| 00:14.57 | Aftermathh | hey |
| 00:44.28 | Jamash | why does blizzard hate me so much |
| 00:44.44 | Jamash | and why are druid spells so hard to pin down |
| 00:47.01 | Mr_Rabies | druids are squirrelly |
| 00:47.09 | Ssateneth | transmogshop = best appearance shopping addon ever. |
| 00:47.17 | Ssateneth | the guy that made it is gonna be rich |
| 00:47.49 | Ssateneth | click 3 buttons, and it shows all equipment you can learn appearance of on that character (though it doesnt account for level restrictions yet) |
| 00:48.15 | Stanzilla | link |
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| 01:00.51 | Jamash | why can't my addon find Thrash |
| 01:02.21 | foxlit | Put it out of its misery? |
| 01:07.33 | Aftermathh | Do anyone mind helping me? I have a little problem with strata, i've tried with SetFrameStrata + SetFrameLevel but without results, anyone that know how to fix this? =) http://imgur.com/a/KbJJp - http://hastebin.com/ipajuvuhon.lua |
| 01:07.44 | Ssateneth | Stanzilla you needed transmogshop? |
| 01:07.52 | Ssateneth | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/transmogshop |
| 01:08.30 | Ssateneth | missing a few features (price range, and filter out gear outside of your current level) but its amazing otherwise |
| 01:11.47 | Mischanix | Aftermathh: I haven't messed with this kind of stuff but i'd guess you have to change your frame's parent to the frame it should be drawn above |
| 01:15.45 | VIad | it seems that if you run a higher resolution, like 2k widescreen or more, you get more FOV more similar or even greater than the old max camera distance |
| 01:16.16 | VIad | old max 1920x1080 and the new max with a 3440x1440 are comparable |
| 01:16.30 | VIad | arguing getting more vision if you can pay for it :p |
| 01:17.29 | VIad | http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17612331418 |
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| 01:31.27 | Xuerian | I don't see why they'd change anything |
| 01:32.00 | Xuerian | not even mad or anything, just confused as to why it's suddenly an issue |
| 01:35.34 | Semlar | Aftermathh: you should explain what the problem is, i have no idea what you're asking from the screen shot |
| 01:36.49 | foxlit | some squares a darksher shade of gray than other squares. |
| 01:37.11 | Aftermathh | Semlar: as you see some boxes are black but they should be all grey. |
| 01:42.54 | foxlit | but looking at that code is basically provoking this reaction: http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/leaving-now-grandpa-simpsons.gif |
| 01:46.54 | Aftermathh | Foxlit: lol |
| 01:50.57 | Aftermathh | foxlit: whats wrong with my code haha. |
| 01:54.00 | foxlit | it's too long, too incomplete, and too inconsistent in its indentation. |
| 01:55.06 | Aftermathh | How so? |
| 01:55.25 | Aftermathh | How can it be incomplete when its working as intended? |
| 01:55.33 | foxlit | I can't run it. |
| 01:56.06 | foxlit | because it contains references to the rest of your addon, which I'm obviously not running. |
| 01:56.28 | Aftermathh | You can bypass it |
| 01:56.58 | Aftermathh | I will fix it |
| 01:57.12 | Torhal | The indentation is pretty bad. |
| 01:57.16 | Ketho | no comments in your code :( |
| 01:57.24 | foxlit | -- code requires no comments. |
| 01:57.28 | Xuerian | Dpm |
| 01:57.30 | Xuerian | hm |
| 01:57.35 | Torhal | Looks like everything is tabbed twice, except for "local PerfectScale" and its whole block - that's indented once. |
| 01:57.37 | Xuerian | No that's about the most useful thing I have to contribute |
| 01:58.08 | Aftermathh | http://hastebin.com/tobucovaso.lua |
| 01:58.43 | Stanzilla | that indenting is even more beautiful :D |
| 01:59.15 | Stanzilla | guys we are being very helpful |
| 02:00.25 | Simca | hey it's better than msvc 1 indenting |
| 02:00.39 | Simca | i want to hurt myself every day i work on that code |
| 02:01.01 | Aftermathh | Well sorry for being a noob here >.< |
| 02:01.27 | foxlit | Aftermathh: that paste works for me. |
| 02:03.00 | Seerah | some of hte bag slots have the bag slot background and others don't (or at least don't look like it) |
| 02:03.25 | Seerah | Aftermathh: which of the two do you want? |
| 02:03.43 | Aftermathh | The light grey one |
| 02:03.57 | Seerah | the empty slot texture? |
| 02:04.11 | Seerah | because it's not just light gray - it's an actual texture with a picture in it |
| 02:06.51 | Seerah | In fact, I'm not 100% sure that texture exists by itself. It's already a built in part of the default UI's bag textures |
| 02:06.58 | Aftermathh | http://imgur.com/a/xQZYf |
| 02:07.29 | Aftermathh | Indeed it is |
| 02:08.21 | Seerah | is that black box the button.glow object? |
| 02:09.13 | Aftermathh | No, its the GlowShadow |
| 02:09.58 | Seerah | I actually don't see any of those getting an actual background texture or color though |
| 02:11.07 | Seerah | Why are you using the white 8x8 texture for your border instead of a custom texture? |
| 02:13.36 | Aftermathh | Because if i use my own custom texture the client freezes for like 5sec when i open my bags :< |
| 02:13.53 | Seerah | stupid loading textures from disk |
| 02:14.12 | Seerah | okay, so when do your buttons turn black? |
| 02:14.18 | Seerah | err... slots |
| 02:14.22 | Torhal | Yeah, that's the most WAT change I've seen. |
| 02:14.36 | Torhal | Actually killed most of my gumption for updating. |
| 02:15.05 | Aftermathh | It does it randomly, sometimes they appear sometimes they dont |
| 02:17.31 | Seerah | What happens if you change the shadow to a color other than black? |
| 02:20.48 | Aftermathh | Same appearntly |
| 02:20.50 | Aftermathh | http://imgur.com/a/tRGSP |
| 02:21.15 | Simca | so it's not your code doing it at all |
| 02:21.24 | Seerah | at least not that code |
| 02:21.44 | Simca | i wonder if it is the blizzard stuff that 'locks down' in-use bag slots |
| 02:21.50 | Seerah | is that a custom frame or a reskinned backpack? |
| 02:22.27 | Seerah | and... what do you get when you use /fstack ? |
| 02:22.56 | Aftermathh | It's all reskinned |
| 02:23.30 | Aftermathh | But i might have a little theory here |
| 02:24.13 | Aftermathh | I'm thinking it's some backdrop of those, since i haven't set any backdropcolor, its only backdropbordercolor |
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| 02:52.03 | Arrowmaster | this is a weird game..... i have no idea what im doing or supposed to be doing, but now im running around as a cat |
| 02:52.25 | Arrowmaster | it was an option to do it, but i dont know why |
| 02:52.50 | Thunder_Child | Sounds like Giant's Drink. |
| 02:53.25 | Thunder_Child | I think that's what it was called anyway. |
| 02:53.40 | Arrowmaster | ender? |
| 02:53.44 | Thunder_Child | Yea. |
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| 02:54.04 | Arrowmaster | im playing monster hunter generations, ive never played monster hunter before |
| 02:54.06 | Aftermathh | So that didn't give any result either |
| 02:54.08 | Arrowmaster | i have no idea what im doing |
| 02:54.57 | Arrowmaster | ok now im talking to a cat with a big hat and a sword named d'Artanyan...... |
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| 03:22.56 | Stalts | hello. |
| 03:23.42 | Cairenn | hi |
| 03:24.31 | Stalts | I'm fairly new to addon developing and would like some help, if you're willing and it's not too abusive. |
| 03:24.51 | kd3 | we're usually pretty good about not biting |
| 03:25.47 | Stalts | as long as I don't have to worry about rabies, it's all good. |
| 03:26.52 | Stalts | I'm trying to find a function to add the default spell flash to a given spell, I'm not having any luck. |
| 03:27.31 | kd3 | like on an action bar? |
| 03:28.12 | Stalts | exactly. basically if some criteria are met the spell should flash like the default UI. |
| 03:28.49 | Stalts | I have the rest set up, the flash part is the piece I'm not solving on my own. |
| 03:29.16 | kd3 | to start, I'd suggest at looking at how the default ui and other action bar addons do it. there's no harm in looking at other code |
| 03:29.34 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 03:29.34 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 03:30.26 | kd3 | look at the ActionBar files - https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta |
| 03:30.36 | kd3 | that's how blizzard implemented the default action bars |
| 03:31.05 | Stalts | yay, that already helps a lot, bookmarked. |
| 03:31.44 | Stalts | any idea how they formally call the flashing? |
| 03:32.21 | kd3 | ctrl+f 'flash' in ActionButton.lua should point you to it |
| 03:36.48 | Stalts | ooh, I found a ActionButton_StartFlash function. gonna read the code for a few days. thanks for the help! |
| 03:37.18 | kd3 | glad to |
| 03:38.57 | Fisker | awakens and hugs Cairenn |
| 03:39.03 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 04:19.12 | kd3 | ouch trying to speedrun and this happens... :( https://twitter.com/thisIsJoka/status/758516443554181120 |
| 04:19.39 | Stalts | what are you speedrunning? |
| 04:20.06 | kd3 | not me, but megaman 7 |
| 04:20.10 | kd3 | twitch.tv/esamarathon |
| 04:20.57 | Stalts | ooh, how nice, I didn't know there was a marathon going on. goodbye sleep! |
| 04:23.15 | Mr_Rabies | <Stalts> as long as I don't have to worry about rabies, it's all good. |
| 04:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | fite me bro |
| 04:24.26 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:24.41 | Stalts | watch it, bro, I got a vaccine and I'm not afraid to use it. |
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| 04:25.33 | Mr_Rabies | flees |
| 04:26.13 | Stalts | smiles, heroically. |
| 04:28.03 | Ammako | lol |
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| 04:35.23 | PsyTech | Gonna guess the answer is no, but are there any events/APIs to figure out when you're being phased/realm switched/etc and figure out where you are? |
| 04:37.10 | kd3 | to my knowledge the only indication is the bubble that appears on the party frames that shows out-of-phase party members |
