevcairiel | wasnt really in WoD, people just got rid of gathering because they never used it |
| 15:35.20 | Gnarfoz | why all the fuzz with Obliterum, then |
| 15:35.22 | Stanzilla | you get the same ilvl loot from dungeons |
| 15:35.39 | Gnarfoz | right, it wasn't really that advantageous in WoD anymore, with gathering ALSO being useless :D |
| 15:35.49 | Gnarfoz | I get 850 from dungeons? :o |
| 15:35.50 | nevcairiel | it maxes out at 850, which can be useful pre-raid if you have slots with nothing else, but after that its just pointless |
| 15:36.01 | Stanzilla | so the only thing crafting gear is useful, is filling bad luck slots |
| 15:36.07 | Gnarfoz | well, it'd be nice to start into raid with 850 ^^ |
| 15:36.16 | Gnarfoz | can crafted gear be titanforged? I guess not :D |
| 15:36.25 | nevcairiel | a full set on 850 will require absolutely massive investments tho |
| 15:36.37 | Stanzilla | and not worth it |
| 15:36.49 | Gnarfoz | (but before that... JC gems, BS bracer enchants, Inscription shoulder enchants... and so on. it was worth it for a long time) |
| 15:37.54 | Gnarfoz | in any case, double-gathering is super pointless now |
| 15:38.23 | Stanzilla | with no combat benefits and everything you need being BoE and on the AH, professions are as useless as ever |
| 15:38.30 | Gnarfoz | (I think I got rid of that when I boosted my alts for WoD, to take advantage of the free tradeskill boost) |
| 15:38.57 | Gnarfoz | well, someone has to make that "BoE" stuff, it doesn't come from nowhere. |
| 15:39.06 | Gnarfoz | but that's a different aspect of professions ^^ |
| 15:39.11 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 15:39.13 | Stanzilla | exactly |
| 15:39.52 | Gnarfoz | I'd certainly like to be able to make my own things from that "what you need is BoE" pool, like Vantus runes and the +200 gems |
| 15:40.06 | Stanzilla | I'm more concerned about our raiders not properly levelling and handling their artifact than I ever was about levelling professions :D |
| 15:40.10 | Gnarfoz | but I guess for that, the alternative sources like world quests, shoulder enchant thing and drops shall be enough |
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| 15:40.38 | Gnarfoz | I expect much raging about "muh 2nd spec artifact power" |
| 15:40.45 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: shouldnt your hardcore raiders know wtf they are doing |
| 15:40.49 | Stanzilla | "what there is a better route to go for the the first traits? i just randomly clicked one?!" |
| 15:40.54 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: SHOULD |
| 15:40.56 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 15:40.57 | Stanzilla | exactly |
| 15:41.02 | Gnarfoz | hahaha, you make it sound like they know what they fuck they're doing ;D |
| 15:41.19 | Stanzilla | In reality it's babysitting on a different level |
| 15:41.22 | Gnarfoz | push button; receive bacon |
| 15:42.48 | mfgmfg | afaik, NEVER refund a trait even if you misclicked |
| 15:43.03 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 15:43.58 | Gnarfoz | it costs as much as the next trait would cost, right? |
| 15:44.39 | mfgmfg | yes |
| 15:44.55 | Gnarfoz | anyone who can't figure out that's not a good deal... :D |
| 15:45.27 | Stanzilla | it's more abotu chosing the "right" path in the first place |
| 15:45.46 | Stanzilla | there are some traits that you need to reach first for "optimal" performance in the early stages |
| 15:45.50 | nevcairiel | just post one per spec if you fear they will be morons |
| 15:46.12 | Stanzilla | that's what I meant by babysitting |
| 15:46.16 | Stanzilla | and that will probably happen :D |
| 15:50.40 | Gnarfoz | I know I already looked at guides for shortest path for my two preferred specs |
| 15:56.23 | Gnarfoz | so I have two characters without any professions, and two where I have one "good" crafting profession and one "just boosted, np to get rid of" crafting professions... mhh. |
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| 16:22.41 | Stanzilla | glad I have so many chars that I dont have to worry about that :D |
| 16:26.31 | Ressy | I made a horde toon, bought a 90 boost... |
| 16:26.50 | Ressy | Got it to 92, and parked it. Bought Legion, and used the 100 boost on it before the invasions started. sigh. |
| 16:29.00 | znf | my decisions after cataclysm were "fuck those other toons, I need a gatherer, that's it" |
| 16:35.50 | Unkle | Still debating which of my toons is getting the remaining 100 boost. |
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| 17:02.17 | Gnarfoz | whee, invasions every 2 hours now |
| 17:04.03 | fewyn | yessss new quest |
| 17:04.06 | fewyn | is up |
| 17:04.41 | Gnarfoz | that, too |
| 17:04.53 | VIad | EU too? |
| 17:04.53 | Gnarfoz | funnily enough, without regard for regions. |
| 17:05.01 | VIad | or is it just hotfix invasion stuff out in EU? |
| 17:05.44 | mfgmfg | probably triggered by weekly reset VIad |
| 17:05.58 | VIad | invasion changes are live in EU atm |
| 17:06.01 | VIad | thats why I wondered |
| 17:06.09 | VIad | 2h, warforged, and so on |
