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| 00:14.23 | kd3 | semlar, your addon got tweeted by a dev |
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| 00:26.07 | LexSfX | kd3: link to tweet? |
| 00:26.20 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/nite_moogle/status/760261362253574144 |
| 00:26.37 | LexSfX | cool :) |
| 00:27.29 | kd3 | I was going to say it's been talked about on /r/wow, but I suspect semlar knows about that, considering he got gilded for it |
| 00:28.07 | Thunder_Child | "Well, as long as we don't see private parts, I'm fine with that addon." |
| 00:28.28 | Thunder_Child | So where is the risqué button? |
| 00:33.33 | LexSfX | anyone else's WoW freeze if they click "exit now"? |
| 00:33.48 | LexSfX | then it updates |
| 00:33.51 | LexSfX | every single time |
| 00:35.17 | LexSfX | it downloads an update after i kill the process |
| 00:35.25 | LexSfX | a very small update |
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| 00:54.14 | Ketho | im wondering why is the code in TransmogRoulette in the xml :o |
| 01:10.34 | Simca | oh man that's excellent |
| 01:10.59 | Simca | perfect Semlar |
| 01:11.17 | Simca | who needs lua files anyway, i heard it's a bad file format |
| 01:13.32 | kullervo | why doesn't my MoP/WoD weak aura for stagger work anymore.. returns "false" |
| 01:20.35 | kullervo | ah there, fixed |
| 02:03.19 | Arrowmaster | i should not be looking at a room for gencon this late |
| 02:03.57 | Arrowmaster | i can either get sleezy rooms outside the city or for twice the price get a very nice room next to the convention center |
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| 04:30.15 | mckenziemc | well, i successfully made stew today |
| 04:30.24 | mckenziemc | first step toward learning 100 ways to cook Torhal |
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| 04:35.28 | Thunder_Child | "How to eat fried Torhal?" |
| 04:42.54 | Torhal | creates a Thunderkenzie, ala turducken. |
| 05:17.37 | fewyn | oooo curse alpha so pretty |
| 05:19.40 | Xuerian | THE RED, I'M BLIND |
| 05:19.49 | fewyn | LOK'TAR OGAR |
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| 05:46.55 | mckenziemc | Torhal why can't my inbreeds get along :( |
| 05:47.06 | mckenziemc | i just had to split up a spider fight |
| 05:47.17 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 05:48.36 | mckenziemc | i think they were fighting over a third already-dead spider |
| 05:58.33 | Semlar | o.o |
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| 06:01.43 | mckenziemc | don't look at me like that, Semlar |
| 06:01.55 | mckenziemc | i have more spider legs than Torhal has cat claws. |
| 06:03.12 | Torhal | I see what you're doing. |
| 06:03.24 | Torhal | You're trying to get me to say "Challenge accepted!" |
| 06:03.27 | Torhal | Not happening. |
| 06:03.42 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 06:11.13 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/MiFavFG.jpg |
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| 06:11.19 | fewyn | MUH IMMERSION |
| 06:12.42 | Semlar | someone tweetered my thingy torhal |
| 06:12.59 | fewyn | rip curse client |
| 06:13.05 | fewyn | all hail the new curse app overlord |
| 06:13.12 | Torhal | Semlar: Indeed. |
| 06:14.47 | Semlar | what do i do |
| 06:15.02 | Torhal | Make is MOAR BETTERAR. |
| 06:15.12 | Semlar | o ok |
| 06:15.53 | kd3 | hey torhal, who do I yell at when https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/updated lists like this? http://imgur.com/WPhf5fil.png |
| 06:16.29 | Torhal | kd3: WAT |
| 06:16.54 | Stanzilla | MongoMan |
| 06:16.55 | fewyn | stop breaking things kd3 |
| 06:17.01 | Torhal | I let them know, kd3. |
| 06:17.09 | kd3 | I can't consistently get it to happen, but it started in the past few days iirc |
| 06:17.27 | Torhal | Just have one of these, kd3 https://i.imgur.com/U8OnTL3.gif |
| 06:17.48 | kd3 | heh |
| 06:17.52 | Torhal | $6 kitten raised on 100% angus beef, man. Can't beat it. |
| 06:21.43 | Ketho | semlar can you make ToonRoulette for the gluesxml it would make rerolling so much fun :p |
| 06:26.11 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:26.43 | Semlar | they should totally let us write addons for the character selection screen |
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| 06:31.14 | Mr_Rabies | attn semlar hope this helps |
| 06:31.19 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/pZUwolJ.gif |
| 06:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | the slight look of fear in his eyes |
| 06:31.53 | Semlar | :O |
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| 07:04.40 | Simca | Semlar: you already figured out how to write addons for the character selection screen though, bro |
| 07:05.03 | Simca | you could even post it on curse and advertise it and it would work universally |
| 07:05.13 | Semlar | i think they fixed it |
| 07:05.21 | Simca | ah, wow, that's a fast turnaround |
| 07:05.21 | nevcairiel | dan at least wanted t ofix it |
| 07:05.34 | Semlar | i'm not sure, i haven't tried since i mentioned it |
| 07:05.48 | Semlar | mostly because it was kind of breaking things to have my addon load into it |
| 07:05.52 | Simca | well sure, i think dan also wants to fix world hunger, but that's not scheduled until at least patch 12.3 |
| 07:06.37 | Semlar | i can check |
| 07:09.04 | Semlar | yeah i'm pretty sure they fixed it |
| 07:09.37 | Simca | figures, it's actually a really huge exploit |
| 07:10.08 | Semlar | you could launch the browser from it |
| 07:10.17 | Simca | there's that |
| 07:10.34 | Semlar | it would be nice to have access to some of those api functions though |
| 07:10.37 | Simca | you can also keylog email/password/auth and dump to savedvariables |
| 07:11.44 | Simca | given, it would be an extremely weird setup if the store didn't load until char select |
| 07:12.16 | Simca | you'd have to rely on a user going to char select and then backing out in order to have your addon loaded naturally at the right time |
| 07:18.22 | Semlar | alright this is definitely failing to set the item because it hasn't been cached yet |
| 07:19.23 | Semlar | i wonder if i can preload these or something |
| 07:21.20 | Simca | weaps? |
| 07:22.47 | Semlar | yeah |
| 07:23.02 | Semlar | if you try to equip an item that hasn't been loaded it just does nothing |
| 07:23.46 | Semlar | which is weird because i have the appearance, it seems like it could just use that |
| 07:26.02 | VIad | it just shows its designed for users to manually click stuff, and by then they are loaded :p |
| 07:26.15 | VIad | unsure how the outfits feature works if you clear cache though |
| 07:26.22 | VIad | can it also fail? |
| 07:26.35 | VIad | probably listens for item realted events to fire for a refresh or something |
| 07:28.16 | Semlar | interestingly i can set a model to the item's appearance directly, i just can't dress up a model with it |
| 07:29.02 | VIad | probably a oversight or just not needed by the default UI so it wasnt added |
| 07:29.43 | VIad | you could be really cool, make a frame for each slot, overlap them just right, apply various layering rules and use that for the slot machine effect ;d |
| 07:29.51 | Shockah|Work | well someone could link an item in chat saying it's a cool transmog - you have to left click the link first before checking how it looks |
| 07:36.54 | Kee | Is it possible to forbid loading some addon on demand? or just to handle when it gets loaded on demand? |
| 07:37.57 | nevcairiel | just listen to ADDON_LOADED |
| 07:38.17 | nevcairiel | or put it into an OptDep or such then it gets loaded before your addon |
| 07:38.44 | Kee | I cannot load my addon before other one |
| 07:39.43 | Kee | I have to, actually, load my addon WHILE loading other, and I have been adviced to load it On Demand. All works great, until⦠addon is loaded manually on demand from outside my otehr addon (like from Menu -> Addons menu) |
| 07:39.55 | Semlar | if it's listed as a dependency then your addon will load after it |
| 07:40.34 | VIad | the good old, prefix with ! or _ to make load first? ;p |
| 07:40.45 | Semlar | he doesn't want to load before the other addon |
| 07:40.52 | Kee | actually, this is not issue |
| 07:41.10 | Kee | I am loading this addon WHILE running other using LoadAddOn(); |
| 07:41.23 | Kee | I need to forbid loading addon manually or from any other addon. |
| 07:41.32 | VIad | addon_loaded event will fire when addon is loaded, if you want to load after, like nevcairiel said. but to forbid, oh :p |
| 07:41.53 | Semlar | these are both your own addons? |
| 07:42.09 | Kee | one is mine, second not, and I don't know it's name |
| 07:43.03 | VIad | go into the other addons folder, edit the toc file, add # Dependency: youraddon |
| 07:43.11 | Semlar | you can't prevent another addon from loading, so you're going to have to find another way to handle the situation |
| 07:43.33 | Kee | Can I detect somehow that addon is loading? |
| 07:43.38 | VIad | don't listen to me. listen to semlar. |
| 07:43.49 | Semlar | yes, you can watch the ADDON_LOADED event for its name |
| 07:44.17 | Semlar | or if you want to load with the other addon you can set your addon to LoadWith it in the toc file |
| 07:44.49 | VIad | with LoadWith your addon loads after the specified addon? |
| 07:44.55 | Kee | nah, it is not possible to load addon after/before other, it have to be done ONLY WHILE loading the main addon. |
| 07:45.04 | Kee | I' shall try event ADDON_LOADED then |
| 07:45.11 | Semlar | that doesn't really make any sense to me |
| 07:45.17 | VIad | yeah |
| 07:45.22 | Semlar | why does it have to load "while" the other addon is loading |
| 07:45.43 | VIad | maybe the other addon does some stuff at load and he wants to hijack some functions that are global? |
| 07:45.50 | Semlar | then he should load before it |