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| 04:43.00 | Mr_Rabies | anything that slaps the tomes to the talent ui? |
| 04:48.31 | Stalts | that is a question I'd like the answer too. would you have to overwrite the default UI for that or is there another way? |
| 04:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not really well versed in things, i mostly hang out here to pester addon authors while contributing nothing of my own, but as i understand it you could create a frame that used the tome, kept count of them, and anchor to the talent frame, though the talent frame used to love getting tainted from the tiniest things, no clue if it still does |
| 05:02.58 | Ammako | like adding a tome icon and counter back to the bottom-left corner and making it use one when clicked, sounds like a good idea |
| 05:03.09 | Ammako | small QoL things |
| 05:09.43 | Stalts | I'm feeling stupid. I used https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/ActionButton.lua#29and (GetActionButtonForID(id)) and now I'm trying to use ActionButton_IsFlashing(self), but it's failling me and I don't know why. |
| 05:11.05 | Torhal | Failing you in what way? |
| 05:12.21 | Stalts | well, I'm probably doing it the stupid way, I'm making the changes to the file and saving it, then running it on the game and it stops working after I call that function. |
| 05:12.36 | Stalts | haven't really tried an ide for wow addon dev. |
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| 05:17.03 | Torhal | Stalts: Are you using BugGrabber, so you see Lua errors? |
| 05:17.23 | Stalts | no, but I'll start using it right away. |
| 05:21.32 | Torhal | Stalts: Actually, grab BugSack - it includes (and acts as a display for) BugGrabber. |
| 05:26.01 | fewyn | cha ching |
| 05:26.07 | fewyn | i just bought a fragment of desire |
| 05:26.09 | fewyn | battle pet |
| 05:26.11 | fewyn | for 10g |
| 05:26.20 | fewyn | someone ducked up |
| 05:26.35 | fewyn | (region market value is 2374g) |
| 05:26.40 | Stalts | nice |
| 05:27.01 | fewyn | i had to stop my shopping scan to snipe it |
| 05:29.05 | Stalts | dcing so much it's not fun anymore. |
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| 05:37.46 | Ammako | profits++ |
| 05:39.07 | kd3 | this past week has been fun. I've made nearly 100k just selling greens I don't need to learn |
| 05:42.40 | Stalts | I'm about to give up. my rationale: cycle through the buffs, for each buff check if it's on a list of buffs I want to track, if yes then make the spell associated with it flash. seemed pretty easy to do. |
| 05:43.05 | Stalts | I had much more in mind, but even that, which sounds quite simple, is giving me a headache. |
| 05:43.32 | nevcairiel | has anyone noticed the LFD queue tooltip not obeying its assigned frame strata properly? its supposed to be TOOLTIP strata but for some reason it draws below frames of medium strata |
| 05:43.58 | slink | Stalts: don't know if this applies, but you could track events instead and compare against a list when it it's declicked, but that doesn't solve initially tracking it |
| 05:44.32 | mfgmfg | kd3, how much did you lose to deposit fees? |
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| 05:47.19 | Stalts | @slink what I did was register the event of unit_aura, and when it happens I run the logic, removing any flashing previously present and adding the flash to the spells that I want to flash. |
| 05:48.26 | Stalts | however, I can't simply say "healing touch, start flashing", and here is where I failed. |
| 05:50.24 | Stalts | I thought I could do that before I started, that's why I "designed the logic" this way. |
| 05:54.26 | Ammako | ive noticed that nev |
| 05:58.38 | slink | anyone else have problems with changing graphics settings? i change one thing while at graphics setting 5, come back, change another, then it puts it all the way at 10 (Ultra). so if i want to change anything, i have to click the bar first before (changing it back to 5) before customizing it |
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| 06:35.56 | Semlar | maybe the thing you're changing puts your settings into the "ultra" category |
| 06:39.27 | slink | it changes the other settings as well to maxed out settings, e.g. shadow was Good before, it'll be Ultra or whatever the highest setting is even though it wasn't touched |
| 06:39.32 | slink | it's not a big deal, was just curious =) |
| 06:51.46 | Semlar | what are you changing |
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| 08:14.10 | AcidWeb | nevcairiel: Strata and frame levels behave... strange in 7.x. |
| 08:14.30 | nevcairiel | i changed the tooltips parent to UIParent and it works as one would expect |
| 08:14.37 | mikma | so, i have this string: '!figlet lol' or '!uptime' - i need to match the word after ! and at the end of that word (stop being space or the fact that arg1 does not exist) |
| 08:14.47 | nevcairiel | somehow being parented to the minimap button -> miniback backdrop -> minimap cluster breaks it |
| 08:15.32 | mikma | anyone has a simple string match for that? |
| 08:34.19 | Semlar | !(%S*) |
| 08:34.28 | mikma | string.match(text,"!(%S+)") <- was just about to paste this |
| 08:34.46 | Semlar | not sure whether you wanted to match nothing |
| 08:35.43 | mikma | well basicly i'm matching if the word after ! is matching a word in my allowed commands -list |
| 08:35.49 | Semlar | that will also match literally anything that isn't whitespace, so if you want to restrict it to letters or something you might want to change it |
| 08:37.03 | Miiru | nice they restricted parking in our street for like 5 hours when the work they did took 20 minutes |
| 08:37.08 | mikma | there's a check for that later in the code. if the command doesn't match the one in the list i'm just printing "Wrong command" |
| 08:41.28 | Miiru | yesterday they evacuated a big shopping mall here, claiming there is a very dangerous suspect there and now they do not even know if they got the right person arrested oO |
| 08:41.38 | Miiru | seems legit :s |
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| 09:29.48 | Simca | <nevcairiel> i changed the tooltips parent to UIParent and it works as one would expect |
| 09:29.56 | Simca | blizzard actually made that exact change too, last night |
| 09:30.27 | Simca | on beta |
| 09:30.42 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: you're going to love this. Mage class hall. Same "no event" problem. And it's not a microdungeon... :P |
| 09:31.12 | Simca | nevcairiel: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/QueueStatusFrame.xml/diff great minds, haha |
| 09:37.10 | sb | woah - SAP is just fucking plain stupid... |
| 09:37.39 | sb | select * from whatever table where key = variable. if variable isn't defined it just selects everything from that table :D |
| 09:42.24 | VIad | sb: that sounds like bad implementation of query handling |
| 09:46.11 | Aftermathh | hey guys |
| 09:49.17 | Aftermathh | Does anyone know how to do a onebag |
| 09:51.29 | Xuerian | how to do a onebag? |
| 09:52.55 | Aftermathh | yeah, i wanna make me bank and bags into one bag |
| 09:53.11 | Xuerian | Well.. there's a bunch of single bag addons already, so there's that |
| 09:53.33 | sb | VIad: yup... its even worse :D "select * from whatever table where id = 1 and key = variable" selects everything if variable isnt defined (yes, even entries with id = 123) |
| 09:54.07 | VIad | is it like a home implementation for query language? |
| 09:54.28 | VIad | or, the language isnt the issue, synax looks fine, but handled like crap |
| 09:54.41 | sb | its SAP / ABAP - its everything "home" / handled like crap :D |
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| 09:57.04 | Aftermathh | Xuerian: I just have no idea where to start :< |
| 09:57.07 | bluipodcow | Hero |
| 09:57.14 | Xuerian | then download one and read the code |
| 09:57.14 | bluipodcow | Herro |
| 09:57.17 | VIad | sadly SAP makes a lot of money and have no imitiate rush to upgrade or change their API :p |
| 09:57.34 | bluipodcow | ~fisker Fisker |
| 09:57.42 | Fisker | no bluipodcow |
| 09:57.53 | bluipodcow | No purl tonight ? |
| 09:58.33 | bluipodcow | ~FRAMEXML |
| 09:58.34 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 10:00.21 | VIad | huge phasing issues with zeppelins here |
| 10:00.26 | VIad | cant get to northrend to level at 68 .p |
| 10:00.34 | VIad | all zeppelins are invisible basically |
| 10:05.53 | Xuerian | Yeah, having that issue on my server too |
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| 10:18.33 | VIad | seems like some people dont see the problem, others do |
| 10:18.40 | VIad | annoying for levelers :p |
| 10:25.29 | nevcairiel | Simca: there was a beta build and noone told me? |
| 10:27.46 | nevcairiel | and yay the click binding i ssue is fixed in it |
| 10:28.45 | Simca | there are lots of builds, basically every day |
| 10:28.54 | nevcairiel | not for a while now |
| 10:28.59 | Simca | 2 yesterday |
| 10:29.00 | nevcairiel | live has been on 93 for a while and beta on 90 |
| 10:35.42 | nevcairiel | so were these boring beta builds and thats why noone posted about them, that just happened to haev a tiny lua change in them? |
| 11:10.43 | VIad | oh boy. died at the lake up in the undea starting zone |
| 11:10.50 | VIad | as alliance - no GY in the vicinity |
| 11:10.58 | VIad | can't ress at spirit, can't fly up because my ghost can't fly :p |
| 11:11.14 | VIad | because some genious decided you can get on foot to everywhere in the old zones |
| 11:11.38 | VIad | this is why that designer needs a vasectomy |
| 11:11.59 | VIad | now you figure out how to revive yourself :p |
| 11:14.00 | VIad | had to run to scarlet dungeon and talk to spirit healer there |
| 11:14.10 | VIad | spirit healers should be visible if you get put in the GY |
| 11:19.52 | Semlar | this is your life now |
| 11:20.51 | nevcairiel | a ghost, forever caught in tirisfal |
| 11:21.01 | nevcairiel | gotta create mobs fro the undead somehow |
| 11:21.24 | VIad | :D |
| 11:21.33 | VIad | wish I could inhabit a bear and make it kill lowbies |
| 11:21.42 | VIad | possess* |
