| 00:03.18 | harl | so, when i keep the map open, i get between 45 and 75 fps.. but only 10 when the map isn't showing? |
| 00:03.43 | harl | and this is only with my druid, but not any other characters i've played lately |
| 00:06.02 | harl | any graphics settings don't seem to have any effect on this either |
| 00:07.41 | TheDanW | including FXAA? |
| 00:10.37 | harl | yea |
| 00:12.04 | TheDanW | strange :( |
| 00:13.37 | Torhal | harl: What about without AddOns? |
| 00:13.58 | Torhal | I'm wondering if something is showing/hiding the map constantly to do weird map API stuff. |
| 00:14.04 | Torhal | That would nuke FPS. |
| 00:14.41 | Simca | astrolabe comes to mind |
| 00:14.45 | Torhal | Like an OnUpdate - "If the WorldMap is shown, do all this stuff. If not, show it, do this stuff, then hide it again" |
| 00:14.51 | Torhal | Simca: Yup. |
| 00:16.38 | Torhal | One thing I've learned since 7.x unloads textures from memory: More of my users are complete assholes than I previously thought. |
| 00:17.28 | nebula | obviously you just don't give a fuck about them, OTHERWISE YOU'D FIX IT |
| 00:17.33 | Xuerian | Never underestimate a lazy asshole whose free toys are now broken |
| 00:17.34 | Torhal | :/ |
| 00:18.10 | nebula | just add SetCVar("uiReleaseTextures", "0") to the addon |
| 00:18.25 | harl | it's up to 17 fps without addons |
| 00:18.40 | nebula | releaseUITextures, my bad |
| 00:18.52 | Stanzilla | that is gone |
| 00:18.55 | Stanzilla | bad nebula |
| 00:19.17 | nebula | but it's in https://github.com/Stanzilla/AdvancedInterfaceOptions/blob/master/cvars.dump |
| 00:22.14 | Stanzilla | they removed it |
| 00:22.36 | Stanzilla | because everyone just disabled it and it would have caused issues for ppl who it was made for |
| 00:22.39 | Stanzilla | i.e. 32bit users |
| 00:23.28 | nebula | why not just hard flag it in the 32 bit client |
| 00:23.33 | Torhal | I wonder why they didn't just add that to the 32-bit client. |
| 00:23.48 | Stanzilla | beats me |
| 00:23.50 | harl | because they're l azy |
| 00:24.00 | Stanzilla | ask Guill |
| 00:24.03 | Torhal | Then I could just tell the people who complained about destroyed FPS to tell Microsoft to stop releasing a 32-bit OS when all chips have been 64-bit for years. |
| 00:24.41 | nebula | more like tell people to stop fucking using windows xp |
| 00:24.49 | Torhal | nebula: There's a 32-bit Windows 10. |
| 00:24.52 | Torhal | FFS |
| 00:24.52 | nebula | wtf |
| 00:24.56 | Xuerian | why |
| 00:25.20 | Torhal | They want EVERYONE on Windows 10, even people who have had the same computer for 10 years. |
| 00:25.33 | Xuerian | I don't blame them but ffs |
| 00:26.39 | Thunder_Child | There might also be another reason, but I can't remember the name. |
| 00:26.51 | Thunder_Child | Shirik would be the one saying it if he was here. |
| 00:27.07 | Thunder_Child | Oh right, embeded systems perhaps. |
| 00:27.08 | Stanzilla | "retardation" |
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| 00:47.52 | tz | there's even a 32-bit ARM windows 10 |
| 00:48.25 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 00:48.54 | Stanzilla | that was never released |
| 00:49.26 | Stanzilla | or wait |
| 00:49.33 | Stanzilla | I guess the mobile version counts |
| 00:49.36 | tz | windows iot |
| 00:49.53 | Stanzilla | mobile is also 32bit arm |
| 00:49.58 | tz | nods |
| 00:50.25 | tz | wish they'd update their devtools to drop 32-bit as the default arch |
| 00:50.31 | tz | make them x64 by default |
| 00:50.34 | tz | but eh |
| 00:50.37 | tz | too much to ask for |
| 00:50.46 | Stanzilla | there is not even a 64bit version of VS :D |
| 00:51.03 | tz | cool, huh? ;) |
| 00:51.13 | Stanzilla | they had a reason for that |
| 00:51.19 | Stanzilla | it was like 2 pages long or so |
| 00:53.05 | nebula | tl;dr? |
| 00:53.18 | tz | "it doesn't need more than 4GB RAM" |
| 00:53.31 | tz | well, 3GB for 32-bit processes, but eh |
| 00:54.06 | harl | nerds.. |
| 00:54.20 | Stanzilla | https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Visual-Studio-2015-still-a-32-bit-application |
| 00:54.22 | Stanzilla | is a bit shorter |
| 00:54.22 | Torhal | World of Warcraft: Destroyer of Spinning Disks. |
| 00:54.23 | tz | https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ricom/2016/01/04/64-bit-visual-studio-the-pro-64-argument/ |
| 00:54.47 | nebula | Torhal: definitely read that as dicks |
| 00:54.59 | tz | the ol' helicopter dick |
| 00:55.06 | nebula | NO ONE CAN DESTROY THE MEATSPIN |
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| 01:02.44 | Simca | somebody should spin nebula until this happens for mentioning that atrocity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMyActacNgo |
| 01:05.45 | Stanzilla | nebula stop slacking pls |
| 01:05.56 | Simca | rofl |
| 01:06.27 | Simca | blizzard accidentally converted the Savage Plate set and the epic called Invulnerable Plate to Mail |
| 01:06.31 | Simca | in 7.0.3 |
| 01:06.42 | Simca | they just hotfixed them back to Plate again now |
| 01:07.17 | nebula | it had plate in the title, close enough |
| 01:07.39 | Simca | yeah that's what their reasoning was, basically |
| 01:09.10 | Semlar | leveling as a rogue, no leather dropped until level 40 |
| 01:09.28 | Semlar | nothin but mail |
| 01:11.03 | Stanzilla | Simca: can you tell me when they hotfixed the level of the blast furnace mobs down to 101? |
| 01:11.30 | Simca | no, don't monitor/can't easily monitor level changes |
| 01:11.34 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 01:51.11 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
| 01:51.17 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 01:54.36 | VIad | btw https://github.com/wowserhq/wowser |
| 01:58.57 | Thunder_Child | That's impressive. |
| 01:59.15 | VIad | model viewer next level? :p |
| 01:59.22 | VIad | "take a stroll in the new raid dungeon" |
| 01:59.25 | Thunder_Child | THey should also use electron. |
| 01:59.45 | VIad | just as a model viewer it could be quite interesting |
| 02:00.01 | VIad | sandbox, machinima, whatever |
| 02:08.38 | VIad | dark souls 3 nicholas cage edition http://imgur.com/gallery/U51Xmzf |
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| 02:54.08 | Mr_Rabies | weee |
| 02:54.13 | Mr_Rabies | more ram yeehaw |
| 02:54.25 | Mr_Rabies | got 12GB for pretty cheap :o |
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| 02:58.16 | Thunder_Child | 12 Total? |
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| 03:05.14 | tem | Where can I find a list of the ui changes in 7.0? |
| 03:05.39 | Stanzilla | nice joke |
| 03:06.09 | tem | so..... does that mean we don't have a list? |
| 03:07.15 | Stanzilla | not *one* there is http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53248&page=1 |
| 03:07.19 | pompy | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_7.0.3/API_changes |
| 03:07.23 | Stanzilla | and that |
| 03:07.40 | Stanzilla | and that https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Helix/GlobalAPI.lua/diff |
| 03:08.22 | tem | hmm, anyone know about "UnitIsTapDenied()? |
| 03:08.41 | nebula | its the inverse of the three checks used previously |
| 03:09.01 | tem | coolbeans |
| 03:10.24 | tem | I've been "updating" this unit frame addon since LK making it limp along |
| 03:10.43 | nebula | i understand that pain |
| 03:11.05 | tem | it's more broken than usual this time around |
| 03:11.24 | tem | and it's been a good 2 years since I've done any lua |
| 03:11.39 | tem | I have become spoiled by compilers doing work for me |
| 03:11.58 | Stanzilla | which addon is it |
| 03:12.16 | tem | one of the old diablo style dealios |
| 03:13.51 | tem | heyyy looks like unitistapped was the last issue |
| 03:14.01 | tem | :) |
| 03:15.44 | tem | aw rats I can't see special class power bars anymore |
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| 05:03.58 | fewyn | i wish there was a website that had cool weakauras you could use |
| 05:08.30 | mckenziemc | i'm sure you could implement such a site using weakauras |
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| 05:12.13 | Torhal | fewyn: Stanzilla was supposed to have an official WeakAuras site that had such things. |
| 05:12.55 | Stanzilla | hey it exists |
| 05:13.25 | Stanzilla | until mine is ready you can use https://wago.io/ though, fewyn |
| 05:13.25 | Torhal | You just haven't convinced nebula or Semlar to make it work. |
| 05:15.06 | mckenziemc | exists like Semlar's addons? |
| 05:15.24 | Semlar | i have addons, i have the best addons |
| 05:16.43 | Stanzilla | mckenziemc: no, we're still looking for serious testers, If you want to help, go to https://test.weakauras.wtf/ (User: watest / Password: watest01) |
| 05:19.44 | mckenziemc | i don't use weakauras :< |
| 05:19.53 | mckenziemc | tbh i barely play WoW now |