| 07:46.27 | Kee | ok: I have addon A, addon A loops for addons that depends on A, foreach that addon, let's say B, he creates some B structure, then loads B addon. |
| 07:47.11 | Kee | I want to disallow loading any B addon if was not loaded with A, because without structure, won't work and shall throw lua errors etc. |
| 07:48.03 | Kee | ace3' OnEnable is not working, for some reason. |
| 07:48.25 | VIad | so add # Depends: A to addon B so it can't load without A, and if you only want your own addons to be able to load the addon, you probably have to change how you handle your internal code for the "plugin" addons |
| 07:49.37 | VIad | its a bit tricky when both addons arent yours :d |
| 07:49.49 | Kee | Actually, addon A is mine |
| 07:50.09 | Kee | and all addons B (dependable on A) depends on A (from toc) |
| 07:50.23 | VIad | sounds like the only way is if you load it first, then setup code to wait for addon B to load using the event mentioned, or some other trickery |
| 07:50.34 | VIad | aha |
| 07:51.55 | Kee | I miss something like #AllowGettingLoadedOnDemandOnlyBy: AddonNAME |
| 07:52.21 | Semlar | if addon A is marked as a dependency for addon B then it doesn't matter when addon B gets loaded |
| 07:52.35 | Semlar | it's always going to load addon A first |
| 07:53.01 | Semlar | all you have to do is make sure whatever addon B needs is set up in addon A |
| 07:53.48 | Kee | but this is not issue, I have handled it, however, I need to disallow loading addon B if addon A didn't load it. |
| 07:53.59 | Semlar | why |
| 07:54.34 | Kee | because addon A adds structure to every loaded addon B, and if addon B is loaded without this structure, it won't work properly |
| 07:54.55 | Kee | thus, I want to disallow loading it |
| 07:55.11 | Kee | in case it was disabled when UI was loaded |
| 07:55.31 | Semlar | like i said, if addon A is a dependency of addon B, that situation can't happen |
| 07:55.36 | VIad | if you can't edit the toc for addon B to require addon A, then its going to be tricky |
| 07:55.53 | Semlar | you can't load addon B without loading addon A |
| 07:55.56 | Kee | I can edit both toc's |
| 07:56.01 | VIad | then it should be fine |
| 07:56.12 | VIad | if you just make B require addon A, the game will make sure A loads first |
| 07:56.13 | Kee | But this is not issue |
| 07:56.21 | Semlar | that's literally the issue you described to us |
| 07:56.28 | Kee | yes, A loads first, and A loads B |
| 07:56.29 | Semlar | addon A has to create the "structure" for addon B |
| 07:56.56 | Kee | But if B is disabled, A won't load B |
| 07:57.02 | Shockah|Work | i think he's missing information on the addons depending on A |
| 07:57.36 | Kee | then, if we enable addon B, it stays without structure and won't work. |
| 07:57.39 | Semlar | i think he has it set up in some way that he can't rewrite A to handle B loading from anything except addon A calling LoadAddOn |
| 07:57.44 | Semlar | he just needs to restructure it |
| 07:57.52 | Shockah|Work | what is this structure you're speaking of anyway |
| 07:58.03 | Shockah|Work | why can't the B addon do some call to A to create it |
| 07:58.04 | VIad | it could be a framework of how this is handled, that could be optimized |
| 07:58.44 | Semlar | i'm getting tired of metaphorical addons though |
| 07:58.58 | Semlar | i'd need to know the real situation to understand what the problem is |
| 07:59.01 | VIad | what about metamorphorical addons? |
| 07:59.34 | Kee | In addon A, I am registering B events and handling them, plus adding it's options to addon A. |
| 08:00.04 | VIad | you could wrap the code in addon B in such way, that you can pass the required data to A via some global A exposes |
| 08:00.18 | VIad | and let A read the package and do what it needs to do, without further need of B :p |
| 08:00.43 | VIad | basically some table you define in B and pass to A as B loads, and when using Depends in the toc, A will always be there and ready to take such data |
| 08:00.47 | VIad | just an idea |
| 08:00.54 | Torhal | It sounds like you have a circular dependency. In which case, I highly suggest rethinking your strategy. If B depends on A, then B should tell A "I'm here, set me up" |
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| 08:01.04 | VIad | ^ like that |
| 08:01.43 | Kee | this is what I do. However, partially of events are still handled in B. |
| 08:02.01 | Kee | some evenets are stillâ¦* |
| 08:02.21 | VIad | you might need to reorganize a bit to make this work better :( |
| 08:03.20 | Torhal | Then you need to rethink your strategy. This is convoluted and error-prone. If B depends on A, A should set everything up for B that B needs from A. If B also needs to do its own stuff, it should do so after getting information from A. |
| 08:03.30 | Torhal | There is literally no reason to "need" what you claim to need. |
| 08:04.02 | Kee | oh |
| 08:05.11 | Kee | So "If B also needs to do its own stuff, it should do so after getting information from A. " What if B didn't got info from A, because was disabled? |
| 08:05.34 | Semlar | ahhhhh i know why weapons aren't working right |
| 08:05.48 | Semlar | i think it's trying to equip weapons that your weapon can't be transmogged into |
| 08:06.14 | Torhal | Kee: Then B needs to have A as a dependency. |
| 08:06.24 | Torhal | Seriously, all of this is taken care of already. |
| 08:06.53 | Kee | But B has A as dependency |
| 08:07.09 | Semlar | then B can't load without A |
| 08:07.09 | Shockah|Work | then you can't have B loaded without A |
| 08:07.18 | Torhal | https://wow.gamepedia.com/TOC_format <-- Look in there to see how to make B refuse to load if A is disabled. |
| 08:07.20 | Semlar | B literally can't be loaded without A if it's a dependency |
| 08:07.39 | Torhal | Since what I'm saying is obviously not making sense. |
| 08:07.42 | Torhal | Go read that. |
| 08:07.56 | Kee | However, A cannot load B until we manually enable B, from menu. |
| 08:08.13 | Shockah|Work | what. |
| 08:08.14 | Semlar | if B is marked as LoadOnDemand then A can load it |
| 08:08.15 | Torhal | You're seriously overthinking this. |
| 08:08.37 | Kee | but it can't be loaded, as it's disabled |
| 08:08.47 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:09.02 | Kee | I get DEP_DISABLED error |
| 08:09.02 | Torhal | LoadAddOn has return values that will tell you this. |
| 08:09.11 | Torhal | Yes. And if it's disabled, you can't load it. |
| 08:09.17 | Kee | yes, exactly |
| 08:09.22 | Torhal | Cannot. |
| 08:09.37 | Torhal | So where is the problem? |
| 08:09.43 | Kee | However, if I enable it manually, I won't to disallow loading it. |
| 08:09.50 | Kee | want* |
| 08:09.50 | Torhal | If you cannot load B because it is disabled, then B cannot have issues with A whatsoever. |
| 08:10.14 | Kee | But I can enable it, then LoD it manually |
| 08:10.20 | Torhal | If you're manually loading things that are disabled without first loading their dependencies, you're insane. |
| 08:10.42 | Kee | I am not, but I know users are, and I want to avoid getting such tickets. |
| 08:10.50 | Torhal | You can't |
| 08:10.54 | Torhal | Tell them they're insane. |
| 08:10.56 | VIad | :D |
| 08:10.57 | Kee | oh |
| 08:11.11 | VIad | you could prefix your addon B to check if A is loaded right? |
| 08:11.20 | Kee | yes |
| 08:11.21 | VIad | if not IsAddOnLoadeD(A) then return end -- at the top |
| 08:11.45 | VIad | or something akin to that, so the insane users wont at least get errors, or you could print a message and verbally shame them |
| 08:11.50 | Kee | but A is always loaded |
| 08:11.54 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:11.57 | Shockah|Work | what. |
| 08:12.03 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.07 | Torhal | I'm done here. Back to coding. |
| 08:12.29 | Kee | ok nevermind, i'll tell them they are insane |
| 08:12.32 | VIad | :d |
| 08:12.39 | VIad | easiest solution is usually the correct one |
| 08:12.41 | Kee | thanks for advice them :) |
| 08:13.04 | Semlar | see torhal this is why i never release anything |
| 08:13.09 | VIad | lol |
| 08:13.14 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 08:13.24 | VIad | oh Semlar you can update your questplates |
| 08:13.36 | VIad | but I wonder, how did you plan to make them work with mobs that have more than one quest associated? |
| 08:13.37 | Torhal | That conversation fucked with my mind so badly I forgot what I loaded WoW to test |
| 08:14.03 | Semlar | questplates just takes the highest number of objectives from the target and lists that |
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| 08:14.19 | Semlar | so if you need to kill 300 of them and only need to loot 6 of them it will list 300 on it |
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| 08:14.34 | VIad | aha |
| 08:14.51 | VIad | I wrote my own variant based on that idea for myself :p |
| 08:15.02 | VIad | so when legion hits its easy for me to see how many of some mobs I need to kill |
| 08:15.33 | Semlar | i merged questplates into my nameplate addon because otherwise i'd have to account for whatever your nameplates happen to look like with whatever nameplate addon you're using |
| 08:15.51 | VIad | like the minimap shape API the community made |
| 08:15.56 | VIad | we need something similar for nameplates :p |
| 08:16.08 | VIad | sadly unsure if that can ever happen |
| 08:16.10 | Semlar | i thought about that, but it would be tricky |
| 08:16.24 | VIad | like some table that has the exact keys |
| 08:16.29 | VIad | to reference the various UI elements |
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| 08:16.38 | VIad | .hpBar is always the hpBar StatusBar widget, e.g. |
| 08:16.43 | Semlar | right |
| 08:16.58 | VIad | I mean with the CNamePlates its easy to get the main table now |
| 08:17.07 | VIad | and using one key there to specify this info, could work |
| 08:17.18 | VIad | you never run more than one nameplate addon anyway :p |