| 11:23.38 | Miiru | discziplin priest doing 0.3k dps didnt get his job i guess :D |
| 11:25.14 | Miiru | VIad, i died in beta at the top of that hill in the vrykul area, and there was no way getting there, plus no spirit healer, so i had to run to some water and die while already being dead by fatigue and then do the corspserun again to get my body back :D |
| 11:25.25 | VIad | xD |
| 11:25.43 | VIad | worked also to use a spirit healer that exists, it just Tps to the GY you were originally spawned at |
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| 11:36.04 | Miiru | This one time during burning crusade when I was like level 15 or so I did a corpserun from redridge to the blood elf starting zone because I wanted to see how it looks :D |
| 11:43.11 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: since map changes "missing" an event are not isolated to microdungeons, and juggling the map back and forth might not be a great idea anyway, perhaps the solution would be to have a running 1-second timer checking if currentPlayerLevel==GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel(), and if yes, then UpdateCurrentPosition()..? |
| 11:43.38 | nevcairiel | that relies on the world map and doesnt work |
| 11:44.24 | nevcairiel | without calling SetMapToCurrentZone those functions dont update |
| 11:49.30 | mfgmfg | do any addons exist yet that would protect against accidental use of artifact power on the wrong weapon? |
| 11:49.33 | VIad | UIParent:HookScript("OnUpdate",SetMapToCurrentZone) |
| 11:50.01 | Xuerian | problem solved |
| 11:50.29 | VIad | wtb C_Map and C_ChatBubbles for better map and chat bubble management :p |
| 11:50.52 | AcidWeb | Request denied. |
| 11:51.07 | AcidWeb | Map system is tear powered. Making it better would stop the engine. |
| 11:52.14 | Andols | I'm trying to determine when my character gets on a Flightpath. I can get it to work if i put "C_Timer.After(0.01,function ()print(UnitOnTaxi("player"))end)" after PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST, the timer is there because UnitOnTaxi is false when the event is called. Is there any better way to do this? |
| 11:53.26 | Simca | VIad: that would prevent any player from moving the map, sounds like a horrible idea |
| 11:54.01 | Simca | I think we should bring this up with TheDanW later because this doesn't sound intended |
| 12:02.36 | VIad | Simca: was meant as a joke :p |
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| 12:20.10 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:24.40 | mfgmfg | https://www.universe.com/ karl_w_w |
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| 12:34.50 | pompy | http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx launch in 3 mins |
| 12:36.14 | Semlar | launch from where |
| 12:36.39 | Semlar | doesn't look like cape canaveral |
| 12:39.05 | pompy | it is |
| 12:39.16 | Semlar | hmm |
| 12:40.16 | pompy | 45th Space Wing at Patrick Air Force Base, Fla. |
| 12:43.37 | mfgmfg | dang it |
| 12:43.41 | mfgmfg | just missed ignition |
| 12:43.56 | mfgmfg | or am i way late |
| 12:44.20 | Semlar | about 5 minutes late |
| 12:44.21 | mfgmfg | now i'm just seeing a splash graphic |
| 12:45.05 | Semlar | this one doesn't make a boom |
| 12:47.26 | Semlar | stealth rocket |
| 12:47.36 | pompy | mfgmfg: https://youtu.be/7EPwWlseDNM?t=39m4s there you go |
| 12:49.31 | Semlar | i'm only about 50 miles inland from the cape |
| 12:52.17 | Semlar | i don't recognize the launch site they used though |
| 12:52.44 | mfgmfg | danke, pompy |
| 12:53.44 | mfgmfg | ooh, next ULA launch is the NASA asteroid sampling and return mission |
| 12:54.23 | mfgmfg | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS-REx |
| 12:54.44 | mfgmfg | next ULA atlas V mission that is |
| 13:03.15 | pompy | Semlar: "Date/Site/Launch Time:Thursday, July 28, 2016, from Space Launch Complex (SLC)-41 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida." |
| 13:07.07 | Semlar | i don't know why but it looked like california |
| 13:07.36 | Semlar | probably all the dead grass, the hills and the coastline |
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| 13:15.35 | pompy | another view of the launch https://www.facebook.com/45thSpaceWing/videos/10157029770660012/ |
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| 13:39.13 | Macrologia | Hello |
| 13:39.24 | Macrologia | I had a question about boss-level mobs, is anyone able to help me out? |
| 13:39.26 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: you have a very odd mental image of California |
| 13:39.29 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 13:39.34 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 13:39.41 | Macrologia | Right |
| 13:39.53 | Semlar | i used to live in california and that's what i remember |
| 13:40.05 | Thunder_Child | What, 20 years ago? |
| 13:40.10 | Semlar | maybe |
| 13:40.13 | Macrologia | So here's the background information: my friend and I are making tanking weakauras. One of the things it does is show your total % reduction, physical and magical separately, against your target. That obviously includes armour. |
| 13:40.37 | Macrologia | We have the k-values for everything from 1 to 113 |
| 13:41.00 | Macrologia | However the function /dump UnitLevel("target") returns -1 on boss-level mobs, and on hostile units that are 10+ levels higher than you |
| 13:41.25 | kullervo | make a spruces case for it |
| 13:41.36 | kullervo | lol wtf. special case. |
| 13:41.45 | Macrologia | The trouble is |
| 13:41.50 | karl_w_w | make an evergreens case for it |
| 13:41.51 | Macrologia | E.g. Marrowgar returns -1 when you're level 100 |
| 13:42.18 | Macrologia | But presumably he does not count as level 103? For one thing, you get the damage boost from the stat squish against him |
| 13:42.19 | kullervo | because he still has boss level armor ignores |
| 13:42.33 | Macrologia | How does it work the other way around |
| 13:42.36 | Macrologia | ?* |
| 13:42.42 | kullervo | you get dmg boost because of the content and dmg boost level flag |
| 13:42.56 | Macrologia | For example if I were a level 80 and I fought a level 103 boss, presumably I would miss all my attacks |
| 13:42.56 | kullervo | the boss is still +3 to your own level |
| 13:43.14 | kullervo | Well yeah |
| 13:43.16 | Macrologia | And I'd have effectively 0 armour |
| 13:43.20 | Macrologia | Yet it still returns -1 |
| 13:43.26 | Macrologia | So how does that work? |
| 13:43.50 | kullervo | â(´ã¼ï½)â |
| 13:44.19 | Macrologia | So there are four cases: |
| 13:44.32 | Macrologia | Five, rather |
| 13:44.33 | Macrologia | wait |
| 13:44.56 | Macrologia | Bosses appropriate to your level; bosses that are 10+ levels higher than you; non-bosses that are 10+ levels higher than you; and bosses that are lower level than you |
| 13:44.57 | Macrologia | four |
| 13:45.05 | Macrologia | I need a way to differentiate between them |
| 13:45.17 | Macrologia | We can check mob type using classification = UnitClassification("unit") |
| 13:45.30 | karl_w_w | skull bosses are 3 levels higher than whatever level you are |
| 13:45.31 | Macrologia | Which allows us to differentiate "non-bosses that are 10+ levels higher than you" from the rest |
| 13:45.36 | karl_w_w | for the purposes of miss and so on |
| 13:45.43 | Macrologia | I don't think that is true |
| 13:45.51 | Semlar | find out |
| 13:45.55 | Macrologia | A level 70 attacking a level 83 boss will miss all the time |
| 13:46.07 | mfgmfg | how do i get the ID of a NPC i'm interacting with? (gossip) |
| 13:46.11 | karl_w_w | a level 70 will rarely come across a level 80 skull |
| 13:46.25 | Macrologia | that's not really the point |
| 13:46.41 | Semlar | do you actually know that they'll miss or are you assuming |
| 13:46.48 | kullervo | why not declare those cases out of scope |
| 13:46.50 | Macrologia | I believe it is the case that they will miss |
| 13:47.03 | Semlar | based on what |
| 13:47.12 | Semlar | because i honestly don't know |
| 13:47.15 | Macrologia | Vague memories of similar experiences, and wowwiki articles |
| 13:47.18 | Macrologia | And common sense |
| 13:47.25 | karl_w_w | a skull type boss is not the same as a boss that appears as a skull |
| 13:47.29 | kullervo | go test it on training dummies |
| 13:47.31 | Macrologia | I know that |
| 13:47.34 | Macrologia | Okay |
| 13:47.42 | Macrologia | What skull type training dummies are there? |
| 13:47.53 | Semlar | there are boss dummies next to the rest |
| 13:47.58 | Macrologia | There's one in stormshield right? |
| 13:48.01 | Semlar | and i'm pretty sure my level 2 bank alt can't hit them |
| 13:48.21 | Macrologia | so Raider's Training Dummy is a skull type |
| 13:48.21 | kullervo | your lvl 2 bank alt can't hit a lvl 5 snake |
| 13:48.33 | Semlar | it could too |
| 13:48.36 | Macrologia | lol |
| 13:48.51 | Semlar | if it didn't move around too much |
| 13:48.52 | karl_w_w | there are level 5 snakes? scary |
| 13:49.56 | Semlar | this would imply bosses have a unit level that we can't get |
| 13:50.05 | Macrologia | well that's my question |
| 13:50.20 | Macrologia | it's not accessible via the command i mentioned earlier; is there another way of getting it? |
| 13:50.45 | Semlar | no |
| 13:51.11 | Semlar | you can make some assumptions based on other factors but nothing reliable |
| 13:51.18 | Macrologia | sure but i want to code it into a WA :P |
| 13:51.37 | kullervo | why not declare it out of scope |
| 13:51.43 | Macrologia | yeah i am missing on the raider's training dummy |
| 13:51.54 | Macrologia | you mean leave it imperfect? :< |
| 13:52.04 | Thunder_Child | Since bosses are fairly static you could have an internal db of them. |
| 13:52.24 | Macrologia | I dunno |
| 13:52.37 | kullervo | when's anyone going to run into those issues when doing content where it would matter |
| 13:52.37 | Semlar | you could pull many of them from the dungeon journal |
| 13:52.38 | Macrologia | that'd be a really big database wouldn't it? |
| 13:52.52 | Semlar | and i'm also wondering how much this really matters |
| 13:52.59 | Macrologia | well for example, when questing in legion, if you run into a world boss |
