| 00:00.06 | nebula | right, but all the rest of the toggles enable things for targets |
| 00:00.14 | Stanzilla | I mean |
| 00:00.15 | Stanzilla | https://github.com/Resike/MikScrollingBattleText/commit/2451b126589bbf96da30b63bd71cd5ad169786fc#diff-9e0e87cd313b782884d51cd7078f8c05L2184 |
| 00:00.16 | nebula | none of them affect the "on self" option |
| 00:00.16 | Stanzilla | we have this |
| 00:00.53 | Semlar | we have the options for floating combat text on self, so we need the checkbox to enable floating combat text on self |
| 00:02.09 | Torhal | enables floating Semlar text. |
| 00:02.17 | Semlar | D: |
| 00:03.01 | Primer | I like how running the game now runs the launcher if your game is out of date |
| 00:04.00 | Semlar | i like how launching it from the launcher sometimes tells you it's out of date and to launch the launcher |
| 00:04.23 | Primer | I don't keep the launcher running at work |
| 00:04.30 | Primer | Since I'm using Linux here |
| 00:05.16 | kd3 | yah, that is pretty amusing, start up the launcher, hit play, wait a few seconds for a hideously-decorated text box to say 'update wow', and then wait for 3 minutes for casc to do it's thing |
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| 00:16.42 | Primer | kd3: Do you use virtual desktops? If so, does your wow crash when you switch? |
| 00:16.51 | kd3 | nope |
| 00:16.59 | kd3 | (to the former, can't answer the latter) |
| 00:17.21 | Primer | What DE/WM? |
| 00:17.26 | Primer | Just curious |
| 00:17.33 | kd3 | Xfce/xfwm |
| 00:17.51 | Primer | That does come with a default set of virtual desktops, does it not? |
| 00:18.12 | kd3 | think so, but I disabled them. not a feature I generally use |
| 00:18.28 | Primer | ok |
| 00:49.53 | Ssateneth | Anyone know of an addon that searches auctionhouse for gear and brings up a list of gear that you can learn on that character that you can buy on the spot? |
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| 01:00.50 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: You silly. |
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| 01:34.50 | kd3 | hm. the new curse app doesn't even install in a clean prefix. that's kinda bleh |
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| 01:37.58 | Torhal | kd3: Hmm? |
| 01:38.20 | kd3 | fails on install with fixme:wintrust:SOFTPUB_VerifyImageHash Cannot verify hash for pszObjId="1.3.6.1.4.1.311.2.1.30" |
| 01:39.19 | Torhal | I let 'em know. |
| 01:39.51 | kd3 | that's in wine, so I expect the answer will be ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 01:40.03 | Torhal | Oh |
| 01:40.04 | Torhal | Bah |
| 01:40.05 | Torhal | lol |
| 01:41.53 | Stanzilla | the Linnix team is on it |
| 01:42.46 | Torhal | The response was "Uh, yeah." |
| 01:43.10 | kd3 | like I said |
| 01:58.00 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: hmm? |
| 01:58.21 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: You responded with "I'll be there" to last year's UI Dinner post. |
| 01:58.40 | Thunder_Child | Oh, why is that at the top of the form then? Bah. |
| 01:58.53 | Torhal | Dunno... been awhile since you read it? :) |
| 01:59.20 | Thunder_Child | I didn't think I read it last year. |
| 01:59.31 | Torhal | Might be why |
| 02:01.05 | Mr_Rabies | well, thats neat |
| 02:01.12 | Mr_Rabies | 98x C stack overflow [C]: ? FrameXML\SecureHandlers.lua:320: in function <FrameXML\SecureHandlers.lua:304> |
| 02:01.47 | Thunder_Child | I am also not finding a 2016 one. Go me. |
| 02:02.07 | Mr_Rabies | new curse app? |
| 02:02.48 | kd3 | curse voice is picking up addon management stuff and they're going to retire the v5 app at some point |
| 02:03.44 | Ketho | Mr_Rabies: p3lim also a weird stack overflow, but said his installation was corrupt or something http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info24050-NameplateColors.html#comments |
| 02:04.41 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Cairenn usually starts that in September, I believe. |
| 02:12.13 | Thunder_Child | Ah yes, that reminds me that I usually bug her about starting it sooner. |
| 02:13.35 | Semlar | i see curse still hasn't fixed their comment system outputting comments in apparently random order |
| 02:13.59 | Torhal | Semlar: I did make it better |
| 02:14.06 | Torhal | They had comments nesting to 1 level |
| 02:14.16 | Torhal | I changed it to 3 and boom, much better |
| 02:14.17 | Torhal | But still shit. |
| 02:14.41 | Torhal | Basically, after the nesting threshold is reached, replies start appearing BEFORE the original comment. |
| 02:15.16 | Torhal | I have no idea why this was considered a good idea. |
| 02:15.27 | Torhal | My take is "If you can't do proper nesting, just make it like a forum." |
| 02:15.49 | Semlar | it is really confusing to try and figure out which comments are replies to other comments |
| 02:15.57 | Torhal | Yeah |
| 02:16.06 | Torhal | I hate it, but I gave up complaining over a year ago. |
| 02:16.11 | Semlar | partially because they're all right-aligned i think |