| 08:17.20 | Semlar | you would have to get people to adopt it too, but there's only a handful of big nameplate addons anyway |
| 08:17.23 | VIad | unless you are insane |
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| 08:18.25 | Semlar | maybe a library to let people register the different elements of their nameplate |
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| 08:19.06 | VIad | performance wise though you'd also want to avoid a lot of overhead lookups and such |
| 08:19.32 | Miiru | all you people talking about insane people makes me listen to cypress hill |
| 08:20.03 | Semlar | cypress hill makes me think of pringles |
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| 08:21.16 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.42 | VIad | btw the earlier conversation could have been about private server addons, given he didnt want to name them :p |
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| 08:22.38 | Shockah|Work | does it matter that much anyway? |
| 08:22.40 | VIad | nah |
| 08:22.51 | VIad | still seemed like poorly written plugin framework |
| 08:22.55 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
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| 08:24.39 | VIad | but questplates is neat idea so thanks for that, Semlar |
| 08:25.28 | Semlar | yeah i really missed it when it was broken, and i barely do any quests |
| 08:25.50 | VIad | it will be glorious for legion leveling now |
| 08:25.54 | VIad | with friends and such |
| 08:25.57 | VIad | dont have to read the tooltip :D |
| 08:26.05 | VIad | can easily see how much I need to kill of something |
| 08:27.30 | VIad | I didnt quite understand the code about quest item use - does it make the background on the circle yellow? |
| 08:27.38 | VIad | think you only changed the texcoords or something :p |
| 08:28.03 | VIad | I saw you at some point got the item texture of what ever item you would need to use on the npc or what ever, but I noticed you never actually used it |
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| 08:35.12 | VIad | visual studio spent like 1.5h repairing :p |
| 08:35.32 | VIad | if I could I would download all the packages at home and bring them to work |
| 08:35.50 | VIad | the puny 4mb installer wants to download everything on demand, but that takes time. |
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| 08:37.20 | nevcairiel | they also offer full ISOs |
| 08:38.29 | VIad | I will grab that for next time VS wants to be painful |
| 08:38.46 | VIad | randomly started crashing yesterday, so I will repair and flush the cache files |
| 08:38.47 | Shockah|Work | huh? you're using VS for Lua / WoW addons dev? |
| 08:38.59 | VIad | no, this is sharepoint app related |
| 08:39.02 | Shockah|Work | ah okay |
| 08:39.13 | VIad | easy to deploy and debug |
| 08:39.17 | Shockah|Work | i was wondering if there's a better way to do it than Sublime Text |
| 08:39.25 | VIad | I'd love it if VS had proper lua support |
| 08:39.34 | VIad | but writing syntax modules for VS is probably hell |
| 08:41.26 | tz | VS lua support + attach to WoW.exe |
| 08:41.29 | tz | *drools* |
| 08:41.35 | VIad | oh man |
| 08:41.43 | VIad | don't make me so wet, I am at work |
| 08:41.55 | Shockah|Work | haha |
| 08:42.02 | Shockah|Work | yeah i miss proper debugging |
| 08:42.10 | tz | mmhmmmmm |
| 08:42.36 | VIad | intellij something has lua support module someone made, but yet another IDE man :< |
| 08:43.38 | tz | Civ5 had a tool which could connect to the in-game lua and you could debug in realtime |
| 08:43.48 | tz | was a bit half-arsed, but it was at runtime, was awesome |
| 08:44.01 | Shockah|Work | yeah if they only wanted to do so they could |
| 08:44.17 | tz | I'd imagine they've got something internally |
| 08:44.18 | VIad | guess if wow has that, its removed outside dev env :p |
| 08:44.34 | VIad | can't imagine UI devs /reload all the time, haha |
| 08:44.39 | VIad | would be such a misery |
| 08:44.48 | VIad | added new texture, better reboot |
| 08:45.07 | Semlar | TheDanW: i got weapons working properly, it was trying to equip looks that your weapon couldn't use |
| 08:46.44 | VIad | PEBCAK? classic |
| 08:47.10 | VIad | gets to the best of us |
| 08:47.56 | Semlar | i thought i had accounted for it but apparently not |
| 08:48.11 | VIad | crap got to reboot - windows :p |
| 08:48.47 | tz | jeez, didn't realise adding a new texture needed a reboot |
| 08:48.56 | VIad | I once had a guy say he put the PC to hibernate and powered it up again, so he didnt loose his work, when he had to reboot |
| 08:49.05 | tz | lol |
| 08:49.05 | VIad | you can edit textures and /reload but not add new files |
| 08:49.20 | Shockah|Work | yeah adding ANY file |
| 08:49.29 | VIad | also you can't override game files anymore :( |
| 08:49.45 | VIad | tried to make empty sounds in Data\Sound\Creature\Rhonin because he spams dalaran with his speech |
| 08:50.02 | Shockah|Work | wait what? you can still override textures, can't you |
| 08:50.09 | VIad | Interface folder yes |
| 08:50.15 | VIad | but sound files are in another location |
| 08:50.20 | VIad | could try adding it to Wow\Sound\ |
| 08:50.20 | Shockah|Work | oh ok |
| 08:50.26 | VIad | tried Wow\Data\Sound |
| 08:51.12 | VIad | also heads up, there is a magician in new dalaran on loop spamming the chat too |
| 08:51.23 | VIad | the torture is far from over *reboots* |
| 08:51.39 | Shockah|Work | bleh |
| 08:51.55 | Semlar | i'm quite sure i saw an addon that silenced specific sounds earlier |
| 08:52.17 | Semlar | leatrix something or other |
| 08:52.34 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info24103-LeatrixSoundKit.html |
| 08:53.24 | Shockah|Work | "For example, if you want to silence spell sounds, open the 'Silence spell sounds' folder and extract/copy the Sound folder to your World of Warcraft folder." |
| 08:54.23 | Shockah|Work | huh so maybe the path did change from WoW/Data/Sound to WoW/Sound |
| 08:58.07 | Semlar | etrace opens behind the transmog window :( |
| 09:04.34 | VIad | etrace should just be set to FULLSCREEN strata :p |
| 09:04.48 | VIad | I always struggle with it falling behind elements |
| 09:13.50 | VIad | reason I have to fix VS is because it takes like 5-10 min to compile and for SP to install the package, then I simply live debug and such, but if it crashes I have to redo the process -_- |
| 09:13.57 | VIad | those 5-10 min that is |
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| 09:54.35 | VIad | listening to music at work, not because I want to be antisocial, but I enjoy it and I feel like it helps me work better |
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| 10:54.52 | Semlar | what do you suppose it means if "collected" is false for one of your transmog outfits |
| 10:55.19 | Semlar | i'm guessing it's missing an appearance |
| 10:55.38 | Semlar | but you would have to have lost an appearance somehow for that to happen |
| 10:56.16 | Shockah|Work | if you traded someone one of your transmog appearance items before the 2h limit? |
| 10:56.21 | Shockah|Work | just a guess |
| 10:56.50 | Semlar | i saw a global string somewhere that implied you would lose an appearance by trading |
| 10:56.56 | Shockah|Work | yep you do |
| 10:57.04 | Shockah|Work | i tried it with a guildie on a raid |
| 10:57.43 | nevcairiel | also if you refund an item from a vendor or something like that |
| 10:57.57 | Shockah|Work | that too |
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| 11:04.33 | Semlar | i wonder if i should even bother checking if "collected" is true when choosing a random outfit |
| 11:05.51 | Semlar | i assume it still equips the rest of the appearances |
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| 12:13.19 | nevcairiel | VIad: the magicians voice is only audible if you stand right next to him, if you move only a few meters away it stops |
| 12:15.49 | VIad | well, thats good to hear. |
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| 12:21.31 | VIad | I hope they add more than just two acts also, two is so easy to spot, and a bit boring that there are only two :( |
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| 13:53.26 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/h3xZWuG gotta be fake |
| 13:57.55 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: Maybe not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Holm |
| 13:58.08 | Thunder_Child | If that's the same guy. |
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| 14:08.04 | Tentacled | Boo, Blizzard's AuctionUI bugs out. http://i.imgur.com/E5Powcf.png color = ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[quality] results in a nil, so GetAuctionItemInfo doesn't return quality as consistently as the code expects it to. |
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| 14:09.10 | Andols2 | Yepp that's Stefan Holm |
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| 14:10.38 | Andols2 | Met him once :D |
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| 14:27.06 | mfgmfg | oh hey clicking works again on beta |
| 14:28.05 | Shockah|Work | clicking? |
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| 14:30.08 | nevcairiel | yeah they fixed that last week already |
| 14:30.11 | VIad | no wonder he got gold medals. he like jumps my height |
| 14:30.13 | nevcairiel | i hope it goes live soon |
| 14:31.11 | mfgmfg | last week? |
| 14:31.13 | mfgmfg | it was broken yesterday |
| 14:31.23 | nevcairiel | maybe we're talking about different clicking |
| 14:31.33 | mfgmfg | couldn't click names/items in chat |
| 14:31.48 | nevcairiel | oh that |
| 14:31.59 | Shockah|Work | oh so i'm not going insane |
| 14:33.17 | VIad | where can I find the curse app? |
| 14:33.20 | VIad | I still got the old client |
| 14:33.40 | nebula | curse.com |
| 14:33.46 | mfgmfg | i wonder how many different world servers there are now |