| 13:53.05 | Macrologia | i don't want the weakaura to be like |
| 13:53.09 | Macrologia | "yeah np 60% damage reduction" |
| 13:53.22 | Semlar | in legion you could identify world bosses, old content is the only place that would be iffy |
| 13:53.36 | Macrologia | by having a database you mean? |
| 13:53.47 | Semlar | no, they would be in the encounter journal |
| 13:53.50 | Macrologia | oh |
| 13:53.59 | Macrologia | Hmm |
| 13:54.05 | Semlar | therefor identifiable via npc id |
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| 13:55.49 | Macrologia | Okay |
| 13:55.56 | Macrologia | So it'd be inaccurate for low level bosses but that's fine I guess |
| 13:56.18 | Semlar | lower level units could potentially be identified by their health, but that's a little questionable |
| 13:56.44 | Macrologia | Could do instance checks |
| 13:56.48 | Semlar | possibly inferred by the level of units in the area |
| 13:57.04 | Macrologia | I don't think there's a way to code "if there are level 80 mobs nearby" |
| 13:57.19 | Semlar | you could track them |
| 13:58.01 | Thunder_Child | What about based on if they give xp or not? Although that would only work for much lower level bosses. |
| 13:58.11 | Macrologia | How do you check that? |
| 13:58.14 | Semlar | he needs the information while they're still alive |
| 13:58.18 | Macrologia | yeah |
| 13:58.21 | Thunder_Child | I thought thats in a tooltip |
| 13:58.29 | Semlar | the experience? |
| 13:58.45 | Thunder_Child | Not how much but if it will give you any. |
| 13:58.55 | Thunder_Child | Maybe that's just for non-bosses then? |
| 13:59.01 | Semlar | you know, i have no idea if UnitIsTrivial works on bosses |
| 13:59.34 | Semlar | maybe? |
| 13:59.37 | Macrologia | what is the /command? |
| 13:59.40 | Macrologia | i will check it later |
| 13:59.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.05 | Macrologia | so if it's "true", it means you don't get exp or honour |
| 14:00.09 | Macrologia | which means it's 10 levels or more below you? |
| 14:00.13 | Semlar | yeah |
| 14:00.21 | Macrologia | or, it's 11 levels or more, isn't it |
| 14:00.48 | Macrologia | i think level 90 stuff gives exp/honour at 100 |
| 14:00.49 | Semlar | there's actually a function to query it but i don't remember what it was called or if it's ever not 10 |
| 14:00.50 | Macrologia | not certain |
| 14:01.19 | Macrologia | but the default is "more than 10", rather than "10 or more", right? |
| 14:01.57 | Semlar | more than 10 |
| 14:02.05 | Macrologia | right |
| 14:02.15 | Semlar | as far as i know |
| 14:03.15 | Semlar | i might be thinking of GetQuestGreenRange() |
| 14:03.22 | Macrologia | Mm |
| 14:03.26 | Semlar | but i think it's the same range |
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| 14:54.05 | karl_w_w | seen this VIad? http://www.dota2.com/international/compendiumupdate/ |
| 14:54.15 | karl_w_w | I especially like the faceless void |
| 14:54.19 | VIad | thanks, I didnt |
| 14:55.23 | Semlar | this person in my garrison only has daily quests but their exclamation point is yellow instead of blue |
| 14:55.50 | Thunder_Child | Dota in VR....Not sure I really see the point, even just for watching. |
| 14:56.31 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: I thought the first quest you ever get from a daily quest giver is always yellow. |
| 14:57.10 | Semlar | when they do that the quest is marked as yellow in their dialog |
| 14:57.28 | Semlar | they only have blue exclamation marks next to their quests when you talk to them |
| 15:03.54 | VIad | wish all dailies had blue color on them |
| 15:03.59 | VIad | color codes man |
| 15:04.07 | VIad | and expand the quest track option with a submenu |
| 15:06.24 | karl_w_w | idk Thunder_Child, being able to look at a game of dota like it is a living board game playing itself in front of you sounds pretty cool |
| 15:07.06 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: Sure, but I don't see how it is any more immersive than simply using a monitor. |
| 15:08.03 | Thunder_Child | Too bad it does not work on a hololens. |
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| 15:28.01 | pompy | " A clandestine satellite for the U.S. overhead reconnaissance program was successfully launched an Atlas 5 rocket today, riding a a ferocious torrent of fire and smoke off the pad before disappearing behind a curtain of secrecy." heh |
| 15:31.19 | Thunder_Child | I'm fairly sure it is no longer clandestine if you know that it went up in the first place. |
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| 15:32.08 | nevcairiel | you dont know what it does |
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| 15:35.18 | Thunder_Child | That bit is subjective. Simply knowing about something can be enough to negate it. |
| 15:35.53 | karl_w_w | but not always |
| 15:35.59 | karl_w_w | for example, I know about Fisker |
| 15:37.01 | Thunder_Child | There ware ways to negate him with that knowledge. |
| 15:37.21 | Thunder_Child | Of course there are things it doesn't help with. Like: |
| 15:37.24 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate fisker |
| 15:37.25 | purl | OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM |
| 15:37.41 | Semlar | lewd |
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| 15:43.45 | karl_w_w | so I was pretty skeptical at first, but azumanga daioh is actually really funny |
| 15:46.25 | Gnarfoz | is there any tooling for the "someone just won an item that they already have, thus making it tradeable" situation for personal loot? will we have to keep a running inventory of people's equipped gear? (not to mention owned gear, which is basically impossible) |
| 15:47.54 | nevcairiel | maybe you should stick to ML if you want to micro-manage that |
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| 15:51.00 | Gnarfoz | no thanks, that's a lot worse |
| 15:51.02 | nevcairiel | PL is meant to take away the loot micro-management. Of course the player himself sees if an item is tradeable, the tooltip says so, but other players probably cant, because it would defeat one of the points they wanted to make with PL, avoiding pressure from other players to have the gear traded |
| 15:51.04 | Gnarfoz | (and less loot) |
| 15:51.45 | nevcairiel | i dont know, i find fuzzing about what a player has and doesnt have and just using PL for more loot worse =p |
| 15:52.33 | Gnarfoz | true, but we wouldn't have ML'd anyway, we'd have rolled - which has the drawbacks of both, basically. :D |
| 16:04.41 | fewyn | only socialists use personal loot |
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| 16:17.05 | Ketho | rolls 100 [100-100] |
| 16:17.23 | VIad | rolls 101 [1-100] |
| 16:18.19 | Thunder_Child | In VIad's case it was [1+100] |
| 16:28.50 | Simca | i'm still surprised nobody has done a statistical analysis of the two |
| 16:29.05 | Gnarfoz | more like I+100, that's just how he rolls (heh) |
| 16:29.35 | Simca | and is just relying on blizzard's word that it drops "more". how much more? how does group size affect it? is there a breakpoint in gearing when most of the drops become useless where one system overtakes the other? |
| 16:29.56 | Simca | these are questions that need proper science to answer and nobody seems to be bothering, which is really weird |
| 16:34.24 | Thunder_Child | Does Blizz have a reason to lie? |
| 16:34.41 | VIad | blizzard have lied in the past |
| 16:34.54 | VIad | or said wrong things and never corrected themselves in hindsight :p |
| 16:34.55 | Gnarfoz | Simca: problem: lack of reliable data |
| 16:35.15 | Gnarfoz | (you would seem to be in a good position to do this) |
| 16:35.46 | Gnarfoz | since Wowhead is averse to the idea of "staff", they probably won't ^^ |
| 16:36.27 | Simca | yeah i wonder how i'd have to go about it |
| 16:37.47 | nevcairiel | Getting appropriate sample sizes is just hard simca |
| 16:38.09 | nevcairiel | And controlled data |
| 16:38.14 | VIad | blizzard have that info |
| 16:38.23 | VIad | wonder if they keep some stats info on drops |
| 16:38.31 | nevcairiel | They wouldn't tell you :p |
| 16:38.46 | VIad | the old armory at least had some % drop listings, unsure about the new one |
| 16:38.56 | nevcairiel | Loot is one last area where they generally don't comment an details |
| 16:39.15 | Simca | there is value in third-party statistics. in league of explorers, blizzard said they applied an occurrence bonus to all the cards for arena |
| 16:39.24 | Simca | except they got it wrong and missed 3 or 4 different cards |
| 16:39.32 | VIad | hs tracker has insane amount of stats |
| 16:39.33 | Simca | heartharena had enough statistics to prove it and get them to fix it |
| 16:39.47 | VIad | where the serious gamers can draw conclusions |
| 16:40.08 | VIad | like fiery waraxe in hand auto +10% win chance |
| 16:40.13 | VIad | or how ever that was again :p |
| 16:40.25 | VIad | (when you get it from start of the game that is) |
| 16:41.26 | Simca | if you don't get an epic from the boss, is the boss still -always- lootable? |
| 16:41.31 | Simca | that is the main problem, I think. |
| 16:42.07 | Simca | on master loot, you would have the entire raid crowding the body and seeing the loot. but if on personal, you could just glance at it and see it not sparkle and move on |
| 16:42.19 | Simca | well there isn't anything we could collect of value from that comparison |
| 16:42.47 | Simca | i -think- the gold split thing makes it always have gold on it |
| 16:42.53 | Simca | that you have to loot |
| 16:42.54 | Simca | but idk |
| 16:43.46 | Gnarfoz | I've not had to loot raid bosses for gold in forever |
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| 16:45.01 | Simca | if that's the case then there's really no hope |
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| 16:45.17 | Simca | wait, boxes |
| 16:45.35 | Simca | when raid loot is in a box, doesn't it always shine and have gold? |
| 16:45.39 | Simca | individually |
| 16:45.58 | Gnarfoz | I don't think so, no |
| 16:46.08 | Simca | bleh |
