| 00:00.10 | Thunder_Child | That's when you want to clear the pvptalents cache. |
| 00:04.31 | Semlar | Xuerian: did you bump a post from 2007 |
| 00:04.33 | Ressy | snickers |
| 00:05.05 | Semlar | how did you even find this |
| 00:05.25 | Xuerian | There's only three pages in the forum he linked, I checked them before I posted. |
| 00:06.28 | Fisker | I want to sleep |
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| 00:13.24 | Guill | Semlar: Wasn't me! But TheDanW code-reviewed it, so I think we can all go ahead and blame him. |
| 00:14.44 | znf | oh my god Ressy |
| 00:14.50 | znf | get some colors in that IRC Client |
| 00:15.19 | mfgmfg | ~logs |
| 00:15.19 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 00:15.39 | mfgmfg | aw so i can't see what i missed until tomorrow? |
| 00:15.40 | Ressy | znf: I tried. My eyes started crossing more. |
| 00:15.44 | bshelden | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.27 | foxlit | I feel like automated tools should cry out in terror when you referene a global that does not exist. |
| 00:16.50 | Semlar | i'm honestly more concerned about these spaces instead of tabs |
| 00:17.23 | Stanzilla | foxlit: yeah that is quite scary |
| 00:17.24 | nebula | as someone use has a tabwidth of 2, i'm use to it |
| 00:17.31 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Util.lua#80 << good thing nobody calls that. |
| 00:17.38 | nebula | s/use/who/ |
| 00:17.48 | bshelden | AST first. Literally save the code in structured AST form. Let devs tinker with the pretty printer. |
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| 00:19.04 | Xuerian | From there move on to AST based diffs for version control. |
| 00:19.12 | bshelden | :D |
| 00:19.19 | Xuerian | thinks of a certain krieger quote involving "stop" |
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| 00:19.42 | Aftermathh | Hi |
| 00:19.47 | bshelden | I'm pretty convinced that editing code where the single source of truth is in the form of serialized lines of utf-8 is insane. |
| 00:20.55 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian: uh, ew. |
| 00:21.03 | Xuerian | to which |
| 00:21.16 | Thunder_Child | Your emote. |
| 00:21.23 | Xuerian | What's wrong with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM ? |
| 00:21.36 | Xuerian | EXCEPT |
| 00:21.39 | Xuerian | EXCEPT THE RELATED VIDEOS |
| 00:21.59 | Xuerian | THOSE ARE TOTALLY GREAT I mean you probably shouldn't let that video finish at work |
| 00:23.17 | znf | I bet Ressy codes in notepad |
| 00:23.22 | znf | windows notepad |
| 00:23.25 | Ressy | Sublime. |
| 00:23.27 | znf | no syntax highlight |
| 00:23.42 | znf | I don't believe you |
| 00:23.43 | Ressy | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rys93vp4unmdl43/Screenshot%202016-08-03%2020.23.32.png?dl=0 |
| 00:23.46 | Ressy | :P |
| 00:24.06 | mfgmfg | tab size: 8 |
| 00:24.07 | Xuerian | Ressy: get some https://github.com/Xuerian/Sublime-BetterLua up in that thing |
| 00:24.09 | mfgmfg | are you a monster |
| 00:24.20 | Ressy | I dunno.. Torhal started with 8 |
| 00:24.42 | Torhal | mfgmfg: That's what a goddamn tab is, Infidel. |
| 00:24.44 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:24.50 | znf | THE FUCK 8 ?! |
| 00:24.54 | Ressy | Xuerian: I just deal with the database. Not syntax. :P |
| 00:24.55 | znf | I do 2 |
| 00:25.01 | Semlar | 4 |
| 00:25.03 | Torhal | znf: And this was on an 80-column screen. |
| 00:25.14 | znf | Torhal, the fuck is wrong with you? |
| 00:25.15 | Torhal | znf: You're a monster. How the fuck do you read your code? :P |
| 00:25.24 | znf | how do you fit your code in the window? |
| 00:25.25 | Torhal | znf: Actual tabs are 8 spaces wide. |
| 00:25.36 | Ressy | znf: Full window for Sublime. Lots of room. |
| 00:25.36 | Torhal | On commandline, you don't have fancy editors. |
| 00:25.48 | znf | oh my god, you horrible people |
| 00:25.54 | znf | I do lots of html |
| 00:26.27 | Torhal | Seriously, let's ban opinions. |
| 00:26.35 | Torhal | Because I'm tired of znf being haughty. :D |
| 00:26.37 | Ressy | lol |
| 00:26.37 | znf | if I indent everything with 8 spaces, by the time I start placing my <nav> and <li>'s, I'm halfway on my screen |
| 00:26.55 | Ressy | Not a problem if the entire screen is Sublime. |
| 00:27.01 | Ressy | and 2 other screens for other stuffs. |
| 00:27.07 | Xuerian | what sort of heathen doesn't split their screen into at least two buffers |
| 00:27.19 | znf | ^ what he said |
| 00:27.22 | Thunder_Child | Someone with lots of screens. |
| 00:27.26 | Xuerian | EVEN THEN |
| 00:27.27 | Thunder_Child | I have 5. |
| 00:27.36 | Torhal | Also, znf doesn't have to work with our code, so he can go jump off a bridge with his opinions about how horrible we are. |
| 00:27.36 | Ressy | Someone with lots of screens doesn't need to split screen. |
| 00:27.37 | Xuerian | well unless they're not wide enough, in which case whatever. |
| 00:27.45 | Ressy | I'm thinking of getting a 4th screen now. |
| 00:28.00 | znf | pulls arl and readjusts everything to 2 spaces |
| 00:28.02 | Thunder_Child | I'd be happy with 6 30's. |
| 00:28.32 | Torhal | Seriously, leave me alone about my code. Unless you have to work with it, your opinion doesn't matter. |
| 00:28.39 | Ressy | 22,20,21. I need another. |
| 00:28.59 | znf | Ressy, that's on a 21?!?? |
| 00:28.59 | Xuerian | forecast just got overcast with a chance of serious |
| 00:29.00 | Thunder_Child | I have 2x24, 2x27, 1x28 and the 28 is 4K. |
| 00:29.04 | Ressy | yeah? |
| 00:29.11 | znf | be still my little hearth |
| 00:29.18 | bshelden | Note to self, never ever work with Torhal... |
| 00:29.21 | Ressy | was a work castoff I got free. |
| 00:29.29 | mfgmfg | i just noticed the flying mount changes are on live now |
| 00:29.35 | mfgmfg | no lean when turning in place, etc |
| 00:29.40 | Torhal | bshelden: Don't worry, I rarely collaborate. |
| 00:29.47 | Ressy | snickers |
| 00:29.53 | Ressy | He likes to swear at me |
| 00:29.57 | Ressy | He's mean like that. |
| 00:29.58 | nebula | Torhal is a usurper, not a collaborator |
| 00:30.13 | Torhal | nebula: Usurper? Ackis vanished! |
| 00:30.17 | Ressy | ^ |
| 00:30.19 | znf | Can you imagine editing a very deeply nested JSON file with 8 spaces? :o |
| 00:30.26 | nebula | so your story goes |
| 00:30.41 | Ressy | Oh damn. I can get a matching 22" monitor for $75 used on kijiji. |
| 00:30.56 | Thunder_Child | Ressy: You seriously need to get larger than that. |
| 00:30.57 | znf | I really want a 4k |
| 00:31.05 | znf | but they're so crazy expensive :-S |
| 00:31.11 | Thunder_Child | znf: it's problematic. |
| 00:31.20 | znf | well, not 4k |
| 00:31.21 | Thunder_Child | And not that expensive anymore. |
| 00:31.25 | znf | 1440p actually |
| 00:31.37 | Ressy | Thunder_Child: I bought my 22" for $40 used. |
| 00:31.39 | znf | I find 800⬠expensive :-/ |
| 00:31.58 | Thunder_Child | 1440p at what physical size? |
| 00:32.08 | Thunder_Child | Ressy: You should still get bigger... |
| 00:32.17 | znf | 27" |
| 00:32.20 | Stanzilla | 27 is the max size for me |
| 00:32.23 | Stanzilla | 30 is too large |
| 00:32.35 | Thunder_Child | 27 @ 1440p should not be that much. |
| 00:32.36 | mckenziemc | tabs are 8 spaces because they aren't meant for indenting code |
| 00:32.40 | znf | Thunder_Child, IPS. |
| 00:32.41 | znf | or bust |
| 00:32.55 | Thunder_Child | IPS for one person? Please. |
| 00:33.18 | Thunder_Child | Stanzilla: I had 3 30s at one point and I was quite happy with them. |
| 00:33.30 | znf | Cheapest is an Acer |
| 00:33.37 | znf | at 430⬠|
| 00:33.44 | znf | ...but I don't want an Acer |
| 00:33.58 | Thunder_Child | No kidding. |
| 00:34.00 | Stanzilla | Thunder_Child: I dont want to sit that far away from them that I dont have to move my head at that size |
| 00:34.02 | Torhal | Ressy: Plus I'm pretty sure Ackis was already using tabs when he brought me in. |
| 00:34.20 | Ressy | We both got roped in. |
| 00:34.23 | Stanzilla | Torhal: rest your case with the tabs, znf is retarded and it does not matter :D |
| 00:34.38 | znf | Stanzilla, you heathen, you don't tab at 8 spaces yourself |
| 00:34.42 | znf | Stop being a baddie :( |
| 00:34.50 | Stanzilla | I dont |
| 00:35.01 | Torhal | A tab is not 8 spaces. A tab is a fucking tab. |
| 00:35.04 | Stanzilla | I also dont argue with people about their preferences for hours because mine is different |
| 00:35.06 | znf | last time I checked WA's code, it was a mix |
| 00:35.15 | nebula | Stanzilla: liar |
| 00:35.16 | Torhal | Newer editors can display the tab as 2 spaces if you're weird like ZNF. |
| 00:35.17 | Stanzilla | WA is 2 spaces |
| 00:35.23 | Ressy | dear god. Refurbed 27", $680 nooooopes. |
| 00:35.34 | znf | My current one is 27", but only 1080p |
| 00:35.35 | Torhal | Two spaces is "may as well not even indent" |
| 00:35.35 | mckenziemc | (5:25:26 PM) Torhal: znf: Actual tabs are 8 spaces wide. |
| 00:35.40 | Stanzilla | nebula: when and where and who |
| 00:35.42 | mckenziemc | the wide was implied in my statement, silly |
| 00:35.45 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Yes. They are not 8 spaces. |
| 00:35.48 | nebula | Torhal: newer? pretty much any sane editor doesn't care |
| 00:35.48 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 00:35.49 | znf | It's actually a monitor with a tv-tuner (that's how it was advertised) |
| 00:35.55 | nebula | vim has been doing it since forever |
| 00:35.55 | Torhal | nebula: Commandline. |
| 00:36.27 | nebula | commandline what? |
| 00:36.38 | znf | Stanzilla, don't you have U2715H ? |
| 00:36.42 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 00:36.51 | Torhal | Doesn't matter. I'm done here. This is Windows versus Mac or Atari versus Amiga or X versus Y. |
| 00:36.52 | Torhal | Done. |
| 00:37.02 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 00:37.07 | znf | oh, right, Torhal is also using OSX |
| 00:37.09 | znf | weirdo |
| 00:37.34 | Stanzilla | fuck off :D |
| 00:37.39 | Stanzilla | what's with my monitor now, znf |
| 00:37.52 | Xuerian | I'm not sure if Torhal is just running with it or is actually serious atm |
| 00:37.53 | znf | Stanzilla, nothing, I was just looking at the available 27" IPS, 1440p |
| 00:38.05 | nebula | Torhal is a salty beast |
| 00:38.27 | znf | Stanzilla, it has USB ports, right? |
| 00:38.30 | Stanzilla | 1440p is horrible for WoW |
| 00:38.33 | Stanzilla | yes it does |
| 00:38.47 | Thunder_Child | I play wow @ 1440p. What's your issue? |
| 00:38.52 | Stanzilla | pixel perfect borders |
| 00:38.54 | znf | Do they work off the DP connector? Or the USB connection is required for the hub to work? |
| 00:39.03 | Stanzilla | dunno, dont use them |
| 00:39.06 | znf | oh :( |
| 00:39.13 | Xuerian | DP can carry USB too? |
| 00:39.14 | Torhal | Xuerian: I'm serious about being done with the conversation. This is akin to trying to talk religion or politics. |
| 00:39.20 | Stanzilla | ^ |
| 00:39.22 | Thunder_Child | znf: More than likely a usb connecter. |
| 00:39.22 | znf | last I checked, yes |
| 00:39.28 | mckenziemc | Torhal: or being trolled |
| 00:39.33 | znf | loves Torhal |
| 00:39.33 | Xuerian | Torhal: yeah but no one is actually serious. Except about everyone else being wrong, but I mean. not serious :| |
| 00:39.35 | znf | I only kid! |
| 00:39.46 | Stanzilla | you are a kid |
| 00:39.47 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 00:40.01 | znf | Xuerian, The interface is primarily used to connect a video source to a display device such as a computer monitor, though it can also be used to carry audio, USB, and other forms of data.[2] |
| 00:40.14 | Xuerian | Huh. |
| 00:40.38 | Stanzilla | anyway, if you dont care about pixel perfect borders, 1440p is in deed fine |
| 00:40.40 | Stanzilla | but I do |
| 00:40.43 | Stanzilla | and it sometimes annoys me |
| 00:40.57 | znf | Stanzilla, what borders are you talking about? and why doesn't it work? |
| 00:41.07 | znf | is it failing to compute the correct ui scale? |
| 00:41.19 | Stanzilla | no idea what the exact cause is |
| 00:41.40 | Stanzilla | but you get those extra pixel borders |
| 00:41.41 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/SjSdGle.png |
| 00:41.45 | znf | find out for me if your monitor can get USB from DP |
| 00:41.45 | Stanzilla | left side vs right side |
| 00:42.01 | Stanzilla | I dont give a flying fuck about usb from dp :D |
| 00:42.13 | znf | I want to remove clutter from my desk |
| 00:42.21 | Stanzilla | remove yourself |
| 00:42.22 | znf | would be nice to only have one wire from the PC to the screen :-S |
| 00:42.45 | znf | USB Type-C can in theory supply power for a screen, right? |
| 00:44.06 | Stanzilla | it does not have type c |
| 00:44.37 | znf | I know. I was daydreaming about future monitors |
| 00:44.43 | znf | As you can do DP over Type-C |
| 00:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything that puts the talent tomes on the talent screen yet? |
| 00:45.19 | znf | and USB PD 2 says it can push up to 100W (5A 20V) |
| 00:45.36 | znf | Mr_Rabies, to answer strictly to your question, yes |
| 00:45.43 | znf | there is an addon that does that |
| 00:45.53 | znf | I've seen it on WoWI I think |
| 00:45.55 | znf | No idea what's it called |
| 00:48.19 | znf | but, yes, a 27" 1440p monitor, with a DP over Type-C connector, that can get power and video on a single cable would be amaze-balls |
| 00:48.26 | znf | ...and probably cost half a Stanzilla |
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| 00:50.37 | mikma | AAAAH!!! SIDEFERN BOB!!! https://imgur.com/gallery/31oFIto |