| 14:33.55 | mfgmfg | and which one the druid order hall is in |
| 14:33.57 | VIad | hmm. can I get the app without the social stuff? |
| 14:34.03 | nebula | nope |
| 14:34.11 | mfgmfg | they want you to use the app with the social stuff. |
| 14:34.16 | VIad | yeah |
| 14:34.17 | mfgmfg | that's why they made it. |
| 14:34.20 | nebula | you can make the app open to the addon stuff so you don't see it, though |
| 14:34.21 | Shockah|Work | VIad, kinda why i'm wondering if anyone's gonna make an alternative client |
| 14:34.23 | mfgmfg | and deprecated the old one |
| 14:34.34 | Shockah|Work | if this one stops working |
| 14:34.40 | VIad | I hope people wont start to call me or stuff |
| 14:34.51 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 14:34.52 | VIad | because the client is ultra social and thinks I want to use it as the new facebook |
| 14:35.05 | Shockah|Work | "Having an addon problem? Call the dev!" |
| 14:36.07 | VIad | will the old client be killed soon? |
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| 14:37.12 | Shockah|Work | "TL;DR: Curse Client v5 is being phased out, and all of its functionality is being added to the Curse app. This will occur for WoW mod users in the near future" |
| 14:37.15 | Shockah|Work | sounds like it |
| 14:37.23 | Shockah|Work | not sure how soon but yeah |
| 14:38.06 | Thunder_Child | Probably a 'Blizzard' soon. |
| 14:38.17 | nebula | they'll kill it when the new wowace launchs |
| 14:38.21 | nebula | sometime in 2020 |
| 14:39.17 | nebula | but if it's not on "legacy" apis, not sure why they would force it to not work |
| 14:41.52 | Thunder_Child | so people would use the new one. |
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| 15:18.05 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnjGw9ZL3QQ |
| 15:18.36 | mikma | for the first time since WoW opened up, i'm not interested of the coming expansion. at all. |
| 15:18.48 | mikma | which is nice, so i can spend my money on cocaine and prostitutes |
| 15:20.09 | Miiru | my only hope is that the dungeon system can keep me entertained. I do not like the artifact system at all |
| 15:21.41 | mikma | you should also try cocaine and prostitutes! |
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| 16:04.20 | karl_w_w | 2 hours left for predictions VIad |
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| 16:05.49 | mckenziemc | i predict karl_w_w will be ossified. |
| 16:05.52 | VIad | :o |
| 16:05.55 | VIad | what are yours, karl_w_w? |
| 16:09.16 | karl_w_w | from left to right, sd riki et slark bh, medusa alch alch slark ember, secret mvp og liquid navi, alliance liquid alliance wings tnc, miracle miracle hao bulba febby, hao EE miracle fata n0tail, 51-53 91-100 81-90 91-100 90-99, 15-19 23-25 15-17 36+ 1000+ |
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| 16:17.56 | mckenziemc | what is this i don't even |
| 16:20.10 | Thunder_Child | You don't want to. |
| 16:22.30 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc, we predict stats for the tournament in the hopes of winning pretty pixels |
| 16:23.43 | VIad | hmm. why does the minimap use the square area when inside, but when outside its forced circle? |
| 16:23.58 | VIad | not circle, but like, when you rotate, black areas around the square :p |
| 16:25.15 | mckenziemc | just avoid the blue ones, karl_w_w: you don't want to disturb your melanopsin |
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| 16:48.44 | Semlar | torhal how long does it take curse to update its cache |
| 16:49.04 | Semlar | it's been over 2 hours and the page still shows the old file and description |
| 16:49.44 | Zeldo | vlad: define soon |
| 16:49.52 | Zeldo | Semlar: Shouldnât be that long, what project? |
| 16:50.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.17 | Semlar | it looks like it just updated the description but still has the old file |
| 16:50.57 | nebula | weird, it shows all three in other downloads, but the newest is 2 |
| 16:52.20 | Semlar | i'm not even going to question how total and monthly downloads aren't the same number |
| 16:52.34 | TheDanW | Semlar: ah, makes sense |
| 16:53.13 | Semlar | TheDanW: apparently you can't transmog a staff into a fist weapon |
| 16:53.27 | TheDanW | sounds like a challenge |
| 16:53.36 | Semlar | i tried |
| 16:53.47 | Thunder_Child | Easy, break off a part of the staff. Fist weapon. |
| 16:53.58 | TheDanW | if semlar can't do it, probably not possible |
| 16:54.02 | Semlar | :D |
| 16:54.30 | Thunder_Child | He doesn't need more ego TheDanW. |
| 16:55.01 | nebula | also, if Semlar CAN do it, probably not possible |
| 16:55.08 | TheDanW | just saying, the entire UI might be tainted but it'll get done |
| 16:56.17 | Semlar | >_> |
| 16:57.19 | Thunder_Child | That is not the kind of encouragement that people should get. |
| 16:58.36 | Zeldo | Semlar: Fixed? |
| 16:58.42 | Semlar | yep, thanks |
| 16:59.01 | Zeldo | <3 |
| 16:59.50 | Semlar | i think i may have put the "randomize outfits" button too close to the actual outfit dropdown |
| 17:00.56 | Semlar | i can see someone accidentally clicking it while trying to save a new one |
| 17:02.26 | Semlar | well that sounds like a tomorrow problem |
| 17:02.55 | Thunder_Child | Someone should really rewrite the transmog ui to be more efficient. |
| 17:02.59 | nebula | obviously is should move that button and take it's spot |
| 17:03.11 | Semlar | good point nebula |
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| 17:09.59 | mfgmfg | i'd like to be able to type in bloodfang and get all slots |
| 17:10.17 | mfgmfg | or at least highlight the slots on top |
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| 17:11.39 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/XyYS1g3.png |
| 17:11.42 | fewyn | this is going to be fun |
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| 17:13.43 | VIad | I am working on my own bag addon, but the default sorting function, what kind of rules does it follow when sorting the bags? |
| 17:15.16 | fewyn | voodoo magic |
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| 17:44.30 | Gnarfoz | it just rules |
| 17:46.54 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 17:46.54 | purl | changes Gnarfoz's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 17:47.13 | Gnarfoz | fun for all! |
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| 17:59.02 | fewyn | there we go i'm now on the win10 anniversary version |
| 17:59.15 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 17:59.43 | Andols | Anniversary edition? |
| 17:59.53 | fewyn | the update that goes out today |
| 17:59.59 | fewyn | it includes extensions for Edge |
| 18:00.00 | Fisker | Redstone update |
| 18:01.35 | fewyn | yep |
| 18:03.28 | mfgmfg | bash? |
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| 18:05.04 | fewyn | yes |
| 18:07.57 | Primer | people use Edge? |
| 18:08.03 | fewyn | i might! |
| 18:08.09 | fewyn | once iget more extensions |
| 18:08.20 | Primer | I recommend against it |
| 18:08.25 | fewyn | why |
| 18:08.30 | Primer | because IE |
| 18:08.33 | fewyn | it's not IE |
| 18:08.38 | Primer | please |
| 18:08.42 | fewyn | not even related except the same icon |
| 18:08.54 | fewyn | it was a complete rewrite |
| 18:08.58 | Primer | That's just marketing. Don't fall for it. |
| 18:09.16 | fewyn | the marketing was keeping the icon as an E |
| 18:09.17 | Primer | So this Cursor addon...is it supposed to work? Because so far it does nothing |
| 18:10.19 | Primer | I only recently added it (post patch) because I often lose the cursor and need a better visual indicator for it |
| 18:12.56 | Primer | load, apply...preview never changes, cursor in game never changes |
| 18:13.02 | mckenziemc | it broke |
| 18:13.32 | mckenziemc | Torhal explained why around the 7.0.3 patch but i've forgotten |
| 18:13.37 | mckenziemc | positioning issue i think |
| 18:13.52 | Primer | I just went by the fact that it was updated. Thanks. |
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| 18:15.25 | Gnarfoz | I think the notice you seek is in the changelog |
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| 18:22.24 | Tentacled | TheDanW: any hopes for a fix in the built-in AuctionUI that bugs out on "fast" auction scans? Or, since it's totally an addon-only activity, it's unlikely to get high priority? :P |
| 18:22.45 | Tentacled | s/fix in/fix for a bug in/ |
| 18:23.26 | mckenziemc | what's broken now :( |
| 18:24.14 | Tentacled | Blizzard's AuctionUI bugs out. http://i.imgur.com/E5Powcf.png color = ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[quality] results in a nil, because GetAuctionItemInfo doesn't return quality as consistently as the code expects it to. |
| 18:24.29 | mfgmfg | fewyn, figure out where bash is in the live version? |
| 18:26.11 | fewyn | i think you need to turn on developer mode |
| 18:26.36 | mfgmfg | tried that. |
| 18:26.38 | mfgmfg | Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature : Feature name Microsoft-Windows-Subsystem-Linux is unknown. |
| 18:26.47 | fewyn | haven't figured it out yet |
| 18:26.57 | mfgmfg | bash : The term 'bash' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. |
| 18:27.11 | mckenziemc | i'll let you two work out the kinks |
| 18:27.15 | fewyn | oh |
| 18:27.18 | fewyn | you have to install it |
| 18:27.22 | fewyn | from features and settings mfgmfg |
| 18:27.28 | mfgmfg | don't see it there |
| 18:27.34 | Gnarfoz | where else would it be, honestly? :p |
| 18:27.35 | mfgmfg | those are the beta instructions |
| 18:27.57 | fewyn | mfgmfg: http://i.imgur.com/URgurnc.png |
| 18:28.00 | Gnarfoz | my update is still installing as I type ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 18:28.08 | mfgmfg | fewyn, win 10 pro or ent? |
| 18:28.11 | fewyn | pro |
| 18:28.27 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: ima do a clean install |