| 05:19.59 | Stanzilla | pff! |
| 05:20.40 | fewyn | oh hey |
| 05:20.43 | fewyn | thanks Stanzilla |
| 05:24.18 | Torhal | mckenziemc is too busy playing "Spider Vacuum" to play WoW. |
| 05:24.33 | fewyn | i'm playing the transmog game right now |
| 05:25.05 | Mr_Rabies | fewyn playin' that barbie horse adventures 7.0 |
| 05:25.11 | fewyn | pmuch |
| 05:25.15 | fewyn | i'm doing karazhan right now |
| 05:25.28 | Stanzilla | this week |
| 05:25.29 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/69tbqyf.png |
| 05:25.31 | Stanzilla | last week was worse |
| 05:25.33 | fewyn | which is kinda annoying since every boss does like 1 or 2 items |
| 05:25.49 | fewyn | i did everything up to dragon soul last week |
| 05:25.52 | fewyn | on my rogue |
| 05:26.02 | fewyn | i miss burst of speed |
| 05:26.08 | kullervo | oh fuck that's gone |
| 05:26.13 | fewyn | yep |
| 05:26.28 | fewyn | let's see what opera event i get |
| 05:26.50 | kullervo | maybe I'll have to exploit farm the stratholme mount |
| 05:27.19 | fewyn | oh hey big bad wolf |
| 05:27.21 | kullervo | got full clear down to 2 minutes 15 seconds with burst |
| 05:27.23 | fewyn | means i get a pet chance! |
| 05:27.55 | fewyn | and got it |
| 05:27.57 | fewyn | also the gun |
| 05:29.02 | fewyn | oh shit i forgoti don't have nightbane unlocked |
| 05:29.10 | fewyn | so fucking annoying you still have to unlock that |
| 05:29.17 | kullervo | really |
| 05:29.24 | mckenziemc | that would be cruel and unusual, Torhal :( |
| 05:29.24 | fewyn | yeah |
| 05:29.31 | kullervo | it's been a very long time since I last had to go there |
| 05:29.55 | Torhal | Isn't that what you said you've been doing, though, mckenziemc? |
| 05:31.32 | mckenziemc | no, but earlier this week a spider jumped from my head into the sink when i was spitting out toothpaste and got washed down the drain :( |
| 05:32.09 | Torhal | :O |
| 05:33.05 | fewyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.09 | fewyn | awww yiss |
| 05:33.13 | mckenziemc | apparently my hair looked pretty bad that morning |
| 05:33.17 | Stanzilla | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YvRi63jYDejiUIika9rLaTcityXzFVGF_yRsNZ9il20/edit#gid=0 |
| 05:33.18 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 05:34.03 | fewyn | wazzat |
| 05:35.17 | Stanzilla | oh sorry |
| 05:35.17 | Stanzilla | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YvRi63jYDejiUIika9rLaTcityXzFVGF_yRsNZ9il20/edit?usp=sharing |
| 05:35.18 | Stanzilla | that |
| 05:36.18 | Stanzilla | just make a copy if you want to use it |
| 05:36.39 | Torhal | copies Stanzilla and uses it for industrial espionage. |
| 05:37.44 | fewyn | [01:37:12] <DBM> 10 Player - Netherspite down after 1.00 seconds! Your last kill took 1.00 seconds and your fastest kill took 1.00 seconds. You have 2 total victories. |
| 05:38.39 | Stanzilla | I cant see kara for a while |
| 05:38.41 | Stanzilla | farmed it too much |
| 05:39.02 | Torhal | In 2007? |
| 05:39.08 | Torhal | Yeah, that is too soon. |
| 05:39.09 | Stanzilla | that too |
| 05:39.15 | Stanzilla | but more like last week and this week |
| 05:39.19 | Stanzilla | but I got all my illusions |
| 05:39.21 | Torhal | Oh. |
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| 05:43.25 | Stanzilla | does that spreadsheet link work now? |
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| 05:54.00 | d[karl]b | weather please |
| 05:54.20 | d[karl]b | bit windy = internet starts dropping out |
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| 07:00.11 | Semlar | i wonder why i'm getting 4 identical UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED events when i stop a spell |
| 07:02.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.59 | Stalts | dear lord, please tell me what are you using to see that. |
| 07:03.09 | Stalts | the events, I mean. |
| 07:03.11 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:04.42 | Stalts | thank you for your kindness. may your popcorn pop and not burn. |
| 07:05.26 | nevcairiel | one of these days I should write a better filtering interface to eventtrace |
| 07:05.46 | nevcairiel | or you know, just port the one from the original devtools that blizzard somehow didnt care to include |
| 07:05.48 | Semlar | i had one in BC |
| 07:06.17 | Semlar | to be fair, they'd have to keep updating the events every time they added more if they did that |
| 07:06.42 | nevcairiel | nah, it could still dynamically populate and just remember when it saw one |
| 07:06.54 | Semlar | it could technically but they never do anything like that |
| 07:07.31 | Semlar | they'd probably just add an api function to get a list of events |
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| 07:08.48 | Semlar | i'm not sure why i'm getting 4 INTERRUPTED events, they all have the same unit ID and arguments |
| 07:09.11 | nevcairiel | its only 3 though |
| 07:09.15 | Semlar | one fires immediately, the other 3 fired later |
| 07:09.45 | Semlar | it's at the top |
| 07:10.01 | Semlar | i started casting and then moved to interrupt it |
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| 07:10.56 | Semlar | actually why am i even watching this |
| 07:11.18 | Semlar | SPELLCAST_STOP is probably all i need |
| 07:11.52 | Semlar | you know, until i find out that it doesn't actually fire sometimes |
| 07:13.55 | Simca | their internal version of the DevTools addon has all the parameters for everything listed, like the original version of the addon did |
| 07:14.06 | mfgmfg | is there a way to change item icon border highlights that works for the default bag UI & any bag addon? |
| 07:14.28 | mfgmfg | or must i write separate code for each bag addon i want to support? |
| 07:14.32 | Semlar | pfft |
| 07:15.34 | Semlar | an addon could be using anything, but if you can identify the buttons you should be able to get the highlight texture |
| 07:18.30 | Semlar | there'd be some amount of guesswork involved |
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| 07:26.28 | mikma | semlar: yeah. spellcast events. funtimes. |
| 07:27.05 | mikma | semlar: i had some problems with spellcast events in OhSnap, but i decided to go with a timer that'll hide them bars if the event won't fire |
| 07:27.27 | Semlar | DoEverythingOnUpdate |
| 08:26.57 | Torhal | Semlar: WAT |
| 08:27.06 | Semlar | what |
| 08:27.21 | Torhal | RegisterAllEvents covers new stuff. :D |
| 08:27.31 | Semlar | yeah, but you can't filter by an event you don't know the name of |
| 08:27.48 | Semlar | he was talking about a list of events you can uncheck from the box |
| 08:28.55 | nevcairiel | hence learning by seeing |
| 08:29.33 | Torhal | I think Semlar lacks that concept, nevcairiel. |
| 08:29.40 | Torhal | I believe he learns by breaking. |
| 08:35.13 | Semlar | rude |
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| 08:38.23 | mikma | so folks, give me good and useful linux commands i can run with my telegram bot! |
| 08:38.34 | karl_w_w | it's friday friday gotta get drowned on friday |
| 08:38.39 | mikma | i'm out of ideas, and all i have in now is !uptime and !figlet :P |
| 08:38.59 | mikma | also, <3 Lua 5.3 in linux shell, you can do pretty much anything! |
| 08:39.47 | mikma | (telegram bot in lua, rcon in lua ..) |
| 08:42.03 | karl_w_w | can you solve the skolem problem? |
| 08:43.44 | mikma | http://kinky.fi/mikma/lua/rcon.lua |
| 08:44.00 | mikma | latest and greatest rcon with lua, quite happy how it works |
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| 10:07.32 | mfgmfg | is there a way to tell if an item grants artifact power other than checking the tooltip for type text matching ARTIFACT_POWER or keeping an internal database of known item IDs? ( http://www.wowhead.com/items/consumables/other?filter=224;1;0#250-2 ) |
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| 10:16.06 | Miiru | anyone here can translate spanish? |
| 10:17.10 | Miiru | nevermind |
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| 10:39.54 | mfgmfg | why is the warrior artifact name broken up into 2 global strings? |
| 10:40.01 | mfgmfg | ARTIFACT_WARRIOR_PROT_WEAPONNAME = "Scale of the"; ARTIFACT_WARRIOR_PROT_WEAPONNAME_SECOND = "Earth-Warder"; |
| 10:46.27 | nevcairiel | its typically the actual name and such an addon part |
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| 10:46.44 | nevcairiel | they need a short form sometimes |
| 10:47.29 | Miiru | print(ARTIFACT_WARRIOR_PROT_WEAPONNAME_SECOND.." Thrall") |
| 10:47.30 | Miiru | :D |
| 10:53.15 | mfgmfg | some of the localizations have the full name in the first |
| 10:53.40 | mfgmfg | others have just part of it and it only makes sense if you combine both |
| 10:54.02 | mfgmfg | ARTIFACT_WARRIOR_PROT_WEAPONNAME = "Schuppe des Erdwächters"; ARTIFACT_WARRIOR_PROT_WEAPONNAME_SECOND = "Erdwächter"; |