| 02:16.38 | Semlar | or maybe the width is just screwed up on this |
| 02:17.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.25 | Semlar | it's above #104 which was posted earlier |
| 02:18.41 | Semlar | why is the order so weird |
| 02:20.55 | Torhal | I actually hypothesized that large quantities of LSD must have been involved, Semlar. |
| 02:21.36 | Semlar | maybe |
| 02:22.34 | Thunder_Child | You really think LSD is needed for bad code? |
| 02:24.02 | Torhal | No, but I do think it's needed to follow the lines of conversation as currently rendered. |
| 02:24.41 | Torhal | So it stands to reason that they intentionally designed it that way due to LSD. |
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| 02:43.07 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i have ShowClassColorInNameplate set to 2 |
| 02:43.10 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder what that does |
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| 03:55.45 | Kemayo | Simca_: That cameraid spreadsheet helped greatly, thank you. |
| 03:56.01 | Kemayo | I now have a 356 item table bundled with my previewer addon. :P |
| 04:07.19 | HumanRegret | can the frames you create to display not be apart of the table in which you hold information? EG, this will display something, http://pastebin.com/0BGjjgFg .. but this will not, http://pastebin.com/1F2VKFvY |
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| 04:20.00 | nebula | HumanRegret: vars are case sensitive, you switch between UnitFrames and Unitframes in the second paste |
| 04:20.33 | nebula | and it should have errored if you ran it |
| 04:21.13 | HumanRegret | it didn't :( |
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| 04:32.40 | mckenziemc | i've had issues with the error frame |
| 04:32.49 | mckenziemc | erring by not showing errors :( |
| 04:34.55 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Maybe that's why they removed the "Display Lua Errors" line from the options panel. |
| 04:34.57 | Torhal | >.> |
| 04:43.18 | HumanRegret | guys should I be making a base frame along the lines of AddonMainFrame, inherits UIParents, so I can UIParent:Hide() and then just AddonMainFrame:Show() so I can hide all of blizzards default ui? |
| 04:46.56 | kd3 | I'm pretty sure that counts as an example of "If you break it, you keep both pieces." |
| 04:47.23 | HumanRegret | haah |
| 04:47.45 | nebula | also wouldn't work, if it's a child of UIParent, it wouldn't be visible while UIParent is hidden |
| 04:49.50 | HumanRegret | so hide everything individually then |
| 04:49.51 | HumanRegret | got it |
| 04:56.23 | Torhal | Hiding UIParent would kinda break everything. |
| 04:56.31 | Torhal | ALL the AddOns go away. |
| 04:56.36 | Torhal | And default UI. |
| 04:57.05 | HumanRegret | good |
| 04:57.07 | HumanRegret | I hate all of it |
| 04:57.08 | HumanRegret | :D :D |
| 04:58.04 | HumanRegret | The idea I had in my head was I make another instance of UIParent named ADDONPARENT, which inherits the same traits as UIParent but is not a child of UIParent, so you could ultimately switch between UIParent and ADDONPARENT |
| 04:58.13 | HumanRegret | but I'm assuming you cant replace UIParent? |
| 05:08.04 | fewyn | how's everyone doing? |
| 05:09.07 | HumanRegret | good |
| 05:09.09 | HumanRegret | and yourself? |
| 05:12.08 | fewyn | tired |
| 05:12.18 | fewyn | i can't wait for the weekend |
| 05:12.24 | kd3 | guh, back to hella long loading screens. time to figure out what's causing it again |
| 05:12.24 | fewyn | and it's only... weds now |
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| 05:16.30 | Arrowmaster | i no longer have any fucking clue where ill be working in a few weeks, got a raise from current employer and turned down two offers and gave a counter to another only to have them say to give them a chance to get it approved..... |
| 05:20.57 | fewyn | rip Arrowmaster |
| 05:22.34 | Arrowmaster | ill be working, just no idea where |
| 05:22.34 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: So you're saying you could be staying where you are for now? |
| 05:23.05 | Arrowmaster | i could they finally arent underpaying me, i got a 38% raise today |
| 05:23.16 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:23.30 | Torhal | Holy sheit |
| 05:23.40 | Arrowmaster | 15.55 to 21.15 starting beginning of next month |
| 05:24.21 | Cairenn | noice! |
| 05:24.23 | Arrowmaster | 15.55 for what i do is vastly underpaid |
| 05:25.27 | HumanRegret | when loading a texture you have to do the entire path right? Ie, Interface\\AddOns\\MyAddon\\Image.tga ? Because my damn image is showing up as a green box D: |
| 05:26.22 | Semlar | yes |
| 05:26.29 | HumanRegret | got it :D |
| 05:27.16 | Arrowmaster | should finally be able to afford to move to a nice place closer to either work location |
| 05:29.48 | HumanRegret | what do you do Arrowmaster? |
| 05:29.59 | Arrowmaster | NOC technician |
| 05:30.04 | HumanRegret | oh nice |