| 00:51.27 | znf | mikma, should fix msbt instead! |
| 00:51.56 | LexSfX | msbt works though |
| 00:52.01 | znf | shht |
| 00:53.53 | Stanzilla | wrong mik |
| 00:53.53 | Stanzilla | you dik |
| 00:53.57 | znf | I know |
| 00:53.58 | znf | :( |
| 00:54.05 | znf | I just like asking him about MSBT |
| 00:54.59 | Torhal | [19:27:07] Xuerian:what sort of heathen doesn't split their screen into at least two buffers <-- My team lead used to make fun of me for doing that. |
| 00:55.14 | Torhal | "Visual Studio has tabs for a reason" |
| 00:55.16 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:55.18 | Xuerian | heh |
| 00:55.19 | Xuerian | heheheh |
| 00:55.29 | nebula | shakes his head |
| 00:55.36 | Torhal | s/team/old team/ |
| 00:55.53 | Torhal | I have multiple tabs and splits. |
| 00:56.20 | Xuerian | is mildly surprised his existing eye twitch didn't just get worse from the last half hour in the channel. |
| 00:56.58 | Predicate | I don't split within my editor, because I use multiple editor windows for that. My tiling window manager has way more flexibility for arrangement than my editor does. |
| 00:57.43 | Xuerian | Sure, same end result |
| 00:57.51 | znf | Ctrl+A+% Ctrl+A+| |
| 00:57.55 | znf | split everything |
| 00:58.05 | Xuerian | how do you do ctrl+a+% |
| 00:58.15 | nebula | more like select everything |
| 00:58.16 | Xuerian | hell how do you do either of those |
| 00:58.24 | znf | ctrl+a+% |
| 00:58.26 | znf | ?! |
| 00:58.41 | Xuerian | ctrl+shift+a+5? |
| 00:59.03 | znf | ctrl+a then % |
| 00:59.05 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/1QG0u97.png |
| 00:59.11 | znf | shift+5, yes |
| 00:59.20 | Xuerian | ctrl+a % and ctrl+a |, aha |
| 00:59.51 | znf | either byobu or tmux is fucking up here |
| 01:00.10 | znf | horizontal splits is keeping my CWD |
| 01:00.15 | Predicate | Needs more dvtm |
| 01:00.15 | znf | vertical ones aren't |
| 01:00.28 | znf | is/are |
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| 01:34.29 | Kee | â "World server is down" I hate this :( |
| 01:34.57 | Torhal | I blame Kaelten. |
| 01:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | did the names of any of these change? http://pastebin.com/wL401aNx |
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| 01:38.52 | Ressy | Don't blame Kaelten. He's got a migraine. |
| 01:39.46 | Torhal | That's why the World Servers are down. |
| 01:40.55 | Ressy | Naw. Its another ddos. |
| 01:41.28 | Torhal | I like my version better. |
| 01:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | libjostle is hecka broken in legion |
| 01:41.35 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 01:42.51 | Ressy | break all the things? |
| 01:45.38 | Mr_Rabies | Arrowmaster` pls the jostlin' fix it :< |
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| 01:48.00 | p3lim | I don't get how they can break all the servers at the same time though |
| 01:48.13 | p3lim | EU/US on both live and beta, just gone |
| 01:48.37 | Kee | World Server should be Immune to DDOS |
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| 01:55.30 | kullervo | do you know hwo DDOS works |
| 01:55.44 | ShaunDreclin | How do you get the width of a resizable frame? :GetWidth() is just returning the initial width I set |
| 01:56.04 | Torhal | We don't help with private servers. |
| 01:56.12 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:56.16 | ShaunDreclin | I'm not talking about a private server? |
| 01:56.36 | Torhal | Except that yesterday you were, so now I just assume that's what you're on about. |
| 01:56.39 | nebula | GetWidth() should reflect the current width |
| 01:57.09 | ShaunDreclin | Hmm odd |
| 02:00.56 | Ressy | Bhell user. Poor poor person. |
| 02:01.46 | ShaunDreclin | Comcast of the north |
| 02:02.46 | Ressy | Iunno. I actually like Comcast better despite their misdeeds. Mainly cuz Comcrap hasn't sued me, unlike Bhell. |
| 02:03.04 | ShaunDreclin | You've had both? |
| 02:03.09 | Ressy | no |
| 02:05.42 | ShaunDreclin | when did bell sue you then lol |
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| 02:08.18 | Kee | since World Server is down⦠Q: Is there any policy against OnReadyCheck/OnPull addon Chat spam? (I mean different addons displaying "Missing flask" etc independing on each others). I saw ExRT implemented some scratchy addonMessage with prefix "raidcheck" and message either "FOOD" "FLASK" or "RUNES", but it does not cooperates beetween addons proper |
| 02:08.18 | Kee | ly (it's method needs to be reworked) |
| 02:08.56 | Bloo | it cooperates with other versions of ERT at least |
| 02:09.02 | Bloo | so only one person in the raid with ert spams |
| 02:09.53 | Kee | yeah⦠but still, it fails to cooperate with otehr addons (like RaidBuffStatus). |
| 02:10.07 | kd3 | eventually enough users will complain to the addon authors to fix it |
| 02:10.37 | kd3 | as long as addons aren't getting hit by the chat throttle or aren't causing server issues, I doubt blizzard could care less |
| 02:12.53 | Kee | I can't understand why ExRT allows to stop futher Chat Messages about Raid Buffs only for players with⦠character being before in alphabet. That looks crazy. |
| 02:15.22 | ShaunDreclin | Ah interesting getwidth is working fine, it's just that when I'm calling it the width hasn't been "updated" by wherever the resized frame dimensions are stored |
| 02:15.46 | ShaunDreclin | is there an event I should wait for to make sure all that stuff has been loaded in? I'm just doing stuff plain in the lua file |
| 02:17.19 | mfgmfg | EVENT_DATA_HAS_BEEN_LOADED |
| 02:17.35 | ShaunDreclin | har har |
| 02:17.51 | Ressy | ShaunDreclin: Bell sued me early 2015 along with other activists. We got in their way of violating Net Neutrality. |
| 02:18.06 | Ressy | Court decided against Bell so I'm off the hook now. |
| 02:18.13 | ShaunDreclin | Oh that haha |
| 02:18.18 | ShaunDreclin | that's not as a customer though |
| 02:18.22 | Ressy | oh god no |
| 02:18.35 | Ressy | I pay my bills. I still think they're jackasses. |
| 02:18.39 | ShaunDreclin | xD |
| 02:18.42 | ShaunDreclin | yeah |
| 02:18.48 | ShaunDreclin | if there was a different option I'd be using it, but I like fiber |
| 02:19.17 | Ressy | THey installed ftth to my place back in December, went live in April. Prices are stupid though. |
| 02:19.36 | ShaunDreclin | haha |
| 02:20.01 | Ressy | better going rogers for 100/10 for 64.99 with unlimited usage. |
| 02:20.28 | ShaunDreclin | We're paying 40 dollars at our place to have a landline just for the door buzzer |
| 02:20.33 | ShaunDreclin | is pretty ridiculous |
| 02:21.00 | Ressy | ouch. I got a # from teksavvy (voip) just for door buzzer. I didn't want to give them my cell # |
| 02:21.20 | ShaunDreclin | Hmm voip might be a good option |
| 02:21.24 | Ressy | nods |
| 02:21.37 | ShaunDreclin | we need something that anyone in the apt can answer which is why we didn't have it go to a cell |
| 02:22.10 | ShaunDreclin | I cant believe 40 dollars is their "lite" phone package |
| 02:22.14 | Ressy | ouch |
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| 02:23.58 | mckenziemc | i don't get why you need a landline for a door buzzer |
| 02:24.06 | mckenziemc | can't you just use the house wiring? o.O |
| 02:24.12 | ShaunDreclin | apartment |
| 02:24.37 | ShaunDreclin | need a phone number for people to call you on the keypad at the door |
| 02:24.42 | ShaunDreclin | then you press 9 to buzz them in lol |
| 02:24.50 | nebula | like outside the building, not at your door |
| 02:25.01 | ShaunDreclin | mhm |
| 02:25.03 | Ressy | most buildings here have switched to digital buzzers for buildings, which requires a number to call |
| 02:25.14 | Ressy | instead of using internal wiring.. |
| 02:25.31 | Ressy | Apartment buildings here were built before 74. 74 is when rent-control went in. |
| 02:25.33 | mckenziemc | *shrug* |
| 02:27.08 | ShaunDreclin | oh wow dsl has gotten better since I last had it |
| 02:27.24 | ShaunDreclin | 50 down 10 up, 400gb/month for 60 bucks and 0.25$/gb overage |
| 02:27.27 | ShaunDreclin | with teksavvy |
| 02:27.30 | Ressy | We've got some really cool gear in the basement from the fiber to the unit installation over winter. |
| 02:28.01 | Ressy | ShadniX: I'm with Teksavvy, and that 400gb/month I'm pushing it monthly. |
| 02:28.10 | ShaunDreclin | haha |
| 02:28.23 | ShaunDreclin | yeah last I checked we used about a tb per month |
| 02:28.27 | ShaunDreclin | but the overage is capped at 50 bucks |
| 02:28.31 | ShaunDreclin | so it ends up being ~110 |
| 02:28.33 | Ressy | Just from game updates, netflix, my munchkin watching netflix.... |
| 02:29.05 | mckenziemc | i wonder if you could rig something with google voice and some VoIP hardware |
| 02:29.35 | Ressy | Voip.ms would probably be cheapest. |
| 02:29.46 | ShaunDreclin | oh wow they actually offer an uncapped plan for 70/month. that is really good o_o |
| 02:29.50 | ShaunDreclin | damn I think Im gonna switch |
| 02:30.13 | Ressy | If you switch, let me refer you.. I get a $1/month discount then. :P |
| 02:30.19 | ShaunDreclin | hahah |
| 02:30.28 | Ressy | I referred Ackis. :P |
| 02:30.40 | ShaunDreclin | my mum would probably bug me for it, she's with them too on a cheaper plan |
| 02:31.04 | p3lim | that is rough, I can get 150/150 fiber with cable included for that price, no caps |
| 02:31.18 | ShaunDreclin | yeah we don't have fiber to the house in most places yet |
| 02:31.21 | ShaunDreclin | just to the block |
| 02:31.28 | Ressy | p3lim: Teksavvy is FTTN wholesale pricing. |
| 02:31.38 | Ressy | We're going through another costing process atm, to get costing lessened. |
| 02:31.44 | Ressy | But it takes forever. |
| 02:31.47 | ShaunDreclin | haha |
| 02:31.48 | Ressy | Then prices will drop. |
| 02:31.56 | ShaunDreclin | Im kind of annoyed that they banned 3 year contracts |
| 02:32.03 | ShaunDreclin | all that did is make the 2 year contracts more expensive |
| 02:32.08 | Ressy | And then FTTH costing because Bell/Rogers/Telus have already been smacked by CRTC and told no they can't put it off. |
| 02:32.31 | mckenziemc | i can get... 3/.5 for $40 with a discount that ends in a couple months... |
| 02:32.37 | Ressy | ouch |
| 02:32.40 | ShaunDreclin | yikes |
| 02:32.43 | ShaunDreclin | rural? |
| 02:32.51 | Ressy | we were similar til wholesale went into place. |
| 02:33.09 | mckenziemc | i'm more concerned about the price than the speed though |
| 02:33.09 | Ressy | Suddenly speeds seriously increased, prices decreased. |
| 02:33.12 | p3lim | Ressy: got FTTH here |
| 02:33.17 | p3lim | entire city |
| 02:33.54 | Ressy | Ah. Bhell's wiring all of Toronto. I'm glad they're finally getting to my work. We're stuck on 6mbps dsl. We COULD get maybe 20mbps, if they bond, and we take TV. |
| 02:34.35 | Ressy | Rogers pushed gig speeds on cable to the entire city. |
| 02:36.04 | ShaunDreclin | Toronto brofist |
| 02:36.16 | Gnarfoz | gig in one direction, what in the other? |
| 02:36.53 | ShaunDreclin | 50mbps up |
| 02:37.01 | Gnarfoz | that's terrible |
| 02:37.02 | Ressy | Rogers is 1gig/50 |
| 02:37.08 | Ressy | Bhell is 940/100 |
| 02:37.12 | Gnarfoz | well, not terrible, but a terrible ratio |
| 02:37.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:37.15 | ShaunDreclin | Yeah idk why it's capped so low |
| 02:37.24 | ShaunDreclin | I guess so they can push more into the download? |
| 02:37.27 | Gnarfoz | because cable is shared medium and is just limited that way |
| 02:37.30 | ShaunDreclin | I'm not totally sure on how that works technically |
| 02:37.37 | Ressy | channel bonding on cable. |
| 02:37.48 | ShaunDreclin | yeah there's only so much you can put up/down a wire at once |
| 02:37.50 | Ressy | I mean, Rogers only started channel bonding in the city for upstream channels back in 2009. |
| 02:38.02 | Ressy | So.. Going from .5mbps to 50mbps in 7 years isn't bad. |
| 02:38.11 | Gnarfoz | if you could get 50/50, yes |
| 02:38.12 | ShaunDreclin | hah yeah |
| 02:38.13 | Stanzilla | it is though :o |
| 02:38.20 | ShaunDreclin | I remember shoutcast streaming |
| 02:38.22 | Gnarfoz | but you only get it wit 1000/50... |
| 02:38.23 | ShaunDreclin | at super low bitrates |
| 02:38.25 | ShaunDreclin | cause I was on .6 |
| 02:38.31 | ShaunDreclin | .7* |
| 02:38.32 | Ressy | lol |
| 02:38.54 | ShaunDreclin | I wonder if anyone still shoutcast streams |
| 02:39.01 | ShaunDreclin | I guess it's all about video streaming now |
| 02:39.32 | Gnarfoz | anyway, cable has it easy, they can just throw more channels at it to increase bandwidth - if the rest of their system has the appropriate capacity |
| 02:39.39 | ShaunDreclin | haha |
| 02:39.58 | Ressy | I remember when Rogers was 4x1 channels.. Its now 32x3 channels |
| 02:40.23 | ShaunDreclin | lmfao, one of the "features" of the $150/month plan at rogers |
| 02:40.25 | Ressy | Gnarfoz: Rogers ended up having to switch from Analog Cable TV to Digital to free space for channels. |
| 02:40.29 | ShaunDreclin | is it comes with 9 email accounts |
| 02:40.30 | nebula | Gnarfoz: except they throw a hissy about how hard it is and how much it costs whenever they do upgrade |
| 02:40.34 | ShaunDreclin | Yay email accounts, I've always wanted email! |
| 02:40.47 | Ressy | Tip: Don't use an ISP email account. ;P |
| 02:40.47 | nebula | and how unfair peering arrangements are |
| 02:40.52 | ShaunDreclin | Hah yeah |
| 02:41.01 | ShaunDreclin | Boy I sure would love to lose access to my email if I ever change ISPs |
| 02:41.19 | Ressy | I lost access to my damned Yahoo account because I left Rogers. |