| 17:07.12 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg: weekly reset is not until tomorrow |
| 17:07.22 | Gnarfoz | warforged was live yesterday already, VIad |
| 17:07.39 | VIad | ok |
| 17:07.42 | VIad | said 16 in the log :p |
| 17:07.44 | Stanzilla | yeah EU, too VIad |
| 17:07.47 | VIad | kk |
| 17:07.51 | VIad | so I can do legion quest ? :D |
| 17:07.56 | Gnarfoz | whatever that means |
| 17:08.02 | Gnarfoz | you can do the next step of the pre-expansion event |
| 17:08.13 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: LIT is confused about what invasions are up for me. shows Tanaris and Hillsbrad, but it's Tanaris and Azshara. |
| 17:08.38 | Funkeh` | it's tanaris, azshara and hillsbrad |
| 17:08.46 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:08.48 | Gnarfoz | my worldmap just shows the two I said |
| 17:08.58 | Funkeh` | did you look at EK? :p |
| 17:09.03 | Gnarfoz | obviously? |
| 17:09.18 | Gnarfoz | but I was doing one right about that time, maybe they were assholes and flagged it for the new reset |
| 17:09.38 | Funkeh` | is it green in LIT? |
| 17:09.41 | Gnarfoz | oh right, I totally forgot what colors in LIT mean. it shows green in LIT. |
| 17:09.44 | Gnarfoz | but there's just one red one. |
| 17:09.50 | Gnarfoz | Azshara is missing |
| 17:10.04 | Funkeh` | yeah, it only supports 2 bars |
| 17:10.08 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 17:10.11 | Gnarfoz | well! |
| 17:10.21 | Gnarfoz | I guess it should prefer showing unfinished ones ;) |
| 17:11.00 | Gnarfoz | I bet it's going to be crowded in Stormwind keep right now |
| 17:12.34 | Funkeh` | I need to decide if I want to continue having 1 bar per zone, I'll probably do that for now |
| 17:21.34 | VIad | Gnarfoz: where does the quest start? at the vendor guys in SW/OG? |
| 17:23.31 | Stanzilla | relog |
| 17:23.38 | Stanzilla | one of khadgars minions will appear |
| 17:26.47 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 17:27.25 | VIad | in any zone or SW? :p |
| 17:27.30 | Stanzilla | any |
| 17:27.31 | VIad | I relogged in garrison, nothing happened |
| 17:27.32 | VIad | hmm |
| 17:27.37 | nevcairiel | probably anywhere, but SW definitely works |
| 17:27.54 | Gnarfoz | someone in trade said you had to do an invasion to trigger it, not sure how much stock to put into that |
| 17:28.31 | Stanzilla | he probably means, having done the quest that tells you to do an invasion |
| 17:28.37 | Gnarfoz | possibly |
| 17:28.56 | nevcairiel | on beta that wasnt required |
| 17:28.58 | nevcairiel | but who knows |
| 17:29.03 | Gnarfoz | :beta: |
| 17:29.55 | VIad | last week I did all the quests |
| 17:30.01 | VIad | I ended up with the one telling me to do an invasion |
| 17:30.03 | VIad | I did that too :p |
| 17:30.06 | VIad | then no more quests |
| 17:30.10 | nevcairiel | mine just appeared next to me in the garrison anyway |
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| 17:31.59 | VIad | ok |
| 17:32.03 | VIad | I will try that again, but in SW :p |
| 17:41.25 | Gnarfoz | so invasion exp has been nerfed to the ground(tm) |
| 17:42.03 | Gnarfoz | from >300k exp with 300% exp potion to ~10k xD |
| 17:42.29 | nevcairiel | even my level 30 char got more then 10k, you must be doing it wrong |
| 17:43.58 | fewyn | that seems odd Gnarfoz |
| 17:44.02 | fewyn | i get way more than that |
| 17:44.19 | Gnarfoz | maybe the guy who told me didn't notice he hit 100? ;D no idea |
| 17:44.35 | Gnarfoz | hm no, he's 63 |
| 17:45.08 | VIad | killed galleon on my DH, no drops |
| 17:45.12 | VIad | hotfix said its fixed :/ |
| 17:45.26 | VIad | like no gold, box, nothing. |
| 17:47.49 | Gnarfoz | any modern alternatives to Audacity on Windows? |
| 17:47.57 | Gnarfoz | (not that it really needs an alternative, just asking) |
| 17:49.01 | fewyn | i'm kinda sad that the new quest isn't voice acted |
| 17:49.24 | Gnarfoz | that was an immediate reaction from several guildies of mine as well |
| 17:49.39 | fewyn | like it seems like it should be voice acted |
| 17:50.12 | xmyno | yup, thought i had dialog sound turned off |
| 17:50.20 | fewyn | same |
| 17:50.30 | fewyn | i swear it was voice acted on beta tho |
| 17:50.36 | fewyn | i swear i saw a streamer do it |
| 17:50.39 | fewyn | a couple months back |
| 17:51.33 | fewyn | at 62 i got 9700 xp for stage 1 |
| 17:51.35 | fewyn | hrmmm |
| 17:51.39 | fewyn | maybe they did nerf it? |
| 17:52.02 | fewyn | or maybe the hotfix to speed it up unbuffed the xp? |
| 17:53.06 | fewyn | stage 2 gave me 19450 |
| 18:01.20 | Funkeh` | doesn't the xp nerf make sense, since it's 3 events and lower reset |
| 18:01.32 | Funkeh` | also, new version of LIT with 3 bars released Gnarfoz |
| 18:01.38 | fewyn | supposedly |
| 18:01.41 | fewyn | somoene mathed |
| 18:01.43 | fewyn | and we get more xp |
| 18:01.45 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: you da man, man |
| 18:01.48 | fewyn | but you have to do 3 now |
| 18:01.57 | fewyn | to get the full xp |
| 18:01.59 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 18:02.05 | fewyn | which is slightly more |