| 05:30.42 | Arrowmaster | for a very large enterprise network managed service provider |
| 05:31.25 | HumanRegret | I miss my old job :( |
| 05:32.23 | HumanRegret | i use to work as a level 2 service tech for the government where i use to live, it was a mundane task but the pay was great |
| 05:32.28 | HumanRegret | i quit to study full time |
| 05:32.37 | Arrowmaster | which is part of why i might not want to change companies, both target fortune 500 companies as clients but current employer is much much much bigger with some huge clients current in pilot process |
| 05:33.01 | Arrowmaster | taco bell is going to double our number of managed sights when they sign contract |
| 05:33.07 | Arrowmaster | sites |
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| 05:34.43 | HumanRegret | nice :D |
| 05:35.13 | HumanRegret | how does one grab class colors? |
| 05:35.19 | HumanRegret | or do i need to manually set class colors? |
| 05:35.54 | Torhal | ~framexml |
| 05:35.54 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 05:36.02 | Torhal | HumanRegret: Look at Constants.lua |
| 05:52.55 | fewyn | i'm pretty underpaid for what i do |
| 05:52.57 | fewyn | imo |
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| 06:32.51 | Fisker | is forgetful and hugs Cairenn |
| 06:33.06 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 06:37.47 | Simca_ | in 20 minutes we'll see if i've managed the unpossible and shrunk my WoW to its proper size |
| 06:38.03 | Simca_ | (or if i've shredded it into unrecognizable pieces) |
| 06:38.17 | nevcairiel | sounds easier to just re-install it occasionallly |
| 06:38.26 | Fisker | hey Simca_ |
| 06:38.27 | Fisker | i |
| 06:38.28 | Miiru | where's the fun in that? :p |
| 06:38.42 | Simca_ | the problem is the data consumption for some, nevcairiel |
| 06:39.00 | nevcairiel | maybe you should get an ISP thats not literally satan |
| 06:39.06 | Simca_ | I know personally people in canada and australia, who are affected by bandwidth caps and downloading 38 GB is a big deal for them |
| 06:39.41 | Simca_ | at least in australia, your choices are usually satan1 and satan2 |
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| 06:43.33 | Simca_ | (personally, I just want to cause a bit of a stir in the community so blizzard gets off their butt and implements proper garbage collection and stops wasting 15 GB on everybody's hard drive because their space recycling implementation is awful) |
| 06:44.09 | Torhal | recycles Fisker for space. |
| 06:44.19 | Simca_ | apparently, they store the locations and sizes of up to 1090 different free space blocks in CASC that they can reuse |
| 06:44.53 | Simca_ | the problem is that they just use the most recent things to become free, and if the incoming data is larger than any of the slots, it just gets treated normally |
| 06:45.14 | Simca_ | so the most recent slots quickly fill up with tiny free spaces that can never be used for anything |
| 06:45.40 | Simca_ | so recycling happens for the first 2 seconds of a new patch only |
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| 06:46.53 | Simca_ | given that they've had over 2 years to work this out, i think getting on their case about it now is warranted |
| 06:48.24 | Simca_ | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AKtMVBvlaFM/V5hZK_ffrUI/AAAAAAAACms/5_f7eb9UU40inRfmxhzahZi2UBgNSOUXACCo/s2048/%255BUNSET%255D |
| 06:48.48 | Simca_ | 19.752 GB of wasted space in my beta install |
| 06:51.02 | Simca_ | also hey Fisker |
| 06:51.04 | Trela | Where can I get that program? o_o |
| 06:51.42 | Simca_ | when it works, i will let you know |
| 06:51.51 | Trela | Oh, okay. :O |
| 06:52.11 | Simca_ | there are integrity hashes that i have been failing to recalculate properly, and then the battle.net app goes "get those trash data files out of here" |
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| 07:08.14 | Miiru | wtf |
| 07:08.37 | Miiru | the game reactivated every lockout from last week ?! |
| 07:09.40 | [TOM_RUS] | may be not reset yet |
| 07:09.51 | [TOM_RUS] | is it 10 or 11 AM reset now? |
| 07:10.14 | Miiru | it says in the raid panel: resets in 6 days 23 hours |
| 07:11.17 | Miiru | ok relogg seems to have fixed it |
| 07:14.58 | karl_w_w | reloggs cornflakes |
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| 07:17.42 | Miiru | adding zon'ozz does not aggro the whole room anymore |
| 07:33.16 | nevcairiel | which is kinda of sad, i liked killing them all |
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| 07:36.09 | Miiru | those tentacles? :O |
| 07:36.13 | Miiru | i hated them |
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| 07:53.25 | Andols | ~logs |
| 07:53.25 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 07:54.52 | AcidWeb | GetItemInfo() iLevel return value is fubared. |
| 07:58.05 | AcidWeb | http://git.tukui.org/uploads/Elv/elvui/76c755e476/Blizzard_issue_itemlevel.png |
| 07:58.43 | Simca | the return is fine |