| 16:46.34 | Gnarfoz | but... that might be a UI issue, maybe behind the scenes it's actually auto-looting the gold or something |
| 16:46.45 | nevcairiel | Boxes work just like the boss himself, except that only one person can peek in |
| 16:46.51 | Simca | the problem lies in gold distribution being done through an event that tells you nothing except you got gold |
| 16:47.07 | Simca | if it told you the GUIDs that the gold was from, that would solve it |
| 16:49.00 | Gnarfoz | apropos stats: http://www.worldofwargraphs.com/global-stats/mounts |
| 16:49.45 | karl_w_w | there's an ad on TV where some pundit says "I think sports is mankind's greatest achievement" |
| 16:50.02 | karl_w_w | you don't get a much more Australian thing to say than that |
| 16:54.19 | [TOM_RUS] | http://imgur.com/a/kpvOx nice minimap, clearly working as intended |
| 16:56.14 | Semlar | most likely an addon has changed your minimap blip texture |
| 16:57.07 | [TOM_RUS] | very unlikely |
| 16:57.16 | [TOM_RUS] | it was bugged for everyone in that raid |
| 16:57.43 | Semlar | is that the only place that you have problems |
| 16:57.50 | TheDanW | [TOM_RUS]: i fixed that recently, should be hotfixed soon(tm) |
| 16:58.24 | Semlar | what is it just baked into that minimap texture? |
| 16:58.46 | TheDanW | bad code |
| 16:58.48 | Semlar | or are those supposed to be arrows |
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| 17:07.46 | TheDanW | AcidWeb, nevcairiel: frame stratas should be working more consistent than ever, there's just not much understanding of the render flattening yet - the LFD tooltip was getting flattened into the minimap rendering, that's an expected result of the desired flattening behavior, we just missed re-parenting the tooltip for the prepatch |
| 17:11.53 | Semlar | could you set a frame to ignore being flattened into its parent |
| 17:12.31 | Semlar | or would it be too much work to add that |
| 17:13.17 | Semlar | or would it make more sense to reparent everything that you don't want being flattened |
| 17:13.20 | TheDanW | it would be a lot of work and kinda goes counter to what we're trying to achieve |
| 17:13.46 | fewyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW5IYrgOgYU |
| 17:13.49 | fewyn | so good |
| 17:13.56 | Semlar | if you have a tooltip and you set its owner to a particular frame does it get flattened into it? |
| 17:14.33 | TheDanW | if that frame is effectively flattened, see frame:GetEffectivelyFlattensRenderLayers() |
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| 17:15.47 | Semlar | so if your frame is flattened you'd have to SetOwner to something else if you want it to show up above other frames? |
| 17:16.19 | Thunder_Child | Sounds like you will need invisible sibling frames. |
| 17:16.28 | TheDanW | within a flattened frame hierarchy you can still "slice" like before |
| 17:16.46 | Semlar | but generally for a tooltip you'd want it showing up above everything |
| 17:17.08 | Semlar | like my dungeon queue shouldn't be showing up behind my quest watcher |
| 17:17.57 | Thunder_Child | And that explains why mine was showing up behind my button bars. |
| 17:18.14 | TheDanW | yup, that's why you parent to UIParent if you want it to show above others |
| 17:19.05 | TheDanW | SetOwner doesn't re-parent, so tooltips parented to UIParent at tooltip strata work fine |
| 17:19.27 | Semlar | okay, i wasn't sure if SetOwner would get it flattened if it wasn't parented to that frame |
| 17:19.42 | Ketho | actioncam getting disabled next monday http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747654593?page=45#895 |
| 17:20.37 | Semlar | oh dear, reddit is going to be so upset |
| 17:20.43 | fewyn | rip actioncam |
| 17:20.50 | Semlar | they're obsessed with their camera |
| 17:21.42 | fewyn | i know |
| 17:22.12 | mfgmfg | well at least that will fix the weird archimonde moose camera thing |
| 17:22.41 | Semlar | to be fair the action camera is also super broken |
| 17:22.52 | fewyn | i like the /idea/ of it |
| 17:22.55 | fewyn | but it is broken |
| 17:23.06 | Semlar | you can still set the CameraOverShoulder cvar to an infinite range |
| 17:23.17 | mfgmfg | "Additionally, weâre fixing an issue that was causing the camera to âpopâ when landing or taking off on a flying mount." |
| 17:23.21 | Semlar | so the camera goes off indefinitely |
| 17:23.23 | mfgmfg | maybe that hotfix is already live for me |
| 17:26.09 | Thunder_Child | Is there an issue with taking upwards of 10 seconds to dismount from a FP mount after landing, or is that just me? Not seeing anything in the "Known broken" post. |
| 17:26.28 | fewyn | happenign to me too Thunder_Child |
| 17:26.44 | Semlar | stop getting to your destination so fast! |
| 17:26.44 | fewyn | i assume it's lag tho |
| 17:26.59 | mfgmfg | probably lag yes |
| 17:27.02 | Thunder_Child | I don't think so, because everything else works perfectly fine. |
| 17:27.09 | mfgmfg | i've been having that issue too. |
| 17:27.10 | Thunder_Child | and it always happens. |
| 17:27.16 | Semlar | it's possible the route you took and the route the server thinks you should be taking is not the same |
| 17:27.29 | Semlar | so you have to wait for it to catch up |
| 17:28.15 | Thunder_Child | Well then the server needs to get its shit together. |
| 17:28.43 | Semlar | like i think the server knows how long a flight is supposed to take you and won't dismount you until it's up |
| 17:29.31 | Semlar | but the taxi route is client side? and you may not take the same amount of time |
| 17:30.02 | Semlar | TheDanW probably has a better idea of why it's not synced up |
| 17:30.55 | Semlar | maybe it's related to the zeppelins being broken |
| 17:31.47 | TheDanW | seems reasonable to me |
| 17:33.49 | Thunder_Child | Shouldn't that be an item line on the broken stuffs page? |
| 17:33.52 | Semlar | i'm going to make an addon that checks whether GetSpellPowerCost takes a table as an argument every time i log in |
| 17:34.14 | Simca | Thunder_Child: it would only happen at certain places on certain paths |
| 17:34.22 | Simca | and blizzard probably hasn't tested them all |
| 17:34.50 | Thunder_Child | Simca: It's happened for every flight I have made in the last week or so. |
| 17:35.51 | Semlar | slow down |
| 17:39.03 | mfgmfg | i made a weakaura that automatically shows a NPC your rogue insignia in order to activate the knocker or door to get into the class hall, i wonder if it's worth putting it into a standalone addon |
| 17:41.44 | Thunder_Child | Most notably between the garrison and ashran. |
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| 17:42.31 | AcidWeb | mfgmfg: Well people uploaded stuff that only set two cvars... |
| 17:50.37 | Ketho | x) |
| 17:50.41 | Mischanix | random idea about the texture situation, would dxtc-encoded blps be cached properly? i figure all the things people try to use are tga... |
| 17:51.23 | Semlar | if you mean to prevent it from being released when it's hidden, i don't think it matters what you use |
| 17:51.37 | Simca | i actually have a dxtc-encoded blp somewhere i think |
| 17:51.54 | Mischanix | unrelated, did you know wildstar switched to using jpeg encoded textures for all their ui stuff |
| 17:52.16 | Mischanix | except it's a custom framing that encodes each mip level separately |
| 17:52.47 | Mischanix | (and probably has a second Y-only stream for alpha) |
| 17:53.11 | Simca | http://www.mediafire.com/download/guaer56hu7kyz25/background.blp here, the mmoc background as a blp |
| 17:53.22 | Simca | i think chaud made it years ago when tgas were broken |
| 17:55.02 | Mischanix | i was thinking in regards to the uncached loading when same path is used multiple times |
| 17:55.13 | Mischanix | i guess if anything having the texture be dxtc would make loading a lot faster |
| 17:55.44 | Semlar | i thought they fixed it not loading from ram if there was an existing copy of it being shown |
| 17:56.05 | Semlar | on the beta |
| 17:56.20 | Mischanix | yeah i don't know, haven't tested it myself |
| 17:57.28 | Mischanix | but it wouldn't be slow for reading from disk, that should be reading from the OS's in-memory file cache |
| 17:57.37 | Mischanix | it would be slow for decoding/uploading |
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| 18:11.43 | Munk | Guill: Will custom texture masks ever be thing? |
| 18:12.17 | Guill | Munk: I really hope so. Now that we don't support fixed-function cards, it's actually something we should be able to do. |
| 18:13.25 | Mischanix | I noticed that, so much code ripped out of the renderer for that :D |
| 18:14.03 | Mischanix | dropping fixed function that is |
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| 18:15.04 | Mischanix | Hey now we just need custom fx shaders in UI mods |
| 18:16.45 | Simca | just take a DressUpModel, set a special CameraID, mess with the transparency and set it to a specific item |
| 18:16.52 | Simca | bam, special FX |
| 18:17.16 | Mischanix | I wonder if the stuff that takes file data ids can use the negative (local) ids |
| 18:22.44 | Guill | Yup, should be able to! |
| 18:22.49 | Munk | Guill: Cool :) I don't know how many times I've gone through the native textures to find appropriate masks. |
| 18:23.08 | Guill | Munk: Yeah, we deal with the same issue |
| 18:23.56 | Thunder_Child | Guill: What's with the trunicated handle? |
| 18:24.41 | Guill | Bandwidth savings |
| 18:24.41 | VIad | rip actioncam - shame it didnt stay as off by default but something you could turn on |
| 18:24.49 | VIad | and rip cameramaxdistance |
| 18:24.55 | VIad | so much rip this expansion |
| 18:25.47 | VIad | "However, it has become clear that more than a few players have somehow turned it on without knowing, and itâs a major cause of motion sickness for those players. So, weâre going to disable it entirely for now" |
| 18:26.19 | VIad | ^ turn it on without knowing |
| 18:27.01 | Munk | They downloaded DynamicCam, used it for a bit then turned it off and were left with the action cam running. |
| 18:27.04 | Munk | Probably. |
| 18:27.22 | Munk | Or someone posted it in trade. |
| 18:27.23 | VIad | we better blame the cvar then! |
