| 00:02.34 | mfgmfg | signed/unsigned? |
| 00:05.35 | foxlit | whichever. |
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| 00:12.45 | znf | basically I suck balls: http://i.imgur.com/e0rZbiv.jpg |
| 00:13.26 | mfgmfg2 | having trouble with an edge case foxlit? |
| 00:14.15 | mfgmfg2 | for i=1,4 do print(bit.band(n,255)); n=n/256 end |
| 00:19.15 | foxlit | about ~2x slower than what I wrote. |
| 00:28.52 | Torhal | Simca: Did they break AoE loot detection again? |
| 00:28.55 | mfgmfg2 | ah, going for speed? |
| 00:35.12 | mfgmfg2 | bit.band(n,255),rs(bit.band(n,65280),8),rs(bit.band(n,16711680),16),rs(bit.band(n,4278190080),24) |
| 00:35.18 | mfgmfg2 | rs=bit.rshift |
| 00:35.42 | ccox | znf: I got a 48 rating. No matter how well I do my job in a match, I lose if others fail to do theirs. And they always fail to do theirs. |
| 00:35.56 | mfgmfg2 | mediocre! |
| 00:36.03 | znf | pretty much |
| 00:37.08 | foxlit | mfgmfg: that's worse. |
| 00:38.07 | mfgmfg | interesting. |
| 00:39.02 | foxlit | I benchmarked http://pastebin.com/mBdGPUKL when making the original comparison. |
| 00:41.13 | mfgmfg | testing on local lua, or within wow? |
| 00:44.15 | foxlit | the former. |
| 00:44.20 | mfgmfg | 5.2? |
| 00:44.27 | foxlit | 5.1. |
| 00:45.07 | mfgmfg | do you have bit.tobit? |
| 00:45.45 | foxlit | yes. |
| 00:46.31 | mfgmfg | never mind, that doesn't do what i thought |
| 00:47.32 | mfgmfg | bit.band(n,255),bit.band(rs(n,8),255),bit.band(rs(n,16),255),bit.band(rs(n,24),255) |
| 00:49.11 | Iriel | foxlit: did you benchmark 3 explicit divides rather than iterative divide? |
| 00:49.24 | mfgmfg | i guess it's running tobit on n every time you use rs and that slows it down compared to just /256 |
| 00:50.17 | foxlit | my personal opinion is that you lose the moment you touch bitlib. |
| 00:50.18 | mfgmfg | yea, try k4/256 k4/65536 etc |
| 00:50.54 | ccox | because constant divides can be replaced by inverse multiplication, and then parallelized on modern CPUs (assuming the lua interpreter is that smart) |
| 00:51.14 | Iriel | foxlit: also, how does % perform?] |
| 00:51.14 | mfgmfg | bit32 in lua 5.2 has extract, wonder what the speed on that is |
| 00:52.32 | foxlit | Iriel: better than anything else suggested so far. |
| 00:52.57 | Iriel | foxlit: yay |
| 00:53.39 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/eDPQAKm3 |
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| 00:58.17 | foxlit | There's an infinite loop in lzlib that I'm managing to get stuck in :( |
| 00:59.26 | foxlit | https://github.com/LuaDist/lzlib/blob/master/lzlib.c#L843 here, I think. |
| 01:00.52 | Iriel | foxlit: I have a faster one. |
| 01:01.02 | Iriel | let me just see if I can improve it |
| 01:01.12 | mfgmfg | bleh the code doesn't work in lua53 |
| 01:02.06 | mfgmfg | 1000000/256=3906.25 |
| 01:02.27 | mfgmfg | and band barfs |
| 01:03.02 | Iriel | foxlit: http://pastebin.com/yYuD7FLy |
| 01:03.33 | mfgmfg | that's evil |
| 01:03.43 | Iriel | It shaves 25% of the execution time off |
| 01:03.48 | mfgmfg | how much memory? |
| 01:03.59 | Iriel | a 65k entry arrayish table. |
| 01:04.02 | Iriel | "some" |
| 01:04.03 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:04.53 | mfgmfg | before calculators people had big books of lookup tables |
| 01:05.07 | Iriel | Nowaways, they're just inside the calculators. |
| 01:05.08 | mfgmfg | especially for trig functions |
| 01:05.12 | mfgmfg | yea |
| 01:07.59 | foxlit | Iriel: it's kind of surprising that you didn't see a benefit with a symmetric table for extracting low bits. |
| 01:08.13 | Iriel | Yeah, I tested that, it's slightly lower. |
| 01:08.18 | Iriel | slower,even |
| 01:10.12 | Iriel | If you don't like the lookup table, it's faster to split into 2 16 bit words, then split those, than it is to do your f1 |
| 01:13.33 | Iriel | Actually, a variant of your original incremental division function that uses % is the fastest non-lookup version I have so far. |
| 01:16.04 | Iriel | No, I take that back. |
| 01:16.16 | Iriel | (Flawed test) |
| 01:16.43 | mfgmfg | returning the values directly intead of doing local a,b,c,d = blah; return a,b,c,d seems slightly faster? |
| 01:17.15 | Iriel | It shouldn't be |
| 01:18.16 | mfgmfg | it's consistently faster |
| 01:19.21 | Iriel | So it is |
| 01:19.31 | Iriel | I suspect I know why. |
| 01:20.00 | Iriel | Hm, nope, not what I thought |
| 01:21.06 | Iriel | I see luac isn't smart enough to optimize away the moves |
| 01:23.02 | Iriel | And in fact that makes f1 faster than all of my non-lookup solutions. |
| 01:23.26 | Iriel | I wonder... |
| 01:24.07 | mfgmfg | this is fastest for me in lua 5.3 return k4&255,(k4//256)&255,(k4//65536)&255,(k4//0x1000000)&255 |
| 01:24.27 | mfgmfg | not sure how to tell it k4 is an integer so i can use / instead of // |
| 01:28.03 | Iriel | local function t1_3(k4) |
| 01:28.04 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.05 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.05 | Iriel | end |
| 01:28.08 | Iriel | That's my fastest non-lookup one. |
| 01:28.19 | Iriel | (Sorry about the newlines, lazy paste) |
| 01:29.11 | mfgmfg | slower than my last. |
| 01:29.19 | mfgmfg | what version of lua are you running Iriel? |
| 01:29.26 | Iriel | You're in lua 5.3 though, that's cheating. |
| 01:29.31 | Iriel | 5.2 |
| 01:30.38 | Iriel | (Specifically 5.2.4) |
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| 01:31.43 | mfgmfg | try this iriel: bit32.extract(k4,0,8),bit32.extract(k4,8,8),bit32.extract(k4,16,8),bit32.extract(k4,24,8) |
| 01:33.02 | Iriel | That's incredibly slow - those function calls kill you |
| 01:33.09 | mfgmfg | i imagined so |
| 01:33.10 | Iriel | (Even with a local reference to bit32.extract) |
| 01:33.27 | mfgmfg | just curious about its relative speed compared to using band/rs |
| 01:33.33 | mckenziemc | slowly kills mfgmfg. |
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| 01:34.06 | foxlit | so the good news is that my code works |
| 01:34.16 | foxlit | and the bad news is that lzlib doesn't. |
| 01:34.55 | Iriel | bug in inflate? |
| 01:38.34 | foxlit | zlib returns Z_BUF_ERROR after consuming all available data (rather than Z_STREAM_END), and lzlib happily calls it on repeat with "here's 0 more bytes for you, got anything?" |