| 07:58.56 | Simca | itemID does not control itemlevel any more by itself |
| 07:59.20 | Simca | items have a default itemlevel and then can be modified by bonusIDs, which are embedded in the item/link |
| 07:59.38 | AcidWeb | yes |
| 07:59.51 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.00 | Simca | it should work |
| 08:00.25 | AcidWeb | That changed in 7.x yes? |
| 08:00.35 | Simca | no, not really |
| 08:00.47 | Simca | but it is being used more frequently |
| 08:00.51 | Simca | a lot more frequently |
| 08:01.27 | Simca | basically every item in legion is like that, whereas in WoD it only applied to a few items |
| 08:01.30 | AcidWeb | Thank you. |
| 08:01.48 | Simca | yep, np |
| 08:07.10 | Miiru | http://boujong.net/vrykul.png anyone can translate that? :D |
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| 08:09.06 | AcidWeb | Simca: I can't check it now. So if i provide itemLink as parametr iLevel will include all upgrade levels, valor upgrates etc? |
| 08:09.17 | Simca | yes, it -should- |
| 08:09.34 | Simca | i know it has been broken in the past, but that is the proper functionality |
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| 08:21.03 | AcidWeb | Simca: Well it is still broken or GetContainerItemLink() return wrong link. |
| 08:21.18 | AcidWeb | I need to check it myself in few hours when I will be in-game. |
| 08:22.23 | Simca | could be either, not sure. and yeah, when self-testing you can test if it is GetItemInfo that is wrong by shift-clicking the item in between quotes in into your /dump GetItemInfo("") line |
| 08:24.17 | AcidWeb | That is my plan |
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| 08:28.46 | AcidWeb | Simca: Somebody else checked it. That is not GetContainerItemLink(). |
| 08:29.49 | AcidWeb | |cff1eff00|Hitem:134698::::::::100:257:512:7:2:1723:1678:100:::|h[Enveloping Distinction of the Quickblade]|h|r |
| 08:30.31 | AcidWeb | You can't upgrade this item at all and GetItemInfo() return ilevel 800 |
| 08:32.56 | AcidWeb | Tooltip say 690. |
| 08:33.26 | nevcairiel | the tooltip is the only reliable source for the item level that works with everything |
| 08:46.25 | HumanRegret | Miiru is that Spanish? |
| 08:46.51 | Miiru | I don't know. I don't think that it is supposed to be there |
| 08:47.53 | HumanRegret | btw, do you frequent the love2d irc? |
| 08:47.59 | HumanRegret | your name looks so familiar |
| 08:48.30 | Miiru | nope |
| 08:48.38 | HumanRegret | interesting |
| 09:19.53 | HumanRegret | So I'm trying to use a statusbar to make a health bar, if i use the SetMinMaxValues to do 0,100-1000 or w/e it works fine, but if i do , SetMinMaxValues(0,UnitHealthMax("player")) the statusbar stops showing and i assume it's erroring but i can't tell because nothing is showing up, anyone know why? |
| 09:24.51 | HumanRegret | http://pastebin.com/j8JGR4Wt that works, this does not http://pastebin.com/ES81hu72 , am i not calling maxhealth correctly? |
| 09:26.59 | nevcairiel | maybe you're calling it too early, UnitHealthMax is not available right during login, only a bit later |
| 09:27.09 | HumanRegret | oh okay |
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| 09:27.14 | HumanRegret | makes sense |
| 09:28.22 | nevcairiel | not to mention that the max health can of course change so you need to handle events to update it anyway |
| 09:28.30 | HumanRegret | yep |
| 09:28.42 | HumanRegret | i was just trying to get it on the screen first |
| 09:28.42 | HumanRegret | haha |
| 09:43.59 | Semlar | i used to have it so when i hovered over a healthbar it would show the actual value of their health rather than a percentage |
| 09:44.16 | Semlar | that doesn't appear to be an option any more |
| 09:44.26 | Semlar | you can tell it to turn the numbers on all the time |
| 09:44.37 | Semlar | which covers up the bar so i can't see it |
| 09:49.47 | Semlar | ah i figured it out |
| 09:49.49 | Xuerian | You, of all people, use default unitframes? |
| 09:50.05 | Semlar | addons are a crutch |
| 09:50.17 | HumanRegret | is there a better way to do health bars besides status bars? |
| 09:51.07 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.37 | Andols | I also looks like you are dying :P |
| 09:52.49 | g0urra | wth.. I just used Spirit Link Totem and the game played the c'thun quote "You will die" |
| 09:53.17 | Semlar | i do that a lot |
| 09:53.28 | Andols | Semlar: What is that aim thingy? |
| 09:53.31 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.34 | Semlar | it should be my focus target |
| 09:54.36 | HumanRegret | yeah whats with the crosshair? |
| 09:54.48 | Semlar | part of my nameplates |
| 09:56.23 | Semlar | although i took it out and used the exact same thing for http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22883-Crosshairs.html |
| 09:56.39 | Semlar | but that's to highlight your target |
| 09:58.11 | Andols | Gonna try that, might be good to have sometime :) |
| 09:59.54 | Xuerian | It's true, you aren't dying in that one |