| 18:27.43 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Guill |
| 18:27.43 | purl | installs PocketPC on Guill's PDA |
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| 18:30.42 | VIad | on the subject of maxcameradistance, time for me to invest in one of those super widescreens? https://i.imgur.com/sQVcynC.jpg |
| 18:31.11 | VIad | 3440x1440 gives me back more distance, similar to the old 1920x1080 max |
| 18:31.52 | Thunder_Child | Messing with the viewport wouldn't do the same thing? |
| 18:32.09 | Semlar | uh i thought it drew exactly the same thing regardless of your resolution |
| 18:32.21 | VIad | then it would stretch |
| 18:32.28 | Semlar | right |
| 18:32.29 | VIad | if you have super widescreen but rendered 16:9 regardless |
| 18:32.40 | Guill | VIad: That image is wrong. Just look at how the top row compares to the brown area of the bottom row. They don't match up at all. |
| 18:33.12 | Guill | The right side isn't too far off, but the left side is wildly inaccurate |
| 18:33.22 | VIad | I sadly dont know under what circumstances that person took these :p |
| 18:33.31 | mfgmfg | perhaps memory editing |
| 18:33.46 | VIad | could have been the old client pre legion |
| 18:33.51 | VIad | wait cant be |
| 18:33.57 | VIad | ^ yes might be |
| 18:34.12 | VIad | and it might look a bit different now than how it was pre 7.0 on such higher distances |
| 18:34.24 | VIad | unsure if only the distance changed or camera behaviors in general |
| 18:34.27 | VIad | maybe a mix of both |
| 18:34.33 | Guill | Still, just look at the brown highlight that's supposed to compare the two. It clearly contains the tree on the left in every image except the bottom left in which it entirely misses it |
| 18:35.00 | VIad | yeah the bottom left is really bad |
| 18:35.11 | Munk | The old super wide screen is closer to 4:3 than 16:9 lol. |
| 18:35.22 | VIad | bet he just drew it badly |
| 18:35.50 | VIad | but the top left and the bottom right are kind of similar |
| 18:36.09 | VIad | you get to see like 500px more on the sides! |
| 18:37.08 | [TOM_RUS] | Guill, when do you plan to revert camera distance? ppl have to hack the game t obe able to play it, is that blizzards goal or something? |
| 18:37.27 | VIad | more banhammers> more game sales > happy investor charts |
| 18:37.52 | Semlar | lol, the game isn't unplayable |
| 18:37.54 | Munk | I'm sure there's an appropriate conspiracy thread on MMO-champion for this subject. |
| 18:38.13 | VIad | in raiding it really sucks to be the tank that tries to lead and cant because back to wall and boss too big :p |
| 18:38.17 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, it is unplayable |
| 18:38.23 | Semlar | it really isn't |
| 18:38.27 | VIad | and you cant see anything else that isnt directly near |
| 18:38.41 | VIad | casually I have no problems |
| 18:38.47 | [TOM_RUS] | can't see anything in raid at all with new distance |
| 18:39.15 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/qYUFmmo.jpg ^^ |
| 18:39.51 | Semlar | to be honest this looks better than onyxia did |
| 18:40.24 | VIad | saw someone posting on magtheridon as rogue, seeing him take up all the screen space :p |
| 18:40.52 | Semlar | has he considered zooming his camera out? |
| 18:41.49 | VIad | I dunno man. though we are arguing preferences. and you Semlar as a hunter, you wouldn't understand |
| 18:42.04 | VIad | oh yes I went there |
| 18:42.55 | Semlar | as a rogue i have my camera zoomed in closer than i do as a ranged class |
| 18:43.51 | VIad | what if each boss had their own max camera distance, so players could zoom out more in certain rooms |
| 18:43.59 | VIad | in case the boss is huge, you could zoom out more |
| 18:44.15 | VIad | so boss would in all encounters take up cirka the same space on screen |
| 18:44.21 | Semlar | i assume they take your camera distance into account when they're designing boss fights so |
| 18:44.32 | VIad | dunno man, some guys are really big |
| 18:45.29 | VIad | the legendary ring works as temporary max camera distance, kind of fun. |
| 18:45.42 | VIad | makes me huge, and camera zooms out so much. more than it did pre-change. |
| 18:45.50 | Thunder_Child | On the other hand this may make people in raids actually have to think instead of someone telling everyone what to do and when. |
| 18:46.31 | Semlar | let's not get carried away |
| 18:46.52 | Thunder_Child | Why not? |
| 18:46.55 | VIad | yes semlar? |
| 18:46.57 | VIad | why not? |
| 18:47.37 | VIad | we should stop poking at him, Thunder_Child |
| 18:47.49 | Thunder_Child | I refuse. |
| 18:47.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.15 | Semlar | there is no difference in viewable area |
| 18:48.18 | Ketho | I don't mind the camera changes, can still raid drunk to increase the distance x) |
| 18:48.40 | Thunder_Child | My point stands however. There is nothing wrong with not being able to see everything, and requiring raid members to communicate about events. |
| 18:48.49 | VIad | Ketho: who allowed you to take a break from updating addons for legion? |
| 18:49.03 | VIad | TC: you are mostly describing bad guilds raiding though :p |
| 18:49.15 | VIad | that have a guy that has to yell out what everyone must to and such |
| 18:49.49 | Semlar | aka every guild |
| 18:50.18 | VIad | for instance if its a fight that involves some adds, a tank might want to peak around and see if its there at times, with limited camera that could be more difficult now than before, and at least require more camera movement back and forth, me personally, I'd get dizzy from that :p |
| 18:50.32 | VIad | I liked the max zoom so I could see more and move the camera less |
| 18:50.42 | VIad | helped me in raiding at least |
| 18:51.01 | VIad | I guess people would have different opinions about the camera now and what they used it for though |
| 18:51.32 | Simca | CASCRebuilder succeeded for the first time |
| 18:51.55 | Simca | it rebuilt the archives, battle.net app rebuilt the indices |
| 18:51.58 | VIad | you trimmed your installation down by 20gb? |
| 18:52.00 | Simca | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EHEvsCCkkmk/V5pTc20nB8I/AAAAAAAACo0/WeZcjLT1Z1EATIJzfG5OHgGUuYf2oRmrQCCo/s2048/%255BUNSET%255D |
| 18:52.20 | Simca | it wanted to download 2.6 GB afterwards, so I am probably missing a bit, probably need to parse encoding |
| 18:52.35 | Simca | yeah, install is now 34 GB |
| 18:52.41 | Simca | from 52 |
| 18:52.44 | VIad | disconnected emu lover? |
| 18:52.46 | Thunder_Child | VIad: That's exactly my point. The tank can no longer peek, they have to rely on other memebers to let them know when an add spawns. |
| 18:53.22 | VIad | in guild sure, if you pug raids, thats a tall order :p |
| 18:53.53 | VIad | I cant even stand not able to dispell a beneficial buff on enemies anymore, now that icy touch glyph is gone |
| 18:54.11 | VIad | and I see bosses that apply buffs and no one cares to remove it :'( |
| 18:54.33 | Thunder_Child | It might be a tall order, but I suspect the majority of people would rise to it. |
| 18:54.39 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better i have yet to see a healer realize he's the only person in a group that can rez in all of the dungeons i've done while leveling up |
| 18:54.55 | VIad | the transition is horrible |
| 18:55.04 | VIad | feels horrible for us that knew we had a solution |
| 18:55.11 | VIad | but not anymore, and no one is doing anything :p |
| 18:55.20 | VIad | like the scrubs learned that others can fix it |
| 18:55.27 | VIad | no one cares to learn about purging enemies of buffs |
| 18:55.30 | VIad | or enrage effects |
| 18:55.36 | VIad | dont think druids even have soothe on their bars |
| 18:55.44 | VIad | tranq is gone too isnt it? |
| 18:56.07 | VIad | black moras has the drake that has a magic buff, 200% attack speed |
| 18:56.11 | VIad | no one dispells it ^^ |
| 18:56.28 | VIad | I had to do it by myself back in the day. and now with group finder, you arent even guaranteed to have anyone with a dispell. |
| 18:56.52 | VIad | feels like we are going back to bring the class, even more so |
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| 18:58.19 | VIad | actually a lot of TW used buffs and enrage effects |
| 18:58.39 | VIad | no one ever removed those, doubt they would even if they could, people dont learn new thing unless forced in a raid guild environment |
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| 18:58.58 | VIad | balancing those sides of the spectrum can be difficult |
| 19:01.04 | [TOM_RUS] | whole ability pruning is stupid, no one asked for it, yet it's happening... |
| 19:01.44 | VIad | the range of classes with ability to remove hostile buff or enrage is narrowed now, yet old dungeons we use in TW dont change that |
| 19:01.58 | VIad | so you can end up with a bit of difficulties on some bosses if the players arent playing properly |
| 19:02.01 | [TOM_RUS] | same goes to camera distance and many other negative changes to the game over the years |
| 19:02.02 | VIad | tbh TW is harder than mythics :p |
| 19:02.19 | nebula | shit changes, get over it or quit /shrug |
| 19:03.30 | VIad | so salty. good. I needed some salt for my food :p |
| 19:03.44 | nebula | no salt, just simple truth |
| 19:03.53 | Andols | Vlad: Sooth is removed Tranq is resto only |
| 19:03.56 | nebula | what's stupid for one person is great for another |
| 19:04.11 | VIad | not all changes work well within the game itself. just go back doing heroics/TW in older content. |
| 19:04.48 | VIad | Andols: I meant tranq shot :p |
| 19:04.52 | VIad | that also removed enrage |
| 19:04.54 | Andols | aha :P |
| 19:04.58 | nebula | so you don't faceroll the fuck out of stuff in a prepatch that's mostly tuned for a different level? *gasp* |
| 19:05.09 | [TOM_RUS] | nebula, you act like blizzards fan boy, accepting everything they do |
| 19:05.20 | Semlar | lol |
| 19:05.31 | nebula | nah, i just accept that i don't have much of a say in the matter and don't whine and cry about every little thing |
| 19:05.54 | Alram | is nebula anti [TOM_RUS] |
| 19:06.06 | Semlar | no nebula, the game is literally unplayable because i can't zoom my camera into low earth orbit |