| 18:28.36 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: enjoy |
| 18:28.39 | mfgmfg | oh wait. windows update didn't finish the update |
| 18:28.45 | fewyn | rip |
| 18:28.46 | nevcairiel | in the morrow probably |
| 18:28.49 | Gnarfoz | rip hehe |
| 18:29.06 | Gnarfoz | shit, someone write a firmware dumper for me or something |
| 18:29.32 | fewyn | ? |
| 18:29.56 | Gnarfoz | my mouse's settings are saved on the device |
| 18:30.08 | Gnarfoz | but the settings program apparently doesn't have a function to read them back from there |
| 18:30.33 | Gnarfoz | I bought a new one (same model) and I of course want the same DPI/polling and such settings |
| 18:30.38 | fewyn | ah |
| 18:30.50 | fewyn | what mouse |
| 18:30.54 | Gnarfoz | Func MS-3 R2 |
| 18:31.13 | Gnarfoz | (yes, the Func that Fnatic bought, fuck them. :P) |
| 18:31.18 | fewyn | never heard of it |
| 18:31.39 | Gnarfoz | and you won't in the future (except maybe from me xD) |
| 18:31.52 | fewyn | i think i'm getting a corsair mouse |
| 18:31.56 | fewyn | with this paycheck |
| 18:32.05 | fewyn | to replace my broken logitech mmo mouse |
| 18:32.07 | Gnarfoz | fnatic bought func (quite a veteran mousepad/gaming peripherals maker) recently, now they only make fnatic branded stuff. |
| 18:34.16 | fewyn | https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013KK9JOO/ |
| 18:34.20 | fewyn | this is what i'll probably buy |
| 18:35.39 | Thunder_Child | I really like the Corsair K70 I have, but I am not a fan of their mice. |
| 18:36.14 | Gnarfoz | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826247003 apparently one of the few sites to still have a proper description for it up |
| 18:36.18 | fewyn | for some reason i clicked on the more expensive version of that mouse |
| 18:36.20 | fewyn | https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019OQJ9XE/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_2 |
| 18:37.52 | Gnarfoz | yellow paint is very expensive. |
| 18:38.03 | fewyn | nah it was from a different vendor |
| 18:38.37 | fewyn | https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gaming-SCIMITAR-Mechanical-Buttons/dp/B013KK9JOO |
| 18:38.53 | fewyn | the yellow one is out of stock from amazon proper |
| 18:39.12 | fewyn | and it seems one of my chrome extensions is redirecting me to someone who has it in stock |
| 18:41.51 | Gnarfoz | Amazon does that itself, I think |
| 18:51.48 | mckenziemc | blizzard stole my old main's swift flight form o.O |
| 18:52.38 | Guill | So what's the advantage of running Windows-Subsystem-Linux over just using a Docker container with a shared volume? |
| 18:53.15 | mckenziemc | EEE, Guill |
| 18:59.03 | VIad | so very often something happens that makes one of my items stuck at "retrieving item information" |
| 18:59.10 | VIad | fixed if I exit and clear the cache folder :p |
| 18:59.24 | Andols | Fewyn: buy a mionix mouse :) Really good mouse :) |
| 18:59.42 | VIad | ( http://www.wowhead.com/item=128482 ) |
| 19:11.47 | TheDanW | Tentacled: it can actually happen without addons its just more difficult, the fix will be making the Lua AH code to handle missing AH data until it's resolved asynchronously |
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| 19:19.50 | VIad | my solution is to pcall everything |
| 19:20.29 | mckenziemc | pcalls VIad an amateur. |
| 19:23.28 | Gnarfoz | Guill: one is native, the other seems like a bunch of stuff piled on top of each other? |
| 19:24.02 | mfgmfg | fewyn, there. update installed this time around. got the WSfL beta option now - but have to reboot again, ugh |
| 19:24.04 | Thunder_Child | The sad part is docker seems more native. |
| 19:24.15 | Gnarfoz | ? that makes no sense. |
| 19:24.29 | Thunder_Child | As I understand it, you can't call any core functionality with the bash subsystem. |
| 19:24.43 | Gnarfoz | whatever 'core functionality' may be? |
| 19:24.52 | Gnarfoz | and it's not a bash subsystem :D |
| 19:25.00 | Thunder_Child | less than powershell |
| 19:25.22 | nevcairiel | it sounds like you misunderstood its purpose |
| 19:25.23 | Gnarfoz | uhm... it's bash, not powershell, why would you compare that |
| 19:26.55 | Gnarfoz | (and re docker: since docker is just a container, what would be in the container? or what would the container run *on*? do you have an entire type 2 hypervisor in that stack? none of that sounds particularly "native" to me :P) |
| 19:27.07 | Thunder_Child | That bit was a joke. |
| 19:27.42 | Gnarfoz | let it be known it was a terrible one! :D |
| 19:27.44 | Gnarfoz | rebooting for kernel update, wheee |
| 19:28.09 | Guill | Gnarfoz: Re core functionality: Can the windows linux subsystem run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda"? |
| 19:28.15 | Guill | I definitely need that |
| 19:28.39 | Guill | Also "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/snd". How else do I create soothing white noise? |
| 19:28.41 | Thunder_Child | Maybe I did misunderstand the point of bash on windows. In my mind if I want to do foo on linux via CLI it's in simplified (bash) if I want to do it on windows it's in cmd/powershell. Ideally bash would replace them. Maybe not then. |
| 19:29.09 | Thunder_Child | speaker-test |
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| 19:31.13 | Gnarfoz | It's not aimed at replacing either cmd or ps, and it's not a "bash subsystem" for a reason. You're supposed to be able to run Linux programs on this. Bash is just one of them |
| 19:32.24 | Gnarfoz | (there's plenty of websites and programs that can create arbitrary sound patterns - and you want to destroy your (most likely) system drive? Ok ð) |
| 19:32.49 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure how much direct device access it has. |
| 19:33.40 | Stanzilla | the linux subsystem doesnt even do sockets right atm |
| 19:33.41 | Gnarfoz | I can check in a few minutes (or mfgmfg or fewyn can :-P) |
| 19:34.22 | Stanzilla | so you can't even do "ping" :D |
| 19:34.45 | Gnarfoz | That sounds like a bit of an oversight? Lol |
| 19:35.38 | Alram | if it was actually something meant for production use sure |
| 19:35.40 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 19:35.40 | Stanzilla | just not yet implemented |
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| 19:35.47 | Gnarfoz | Well, they said they would implement more and more stuff as they go along, it's now time to find out how far they've gotten |
| 19:35.48 | Stanzilla | it's flagged beta for a reason |
| 19:36.00 | Stanzilla | https://github.com/Microsoft/BashOnWindows/issues/69 |
| 19:36.03 | Alram | they're still going along :D |
| 19:36.04 | Stanzilla | has a nice list of what is not working |
| 19:36.18 | Alram | people have to turn on developer mode for a reason :D |
| 19:36.28 | Stanzilla | hey Alram |
| 19:36.28 | Stanzilla | you turn me on |
| 19:36.37 | Gnarfoz | Terrible that it's named that, just confuses more people |
| 19:36.39 | Alram | i have that effect on many people yes |
| 19:36.46 | Gnarfoz | (the repo) |
| 19:37.16 | Stanzilla | why? |
| 19:37.16 | Alram | they refer to it as WSL which is a better but still confusing name |
| 19:37.27 | Alram | (Windows Subsystem for Linux) |
| 19:37.34 | Stanzilla | I think BashOnUbuntuOnWindows is worse |
| 19:37.51 | Thunder_Child | Yea, needs to be tcsh. |
| 19:38.06 | Alram | for a first attempt this is pretty nice though |
| 19:38.15 | Gnarfoz | Why not just call it by its actual name? |
| 19:38.36 | Gnarfoz | Also, TCP and UDP sockets are supported, so it's not a terrible as it sounds |
| 19:38.47 | Alram | whats the actual name |
| 19:38.53 | Alram | windows subsystem for linux? |
| 19:38.56 | Gnarfoz | The one you gave |
| 19:38.59 | Gnarfoz | Yeah |
| 19:39.02 | Alram | no idea |
| 19:39.17 | Gnarfoz | (on my phone now, PC is doing the update dance) |
| 19:39.26 | Alram | i think they mostly rebranded to wsl though in many places |
| 19:39.36 | Alram | but the repo remains unchanged |
| 19:39.44 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: Thunder_Child shell? B-) |
| 19:40.32 | Alram | tbh this is all still dark magic to me |
| 19:40.39 | Alram | i know how it works but it still seems like cheating |
| 19:43.48 | Gnarfoz | Hehe |
| 19:44.46 | Gnarfoz | it's the "truest" way to do it, from my understanding, isn't it? |
| 19:45.27 | Gnarfoz | i.e. an actual NT subsystem, like designed for all those years ago? |
| 19:45.35 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: Yes. |
| 19:47.01 | Gnarfoz | Certainly digging that they stuck to that instead of sneakily using Hyper-V behind the scenes, for example |
| 19:47.18 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: not sure what "NT subsystem" means, but they practically made the NT kernel understand Unix syscalls, ie. make it act like a Unix kkernel |
| 19:47.36 | nevcairiel | and for some reason my k key repeats itself lately |
| 19:47.40 | nevcairiel | sometimes |
| 19:47.52 | Gnarfoz | I think my login prompt might be on my TV (which is off) and I'm staring at this blank screen for no reason |
| 19:48.18 | kullervo | hit it hard, and hit it very fast. Hit it like you mean it. |
| 19:48.20 | nevcairiel | anyway i'm done gaming for the night so I might as well get to upgrading, the long way around |
| 19:49.18 | Stanzilla | syscall translator is a good word for it |
| 19:49.48 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: do you really want to do a fresh install every time a big update is released? |
| 19:49.55 | nevcairiel | certainly |
| 19:49.59 | nevcairiel | its only like once a year at most |
| 19:50.12 | Gnarfoz | Hehe, it's on the TV alright, but it wasn't done updating, yet https://goo.gl/photos/pEVSfvfy6k3U6yhR6 |
| 19:51.14 | Stanzilla | every half year but yeah |
| 19:51.19 | Stanzilla | still would be too annoying for me :D |
| 19:51.44 | VIad | items seem to cache badly and some of them are unable to be retrieved |