| 10:00.09 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.41 | Andols | Splat :P |
| 10:00.46 | Andols | Are you always recording? :P |
| 10:01.01 | Semlar | usually |
| 10:01.17 | Semlar | i record our kills |
| 10:03.04 | Andols | And Deaths :D |
| 10:03.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.24 | Andols | Don't know what game that is, but wth happened there :P |
| 10:04.45 | Semlar | i got rekt by some guy who came around the corner |
| 10:05.01 | Semlar | i also didn't see that coming |
| 10:06.22 | Semlar | that's warframe, it's a game where you play as a robot ninja in space with guns |
| 10:06.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.10 | Xuerian | I can't make baro's capes look good on anything. |
| 10:08.34 | Semlar | i make everything look good though right |
| 10:08.44 | Xuerian | Everything looks okay on corpses |
| 10:08.49 | Semlar | harsh |
| 10:09.10 | Xuerian | Don't worry though, you make the dead thing look good, so there's that |
| 10:09.21 | Semlar | my fashionframe is top notch |
| 10:09.55 | relaxok | anybody know how outline fontstrings relate to non outline fontstrings in terms of the height/text width/etc? |
| 10:10.25 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 10:10.35 | Semlar | they're either the same size or slightly bigger |
| 10:10.41 | Xuerian | Oh by the way, there's corrupted corpus techs now |
| 10:10.43 | Xuerian | gl |
| 10:10.47 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.39 | relaxok | Semlar: if the font height is 15 does that mean including the outline? |
| 10:11.54 | Semlar | should be easy to check |
| 10:12.04 | relaxok | ? |
| 10:12.15 | Semlar | just make a font string and get its size? |
| 10:12.59 | Semlar | the height you set it to does not include its outline |
| 10:13.10 | Semlar | outline goes around the outside of it |
| 10:14.10 | relaxok | ergh |
| 10:14.40 | Xuerian | top inaros kek |
| 10:14.42 | Semlar | i don't know what GetHeight would return but it would be easy to check |
| 10:15.07 | Semlar | i assume it would be based on the string |
| 10:16.36 | Semlar | that was some sortie where the mobs were doing ridiculous damage |
| 10:16.49 | Semlar | just one shotting people with stray bullets |
| 10:17.05 | Xuerian | ramparts are no joke |
| 10:17.15 | Xuerian | They'll riggity-reck anybody anywhere |
| 10:17.22 | Semlar | i did not bring the right frame |
| 10:17.44 | Semlar | apparently "elemental enhancement" means "deathmachines" |
| 10:18.24 | Semlar | we still somehow managed to get out of there |
| 10:19.02 | Xuerian | Yeah, also "well, time to re-mod my weapon for pure physical. GLAD I BOUGHT ALL THOSE EVENT MODS |
| 10:20.21 | Semlar | no you have to just bring a tonkor to everything |
| 10:20.40 | Semlar | no matter what the mission is |
| 10:21.30 | Xuerian | Tonkor still stronkor but it finally got the nerf - aoe no longer guarantees headshots. No more 99999x crit damages |
| 10:21.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.54 | Semlar | this was the raptor boss with elemental enhancement or something |
| 10:27.51 | Xuerian | Hah, geez. That's pre mag rework, yeah? |
| 10:28.28 | Semlar | yeah that was from a while ago |
| 10:28.42 | Semlar | lucky we got a mag because i tried that fight like 3 times and it was just wrecking groups |
| 10:28.50 | Semlar | and i was not going to hit it with a tonkor |
| 10:29.05 | Semlar | that was a horrible choice |
| 10:29.17 | Xuerian | Mag'd raptor was pretty funny |
| 10:31.36 | nebula | Semlar: what is that? |
| 10:31.44 | nebula | oh warframe |
| 10:31.46 | Semlar | this is now warframe chat |
| 10:33.28 | Semlar | is baro coming this weekend |
| 10:33.42 | Semlar | they were going to adjust his prices |
| 10:34.30 | Xuerian | Yeah baro, with new stock too apparently. They might adjust his prices, but they also just changed prime prices to match the new relic (instead of key) system. 25/35/50/100dc depending on rarity |
| 10:35.32 | Semlar | that's interesting because the announcement they made made it sound like they were changing the price of his items, not blueprints |
| 10:37.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.44 | Semlar | "Baro will re-evaluate his Ducat prices based on the new levels of supply and demand" |
| 10:42.38 | Xuerian | Yes, they might still adjust the ducat prices but with the relative ease of getting uncommon or rare (50 or 100) items now, it's fair to assume they won't (which would also inflate the value of ducat stockpiles) |
| 10:43.21 | Xuerian | I at least don't expect them to adjust them for this visit |
| 10:44.38 | Semlar | i think i have negative ducats |
| 10:47.52 | Xuerian | Yeah I wouldn't say I have much of a "stockpile" either |
| 10:48.47 | Semlar | i can't be bothered to farm things |
| 10:49.16 | Xuerian | It's slightly less annoying now, depending on the open rifts |
| 10:51.05 | Semlar | did the ever put the prices of things or whether you owned them on the rift reward screen |
| 10:51.09 | Semlar | they |