| 19:06.13 | Andols | And btw, that viewport comparison image from earlier, It's made on a 7.0 client. Because the "park" didn't exist pre patch :P |
| 19:06.57 | VIad | not all changes are always good changes, and if people complaim it might be a sign. but blizz will need more data before reverting anything, mostly, there must be issues directly related to changes people whine about to consider and revert them |
| 19:07.21 | VIad | remember the real names on forums thing? |
| 19:07.25 | VIad | remember flying in draenor? |
| 19:07.30 | VIad | enough people whined, it got changed |
| 19:07.58 | VIad | if enough raiding guilds complain about the camera, I am sure it will too be reconsidered |
| 19:08.07 | VIad | as said earlier, casual wise I too have no problem with it |
| 19:08.15 | Andols | Dind't the real names stop after several mods was "doxxed" ? |
| 19:08.16 | VIad | but I can imagine raid settings where its a pain in the buttocks |
| 19:08.34 | Semlar | legion isn't even out yet how do you have any idea what raiding with the camera is going to be like |
| 19:08.49 | Semlar | doing old raids tuned to the old camera? |
| 19:09.39 | Semlar | you think you could actually try it before demanding they revert their changes |
| 19:09.58 | VIad | that is kind of what I meant, if raiders raid in legion and still complain, then... |
| 19:10.03 | VIad | maybe blizzard will consider |
| 19:10.30 | VIad | thats the only situation I see where they might revert this, otherwise its all just considered "people dont like change and whine" kind of thing and ignored :p |
| 19:12.43 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, apparently ppl have been testing raids on beta... |
| 19:13.16 | Semlar | and they couldn't do them because of their camera distance? |
| 19:14.04 | VIad | if the argument is, if you made it then get used to it, I dont know if I can agree to just that :p |
| 19:14.59 | [TOM_RUS] | yes, it's a complete mess, be it WoD, Legion, what ever, everywhere new camera changes are fuck everything up |
| 19:15.04 | Semlar | the game is certainly easier with the camera zoomed way the fuck out, but if you seriously can't raid with the way the camera is right now then you suck at the game |
| 19:15.24 | VIad | the camera zoom doesnt make it easier.. |
| 19:15.30 | Semlar | uh it makes it way easier |
| 19:15.43 | Semlar | why do you think people had their camera zoomed out to the max |
| 19:15.49 | VIad | so the argument is, we need worse camera to make it more difficult to be aware of suroundings and create difficulty from that? |
| 19:15.54 | Arrow|work | back in my day we raided with our camera zoomed into the backs of our characters heads |
| 19:16.11 | VIad | can't speak for all, for me, less screen movement means less motion sickness :p |
| 19:16.32 | VIad | zoom out enough and me running equates to less pixels moving on screen, and it felt nicer for my eyes |
| 19:16.53 | VIad | you can say that it made the game easier for me ^^ |
| 19:17.12 | Semlar | i'm right there with you, i shouldn't even be able to identify which dot on the screen is me |
| 19:17.23 | Arrow|work | seriously back when MC was the raid you couldnt do much zoomed out |
| 19:17.41 | VIad | I didnt always play at max zoom, only when needed |
| 19:17.50 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, are we supposed to turn camera around all the time for a whole duration of encounter now? does it add anything good to the game? is it fun? |
| 19:19.14 | [TOM_RUS] | I don't see a single positive thing from camera zoom change |
| 19:19.25 | [TOM_RUS] | and bunch of negative ones |
| 19:19.51 | VIad | (1) more homogenization, everyone sees the same (2) people that increased the distance gained unfair advantages over the scrubs |
| 19:20.19 | VIad | two things I see that drove the idea to change the distance |
| 19:21.04 | Semlar | it was 100% so you could see your transmog better |
| 19:21.12 | [TOM_RUS] | "unfair advantages" plz stop, it makes me laugh |
| 19:21.14 | Semlar | they didn't go through all that work for you not to see it |
| 19:21.35 | VIad | I am just trying to be fair here |
| 19:23.11 | [TOM_RUS] | I think we should ban wide monitors then, ppl are gaining unfair advantage over those without such monitors |
| 19:23.35 | VIad | thats why I was considering to buy a 2k> one |
| 19:23.47 | VIad | still at 1920x1080 and its actually getting smaller with the years :< |
| 19:26.26 | [TOM_RUS] | maybe it's a conspiracy with monitors manufacturers, blizz gets extra cash because players are forced to buy new monitor for legion |
| 19:30.37 | Semlar | implying a larger monitor increases your field of view |
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| 19:31.53 | Semlar | the only difference is between aspect ratios, so wide screen will have extra bits on the sides |
| 19:32.25 | Mischanix | why don't you just hack the cvar value if it makes you so mad |
| 19:32.37 | Semlar | there is zero chance that he hasn't already done that |
| 19:32.40 | VIad | Semlar: superwidescreen have more |
| 19:34.51 | Mischanix | could even disable the branch in the camera update for infinite zoom |
| 19:37.14 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.38 | Thunder_Child | I can test on my 4K monitor if I ever manage to take it home. |
| 19:37.45 | [TOM_RUS] | Mischanix, sure you can do that, why why should I do blizzard's job? |
| 19:37.56 | Mischanix | [TOM_RUS]: in case you haven't https://drop.furl.cc/rCB9B |
| 19:38.47 | Thunder_Child | "Blizzard's job"? You make it sound like you are owed that. |
| 19:38.56 | Mischanix | (inb4 warden) |
| 19:41.02 | [TOM_RUS] | Thunder_Child, they broke it, they should fix it |
| 19:41.16 | Mischanix | looks pretty intentional to me |
| 19:41.20 | Thunder_Child | Except to them it is not broken... |
| 19:43.17 | Mischanix | Truthfully, the game does look like garbage the more you zoom out, a lot of the effects aren't intended to be viewed from that perspective |
| 19:43.48 | Semlar | it was meant to be played like warcraft 3 |
| 19:43.59 | Ketho | at least we have GetCameraZoom() now ._. |
| 19:48.56 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: of course he acts that way, you haven't realized he's an entitled prick by now? :p |
| 19:49.14 | Gnarfoz | I wonder why he's even around, he said he would quit because of no flying! :P |
| 19:50.03 | Gnarfoz | (btw, DynamicCam actually has an uninstall button to make sure everything's back to default before you disable it. Heh. :D) |
| 19:51.44 | [TOM_RUS] | Gnarfoz, fuck off you moron |
| 19:51.50 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 19:51.57 | Gnarfoz | can't handle the truth |
| 19:52.43 | [TOM_RUS] | truth? ahahaha |
| 19:54.38 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/TOM_RUS/with_replies for a glance into the mind of someone at the center of the universe |
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| 19:57.15 | Gnarfoz | except for when you suddenly find yourself blocked |
| 19:57.20 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:03.34 | Simca | so i'm having a problem with a user having a specific issue with a saved variable not being set to its default |
| 20:03.49 | Simca | and i noticed in their report, their addon folder is all lowercase |
| 20:04.14 | Simca | in ADDON_LOADED, I check for arg1 = "MyAddonName", is it possible that case of the folder affects that? |
| 20:04.40 | Simca | i'm guessing not, but i'm running out of ideas |
| 20:04.51 | Guill | Simca: "AddOns" folder or the folder for your specific AddOn? |
| 20:05.00 | nebula | folder, toc name, and arg1 should all be the same |
| 20:05.06 | Simca | folder for my specific addon |
| 20:05.37 | Guill | Simca: Pretty sure you're correct that that would cause the AddOn name to change in the ADDON_LOADED event |
| 20:05.47 | Simca | oh, wow |
| 20:06.04 | Simca | I should string.upper that arg then and check that way |
| 20:06.05 | Simca | thanks |
| 20:09.02 | Guill | Yeah, just took a look at the code and that's almost certainly what's happening. Everything else "works" because both Windows and Mac (by default) are case-insensitive. But the way we get the AddOn name is from the folder name |
| 20:11.25 | Simca | yeah that makes sense |
| 20:12.52 | Guill | I'd say that we should really just capitalize the names on our side, but I think it's a little later for that :P |
| 20:13.45 | Simca | yeah i wonder how many edge cases that has caused over the years |
| 20:14.21 | Simca | because for ArkInventory support for my pet breed addon, I have to call their name like that, but if somebody renamed their arkinventory folder to lowercase for some reason |
| 20:14.28 | Simca | it would break that functionality and cause an error |
| 20:17.57 | Simca | yep, confirmed fixed. excellent |
| 20:21.06 | mfgmfg | anyone experiencing a 1 second mouse freeze once in a while in wow? wonder it's wow or my mouse |
| 20:22.54 | Thunder_Child | does it happen outside of wow? |
| 20:23.45 | Guill | mfgmfg: Try enabling "hardware cursor" in the advance video options and see if that fixes it |
| 20:24.15 | Gnarfoz | (I'm experiencing long freeze when I get an achievement, but that might be one of the bazillion addons I run.) |
| 20:25.20 | Torhal | WTB LE_TEXTURE_TYPE_PERSISTENT |
| 20:25.21 | Torhal | >.> |
| 20:25.34 | Mischanix | the worst part of using a garbage collected language is when you're reminded it's a garbage collected language |
| 20:26.04 | Gnarfoz | like when the memory increasing rate goes to -800 KiB/s? |
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| 20:26.28 | Mischanix | left shift 10 and welcome to my life |
| 20:27.28 | maunot | Simca: the addon name that gets passed to your Lua files in ... (i.e. local ADDON_NAME, tbl = ...) matches the casing of the addon folder as well, so you could also compare the ADDON_LOADED arg to that :P |
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| 20:27.54 | Gnarfoz | presses his left shift key 10 times in confusion |
| 20:28.18 | kullervo | Torhal: why do you want a lawful evil texture? |