| 01:39.34 | foxlit | If I break out of there manually, the inflated buffer is exactly what it should be. |
| 01:42.48 | mfgmfg | http://www.zlib.net/zlib_faq.html#faq05 |
| 01:49.49 | mfgmfg | so on line 857, should that && be || |
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| 01:50.17 | foxlit | I believe that would make it an if(true) { |
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| 01:50.53 | mfgmfg | misread |
| 01:51.44 | mfgmfg | ret != Z_OK || ret == Z_BUF_ERROR |
| 01:51.56 | foxlit | that's just broken. |
| 01:52.39 | mfgmfg | maybe needs a rewrite based on zlib_how |
| 01:53.02 | Semlar | deflates mfgmfg |
| 01:53.18 | mfgmfg | expels gas on Semlar |
| 01:54.04 | Semlar | rude |
| 01:54.14 | mfgmfg | well don't deflate without asking! |
| 01:54.28 | mfgmfg | or point me the other way |
| 02:00.54 | fewyn | simon pegg needs to write more star trek movies |
| 02:00.56 | fewyn | beyond was a++ |
| 02:06.01 | mckenziemc | was a initialized? |
| 02:13.25 | foxlit | ... off-by-one. |
| 02:14.24 | foxlit | so lzlib still has this infinite loop on some inputs, but I trigger it by the virtue of lopping off the last byte of what is probably the end-of-stream marker. |
| 02:24.22 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:07.31 | ccox | you know, I think I have PostScript code that extracts bytes more efficiently⦠|
| 03:08.28 | Torhal | glitter bombs Semlar. |
| 03:08.34 | Semlar | dies |
| 03:12.20 | mckenziemc | Semlar-bombs Torhal's addons. |
| 03:12.37 | Torhal | Despicable. |
| 03:15.46 | mckenziemc | Unreleaseable. |
| 03:34.21 | kullervo | soo... the usual? |
| 03:43.49 | fewyn | Americone Dream is the best Ben and Jerry's ice cream |
| 03:44.05 | kullervo | ooh I have some |
| 03:44.19 | fewyn | i just ate my pint |
| 03:44.19 | kullervo | thanks for reminding, I now know what to eat |
| 03:44.24 | fewyn | you're welcome |
| 03:44.27 | fewyn | you will enjoy it |
| 03:44.31 | kullervo | I don't plan to eat a whole pint |
| 03:44.40 | fewyn | liar |
| 03:44.46 | fewyn | you don't plan |
| 03:44.48 | fewyn | but you will |
| 03:45.05 | kullervo | yeah, during this week |
| 03:45.09 | fewyn | nah |
| 03:45.11 | fewyn | right now |
| 03:45.13 | fewyn | you know you want to |
| 03:45.31 | fewyn | dooooooooo it |
| 03:45.45 | fewyn | fall into the peer pressure |
| 03:50.37 | kullervo | I cut a small amount out of it |
| 03:53.56 | fewyn | not enoughhhhhh |
| 03:54.23 | kullervo | it's plenty enough |
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| 04:28.43 | tem | kd3, I think I'm in a dungeon with you right now |
| 04:32.38 | kd3 | heh |
| 04:32.41 | kd3 | just wipe on baine? |
| 04:32.44 | tem | yep |
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| 04:34.52 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 04:35.15 | kd3 | it's pretty easy to find me, since my character name is kinda obvious |
| 04:35.37 | tem | yeah I figured there weren't many kaydeethrees out tehre |
| 04:36.08 | mckenziemc | identify, not find :p |
| 05:06.27 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 05:06.34 | kd3 | 'lo |
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| 05:29.22 | mfgmfg | relicLinks are slightly complicated, but i guess they're based on the timewarped bonusID |
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| 05:45.41 | mckenziemc | steals Fisker's identity and hugs Cairenn. |
| 05:47.26 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 07:25.37 | Gnarfoz | a wild tem appears |
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| 07:57.19 | Gnarfoz | so btrfs eats yo data? good to know my distrust of it was still appropriate :D (don't use btrfs' raid5 or raid6 modes: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad) |
| 07:58.23 | Fisker | What's xfs? |
| 07:58.56 | Gnarfoz | battle-tested? proven? :P |
| 08:03.23 | Kee | yay! my first push :D |
| 08:03.50 | Kee | wow, it showed up on #WoWUIDev-commits |
| 08:07.35 | Fisker | discovers Cairenn and hugs Cairenn |
| 08:08.15 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 08:15.35 | Gnarfoz | wow, this is a thing? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Says-It-Wants-to-Charge-Broadband-Users-More-For-Privacy-137567 |
| 08:16.12 | Simca | Torhal: I hope not |
| 08:16.57 | Simca | yeah Gnarfoz\ |
| 08:17.30 | Torhal | ('-' ) (._. ) (o_o) ( ._.) ( '-') |
| 08:17.42 | Torhal | Simca: I was asking because of the top of the description at https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/rarity |
| 08:18.01 | Torhal | But it's dated in June, so I was hoping it was a snafu like they had in MoP. |
| 08:18.31 | Torhal | Er, July. |
| 08:18.32 | Torhal | Huh |
| 08:18.36 | Torhal | Just after the prepatch. |
| 08:18.54 | Torhal | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747794934 is the relevant link. |
| 08:22.04 | Simca | argh |
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| 08:47.35 | Maldivia | hmm, is WoW7 really prone to corrupting its files or something? |
| 08:49.37 | nevcairiel | some db files, apparently |
| 08:50.54 | Maldivia | like every 3rd or 4th time I start WoW, it complains about files being corrupted and starts the slow scanning/repair cycle |
| 08:55.13 | Alram | oh |
| 08:55.32 | Alram | well cache/db files were having some issues but your issue seems more serious |
| 08:55.48 | Maldivia | guess I'll just do a reinstall, shouldn't take that long |
| 08:56.03 | Alram | did you upgrade from 6.x? |
| 08:56.34 | Maldivia | I think this installation started as a 3.x and been upgraded every since :D |
| 08:56.39 | Alram | yeah ok |
| 08:56.43 | Gnarfoz | is it 500 GB by now? |
| 08:56.52 | Maldivia | hehehe |
| 08:56.53 | Alram | yeah it would probably save a bit of space to reinstall :D |
| 08:57.20 | Gnarfoz | Simca: how's that SlimCASC tool coming? :P |
| 09:03.39 | Maldivia | ok, the "now playable" appears really fast actually :D |
| 09:05.22 | nevcairiel | if you want to be safe then dont start it until its done |
| 09:05.39 | Maldivia | not planning to ... hurray for 100MBit :D |
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| 09:06.03 | nevcairiel | i have 50 and a fresh install is so quick, yay for fast internet |
| 09:07.48 | Maldivia | but I fucked up a bit with my WTF backup :( |