| 02:41.23 | Ressy | They couldn't unmerge them. |
| 02:41.25 | ShaunDreclin | `wow lol |
| 02:41.28 | Gnarfoz | nebula: of course, must keep up the pretense |
| 02:42.54 | Ressy | I'm such a telecom wonk. >.< |
| 02:43.52 | mckenziemc | http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/2/12360620/china-TEB-elevated-straddling-bus-unveiled |
| 02:44.21 | Ressy | They've been talking about bringing those to Toronto cuz our streets are a mess... They look interesting. |
| 02:44.28 | Gnarfoz | getting rid of analog cable tv is pretty common btw |
| 02:44.33 | Ressy | nods |
| 02:45.13 | Ressy | Rogers' main thing was to increase upload channels, so to increase speeds. They started just a few months after CRTC forced wholesale on them. |
| 02:47.03 | Gnarfoz | doesn't sound like they did, if you still only get 50 up with 1000 down :P |
| 02:47.08 | Ressy | lol |
| 02:47.25 | Ressy | They're currently bonding only 3 channels for upload. |
| 02:47.40 | Gnarfoz | so everyting as before. |
| 02:47.43 | Gnarfoz | +h |
| 02:47.47 | Ressy | However, they're fairly wide ones. |
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| 02:48.49 | Gnarfoz | about half as wide as the download channels, if that 32/3 number was for 1000/50 |
| 02:48.53 | Ressy | uhh.. dafuq. Apparently I'm not bonding channels atm.. Something's nutso. I should reboot my modem. |
| 02:49.13 | Gnarfoz | #JustCableThings |
| 02:49.28 | Ressy | My modem thinks its offline. |
| 02:49.33 | Gnarfoz | you might be |
| 02:49.46 | Ressy | I'm definitely not. |
| 02:49.56 | Gnarfoz | how can you be sure? :D |
| 02:50.16 | Gnarfoz | ...if your eyes aren't real |
| 02:53.15 | Ressy | I hope the building maintenance guys didn't clip my line.. >.< They ripped out a concrete barrier off my balcony where the ftth/rogers cables go through a conduit.... |
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| 03:05.59 | Stanzilla | AmiYuy: your new can I mog it bag overlay option drops my framerate to 5fps :D |
| 03:06.43 | Stanzilla | oh wait, it's actually "unknown items only" |
| 03:06.45 | Semlar | one time i made an addon that scanned my bags for toys to automatically learn them |
| 03:06.47 | Stanzilla | I goes your loop goes crazy |
| 03:07.04 | Semlar | i had to disable it because it killed my game |
| 03:07.16 | Stanzilla | yeah I had 3 fps or so right now |
| 03:07.32 | Semlar | it's probably doing something similar |
| 03:07.43 | Semlar | those bag events fire a lot |
| 03:07.52 | Torhal | overlays Semlar with a mushroom. |
| 03:08.13 | Semlar | torhal help how do i ace |
| 03:09.17 | AmiYuy | Stanzilla: Thanks, will look at that in a minute. It's supposed to be caching them so... :/ |
| 03:09.29 | Semlar | this page doesn't have enough examples |
| 03:09.54 | Semlar | like an actual fully functional script for a tree group would be nice |
| 03:10.11 | Stanzilla | that was probably the wrong channel but I agree :D |
| 03:10.32 | Semlar | are you saying i should be complaining to nevcairiel |
| 03:10.51 | Semlar | alright i need an addon that already uses acegui |
| 03:11.01 | Semlar | so i can see how to actually use it |
| 03:12.04 | Semlar | how do i reverse relationship this |
| 03:12.30 | Stanzilla | AmiYuy: also (not a new problem) are you maybe not inserting your tooltip line at the bottom? http://i.imgur.com/lZ2nOz4.png |
| 03:12.53 | Stanzilla | I have an addon that could fuck this up so it might just be my problem, still asking though |
| 03:13.04 | Semlar | possibly not showing the tooltip after adding the line |
| 03:13.18 | Semlar | or not putting something for the first string of AddDoubleLine |
| 03:13.39 | Stanzilla | Semlar: and I think the ora3 cooldown options are pure AceGui, right? nebula |
| 03:14.38 | Semlar | first result for acegui in this script is a variable called "aceguihacky" |
| 03:14.47 | Semlar | i like where this is going |
| 03:14.54 | nebula | most are, i mixin aceconfig stuff |
| 03:15.10 | AmiYuy | Stanzilla: I've seen that in multiple screenshots, he's using AddDoubleLine, is there some way to make it be last on the tooltip? |
| 03:15.24 | Torhal | Semlar: Why are you using AceGUI directly? |
| 03:15.31 | Torhal | Everyone does that (probably because of the damn name) |
| 03:15.48 | Semlar | erm |
| 03:16.00 | Semlar | what else would i be using |
| 03:16.10 | Torhal | What are you trying to do? |
| 03:16.12 | nebula | because if you want low level access to placement it's just as good as a homebrew set of create functions |
| 03:16.13 | Stanzilla | the answer is because we have no aceoptiosn table |
| 03:16.14 | Semlar | make a gui? |
| 03:16.24 | Torhal | Use frames. You know how to do that. |
| 03:16.33 | Torhal | AceGUI was primarily written for AceConfig. |
| 03:16.41 | Semlar | yeah but ace like prevents me from using any of the normal frame functions |
| 03:16.44 | Torhal | But people see GUI and go "I can make all my frames with this!" |
| 03:16.55 | Semlar | i don't know how to use this |
| 03:17.05 | Torhal | Don't :) |
| 03:17.09 | Semlar | >_> |
| 03:17.17 | Semlar | but stanzilla already made a tree thing |
| 03:17.29 | nebula | fuck Stanzilla |
| 03:17.29 | Torhal | He's probably made a widget for AceConfig |
| 03:17.35 | Torhal | Anyway, Semlar https://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-gui-3-0/ |
| 03:17.37 | Semlar | no |
| 03:17.38 | Stanzilla | it's perfectly fine to use acegui without aceconfig |
| 03:17.58 | Torhal | Yeah, but not to replace actual frame-making like most people try to do. |
| 03:18.27 | Stanzilla | ok then |
| 03:18.48 | AmiYuy | Stanzilla: What addon is adding the ItemID and Vendor price? (Or what is your tooltip addon?) |
| 03:19.00 | Stanzilla | idTip and auctionator |
| 03:19.11 | AmiYuy | Thanks |
| 03:19.15 | Torhal | Try looking for AceGUI in the WowAce forums and you'll see all the awesome posts by people just trying to make an AddOn that saw GUI and went OMG! |
| 03:19.22 | Semlar | are you calling show after you add your line, have i already asked this |
| 03:20.00 | Semlar | if you don't show the tooltip it won't resize it |
| 03:20.19 | Stanzilla | Torhal: no I trust you, obviously I was the same :D |
| 03:21.30 | Semlar | and the first string for AddDoubleLine is not optional |
| 03:21.36 | Semlar | you have to put a space in there or something |
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| 03:26.52 | mfgmfg | fun with macros: /run LibStub('LibItemSearch-1.2').Filters.xm={canSearch=function(s,o,x) return not o and x=='xm' end,match=function(s,l) local t=CanIMogIt:GetTooltipText(l) return (t==CanIMogIt.UNKNOWN or t==CanIMogIt.UNKNOWABLE_BY_CHARACTER) end} |
| 03:27.32 | TorelTwiddler | what does that do? |
| 03:27.40 | TorelTwiddler | <CIMI author |
| 03:27.51 | mfgmfg | then i can type in bagnon 'xm' and it shows me items i can learn on the char or another char |
| 03:28.08 | mfgmfg | without having to mouse over stuff |
| 03:28.21 | TorelTwiddler | hah |
| 03:28.29 | TorelTwiddler | awesome, I was actually going to implement something like that |
| 03:28.32 | Stanzilla | oh if TorelTwiddler is actually here I dont have to highlight AmiYuy with my problems |
| 03:28.33 | TorelTwiddler | mind if I steal it? |
| 03:28.38 | Stanzilla | Ill just highlight you both, ha! |
| 03:28.49 | mfgmfg | http://pastebin.com/raw/Xx0LaBzp do what you like TorelTwiddler |
| 03:28.51 | TorelTwiddler | Yeah, I just started a dungeon right when she told me you had issues =P |
| 03:29.16 | TorelTwiddler | Sweet, thanks! |
| 03:30.09 | mfgmfg | i was thinking about adding highlight/glow to icons automatically but i wasn't sure how to go about doing that |
| 03:34.16 | AmiYuy | Stanzilla: Whatever works ;P |
| 03:36.51 | Stanzilla | what semlar said about the problem is probably enough |
| 03:48.57 | TorelTwiddler | So how do you guys normally deal with caching? |
| 03:49.21 | TorelTwiddler | I'm attempting to cache stuff, but Blizzard doesn't return real data for a very long time after log in |
| 03:49.55 | TorelTwiddler | I'm attempting to guess when they start returning real data, but it's quite difficult |
| 03:55.08 | Thunder_Child | Stanzilla: When you get a chance linky a screenshot with the pixel issue you are talking about. |
| 03:55.50 | Stanzilla | Thunder_Child: http://i.imgur.com/SjSdGle.png |
| 03:56.19 | Thunder_Child | Stanzilla: The fact that the right side is wider than the left? |
| 03:56.22 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 03:57.03 | Thunder_Child | Are you sure it is the res? I am not seeing that on my tooltips. |
| 03:57.39 | Stanzilla | it's a combination of lots of things including the ui scale in position calculation etc |
| 03:57.47 | Stanzilla | but I was never able to make it work in 1440p |
| 03:57.50 | Stanzilla | only in 1080p |
| 03:58.06 | Stanzilla | Kesava could probably write a book about it, he hates it even more than I do |
| 03:58.41 | Thunder_Child | I guess you will just have to play on a 4K monitor then. |
| 03:58.46 | AmiYuy | lol |
| 03:59.01 | Stanzilla | no joke, atm it looks like 1080p or 4k and between that you're fucked |
| 03:59.04 | Stanzilla | but maybe Kesava knows more |
| 04:00.02 | Thunder_Child | I'd play wow at 4K, but currently I am only getting ~43 fps @ 1440p with ultra settings. I would hate to think what 4K will do. |
| 04:00.43 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 04:02.18 | Thunder_Child | Well, that and I keep forgetting to take my 4K home from work. |
| 04:02.26 | Semlar | you can't just guess at when it starts returning valid data |
| 04:03.11 | TorelTwiddler | Semlar: then what do you do? |
| 04:03.14 | Semlar | information for an item is valid after GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED |
| 04:03.33 | TorelTwiddler | but not for appearance sources =( |
| 04:03.41 | Semlar | call GetItemInfo |
| 04:04.30 | TorelTwiddler | I do, if GetItemInfo doesn't return valid data, it gets thrown away |
| 04:04.50 | Semlar | GetItemInfo triggers that event |
| 04:05.02 | TorelTwiddler | Waiting for GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED doesn't tell me when the transmog source information is ready, though |
| 04:06.30 | Semlar | oh? |
| 04:07.12 | mfgmfg | will it fire another event for it? |
| 04:07.26 | TorelTwiddler | none that I see |
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| 04:07.47 | mfgmfg | which function gives the appearance source info? |
| 04:07.49 | Semlar | what function is not giving you the data that you want |
| 04:08.58 | TorelTwiddler | So, before any of the rest of this is run, GetItemInfo is returning real data, not nil |
| 04:09.36 | TorelTwiddler | C_TransmogCollection.PlayerHasTransmogItemModifiedAppearance(sourceID) does not always return real data when GetItemInfo does |
| 04:09.57 | TorelTwiddler | neither does C_TransmogCollection.PlayerHasTransmog(itemID) |
| 04:10.21 | Semlar | those functions are both almost completely useless anyway |
| 04:10.28 | TorelTwiddler | lol |
| 04:10.42 | TorelTwiddler | that's how I'm getting transmog information =P |
| 04:11.01 | TorelTwiddler | they are both accurate, when they don't return garbage data when first logging on |
| 04:11.19 | TorelTwiddler | once they start giving good data, they work fine afterwards |
| 04:11.29 | TorelTwiddler | but it's hard to tell |
| 04:11.52 | Semlar | is there some reason you aren't just using the function i wrote in the thread on wowinterface for that |
| 04:12.16 | TorelTwiddler | it didn't work in all situations |
| 04:12.21 | TorelTwiddler | let me look it up again |
| 04:12.22 | Semlar | when |
| 04:12.45 | nebula | Semlar's about to throw a glove at your face, TorelTwiddler |
| 04:13.25 | TorelTwiddler | haha |
| 04:13.42 | nebula | insulting the honor of his function so |
| 04:13.57 | TorelTwiddler | ok, so I am using a large portion of it |
| 04:14.30 | Kee | "â [06:13:08] [SERVER] Instance restart in 6:00" Who's fault now? :( |
| 04:15.28 | TorelTwiddler | Ahh, the problem is that GetSlotTransmogSources(slot) doesn't return information for other characters |
| 04:16.02 | TorelTwiddler | I think? |
| 04:16.23 | Semlar | the PlayerHasAppearance function in my post just takes an appearanceID |
| 04:16.29 | Semlar | it iterates over C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceSources |
| 04:16.36 | Semlar | and returns whether you've collected any of them |
| 04:17.04 | TorelTwiddler | GetAppearanceSources only returns true for items that the current character can actually get the sources of |
| 04:17.22 | TorelTwiddler | e.g. mage calling GetAppearanceSources never returns any plate, mail, leather. |
| 04:17.53 | Semlar | why is this a problem |
| 04:18.23 | TorelTwiddler | So you know if you've collected an item regardless of which character you're on |
| 04:18.42 | TorelTwiddler | C_TransmogCollection.PlayerHasTransmogItemModifiedAppearance(sourceID) works in that regard |
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| 04:19.04 | TorelTwiddler | ...usually |
| 04:19.13 | Semlar | are you not keeping a complete database of the appearances of your other characters |
| 04:19.22 | TorelTwiddler | not yet |
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| 04:23.33 | Semlar | looks like the 5th return of C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceSourceInfo tells you whether you've collected it regardless of the character you're on |
| 04:23.52 | Semlar | you'd need the specific sourceID though |
| 04:24.13 | TorelTwiddler | Can get that easy enough, I'll try swapping it out |
| 04:25.05 | Semlar | you'd need all of the sources of an appearance to check it against |