| 18:02.16 | fewyn | by like 30% more xp |
| 18:02.19 | fewyn | or so |
| 18:02.51 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: should dig up a video if that's the case, btw |
| 18:04.05 | fewyn | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4y0q8f/math_behind_the_invasion_exp_nerf/ |
| 18:04.07 | fewyn | Gnarfoz: ^ |
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| 18:09.23 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BrzfCU3IGw didn't have voice acting in July, btw |
| 18:09.33 | fewyn | oh |
| 18:09.35 | fewyn | ok |
| 18:09.36 | fewyn | i swear i did |
| 18:09.55 | zenzelezz | maybe you were narrating while drunk |
| 18:10.00 | fewyn | MAYBE |
| 18:10.08 | Gnarfoz | maximum spoilers there, btw, for anyone who hasn't watched them |
| 18:13.26 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: the broken isles relocation has a cutscene (with VO, of course), though |
| 18:13.34 | jro | Is there a pet related function for seeing if a pet is out? |
| 18:14.20 | jro | For something like Shamans Feral Spirits which are a duration based pet - being able to see what the remaining duration is |
| 18:14.30 | jro | I suppose you could just look at the cooldown of the ability since its a 2min cd |
| 18:15.01 | Gnarfoz | or the buff's remaining time |
| 18:15.15 | jro | It doesn't show up as a buff since they are actually pets |
| 18:15.27 | jro | well pet |
| 18:16.08 | Gnarfoz | maybe UnitExists("pet") |
| 18:16.20 | nevcairiel | temporary things like those are probably not actual pets |
| 18:18.58 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=19847/levixus |
| 18:19.01 | VIad | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3794151/Screenshots/WoW/understandingdemonic.png |
| 18:19.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel is correct |
| 18:19.47 | nevcairiel | so the book of the dead is apparently the credits |
| 18:20.12 | VIad | only like 3 quotes with names |
| 18:20.15 | VIad | that loop |
| 18:20.21 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/G8jdBM1.png :d |
| 18:20.31 | nevcairiel | not a new info though, warlocks could understand demonic before |
| 18:20.32 | jro | nevcairiel you're correct about wolves as well, unitexists pet doesnt work either |
| 18:20.55 | Gnarfoz | that's what I meant, too ^^ |
| 18:21.39 | VIad | yea |
| 18:21.40 | Gnarfoz | and no aura |
| 18:27.20 | VIad | Semlar: did y ou make this? http://imgur.com/r/wow/FVhmupu |
| 18:34.15 | VIad | omg my dearest Semlar made it :d foglight |
| 18:46.48 | Unkle | Ever want to feel old and stupid ... just read your old posts on the WoW forums. |
| 18:50.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (sid144515@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-szsbobychlxjmzja) |
| 18:55.06 | VIad | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4x3u33/i_couldnt_run_the_game_at_normal_resolutions/ |
| 18:58.30 | karl_w_w | can anyone tell me what music this is? https://youtu.be/VScAyJ6ByIU?t=7m50s |
| 18:58.37 | karl_w_w | note it's been sped up a bit |
| 18:59.42 | Gnarfoz | if I had to guess, I'd say it's a piano! |
| 19:00.16 | karl_w_w | you're confusing music with instrument :P |
| 19:09.34 | Gnarfoz | counter-question: can anyone tell what music this is? https://www.hddf.eu/audio/brrrrrrt.wav :P |
| 19:09.58 | znf | facebook is dount |
| 19:10.04 | znf | down |
| 19:10.22 | Stanzilla | nop |
| 19:10.36 | znf | it's no longer down :( |
| 19:10.54 | VIad | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4wl1a9/does_disenchant_roll_have_a_higher_priority_than/ |
| 19:11.57 | VIad | ^ should we worry? :p |
| 19:12.23 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 19:12.31 | VIad | disenchant can win over need |
| 19:12.32 | VIad | :p |
| 19:12.40 | VIad | "oh sorry bro, you can have a shard though..." |
| 19:24.36 | Gnarfoz | maybe you should read the thread |
| 19:24.48 | Gnarfoz | he actually rolled greed |
| 19:24.55 | Gnarfoz | (effectively) |
| 19:29.06 | Ssateneth | xp rewards from invasions nerfed |
| 19:29.09 | Ssateneth | Ffffffffffffffffffffffffuck |
| 19:30.35 | nevcairiel | you can actually get more xp then before |
| 19:30.46 | nevcairiel | 3 times as many invasions |
| 19:30.52 | bshelden | more per cycle, less per minute. |
| 19:31.15 | nevcairiel | less per minute, more per 2 hours =p |
| 19:31.53 | nevcairiel | just trippling the invasions without adjusting the xp would've made the gains even morei nsane then it was before, so this is no surprise |
| 19:31.57 | mfgmfg | nevcairiel, but harder to do it on more alts |
| 19:32.18 | nevcairiel | tough =p |
| 19:32.32 | bshelden | I agree it was a justified change. |
| 19:32.47 | bshelden | But it's worth mentioning the whole change. |
| 19:33.09 | bshelden | I am concerned that this will incentivize just parking a lowbie in the corner of westfall come phase 3... |
| 19:33.20 | bshelden | Netflix and jump once in awhile... |
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| 19:35.51 | Ssateneth | as an alt, yeahhhhhh |
| 19:35.54 | Ssateneth | ima just afk stage 3 |