| 09:12.10 | Torhal | My turn. Decided to look and saw 55GB |
| 09:12.12 | Torhal | Nope. |
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| 09:13.19 | Maldivia | Torhal: well, I can tell you what a fresh install takes soonish |
| 09:13.32 | Maldivia | (Sooner than Soon(tm) though) |
| 09:13.50 | Torhal | What about Soon� |
| 09:14.04 | Maldivia | Sooner than that as well |
| 09:14.12 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 09:18.15 | Andols | Is there any way to determine how large the "hitbox" on a player/npc is? |
| 09:19.52 | Alram | not sure thats exposed to addons |
| 09:22.58 | Maldivia | @ 12.05 MB/s ... still feels slow... :D |
| 09:31.37 | Andols | Fishing is hard with GameObjForceMouseOver active :P |
| 09:32.17 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: Torhal: a fresh install is 37-38gb |
| 09:33.02 | Torhal | That's roughly 67% reduction. |
| 09:33.16 | Torhal | From 55 to 37 is insane. |
| 09:35.28 | VIad | will blizz make bnet include a slimcasc at some point? |
| 09:36.16 | nevcairiel | who knows, its not a critical problem for them, disk space is cheap these days |
| 09:36.54 | VIad | maybe simca will release his tool :d |
| 09:37.24 | nevcairiel | i will just keep re-installing it after major updates, ensures a proper clean layout |
| 09:42.19 | Simca | yeah, i just have to parse encoding before it works in any practical application (that doesn't involve shipping 100s of MB of files with the exe) and that is not fun |
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| 09:58.56 | Maldivia | hmm... I don't trust the battle.net client right now... @ 14.53 MB/s... that shouldn't be possible :D |
| 09:59.12 | nevcairiel | its displaying the amount of data it writes to disk, not what it downloads |
| 09:59.46 | Maldivia | ok, then the 14-15 makes more sense |
| 10:01.30 | nevcairiel | silly that they never fixed that |
| 10:02.44 | Maldivia | it is a bit misleading, since it says "Downloading: " |
| 10:18.02 | Maldivia | 35.3GB |
| 10:18.17 | Maldivia | so I scraped off about 19GB from my previous installation |
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| 10:26.38 | Maldivia | hmm, nope -- same shit -- starting WoW 3 times in a row, after quickly shutting it down -- "corrupt" |
| 10:26.55 | Maldivia | at least I installed it on an SSD this time, so hopefully it should be faster |
| 10:27.02 | nevcairiel | your system must have special problems, not heard that before or seen it myself |
| 10:28.33 | Maldivia | hmm, perhaps new version doesn't like symlinkd? |
| 10:28.58 | nevcairiel | what do you symlink? |
| 10:29.26 | Maldivia | AddOns folder |
| 10:32.29 | Maldivia | great, and the scan caused Agent to crash... this is going to be fun :D |
| 10:33.07 | nebula | symlink the entire addons folder? whats the point of that |
| 10:36.02 | Shockah | i'm doing that for syncing my addons on Dropbox |
| 10:36.11 | Shockah | symlinked Interface and WTF folders |
| 10:37.18 | Maldivia | nebula: well, it's an old setup I have, from when I had both US and EU installed, it was easier to have a common addons foloder, and simply symlink them in :D |
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| 11:31.37 | VIad | Semlar: the moonfang dreadhowl elites reset back to spawn |
| 11:31.41 | VIad | even if you keep attacking them :p |
| 11:32.57 | Torhal | Install took forever because my GF is watching HD Netflix and my son is probably blowing up YouTube, but my WoW size went from 55GB to 36GB. |
| 11:33.08 | Torhal | I don't give a shit how "cheap" disk space is, that's bullshit. |
| 11:34.24 | VIad | ^ |
| 11:34.38 | VIad | not everyone can DL the entire game in a resonable time |
| 11:34.46 | Torhal | Or without incurring fees. |
| 11:36.58 | VIad | died on moonfang, ran back, suddenly server sent me home, I didnt know I wasnt on home realm even :P |
| 11:37.08 | VIad | now moonfang is gone and I helped spawn him, took time :( |
| 11:37.18 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: data caps are such bullshit :C |
| 11:37.36 | VIad | TIL: phasing is a bitch when it happens outside of your control |
| 11:38.43 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: A worse offender is Microsoft, though, with the default-on P2P Windows Update to EVERYONE, that's hidden away. |
| 11:38.58 | Gnarfoz | it's in the options, not "hidden away" |
| 11:39.07 | Gnarfoz | but default on is a bit dumb, yes |
| 11:39.08 | Torhal | It's not up-front, and shouldn't default to on :P |
| 11:39.37 | Torhal | Sure, it doesn't work on a metered connection, but how many people are going to know "I need to say my connection is metered!"? |
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| 11:40.43 | Gnarfoz | perhaps everyone who has data caps should :> |
| 11:40.52 | Gnarfoz | does it even support data caps? I don't even know what that does |
| 11:41.12 | Torhal | No idea, I just know there's an option to tell WIndows 10 the connection is metered. |
| 11:41.34 | Gnarfoz | (that's not new to 10, btw) |
| 11:43.40 | nebula | there's an option to disable it when you're installing, too |
| 11:45.01 | Gnarfoz | not sure you get to see that when upgrading, though |
| 11:45.33 | Gnarfoz | alas, to anyone not satisfied with the options that are available or how they are presented, I always recommend https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 |
| 11:46.52 | VIad | Moonfang Dreadhowl feared me, ran in a straight line for 12 seconds. Evaded. >_> Semlar dont tell me bullcrap about mobs not acting different or not evading if you keep attacking - plenty of people around me attacked it while I ran feared |
| 11:47.17 | nebula | he has a strict area to stay in |
| 11:47.28 | nebula | you went out of that |
| 11:47.41 | VIad | it's bullcrap mechanic |
| 11:47.51 | VIad | miss vanilla when they just followed as long you kept attacking them |
| 11:48.14 | VIad | 30 yards is too small, you get feared and the AI makes you run and evade the mob :/ |
| 11:48.18 | VIad | bad design |
| 11:48.19 | nebula | they didn't want people kiting that shit to other people doing dmf shit |
| 11:48.48 | nebula | stop being bad maybe? |
| 11:50.30 | VIad | they should then add a invisible trigger line that makes it reset if it gets outside the confined area, so you can do what ever you want inside the woods |