| 10:52.26 | Xuerian | Not yet, last hotfix added showing who had what relics. It's top request now though, I expect they'll add the rarity of the item soon (Which will imply price) |
| 10:52.40 | Semlar | trying to figure out which item you should pick when their ducat price is essentially a coin toss is annoying |
| 10:52.49 | Xuerian | With a 9 second timer? Terribly |
| 10:53.48 | Xuerian | (morbidly) interested to see if they try to slip WW out before august or not |
| 10:54.01 | Semlar | the interface needs so much work |
| 10:54.36 | Xuerian | Yeeeah, it pains me at times |
| 10:54.50 | Xuerian | (most times) |
| 10:54.57 | Semlar | there are little things they could add that would be major quality of life improvements |
| 10:55.11 | Xuerian | Would be cool if they did the thing EVE did with the UI QOL team |
| 10:55.24 | Xuerian | Got a ton of good stuff out of that one |
| 10:57.03 | Semlar | things like "have i leveled this item before" need to be on their icon everywhere |
| 10:59.00 | Xuerian | _everywhere_ |
| 10:59.04 | Semlar | EVERYWHERE |
| 10:59.29 | Semlar | i just mean item icons should be standardized across the interface |
| 10:59.48 | Xuerian | Maybe if they use a good itemid system, I hear blizzard can give them some advice |
| 11:00.28 | Semlar | their interface is kind of annoying to use but i guess it has to work with consoles |
| 11:02.03 | Xuerian | I think it hurts most in the keybinds department. See: ivara, booben, new archwing vomit comet |
| 11:02.31 | Semlar | lol archwing |
| 11:02.41 | Xuerian | XIV has a decent ui and still works with consoles, so it's possible |
| 11:03.06 | Semlar | i don't like what they did to vauban's 2 ability |
| 11:03.26 | Semlar | you tap the button to cycle through it and hold it to actually cast it |
| 11:03.32 | Xuerian | You can invert those now |
| 11:03.41 | Semlar | well that's good because it seems completely backwards to me |
| 11:03.51 | Xuerian | yeah it made more sense for ivara |
| 11:04.16 | Semlar | how am i supposed to troll people with bounce pads if i have to hold the button to cast it |
| 11:04.28 | Semlar | i need to be able to throw them out as fast as possible |
| 11:04.50 | Xuerian | You can actually chuck them pretty quick once you get the timing down |
| 11:05.56 | Xuerian | It'd be great if they let you cast volt's shield into riot position with holding, and took away the channel or movement cost. It's pretty harsh |
| 11:06.14 | Semlar | i wonder if they're ever going to do anything about the fact that skills don't scale at all and many of them are completely useless for certain content |
| 11:06.45 | Xuerian | I hope, but it seems like they're deprecating endless stuff for the most part and sort of reducing the problem that way |
| 11:07.19 | Semlar | just as an example, when would you ever use vauban's tesla balls |
| 11:07.34 | Semlar | they're too weak to kill anything |
| 11:08.04 | Xuerian | Depends on str, but yeah they don't do a lot of damage. He's still one of the strongest endgame anyway though |
| 11:08.28 | Semlar | he's strong because he can CC everything |
| 11:09.21 | Semlar | but to do damage you have to rely on your gun and your abilities may as well not exist |
| 11:10.02 | Semlar | it would be better to have a system where your abilities weren't just made obsolete at some point |
| 11:10.48 | Semlar | i don't know what the best way to do that would be though |
| 11:11.24 | Semlar | i was thinking more along the lines of them scaling to the mission rather than based on your character |
| 11:11.28 | Xuerian | Yeah, it's not a easy ball to unravel |
| 11:12.05 | Xuerian | hopefully scott manages to pull one out of his hat with balance2.0/damage3.0/mods3.0 whatever it's gonna end up being called eventaully |
| 11:12.20 | Xuerian | not a job I envy |
| 11:13.35 | Xuerian | I still enjoy coating lowbies in my balls and setting them loose in low end missions, though. |
| 11:13.52 | Semlar | understandably |
| 11:14.55 | Semlar | equinox has an ability that scales based on the health of the targets you're killing |
| 11:15.34 | Semlar | it's one of the few abilities that continues to actually be usable to damage enemies in higher level content |
| 11:15.54 | Semlar | just because it scales based on the other damage that's being done |
| 11:17.24 | Semlar | it's also quite literally the only button i ever use on that character unless the situation gets to the point where i have to CC people |
| 11:19.31 | Xuerian | Running night form 3 with 2 occasionally makes for relaxed runs without trying to kill everything |
| 11:19.37 | Xuerian | Also the augment for 1 is pretty hilarious |
| 11:19.56 | Xuerian | But yeah, her and Ash have the market cornered on scaling pretty hard |
| 11:20.33 | Semlar | ash basically plays the game while you watch |
| 11:20.50 | Xuerian | Or look away to keep from getting a headache, either way |
| 11:22.09 | Semlar | i generally just play frost though |
| 11:22.29 | Xuerian | 100% armor strip is pretty good |