| 19:51.59 | nevcairiel | i even changed motherboard in between with this install, i usually would've re-installed then but delayed it to get t he update |
| 19:52.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Windows_NT#/media/File%3AWindows_2000_architecture.svg top right box, basically |
| 19:53.12 | nevcairiel | then i suppose it works like that |
| 19:54.03 | Gnarfoz | Not quite sure why enwiki doesn't have an article for https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsystem_(Windows) |
| 19:54.48 | Gnarfoz | PIN screen animation is different! That's really all the change I need |
| 19:57.41 | Gnarfoz | Choose your app mode: light / dark yusssss |
| 19:58.04 | Stanzilla | I wish dark wasn't just pitch black |
| 19:58.14 | Stanzilla | the grey they had in some version was way better |
| 19:58.40 | Gnarfoz | It's quite black, yes, heh |
| 19:58.59 | Stanzilla | it's #000000 |
| 19:59.39 | Gnarfoz | Until someone invents a color darker than black, I'll be wearing black |
| 20:00.06 | Gnarfoz | I can turn off the action center, but can't I make it be left of the clock again, like before? |
| 20:04.08 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:05.29 | Gnarfoz | How? |
| 20:05.46 | Stanzilla | yes, you can't |
| 20:05.58 | Arrow|work | Gnarfoz: they did that |
| 20:06.26 | Gnarfoz | Arrow|work: they did what? |
| 20:06.32 | Arrow|work | made a blacker black |
| 20:06.52 | Gnarfoz | how metal of them |
| 20:09.24 | Gnarfoz | I wish the inactive title bar color wasn't still "white" |
| 20:10.17 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll have to turn the action center off, then |
| 20:10.19 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:16.22 | kd3 | ugh, nothing like 5 am 'the entire backend system is offline' calls to totally screw up one's day |
| 20:28.14 | mfgmfg | Gnarfoz, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux |
| 20:28.25 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg: nah. |
| 20:28.49 | kd3 | I actually kinda want to play with it |
| 20:28.57 | Gnarfoz | nev's question was about NT subsystems in general |
| 20:29.07 | Gnarfoz | (and I'm not entirely sure WSL is one in that particular sense) |
| 20:30.17 | Gnarfoz | straight from english to German within just one prompt! http://i.imgur.com/Cd5g01O.png wtf |
| 20:31.12 | Gnarfoz | LANG=de_DE.UTF8 - except my entire Windows install is English... |
| 20:34.31 | Gnarfoz | needs a way to modify what "dark blue" is |
| 20:34.42 | Gnarfoz | dark blue on black was never readable, I wonder why that's still used anywhere |
| 20:38.22 | bshelden | Agreed. One of the first things I do is set my terminal to use a sane color. |
| 20:38.34 | Gnarfoz | bshelden: can you point me to how? |
| 20:38.54 | Gnarfoz | (unless you didn't mean this particular Ubuntu on Windows setup thing) |
| 20:40.48 | bshelden | I use rxvt-unicode-256color. So for me it was an .XResources thing |
| 20:41.05 | bshelden | URxvt*color4: #3030ff |
| 20:41.06 | Gnarfoz | uhm, ok, that's not really applicable here. :D |
| 20:41.22 | bshelden | Well, it might be. Most terminals give a way to change things. |
| 20:41.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah, and I'm not sure Windows' conhost is one of them |
| 20:41.46 | bshelden | mmm |
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| 20:41.57 | Gnarfoz | it's easy in putty, of course |
| 20:42.06 | Gnarfoz | and if it exists, it's probably buried in the registry somewhere, heh |
| 20:42.25 | bshelden | calls a friend |
| 20:43.42 | Gnarfoz | "you want to do /what/?" 'sorry, time's up' |
| 20:44.20 | bshelden | A friend of mine is a bit of an IT guru. Worth a shot anyway. |
| 20:44.50 | Gnarfoz | guh, Skype (and all the other crap that's installed by default have made a return... time to run my Remove-AppxPackage script again) |
| 20:45.56 | Stanzilla | yeah that happens on every "dist-upgrade" |
| 20:46.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah I know, had it on 1511 too |
| 20:46.34 | Gnarfoz | just forgot and suddenly... "you're now signed in as <ms account>" Skype toast notification |
| 20:46.46 | bshelden | Gnarfoz: "Probably has to be hacked via themes or something absurd" |
| 20:47.10 | Gnarfoz | also no more numlock enabled on login screen... time to fix that, too |
| 20:48.05 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 20:48.05 | Gnarfoz | HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Console |
| 20:48.13 | Gnarfoz | that's... rather easily accessible |
| 20:48.37 | Gnarfoz | herp derp |
| 20:48.42 | Gnarfoz | I should have probably gotten more sleep |
| 20:48.46 | Gnarfoz | there's a UI for it RIGHT THERE |
| 20:48.52 | kd3 | gasp |
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| 20:49.44 | Gnarfoz | good to know where those values are stored, though ^^ |
| 20:52.34 | Gnarfoz | 85 85 255... much better. |
| 20:54.11 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/McOSoBG.png \o/ |
| 20:54.33 | Gnarfoz | enough of that now, though, I need to play some Lúcioball. |
| 20:57.01 | Stanzilla | where is english |
| 20:57.11 | Gnarfoz | how do you mean? |
| 20:57.26 | Stanzilla | I dont see english in that list |
| 20:57.35 | Gnarfoz | that's not the end of that file |
| 20:57.59 | Stanzilla | probably should have noticed that it's not alphabetically sorted :E |
| 20:58.00 | Gnarfoz | english is not in it, either way, though |
| 20:58.33 | Gnarfoz | most importantly: the "Note" part at the end of the comment block. |
| 21:00.44 | Gnarfoz | hehe, ssh-agent doesn't work because no unix sockets |
| 21:00.47 | Gnarfoz | should have realized |
| 21:03.56 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/cV8PQ9M.png now this... is something I can get used to |
| 21:04.44 | Gnarfoz | putty might finally have real "competition" |
| 21:06.43 | bshelden | That'd be nice |
| 21:06.51 | bshelden | I've resorted to X servers to get a decent terminal on windows. |
| 21:12.44 | Gnarfoz | I guess Xming is next on the list to install ;-) (although I'm not sure which X programs I might want to run :P probably none!) |
| 21:13.38 | bshelden | I mostly just used urxvt. |
| 21:13.54 | bshelden | Back to putty recently. The improved UX wasn't worth the hassle after I wiped my systme. |
| 21:14.00 | bshelden | s/me/em/ |
| 21:16.32 | bshelden | And I definitely cba to write my own. |
| 21:20.50 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: did you install the zero day update yet? |
| 21:20.58 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: (your buildnumber in winver should end with .10) |
| 21:21.49 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: MS did that for me, it seems. I just used windows update |
| 21:21.53 | Gnarfoz | (it ends in .10) |
| 21:21.56 | nevcairiel | i didnt, why? |
| 21:21.57 | Stanzilla | kk |
| 21:22.18 | nevcairiel | also winver says its licensed to "Windows User", i wonder if i forgot to enter a name somewhjere or it just didnt ask :D |
| 21:22.19 | Stanzilla | it's just the first update rollout of issues they fixed since rtm signoff |
| 21:22.29 | Stanzilla | s/rollout/rollup |
| 21:22.41 | Stanzilla | windows update will give it to you anyway |
| 21:27.56 | nevcairiel | there noew its installed |
| 21:28.15 | nevcairiel | ah fresh windows smell |
| 21:29.23 | mfgmfg | bshelden, try mobaxterm |
| 21:29.28 | Thunder_Child | ~whalenutshot nevcairiel |
| 21:29.29 | purl | ACTION drops a vastly obese whale named Ricardo on nevcairiel's family jewels |
| 21:30.02 | bshelden | mfgmfg: Oh my that's pretty at first glance |
| 21:30.41 | bshelden | Erm, question though. Where's the money? |
| 21:30.51 | bshelden | Not OSS and no obvious way to pay makes me suspicious |
| 21:31.11 | bshelden | Ahh, bad css. Found it. |
| 21:31.15 | nevcairiel | http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/download.html has a obvious pay button =p |
| 21:31.43 | bshelden | Yep, found it. |
| 21:31.48 | bshelden | Ok, they're charging. I feel better. |
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| 21:40.17 | bshelden | and no warnings when searching about. Cool, will nab tonight. Thanks mfgmfg. |
| 21:41.16 | mfgmfg | bshelden, company is based in france just FYI |
| 21:41.43 | bshelden | I don't understand the significance. |
| 21:42.15 | bshelden | Most of the software I use was written in the states. I basically take for granted that my computer has backdoors everywhere. |
| 21:42.16 | mfgmfg | if you're not in cuba/iran/iraq/libya/norht korea/syria/sudan probably doesn't matter |
| 21:42.23 | bshelden | Canadian |
| 21:43.25 | Thunder_Child | Even worse. |
| 21:44.15 | bshelden | We have our advantages :P |
| 21:44.35 | Gnarfoz | do those countries have import restrictions on French software, or what |
| 21:45.47 | Thunder_Child | Obviously Cairenn (who is supposed to be always watching) is not paying attention. |
| 21:46.12 | bshelden | Probably in a sleep cycle. |
| 21:46.19 | Cairenn | pokes Thunder_Child |
| 21:46.24 | bshelden | Or not |
| 21:46.33 | Thunder_Child | That's it? My you have mellowed. |
| 21:46.42 | Cairenn | ;p |
| 21:46.59 | Thunder_Child | Usually a crack about Canadians is a kick at the lest. |
| 21:47.18 | bshelden | kicks Thunder_Child in the shin |
| 21:47.20 | bshelden | There |
| 21:47.23 | Cairenn | There ya go |
| 21:47.26 | Cairenn | Happy now? |
| 21:47.28 | Thunder_Child | Cheater |
| 21:47.30 | Thunder_Child | No. |
| 21:47.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:47.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.00 | Thunder_Child | Much better. |
| 21:49.02 | bshelden | curls Thunder_Child |
| 21:49.05 | Cairenn | You're welcome |
| 21:51.50 | Thunder_Child | bshelden: Which kind? |
| 21:52.08 | mfgmfg | Gnarfoz, http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/export_rules.html |
| 21:52.13 | bshelden | I can't answer that yet. Hoping to pick up the sport this winter. |