| 11:50.50 | VIad | but that takes some coding and its too hard |
| 11:50.58 | nebula | they do, it's called evading |
| 11:51.01 | VIad | no |
| 11:51.18 | VIad | thats just a simple position-spawnPosition > 30 yards |
| 11:51.36 | zenzelezz | remember how "fun" it was every other day in BC when people pulled that one guy from atop the Black Temple to A'dal? |
| 11:51.55 | VIad | it would take some coding skill to add something to their ai template that defined an actual area in the woods and checked if they had crossed that border instead |
| 11:52.21 | nebula | yea, you're right, because that happens no where else in the game |
| 11:52.34 | VIad | evade mechanics differ from npcs |
| 11:52.46 | nebula | i'm just gonna stick with stop being bad |
| 11:52.47 | VIad | Semlar said they dont, that all mobs will never evade if you keep attacking them |
| 11:53.17 | VIad | equal worth as "git gud" |
| 11:55.26 | nevcairiel | Torhal: it asks you during windows install if you want the p2p updates to be on, so its hardly "hidden" <.< |
| 11:56.22 | Torhal | Ah, well, I didn't install it. I do know you have to go a layer or so deep to turn it off afterward, though. |
| 11:56.51 | Torhal | Before I got "business class" to get rid of my caps, my bill was insane the month after my GF and son installed theirs. |
| 11:57.12 | Torhal | When I found out about that setting, I found it and killed it with fire. |
| 11:57.17 | nevcairiel | traffic caps are stupid either way, get your ISPs some sanity |
| 11:57.56 | Torhal | That's an exercise in futility. Though four months after I locked myself into a three-year contract, they raised the cap from 300GB to 1TB. |
| 11:58.02 | Torhal | so... â»â⻠︵ ¯\_(ã)_/¯ ︵ â»ââ» |
| 11:58.33 | nevcairiel | 1TB is at least not that terrible, but if you frequently use netflix and the likes not sure how much that really uses |
| 11:58.50 | Torhal | I was regularly hitting 600GB or so every month. |
| 11:59.02 | nevcairiel | i typically wouldnt exceed 1tb, but i dont netflix |
| 11:59.07 | Torhal | Three people who are always online, plus Netflix and a teenager who loves YouTube |
| 11:59.10 | Torhal | Was killing me. |
| 11:59.43 | Torhal | Every 50GB "block" they auto-allocated was $10 |
| 11:59.53 | nevcairiel | yeah shit over caps is expensive |
| 12:10.27 | Gnarfoz | "greed is good" --that one guy |
| 12:39.41 | VIad | wc3 cheat code |
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| 12:50.48 | Gnarfoz | also based on that guy |
| 12:55.20 | znf | I'd probably bring a torch to my ISP if they capped my traffic and charged me for it |
| 12:55.25 | znf | What is this? 1999? |
| 12:56.13 | Stanzilla | just USA |
| 12:56.38 | znf | I do like 10GB/12 hours without even trying |
| 12:56.46 | znf | (ie: no torrents, no downloads etc.) |
| 13:01.33 | Kalroth | you're only supposed to check email and browse using your 100mbit connection |
| 13:02.22 | Kalroth | my old ISP had a 2500GB/mo cap, but they removed it because it was redundant |
| 13:05.01 | pompy | im still under unlimited in my area.. |
| 13:10.55 | Thunder_Child | Mine used to be unlimited. Not anymore. |
| 13:12.42 | Thunder_Child | At least it is tied to speed tier, so I can get more speed and a higher cap. |
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| 13:21.12 | Kalroth | i'm pretty sure it's unlimited here too, at least there's no known cap |
| 13:27.47 | VIad | TheDanW: in pet battle, the new nameplates can't display the proper health of the battle pets. just info. |
| 13:29.11 | VIad | picture: http://ss.bool.no/capture_1470576486.png |
| 13:32.07 | karl_w_w | zapp brannigan: the beginning https://gfycat.com/LinearGlamorousAmericanquarterhorse |
| 13:34.34 | Ressy | znf: Canada caps. Most caps are tiny. My cap with a wholesaler is 400gb |
| 13:34.48 | Ressy | which is higher than most. |
| 13:34.59 | znf | your internet sucks |
| 13:35.15 | Ressy | o.O |
| 13:35.41 | Ressy | we also don't have FTTH most places. |
| 13:35.48 | znf | like I said, it sucks |
| 13:35.49 | znf | :D |
| 13:35.52 | Ressy | lol |
| 13:36.33 | Ressy | I have FTTH, but I don't use it. No wholesale via it yet, and the prices are ridiculous. |
| 13:36.57 | Ressy | and theres caps on it too. $30 to make it unlimited |
| 13:37.31 | znf | meanwhile, I just pay 7.4â¬/mo for 100/100 unlimited |
| 13:37.36 | Ressy | geez |
| 13:38.11 | Ressy | I pay $67 with taxes for 35/3, 400gb |
| 13:38.36 | Ressy | I'm going to switch to 64.99 + taxes for 100/10 unlimited |
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| 13:46.28 | Torhal | Different provider, I assume? |
| 13:46.42 | Gnarfoz | how much is that in real money? |
| 13:46.43 | Torhal | Because going down in price for more capability seems odd if not. |
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| 14:29.16 | karl_w_w | what do you call somebody who studies optics |
| 14:30.33 | foxlit | an optical physicist. |
| 14:31.09 | karl_w_w | makes sense |
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| 14:35.56 | foxlit | Suppose I wanted to let you provide some default configuration values to a Lua module "foo" on a system-wide level; would requiring you to create a "foo.config" or a similar submodule be weird? |
| 14:37.40 | foxlit | (and what should be included in a release zip? Some kind of "rename me to this name and modify me with your settings" placeholder file?) |
| 14:39.15 | Ressy | Torhal: Definitely a different provider. |
| 14:39.30 | Torhal | Figured. |
| 14:39.42 | Torhal | Ok, three hours late to bed because I got into rewrite mode. |
| 14:39.46 | Ressy | Oddly enough, going from the wholesale company, to the wholesale provider. |
| 14:39.53 | Torhal | o.O |
| 14:39.56 | Ressy | wholesale prices are currently fucked up. |
| 14:40.56 | Ressy | There's a huge process and submissions to change the pricing was submitted a month ago.. CRTC's gonna be ripping out their hair cuz of wholesale providers jacking up prices to competitors, but dropping prices for direct customers (not really legal) |
| 14:41.12 | Ressy | We might get new wholesale pricing in 6 months. |
| 14:41.14 | Ressy | Maybe. |