| 11:22.45 | Semlar | the ice wave augment is really nice |
| 11:23.02 | Semlar | i greatly underestimated how good it was |
| 11:23.07 | Xuerian | Picked it up, haven't tried it yet |
| 11:23.28 | Semlar | it slows enemies down like the cryo floors |
| 11:24.06 | Xuerian | I run a corrosive/cold ssimulor lately, but it'd be handy for when it's hek/tigris time, yeah |
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| 11:24.50 | Semlar | i think most people build frost around making his bubble stronger |
| 11:25.08 | Semlar | i went for huge range, high efficiency, without losing too much duration |
| 11:26.19 | Semlar | the slow from ice wave makes enemies a lot less of a threat |
| 11:26.52 | Xuerian | Yeah. I usually run a mixed armor/power/eff with stock duration. Does the ice wave work through nulli bubbles, no, or get dispelled? |
| 11:27.09 | Semlar | it doesn't affect them |
| 11:27.34 | Xuerian | on that note, nullifiers dispelling bubbles is fun |
| 11:27.35 | Semlar | actually nullifiers dispelling frost's bubble is one of the main drawbacks to a large one |
| 11:28.08 | Xuerian | yeah, cut stretch from the build because of that earlier (And because of the lack of having to run T3+D now) |
| 11:29.23 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.09 | Xuerian | Haha, how? |
| 11:30.40 | Semlar | the stupid mission had a radiation proc so when i cast my bubble on the guy it knocked him way up the wall |
| 11:30.54 | Semlar | and he just got stuck up there |
| 11:31.07 | Semlar | i think he's actually frozen in that clip because of my bubble |
| 11:31.22 | Xuerian | Ah yeah. Those new rad cloud things in the phobos sorties are actually pretty neat |
| 11:31.24 | Semlar | it completely broke the map |
| 11:31.30 | Semlar | the mobs wouldn't leave their starting areas |
| 11:31.45 | Xuerian | Not content to break wow, Semlar moves on to warfarm |
| 11:31.51 | Semlar | >_> |
| 11:31.58 | Semlar | they're just staring at him |
| 11:32.06 | Semlar | they weren't even shooting |
| 11:32.19 | Xuerian | sleek coding |
| 11:32.42 | Semlar | it actually made the mission harder for me, that's the same one i posted a clip from earlier where i die the instant i open one of the doors |
| 11:32.57 | Xuerian | WARFRAME IS FUTURISTIC COOP ACTION SHOOTER. NINJAS PLAY FREE |
| 11:33.02 | Xuerian | I felt that was obligatory at this point |
| 11:33.11 | Semlar | NINJAS PLAY FREE |
| 11:33.28 | Semlar | unless you want more warframe slots |
| 11:33.43 | Xuerian | Then ninjas grind plat. |
| 11:34.24 | Semlar | ninjas have to stoop to pawning items that they find to other ninjas |
| 11:34.30 | Xuerian | Or become trade barons. some of these plat numbers in screenshots blow my mind |
| 11:34.45 | Semlar | i can't believe anyone uses the trade chat |
| 11:35.41 | Xuerian | I did for a bit, when ducats were flush and prices were low. warframe.market is actually alright as long as you get into the buy/sell high compared to trade bit |
| 11:35.52 | Semlar | if it weren't for warframe.market i don't think i would ever make a trade with anyone in that game |
| 11:36.24 | Xuerian | heh yeah, maroo's was a really disappointing feature |
| 11:37.12 | Semlar | they ruined my candycane |
| 11:37.31 | Xuerian | nah it's fine just buy one of the hip sheaths |
| 11:37.37 | Semlar | when they added the ability to buy different weapon holsters they broke the sheath location |
| 11:37.47 | Xuerian | heh I wondered when I looked |
| 11:37.48 | Semlar | it just kind of floats off your body now |
| 11:38.37 | Xuerian | Is it just me or did they take out a lot of the anims that were in the sheath pack when it first launched? |
| 11:38.44 | Xuerian | when they put it back up, that is |
| 11:39.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.20 | Xuerian | I don't see a problem |
| 11:39.23 | Semlar | this is why i can't play video games |
| 11:39.28 | Xuerian | Mag found her way out |
| 11:40.11 | Xuerian | Or are you telling me you didn't like the fragorhead nyx memes? |
| 11:40.18 | Xuerian | (Looks better than the prime helmet) |
| 11:43.49 | Semlar | if i could play as a tonkor instead of a warframe i would |
| 11:44.17 | Semlar | just a disembodied weapon |
| 11:44.31 | Xuerian | I think it's weird how the space magic ninjas theme seems to throw people when it's really diablo with guns |
| 11:44.33 | Semlar | floating around launching grenades at people |
| 11:44.52 | Semlar | hellgate london was diablo with guns |
| 11:45.04 | Xuerian | You'll basically be that with titania. And sure, sure |
| 11:45.11 | Xuerian | hellgate london is also dead |
| 11:45.46 | Xuerian | for better or worse. I hear it was pretty good or something? |
| 11:45.54 | Semlar | it was entertaining |
| 11:49.51 | Semlar | i learned about some of the layout of london |
| 11:51.42 | Xuerian | Oh? |
| 11:52.56 | Semlar | i had no idea they had so many portals to hell |
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| 11:58.43 | Xuerian | Ah, quite |