| 21:52.31 | bshelden | There are some local clubs I need to look into. |
| 21:53.09 | Thunder_Child | bshelden: There is also curling as in lifting dumbells. |
| 21:53.21 | Thunder_Child | And barbells as well I guess. |
| 21:53.33 | bshelden | One of those things is associated with Canada. |
| 21:53.38 | bshelden | And that's the one I meant. |
| 21:53.49 | bshelden | slides more heavy chunks of stone into Thunder_Child. |
| 21:54.10 | bshelden | That can be taken wro... meh, whatever. |
| 21:54.15 | Thunder_Child | Yes. As a side note I am Canadian. |
| 21:54.23 | Thunder_Child | Although the worst kind. |
| 21:55.00 | nevcairiel | so, french canadian? |
| 21:55.13 | Thunder_Child | American Canadian. |
| 21:55.17 | bshelden | ewwww |
| 21:55.43 | bshelden | My SO has tossed the idea of that about. (She's American). I keep warning against that. |
| 21:56.11 | Cairenn | bshelden: one word for you |
| 21:56.13 | Cairenn | Trump |
| 21:56.14 | Semlar | what would be simplest way to filter these transmog items by expansion |
| 21:56.31 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg: why would a French company care about US export restrictions...? this is just getting weirder ;P |
| 21:56.35 | Semlar | i assume item level ranges, quality |
| 21:56.35 | Thunder_Child | Dating an american? How depraved. |
| 21:57.08 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: Are the ID's not in a numerical order? |
| 21:57.24 | bshelden | Cairenn: Oh yes, and she's already commented that she's glad she's escaping. |
| 21:57.51 | bshelden | Just waiting on immigration. What fun. |
| 21:57.56 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 21:58.07 | Semlar | you think i can just use the item ids |
| 21:58.58 | Thunder_Child | How sould I know? I don't do addons, I just idle in here and make fun of people for being Canadian. |
| 21:59.25 | Thunder_Child | s/sou/shou/ |
| 21:59.55 | Semlar | i mean they may have gone back and added items to older content and i suppose technically that should fall under that expansion |
| 22:00.48 | Thunder_Child | They still might have kept them to the same ID superset. |
| 22:02.37 | Torhal | [13:13:52] Primer:I just went by the fact that it was updated. Thanks. <-- Changelog says that it's still much broken but I made mild adjustments to at least attempt to get the cursor somewhat back to where it should be for people who are already running it. |
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| 22:03.58 | mckenziemc | we can read, Torhal! |
| 22:05.06 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Then why was he asking in here if it's supposed to do something? :P |
| 22:05.10 | Torhal | Clearly illiterate. |
| 22:05.12 | Torhal | >.> |
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| 22:11.15 | Primer | I don't know...I like talking to people |
| 22:11.34 | Torhal | Blasphemer! |
| 22:11.42 | znf | yup |
| 22:11.42 | Infus | TheDanW: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7lwsaandyfykg0n/2016-08-02_23-43-52.webm looks like another instance of http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53857 |
| 22:11.45 | znf | gotta hand them to Netflix again |
| 22:11.49 | znf | Stranger Things was awesome |
| 22:11.57 | Primer | no spoilers |
| 22:12.07 | Primer | I'm still working on my re-watch of voyager |
| 22:13.37 | znf | no spoilers |
| 22:13.53 | znf | I'm still waiting for a blu-ray of voyager or ds9 :-/ |
| 22:14.27 | nevcairiel | i re-watched voyager a couple years ago and only noticed how boring it was most of the time |
| 22:14.37 | TheDanW | Infus: pretty strange :/ i'll try to take a look soon |
| 22:14.44 | nevcairiel | did re-watch ds9 after though, and that was much better |
| 22:14.51 | Infus | thanks, much appreciated |
| 22:14.55 | znf | I don't want to watch dvd-r :( |
| 22:14.56 | Primer | nevcairiel: I rewatched DS9 before it |
| 22:14.57 | znf | I want bluray! |
| 22:15.04 | znf | already seen TNG |
| 22:15.12 | mfgmfg | i wish they would re-cut the episodes so it's not so obvious when the commercial breaks are |
| 22:15.15 | Primer | Figured I'd have to watch Voyager |
| 22:15.16 | Infus | TheDanW: if you don't think it's fixeable or don't find it, we can always work around that, but please tell me |
| 22:15.30 | Primer | Janeway kinda bugs me. But Seven...ohhh Seven... |
| 22:15.41 | znf | anyway |
| 22:15.44 | znf | Stranger Things |
| 22:15.46 | znf | awesome!!! |
| 22:15.59 | Primer | nevcairiel: the premise of Voyager was great, but you're right. They did kinda screw the pooch a bit on it. |
| 22:16.00 | TheDanW | Infus: it's not likely to get hotfixed, so next patch at the earliest |
| 22:16.12 | nevcairiel | Primer: at one point i skipped a couple seasons until seven showed up |
| 22:16.18 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 22:16.27 | Infus | that's okay, it's not a critical bug |
| 22:16.35 | Thunder_Child | seven did not make Voyager better. |
| 22:16.52 | Primer | not plot wise, no |
| 22:17.07 | mfgmfg | watchitfortheplot |
| 22:17.13 | bshelden | I have confused memories of star trek. Voyager was my favourite series, but it's home to the worst episode in trek history, and the best belongs to TNG. |
| 22:17.24 | nevcairiel | well the entire borg/8472 story ark was the only really good one in that series either way |
| 22:19.24 | Primer | Voyager has a lot of potential, given their circumstances. |
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| 22:20.28 | Thunder_Child | Which do you consider to be the worst bshelden? |
| 22:20.35 | bshelden | salamandar sex |
| 22:20.40 | mfgmfg | oh boy |
| 22:20.41 | bshelden | Threshold I think the title was |
| 22:20.43 | mfgmfg | don't trigger me |
| 22:21.05 | Thunder_Child | Oh, that one. |
| 22:21.21 | mfgmfg | http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0112178 one of the bottom 2 eps |
| 22:21.25 | Primer | aww come on, that episode wasn't that bad! :) |
| 22:21.27 | bshelden | It did happen. We must face our mistakes lest they be repeated. And the world does NOT need more of that. |
| 22:21.40 | Thunder_Child | I found it amusing. |
| 22:22.25 | mfgmfg | http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0244365 this is why everyone tells you to watch every episode but NEVER THE LAST ONE |
| 22:22.41 | bshelden | I can't even find it that. But I rarely ever find a movie "so bad it's good" so same deal I suppose. |
| 22:23.00 | bshelden | I just tend to contort into a gnarles ball of cringe. |
| 22:23.04 | bshelden | gnarled* |
| 22:23.12 | nevcairiel | i actually kind of liked the last episode of enterprise, maybe people just downvote it because sad that its ending? |
| 22:23.25 | bshelden | I was middling to positive on enterprise. |
| 22:23.37 | mfgmfg | you probably are thinking of Terra Prime as the last episode and have erased the real last one from your memory |
| 22:23.40 | mckenziemc | Torhal: because the page doesn't say "read the change log" |
| 22:23.45 | Thunder_Child | I liked the last one. Although that being said most endings seem to be shit. Possibly because they don't get a chance to properly end them. |
| 22:23.49 | bshelden | It ended with a sharp left turn into a concrete wall, but meh. |
| 22:24.12 | mfgmfg | Terra Prime properly wrapped things up |
| 22:24.19 | nevcairiel | whichever was the one that ended with the founding of the federation |
| 22:24.20 | mfgmfg | These are the Voyages.. took a dump on it |
| 22:24.22 | Primer | Wasn't it because it got axed? |
| 22:24.26 | Ssateneth | Ok math nerds. Here's a question for ya. A mathy one. |
| 22:24.26 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Wouldn't matetr if it did. |
| 22:24.32 | mfgmfg | 2+2 does equal 4, yes. |
| 22:24.36 | mfgmfg | you're welcome |
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| 22:24.52 | Thunder_Child | Only for very large values of 1 mfgmfg. |
| 22:24.54 | bshelden | (λx.x x)(λx.x x) recurses forever, yes. |
| 22:24.56 | Torhal | divides mfgmfg. |
| 22:25.04 | Torhal | hands Thunder_Child a mfg. |
| 22:25.18 | mfgmfg | ugh, tried to /nick mfg but can't because another channel won't let me change nicks |
| 22:25.24 | mfgmfg | joke ruined |
| 22:25.25 | Torhal | o.O |
| 22:25.26 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.36 | Thunder_Child | I know it's rude to refuse a gift Torhal, but ugh. |
| 22:27.41 | Ssateneth | Given a circle with its center being coordinates (X,Y) and radius R, and a rectangle with vertices at coordinates (A1,A2), (B1,B2), (C1,C2), and (D1,D2), how would you determine if the circle intersects the rectangle, in LUA math functions. |
| 22:28.04 | mfgmfg | convert to polar coordinates then evaluate in 4-d space |
| 22:28.17 | Ssateneth | Now spoon feed me the answer :P |
| 22:28.22 | Ssateneth | SPOOOOON! |
| 22:28.47 | znf | rm -rf / |
| 22:28.48 | bshelden | carves Ssateneth's heart out with the spoon |
| 22:28.54 | Ssateneth | noOOooo |
| 22:29.46 | mckenziemc | oh oh i know the answer |
| 22:29.50 | mckenziemc | you wouldn't, because it's Lua, not LUA |
| 22:29.56 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 22:29.59 | Ssateneth | Lua, sorry. ;_; |
| 22:30.29 | Ssateneth | I'm sorry that I bastardize your names (acronyms?) |
| 22:30.39 | Ssateneth | I'm just a simple pleb. |
| 22:30.49 | Thunder_Child | It means moon. |
| 22:31.18 | mfgmfg | i think just determine if any of the 4 points on the circle (north/south/east/west) are within the rectangle, or if any of the corners are less than R distance from the circle origin |
| 22:31.22 | mfgmfg | does that cover every case? |
| 22:31.32 | Torhal | Are you one of those people that uppercases every three-letter word? Like MOM or maybe even BOB or DOG? |
| 22:31.55 | foxlit | protip: people commenting on capitalization have nothing useful to say. |
| 22:31.58 | mckenziemc | DIE TORHAL |
| 22:32.10 | Torhal | Wow, mckenziemc. More spiders for you! |