| 19:36.02 | Ssateneth | let the tryhards farm their nethershards |
| 19:36.37 | Gnarfoz | it's moaaaaar https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4y0q8f/math_behind_the_invasion_exp_nerf/ |
| 19:46.01 | Ssateneth | mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooar |
| 19:52.42 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csXQ7ACD4vs |
| 19:54.35 | znf | what's the deal with those shards anyway? |
| 19:54.59 | znf | I haven't found any vendor that actually sold crap for those shards on the beta |
| 19:56.15 | bshelden | There are a bunch of DH camps that sell xmog stuff, a pet, and some jewelery for them |
| 19:56.35 | bshelden | The Stormwind (and probably Org) ones don't show unless you do the broken shore (DH always see them) |
| 19:56.59 | nevcairiel | there is one near every invasion site, and the ones in the capital, yeah |
| 19:57.13 | Gnarfoz | each zone where invasions happen has a camp, znf is horde, so idk where they are in Org, but you have to do broken shore |
| 19:57.17 | Gnarfoz | meh, too slow! |
| 19:58.57 | znf | ah |
| 19:59.15 | nevcairiel | its usually such a caged demon that sells the goodies |
| 19:59.29 | bshelden | If you haven't done broken shore, you can find them in any other zone. For westfall, it's at the north end of the zone. |
| 19:59.42 | bshelden | I should get around to doing that on a second character for the item I missed sometime... |
| 19:59.52 | TheDanW | the org one is near the flight master |
| 19:59.53 | bshelden | After that, thank you thank you thank you for the skip option. |
| 20:00.01 | bshelden | It was epic once. It won't be by the time I hit #10 |
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| 20:05.34 | Ressy | Twitch bought Curse. o.O |
| 20:06.00 | ccox | interesting.... |
| 20:06.32 | jro | curse client |
| 20:06.45 | znf | what now? |
| 20:06.53 | Stanzilla | https://blog.twitch.tv/twitch-and-curse-8ae2b20acf91#.peasga70p |
| 20:07.37 | Ressy | looks like all of Curse |
| 20:07.41 | zenzelezz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem - I am amused they stuck to this name for a statistical thing |
| 20:07.44 | znf | do they realise the curse client was free? |
| 20:08.03 | Stanzilla | http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160816006172/en/Twitch-Acquire-Curse |
| 20:08.45 | znf | I always find it weird for younger companies to acquire older ones |
| 20:13.02 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.10 | mfgmfg | Curse Client now with Twitch Chat to Speech Conversion |
| 20:17.00 | Andols | O.o |
| 20:21.22 | VIad | is it me or IsSpellKnown is like useless? |
| 20:21.52 | VIad | it only returned like 8 spells I know when doing a 1-50000 query |
| 20:23.45 | bshelden | "Demon Hunters can now gain reputation with Pearlfin Jinyu and Black Prince." <-- Hope that's retroactive |
| 20:23.58 | bshelden | Not that it's important, just.. bugs me. |
| 20:24.24 | nevcairiel | retroactive for existing demon hunters, not retroactive for reputation you may have not gotten =p |
| 20:24.58 | bshelden | Well, most of the pearlfin is quest locked. It was an odd reputation, since you naturally max it out just playing |
| 20:24.59 | VIad | yes. so rep is wasted. |
| 20:25.10 | VIad | what if you already did the Qs? :p |
| 20:25.15 | VIad | you only got rep from Q's |
| 20:26.42 | bshelden | That's just it. I went and did the quests thinking that might have had something to do with not getting loot from anything. |
| 20:26.55 | bshelden | Since I wasn't 'really' in pandaria content yet. |
| 20:26.59 | nevcairiel | why would you quest pandaria on a DH anyway :D |
| 20:27.14 | bshelden | Just answered that :P |
| 20:27.23 | nevcairiel | not really, no |
| 20:27.36 | bshelden | Experimenting to see if that had something to do with not getting any loot from world bosses. |
| 20:27.40 | bshelden | Not even gold. Nothing. |
| 20:27.49 | nevcairiel | that bug was fixed anothjer hotifx =p |
| 20:27.59 | bshelden | Yes, but by then I had already done the intro quests. |
| 20:28.12 | bshelden | I did them the night after rolling my DH. |
| 20:28.14 | kd3 | whuh. so I guess I am now, through multiple levels of indrection, associated with amazon now |
| 20:28.15 | nevcairiel | well then you could just check if t hey granted reputation |
| 20:28.25 | bshelden | I only noticed the lack of rep after finishing. |
| 20:28.37 | bshelden | It wasn't exactly a priority. I still find the pearlfin rep to be bizarre. |
| 20:28.42 | bshelden | Like, why does it exist? |
| 20:29.04 | bshelden | But now that I see it's missing, it bugs me. And so I hope it adds the missing rep from quests. |
| 20:30.04 | bshelden | I'll find out for sure tonight. Hardly the end of the world either way. |
| 20:30.28 | nevcairiel | can always re-create it and start over :D |
| 20:30.49 | bshelden | Totally. Literally unplayable :P |
| 20:32.28 | znf | 23:28:43Â <bshelden>Â Like, why does it exist? |
| 20:32.39 | znf | so the mobs name turns from yellow to green :D |
| 20:33.02 | bshelden | That really seems to be about it... |