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| 15:18.36 | chrisnolanca | Morning. Is there a "GlobalStrings.lua" equivilant for things to pass to PlaySound()/PlaySoundKit()? Specifically I'm trying to find out the sound that is played when a particular mount is mounted if I can... |
| 15:19.06 | nevcairiel | no, those are not things the UI does |
| 15:22.46 | chrisnolanca | darn. I was imagining playing a sound was just like displaying text in a UI sense and didn't see anything so thought I'd ask. thanks for the reply. |
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| 15:44.58 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/JSheltzer/status/762038687433629697 - lol |
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| 16:15.13 | fewyn | goodbye curse client |
| 16:15.17 | fewyn | i'm uninstalling you |
| 16:15.30 | Shockah | huh? why? |
| 16:15.38 | fewyn | curse app > curse client |
| 16:15.46 | Shockah | ...how so |
| 16:15.55 | fewyn | the curse app now has addon support |
| 16:16.05 | Shockah | and tons of stuff 90% people won't use |
| 16:16.06 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/UuyKmlN.png |
| 16:16.15 | fewyn | the curse client isn't going to be updated |
| 16:16.19 | nevcairiel | stuff you dont use also doesnt harm |
| 16:16.30 | nevcairiel | you can set it to startup in addon view and just ignore everything else |
| 16:16.39 | fewyn | i use some of the other stuff |
| 16:16.47 | fewyn | not all of it tho |
| 16:16.54 | Gnarfoz | "attempted to call a number value" - liar! |
| 16:16.57 | Shockah | bleh |
| 16:17.21 | Shockah | i hate being forced to use an addon/app if i'm only using it for one thing out of the 10 |
| 16:17.33 | Shockah | see: Curse app, Iskar Assist in the later versions |
| 16:17.38 | nevcairiel | that makes no sense though |
| 16:17.44 | Shockah | i hate bloat |
| 16:18.01 | fewyn | then you hate pretty much everything these days |
| 16:18.17 | Shockah | i can tolerate it up to some point |
| 16:18.40 | Shockah | but Iskar Assist is the prime example |
| 16:18.51 | Shockah | after version 0.16 or whatever |
| 16:19.05 | nevcairiel | you are free to hate things that you cant just silently ignore without them bothering you sure, but so far the curse app if configured that way just leaves you alone to update your addons only |
| 16:19.05 | Gnarfoz | so use the old version. |
| 16:19.24 | Gnarfoz | also, since you've obviously opted into an alpha test: give feedback to them. |
| 16:19.27 | Shockah | iirc IA broke with the prepatch |
| 16:19.42 | Shockah | i didn't :) |
| 16:19.46 | Gnarfoz | you did. |
| 16:19.49 | Shockah | i'm still happily using the Curse Client |
| 16:19.53 | Gnarfoz | WoW addons in Curse are not live yet |
| 16:20.05 | Shockah | i never said i'm using the Curse app |
| 16:20.08 | Gnarfoz | so why are you whining about it, if you're not even using it? |
| 16:20.11 | Shockah | i'm saying i know what it offers |
| 16:20.12 | Ressy | I personally don't like how you can only choose yes or no for scanning other social systems, and not individually select which ones are scanned. |
| 16:20.18 | nevcairiel | apparently he is one of those people Gnarfoz |
| 16:20.20 | nevcairiel | whine first, try later |
| 16:20.29 | Shockah | i'm whining because they're ditching the client in favor for their app |
| 16:20.38 | Gnarfoz | of course they are, the client has many problems. |
| 16:20.51 | Ressy | WoW addons are in alpha client of Curse App. You can manually decide to switch to alpha via the options. |
| 16:20.51 | Gnarfoz | (the client still existing is one of itself) |
| 16:21.02 | Shockah | i may just end up writing my own addon updater |
| 16:21.03 | Gnarfoz | yes, we've already said that. |
| 16:21.09 | Gnarfoz | good luck with that |
| 16:21.14 | Ressy | lol |
| 16:21.27 | fewyn | try mmoui minion? |
| 16:21.33 | Ressy | Others have done it, and gotten blocked. |
| 16:21.40 | Gnarfoz | lol, Minion |
| 16:21.42 | fewyn | it only works with addons on wowinterface |
| 16:21.44 | nevcairiel | which attempt at writing a client is minion now at? |
| 16:21.45 | nevcairiel | 5? |
| 16:21.49 | nevcairiel | all of them failed so far |
| 16:22.35 | Gnarfoz | (sorry, not sorry - the mythical wowi addon updater has become almost as much a running gag as "the new wowace" ;)) |
| 16:23.01 | nevcairiel | it actually existed through various periods of time Gnarfoz, it just was never very good |
| 16:23.04 | Ressy | Or the new Ace that's been in process by Kaelten for years. |
| 16:23.06 | Gnarfoz | I know I know |
| 16:23.33 | fewyn | the last one i used which now has been about 2 years ago was showing promise |
| 16:23.38 | fewyn | i haven't looked at it since |
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| 16:59.47 | zenzelezz | that moment when you go to look up an old episode of Air Crash Investigations and realize that a new season started six episodes ago \o/ |
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| 17:39.24 | karl_w_w | that moment when you stop watching bad shows :P |
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| 18:12.06 | Gnarfoz | mh |
| 18:12.58 | Gnarfoz | I have NumPad1 bound to set raid target marker 1 (via Blizz keybinds) and I'm now trying to make shift-numpad1 give me world marker 1 |
| 18:13.06 | Semlar | Details keeps calling SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 18:13.13 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: boo. fix it! |
| 18:13.52 | Semlar | it's in core\network.lua in their IsInCity function, it doesn't appear to care whether the map is currently open |
| 18:14.24 | Gnarfoz | I created a macro button that uses /worldmarker 1, registerforclicks "anydown" and SetBindingClick("Shift-NumPad1", buttonname) |
| 18:14.53 | Gnarfoz | yet, GetBindingByKey("Shift-NumPad1") reports "RAIDTARGET1" (i.e. the target marker) |
| 18:14.58 | Gnarfoz | what am I missing? |
| 18:15.10 | Gnarfoz | do blizz option keybinds and SetBindingClick things don't mix? |
| 18:15.27 | nevcairiel | should work fine, maybe the key syntax is just wrong |
| 18:15.44 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't GetBindingByKey complain, then? |
| 18:16.33 | Gnarfoz | GetBindingByKey"Shift-1" and "1" return different BT action buttons, so I assume that's the correct syntax |
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| 18:20.10 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: who makes Details! anyway? |