| 10:55.45 | mfgmfg | is blizzard stuff prefixed with C_ compiled code that i cannot see the internals of? |
| 10:56.22 | Torhal | mfgmfg: /dump C_TradeSkillUI |
| 10:56.27 | Torhal | The C_ denotes a collection |
| 10:57.00 | mfgmfg | like C_ArtifactUI.GetArtifactInfo - i want to see the code for this? |
| 10:57.37 | nevcairiel | you cant see the code for any of the API functions |
| 10:57.41 | nevcairiel | prefixed with C or otherwise |
| 10:58.01 | mfgmfg | oh hey i think i was looking for something like https://github.com/Rainrider/LibArtifactData-1.0 |
| 11:00.22 | Torhal | The C_ denotes a collection |
| 11:00.26 | Torhal | Bah |
| 11:00.28 | Torhal | Damn cat |
| 11:00.34 | Fisker | forgets to hug Cairenn and remembers to hug Cairenn |
| 11:00.39 | foxlit | off with its head! |
| 11:00.40 | mfgmfg | thanks Torhal and nevcairiel |
| 11:00.42 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 11:02.59 | mfgmfg | basically what i have in mind is to present the player with a dropdown of artifacts for their class in the artifact perk window and select a 'preferred' artifact and also show Artifact Power items from their inventory (like master plan does for weapon/armor upgrades for followers), and add info to the tooltip for Artifact Power items to warn if their preferred artifact is not the currently |
| 11:02.59 | mfgmfg | equipped one (maybe you level as dps but want to raid as healer) |
| 11:04.03 | mfgmfg | possibly block the 'use' action on the AP items if that's possible |
| 11:04.17 | mfgmfg | so you don't accidentally right click them |
| 11:05.24 | karl_w_w | the one good thing about internet in australia is this place: https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ |
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| 11:07.07 | d[karl]b | the bad thing about internet in australia is that it's fucking shit and disconnects, interrupting what you were saying |
| 11:07.40 | d[karl]b | most ISPs have reps there, and mostly only tech savvy people post there, so you can skip the basic "have you turned it off and on" stuff and get actual support |
| 11:09.10 | Fisker | also Cairenn was discussing on another forum about someone going to the US, he was asking what he should buy over there and bring back, someone suggested a backpack only available in america |
| 11:09.15 | Fisker | http://www.goruck.com/gr1-black-/p/GEAR-000574 |
| 11:09.19 | Fisker | 3 rows of external and internal MOLLE webbing let you customize GR1 how you want. MOLLE is the same system used by our Armed Forces to attach life-saving sensitive equipment, such as ammunition. |
| 11:09.39 | Fisker | I think we disagree on the definition of life-saving equipment :P |
| 11:10.12 | mfgmfg | depends on whose life you want to save |
| 11:11.02 | d[karl]b | maybe they expect you to carry so much ammunition that it acts as armour |
| 11:39.14 | mfgmfg | http://pastebin.com/raw/chtv2hPk pretty consistent blizzard. |
| 11:42.34 | Miiru | ARTIFACT_MONK_BREWMASTER1 = "Fu Zan"; |
| 11:42.34 | Miiru | ARTIFACT_MONK_BREWMASTER2 = "The Wanderer's Companion"; |
| 11:42.34 | Miiru | ARTIFACT_MONK_MISTWEAVER_WEAPONNAME = "Sheilun, Staff of the Mists"; |
| 11:42.42 | Miiru | o:o |
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| 12:06.40 | mfgmfg | i guess i should just collect the item IDs myself |
| 12:19.52 | mfgmfg | http://www.wowhead.com/items/quality:6?filter=226;-2323;0 argh 1 too many items, not sure which one is the odd one out |
| 12:21.19 | mfgmfg | hm maybe the last one? |
| 12:22.32 | nevcairiel | yes the last one isnt real |
| 12:22.53 | nevcairiel | no equip ability |
| 12:27.51 | mfgmfg | and all but one of the equip says 'Grants' |
| 12:27.57 | mfgmfg | http://www.wowhead.com/item=128861/titanstrike&spec=268&bonus=0 |
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| 12:29.36 | nevcairiel | hati is a second pet, but an ability, afaik |
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| 12:37.55 | Semlar | hati is just out all the time |
| 12:39.38 | Semlar | i recall it causing issues with certain things because you can't dismiss it |
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| 13:22.16 | nevcairiel | it also has no unit as far as i can tell, causing a bit of grief |
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| 13:27.21 | mfgmfg | http://pastebin.com/raw/5bQD3uHg what other info might be useful to have in this table? |
| 13:28.25 | mfgmfg | maybe the spell IDs it grants? |
| 13:29.39 | d[karl]b | I like how if you're selling something on steam you can see the price history, but if you're buying it leaves you in the dark |
| 13:29.55 | d[karl]b | on the steam market* |
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| 13:52.50 | Arrow|work | ran across a gym with a lvl 10 magicarp in it lastnight so we put in another lvl 10 and a lvl 99 magicarp |
| 13:52.56 | Arrow|work | somebody took it over the night :( |
| 13:58.32 | znf | yup |
| 13:58.34 | znf | gyms are not easy to hold |
| 13:58.41 | znf | even if you have a 100% IV |
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| 14:19.49 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1469801986.png |
| 14:19.51 | VIad | map is weird :/ |
| 14:20.40 | mfgmfg | yeah the arrow textures slowly distort over time it seems |
| 14:21.05 | Alram | already fixed for next client patch apparently |
| 14:22.27 | VIad | neato |
| 14:22.36 | VIad | was worried it was a issue with some addon :p |
| 14:28.16 | nevcairiel | mmo-c blue tracker is still not fixed, still showing the description instead of the title of blog posts |
| 14:28.22 | nevcairiel | its really making the damn thing totally ugly |
| 14:29.21 | nevcairiel | (not to mention that its spamming the list with old-ass blog posts) |
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| 14:56.54 | foxlit | did someone say something about ADDON_LOADED addon name arg not matching file-level varargs addon name? |
| 14:58.11 | nevcairiel | that sounds odd, which one of those two is the right one? |
| 15:01.26 | foxlit | I don't know if that actually happens. |
| 15:02.10 | nevcairiel | i never use the vararg name |
| 15:02.17 | maunot | the casing used in the folder name is what gets passed on in the ADDON_LOADED arg, so if you're watching the event and using a literal string, you might get some mismatching :p |
| 15:02.19 | nevcairiel | only the table sometimes |
| 15:02.45 | nevcairiel | if you mismatch the casing of your folder and the string in the addon, its your own fault |
| 15:05.22 | maunot | well, yeah, or some users can be weird and mess the folder names on their own :p |
| 15:06.28 | nevcairiel | let them suffer |
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| 15:10.46 | foxlit | basically, I have this in an error report: http://pastebin.com/RhXYGMeC |
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| 15:11.54 | nevcairiel | isnt the typical strategy to just use the first ADDON_LOADED and then unreg it |
| 15:11.56 | foxlit | which seems to imply that SLT runs before AL, which in seems riduculous unless I somehow miss the right AL. |
| 15:12.07 | foxlit | no, that would be worse. |
| 15:12.31 | nevcairiel | the only way its not your own ADDON_LOADEd would be if you LoadAddon something else from the main chunk |
| 15:12.33 | foxlit | (but the --... includes code to unreg it if it makes you any happier) |
| 15:12.52 | foxlit | That's... not the only way. |
| 15:12.53 | znf | Client asked me to enable a PHP module on our shared webhosting. I reply to him that he can swap the PHP version (native is 5.3, for some unfortunate reasons), and he can enable the module for his websites in there. I tell him where he can do it. He asks me to do it VIA TEAMVIEWER on HIS COMPUTER. I deny, I tell him it's a service we provide for 50â¬/hour + VAT. He says that he's going to move away. |
| 15:13.02 | znf | I'm tempted to hit reply and say "good riddance" |
| 15:13.23 | nevcairiel | foxlit: how else then |
| 15:14.26 | foxlit | someone else can loadaddon on your behalf. |
| 15:14.31 | foxlit | Like, say, the error handler. |
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| 15:15.31 | foxlit | at which point you might be like "AHA! My saved variables are loaded.... AND NOW THEY'RE GONE." |
| 15:15.56 | nevcairiel | sure, but errors between now and ADDON_LOADED are typically just syntax errors, at least I never have any code that does things before A_L, which one should avoid to ship |
| 15:16.52 | foxlit | anyway, not relevant at all to this context. |
| 15:16.57 | HumanRegret | Hey guys, when using the UNIT_HEALTH event, my health updates if I change thing like items equip or what not, but if I take damage and start recovering health it doesn't update. is this not the event to use? |
| 15:21.07 | foxlit | nah, sounds like the right event. |