| 20:28.28 | Mischanix | i wrote a unified heap/stack allocator in javascript to avoid generating garbage with vector math |
| 20:28.36 | Mischanix | if i forget to pop the stack stuff randomly turns to NaN |
| 20:28.48 | Mischanix | it's fun |
| 20:29.03 | Torhal | Because it would compliment LE_MAP_LANDMARK_TYPE_NORMAL. kullervo. |
| 20:29.15 | Torhal | Gotsta have them Lawful Evil landmark types. |
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| 20:44.22 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: thanks for the explanation. So is being flattened just an intrinsic property of the mini map somewhere? It actually occurred to me and I tried to look for a property in the XML but found nothing |
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| 20:45.14 | Torhal | I thought flattening happened to all UI elements with 7.x |
| 20:45.29 | nevcairiel | In other topics, is the mmoc blue tracker broke? |
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| 20:46.52 | Stanzilla | probably, becausse of the site layout changes |
| 20:47.44 | Stanzilla | time for http://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker&rss :D |
| 20:49.02 | nevcairiel | Wow head tracker is horrible on mobile |
| 20:49.42 | Trela | nevcairiel: It works. |
| 20:49.56 | Trela | Oh, it says two days ago. |
| 20:50.02 | Stanzilla | eh I only read rss |
| 20:50.06 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: the minimap cluster is toplevel="true" which implicitly means it flattens its children, and some other top level behavior like raising on shown/mouse clicks |
| 20:50.16 | nevcairiel | Oh top-level does that |
| 20:50.19 | nevcairiel | Makes sense |
| 20:51.17 | TheDanW | there's also flattenRenderLayers that provides flattening without the other toplevel behavior |
| 20:51.59 | nevcairiel | I saw that on a few frames but not the mini map, hence wondering |
| 20:52.33 | TheDanW | yeah, scroll frames implicitly flatten also |
| 20:52.51 | TheDanW | i'm hoping to get time to write up something that explains more of this in detail |
| 20:53.13 | nevcairiel | I guess it's rather unusual to mix stratas within a frame |
| 20:53.19 | nevcairiel | Ordinarily |
| 20:54.24 | Trela | Doot doot, all the data on MMO-C Blue is broken. |
| 20:57.28 | Thunder_Child | Well, I'm sure everyone at MMO-C was bored anyway and needed something to do. |
| 21:02.47 | Trela | I am only busy reimplementing an entire authentication system. No big deal! |
| 21:04.20 | Torhal | Trela: Mac app to make a gif of your screen. Go! |
| 21:04.31 | Trela | o_o? |
| 21:04.47 | Torhal | Zeldo needs a program to make a gif "screenshot" |
| 21:05.44 | Zeldo | Yus |
| 21:05.45 | Zeldo | I do |
| 21:06.01 | Trela | iShowU |
| 21:06.28 | Trela | Also, Quicktime 10 which is built into OS X. |
| 21:06.51 | Thunder_Child | Maybe not the best title with todays euphemisms. |
| 21:07.11 | Zeldo | Oh shit, quicktime does have it |
| 21:07.13 | Zeldo | Thanks trela |
| 21:07.34 | Trela | :3 |
| 21:07.55 | Trela | Someone found a use for Quicktime. A-MEI-ZING! |
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| 21:09.44 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: iShowU Quicktime 10! <-- This is objectively worse. |
| 21:10.05 | Thunder_Child | You can't actually remove it in OS X, it's considered a system required app. Which is kind of scary. |
| 21:10.28 | nevcairiel | The real scary part is that it probably is! |
| 21:13.44 | Thunder_Child | Right Apple built their own version of electron using Quicktime. |
| 21:14.57 | Simca | i'll ask about the blue tracker. i know it was broken by the site update, but I thought chaud said it was going to be fixed today |
| 21:15.02 | Simca | except 'today' is almost over |
| 21:15.06 | Simca | so i'll ask what's up |
| 21:15.29 | Thunder_Child | Isn't 'today' somewhat subjective? |
| 21:15.51 | Simca | standard work day, EST |
| 21:16.07 | Simca | but yes, it usually is |
| 21:24.31 | Cidan | Does anyone know what causes this error when calling SetPoint() on a frame sometimes? |
| 21:24.46 | Cidan | Fram1:SetPoint() Frame2 is dependent on this |
| 21:25.10 | Seerah | your making a loop in your setpoint calls |
| 21:25.27 | Torhal | grammar polices Seerah. |
| 21:25.30 | Torhal | runs and hides. |
| 21:25.41 | Seerah | bah! |
| 21:25.51 | Seerah | \s\your\you're |
| 21:26.06 | Seerah | /s/your/you're ? |
| 21:26.13 | Seerah | *shrug |
| 21:26.19 | Torhal | Only works on the immediately-previous line. |
| 21:26.28 | Seerah | yeah.... /sigh |
| 21:26.50 | Cidan | Ah, I'm trying to dock two objects to each other, I see. |
| 21:26.53 | Cidan | Okay, makes sense |
| 21:26.56 | Cidan | Thanks. |
| 21:31.34 | Simca | <chaud> tomorrow probably? |
| 21:31.34 | Simca | <chaud> mine has been fixed since day 1 http://urbad.net/blue/ |
| 21:32.08 | Simca | best domain name |
| 21:32.34 | nevcairiel | also worst website design |
| 21:35.33 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/aOei7Va.gifv |
| 21:36.25 | Simca | nice |
| 21:36.45 | kullervo | did the texture filtering change somehow, everything looks like shit compared to how it used to be in 6.x |
| 21:36.46 | znf | http://urbad.net/blue/us/20747875083-Time_for_Blizzard_to_acknowledge_the_problem |
| 21:36.48 | znf | what problem is that? |
| 21:36.51 | znf | <- out of the loop |
| 21:37.21 | Simca | there is a 'player density' mechanic in place that phases people out if there are too many around |
| 21:37.24 | Xuerian | > The phasing thing is NOT working |
| 21:37.34 | Xuerian | IE zepplins and guildmates being invisible |
| 21:37.44 | Simca | it's got some issues |
| 21:37.48 | nevcairiel | they already acknowledged there is a bug with party members sometimes being out of phase |
| 21:37.54 | znf | ah, sharding |
| 21:38.04 | Xuerian | Dynamic sharding yeah |
| 21:38.04 | nevcairiel | but honestly that happened in 6.2 already sometimes =p |
| 21:38.19 | Xuerian | Or, hm |
| 21:38.37 | Simca | one of the main annoying things is that it just flat out seems to take NPCs longer to 'pop in' when you suddenly appear in an area |
| 21:39.03 | Simca | like if you're flying into your garrison super fast and stop, things seem to appear around you much slower than in 6.2.4 |
| 21:39.18 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 21:41.12 | nevcairiel | thats fine, flying is going away anyway =p |
| 21:41.47 | Gnarfoz | not for Draenor, or elsewhere, and it's going to come to Legion in the end, too |
| 21:43.26 | Xuerian | i think thats the joke |
| 22:06.44 | nevcairiel | haha someone tried to update blue.mmoc, and now its totally screwed up =p |
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| 22:09.53 | kd3 | heh oops |
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| 22:22.12 | Simca | it looks like that's intentional - something to grab blizzcon news from the blizzcon site maybe |
| 22:22.27 | nevcairiel | doubtful |
| 22:22.38 | nevcairiel | it looks absolutely rubbish |
| 22:22.57 | nevcairiel | and it took not the title but the summary |
| 22:23.05 | Simca | ah yeah, that part is bugged |
| 22:23.29 | Simca | i don't think the bluetracker ever looked at any site besides the wow site before, so maybe they are updating it |
| 22:24.29 | nevcairiel | its a wow bluetracker, if i wanted other news I would go somewhere else |
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| 22:56.09 | foxlit | grumble, wow is taking ages to exit from login screen again. |
| 23:07.57 | Thunder_Child | Any particular reason that disenchanting and milling are still getting the shaft? |
| 23:18.39 | VIad | highmaul is broken |
| 23:18.56 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1469747932.png |
| 23:19.01 | VIad | I touched the wall with the closed gate |
| 23:19.04 | VIad | got sent flying |
| 23:19.13 | VIad | and I can't move, mobs keep kicking me up in the air constantly |
| 23:21.01 | foxlit | maybe someone should stop touching walls. |
| 23:21.34 | Thunder_Child | touches foxlit |
| 23:21.46 | ccox | Thunder_Child: I think itâs because Blizzard doesnât like us |
| 23:21.59 | ccox | oh, and prospecting is in worse shape (seriously not working right) |
| 23:22.23 | Thunder_Child | us as in people with those professoins or just people in general. |
| 23:22.41 | Thunder_Child | s/./?/ |
| 23:22.57 | ccox | Thunder_Child: those of us working on addons :-) |
| 23:23.32 | VIad | go to normal highmaul and try it |
| 23:23.32 | Guill | No, just Thunder_Child in particular |
| 23:23.36 | VIad | so buggy :p |
| 23:24.30 | Thunder_Child | That's kinda ominous coming from you Guill. |
| 23:24.32 | ccox | Thunder_Child: actually, I suspect they have some fragility in their yield tables for DE/Mill/Prospect that is causing some of the issues |
| 23:25.08 | ccox | Thunder_Child: perhaps other changes are breaking their tables, and they have to keep fixing them? |
| 23:25.23 | ccox | because it seems like the same sort or breakage happening over and over. |
| 23:27.26 | Guill | Thunder_Child: It's right here. if(miller == "Thunder_Child") then return BAD_ITEM else return ActualMilling() end |
| 23:28.27 | Thunder_Child | As simple as that? I was expecting some super magic like Slouken did with his directional pad addon. |
| 23:29.20 | Guill | Well, *that's* the simple part. The complicated part is mapping from your character ID to your IRC handle. |
| 23:29.59 | Thunder_Child | Fair enough. |
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| 23:33.58 | Thunder_Child | ccox: Note that I was talking as a player, not an author. |
| 23:40.22 | foxlit | psst, what's going on with garrison follower/ship XP rewards vs higher mission levels? |
| 23:41.20 | foxlit | I think you now get 0% if the follower is 2+ levels under the mission; not sure how this works with a 1-level difference or with item levels or with ships. |
| 23:41.27 | foxlit | (silly me, ships have no levels.) |
| 23:47.08 | Thunder_Child | Right, they have decks. |
| 23:52.08 | Seerah | +1 to Thunder_Child |
| 23:53.33 | Thunder_Child | Seerah: FYI, anyone that knows me would recommend to you to not feed the litteralist. |