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| 18:20.19 | Semlar | tercioo |
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| 18:20.24 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 18:20.32 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tercio |
| 18:20.35 | purl | i haven't seen 'tercio', Gnarfoz |
| 18:20.57 | Gnarfoz | he should move his ass here, he's on quakenet |
| 18:21.00 | Semlar | ~seen tercioo |
| 18:21.00 | purl | tercioo <b3b1ca88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.177.202.136> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 771d 23h 43m 6s ago, saying: 'help, /script print (4/1000000) is returning 4e-006 instead of 0.000004, why?'. |
| 18:22.19 | Gnarfoz | weird, shift-numpad8 moves me backwards. |
| 18:22.36 | Gnarfoz | I guess maybe shift doesn't work with numpad, because it makes the keys act as if numlock was off oO |
| 18:23.19 | Gnarfoz | indeed. |
| 18:23.21 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 18:23.25 | Gnarfoz | that's kind of terrible :( |
| 18:23.55 | nevcairiel | cant you bind to the other key that it acts as then |
| 18:24.14 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 18:24.27 | Gnarfoz | if that has a different name than the function it emulates, maybe? |
| 18:24.32 | Gnarfoz | something like NUMPADDOWN? |
| 18:25.23 | Gnarfoz | (that's a bit annoying since I'm currently creating the buttons in a loop, doing lazy stuff like "NUMPAD"..i |
| 18:27.24 | Gnarfoz | cough, my keys have no legens, I'll have to go look up what's where. :P |
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| 18:32.37 | fewyn | i think blizzard hates me... why doesn't the find fish book drop :/ |
| 18:34.44 | Gnarfoz | doesn't seem to be possible that way, even the keybinding UI puts "End" there if I press shift-numpad1 |
| 18:34.55 | Gnarfoz | so I guess they don't/can't differentiate |
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| 18:51.15 | kullervo | I think find fish can only be found from fishing nodes or floating junk |
| 19:00.02 | fewyn | yeah |
| 19:00.08 | fewyn | i've been hunting zangarmarsh |
| 19:00.10 | fewyn | for 2 hours now |
| 19:00.19 | fewyn | i swear it used to drop a lot more often |
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| 19:03.48 | fewyn | finally [Weather-Beaten Journal] |
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| 19:21.31 | Tercio | Sup |
| 19:22.03 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: we did say his name 3 times, and now he's here! :D |
| 19:22.35 | Simca | tl;dr version of what they were talking about is that Details! is moving the map around in its IsInCity function |
| 19:22.36 | Semlar | what if he was here the whole time |
| 19:23.13 | Tercio | k let me see |
| 19:23.18 | Simca | you should probably instead use the HereBeDragons library, which gets map information without moving the map around |
| 19:25.05 | Semlar | he's actually only using it to check if you're in a "city" map, so he could replace that with GetPlayerMapAreaID() |
| 19:25.33 | Simca | and a hardcoded list of cities' worldMapIDs? |
| 19:25.46 | Semlar | he's already got a list of maps he's checking against |
| 19:25.54 | Simca | oh lol\ |
| 19:26.04 | nevcairiel | Semlar: GetPlayerMapAreaID doesnt work in dalaran |
| 19:26.17 | Semlar | well dalaran is dumb |
| 19:26.59 | Semlar | TheDanW: GetPlayerMapAreaID doesn't work for any dungeon maps / multi-level maps |
| 19:27.26 | nevcairiel | its also rather pointless to know the map id without the level for any half-useful mapping purposes |
| 19:27.28 | nevcairiel | so there is that |
| 19:27.37 | Semlar | he's literally just checking if you're in a city |
| 19:27.43 | Semlar | it doesn't matter what map you're on |
| 19:29.32 | Semlar | i don't know why, has something to do with a global channel he's joining |
| 19:29.54 | Semlar | probably some backdoor hax |
| 19:31.17 | Tercio | If the player is in Orgrimmar, but has the map opened (pressing M) showing Stormwing |
| 19:31.28 | Tercio | how do I know the player is in orgrimmar |
| 19:31.57 | Simca | GetPlayerMapAreaID() |
| 19:32.03 | Semlar | works for most maps |
| 19:32.08 | Semlar | you'd have to have a backup for dalaran |
| 19:32.40 | Semlar | but if you change the map you need to do it in a way that doesn't make the current map change while the player has it open |
| 19:32.46 | Semlar | because that is super annoying |
| 19:33.07 | Simca | tbh, addons moving the map at all is not good |
| 19:35.05 | Semlar | you can unregister WORLD_MAP_UPDATE from the map frame, switch the map to the current zone to check what it is, then set it back to what it was and reregister the event |
| 19:35.17 | Semlar | if you have to |
| 19:35.59 | Simca | but then you break many other addons that replace the map frame with one of their own |
| 19:36.13 | Simca | if you want to move the map, you're going to break some addon, somewhere |
| 19:36.14 | xmyno | you can also remember both GetCurrentMapAreaID() and GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel() |
| 19:36.54 | nevcairiel | changing the map back has a whole lot of special cases to handle |
| 19:37.04 | nevcairiel | if you want to go that way just use HBD, it does all that for you |
| 19:37.27 | Semlar | seems like there's probably a simpler way to check if you're in town |
| 19:38.33 | fewyn | i kinda wish i could play wow fishing with a controller... without the moving the mouse part on to the bobber part |
| 19:39.50 | Tercio | yeah, you guys are right, there is a SetMapToCurrentZone in details! |
| 19:40.18 | Tercio | is this breaking another addon or library ? |
| 19:43.05 | Semlar | it's changing the map while the player has it open |
| 19:43.15 | Semlar | every time you get a zone event |
| 19:45.38 | Semlar | this is an issue for the player, because they're trying to look at the map that they opened, and the addon keeps changing it |
| 19:48.17 | Tercio | got it, i could reproduce the issue here |
| 19:48.29 | Tercio | yeah, it's annoying indeed |
| 19:48.54 | Semlar | it was mostly really noticeable while i was trying to work on a map addon because it did it every time i reloaded my ui and opened my map |
| 19:49.00 | Tercio | thank you guys so much to pointing this out |