| 20:33.24 | bshelden | wishes the rep UI would be fixed to let him hide groups |
| 20:33.27 | nevcairiel | its just a story tool, you get to become their hero |
| 20:33.39 | bshelden | Some hero. We lead them to the edge of utter ruin. |
| 20:33.58 | nevcairiel | they like you =p |
| 20:34.04 | bshelden | We were much more the bad guys in MoP than the Sha ever was. |
| 20:34.21 | nevcairiel | the sha are not inherently bad |
| 20:34.29 | bshelden | ... |
| 20:34.31 | bshelden | They really are |
| 20:34.39 | nevcairiel | if everyone is nice, then the sha behaves too |
| 20:34.52 | nevcairiel | they only come out because we bring the conflict |
| 20:34.55 | Freddie | I wonder what would happen if Jaina went to Pandaria |
| 20:34.55 | bshelden | That... that doesn't mean they aren't bad. It means they're out of power. |
| 20:35.04 | bshelden | She would explode immediately. |
| 20:35.10 | Freddie | kaboom~ |
| 20:35.29 | bshelden | Or rather, she should have. That she didn't have a constant sha infestation in her wake is a bit of a plot hole. |
| 20:38.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar (~chatzilla@142-196-129-245.res.bhn.net) |
| 20:38.31 | VIad | for my DH PickupSpell(211390) for the class hall bodyguard system |
| 20:39.28 | Ssateneth | 200,000 spells |
| 20:39.31 | Ssateneth | wow blizz |
| 20:39.51 | nevcairiel | they just dont reuse spell ids, so it accumulates over the years |
| 20:39.53 | kd3 | 12 years of an mmo will do that |
| 20:40.12 | nevcairiel | many many of the lower ids are just unused |
| 20:41.09 | Freddie | there's also large swathes of npc spells chilling in there |
| 20:41.36 | Andols | bshelden: Hide groups? As in entire category? |
| 20:41.49 | bshelden | Andols: Yes. |
| 20:42.24 | bshelden | Any category that is also a rep cannot be made inactive because of that. |
| 20:42.43 | bshelden | It's one of those minor things that's bugged me since wrath. |
| 20:42.44 | nevcairiel | at least normal empty categories hide away |
| 20:43.18 | bshelden | I still hold onto hope that at some point, some day, some bored UI dev will fix that. Maybe for 34.0 |
| 20:44.10 | nevcairiel | should just wip yourself up some tiny addon |
| 20:44.24 | bshelden | I should. Mrh, might have to stop being lazy and just do it. |
| 20:44.34 | bshelden | I just... not fond of the language. |
| 20:44.57 | Andols | Bshelden:Remind me on Saturday, I already have a thing I probably could implement that to :D |
| 20:45.07 | bshelden | After writing code all day, it's hard to motivate myself to pick up a language I don't enjoy working in. |
| 20:46.06 | bshelden | That said, if I ever do complete my pet language experiment, a Lua backend is planned so there's a thing (in 10 or so years) |
| 20:47.39 | Thunder_Child | Just in time for 34.0 |
| 20:47.51 | Freddie | bshelden: https://github.com/NLua/NLua ! |
| 20:47.57 | Arrow|work | whats this? curse is part of amazon now? |
| 20:48.10 | Freddie | apparently |
| 20:48.12 | kd3 | curse got purchased by twitch, which is owned by amazon |
| 20:48.22 | Freddie | hopefully I get a new email address of myname-kappa |
| 20:48.34 | Arrow|work | so estaban just cant escape? |
| 20:48.39 | kd3 | lol |
| 20:48.40 | jro | is that why i cant get any of the curseforge peeps to respond |
| 20:48.45 | jro | too busy packing |
| 20:48.50 | Andols | Freddie-kappa@amazon.com? |
| 20:48.51 | Freddie | haha |
| 20:49.15 | bshelden | Freddie: Heh, not what I'm thinking of. |
| 20:49.15 | Freddie | everyone is in meetings. I'm remote so I just listen |
| 20:49.16 | kd3 | apparently the news was held close to the chest. I've been poking around my gamepedia contacts and they all said 'news to me too' |
| 20:49.29 | bshelden | I have some radical language ideas. No idea if they'll ever come to something useful. |
| 20:49.46 | Thunder_Child | I guess that means we are never getting addons in the new curse client. |
| 20:49.46 | Freddie | rewrite things in Haskell |
| 20:49.52 | bshelden | Closer, but still no. |
| 20:49.52 | Arrow|work | well there goes the datacenter |
| 20:50.10 | Freddie | hm |
| 20:50.15 | bshelden | I dabble in AST-first language design. That is, the syntax tree is the single source of truth, not the text. |
| 20:50.19 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: uhm, that's already in |
| 20:50.20 | Freddie | more radical than functional languages, so like brainfuck? |
| 20:50.20 | jro | time for elastic cloud |
| 20:50.23 | Freddie | oh, neat |
| 20:50.25 | Gnarfoz | (and it's not called "Curse Client" anymore) |
| 20:51.00 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: have to enable alpha versions for now, though, I think. which are open to everyone, though, and it works at least as well as CC5 already. ^^ |
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| 20:51.19 | kd3 | though it still breaks horribly in wine |
| 20:51.20 | Arrow|work | ive still never been able to use curse client |
| 20:51.23 | Thunder_Child | Having it in Alpha does not count as 'already in'. |
| 20:51.38 | Thunder_Child | Oh, and it just updated |
| 20:51.42 | Thunder_Child | looks like it is live. |