| 22:33.16 | Gnarfoz | anyone know anything about this? http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17612911629 client bug? that cvar supposedly doesn't help |
| 22:33.35 | Ssateneth | mfgmfg nah your idea wouldnt cover every case |
| 22:33.40 | Ssateneth | lemme mspaint |
| 22:34.05 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: seemed fine in beta for me |
| 22:34.16 | Gnarfoz | I hadn't noticed on beta either, but this is about live |
| 22:34.16 | foxlit | imagine a wide, short rectangle positioned placed below the circle's center |
| 22:34.25 | alestane | If you have the language-agmostic formula, Lua pretty much uses the standard C trig functions. |
| 22:34.31 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: well i didnt quest much on live =p |
| 22:34.35 | LexSfX | am i the only one for whom the entire game freezes upon trying to close it (even from login screen) in Win7-64? |
| 22:34.36 | foxlit | all its four corners are outside the circle, yet none of the NSWE points of the circle are inside the rectangle. |
| 22:34.37 | Ssateneth | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9768004/boop.png |
| 22:34.43 | mfgmfg | foxlit, gotcha |
| 22:34.43 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: same, that's why I'm asking here :D |
| 22:34.53 | Gnarfoz | a guildy has the problem |
| 22:34.55 | Ssateneth | none of the rectangle points are <R units away from circle center |
| 22:34.55 | mfgmfg | oh, rectangle can be rotated, ok |
| 22:35.05 | Ssateneth | yep |
| 22:35.39 | foxlit | "assume without loss of generality that the rectangle is not rotated..." |
| 22:36.03 | foxlit | (because it's not like the circle cares if you rotate it, so you might as well work nice rectangles.) |
| 22:36.25 | mckenziemc | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=algorithm+polygon+intersection i would look here |
| 22:36.42 | mfgmfg | a circle is not a polygon |
| 22:37.11 | foxlit | nobody would notice if you replaced it with a 4000-gon. |
| 22:37.11 | mckenziemc | results are not strictly restricted to the question :p |
| 22:37.22 | LexSfX | duckduckgo has good intentions, but it's too bad that it sucks at searching |
| 22:37.56 | Ssateneth | And the gears start to churn and turn... |
| 22:38.35 | mckenziemc | well, the first result does include the statement "You could use a Polygon Clipping algorithm to find the intersection between two polygons. However these tend to be complicated algorithms when all of the edge cases are taken into account." ... |
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| 22:41.01 | mfgmfg | for each line, L, on the rectangle, find the line, M, perpendicular to L that passes through the circle origin, O. The intersection of L and M is the point N. if line segment ON has length less than R, then it intersects? |
| 22:41.09 | mckenziemc | find the two corners of the rectangle the least distance from the center of the circle; if they're both outside the circle, find the point of closest approach? |
| 22:41.17 | mfgmfg | do you consider it intersecting if one shape is completely within the other? |
| 22:43.24 | mckenziemc | that gives me an idea of how i could've solved a problem that stumped me in the programming competition i participated in earlier this year |
| 22:45.49 | foxlit | ("i don't like geometry" solution: check whether four rectangle corners are inside the circle, whether the circle's center is inside the rectangle, and whether any of the four segments making up the rectangle intersect the circle) |
| 22:47.05 | mfgmfg | how do you do the last one? |
| 22:47.54 | Ssateneth | [5:41:18pm] <mfgmfg> do you consider it intersecting if one shape is completely within the other? <- yes |
| 22:48.11 | Ssateneth | for the purpose of this problem. |
| 22:48.28 | foxlit | algebraically; a circle is just (x-a)^2+(y-b)^2=r^2 |
| 22:49.06 | tz | and some pixie dust if Semlar is involved |
| 22:49.15 | Semlar | o.o |
| 22:49.23 | Ssateneth | Either if the edge of the circle touches or intersects segment(s) of the rectangle, or if the circle and rectangle share area. |
| 22:49.26 | tz | see? |
| 22:49.33 | Ssateneth | is probably how I shouldve clarified that |
| 22:49.37 | Semlar | did somebody mention pie |
| 22:49.43 | tz | mmmmmm creampie |
| 22:49.54 | Ssateneth | ÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏÏ |
| 22:50.03 | Ssateneth | doesnt look terribly good in this font |
| 22:50.08 | Ssateneth | good ol fixedsys |
| 22:50.26 | tz | input sans mono condensed, personally |
| 22:50.29 | bshelden | I need to find a font I like that also renders λ as something other than a severely distorted a. |
| 22:50.32 | tz | medium weight |
| 22:50.46 | Ssateneth | bshelden, weirdly enough, that looks fine to me |
| 22:50.52 | p3lim | Ketho: stop breaking the game |
| 22:50.56 | Ssateneth | https://gyazo.com/f84a8cf076ffcabf95207ed15d1b9b98 |
| 22:50.57 | p3lim | that's Semlar's job |
| 22:51.13 | bshelden | It just lookes to me like someone took a, streteched it up, bolded the right line, and clipped the bottom off for good measure. |
| 22:51.32 | Ssateneth | isnt that what lambda is? |
| 22:51.45 | bshelden | There are much better ways to render the glyph. |
| 22:51.55 | Ssateneth | but... |
| 22:51.58 | Ssateneth | but..... |
| 22:52.04 | bshelden | I'm a fan of the font Wikipedia used in the infobox |
| 22:52.08 | Ssateneth | most glyphs got removed on the arrival of legion |
| 22:52.09 | foxlit | å
¥ï¼ |
| 22:52.12 | Ssateneth | Kappa |
| 22:52.31 | bshelden | foxlit: Wodner where that came from. Sure looks better than what I get anyway. |
| 22:53.04 | bshelden | Point is, the left strut should be straight. My font has it curving into the right bar. |
| 22:53.19 | bshelden | Buuuut, everything else looks good. |
| 22:53.30 | bshelden | And it's not like I need lambda all that often. |
| 22:53.52 | Semlar | lambda isn't nearly as tasty as pi |
| 22:54.06 | bshelden | Hard to get the flavour, it tends to recurse on you. |
| 22:54.24 | mckenziemc | Semlar tastes better than pi |
| 22:54.34 | mfgmfg | Ssateneth, take a corner, get vector from corner to origin (A), another vector from corner to neighboring corner (B), dot product to get scalar projection of A onto B, now you have a vector perpendicular to B from the origin |
| 22:54.52 | bshelden | bakes up a mckenziemc Ï |
| 22:55.10 | mfgmfg | now see if that vector is on the line between the corners |
| 22:55.20 | mfgmfg | and if its length is less than R |
| 22:56.33 | Ssateneth | puts on glasses, writes down notes |
| 22:58.04 | mfgmfg | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_projection |
| 22:58.11 | Ssateneth | The solution is simple enough anyways, since Blizzard has it figured out too. |
| 22:59.25 | Ssateneth | Otherwise abilities that affect enemies in or near an area in a line in front of the caster wouldnt work :P |
| 22:59.33 | Ssateneth | (hence the original question) |
| 23:00.17 | maunot | I think that's mostly just circle to circle math, though :P |
| 23:00.39 | Semlar | checking if two shapes intersect is fairly simple with raycasting |
| 23:01.28 | mfgmfg | approximations are most likely used |
| 23:03.22 | Ssateneth | I don't play many classes, mostly warrior. Doesnt shaman have some sort of forward line ability though? |
| 23:03.50 | Semlar | shaman have been replaced with passive totems |
| 23:04.22 | mckenziemc | and Semlar's addons |
| 23:04.32 | Semlar | you have to pick them up and carry them with your for their buffs |
| 23:04.35 | nevcairiel | collision testing is part of any 3d engine, but explaining how it works over irc is something else =p |
| 23:04.47 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 23:07.08 | mfgmfg | find the normal vector for each line and do some math with the origin point. |
| 23:07.12 | mfgmfg | ok done |
| 23:07.42 | kd3 | ...why do I do this to myself? http://kaydeethree.net/i/flights.png |
| 23:08.07 | mfgmfg | that's a lot of radiation from outer space you'll get |
| 23:08.33 | kd3 | eh, I'll just forgo a chest x-ray this year and it'll balance out |
| 23:08.37 | Trela | Funkeh`: Are you funkydude on curse.com? |
| 23:10.09 | bshelden | kd3: ewwww |
| 23:10.26 | bshelden | Every time a meeting comes up in SFO I ask "do I need to be physically present for this one? Or can I just remote it..." |
| 23:11.14 | Funkeh` | Trela, depends on whos asking |
| 23:11.16 | kd3 | I'm almost the same way living in Oakland. Hate dealing with rush-our traffic on the bridge |
| 23:11.21 | kd3 | s/our/hour/ |
| 23:12.11 | kd3 | though these days rush hour is from 5-10 am and 3-8 pm it feels like |
| 23:12.29 | bshelden | I'm near YVR. And I hate travel (though I have to quite a bit) |
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| 23:13.06 | mfgmfg | now for an actual wow ui question: when i'm mousing over an artifact weapon and i'm in the wrong spec, it says 'Requires: <specialization>' - which API function is it using to get that info about the item to put in the tooltip? doesn't seem to be from GetItemInfo. i think it's using ITEM_REQ_SPECIALIZATION for formatting that string but i can't find that in the framesxml code |
| 23:13.33 | nevcairiel | tooltips are formatted in C, there is lots of info in them which we cant access directly |
| 23:13.57 | nevcairiel | hence the concept of tooltip scanning |
| 23:13.59 | mfgmfg | so i'd have to do a tooltip scan to get the same info |
| 23:14.00 | mfgmfg | okay |
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| 23:55.18 | g0urra | is WoW going poop right now? |
| 23:55.36 | mfgmfg | yes |
| 23:55.37 | mfgmfg | bnet is |
| 23:55.44 | mfgmfg | ~wowalert |
| 23:55.44 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 23:56.07 | g0urra | https://twitter.com/BlizzardCSEU_EN/status/760624464874831873 |
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| 23:59.37 | ccox | yes, ddos attack in progress |