| 04:25.25 | Semlar | does the blizzard tooltip not tell you whether you've collected an appearance across the account |
| 04:26.21 | mfgmfg | it only ever tells you if you haven't collected it, if it's usable on the character you're on, i believe. |
| 04:26.28 | TorelTwiddler | ^ |
| 04:26.40 | mfgmfg | which is why CIMI exists. |
| 04:27.32 | Semlar | have you considered only playing one character |
| 04:27.38 | TorelTwiddler | lol |
| 04:27.46 | Semlar | i don't have these problems |
| 04:27.57 | AmiYuy | lmao |
| 04:28.09 | kd3 | yay for other one-character folk |
| 04:28.17 | TorelTwiddler | naa, C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceSourceInfo(sourceID) is giving the same results as C_TransmogCollection.PlayerHasTransmogItemModifiedAppearance(sourceID) |
| 04:28.50 | Semlar | meaning |
| 04:29.08 | Semlar | you have to call it on every sourceID for an appearance |
| 04:29.30 | TorelTwiddler | hmm, no, not really |
| 04:29.36 | TorelTwiddler | each item has a unique sourceID |
| 04:29.48 | Semlar | yes, but each appearance has multiple sources |
| 04:29.51 | TorelTwiddler | I get the sourceID for the item, then pass it into this function |
| 04:30.05 | Semlar | this only tells you if you've collected that specific source |
| 04:30.18 | TorelTwiddler | yeah, but there's a difference between "Known" and "Known from this item" |
| 04:30.55 | Torhal | This is known. From this Semlar. |
| 04:31.38 | Torhal | There used to be another Semlar, who never released his code. I think this one killed him, though. |
| 04:31.53 | Semlar | we don't talk about that |
| 04:31.57 | Torhal | :/ |
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| 04:41.04 | mckenziemc | kills Torhal and hugs Cairenn. |
| 04:41.12 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 04:41.47 | Torhal | hangs mckenziemc and points at his zombie children. |
| 04:42.16 | mckenziemc | you turned your cats into zombies? |
| 04:42.24 | Torhal | No, your child processes. |
| 04:42.40 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 05:01.23 | TorelTwiddler | Ok, I think I fixed it |
| 05:01.44 | Torhal | You fixed mckenziemc? |
| 05:02.08 | fewyn | sells a fraction of mckenziemc |
| 05:02.33 | fewyn | have i mentioned how much i love the new curse app alpha? |
| 05:02.49 | TorelTwiddler | C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceSourceInfo(sourceID) also return an item link. When you first log on it doesn't return the item link of the same item that you pass into it. I just ignore cases when that happens. |
| 05:02.57 | Torhal | Only twenty infinity times. :D |
| 05:03.23 | fewyn | i think this is actually the first time i mentione dit Torhal |
| 05:03.30 | Torhal | Nope. |
| 05:03.41 | fewyn | so huge props to whoever worked on the addon code for it |
| 05:03.46 | fewyn | because it's niiiiice |
| 05:04.29 | Torhal | [00:17:37] fewyn:oooo curse alpha so pretty |
| 05:04.30 | Torhal | [00:19:40] Xuerian:THE RED, I'M BLIND |
| 05:04.31 | Torhal | [00:19:49] fewyn:LOK'TAR OGAR |
| 05:04.38 | TorelTwiddler | the curse app, as in the voice client one? |
| 05:04.40 | Torhal | And I believe another time after that |
| 05:04.55 | Torhal | TorelTwiddler: Latest Alpha has AddOn management. |
| 05:05.08 | TorelTwiddler | ooo how do I get the alpha? I'm using the normal one now |
| 05:05.21 | Torhal | Click Question mark on sidebar, About CUrse, Switch to Alpha |
| 05:05.23 | Xuerian | as in the one that some poor group of developers sacrificed a few goat simulators to finally push a wow addon client for |
| 05:05.33 | TorelTwiddler | awesome, thanks |
| 05:05.51 | TorelTwiddler | lol |
| 05:05.55 | Torhal | BTW fewyn, Oliva says hello. |
| 05:06.04 | Xuerian | it's actually pretty nice |
| 05:06.07 | Xuerian | NOW FOR THE CURSEFORGE BACKEND |
| 05:06.13 | Xuerian | ducks. |
| 05:06.42 | TorelTwiddler | lol |
| 05:07.04 | Torhal | Don't duck, Xuerian; I was trying to shatter your eardrums agreeing with you. |
| 05:07.13 | Xuerian | hue hue hue |
| 05:11.16 | fewyn | i wish i could go back to day time hours |
| 05:11.21 | fewyn | working until 12:30am is not fun |
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| 05:12.06 | Torhal | fewyn: 2am here. :D |
| 05:12.22 | mfgmfg | hmm, compare tooltip is spamming one of the C_TransmogCollection functions |
| 05:12.22 | Torhal | But I prefer that to waking up at 7am. |
| 05:12.26 | mfgmfg | wonder if that's CIMI doing it |
| 05:13.34 | fewyn | I have one more class left then i'm not sure what I'm going to be doing for the next 6 months exactly until we start hiring again |
| 05:14.15 | fewyn | if it involves a paycut i'm going to be looking for work again probably |
| 05:20.51 | AmiYuy | mfgmfg: How can you tell? Does it still happen with CIMI off? |
| 05:22.56 | mfgmfg | i'm too lazy to turn off addons right now |
| 05:23.08 | mfgmfg | idle speculation. |
| 05:23.22 | AmiYuy | I have /etrace on but I don't see anything transmog related when I mouse over and hold shift to compare. |
| 05:23.44 | mfgmfg | i was hooking one of the transmog functions. don't remember which one right now |
| 05:23.54 | AmiYuy | Ah okay |
| 05:24.03 | mfgmfg | and it was getting called over and over when holding down shift to bring up the compare tooltip |
| 05:28.59 | mckenziemc | gives Torhal some sqrt(pow(x1*y2, 2) / (pow(a*y2, 2) + pow(a*x2 - b*x1, 2)) - 1) to help him sleep |
| 05:29.38 | Torhal | replaces mckenziemc's Pokemon Go install with Ingress. |
| 05:30.26 | mckenziemc | get back to work Torhal, replacing null pointers with null pointers isn't very productive |
| 05:31.04 | Torhal | mckenziemc: null == null |
| 05:31.15 | Torhal | casts mckenziemc to (void *) |
| 05:31.18 | mckenziemc | true, Torhal |
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| 08:25.21 | VIad | randomly found this on the forums http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54018 |
| 08:42.48 | Torhal | VIad: Does this have something to do with an earlier conversation or is that just a "Huh, neat" link? |
| 08:44.25 | VIad | hmm. it reminded me of something talked about earlier. |
| 08:44.55 | VIad | it was written last month so the issue might have been fixed by now. |
| 08:45.06 | VIad | I dont have a two monitor setup myself :( |
| 08:47.57 | Andols2 | Someone said something about that problem yesterday or during the night (Europe night) Don't remember |
| 08:55.27 | Simca | hey nevcairiel, I have a ticket open to solve for WoWDBProfiler that dates back several years, and I'm wondering if I can finally mark it as solved without putting in effort because HereBeDragons handles this case |
| 08:57.27 | Simca | Basically: when you fly really fast into another zone, the delay for events to fire can mean that you can register an action of some kind - say, looting while in a different game zone. The ticket is basically: "Find a way around this limitation." |
| 08:58.05 | Simca | my initial thought was using some sort of fixed coordinate bounds to check that you were actually still inside the known limits of the zone |
| 08:58.25 | Simca | but zones are so oddly shaped that I doubt that would actually work well |
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| 08:59.01 | Simca | any thoughts on the problem? |
| 09:01.39 | VIad | ø_ø |
| 09:06.19 | LexSfX | Simca: link to ticket? wowdb-profiler has no open tickets |
| 09:06.37 | Simca | it's on an internal Curse VPN |
| 09:06.41 | LexSfX | oh |
| 09:06.43 | Simca | it's a chaud ticket anyway |
| 09:06.50 | Simca | that means the entire ticket is the four word title |
| 09:06.54 | LexSfX | ok |
| 09:07.23 | nebula | ZONE_CHANGED can really delay long enough to actually do something? |
| 09:07.28 | LexSfX | you can do a sanity check after the event fires, can't you? |
| 09:07.38 | Simca | yes, it's rare but possible, nebula |
| 09:08.18 | Simca | http://www.wowdb.com/quests/36158-draenors-secret-power#mapper:6723:0 |
| 09:08.20 | VIad | constantUnitPosition surveilance and internal addon zone_changed events when you actually cross the borders on the client end? :p |
| 09:08.52 | LexSfX | you could implement a post-hook for anything that runs when zone is changed |
| 09:08.56 | LexSfX | instead of relying on event |
| 09:09.07 | Simca | Khadgar has been 100% seen in Talador, but there was somebody who managed to fly from Tanaan Jungle to Khadgar's Tower and pick up the quest |
| 09:09.16 | Simca | before ZONE_CHANGED |
| 09:09.24 | nebula | i know Semlar converted the dbc for zone boundries, but i'm not sure how well that would work considering the rough fencing they do |
| 09:10.31 | nebula | obviously you sure just ignore outlier data! |
| 09:10.35 | nebula | should* |
| 09:10.37 | nebula | :p |
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| 09:10.42 | VIad | its easier to ignore the oddities |
| 09:10.43 | Simca | yeah that's actually a real possibility |
| 09:10.46 | VIad | there are not many |
| 09:11.11 | nebula | atleast when you have a large enough sample size |
| 09:11.13 | nevcairiel | Simca: HBD relies on those events to determine your current zone as well |
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| 09:11.15 | VIad | dont show statistically insignificant data |
| 09:12.24 | nevcairiel | Simca: although it handles a bunch of different events other hten zone_changed, so maybe some of those react faster |
| 09:12.52 | Simca | ah, interesting |
| 09:12.54 | LexSfX | Simca: hooksecurefunc("ZoneTextChanged", function() --[[your code here]] end) |
| 09:13.02 | LexSfX | instead of relying on the event |
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| 09:13.46 | nevcairiel | why would a function be called, if not in response to some event |
| 09:14.20 | LexSfX | nvm, it is |
| 09:14.22 | LexSfX | ignore that then |
| 09:14.57 | Simca | i suspect the problem only really manifests under conditions of extreme lag |
| 09:15.05 | bluipodcow | Yay new FF game on iOS |
| 09:15.12 | bluipodcow | Can't even connect to play = BOOO |
| 09:15.27 | nevcairiel | Simca: probably, you cant really fly that fast otherwise |
| 09:15.48 | VIad | so what happens if you open the map and cross zones and the zone_changed doesnt fire right away, does the map linger in the old zone? |
| 09:15.58 | LexSfX | VIad: yeah, i've seen it happen |
| 09:15.58 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:15.59 | nebula | reminds me of the game of trying to fly into the org ah and get to the rafters before the game kicks you off your mount |
| 09:16.05 | VIad | neat |
| 09:16.10 | Simca | yeah it's the same kind of concept, nebula |
| 09:16.12 | nevcairiel | VIad: iirc the default blizzard map doesnt change zones when you cross either way |
| 09:16.17 | VIad | UnitPosition and db datasounds like a good solution if you need a 100% solution |
| 09:16.30 | LexSfX | i've been using mapster for so long |
| 09:16.36 | LexSfX | (thanks! ;D) |
| 09:16.50 | nevcairiel | mapster does change map based on zone_changed_new_area |
| 09:16.50 | VIad | oh man, the map on my client is like always updating to my zone, some addon doing that :p |
| 09:17.17 | nevcairiel | many addons change it all the time so they can read coordinates and stuff |
| 09:17.29 | VIad | yeah.but at least put it back where it was :p |
| 09:17.32 | nevcairiel | i tried to get rid of that in many addons, but i cant control all of them |
| 09:17.42 | VIad | HBD is nice about moving the map |
| 09:17.44 | VIad | so thats a bonus |
| 09:19.45 | VIad | I should do a file scan in my addons folder and see if I can find the culprit(s) |
| 09:20.00 | VIad | and decide if I really need them, or manually modify them to use HBD to get their data in that function :*p |
| 09:20.13 | nebula | just search for astolabe |
| 09:20.26 | VIad | that too |
| 09:20.50 | LexSfX | Simca: so does GetCurrentZoneText() return the old zone if ZONE_CHANGED hasn't fired upon encountering an NPC in the new zone? |
| 09:21.12 | VIad | most likely, but then again wow isnt always consistent |
| 09:21.33 | VIad | like if it returns the text from the client data where the client thinks it is :p |
| 09:21.41 | LexSfX | i mean, the client could know what zone the character is in |
| 09:21.45 | LexSfX | client-side |
| 09:21.49 | VIad | it kind of does |
| 09:21.54 | VIad | if you enter smaller areas of maps |
| 09:22.00 | VIad | it updates the minimap text at once |
| 09:22.09 | VIad | like regardless how much lag you got |
| 09:22.22 | nevcairiel | there is a few special cases where no events fire when you change sub-zone, usually in caves, but some other things as well |
| 09:22.24 | LexSfX | if that's so, GetCurrentZoneText() should return the correct zone upon encountering a new NPC and you wouldn't have to rely on the event at all |
| 09:22.53 | nevcairiel | and zone text just isnt very helpful, its localized and not always consistent |
| 09:23.23 | LexSfX | true, but i didn't check what other functions do similar |
| 09:23.49 | LexSfX | but if that's the only way to get the correct zone, that will have to be what's used if the bug is to be circumvented |
| 09:24.31 | nevcairiel | its far more likely that in those situations it a lso returns the old data |
| 09:25.46 | Simca | yeah it's really annoying to test |
| 09:26.10 | Simca | you can sometimes get it to happen if you unplug your ethernet cable for a few seconds when crossing a zone boundary |
| 09:26.24 | Simca | other times though, WoW just kicks you immediately |
| 09:29.47 | VIad | oh crap, nevcairiel, what about dungeon floor when temporarily changing the map to read data? |