| 20:51.43 | kd3 | and by breaks horribly I mean 'the installer doesn't even work' |
| 20:52.37 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure Linux is a supported platform for either WoW or Curse. :D but maybe Zeldo knows more! :p |
| 20:52.37 | Arrow|work | id rather have overwatch work than cc |
| 20:52.44 | Gnarfoz | it's Electron after all |
| 20:53.03 | Gnarfoz | Arrow|work: Curse works on Macs, too, if you're stuck on one of those. |
| 20:53.25 | Arrow|work | why would i have a computer from a crackerjack box |
| 20:53.31 | Freddie | I work with Electron, it's... yeah |
| 20:53.35 | kd3 | yah, linux isn't a supported platform... but there were kernel patches to undo changes that broke wow+wine |
| 20:53.39 | kd3 | >.> |
| 20:53.53 | Arrow|work | wow+wine broke? |
| 20:53.53 | Gnarfoz | then I have no idea what's keeping you from running "A PROPER OS" on it, Arrow|work :D |
| 20:53.55 | Andols | Good night (or evening/morning/afternoon) |
| 20:53.58 | kd3 | like, by linus iirc |
| 20:54.00 | bshelden | o/ |
| 20:54.03 | kd3 | this was back in the 4.0 era |
| 20:54.41 | Arrow|work | oh, i havent played since 2 something |
| 20:54.49 | Gnarfoz | kernel 2.x? |
| 20:54.54 | Gnarfoz | that's been a while. |
| 20:54.57 | Arrow|work | no |
| 20:54.57 | Thunder_Child | I really should learn Electron. I tried learning Elm and want to kill someone so I think I am going to hold off on electron for now. |
| 20:54.59 | Arrow|work | wow 2.x |
| 20:55.08 | Gnarfoz | uhm... |
| 20:55.23 | Freddie | combine Electron with Squirrel so you can experience the same dickish team members across multiple projects |
| 20:55.24 | Freddie | :v |
| 20:55.27 | Gnarfoz | was Curse Client even Curse CLient then? :P |
| 20:55.27 | Arrow|work | oh i guess it was 3.x |
| 20:55.33 | Arrow|work | yes |
| 20:55.37 | Gnarfoz | in 3.x yeah |
| 20:55.55 | Gnarfoz | 2.x is way too close to WAU days |
| 20:56.18 | Gnarfoz | seriously though, does the Curse website work on Linux? |
| 20:56.28 | Arrow|work | 2.x was when i ripped apart wowmatrix to expose their copyright violations |
| 20:56.35 | kd3 | the website? sure. just lots of complaining about flash |
| 20:56.38 | Thunder_Child | Freddie: So it looks like C and plays like Python. Ok then. |
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| 21:10.11 | Gnarfoz | kd3: I meant the app-website, of course, which the downloadable app (SERIOUSLY, APP IS SUCH A SHIT WORD) wraps in Electron |
| 21:10.16 | Gnarfoz | i.e. voip and chat, at least |
| 21:10.36 | Thunder_Child | you dislike application? |
| 21:10.41 | kd3 | oh, the cursevoice client? eh, haven't tried too hard to get that working in wine either |
| 21:10.42 | Gnarfoz | no, "app". |
| 21:10.45 | kd3 | (I use discord) |
| 21:10.49 | Gnarfoz | cursevoice? AHHH |
| 21:11.10 | Gnarfoz | I'm going mad with companies naming their product exactly the same as the company. :P |
| 21:11.19 | Thunder_Child | if you don't like 'app' THEN DON'T USE IT. |
| 21:11.28 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: I tried to, but I needed to to differentiate. |
| 21:11.55 | Thunder_Child | but you could have said application. |
| 21:12.14 | Thunder_Child | I feel lost in this conversation. |
| 21:12.17 | Gnarfoz | mac users might get confused and think I mean program. |
| 21:14.20 | Gnarfoz | Curse Voice is long gone, Curse Client is now finally obsolete; the functionality of the latter has been rolled into the successor of the former, which is just called "Curse". And the chat (voice and text) functionality of "Curse" are available both as a website, and as a "website wrapped with a 'headless' version of Chrome called Electron" that you can download and install. |
| 21:14.22 | Thunder_Child | Is it not technically a program? |
| 21:14.34 | Gnarfoz | the program being run is Electron |
| 21:15.10 | Gnarfoz | so, my question was: does the chat part (which you can reach here: http://www.curse.com/) work on Linux |
| 21:16.34 | Gnarfoz | because if yes, then it would seem to me that it's not too far fetched to have a Linux version of the downloadable thing |
| 21:17.26 | Gnarfoz | (which contains the WoW addon management part. which also works on Macs, which are vaguely Unixoid. Hence, if they've already made it work for macOS, it's possibly not too hard to also make it work on Linux (or a specific distribution of their choice) |
| 21:18.06 | Gnarfoz | (I hope I've now made myself understandable, without sounding utterly insane. :P) |
| 21:18.35 | Thunder_Child | I think you mean "without sounding more insane." |
| 21:19.15 | Gnarfoz | when do insanity scores reset? I keep forgetting. |
| 21:19.31 | foxlit | wipe and pull Yogg again. |
| 21:19.32 | Thunder_Child | When you die. |
| 21:19.38 | Gnarfoz | I should go stand in a sanity well, unless someone killed that particular watcher |
| 21:19.38 | Thunder_Child | Well the voice stuff seems to work on mac. |
| 21:19.54 | Thunder_Child | at least the call bit works. |
| 21:20.03 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: grrr I was trying to think of which one did that so I was slow :| |