| 15:22.41 | maunot | yeah UNIT_HEALTH is the right event, but what you described sounds like UNIT_HEALTH_MAX :p |
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| 15:23.25 | maunot | s/HEALTH_MAX/MAXHEALTH |
| 15:26.32 | HumanRegret | I'm doing both, maunot, but UNIT_HEALTH isn't updating |
| 15:26.36 | HumanRegret | I guess I'm doing something wrong |
| 15:26.53 | foxlit | Semlar-psychic-powers activate! |
| 15:27.08 | mfgmfg | probably been asked and answered before but what is the purpose of master plan A? |
| 15:27.48 | Miiru | that moment when a shop sells you an unreleased t-shirt design because you asked for it :o |
| 15:28.14 | foxlit | MP proper is LoD and may not be loaded when some interesting things happen. |
| 15:29.18 | HumanRegret | question, do I need to unregister an event after its fired? or will unregistering an event remove it from the listener altogether? |
| 15:29.36 | mfgmfg | saw this in PlanA: IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(37485) -- http://www.wowhead.com/quest=37485/reuse |
| 15:31.18 | foxlit | you should only unregister an event if you no longer wish to receive it. |
| 15:31.24 | HumanRegret | okay |
| 15:31.49 | foxlit | mm, so they removed that tracking quest. |
| 15:32.33 | foxlit | otoh, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=189205/trade-agreement-arakkoa-outcasts still references it, so dunno. |
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| 15:34.16 | HumanRegret | i really wish i could of play wow from the beginning when it was relased |
| 15:34.25 | HumanRegret | released, coulda been so fun |
| 15:34.47 | Thunder_Child | It was at the time. Now it would be subjective. |
| 15:35.09 | Thunder_Child | There have been a LOT of changes. Most to make peoples lives much less dificult. |
| 15:35.19 | Thunder_Child | difficult* |
| 15:35.39 | foxlit | *annoying :) |
| 15:36.40 | Thunder_Child | That too. |
| 15:38.47 | HumanRegret | ha, i kinda wish i had the chance to grow up with it, might've been more into it.. but i was on the runescape grind :( |
| 15:38.59 | Thunder_Child | In vanilla I leveled as a prot pally. It meant I could solo elites 10 levels above me, it also meant that I could go make myself a sandwich before the fight was over. A large sandwich. |
| 15:39.54 | HumanRegret | http://i.imgur.com/QcjL83D.jpg <- health doesn't update :( :( :( any ideas why? http://pastebin.com/kpk7GcEg is the code |
| 15:40.03 | HumanRegret | i started playing in MoP |
| 15:40.08 | HumanRegret | i was like 6 years late to the party |
| 15:40.08 | HumanRegret | haha |
| 15:40.44 | Andols | row 15, your forgott a t |
| 15:40.46 | maunot | even == |
| 15:40.55 | Andols | if even instead of event |
| 15:41.09 | HumanRegret | oh god |
| 15:41.16 | foxlit | also the order of 11 and 12 is wrong. |
| 15:41.25 | mfgmfg | foxlit, i like how the notes says the same thing it did as when you created it: ## Notes: Garrision missions UI tweaks. |
| 15:41.27 | mfgmfg | 'tweaks' |
| 15:42.06 | HumanRegret | that is true, foxlit thanks for the heads up, and thanks. i never noticed the missing t D: |
| 15:43.12 | HumanRegret | woo |
| 15:43.18 | HumanRegret | stupid healthbar finally works |
| 15:43.19 | HumanRegret | ahhhhhh |
| 15:43.25 | Andols | :D |
| 15:49.14 | d[karl]b | http://i.imgur.com/KXgCdgS.jpg |
| 15:52.40 | HumanRegret | lol |
| 15:52.42 | HumanRegret | where is this to? |
| 15:53.16 | Thunder_Child | Heh, I went to Aussie land recently. |
| 15:53.21 | HumanRegret | ayy |
| 15:53.24 | HumanRegret | i live in aussie land :P |
| 15:53.57 | Thunder_Child | Yes, there are some around here. |
| 15:54.09 | Thunder_Child | Including an NZ. |
| 15:54.21 | Thunder_Child | But Blu is just weird. |
| 15:55.16 | HumanRegret | haha |
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| 16:08.42 | d[karl]b | tasmania |
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| 16:12.47 | Andols | Tasmania? |
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| 16:14.25 | Thunder_Child | Tazzy! |
| 16:15.35 | Thunder_Child | I went from there to Uluru in one day. Talk about a kick in the pants temperature wise. |
| 16:17.57 | nevcairiel | going from anywhere to uluru does that =p |
| 16:18.21 | nevcairiel | we went from melbourne in spring |
| 16:18.40 | Thunder_Child | Hobart is just a tad colder than Melbourne. |
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| 16:20.06 | HumanRegret | i live a few hours north of Sydney (Y) |
| 16:20.54 | nevcairiel | afterwards we drove the coast from melbourne to sydney, weather did drastically change in that distance, sydney sure is a lot warmer then melbourne |
| 16:21.39 | nevcairiel | that was september 2013, man time flies |
| 16:21.59 | mckenziemc | human perceptions of time fly |
| 16:22.37 | Thunder_Child | For me it was ~2 months ago. |
| 16:23.31 | mckenziemc | is it bad that i only know of Uluru because of Civ V? |
| 16:23.58 | HumanRegret | who even calls it uluru |
| 16:23.58 | HumanRegret | damn |
| 16:23.59 | Thunder_Child | Not really. |
| 16:24.14 | HumanRegret | It's Ayres Rock dammit |
| 16:25.01 | mckenziemc | rocks the boat. |
| 16:25.08 | Thunder_Child | Not any more. |
| 16:25.20 | HumanRegret | go say that to the locals |
| 16:25.20 | HumanRegret | lmao |
| 16:26.34 | Thunder_Child | The locals in this case are the aborigines. |
| 16:26.40 | HumanRegret | yis |
| 16:26.57 | nevcairiel | wouldnt they want it called uluru |
| 16:27.00 | HumanRegret | is it possible to do table[0] = something? |
| 16:27.16 | nevcairiel | HumanRegret: yes, just dont do it on a frame, [0] stores special data for frames |
| 16:27.17 | foxlit | sure, but if table isn't just a table, it might be a bad idea. |
| 16:27.18 | Thunder_Child | Yes they do, which is why I am confused. |
| 16:27.45 | HumanRegret | I'm just talking shit lmao, when they first changed it from Ayres Rock to Uluru every one in the NT lost their shit |
| 16:27.57 | HumanRegret | it's just a table to hold power types |
| 16:28.00 | Thunder_Child | Wel yea, change does that. |
| 16:28.05 | HumanRegret | the first return is 0 for mana yeah? |
| 16:28.23 | Thunder_Child | s/Wel/Well/ |
| 16:28.24 | nevcairiel | 0 is mana, yes |
| 16:28.50 | nevcairiel | see also SPELL_POWER_MANA et al. |
| 16:32.07 | HumanRegret | uhh |
| 16:32.09 | HumanRegret | is that a thing? |
| 16:32.18 | nevcairiel | every power type has a constant, yes |
| 16:32.21 | HumanRegret | cause i can't find it on the events docs xD |
| 16:32.39 | nevcairiel | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Constants.lua#108 |
| 16:32.51 | HumanRegret | o |
| 16:33.02 | HumanRegret | thanks |
| 16:41.14 | fewyn | morning all o/ |
| 16:41.26 | fewyn | it dropped like 20 degrees yesterday temperture wise |
| 16:41.34 | fewyn | from like 90 F to 70 F |
| 16:41.36 | fewyn | after it rained |
| 16:41.39 | mfgmfg | odd easter egg https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_ArtifactUI/Blizzard_ArtifactPowerButton.lua#36 |
| 16:41.49 | mfgmfg | or leftover debugging code? |
| 16:41.56 | mckenziemc | but what's the humidity now, fewyn |
| 16:41.57 | Thunder_Child | fewyn: Sounds like a + |
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| 16:42.58 | mfgmfg | makes it look like http://i.imgur.com/HOtbcmg.png |
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| 16:43.59 | TheDanW | no comment |
| 16:44.05 | nevcairiel | next build: removed |
| 16:44.05 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 16:57.32 | Thunder_Child | mfgmfg: It's part of the "Build your own artifact weapon." |
| 16:57.49 | Thunder_Child | wow's version of build-a-bear. |
| 16:58.02 | fewyn | Thunder_Child: well the AC at work is turned down to 68 because it has been working against high temps |
| 16:58.14 | fewyn | so last night when this happened it actually became 68 in the classroom |
| 16:58.20 | fewyn | and i have no control over the a/c |
| 16:58.32 | Thunder_Child | I'm still not seeing a problem. |
| 16:58.33 | fewyn | normally with it set to 68 |
| 16:58.36 | fewyn | it gets to like |
| 16:58.38 | fewyn | 75 |
| 16:58.59 | fewyn | 75 is my comfort zone |
| 16:59.02 | fewyn | anything below is cold |
| 16:59.06 | fewyn | and anythign above is hot |
| 16:59.18 | Thunder_Child | I'm happy with 68. It will make people pay better attention. |
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| 17:00.18 | fewyn | last night was the last day of the class |
| 17:00.21 | fewyn | today they take their exam |
| 17:00.24 | fewyn | which i am so glad for |
| 17:00.28 | fewyn | because fuck this class |
| 17:01.13 | fewyn | if you can't tell my current batch of students/trainees i do not like |
| 17:01.52 | fewyn | can someone tell me why someone would say a job is too technical in training if the title of the job has the words "TECHNICAL SUPPORT" written in it? |