| 09:30.37 | VIad | ah thank god, you added that to HBD :p |
| 09:30.49 | VIad | noticed TomTom didn't utilize it, so sent Cladhaire a PM |
| 09:31.00 | nevcairiel | dungeon floors have always worked, i recently fixed microdungeons |
| 09:31.22 | VIad | TomTom uses HBD, but there is a hack to get corpse location, so I hinted about the potential to improvement |
| 09:33.59 | VIad | I am impressed by SavedInstances - made by oscarucb |
| 09:34.12 | VIad | so far only addon I have installed to properly store map and floor and restore those :p |
| 09:34.27 | nevcairiel | any HBD addon does that =p |
| 09:34.27 | VIad | (that doesn't use HBD lib) |
| 09:34.47 | nevcairiel | although to handle every single special case it does need quite a bit of logic |
| 09:34.48 | VIad | this one doesn't and added his own function to backup and restore map/floor |
| 09:34.58 | VIad | yeah, but he at least tried :( |
| 09:35.18 | VIad | btw there are some world bugs in garrisons |
| 09:35.26 | VIad | not related to addons, just noticed it yesterday |
| 09:35.39 | VIad | some some character when I enter the salvage yard, the event and minimap text fire and update |
| 09:35.49 | VIad | but on some characters, it doesnt change, and it just says I am still in garrison |
| 09:36.05 | VIad | thats kind of odd |
| 09:36.29 | VIad | minimap zone should say "Salvage Yard" |
| 09:36.36 | VIad | just to throw out that observation |
| 09:38.32 | VIad | there is no web git browser for the repos on curse? |
| 09:38.36 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:39.09 | VIad | oki |
| 09:43.08 | LexSfX | 02:22:52 <nevcairiel> and zone text just isnt very helpful, its localized and not always consistent |
| 09:43.14 | LexSfX | oh yeah, there's GetCurrentMapAreaID |
| 09:43.32 | LexSfX | oh, but that's just what you're looking at on the map |
| 09:43.44 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 09:44.24 | nevcairiel | there is also a new function, GetPlayerMapAreaID, but that one doesnt work reliably without race conditions |
| 09:44.57 | VIad | race conditions? is it racist? |
| 09:45.31 | nevcairiel | ~lart VIad |
| 09:45.31 | purl | drops a baby grand on VIad |
| 09:47.01 | VIad | I sent PMs to people on curse that dont restore map back when setting it to something in their addons. |
| 09:47.05 | VIad | I will get so much hate now. |
| 09:51.28 | VIad | wowheadlooter tries too |
| 09:51.31 | VIad | but doesnt restore floor |
| 09:51.40 | VIad | and ofc not all those special cases you added in HBD |
| 09:51.50 | LexSfX | Simca: looks like the only way to find the current zone text without the event firing right now is a combination of GetAreaMaps(), GetMapNameByID(), and GetZoneText() |
| 09:53.08 | nevcairiel | and you have no way to know that GetZoneText does actually update before the event |
| 09:53.14 | LexSfX | aye |
| 09:53.24 | LexSfX | without extensive difficult and/or creative testing |
| 09:53.31 | LexSfX | and/or on private servers |
| 09:55.51 | Simca | ~lart Fisker |
| 09:55.51 | purl | gives Fisker an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Fisker to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 09:56.08 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 09:56.10 | Simca | wow, how appropriate |
| 09:56.12 | Fisker | what's up? |
| 09:56.17 | Simca | considering you were complaining about sleep |
| 09:56.21 | Fisker | good |
| 10:09.52 | VIad | in a couple of expansions, with the C_ trend, we might have replaced all the old frameworks :d |
| 10:09.58 | VIad | and made everything into LOD modules |
| 10:21.37 | nebula | i doubt they'll spend dev time to consolidate the old apis then refactor everything that used them |
| 10:27.30 | VIad | not at once, but slowly over time. each expansion seems to improve something old. |
| 10:30.50 | VIad | tradeskills, nameplates, adding new flightmap (new system, but can see the old being removed once the new map is ready) |
| 10:33.52 | Shockah|Work | VIad, what will happen first: WoW dying or rewritten default 16 slot bag |
| 10:34.24 | Shockah|Work | i'm not sure myself |
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| 11:00.25 | nevcairiel | its unlikely they'll ever change the default bag |
| 11:00.40 | nevcairiel | they have elaborated on why in the blizzcon engineering panel |
| 11:00.47 | nevcairiel | just too risky for too little return |
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| 11:06.09 | nebula | i think that response was a bit dramatic, the have the bag offset as a constant |
| 11:06.15 | nebula | they* |
| 11:08.01 | Andols | There was one UI guy answering a question? Was that you Guill or TheDanW or someone else in your team? |
| 11:08.13 | Andols | At the engineering panel. |
| 11:08.16 | nevcairiel | dont think a UI guy was present |
| 11:08.31 | nevcairiel | but the bag size is more of a backend thign then UI anyway |
| 11:09.18 | Andols | He was standing to the side and answered one question, it was about internal API documentation :p |
| 11:16.46 | Alram | or the lack thereof |
| 11:25.53 | Andols | Idd :) I think the answer was: Wowpedia and look at the source code to see what it does :p |
| 11:36.00 | Semlar | simca, nevcairiel: all this map chat while i'm sleeping |
| 11:36.20 | nevcairiel | go back to sleep |
| 11:36.23 | nevcairiel | so we can talk |
| 11:37.28 | Semlar | i'm surprised the events can be delayed enough for that to happen |
| 11:37.37 | nevcairiel | with strong lag anything is possible |
| 11:37.49 | nevcairiel | although i'm surprised you can talk to npcs without the events catching up |
| 11:38.11 | Simca | it's possible they just catch up in the wrong order |
| 11:38.15 | Semlar | i think your zone is client side though |
| 11:38.33 | Semlar | i wouldn't expect lag to affect it |
| 11:38.46 | Simca | hmm, i'll have to try it again |
| 11:39.26 | Semlar | i do have a possible solution, i'd have to check in-game if it returns the correct information |
| 11:39.46 | Semlar | do you have the map coordinates for that poi you linked |
| 11:41.00 | Semlar | nevermind |
| 11:41.20 | Semlar | 82.2 28.85 |
| 11:47.43 | VIad | wonder what database servers use to store data, sql something? |
| 11:48.23 | VIad | if the backpack size problem is fixable with a alter table command :p |
| 11:49.12 | Semlar | yeah it works, i'm assuming you can convert your global coordinates to map coordinates relative to the continent map |
| 11:51.33 | Semlar | you can call C_MapCanvas.FindZoneAtPosition(continentMapAreaID, x, y) for what the game would consider the area ID of the zone you're in to be if you were hovering the cursor over it on the continent map |
| 11:51.55 | Semlar | in the thing you linked it would be talador |
| 11:54.40 | Semlar | eg. C_MapCanvas.FindZoneAtPosition(962, 0.501,0.522) returns 946 |
| 11:56.07 | VIad | oh nice, thats cool |
| 11:56.40 | VIad | funny enough I mapped out all the draenor<->outland toy portal locations using the draenor/outland map coordinates |
| 11:56.55 | VIad | was thinking to convert to per-zone so I can get the map easier |
| 11:57.04 | VIad | but with this API I probably wont need to do that :p |
| 11:57.38 | VIad | I hope that the new C_Map replaces the old taxi and world map methods at some point |
| 11:57.43 | VIad | because it looks really nice |
| 11:57.58 | VIad | not to mention it supports the cool zoom in closer to fade in zone visuals |
| 11:59.03 | Rythal | so much map chat, and I missed it |
| 12:00.17 | Semlar | right, i'm gonna go make breakfast |
| 12:00.32 | Arrowmaster` | Mr_Rabies: my fix will be to replace it with a bunch of blank functions |
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| 12:09.42 | VIad | my weakness is distinguishing mapID, areaID, zoneID |
| 12:10.33 | VIad | areaID is like 946 for draenor, and mapID is like 0 kalimdor, 1 eastern, zoneID is something similar to areaID but other indexing system |
| 12:10.47 | VIad | areaID can vary from phasing, while zoneID shouldn't change? |
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| 12:21.50 | nevcairiel | Semlar: i wonder if thats entirely accurate close to the actual valid borders |
| 12:24.40 | Semlar | it is as accurate as you're going to get from the api |
| 12:25.24 | Semlar | if you're saying the function to return the player's current map ID isn't always correct |
| 12:26.54 | nevcairiel | the new one that works without the map isnt |
| 12:26.58 | Kalroth | so there's three different ASUS 1080 Strix now :/ |
| 12:27.07 | Fisker | ? |
| 12:27.10 | Semlar | do you have an example for when it doesn't work |
| 12:27.18 | nevcairiel | dalaran, any dungeons |
| 12:27.29 | Kalroth | Strix, Strix Aktiv/Advanced and Strix OC |
| 12:27.42 | Semlar | current dalaran? |
| 12:27.51 | nevcairiel | no idea, new one at least |
| 12:28.21 | Semlar | what does it return? |
| 12:28.23 | nevcairiel | nil |
| 12:28.45 | Semlar | you know what i bet it doesn't work for dungeon maps |
| 12:28.46 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: seems like they felt adding one in the middle with a middle-range clock would be a good idea, how weird |
| 12:29.00 | Semlar | anything with multiple levels |
| 12:29.05 | Kalroth | nevcairiel, i think MSI did the same |
| 12:29.29 | Semlar | maybe they skipped a step for determining the current map ID |
| 12:30.20 | Semlar | because dalaran and dungeon maps are all handled in a separate db2 from the zone maps |
| 12:30.31 | Kalroth | nope, MSI only got Gaming X and Gaming Z (and a ton of other versions) |
| 12:30.51 | nevcairiel | MSI has a long list of models yeah |
| 12:31.01 | nevcairiel | and the Z is kind of silly on its own |
| 12:31.51 | Kalroth | ah, i though i saw a new "red" MSI, apparently it's just called Gaming |
| 12:32.44 | Kalroth | Gaming is 1632, Gaming X is 1708, Gaming Z is 1771 |
| 12:33.19 | Kalroth | or Gaming Z is 1733, it's not clear whether reported specs are OC mode, Gaming mode or Silent mode (???) |
| 12:34.15 | nevcairiel | the listed clocks are weird anyway, the card dynamically OCs beyond those clocks as long as termals and power allow |
| 12:34.41 | nevcairiel | (even beyond the listed boost clocks, i mean) |
| 12:34.44 | Kalroth | yeah, it's pretty hard to see exactly what you pay for - other than the minimum values |
| 12:35.08 | nevcairiel | anyway i'm happy with my gaming x |
| 12:36.07 | Kalroth | yeah, the common thing seems to be ~1700+ base equals fast 1080 and ~1600+ equals normal 1080 |
| 12:36.34 | Kalroth | i've read that even the cheapest 1600mhz 1080s can break 2000mhz peak easily |
| 12:36.51 | Kalroth | "easily" |
| 12:39.31 | VIad | with enough coolant, you can probably peak 5k mhz |
| 12:40.32 | Fisker | So 5Hz? |
| 12:44.27 | VIad | or 500k µhz |
| 12:45.45 | VIad | wait, µ is like a lot of zeroes |
| 12:45.55 | VIad | 5000000000000k µhz probably :p |
| 12:51.15 | Maldivia | well, kµ = m |
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| 13:12.07 | VIad | Maldivia: do you have one addon you are proud of updating for legion? |
| 13:14.07 | Maldivia | I kind of abandoned all most of my addons; some still work, even if they were written for WoW5 :D |
| 13:14.36 | VIad | no more lua joy? |
| 13:15.04 | Maldivia | well, don't really play the game... |
| 13:15.50 | VIad | oh |
| 13:16.02 | VIad | boring game? |
| 13:18.52 | VIad | I didn't mean to pry, sorry. |
| 13:23.15 | VIad | Semlar: the regions in zones, are they properly defined with coordinates? like the shapes that decides when you exit a zone and enter a new one and such |
| 13:23.33 | VIad | I remembered your drawings |
| 13:24.39 | Semlar | if you mean something like my map, no, not even remotely |
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| 13:25.38 | Semlar | the game decides what your subzone should be displayed as based on what you're standing on |
| 13:25.59 | Semlar | there isn't some set of coordinates you can just read to get the outline of an area |
| 13:26.19 | VIad | so its not like defined in the dbc? hmm |
| 13:26.33 | Semlar | no |
| 13:26.54 | Semlar | it's determined by the terrain and whatever is sitting on top of it |
| 13:26.55 | VIad | so its the wmo and map data itself |
| 13:29.00 | Semlar | each piece of an object that you touch can potentially have an area associated with it |
| 13:29.10 | Semlar | or not |
| 13:29.48 | Semlar | when you step into a building your subzone might change because you're standing on its model |
| 13:29.55 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:30.10 | Semlar | but the building could have no subzone associated with |
| 13:30.13 | Semlar | it |
| 13:30.32 | VIad | so "simply" write a parser to scan the wmo and map files and generate the coordinates :D |
| 13:30.52 | Semlar | good luck |
| 13:30.54 | VIad | gigabyte worth of addon? :p |
| 13:32.32 | VIad | hey, plain text can become huge files too |
| 13:32.54 | VIad | wonder if its worth compressing huge amounts of data using loadstring and some encryption techniques |
| 13:33.16 | VIad | sadly it would count as obfuscation :p |
| 13:33.26 | VIad | even if you only use it for the database table |
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| 13:33.46 | Semlar | uh no |
| 13:34.16 | Semlar | decompression would be a waste of cpu cycles to save some hard drive space |
| 13:34.59 | Semlar | what are you even talking about |
| 13:35.18 | VIad | if you made huge amounts of data to map the entire world, it would be huge |
| 13:35.24 | Semlar | my addon was like 1mb |
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| 13:35.43 | VIad | was imagining a lot of non-straight paths |