| 19:49.49 | Tercio | I'm sorry about that <Semlar> |
| 19:50.18 | Simca | jeeze, Tercio so nice |
| 19:50.29 | Semlar | too nice, it's making me uncomfortable |
| 19:50.36 | Semlar | torhal help |
| 19:52.39 | Semlar | TheDanW: cooldown frames don't update when you log in and just stay permanently stuck at 100% |
| 19:53.07 | Semlar | like if you used your hearthstone and logged out and back in, its cooldown spinner would never deplete |
| 19:54.41 | Semlar | probably has something to do with it thinking the start time is "4294921501" |
| 19:55.14 | nevcairiel | i had that happen when i rebooted windows, i figured it would somehow store it based on the system uptime (ie. GetTime()) |
| 19:56.35 | Semlar | it doesn't matter for my addon because it ignores the cooldown frame completely and just queries the real cooldown from the slot, but i think it affects the blizzard cooldown numbers |
| 19:57.04 | nevcairiel | it affects the cooldown information returned by the API as well, i think |
| 19:57.21 | Semlar | for the cooldown frame itself |
| 19:57.38 | Semlar | my addon is showing the correct time left |
| 19:57.58 | Semlar | so whatever api it's using is returning the right values |
| 19:58.56 | Semlar | i have no idea how my addon works so |
| 19:59.48 | Semlar | it looks like the cooldown frame doesn't even hide itself when the timer runs out since it isn't tracking it properly |
| 20:04.23 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: you should really fix the keybinding API, the amount of corruption that occurs now is just hilarious http://i.imgur.com/We6EfPl.jpg |
| 20:05.25 | Semlar | it looks like i'm just hooking the cooldown frame's SetCooldown method, which is being given the correct start and duration times |
| 20:05.41 | Semlar | which makes it even weirder that this doesn't work |
| 20:05.47 | nevcairiel | but then the default UI would also workk |
| 20:05.48 | Andols | Is there anything inside those categories? |
| 20:06.09 | nevcairiel | yeah a few bindings that are supposed to be elsewhere |
| 20:09.57 | nevcairiel | it looks like a serious buffer overread or something, but without getting it to crash they don't seem to give it high enough priority |
| 20:24.08 | mckenziemc | task Semlar with finding a way to exploit it for some nefarious purpose, so they'll reconsider its priority |
| 20:24.31 | Semlar | my keybinds look fine |
| 20:24.46 | mckenziemc | you clearly broke something |
| 20:24.53 | Semlar | :( |
| 20:25.32 | nevcairiel | one of my addons defines a whole lot of them, 140 or so, that seems to trigger the issue, although some other things also seem to do it |
| 20:29.27 | Simca | wow, the text in the side there of nev's screenshot is from the options panel of my pet battle addon |
| 20:29.31 | Simca | and it doesn't even use key binds |
| 20:29.45 | nevcairiel | yeah it randomly shows some strings from other addons |
| 20:29.48 | nevcairiel | sometimes just pure garbage |
| 20:30.49 | Semlar | must be trying to show one of my addons |
| 20:33.40 | Semlar | foxlit: links from https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/ redirect to /beta/ |
| 20:34.30 | Semlar | not sure if it makes any difference |
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| 20:58.57 | Thrae|pc | Lua doesn't have the direct equivalent of exceptions or error-catching, does it? And for WoW Lua, when does an addon error become fatal in that the script does not execute from that point on? |
| 21:01.35 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.7 |
| 21:07.13 | Simca | you can explicitly generate 'exceptions', like foxlit points out |
| 21:07.27 | Simca | it's a pretty horrid idea to do it generally, at least in WoW |
| 21:10.53 | Thrae|pc | Ahh, awesome! I had this idea of giving my addons a "compatibility mode" when its TOC is less than the current TOC that will catch errors and fallback to other methods when a function or global has substantially changed/disappeared. |
| 21:11.17 | pnorman | how would you get test coverage of something like that? |
| 21:11.50 | kd3 | better to just test the toc directly rather than trying to catch errors. if >=70000 do x else do y |
| 21:12.02 | Simca | ^ kd3 beat me to typing that |
| 21:12.04 | Thrae|pc | pcall returns false and the error message when it catches an error, so that could still be logged. |
| 21:12.36 | Simca | error catching for controlling the flow of execution is generally a bad idea |
| 21:13.18 | Simca | there's a pretty detailed history of changes and on a function by function basis, you should be able to make your addon support every version of WoW by hand |
| 21:13.48 | kd3 | ...but, unless you're doing something unsupported, you only need to care about live and beta/ptr |
| 21:16.36 | pnorman | supporting all versions would imply only using the set of features common to all versions which seems pretty restrictive |
| 21:16.37 | Semlar | but then how would you support private servers |
| 21:17.02 | Simca | pnorman: depends on what you're doing |
| 21:17.20 | Simca | a lot of functions have been around since vanilla, but have just changed form wildly |
| 21:17.28 | Thrae|pc | The thing is I may not be able to be there to make changes right away. Anyway I just thought it'd be fun to try and code, and if it works well then the code may be helpful to those popular large projects that can break for silly reasons, even if it's not optimal. |
| 21:18.38 | kd3 | learning to code is great. we're glad to help point people in the right direction... a not-insubstantial portion of the chat has been doing this for over a decade |
| 21:20.02 | Semlar | that doesn't sound right |
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| 21:21.04 | pnorman | it'll immediately exclude you from anything dealing with collections, transmog, BGs, queues in general, etc. Handling taint would be interesting too. |
| 21:23.41 | Semlar | can i put my entire addon in a pcall |
| 21:24.14 | Thunder_Child | That sounds like a personal question. |
| 21:24.25 | mckenziemc | if author name in toc is Semlar, then return end |
| 21:25.27 | foxlit | your entire addon is already in a pcall, Semlar. |
| 21:25.43 | Semlar | perfect! |
| 21:27.31 | foxlit | (and yeah, shared build tags are a little bad.) |