| 17:03.06 | Thunder_Child | There are levels. |
| 17:03.11 | Thunder_Child | What do you teach? |
| 17:03.18 | mckenziemc | language is relative |
| 17:04.04 | fewyn | Thunder_Child: I'm a Trainer for a vendor, we do support for Apple |
| 17:04.25 | fewyn | I'm currently training them on iOS |
| 17:04.31 | fewyn | in prep for our peak season |
| 17:05.27 | Thunder_Child | My condolences. |
| 17:06.11 | fewyn | it's not bad... not paid nearly enough tho |
| 17:06.48 | fewyn | a whole new curriculum was sprung on me just before this class started so i had to throw everything i had been using out the window for the new one |
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| 17:25.55 | jleclanche | how does Can I Mog It track the whole "learned from another item" thing? does it know from the server whether the *specific* item was learned? |
| 17:28.48 | Fisker | Items have appearance id's I think? |
| 17:30.16 | zenzelezz | the "resub" concept on Twitch bothers me. Not because of how it works, but "resub" doesn't sound like you continue to subscribe; rather like you had unsubscribed and later, you know, resubscribed |
| 17:30.57 | jleclanche | Fisker: what i mean is, how does it know it was learned from one item and not another? eg. does the game server track "you have learned this item, and also this item, but not that item, even tho they all 3 have the same appearance"? |
| 17:31.16 | Fisker | ah |
| 17:33.00 | Simca | yes, pretty sure, jleclanche |
| 17:33.15 | Simca | i think it does that in order to put the text in the tooltip for the transmog |
| 17:33.19 | jleclanche | Simca: jesus so an OCDish player would have to collect every fucking item? |
| 17:33.27 | Simca | like 'blah blah' 'Transmogged to Stuff' |
| 17:33.55 | Simca | possibly? I'm not actually sure the game lets you 'learn' it from any item after the first one |
| 17:34.26 | Simca | which kind of sucks if you are an OCDish player and got an appearance for a set item from something outside the set first |
| 17:34.28 | jleclanche | it seems it does |
| 17:34.31 | Simca | ah okay |
| 17:34.37 | jleclanche | because it says "learned" after i click the new one |
| 17:34.37 | jleclanche | fml |
| 17:34.58 | Simca | does it display it as a duplicate in the list of appearances now? |
| 17:35.13 | Simca | or maybe just an alternate option, something like that. |
| 17:35.15 | Simca | i forget |
| 17:35.28 | jleclanche | i have no idea, i havent been looking at that panel at all, just been clicking shit. |
| 17:52.11 | Guill | jleclanche: If you mouseover the appearances in the collection journal, it'll show which items you've learned it from. And when you're transmogging, you can right-click to change which item it lists under the "Transmogged to ___" text |
| 17:52.33 | jleclanche | ohgod |
| 17:52.43 | jleclanche | why would it be implemented like this Guill lol |
| 17:53.04 | Guill | Because people want to show that they got the REAL item and not the lookalike 2 expansions later |
| 17:53.13 | jleclanche | mmh |
| 17:53.21 | jleclanche | i had a rant last time about this sort of stuff, its exactly what killed wildstar for me, and wow later |
| 17:53.40 | jleclanche | the impossible-to-do-in-a-human-lifetime amount of shit to collect |
| 17:53.44 | jleclanche | completely kills the OCD |
| 17:53.44 | Thunder_Child | Are you sure you should be encouraging that kind of behavior? |
| 17:54.21 | Thunder_Child | I feel like the Psych experts you guys "should" have on staff would say "Oh hell no." |
| 17:54.39 | jleclanche | theres achievements in the game like |
| 17:54.53 | jleclanche | whats it called again, the one that asks you to get every toy from timeless isle |
| 17:54.56 | Guill | Me personally? I think it should say "Transmogged to: Hand of Ragnaros (2/100)" and you need to collect multiples of that item to increase that number |
| 17:55.21 | jleclanche | that is humanly near-impossible to do, i wouldnt be surprised to find out less people have it than the various gladiator achievements |
| 17:55.47 | jleclanche | specifically because one of the pets has an insanely low droprate on a npc which is abusively hard to spawn |
| 17:55.58 | jleclanche | and these are like, casual achievements |
| 17:56.16 | jleclanche | hey Guill you're at blizzcon right? |
| 17:56.27 | Guill | Right now? No, I'm at work |
| 17:56.29 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: need a bigger bag and I have that |
| 17:56.37 | jleclanche | Guill: no, i mean this year :P |
| 17:56.41 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Guill |
| 17:56.41 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into Guill's ear |
| 17:56.48 | Guill | jleclanche: Yeah, I'll be there :P |
| 17:57.15 | jleclanche | Guill: UI dinner? |
| 17:57.26 | Thunder_Child | So what color is the new DH going to be? |
| 17:57.38 | Thunder_Child | Oh, purple. |
| 17:57.43 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: do testify for me how insane that achievement is |
| 17:57.50 | Guill | jleclanche: I haven't heard anything about one this year yet, but I'll be going as long as one happens :) |
| 17:57.58 | jleclanche | sweet! |
| 17:58.14 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: http://i.imgur.com/GoOQQZo.png don't judge |
| 17:58.50 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: Ok. On the offhand I don't do the achievement before blizzcon. |
| 18:00.22 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: i meant Stanzilla |
| 18:01.00 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: well I know someone who is still on timeless isle every day since two years+ and still hasnt gotten his last piece |
| 18:01.01 | Stanzilla | so yeah |
| 18:01.04 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: i dont know how insane that is. i have 250ish and i was pretty hardcore up until like half a year ago |
| 18:01.13 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: yeaaaaahhhh ... |
| 18:01.43 | jleclanche | Guill: see PM ;p |
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| 18:13.26 | jleclanche | anyone here going to gamescom? |
| 18:14.57 | fewyn | nope it's on the wrong side of the ocean |
| 18:15.25 | jleclanche | fewyn: just turn the ocean around |
| 18:16.07 | jleclanche | if you fly from the west it's on the right side! |
| 18:16.07 | jleclanche | solved |
| 18:16.22 | Fisker | Blizzcon is on the wrong side of the ocean too |
| 18:17.41 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/sGDmgvE.png any idea what the 4th value, 1273726 represents? |
| 18:17.50 | Elkano | are red/yellow/blue sockets gone from the items? or only from their base versions? (I'm not getting any item having corresponding stats via GetItemStats during my scans) |
| 18:18.48 | jleclanche | hey, anyone here using finding and wants to update/help update it? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14774-FindIt.html |
| 18:18.49 | Elkano | spirit seems to be gone, too |
| 18:19.01 | Stanzilla | Elkano: new sockets are always colorless, old items still have colorful ones |
| 18:19.12 | Guill | mfgmfg: file ID for the artifact's icon. icon:SetTexture(fileID) |
| 18:19.35 | Elkano | Stanzilla, I got a bunch of new socket returns though; shouldn't they all be meta? |
| 18:19.52 | Stanzilla | "prismatic" |
| 18:20.47 | Tentacled | I wonder... How many item cache queries does the game send out before delaying the subsequent queries until responses to the initial ones arrive..? |
| 18:21.16 | mfgmfg | Guill, not SetToFileData ? |
| 18:21.23 | Stanzilla | Elkano: sockets are a random proc on items now, one slot max and always type "prismatic" |
| 18:21.26 | Elkano | Tentacled, 10 per .1sec was working fine for me |
| 18:21.32 | TheDanW | Tentacled: i feel like if you' |
| 18:21.41 | TheDanW | you're asking that question i ts too many |
| 18:22.35 | Elkano | will have to find a good number, too... scanning 117300 IDs takes ages... |
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| 18:23.07 | Tentacled | Well I can just toss 1000 queries and wait for all responses, or be more considerate and space them out. |
| 18:24.35 | Elkano | Stanzilla, I got the following: EMPTY_SOCKET_ARCANE, EMPTY_SOCKET_BLOOD, EMPTY_SOCKET_COGWHEEL, EMPTY_SOCKET_FEL, EMPTY_SOCKET_FIRE, EMPTY_SOCKET_FROST, EMPTY_SOCKET_HOLY, EMPTY_SOCKET_HYDRAULIC, EMPTY_SOCKET_IRON, EMPTY_SOCKET_LIFE, EMPTY_SOCKET_META, EMPTY_SOCKET_PRISMATIC, EMPTY_SOCKET_SHADOW, EMPTY_SOCKET_WIND |
| 18:24.42 | Elkano | and yeah, prismatic, not meta |
| 18:24.58 | Stanzilla | some of those are artifact relic sockets |
| 18:25.06 | Stanzilla | some are engineering item only sockets |
| 18:25.34 | Elkano | ah, the artifact... yeah, makes sense |
| 18:25.37 | Stanzilla | Elkano: http://www.wowhead.com/item=77530/ghost-iron-dragonling for example |