| 13:36.05 | VIad | the zones and the subzones too |
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| 13:38.40 | Kee | I have a question: is is possible to remove comments from own addon hubs on Curse and WoWI? |
| 13:38.54 | Semlar | yes |
| 13:39.37 | VIad | yes. purge the bad once. keep the good once :) |
| 13:40.07 | Kee | Thanks, one more question: Should I show my addon to somebody before submitting? Or will it be accepted at will? It there any good practice to show addon code first (on some forum or something)? |
| 13:40.31 | VIad | it's optional, wowui has a forum where you could post and ask someone to take a look. |
| 13:40.38 | Semlar | just upload it |
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| 13:41.07 | Kee | ok then I'll upload it, thanka again :) |
| 13:41.13 | VIad | otherwise it would be checked by some sort of checklist and accepted |
| 13:41.36 | Andols | Do they even check any code on wowace/Curseforge before approving the project? |
| 13:41.46 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 13:42.02 | Andols | I usually have to fix my description :p |
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| 13:42.43 | Semlar | it's mostly checking that you're uploading an actual addon and one that you wrote |
| 13:45.30 | Andols | I see :) |
| 13:48.52 | VIad | wonder if I upload one with a jpeg of tits, if they will notice... |
| 13:49.13 | Tentacled | TheDanW: just FYI, any "full scans" of the AH result in "AddOns\Blizzard_AuctionUI\Blizzard_AuctionUI.lua:733: attempt to index local 'color' (a nil value)" |
| 13:49.14 | VIad | or a blp with tits that flash when you login :> |
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| 13:52.26 | VIad | I guess you can make a really elaborate blp like a puzzle and texcoord it to normal :p |
| 13:52.38 | VIad | hidden message - omg idea for a treasure hunt! |
| 13:52.45 | Miiru | i doubt that they check all blp's |
| 13:53.12 | VIad | if I saw a weird blp I'd be curious to look at the code what the heck it is doing :p |
| 13:53.47 | Miiru | miirgui has ~1000 changed blps, im sure there addons having more |
| 13:53.51 | VIad | it would actually be cool if the systems had built in sanity checks of some kind, like as you upload it would evaluate the contents and tell you some info about your coding and suggest changes if it finds scary things, that could become problems |
| 13:54.18 | VIad | like pre-hooking globals that are either secure or used by something secure, that would result in taint and breaking |
| 13:55.03 | VIad | foxlit already got globe, could maybe be used to make a guideline |
| 13:59.35 | Miiru | why do i have a weird 'convert to file format' option when right clicking stuff oO |
| 14:00.26 | Miiru | oh its from a failed sdk installation |
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| 14:00.32 | Miiru | i thought it failed oO |
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| 14:13.42 | Thunder_Child | VIad: That kinda reminds me of the April fools addon that Guill made back in the day. |
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| 14:14.38 | bluipodcow | o/ |
| 14:15.10 | Thunder_Child | blusnuffcow. |
| 14:15.25 | Ressy | Thunder_Child: April fools addon? |
| 14:15.56 | Thunder_Child | Ressy: Yes, IIRC it touted itself as something that could modify your in-game die rolls in your favor. |
| 14:15.57 | bluipodcow | Snuff ? |
| 14:16.07 | Thunder_Child | And then rickrolled you. |
| 14:16.16 | bluipodcow | I remember dat addon |
| 14:16.23 | bluipodcow | It was loll |
| 14:16.26 | bluipodcow | Lolz |
| 14:17.19 | Thunder_Child | err, loot rolls. Too much DnD. |
| 14:17.41 | Thunder_Child | Yes blu, snuff. |
| 14:19.39 | bluipodcow | Y I snuff? |
| 14:20.18 | Thunder_Child | That sounds like a question you should be asking yourself. |
| 14:20.41 | bluipodcow | Turnip! |
| 14:21.44 | Ressy | lawlz. I remember that. |
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| 14:37.22 | VIad | would it have been accepted if it wasnt april fools addon? :p |
| 14:38.46 | Thunder_Child | I think at that time wowi was installing every addon to check them. Unsure about curse. |
| 14:39.27 | VIad | karl_w_w: resolution backdoor was MVP |
| 14:39.35 | VIad | not the team name |
| 14:40.52 | Thunder_Child | But I am also fairly sure that Cairenn and Kaelten were aware of them before they got added to the sites. |
| 14:41.09 | Thunder_Child | s/them/it/ |
| 14:41.23 | Maldivia | VIad: sorry -- meeting came up, so never got to respond earlier |
| 14:41.41 | VIad | its cool Maldivia :d |
| 14:48.01 | bluipodcow | Oh hi Maldivia |
| 14:48.58 | karl_w_w | i didnt see DC's games VIad |
| 15:02.59 | VIad | you should watch the replay |
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| 15:07.12 | Andols2 | 5 hours train travel now, let's see if this phone can keep Internet alive and stay connected to the Inc server :P |
| 15:07.29 | Andols2 | Ircs/Inc/Irc |
| 15:07.35 | Andols2 | Sigh... |
| 15:08.15 | Andols2 | Phones.. |
| 15:12.07 | Thunder_Child | Don't blame the phone. |
| 15:12.36 | Andols2 | I know :( |
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| 15:36.28 | Zeldo | bans vlad |
| 15:36.49 | VIad | why Zeldo? |
| 15:37.56 | Maldivia | bluipodcow: howdy :D |
| 15:38.40 | Zeldo | 6:48:55 AM V<VIad> wonder if I upload one with a jpeg of tits, if they will notice... |
| 15:38.47 | VIad | xD |
| 15:38.59 | Zeldo | Preventative measures. |
| 15:39.54 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1470325191.png |
| 15:40.03 | VIad | done with my portal overlay :d |
| 15:40.10 | Zeldo | Oh cool you can answer my question |
| 15:40.13 | Zeldo | Wtf are the houses on the map? |
| 15:40.18 | VIad | towns |
| 15:40.29 | VIad | probably a inn or vendor |
| 15:40.39 | Zeldo | Interesting, I didn't notice them before |
| 15:40.41 | nevcairiel | how can that not occur to you automatically :D |
| 15:40.46 | Zeldo | What causes them to popup? |
| 15:41.03 | VIad | its legion new icons for more informative maps |
| 15:41.14 | VIad | just landmarks |
| 15:41.22 | Zeldo | nevcairiel: It did, but I didn't see them before so I thought it was related to archeology (which I just started) |
| 15:41.28 | Zeldo | Cool. thanks :D |
| 15:42.10 | VIad | Guill: will we ever ge tthe ability to add stuff to this without breaking anything involving dropdowns? :p http://ss.bool.no/capture_1470325312.png |
| 15:42.38 | nevcairiel | just replace the entire dropdown |
| 15:42.56 | nevcairiel | also when linking base UI elements, you should really disable your ugly skinning addon |
| 15:43.36 | Andols | VIad: Didn't know there was that many portals :o |
| 15:44.28 | VIad | :D |
| 15:45.04 | VIad | there are |
| 15:45.11 | VIad | its quite flexible - like going blacktemple is easier now |
| 15:45.13 | VIad | or gruul |
| 15:45.52 | nevcairiel | real men have the black temple teleport neck |
| 15:46.15 | VIad | I got that too |
| 15:46.16 | VIad | :3 |
| 15:46.36 | Andols | Idd :p |
| 15:47.07 | nevcairiel | those are probably just the ever-shifting mirror portals eh? |
| 15:47.40 | nevcairiel | still requires you to go there in draenor though |
| 15:50.23 | VIad | yes |
| 15:50.26 | VIad | no |
| 15:50.28 | VIad | works both ways |
| 15:50.39 | VIad | except one portal that might be phased in throne of kil'jaeden |
| 15:50.50 | VIad | the draenor one isnt there - I suspect phasing |
| 15:50.59 | nevcairiel | well you can also go there in outland first, but point is you still need to travel on one continent =p |
| 15:51.20 | VIad | ofc |
| 15:51.22 | VIad | garrison HS :d |
| 15:51.36 | VIad | challenge mode teleports |
| 15:51.51 | nevcairiel | those have ass-long cooldowns |
| 15:51.55 | VIad | garrison docks HS, teleport to path of the light in shadowmoon |
| 15:52.13 | VIad | timeless trinket > chairs > gorgrond |
| 15:52.14 | nevcairiel | outland shattrath might have a portal from new dalaran |
| 15:52.22 | nevcairiel | and diving to the cave is kinda an noying |
| 15:52.35 | VIad | yes |
| 15:52.44 | VIad | I can't complain about mobility |
| 15:53.06 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.18 | VIad | and thats on my DK - I can imagine mages being even more mobile :p |
| 15:53.47 | VIad | I am still pestering foxlit to add C_ToyBox.IsToyUsable to the conditions of opie |
| 15:53.57 | VIad | so it hides toys I can't use in the area I am at :p |
| 15:54.09 | VIad | C_ToyBox.IsToyUsable seems to handle basically all the criteria that would error on screen |
| 15:54.18 | VIad | zones, subzones, professions, races, classes, what ever |
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| 16:11.43 | VIad | can I mog it is ridiculus atm :p when I open my bags I lose like 80 fps |
| 16:12.00 | VIad | 150, open bags, 45 :p |
| 16:12.38 | VIad | "unknown items only" option when enabled does this |
| 16:13.10 | VIad | it seems to be something with updating the item icons, it loops and processes things over and over again all the time, each frame |
| 16:16.49 | VIad | is there a way to make chat bubbles appear over peoples heads when in dungeon groups? |
| 16:16.52 | VIad | I miss that :( |
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| 16:26.23 | mfgmfg | https://mogcollector.com updated for 7.0 |
| 16:26.27 | mfgmfg | (not my site) |
| 16:26.34 | TheDanW | Tentacled: yeah, it has to do with item data unloading, its on the list to fix |
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| 16:36.40 | VIad | weird how I can't set loot rules when soloing old raids |
| 16:36.44 | VIad | the ruby sanctum is auto PL :p |
| 16:36.45 | VIad | I am alone :( |
| 16:36.50 | VIad | nothing drops |
| 16:37.15 | Shockah | it shouldn't ever be PL |
| 16:37.59 | VIad | right |
| 16:38.02 | VIad | group loot |
| 16:38.09 | VIad | or let me change :p but not PL |
| 16:38.34 | VIad | did TW, maybe it carried over? |
| 16:42.37 | VIad | I guess its PL and not group so I dont get items to vendor :P |
| 16:42.42 | VIad | or world drops |
| 16:43.31 | VIad | the naxx green goo no longer works |
| 16:43.34 | VIad | since HP scales % :p |
| 16:45.01 | VIad | I hope you know what I mean |
| 16:45.09 | myno_ | PL still happening even in naxx? |
| 16:45.59 | VIad | yeah |
| 16:46.02 | VIad | I am running it PL now |
| 16:46.11 | VIad | seems you can get world drops, BOE |
| 16:46.17 | VIad | wait |
| 16:46.29 | VIad | its odd, I got a bow. |
| 16:46.40 | VIad | in ruby sanctum I got gold from bosses |
| 16:46.52 | VIad | from patchwerk I got bow and boe leather legs, only 2 items for a 20 man raid :p |
| 16:47.12 | myno_ | halion not dropping anything happened to a friend too, went in together with people in both "worlds" and he dropped loot |
| 16:47.33 | VIad | I couldnt kill him because he ended combat when I entered portal |
| 16:47.34 | myno_ | maybe hes bugged when you kill him in twilight zone |
| 16:47.40 | VIad | I remember I could solo him before, but not anymore |
| 16:48.21 | VIad | anyway its weird, cant tell what loot I am, group or PL :p |
| 16:48.26 | VIad | seems group, but drops amounts are less |
| 16:48.47 | VIad | at least was in ruby, atm getting 4 items per boss, though patchwerk dropped 2 :p |
| 16:53.36 | VIad | Guill: can you make the player nameplate have a checkbox option to make it clickthrough? |
| 16:54.02 | VIad | killing things that die on your feet, clicking the nameplate and not the loot, annoying ;d |
| 16:54.12 | VIad | I survive, just have to fickle with the camera angle |
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| 16:56.01 | Ressy | TheDanW: So items will stop being uncached with an upcoming fix? |
| 17:03.43 | TheDanW | Ressy: no, that is intended, the Lua will get updated to handle missing item data |
| 17:05.14 | mfgmfg | what was the top technical reason for implementing unloading of cache? memory usage? lookup times? stale data? |
| 17:06.32 | TheDanW | memory usage |
| 17:07.23 | mckenziemc1 | which is now being offset with disk usage! |
| 17:07.27 | TheDanW | its a huge pain on our end too, we'd love to not have unloading, but as long as we continue to support 32 bit clients we'll have to |
| 17:07.54 | TheDanW | the disk usage didn't change in regards to item data, it was already being cached on disk |
| 17:07.57 | Thunder_Child | Do you know what percent of wow players are on 32 bit clients? |
| 17:08.05 | Ressy | TheDanW: It makes it difficult to open up the Collections journal for example, and have to wait on all the items in the ToyBox for example to have to load over & over. |
| 17:08.15 | VIad | no unloading if the client is 64 bit? :d |
| 17:08.19 | Ressy | ^ |
| 17:08.21 | VIad | bit check |
| 17:08.24 | Ressy | Can you make that possible? |
| 17:08.51 | Ressy | Nobody cares about 32bit anyways. >.> |
| 17:08.53 | VIad | steam hardware survey says like <1% |
| 17:09.16 | mfgmfg | but when they port wow to consoles.. |
| 17:09.22 | VIad | ah right |
| 17:09.25 | TheDanW | just because someone has a 64 bit OS doesn't mean they run 64 bit wow |
| 17:09.38 | VIad | ^ 64 bit client check* |
| 17:09.41 | mfgmfg | also 64 bit OS doesn't mean you have more than 2 GB of ram |
| 17:09.48 | TheDanW | yes |
| 17:10.00 | VIad | 64 bit client + ram check? |
| 17:10.04 | TheDanW | also, assuming 1%, thats a huge number of players with wow's playerbase |
| 17:10.19 | nebula | a huge number of players that should upgrade their shit |
| 17:10.41 | Thunder_Child | Well, wows min specs are still 2GB of ram. |
| 17:10.48 | Ressy | True. Even just a few years ago people were still somehow playing on rage cards. |