| 21:20.09 | Thunder_Child | not sure which part you are talking to. |
| 21:20.10 | Stanzilla | everything works on the mac |
| 21:20.12 | Stanzilla | the question was linux |
| 21:20.45 | Thunder_Child | Yes but Gnarfoz was poining out things that work on mac specifically. |
| 21:20.46 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could install a browser on Ubuntu for WSL :D |
| 21:20.54 | Stanzilla | but it's just webrtc so it should work just fine |
| 21:21.30 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: right, I meant the addon part specifically. That is only available in the download version, which makes me assume it's either a permissions issue or a "need native code for that" issue. |
| 21:21.40 | Gnarfoz | (perhaps both) |
| 21:39.19 | foxlit | the 7.0 shapeshift cooldowns are annoying :( |
| 21:40.52 | Stanzilla | speed of travel form is annoying |
| 21:41.03 | Stanzilla | want mount speed back :< |
| 21:43.10 | bshelden | It was a brief, but wonderful time, having that~ |
| 21:51.28 | foxlit | 'A minor bug: If you have a ring that features an item, if this item is not in your bags on relog / reload the opie custom ring with that item will sometimes "crash". It becomes inactive, and cannot be activated. When this happens, the "fix" is to get the item into your bags and /reload.' |
| 21:51.59 | foxlit | does that actually happen? |
| 22:01.01 | Gnarfoz | I wonder why the random character name generator is still NA-exclusive |
| 22:01.08 | Gnarfoz | (or, well, at least not EU-inclusive) |
| 22:02.26 | nevcairiel | probably too hard to make it generate proper names in all sorts of languages |
| 22:04.57 | Gnarfoz | they're not English names to start with |
| 22:05.14 | Gnarfoz | (also NA has more than one language, too :D) |
| 22:05.40 | Gnarfoz | just seems like that was a pre-launch decision before it widely expanded, and it was never revisisted |
| 22:05.56 | nevcairiel | should ask TheDanW to investigate! |
| 22:06.34 | foxlit | 'we don't have a list of expletives long enough to cover all the european languages' |
| 22:06.38 | Gnarfoz | poor TheDanW ^^ |
| 22:06.42 | foxlit | </imaginary> |
| 22:06.48 | Gnarfoz | (but they do...) |
| 22:07.07 | Gnarfoz | at least they have one they think is long enough for regular player-supplied names |
| 22:07.14 | foxlit | um, question |
| 22:07.38 | foxlit | GameTooltip:SetOwner(foo, "ANCHOR_NONE") GameTooltip:SetOwner(foo, "ANCHOR_CURSOR") GameTooltip:SetText("This fails horribly") GameTooltip:Show() -- why? |
| 22:08.33 | Gnarfoz | (also, same argument: NA is at least US English, Canadian English & French, Australian English, esMX, ptBR... that's already quite a list) |
| 22:09.18 | foxlit | no. |
| 22:10.12 | foxlit | english is english, nobody cares about quebec, and everything south of The Wall has their own localized clients. |
| 22:13.04 | TheDanW | no idea :) |
| 22:13.54 | Gnarfoz | it's all the same client, isn't it :P |
| 22:14.12 | Gnarfoz | (these days) |
| 22:14.52 | Gnarfoz | also, your argument doesn't hold: why is it not available in enGB? |
| 22:15.06 | foxlit | Because enGB client caters to every non-localized european language |
| 22:16.08 | Gnarfoz | same for anyone playing with enUS in NA |
| 22:16.54 | Gnarfoz | (and still: why would they need a different list for their generator than for user-supplied names) |
| 22:17.10 | Guill | I don't think the way the name generation works would work well in all languages. It's basically just a markov chain built from a giant list of manually-input example names. |
| 22:17.26 | Guill | At the very least, someone would have to create that giant list of example names for each locale |
| 22:17.32 | foxlit | The scenario here is that you're inevitably going to suggest that some kid in... Slovakia unknowningly names their character using local lang for (insert socially inappropriate concept here) |
| 22:17.41 | foxlit | ^s |
| 22:18.27 | Gnarfoz | but the kid gets to pick that name themselves? fine |
| 22:19.05 | Gnarfoz | Guill: they all seemed vaguely role-play-y, not even close to English words |
| 22:19.17 | Semlar | censors foxlit with blurry pixels |
| 22:19.26 | foxlit | fix this GameTooltip thing, Semlar. |
| 22:19.26 | Guill | Gnarfoz: A "dwarven" name looks different in Russian than in English |
| 22:19.31 | Semlar | what did you do to it |
| 22:19.40 | foxlit | GameTooltip:SetOwner(foo, "ANCHOR_NONE") GameTooltip:SetOwner(foo, "ANCHOR_CURSOR") GameTooltip:SetText("This fails horribly") GameTooltip:Show() |
| 22:19.59 | Semlar | you can't just go around setting the owner twice don't be ridiculous |
| 22:20.04 | foxlit | hm, in the interest of runnable code, replace foo with UIParent or something |
| 22:20.15 | Gnarfoz | Guill: maybe it's me not recognizing them as anything in particular. :D it uses different input data for different races? |
| 22:20.23 | Semlar | i think i actually ran into this problem when i tried to turn nameplates into unit tooltips |
| 22:20.25 | Guill | Gnarfoz: Yup! |
| 22:20.55 | Gnarfoz | neat. maybe something for the translation department to do ;-) |