| 18:26.03 | Stanzilla | life shadow wind frost holy etc are all artifact |
| 18:26.04 | Thunder_Child | So the DH Q&A is currently going on, and it seems that demonic is cross factin. |
| 18:26.10 | Thunder_Child | faction* |
| 18:26.29 | Thunder_Child | That's amusing. |
| 18:27.04 | Guill | mfgmfg: I believe only models have a separate file ID vs. file name function. Textures have just differentiate by string/number |
| 18:28.21 | mfgmfg | http://pastebin.com/raw/iQcKps3z where's a good place to add this information? |
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| 18:28.25 | Elkano | on a side note, there seems to be still some item with +hit around; could be an unaccessable item though |
| 18:28.29 | mfgmfg | my notes so far on C_ArtifactUI |
| 18:29.09 | Elkano | mfgmfg: wowpedia, one page each ;) |
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| 18:30.09 | mfgmfg | unsure of 3 return values from the Get*ArtifactInfo() functions |
| 18:30.10 | Elkano | or rather on some index page there and have each just link to a non-existing page |
| 18:30.42 | mfgmfg | there seem to be 3 different programming wikis |
| 18:31.01 | mfgmfg | wikia, gamepedia, wowprogramming |
| 18:32.46 | Ressy | gamepedia was part of wikia... Which is only updated by wikia staff for the ad revenue. |
| 18:33.00 | Ressy | wowprogramming was pre-site, based off the old book |
| 18:33.27 | Ressy | Usually I'd say gamepedia will be more up to date |
| 18:33.58 | VIad | wowprogramming has better widget related layout |
| 18:34.01 | VIad | and navigation |
| 18:35.43 | mfgmfg | i noticed that wowpedia was the only one with up to date doc on UnitGUID |
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| 18:45.13 | Elkano | seems like the strings for the artifact sockets aren't in game (yet) |
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| 18:48.12 | TheDanW | which strings? |
| 18:51.39 | mfgmfg | whoo, august 9 for invasion/DH |
| 18:52.01 | Elkano | e.g. _G.EMPTY_SOCKET_FEL |
| 18:53.38 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/qEg8F0H |
| 18:54.15 | VIad | karl_w_w: can you make it show adult images? |
| 18:54.39 | karl_w_w | imgur? absolutely |
| 18:55.39 | TheDanW | there are no EMPTY_SOCKET_* strings for relics, they're RELIC_SLOT_TYPE_*, try RELIC_SLOT_TYPE_FEL |
| 18:56.14 | VIad | I meant the windows random wallpaper feature :p |
| 18:56.44 | mfgmfg | i wish C_ArtifactUI.GetArtifactArtInfo() would take an argument so I can get artifact info for other classes |
| 18:56.44 | karl_w_w | probably |
| 18:56.59 | mfgmfg | seems like you can only get info on artifacts you've obtained so far |
| 18:57.24 | Thunder_Child | mfgmfg: That's not a for sure. |
| 18:57.30 | Thunder_Child | Aug 9th. |
| 18:57.32 | Thunder_Child | I mean. |
| 18:58.20 | mfgmfg | Thunder_Child, were you watching the Q&A? |
| 18:58.40 | Thunder_Child | mfgmfg: I was, but I switched to reading it. |
| 18:59.05 | Thunder_Child | What I read is "I don't know...when they are ready! Which I believe is August 9th." |
| 18:59.08 | mfgmfg | what wording did you read where it's not a sure thing? |
| 18:59.15 | mfgmfg | okay |
| 18:59.30 | VIad | is it 8/9/16 or 9/8/16? |
| 18:59.34 | mfgmfg | mmo-champ is going with it as a sure thing "Demon Hunters will release August 9th, along with Demon Invasions." |
| 18:59.39 | VIad | you can never be sure with americans |
| 18:59.43 | mfgmfg | 2016/09/08 |
| 18:59.45 | VIad | suddenly invasions start in september |
| 19:00.05 | Thunder_Child | You can be sure with Americans that invasions start sooner than later. |
| 19:01.47 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/kE9IkkJ.jpg UI usability issue? someone might get confused about which artifact will get the power |
| 19:02.43 | VIad | this guy covered whole screen :D http://ss.bool.no/capture_1469818954.png |
| 19:03.26 | VIad | also I hate how mobs spread and try to circle me now, I cant keep them stacked on one side anymore |
| 19:03.27 | VIad | so annoying |
| 19:03.41 | VIad | because cleave abilities literally require the other target to be next to the first |
| 19:03.45 | VIad | otherwise I only hit the first |
| 19:03.52 | VIad | unlike fury warrior cleave, that has like a 30 yards aoe range :P |
| 19:03.58 | mfgmfg | shoulda been a druid |
| 19:04.28 | VIad | make the cleave same across classes |
| 19:11.54 | Elkano | there is no standard lua function to remove a known value with unknown position from a table, right? |
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| 19:14.04 | VIad | t[ref] = nil ? |
| 19:15.19 | Guill | Elkano: no standard Lua function, but tDeleteItem exists in WoW's global namespace (works only for the array part of a table) |
| 19:15.20 | Elkano | that would require a known position/key |
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| 19:16.46 | Elkano | Guill, I wonder if it's faster than a d'n'c approach on a huge sorted table (tens of thousands entries) |
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| 19:17.22 | Guill | "d'n'c"? |
| 19:17.29 | Elkano | divide and conquer |
| 19:17.47 | VIad | what kind of wargames are you playing, Elkano? |
| 19:17.53 | Elkano | or well, just binary sort |
| 19:18.00 | Guill | Oh. Yeah, I mean for a sufficiently large table a binary search will be faster than linear, but... |
| 19:18.06 | Elkano | -sort- search |
| 19:18.33 | Elkano | VIad, just computer science stuff :P |
| 19:18.45 | VIad | writing a OS in lua? |
| 19:19.01 | Elkano | no, fixing my ItemDB |
| 19:20.51 | mfgmfg | wonder if blizzard has any plans on exposing artifact information to /inspect or if people would need to have an addon to share their current artifact traits |
| 19:21.12 | VIad | at some point we will have a libartifact for inspect maths |
| 19:21.24 | VIad | to calculate cirka range of the users artifact based on stats and gear |
| 19:22.09 | mfgmfg | seems like right now i will have to ask people to dump their artifact info for the ones they have as I cannot look this information up from a single class |
| 19:24.35 | mfgmfg | i can't figure out how it knows which artifact to load when i shift+right click one in my bags |
| 19:24.55 | mfgmfg | it might be looking at ITEM_LOCKED internally |
| 19:25.27 | mfgmfg | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_ArtifactUI/Blizzard_ArtifactUI.lua#84 |
| 19:26.31 | TheDanW | SocketInventoryItem |
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| 19:28.24 | TheDanW | or SocketContainerItem etc |
| 19:28.37 | mfgmfg | cannot open UI on artifact i do not have (or a different class's) |
| 19:28.42 | VIad | since race/class stats at 110 are fixed, the baseline, calculating from talents and gear, considering mastery too, you can then calculate the amount of % stats gained from artifact and be able to estimate other peoples artifact levels |
| 19:28.53 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: correct |
| 19:32.54 | mfgmfg | oh hey http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23989-LegionArtifacts-1.0.html lib for artifacts you've already gotten |
| 19:46.36 | VIad | the inventory border color on equipped items is gone now. kind of odd, cant remember to have used an addon specifically for it :p |
| 19:46.53 | Stanzilla | oglow |
| 19:48.43 | VIad | haste: please update oglow with the new tradeskill ui :p someone said there is an error |
| 19:50.04 | Stanzilla | he is travelling atm |
| 19:50.09 | Stanzilla | just disable the module for now |
| 19:50.56 | haste | VIad: yeah, in Japan currently |
| 19:51.08 | VIad | oh! what are you doing all the way over there? |
| 19:51.27 | haste | mostly being a useless alcoholic :p |
| 19:51.30 | haste | and foodie |
| 19:51.48 | haste | it's soon 5 AM now |
| 19:52.03 | VIad | work or leisure? |
| 19:52.15 | haste | leisure |
| 19:52.24 | haste | I did some work connections earlier today |
| 19:52.30 | VIad | then keep on alcoholicing |
| 19:52.35 | haste | which is why I'm still up at 5 AM |
| 19:59.15 | kd3 | hm, looking forward to doing the same thing in ~6 weeks |
| 19:59.23 | kd3 | gonna be over there for 2 weeks |
| 20:05.04 | Elkano | you're in Japan? I do envy you a bit for that :) |
| 20:08.35 | zenzelezz | can you get uncensored porn there? |
| 20:09.00 | VIad | bet the pussy is not in frame in all the porn |
| 20:09.00 | VIad | :p |
| 20:09.57 | zenzelezz | they're a weird country. They make the craziest shit, but god forbid they show genitals |
| 20:10.40 | VIad | in US the nipples are taboo so :p |
| 20:10.46 | VIad | either both okay or not imo |
| 20:11.02 | zenzelezz | taboo sure, but not illegal to picture |
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| 20:14.47 | VIad | wtf |
| 20:15.07 | VIad | "Chimaeron Massacre hit you 999 999. You died." |