| 17:10.56 | Gnarfoz | I'd just force the 64 bit client on people who're on a 64 bit OS :O |
| 17:10.59 | VIad | 150k computers if wow has 15mil subs |
| 17:11.06 | Gnarfoz | (hint: it doesn't) |
| 17:11.20 | TheDanW | we only dropped support for FFP recently |
| 17:12.30 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: what was the reason of not going with a bit check and just let the 64bit users profit from being on 64bit? |
| 17:13.34 | VIad | memory restraints |
| 17:13.38 | TheDanW | it's something we've discussed and will continue to discuss |
| 17:13.39 | VIad | might be running 2 gb ram |
| 17:13.52 | Stanzilla | VIad: not like you can check for that, too |
| 17:13.54 | VIad | so would need some dynamic type of "upper limit" |
| 17:14.03 | VIad | means more invasive coding |
| 17:14.35 | TheDanW | the additional branching factor adds a lot of dev and QA time |
| 17:14.56 | Ressy | Whats the threadhold for uncaching? Because closing Collections journal seems to be enough to unload everything, and require item caching again. |
| 17:15.28 | Stanzilla | the way I see it, currently more people are sufferring from change than benefit, because the 32bit and low ram users are probably less than those that would benefit from not-unloading |
| 17:15.31 | TheDanW | collections has a special cache because of the massive number of items it touches |
| 17:15.33 | Stanzilla | but I dont have data to back me up :D |
| 17:16.00 | VIad | steam hardware survey says very few on 32 bit OSes, probably some using 32 bit client on 64 bit OS ofc |
| 17:16.23 | TheDanW | people that are suffering are UI devs :/ players rarely if ever notice |
| 17:16.45 | Stanzilla | the lag when opening the collections panel is not from that? |
| 17:16.56 | Stanzilla | I mean it has to load all the transmog appearances all the time? |
| 17:17.49 | TheDanW | i don't think that's because of item caching |
| 17:19.15 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 17:19.31 | Stanzilla | was more thinking about texture caching though |
| 17:19.31 | Gnarfoz | players don't notice "loading item data" at almost every vendor NPC? |
| 17:19.40 | Stanzilla | because it takes a while until every image preview is loaded |
| 17:21.36 | TheDanW | the previews are models, its the model compositing that takes awhile |
| 17:22.39 | Stanzilla | makes sense |
| 17:23.13 | TheDanW | Gnarfoz: that kind of item loading has been present for >6 years |
| 17:23.54 | Gnarfoz | maybe, but I've never seen it before 7.0 |
| 17:24.03 | Gnarfoz | hence the comment ^^ |
| 17:24.57 | Gnarfoz | if it's unrelated, ok :D I'm sure none of these decisions happened because someone flipped a coin ;) |
| 17:26.00 | TheDanW | yeah, the difference is that we now unload the data, we've always streamed item data, there's just many more items that are much more complex now |
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| 17:30.38 | Gnarfoz | gets rid of "toggle helm/cloak" macro |
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| 17:31.10 | Gnarfoz | an 11-year love story |
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| 17:43.04 | fewyn | gets rid of Gnarfoz |
| 17:46.11 | Gnarfoz | uhm, what happened to my key bindings window? http://i.imgur.com/3K2fu1D.png |
| 17:51.52 | Andols | Someone on reddit mentioned MoveAnthing to a similar image. |
| 17:52.08 | Gnarfoz | I don't have that :O |
| 17:53.03 | Andols | Then I don't know :( |
| 17:55.04 | nevcairiel | It's a bug Gnarfoz, I reported it to Guill some time ago, hopefully it gets fixed sometime :) |
| 17:55.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: ah, ok ^^ |
| 17:55.38 | Ssateneth | Ok guys. Got a whallop of a task for you guys to do |
| 17:55.52 | Ssateneth | Step 1: Get a high level mage specced into arcane. |
| 17:56.16 | Ssateneth | Step 2: Talent into Shimmer |
| 17:56.53 | Ssateneth | Step 3: Be standing on some sort of moveable platform (Elevator, gunship, etc) |
| 17:57.05 | Ssateneth | Step 4: Cast Blink |
| 17:57.14 | Ssateneth | Step 5: Cast Displacement |
| 17:57.18 | Ssateneth | Step 6: ??? |
| 17:57.22 | Ssateneth | Step 7: Profit |
| 17:57.57 | Ssateneth | Let me know your results. |
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| 17:59.34 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 17:59.51 | Seerah | hi, Fisker |
| 18:01.26 | Thunder_Child | Ssateneth: I can give that a try when I get home. |
| 18:02.03 | Thunder_Child | Although I suspect Step 7 will not happen. |
| 18:02.26 | Ressy | Can there be an option added so you don't have to constantly stream item data? |
| 18:02.34 | Ssateneth | Not literal profit, but you get the idea |
| 18:03.06 | Ressy | I've got lots of hd space. My monthly data usage is highly finite however, and I went over this month. |
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| 18:03.28 | Gnarfoz | what's an easy to get to elevator? |
| 18:03.35 | Ssateneth | Shattrath elevators are good |
| 18:03.40 | Gnarfoz | that's what I thought of |
| 18:03.42 | Ssateneth | Any boat or zeppelin |
| 18:03.49 | Gnarfoz | but my 110 mage doesn't seem to have the outland portal |
| 18:04.05 | Thunder_Child | Northrend airships? |
| 18:04.07 | Ssateneth | Where are you right now? |
| 18:04.12 | Ssateneth | Those work too |
| 18:04.17 | Gnarfoz | stormwind, i guess there are ships here. |
| 18:04.27 | Ssateneth | Literally any 'platform' that is or can move. |
| 18:04.44 | Ssateneth | Undercity has elevators in it |
| 18:05.03 | Thunder_Child | can? So the hot air balloon over the pandaria protal counts? |
| 18:05.04 | Ssateneth | Orgrimmar has those elevators too |
| 18:05.13 | Ssateneth | Thunder_Child, I believe so. |
| 18:05.14 | Thunder_Child | portal* |
| 18:05.29 | Ssateneth | not 100% certain on it since i think that only moves in a cutscene, right? |
| 18:06.02 | Thunder_Child | No idea. Not even sure if I ever saw that cutscene. |
| 18:06.47 | Ssateneth | Bah, WoW doesn't like my auto-login VBS script anymore. |
| 18:06.56 | Ssateneth | Gotta manually type in password, rip |
| 18:07.01 | Gnarfoz | it's not like the bnet app doesn't do that for you |
| 18:07.07 | Thunder_Child | Should it have ever liked it? |
| 18:07.20 | Gnarfoz | also, SW harbor is taken over by the Legion intro stuff, no transport ships. >_> |
| 18:07.43 | Ssateneth | Gnarfoz it is? |
| 18:07.51 | Gnarfoz | 110 pvp server |
| 18:08.13 | Ssateneth | Not sure of the link |
| 18:08.20 | Gnarfoz | it's a beta server |
| 18:08.21 | Ssateneth | I don't play on pvp servers |
| 18:08.23 | Ssateneth | Ah |
| 18:08.50 | Ssateneth | The ??? -might- work on beta, but on live it 90% definately still works. |
| 18:08.59 | Gnarfoz | defi-WHAT? |
| 18:09.06 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 18:09.18 | Ssateneth | Well, yknow the nature of hotfixes |
| 18:09.28 | Ssateneth | Could occur at any moment. |
| 18:09.32 | Gnarfoz | s/nately/nitely/ |
| 18:10.17 | Gnarfoz | guess I'll make a trip to Menethil ;o |
| 18:11.06 | Ssateneth | Gahhhh, fey dragon secondary idle animation is bugged |
| 18:11.15 | Ssateneth | Its mouth goes all fucky |
| 18:11.41 | Gnarfoz | that sounds vaguely dirty |
| 18:11.55 | Ressy | TheDanW: Have you guys looked at the impact of forced item streaming vs the previous item caching, on monthly data usage? Previously the monthly usage was about 300MB/month. Does this item cache & forced streaming from servers for item information cause any significant increase in usage? |
| 18:12.17 | Gnarfoz | he did say they streamed it before, too |
| 18:12.33 | Ressy | yeah but it used to cache. |
| 18:12.40 | Ressy | Which it doesn't seem to do now. |
| 18:12.54 | Gnarfoz | he also said it cachses on disk, like it did before |
| 18:13.01 | Gnarfoz | it's just evicted from memory early now |
| 18:13.17 | Gnarfoz | unless I totally misunderstood those words :D |
| 18:14.30 | Thunder_Child | Would the write to disk be on the installed drive or system disk via paging? |
| 18:14.47 | Thunder_Child | (or wherever that is set to) |
| 18:14.54 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure you CAN even intentionally make Windows put something into the pagefile, can you? |
| 18:15.45 | Gnarfoz | it's for paging out stuff that was in RAM before, so why would a write to disk go there, hmmm |
| 18:17.22 | Thunder_Child | because this is stuff that was in ram, so it's not unreasonable to think of it. |
| 18:17.49 | Thunder_Child | If it can't be done, it can't be done, but I don't know that, hence the question. |
| 18:20.07 | Thunder_Child | I wonder what the time diff is between spinning platter at SSD. |
| 18:20.19 | Thunder_Child | s/at/and/ |
| 18:20.25 | Gnarfoz | easy: spinning platters are 1990, SSDs are today. |
| 18:20.27 | Thunder_Child | .... *sigh* |
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| 18:23.02 | Andols | I guess that the cache they are talking about is the cache folder in the wold of warcraft folder :P |
| 18:23.15 | Andols | Not page file ;) |
| 18:25.19 | Ssateneth | Welp, time for another basic Lua-related question. |
| 18:25.50 | Ssateneth | Lets say I have a table t = {-2, 1, 0, 6} |
| 18:26.19 | Ssateneth | What would I do to multiply the contents by, say, 2, to get the resulting table {-4, 2, 0, 12} ? |
| 18:26.34 | Ssateneth | Would I have to iterate over each number? |
| 18:27.00 | Ssateneth | Or is there a simpler method? I tried t = t*2, but it's like "no u, u cant do dat" |
| 18:27.56 | foxlit | Lua is not Fortran; there is no simpler method than iteration. |
| 18:28.18 | maunot | iterate yeah. you could define a __mul metamethod but you'd still have to iterate it in the end :p |
| 18:28.42 | Ssateneth | ah, rip |
| 18:29.34 | TheDanW | Ressy: yeah, like the others said, there's no difference, it always (assuming no crashes etc) goes to disk after streaming from the server |
| 18:29.45 | Ssateneth | Tables are so evil and slow if you are contantly doing anything with them frequently. :( |
| 18:29.59 | Gnarfoz | don't use a table for 4 elements, then |
| 18:30.12 | Ssateneth | I picked an arbitrary amount of elements. |
| 18:30.44 | Ssateneth | In practice, the array would be in the area of 24-48 elements |
| 18:31.09 | Ssateneth | and would have in the area of 30-300 of these tables at any given time |
| 18:31.23 | Ssateneth | Which would be destroyed and regenerated every few frames |
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| 18:32.45 | fewyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUfOIvlC6Eo |
| 18:32.47 | Ssateneth | So the speed hit doing that sort of shenanigans so often with so many tables each with that many elements.. thats a lot of multiplying, and poopy speed hit |
| 18:33.02 | Ssateneth | I'll need to approach the problem differently |
| 18:34.51 | exsboot | I'm looking into modifying which debuffs the default nameplates show, sleuthing around the CompatUnitFrame.lua I found that at the baseline it uses SpellGetVisibilityInfo to decide |
| 18:35.31 | exsboot | is there some way I can modify what the function returns or affect it, perhaps alwaysShowMine which looks like it can be a CVar |
| 18:35.43 | TheDanW | exsboot: you actually probably want to look at NameplateBuffContainerMixin:ShouldShowBuff in Blizzard_NamePlates.lua |
| 18:36.59 | exsboot | I thought the nameplates are constructed in CompatUnitFrame.lua |
| 18:37.16 | fewyn | man i could watch a whole movie with this art style |
| 18:37.55 | TheDanW | exsboot: the buffs do not use the CUF system, healthbars, names, etc do |
| 18:41.10 | exsboot | hmm so what does the CompactUnitFrame_UtilShouldDisplayDebuff apply to |
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| 18:43.11 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: why am I somewhere in the Great Sea? :P |
| 18:44.22 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: I could watch an entire movie with WoW cinematic art style, sadly "Warcraft" was not that :P |
| 18:45.14 | fewyn | i've still not seen Warcraft |
| 18:45.23 | fewyn | i was broke when it came out |
| 18:45.29 | fewyn | so i'm waiting for a digital release |
| 18:46.35 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: that's weird, I don't recall 0,0,0 on EK being where I ended up... but I recall 0,0,0 being in Stonetalon Mountains, which is where I ended up when I did it after the ship took me from EK to Kalimdor |
| 18:48.07 | Gnarfoz | Thunder Bluff elevators are too small. "No path available" |
| 18:49.27 | Andols | Where did you end up? |
| 18:50.43 | Gnarfoz | first time: far west off the coast of EK, near Dun Morogh, second time: 0,0,0 in Kalimdor (the famous "ship in the mountains" place) |
| 18:51.04 | Gnarfoz | but that place just teleports you to a nearby graveyard now, as part of a "if you ever end up below ground" protection |
| 18:51.26 | Gnarfoz | did it again on the zeppelin that just came into Thunder Bluff: no w I'm in Shadowbreak Ravine in Desolace |
| 18:51.41 | Gnarfoz | (which is pretty close by) |
| 18:53.28 | Andols | I thought the EK 0,0,0 was in Hinterlands, isn't it a ship there to? |
| 18:53.40 | Gnarfoz | 0,0,0 in EK is in Westfall, IIRC |
| 18:56.02 | Andols | Isn't that the "default" graveyard? Do I remember so wrong with a ship in.. Correction Hillsbrad Fothills/alterac somewhere? |
| 18:56.12 | mfgmfg | hinterlands? |
| 18:56.39 | Andols | Hinterlands is wrong yes :P |
| 18:57.16 | mfgmfg | no i remember now, stonetalon |
| 18:57.25 | mfgmfg | for kalimdor |
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| 19:01.39 | Gnarfoz | that's what I said ;) |