| 22:21.11 | foxlit | [and now it suspiciously works] |
| 22:21.15 | Semlar | it does work |
| 22:21.20 | Semlar | i feel lied to |
| 22:21.54 | Semlar | when i was re-anchoring tooltips i would randomly end up with giant tooltips |
| 22:22.23 | Semlar | couldn't figure out why it was doing that |
| 22:22.30 | Gnarfoz | they've long been finished with translating every last thing, including lore characters and places :P (yeah yeah, long lost battle against translating EVERYTHING, it's been 11 years) |
| 22:22.39 | foxlit | but my actual code still breaks, which means I'm not extracting this properly. |
| 22:22.58 | Semlar | maybe it doesn't like your frame |
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| 22:23.13 | foxlit | actually running http://pastebin.com/dh4P32Es in something resembling OnUpdate. |
| 22:23.46 | Gnarfoz | too bad that feature wasn't one of the things "translated" -- maybe our realms would be a little less crowded with Xxdeatharthasxx's and his friends |
| 22:23.47 | foxlit | [and the double setowner simulates elv hooking SDA and trying to reanchor to cursor] |
| 22:24.15 | Semlar | what is it doing instead of what it's supposed to |
| 22:24.52 | foxlit | gametooltip seems to disappear into the nether, ocassionally leaving its oddly-sized backdrop behind. |
| 22:25.23 | Semlar | maybe it's an issue with calling GameTooltip:Hide() |
| 22:25.37 | foxlit | never runs. |
| 22:27.10 | foxlit | /run CreateFrame("Frame"):SetScript("OnUpdate", function(s) GameTooltip:SetOwner(s, "ANCHOR_NONE") GameTooltip:SetOwner(s, "ANCHOR_CURSOR") GameTooltip:SetText("Boo") GameTooltip:Show() end) |
| 22:29.53 | Semlar | it's probably guill's fault |
| 22:31.29 | foxlit | I think it pushes the task of positioning the tooltip to next render frame |
| 22:32.04 | foxlit | Perpetually in this case. |
| 22:35.59 | Semlar | well i managed to make it worse |
| 22:36.01 | Semlar | does that help |
| 22:36.19 | Semlar | wow this is killing my frame rate |
| 22:39.48 | Neffi | <Semlar> wow this is killing my frame rate <- writing another addon, Semlar? |
| 22:39.58 | Semlar | :( |
| 22:40.04 | Neffi | :/ |
| 22:40.11 | Stanzilla | who in here did Align, again? |
| 22:42.16 | Semlar | clearly the solution is to just call SetOwner every other frame |
| 22:42.33 | foxlit | that flickers. |
| 22:42.50 | Semlar | why do you need to call it OnUpdate? |
| 22:43.07 | nevcairiel | also why do you need to call it twice? =p |
| 22:43.28 | foxlit | 'foxlit: [and the double setowner simulates elv hooking SDA and trying to reanchor to cursor]' |
| 22:44.48 | Semlar | are you fighting something for ownership |
| 22:44.52 | foxlit | no. |
| 22:45.02 | foxlit | the /run macro certainly doesn't. |
| 22:45.20 | Semlar | well i mean why does it need to keep setting the owner |
| 22:45.59 | Semlar | to reset its contents? |
| 22:46.18 | foxlit | This was just the most straightforward way to ensure that it updates. |
| 22:47.21 | foxlit | I could bolt throttling logic onto it, or try to avoid calling parts of the initialization logic, but that didn't seem necessary previously. |
| 22:48.01 | Semlar | alright just replace its SetOwner function with your own |
| 22:48.53 | foxlit | would that help anything? :) |
| 22:49.02 | Semlar | it would make me feel better |
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| 22:51.12 | Semlar | how about just not using GameTooltip |
| 22:51.41 | foxlit | I don't think a different widget would help? |
| 22:52.04 | Semlar | well once it's anchored i don't see any reason to call it again |
| 22:52.24 | Semlar | so the only reason to keep calling it is if something else is changing the owner |
| 22:53.12 | Semlar | you can use ClearLines() when you want to repopulate it |
| 22:57.13 | Semlar | i'm probably just not understanding why you need to keep calling it |
| 23:03.12 | foxlit | 'need' is relative. I'm currently just calling it because it just (mostly) works, and everything else is a more complex solution. |
| 23:04.34 | foxlit | It seems like there's a bug with that positioning logic, which isn't impossible to work around, but it would be nicer if I didn't have to do that :) |
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| 23:27.29 | Semlar | i like the idea of just doing everything on update until it becomes a problem |
| 23:27.53 | Semlar | that's basically how my nameplates worked until they redid them |
| 23:28.33 | Torhal | kicks Semlar's shins OnUpdate. |
| 23:28.38 | Torhal | 144Hz |
| 23:28.42 | Semlar | i think there's more to SetOwner than just reanchoring the tooltip though, so there's probably a decent amount of overhead to calling it nonstop |
| 23:29.25 | Semlar | i know it clears its anchors, sets it parent and clears its contents |
| 23:31.27 | foxlit | foxlit's advanced guide to measuring overhead: |
| 23:31.34 | foxlit | (1) Does it cause a framerate drop? |
| 23:31.39 | foxlit | (2) No => I don't care. |
| 23:31.53 | foxlit | SetOwner, in this context, emphatically does not cause a framerate drop. |
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