| 20:15.22 | VIad | "Massacre: Inflicts maximum damage to all enemy players." I only got 245k hp :P |
| 20:15.40 | VIad | I guess I gotta use the robot guy |
| 20:15.47 | mfgmfg | kill it faster |
| 20:16.06 | VIad | this fury warrior I never play at 650 ilvl on 25 heroic doubt it |
| 20:16.28 | VIad | half way before he killed me ^^ |
| 20:16.49 | kd3 | did you talk to finkle and get his buff? |
| 20:18.03 | zenzelezz | ignore Einhorn |
| 20:18.24 | VIad | talked to him this time for the buff yes :p |
| 20:18.48 | VIad | wont need to in legion, tanks got like 2 mil hp at fresh 110 with decent gear :d |
| 20:18.56 | VIad | since massacre did 999k dmg |
| 20:19.19 | mfgmfg | 650 oof |
| 20:19.34 | mfgmfg | go do kazzak and beg people to trade you their obsolete gear |
| 20:19.53 | VIad | xD |
| 20:20.02 | VIad | I traded some random trinket I got in LFR archimond |
| 20:20.07 | VIad | the guy couldnt believe his eyes |
| 20:20.16 | VIad | dont people give away gear they dont need now that you can give it away? :p |
| 20:20.43 | VIad | ah kazzak ilvl drops were upped too |
| 20:20.45 | VIad | 740? |
| 20:21.17 | mfgmfg | 720 base |
| 20:21.33 | mfgmfg | with titanforging a possibility of course |
| 20:22.02 | VIad | btw I got a bow on my warrior that I added to the account collection |
| 20:22.15 | VIad | didnt blizz say it only worked for stuff you can equip and actually use for the class? |
| 20:22.20 | VIad | warrior with bow >_> |
| 20:22.33 | Stanzilla | oh wow Olivia Grace went to Curse |
| 20:22.37 | Stanzilla | why didn't you tell me, Torhal |
| 20:22.45 | mfgmfg | VIad, in vanilla there was a separate ranged slot |
| 20:23.01 | VIad | blizz stated something about transmog rules earlier last week |
| 20:23.03 | mfgmfg | warriors/rogues could get that stuff |
| 20:23.11 | VIad | said you must be able to equip and use it for the class |
| 20:23.13 | mfgmfg | and they never took it away |
| 20:23.23 | Torhal | Stanzilla: I didn't know you cared. |
| 20:23.23 | mfgmfg | you can equip and use bows on warriors |
| 20:23.32 | Stanzilla | she's cool |
| 20:23.40 | mfgmfg | just generally doesn't work well |
| 20:23.48 | VIad | it doesnt auto attack :p |
| 20:23.52 | VIad | and I cant use any abilities |
| 20:23.55 | VIad | so I'd say I can't |
| 20:24.00 | VIad | but can equip it so I guess... |
| 20:24.18 | VIad | my warrior kept the bow at the back and punched the mobs |
| 20:25.07 | mfgmfg | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=3018/shoot#changelog this i think |
| 20:26.25 | VIad | might be it |
| 20:26.30 | VIad | its such bizzare thing to keep in the game |
| 20:26.33 | VIad | if its only for vanity sake |
| 20:26.42 | VIad | considering they purged so much useless crap anyways |
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| 20:27.16 | VIad | I mean I dont mind really, means I got it unlocked for myt hunter on my warrior :d |
| 20:27.51 | Stanzilla | Torhal: is she the prodcut manager for curse voice? |
| 20:30.19 | Torhal | Stanzilla: For WoW AFAIK. |
| 20:30.54 | Stanzilla | cool |
| 20:34.02 | VIad | bonus armor was removed? |
| 20:34.07 | kd3 | and spirit |
| 20:34.17 | VIad | then what does this do? http://www.wowhead.com/item=129895 |
| 20:34.45 | nevcairiel | old items dont necessarily get updated |
| 20:34.50 | nevcairiel | and mioght still give you armor |
| 20:34.54 | kd3 | it was removed as a raw stat on gear. it still exists in old spells |
| 20:35.06 | kd3 | but not like it matters for pre-warlords stuff |
| 20:35.53 | VIad | interestintg |
| 20:36.01 | kd3 | here's what the armory says that item's stats are: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/40683 |
| 20:36.23 | kd3 | oh, wait, no, wrong item |
| 20:36.53 | kd3 | huh, the armory still says bonus armor too. oh well. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/129895/timewalker?wowLocale=0 |
| 20:37.11 | VIad | ^^ |
| 20:37.17 | VIad | does it just give armor then, math wise? |
| 20:37.27 | nevcairiel | thats what bonus armor has always done |
| 20:37.29 | VIad | wonder what about spirit :p |
| 20:37.40 | VIad | if some "use" spirit still remain |
| 20:38.12 | kd3 | I've seen a number of old trinkets drop that still have spell power on them, even though SP has been removed from weapons |
| 20:38.30 | kd3 | it happens. again, not like it matters for previous-expansion gear |
| 20:39.16 | VIad | I wonder if the old benefits are there, or if it just does nothing backend |
| 20:39.28 | VIad | or maybe it buffer overflows and does things you shouldnt be able to do :3 |
| 20:40.01 | mfgmfg | maybe spell power secretly increases maximum camera zoom |
| 20:40.18 | mfgmfg | distance* |
| 20:45.38 | VIad | omfg you are right, spell power increased my camera zoom distance! |
| 20:52.35 | Zeldo | She is technically the product manager for CurseApp |
| 20:52.41 | Zeldo | (A second one) |
| 20:52.46 | Zeldo | But anything WoW related goes to her |
| 20:56.49 | Ssateneth | so is new curse app going to force limit me to only 1 download at a time and no auto-update? |
| 20:57.10 | Thunder_Child | She has a picture of her desk and only has one monitor. I think that violates the Geneva Convention. |
| 20:57.14 | Ssateneth | i will use curse client as long as possible |
| 20:57.22 | Zeldo | Ssateneth: Do you have premmy? |
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| 21:05.56 | maunot | oh right, speaking about max camera distance limit, I just rememberd something I discovered a few years ago. Calling MoveViewInStart with a negative number doesn't really care about that limit :P https://youtu.be/HfKDDmRj7lc (or maybe I just have a LOT of spellpower... ?) |
| 21:08.34 | Mischanix | oh that's weird |
| 21:11.59 | mfgmfg | shhhhh |
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| 21:13.45 | Mischanix | I think MoveViewOutStart with positive wouldn't care about the limit either |
| 21:14.00 | maunot | it does actually, tried that :p |
| 21:15.20 | Mischanix | Ah I see it, yeah |
| 21:15.31 | Mischanix | on the other hand you could make the camera distance negative with MoveViewInStart |
| 21:15.41 | Mischanix | not sure if the renderer would like that though, might clamp it to zero there. |
| 21:16.01 | Mischanix | er MoveViewOutStart |
| 21:16.10 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/AdgUTdZ.jpg too far? |
| 21:17.18 | Mischanix | I can still see terrain! |
| 21:17.38 | VIad | you are approaching low orbit |
| 21:17.42 | VIad | be careful |
| 21:19.10 | VIad | wonder if a GM can help me check if my character XP is locked |
| 21:19.25 | VIad | or lock it for me, as I dont want my level 1 bank to level when moving him to new dalaran :/ |
| 21:19.56 | Mischanix | the default ui xp bar is hidden when locked |
| 21:20.56 | VIad | oh crap |
| 21:20.58 | VIad | then its not locked |
| 21:21.06 | VIad | oh crap, I hope a GM could help me lock it. my char has the gold. |
| 21:21.15 | VIad | if I try to get to the NPC I will level from discovery |
| 21:21.32 | mfgmfg | remake the character if it levels? |
| 21:22.03 | VIad | I got a bank guild on him |
| 21:22.09 | VIad | would be a lot to do, but worst case, yeah :/ |
| 21:22.23 | VIad | I was thinking what happens if I write a nice ticket to ask GM to lock his XP |
| 21:22.51 | mfgmfg | IsXPUserDisabled |
| 21:23.25 | mfgmfg | VIad, have beta access? |
| 21:23.31 | VIad | I do |
| 21:23.42 | mfgmfg | copy the char and see if moving it will level it up? |
| 21:23.49 | mfgmfg | or if you can get to the locking NPC |
| 21:23.55 | VIad | its level 1, can I cope level 1? |
| 21:24.05 | VIad | copy* |
| 21:24.09 | Mischanix | yeah you can copy any char |
| 21:24.14 | VIad | oh neat. Ill try that |
| 21:24.14 | mfgmfg | hm, 10 is probably min |
| 21:24.24 | mfgmfg | don't see my level 1s on copy |
| 21:24.40 | Mischanix | http://imgur.com/REN46NM -- the terrain raycast breaks when the camera velocity is this high lol |
| 21:24.55 | VIad | stop hacking the game, Mischanix :p |
| 21:25.39 | Mischanix | lua script! such hax! |
| 21:25.58 | VIad | crap, my bank not appearing on copy, 10 is min |
| 21:26.07 | Mischanix | if the raycast is binary searching or something like that, i know how to hack in a fix for this >.> |
| 21:29.43 | Mischanix | ah i think this is actually because the terrain behind the camera as it's going back takes a second to load |
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| 21:32.26 | mfgmfg | VIad, create new level 1, summon to xp lock NPC to see what it discovers, check if you've already discovered that on your bank alt |
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| 21:33.37 | VIad | how can I check if I have discovered a specific area on a character? |
| 21:33.46 | VIad | like the specific area in the stormwind keep with the NPC guy |
| 21:34.11 | VIad | or maybe SW is one giant XP and no more subareas, hmm |