| 19:02.07 | Gnarfoz | (and the default graveyard is there for the same reason 0,0,0 is there?) |
| 19:02.32 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'm wrong about 0,0,0 EK being there, tho ^^ |
| 19:02.35 | kd3 | the default GY for alliance is westfall because that was the first gy created, or at least that's what I was told |
| 19:02.47 | kd3 | 0,0,0 for EK is not in westfall |
| 19:03.01 | Gnarfoz | also, ended up in Feralas this time |
| 19:03.12 | Gnarfoz | so it's apparently pretty random, Ssateneth |
| 19:03.59 | Andols | Don't hotfix this until tomorrow please, sounds like fun to try it:D |
| 19:04.12 | Gnarfoz | actually, this location in Feralas is 5 m away from the location in Desolace, it's right on the Feralas/Desolace/Mulgore border corner |
| 19:06.40 | Simca | default GY for Horde is Crossroads in Northern Barrens |
| 19:07.50 | Gnarfoz | kd3: where is it, then? I don't recall and don't have a working map viewer to check ^^ |
| 19:08.35 | kd3 | I wanna say up somewhere like in arathi or the hinterlands? I don't remember off the top of my head |
| 19:08.52 | kd3 | I've gotten sent to 0,0,0 in kalimdor several times, but I don't remember getting sent to EK's 0,0,0 |
| 19:09.27 | Gnarfoz | yeah, neither do I |
| 19:09.42 | Gnarfoz | but Andols might have been right with Hinterlands, then |
| 19:09.52 | Andols | Then I'm not the only one remembering arathi :D |
| 19:10.22 | Andols | No its more arathi Hillsbrad... I think... |
| 19:11.09 | kd3 | arathi still exists as it's own zone, it's north of wetlands, east of hillsbrad and south of hinterlands |
| 19:11.22 | kd3 | alterac got absorbed into hinterlands in cata |
| 19:11.32 | Cairenn | "Aware" of them? ROFL, we helped set them up! |
| 19:11.52 | Gnarfoz | aware of what? |
| 19:12.17 | Cairenn | I was referring to a much earlier conversation, no worries |
| 19:12.59 | Gnarfoz | hm, is there no ship to Auberdine/Lor'Danel now? |
| 19:13.47 | Gnarfoz | ah, they dock at Rut'theran now |
| 19:14.19 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: haha, doing it on the Rut'theran<->wherever ship disconnected me |
| 19:15.42 | Gnarfoz | logged back in, fell down (under water, so I guess I was actually underground?), it recovered me back to "Arcane Pinnacle" in Azshara, other side of the continent |
| 19:16.46 | mfgmfg | attempt 1: off the north shore of azshara |
| 19:18.41 | mfgmfg | 2: ruins of tarajo in barrens |
| 19:20.45 | Gnarfoz | my most recent try also ended up on a mountain very close to ruins of taurajo |
| 19:21.08 | kd3 | wait, what? it's been weeks and boats are still broken? |
| 19:21.09 | mfgmfg | wonder if it correlates with which zepp i took |
| 19:21.15 | Gnarfoz | this is not about boats |
| 19:21.31 | Gnarfoz | I was on one of the Org zeppelins |
| 19:21.37 | kd3 | boats, zepps, etc. they all work the same way |
| 19:21.39 | kd3 | can we just bring back captain placeholder and be done with it? |
| 19:21.48 | mfgmfg | recapping from before kd3: 1) spec arcane 2) pick shimmer 3) teleport to orgrimmar 4) get on zepp and wait for it to move 5) shimmer 6) displace 7) ??? 8) profit? |
| 19:21.52 | Gnarfoz | kd3: spec arcane, take "shimmer", use "shimmer" on anything that can move like a ship, use displacement |
| 19:22.02 | kd3 | oh, heh |
| 19:22.02 | mfgmfg | why does it need to be shimmer and not blink |
| 19:22.07 | Gnarfoz | no idea, ask Ssateneth |
| 19:22.18 | kd3 | you can't blink on transports |
| 19:22.24 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 19:22.27 | kd3 | (there's an error message that says that) |
| 19:22.28 | Gnarfoz | probably for good reason |
| 19:22.38 | Gnarfoz | seems like someone forgot to do that for shimmer, then :p |
| 19:23.21 | mfgmfg | did the same thing with blink. |
| 19:23.27 | mfgmfg | no error while zep was moving |
| 19:23.34 | Stanzilla | should just do this instead https://vimeo.com/176946845 |
| 19:23.42 | kd3 | o_O? did they take that check out |
| 19:24.06 | Gnarfoz | "Sie fühlt sich schön mit Jade" rofl |
| 19:24.32 | Gnarfoz | nice one, translation department |
| 19:25.55 | Gnarfoz | near Hammerfall in Arathi |
| 19:29.56 | Gnarfoz | below Hillsbrad + disconnect ^^ |
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| 19:31.15 | Gnarfoz | which, on login, teleported me to Dalaran crater, not sure if there's a gy here |
| 19:32.15 | kd3 | dalaran crater? of course there's a gy. so many people take the portal without a means of slow fall |
| 19:32.26 | Gnarfoz | the best reason for there not to be one |
| 19:32.36 | kd3 | it's not in the crater, about a minute ghost walk away |
| 19:32.53 | Gnarfoz | also, I ended up at the highest patch of land at the edge of the crater (still inside the dome), I doubt they'd put the GY there |
| 19:34.30 | Gnarfoz | aaaand NE corner of Alterac (right on the zone boundary to WPL) |
| 19:34.37 | Gnarfoz | it likes putting you on zone boundaries |
| 19:35.21 | Gnarfoz | well, enough shenanigans for now |
| 19:35.24 | Andols | I seems I can't get any name in northern EK correct today... |
| 19:37.39 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: smart guy blanked out his player frame... only to mouse over it at the end, showing the tooltip in the corner, including his name + guild |
| 19:37.47 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: It's because of the coriolis effect. |
| 19:38.03 | Gnarfoz | flushes Thunder_Child down the drain |
| 19:39.26 | Thunder_Child | I wish. |
| 19:40.08 | mfgmfg | Gnarfoz, or maybe he faked that tooltip to frame someone else |
| 19:40.37 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg: yes, of course. :p |
| 19:46.27 | VIad | did you know that jaina is a dreadlord? |
| 19:47.15 | Thunder_Child | In bed. |
| 19:49.29 | VIad | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 19:54.51 | VIad | blizz utterly rekt control undead pet dmg |
| 19:55.14 | VIad | my pet hit for 200 and this is a raid, my dmg is up in the millions |
| 19:55.27 | VIad | control undead might as well have been removed imo |
| 20:02.05 | VIad | the last room at lich king fight is 540 yards to the east, like 100 yards in the air :p |
| 20:05.18 | slink | is there any way to reload the addon list without restarting the game? |
| 20:05.53 | Stanzilla | you always have to reload if new files are involved or you change the toc |
| 20:06.10 | Stanzilla | I meant restart |
| 20:06.21 | slink | ah |
| 20:06.28 | slink | was just being lazy, installed TitanBar [Quests] |
| 20:06.38 | kd3 | if you add new files, you must restart the client. the game only indexes files on startup |
| 20:06.44 | slink | gotcha |
| 20:06.53 | slink | didn't know the toc thing, that's good to know too |
| 20:07.10 | Ssateneth | [1:43:12pm] <Gnarfoz> Ssateneth: why am I somewhere in the Great Sea? :P |
| 20:07.17 | Ssateneth | hahahah you did it didnt you? |
| 20:07.21 | Gnarfoz | gotta read the rest of the scrollback, Ssateneth |
| 20:07.39 | Ssateneth | Try it on different things |
| 20:07.55 | Gnarfoz | we did, see above |
| 20:07.56 | Ssateneth | Sometimes your body will move super fast if it was on a boat/zeppelin/gunship thats moving |
| 20:08.02 | Gnarfoz | hm, never had that |
| 20:08.11 | Gnarfoz | always teleported somewhere right away |
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| 20:08.28 | znf | Delete the game, Gnarfoz |
| 20:08.34 | Gnarfoz | znf: THE GAME |
| 20:08.35 | Gnarfoz | you lost. |
| 20:08.40 | Gnarfoz | also, what |
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| 20:10.43 | Ssateneth | Was reading backlog |
| 20:10.49 | Ssateneth | Looks like you had fun doing shenanigans |
| 20:11.01 | Ssateneth | FUCK YOU |
| 20:11.05 | Ssateneth | THE GAAAAAAAAME |
| 20:11.07 | Ssateneth | AGGGGGGGGGBHHHHHHH |
| 20:11.22 | Ssateneth | dies |
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| 20:20.03 | slink | does PlaySoundFile work? :x |
| 20:22.32 | slink | oh, no .wav files, nm |
| 20:24.45 | nevcairiel | mp3 and ogg should work |
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| 20:28.00 | slink | mp3 is not working as far as i can tell |
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| 20:30.11 | slink | hmm, ogg is not working either |
| 20:30.37 | znf | Mp3 still works? |
| 20:30.54 | znf | Didn't they remove that? Or just wav? |
| 20:30.55 | slink | ahh, i was using PlaySound |
| 20:30.57 | VIad | karl_w_w: I want to watch the game ingame, but gotta twitch. too much lag ingame :/ voices breaking up. |
| 20:30.58 | nevcairiel | Remember to restart the game when adding new files |
| 20:31.08 | VIad | dota spectator been horrible since last major patch |
| 20:31.11 | VIad | the TI patch |
| 20:31.44 | slink | hmm, nope still not working |
| 20:32.19 | znf | Try Leaving out the extension |
| 20:32.34 | nevcairiel | I know for a fact that ogg works, one of my addons uses a ogg file |
| 20:34.32 | slink | nope, that's odd. maybe something wrong w/ my config maybe |
| 20:34.48 | slink | tried PlaySoundFile("c:\\other\\path.mp3"), tried ogg, tried .wave, tried PlaySoundFile("file", "Master") |
| 20:34.51 | slink | i give up on it for now |
| 20:34.56 | slink | i'm running it through /script |
| 20:34.59 | slink | if that matters |
| 20:35.26 | nevcairiel | You can't reference arbitrary files using an absolute path |
| 20:35.36 | nevcairiel | Needs to be relative to the wow folder |
| 20:36.02 | nevcairiel | Possibly inside Interface\AddOns |
| 20:36.21 | slink | i'll give that a try |
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| 20:39.17 | slink | apparently the same rule applies with WoW not noticing new files |
| 20:39.21 | slink | doing PlaySoundFile("Interface\\Addons\\TomTom\\Media\\ping.mp3") worked |
| 20:39.28 | slink | but not doing my own |
| 20:40.20 | VIad | like dota, blizz should do a workshop with submittions for blizz to consider to use as set items or cosmetic items at some point :p |
| 20:40.53 | VIad | outsource some of the design job to the public, plenty of awesome artists will make a lot of cool stuff, though most wont get into the game ofc |
| 20:42.55 | slink | gotta go, bbl |
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| 20:46.45 | Gnarfoz | VIad: even more mediocre or worse artists will flood it with mountains of crap, making it an impossible to manage thing. sooo, no thanks. :P |
| 20:47.16 | VIad | greenlight |
| 20:47.21 | VIad | people updog what they like |
| 20:47.28 | VIad | at a threshold, then blizz will care to look at it |
| 20:47.36 | VIad | like how valve does thing atm |
| 20:51.02 | nevcairiel | Designing items that work well on all classes in wows engine is quite a different task then DotA skins though |
| 20:51.11 | nevcairiel | Source is well documented and has all the tools |
| 20:51.43 | nevcairiel | They would have to seriously invest in opening up some of those parts first |
| 20:51.49 | nevcairiel | So not going to happen |
| 20:57.01 | Stanzilla | and the bazillions of people that will cry on the forums if the design they like does not end up in the game |
| 20:59.18 | Gnarfoz | I cri |
| 21:00.32 | Xuerian_ | Eh |
| 21:00.35 | Xuerian_ | you're overrating it |
| 21:00.51 | Xuerian_ | at least, what you could start with that is |
| 21:01.21 | Xuerian_ | Open up submissions for reskins of vanilla+bc mounts for example. No model changes, just textures. |
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| 21:09.39 | VIad | ^ I mean if they want, they got the audience, people with skills :p |
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| 22:10.03 | ShaunDreclin | Is there an api to get what channel you're currently sending a message to? |
| 22:10.08 | ShaunDreclin | like SAY GUILD etc |
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| 22:21.05 | Thunder_Child | There are chat events, if that is what you mean. |
| 22:24.31 | ShaunDreclin | Nah I'm trying to figure out what channel a person has set in their "sticky chat" thing or whatever it's called |
| 22:24.33 | bshelden | Can you just check the frame? Something in there has to either know or knows what to ask. |
| 22:25.26 | ShaunDreclin | Might be able to |
| 22:27.41 | maunot | ChatEdit_GetLastActiveWindow():GetAttribute("chattype") |
| 22:27.58 | maunot | or well, that's the last active window, dunno if it's the same as the current one :p |
| 22:28.09 | ShaunDreclin | Aha! That's what I was looking for :D thank you |
| 22:28.22 | Ssateneth | gives 1 gold star to maunot |
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| 22:35.47 | maunot | oh and if you only need the sticky info: if ChatTypeInfo["TYPE"].sticky == 1 then print("it's sticky all right") end |
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| 22:37.55 | ShaunDreclin | aha! :D |
| 22:37.59 | ShaunDreclin | MVP maunot |
| 22:38.30 | maunot | oh wait no what, I misinterpreted a bit I think... |
| 22:39.27 | maunot | are you trying to get the channel number if you're talking to a channel or something? :P |
| 22:44.11 | maunot | /run local c,t = ChatEdit_GetLastActiveWindow() t=c:GetAttribute("chattype") if t == "CHANNEL" then print("CHANNEL", c:GetAttribute("channelTarget")) elseif t == "WHISPER" then print("WHISPER", c:GetAttribute("tellTarget")) else print(t) end |
| 22:45.27 | maunot | doesn't cover realid friends! nobody has those... |
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| 22:48.20 | ShaunDreclin | hahah |
| 22:48.29 | ShaunDreclin | mainly I just want to send messages to wherever they're talking |
| 22:48.52 | ShaunDreclin | also thanks again |
| 22:49.21 | ShaunDreclin | time to test stoof O: |
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