| 21:28.29 | foxlit | (I don't suppose you'd be much happier if it redirected beta to live instead.) |
| 21:28.56 | Semlar | i just wasn't sure if the builds were the same |
| 21:29.04 | Semlar | or if it was just redirecting to the beta for some reason |
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| 22:07.30 | Semlar | does anyone happen to know if you can get the damage range of a battle pet ability or if you have to parse the tooltip for it |
| 22:13.08 | Semlar | wait doesn't it color those, it must know what the damage range is |
| 22:15.12 | Simca | you can get tons of info about battle pet abilities |
| 22:15.18 | Simca | including the damage range |
| 22:15.38 | znf | lies |
| 22:16.31 | Semlar | too many functions |
| 22:17.47 | Simca | i don't remember the function but it was something very obvious |
| 22:18.31 | znf | ObviousFunctionThatReturnsDamage(id) |
| 22:18.36 | Semlar | well it wasn't GetAbilityInfo |
| 22:19.04 | mfgmfg | should hook addline and make every line on a tooltip a hyperlink so you can trace what function added it |
| 22:19.15 | Semlar | but then how would you click it hm |
| 22:19.53 | mfgmfg | persistent tooltip |
| 22:20.29 | Simca | it gave you tables i think |
| 22:21.18 | Semlar | seriously there are like a hundred functions here |
| 22:22.09 | Semlar | i'm guessing C_PetBattles.GetAbilityEffectInfo, but it wants a lot of parameters |
| 22:22.36 | Simca | http://www.mediafire.com/edit/6l372aao2un6yg9/OutputFile%206.0.2%20Beta%20Build%2018935.lua output from an old addon i made |
| 22:22.49 | Simca | that just dumped all of the pet battle abilities' info into tables |
| 22:24.18 | Simca | the parameter you want is like 'variance' or something - think it was added after i stopped doing this |
| 22:25.52 | Semlar | for _, paramName in pairs({C_PetBattles.GetAllEffectNames()}) do _=C_PetBattles.GetAbilityEffectInfo(422, 1, 1, paramName) if _ then print(paramName, _) end end |
| 22:27.13 | Semlar | seems like "points" is potentially the base damage of the spell |
| 22:29.23 | Semlar | i just need to figure out how to adjust it for the particular pet |
| 22:29.32 | LexSfX | how do you disable weather effects now? |
| 22:29.42 | LexSfX | i know you used to be able to permanently completely disable them |
| 22:29.51 | Semlar | i guess it's based on their level and power strength |
| 22:30.05 | zenzelezz | so... I was not allowed to name a pet "Whiskey", but "Whisky" was fine. Guess someone at Blizzard doesn't like the Irish |
| 22:30.21 | Semlar | reported |
| 22:30.39 | zenzelezz | I had no choice; I was following the NATO alphabet |
| 22:30.45 | zenzelezz | because I'm super creative |
| 22:31.36 | Gnarfoz | kd3: since you were on site... do you maybe have the link to the video of the fireside dev chat thing from last BlizzCon handy (where they explain the 16-slot backpack issue, among other things)? |
| 22:31.52 | Semlar | you named a pet "hotel"? |
| 22:33.23 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 22:33.30 | zenzelezz | and Zulu, Charlie, etc |
| 22:34.32 | Semlar | are you going to do numbers too |
| 22:34.43 | zenzelezz | if I have to |
| 22:34.51 | zenzelezz | but they're far less exciting |
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| 22:35.11 | foxlit | fs, teammate ai, would it kill you not to suicide in the ~6 seconds of the boss fight sandwiched between two annoying cutscenes? |
| 22:35.42 | Semlar | yes |
| 22:36.20 | foxlit | I also enjoy how it actively changes party composition to the worst possible one. |
| 22:37.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.15 | Semlar | --We use Lua to parse our tooltips instead of writing a custom parser to save development time. |
| 22:40.38 | Xuerian | .... |
| 22:41.53 | Semlar | to be fair this makes it easier to get what i want |
| 22:42.30 | Xuerian | It's just.. why. Has the base tooltip been serverside this whole time or something? |
| 22:43.05 | Semlar | i'm not really sure why this was faster for them to do it this way |
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| 22:53.28 | Torhal | Semlar: There is no helping you. |
| 22:53.35 | Torhal | What did you need help with? |
| 22:53.38 | kullervo | can I count the # of targets near me with a weak aura or something? |
| 22:56.23 | kullervo | I suppose I could fetch my damage modifier percentage but that'd only work with a specific talent |
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| 23:25.02 | foxlit | you could count the number of targets around you with a world frame. |
| 23:25.16 | foxlit | maybe even see their models or something. |
| 23:34.30 | ccox | Has anyone figured out how to get the item level of a linked item WITH The bonuses? GetItemInfo is only returning the base level, which doesnât match what the user sees (ie: iLevel 725 gloves return 680 from GetItemInfo) |
| 23:37.15 | ccox | So far I havenât found an API that returns the actual user visible level of items |
| 23:37.27 | Torhal | I thought link-parsing had to be done. |
| 23:37.40 | ccox | Whatâs weird is that GetItemInfo does return the quality based on bonuses, but not the level. |
| 23:38.21 | ccox | Torhal - if you mean parsing and manually adding in each bonus (and tracking the id of all bonuses), yeah, thatâs currently the only approach |
| 23:38.36 | ccox | Torhal: but thatâs fragile, and unweildy |
| 23:38.45 | Torhal | Yep :/ |
| 23:39.35 | Torhal | I'd blame Guill, but TheDanW is the only one here we can terrorize and I'm pretty sure he's simply forgotten to hop off IRC over the weekend. :D |
| 23:40.39 | ccox | Seems like Blizzard dropped the ball here, and either should return the level with bonuses, or have another API to get the level and quality with bonuses : GetItemInfoReality( ) |
| 23:40.48 | xmyno | Gnarfoz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx_C7LkB1Q8&feature=youtu.be&t=744 |
| 23:41.43 | ccox | Torhal: yeah, but TheDanW will probably get some markers in his log when he gets back to the machine |
| 23:42.27 | Torhal | That's the hope, anyway. |
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| 23:44.55 | kd3 | Gnarfoz: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5262-Engineering-Community-Amphitheater-Discussion |
| 23:45.22 | Gnarfoz | xmyno: thanks |
| 23:45.31 | Gnarfoz | kd3: also thanks ^^ |