| 21:34.13 | VIad | I have to check |
| 21:34.29 | Stalts | howdy, folks. quick question: I came across that book, beginning lua with wow addons, and I wanted to ask you guys if you think it's a good resource to learning how to make addons? |
| 21:37.24 | Thunder_Child | 2009 might be a bit out of date now. |
| 21:38.20 | Stalts | it seems to mention things that might change and seems to tries to prepare the reader for dealing with those changes, or so it seems. |
| 21:39.08 | Stalts | I just started reading it and it seems to be a good read, but the opinion of real addon developers would be greatly appreciated. |
| 21:39.44 | Stalts | their mention to mpq files, however, is never addressed as something that could change. hehe |
| 21:45.11 | znf | It's probably useless |
| 21:51.49 | nevcairiel | you dont really need to care what the games data is stored in to write addons |
| 21:52.11 | Thunder_Child | Unless you are a weirdo. |
| 21:52.23 | znf | Whatever teaches you in those books, it's antiqued :P |
| 21:52.26 | nevcairiel | most of the basics probably still apply, many more complex things that interact with the default game UI might not |
| 21:52.28 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: meaning most of us :D |
| 21:52.57 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia: Bingo. |
| 22:02.04 | Semlar | i doubt it's useless, the basics aren't going to change |
| 22:02.41 | Semlar | you could ask the author, he's in here |
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| 22:03.24 | Semlar | oh wait different book |
| 22:03.52 | Semlar | i didn't realize there were multiple different addon books |
| 22:04.01 | Stalts | so you're saying there is another addon book? |
| 22:04.24 | Stalts | a more recent book, perhaps? |
| 22:04.30 | Semlar | nnnnnot more recent |
| 22:05.07 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.38 | nevcairiel | yeah its also pretty old by now |
| 22:05.55 | nevcairiel | unfortunately writing such books is a massive job, and the interest isnt what it used to be |
| 22:06.47 | Stalts | yeah, I guess. |
| 22:07.23 | Stalts | hopefully those books still have some value either for wow or for lua, if not for programming in general, so it won't really be a waste. |
| 22:07.25 | nevcairiel | most people who already are programmers can usually muddle through the first steps and learn |
| 22:07.43 | nevcairiel | if you are not a programmer at all yet, the basics in those books may be helpful |
| 22:07.59 | nevcairiel | (and even if you are, it still teaches you the basics for WoW, even if some higher level stuff may have changed) |
| 22:08.53 | Stalts | I'm not a programmer, just recently started learning programming things, so I'll stick with it and read more, if nothing else at least it's a pleasant experience. |
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| 22:10.47 | Stalts | there is also a playlist on youtube by mayron's hideout which is one year old. |
| 22:14.30 | TheDanW | i glanced through the book, someone here has a copy, most of it still looks pretty relevant, but some things are easier to do now, like the section on simple timers recommends a library, where C_Timer would be sufficient now |
| 22:14.56 | nevcairiel | to be fair C_Timer is extremely new in the grand scheme of things |
| 22:15.36 | nevcairiel | but it did make timers far simpler |
| 22:16.37 | Semlar | new by glacial warcraft standards |
| 22:16.52 | TheDanW | harsh |
| 22:17.02 | Semlar | i calls em as i sees em |
| 22:17.40 | Semlar | it was added what, 2 years ago? |
| 22:17.50 | nevcairiel | with WoD afaik |
| 22:17.55 | nevcairiel | so there abouts |
| 22:19.22 | TheDanW | to be fair, we wrote it in 2013, you guys just didn't get it for a year ;p |
| 22:19.27 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:21.32 | foxlit | Still upset that 0 became "on next frame" |
| 22:22.01 | nevcairiel | not sure how you would expect anything else |
| 22:22.26 | nevcairiel | a timer with 0 delay screams "as soon as possible" to me, which probably means the next time the timers are handled |
| 22:22.31 | foxlit | It began as "before this frame, kthx" |
| 22:22.34 | Neffi | if you want it dispatched immediately why not just call it? |
| 22:22.44 | Iriel | TheDanW: There was a library version of a callback timer in the Blizzard UI code for a bit, I wrote one for the early v2. secure headers, but it was removed due to fears of automation. |
| 22:23.06 | TheDanW | it solved otherwise difficult to solve problems regarding adding 0 duration timers from within another timer callback |
| 22:24.58 | foxlit | Neffi: because I want it to run adter something that runs after me, but not cause a visual flicker as it updates ui elements |
| 22:27.10 | Neffi | sounds like a weird requirement and probably hackish as fuck |
| 22:27.29 | Neffi | is it from an event dispatch? |
| 22:27.36 | Semlar | stop hacking neffi |
| 22:27.41 | Neffi | never |
| 22:27.45 | Neffi | hack the planet, Semlar |
| 22:27.59 | Semlar | consider it hacked |
| 22:29.02 | Neffi | thx |
| 22:29.06 | foxlit | Anyway, less efficient workaround implemented, no longer care about implementation details. |
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| 22:49.43 | ccox | oooh, client update and server restart - maybe they fixed something. |
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| 22:50.38 | Stalts | you don't need to rub your beta access on my face. |
| 22:50.58 | nevcairiel | you can get those on the ptr as well =p |
| 22:52.04 | Andols | Why is the ptr still upp btw, the patch is released :/ |
| 22:52.11 | nevcairiel | why not |
| 22:52.13 | Stalts | I guess, but it's not as fun. |
| 22:52.20 | nevcairiel | it runs a newer version then live right now |
| 22:52.27 | nevcairiel | for public testing |
| 22:52.29 | nevcairiel | on a realm |
| 22:52.31 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:52.31 | Stalts | than* |
| 22:52.35 | Stalts | :D |
| 22:52.39 | Andols | :D |
| 22:52.43 | nevcairiel | logs onto the beta and points and laughs at Stalts |
| 22:52.53 | Stalts | :( |
| 22:52.56 | Andols | follows |
| 22:53.05 | mfgmfg | logs onto beta, but realizes no realms are up |
| 22:53.54 | Stalts | cries a little inside. |
| 23:03.42 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/FnwcGNc.png grammar mistake or pun? |
| 23:04.16 | jleclanche | too obvious to be a typo, too atrocious to be a pun |
| 23:12.08 | mfgmfg | ccox, chat click still broken |
| 23:12.18 | ccox | darn |
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| 23:26.44 | Guill | mfgmfg: What do you mean "chat click still broken"? Do you mean hyperlinks not working? |
| 23:28.49 | VIad | they can sometimes not be responsive, but scrolling seems to fix the hyperlinks |
| 23:30.31 | mfgmfg | Guill, clicking names in trade chat doesn't bring up whisper/context menu, itemlinks don't pop up info when clicked |
| 23:31.01 | Guill | That should be fixed in a coming hotfix. Not active on live (only on Beta/PTR), right? |
| 23:31.22 | mfgmfg | live is working fine |
| 23:31.37 | VIad | live is acting up as described actually :p weird |
| 23:32.00 | VIad | was like this on beta for me and all I did was hookscript onhyperlinkenter and setting the gametooltip |
| 23:32.16 | Alram | biggest problem ive had on live is trying to find an explanation for something called lions rest on an rp server |
| 23:32.27 | Alram | so far 7.0 is okay |
| 23:32.28 | Alram | :D |
| 23:39.37 | Guill | VIad: That's not really supported right now. Which button associated with which link changes around sort of frequently. |
| 23:40.07 | VIad | hmm. interesting. |
| 23:41.05 | Guill | Oh wait, I misread. If you're hooking OnHyperlinkEnter, that should work. Hooking OnEnter of the hyperlink button itself would not. |
| 23:41.50 | VIad | it works most of the time, rarely it doesnt, then I scroll up/down and itsfixed |
| 23:42.14 | VIad | it just seemed similar to the other issue reported |
| 23:42.16 | Guill | Well, all the hyperlink stuff is being rewritten in a coming patch, so it will hopefully all work there :) |
| 23:43.04 | foxlit | I really like the hearthstone karazhan trailer. |
| 23:44.39 | VIad | any saucy details for us? |
| 23:44.50 | VIad | like GameTooltip widget rewriting or? |
| 23:47.36 | Guill | VIad: More info once we're more sure about exactly what we're doing :) |
| 23:47.44 | VIad | cool |
| 23:48.04 | Guill | The goal is that you don't have to make a ScrollingMessageFrame or HTMLFrame (or anything weird like that) to support hyperlinks in font strings |
| 23:56.14 | mfgmfg | new mount lean changes are in |
| 23:56.25 | mfgmfg | zero lean when rotating in place |
| 23:58.12 | mfgmfg | when moving foward, turning keeps you staring at the mount's butt. lean is much more subdued |