| 11:59.34 | Semlar | you spent much of the game navigating their subway system |
| 12:03.37 | VIad | hmm, any way to use a toy (in this case, chef's hat) other than clicking the toy frame button? |
| 12:03.55 | VIad | trying to fix my old cooking assist to equip the hat when making food :p |
| 12:04.14 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.41 | VIad | hmm |
| 12:04.51 | Miiru | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UseToy |
| 12:04.53 | VIad | so UseToy is protected but a macro button /use is fine? :p |
| 12:05.12 | VIad | thanks for the tip |
| 12:05.17 | Semlar | maybe even UseItemByName("chef's hat") |
| 12:06.06 | nebula | you can't cast a spell directly, why would you be able to use an item directly? |
| 12:06.07 | VIad | thats protected, like UseToy |
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| 12:06.37 | VIad | nebula: can make a secure button to use the toy and open the cooking frame, or cook the selected recipe |
| 12:06.40 | Semlar | well /use works |
| 12:06.49 | nebula | i'm well aware of how to make it work |
| 12:07.19 | VIad | sorry if I offended you |
| 12:09.41 | VIad | next step is to try figure a way to equip safari hat before entering pet battle :p |
| 12:09.52 | VIad | maybe the click event and some magic |
| 12:10.29 | nebula | are pet battles technically combat? i've never done much with them |
| 12:11.29 | Semlar | no |
| 12:14.51 | VIad | nope dope |
| 12:15.38 | VIad | Semlar: didnt you have a nice example of a preclick hook script? |
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| 12:16.27 | Semlar | you can use SecureCmdWrapScript |
| 12:16.41 | Semlar | or whatever it's called |
| 12:17.06 | Semlar | i think it just called frame:WrapScript anyway |
| 12:26.52 | Semlar | SecureHandlerWrapScript |
| 12:27.34 | HumanRegret | Nothing I do ever works :( man I fucking suck at this shit |
| 12:28.06 | Xuerian | "How am I stupid this time", 95% of my time programming |
| 12:28.15 | HumanRegret | haha |
| 12:28.24 | nevcairiel | acceptance is the first step |
| 12:29.07 | Xuerian | Way past acceptance, it just doesn't stop |
| 12:29.21 | HumanRegret | oh i accept that i suck, i also accept that I'm not going anywhere and i accept that i hate asking people for help because i feel like a burden aha |
| 12:29.33 | HumanRegret | 1 answered question leads to 3 more questions |
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| 12:30.22 | Xuerian | Well the nice thing is most of your questions can be answered with enough google searches or reading of other people's code |
| 12:30.30 | Xuerian | Once that stops being the case, most people can't answer your question anyway |
| 12:30.51 | HumanRegret | i just don't understand other peoples codea |
| 12:31.00 | HumanRegret | and i cant find a simple enough skeleton to look at |
| 12:31.18 | Xuerian | Still stuck on health bars? |
| 12:31.24 | Semlar | you need to build your foundation before attempting to build a house |
| 12:31.40 | HumanRegret | still stuck on health bars haha |
| 12:31.50 | HumanRegret | i tried to register an event but it still doesn't seem to do anything |
| 12:32.20 | Xuerian | Did you set up an event handler? |
| 12:32.46 | HumanRegret | http://pastebin.com/CM02489V i think so, line 16 and 17 and the function is on like 4 |
| 12:34.11 | Semlar | start putting print statements in things so you actually know whether something is happening |
| 12:34.37 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 12:34.48 | Semlar | even if this event handler is being run it's not doing anything except setting the value of PlayerHealth in the Unitframes table |
| 12:35.03 | Semlar | i assume you want it to change the status bar's value |
| 12:35.20 | nevcairiel | HumanRegret: at least you would need to call SetMinMaxValues again after its changed, just changing the variable wont magically change the statusbar |
| 12:36.28 | HumanRegret | is a status bar the best way to do a health bar? |
| 12:36.50 | Semlar | probably |
| 12:37.15 | HumanRegret | it's firing the event, but still not showing up |
| 12:37.27 | HumanRegret | the status bar is invisible unless i manually set a number to minmax |
| 12:38.03 | Semlar | your function isn't doing anything |
| 12:38.21 | Semlar | if you want it to update the status bar you need to put code in it to change the value and range of the status bar |
| 12:38.30 | HumanRegret | oh, i did that, sorry |
| 12:38.34 | HumanRegret | but its still invisible |
| 12:38.53 | Semlar | i don't think it has a background |
| 12:39.11 | Semlar | you're just setting the texture for the fill |
| 12:40.29 | Semlar | you can give the statusbar a backdrop or create a texture on it and set it to the background layer |
| 12:43.48 | HumanRegret | woooooooooooooooooooooooooooow |
| 12:43.53 | HumanRegret | that was the problem this whole time |
| 12:43.55 | HumanRegret | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 12:47.01 | Xuerian | "And that's how I was retarded." |
| 12:47.52 | HumanRegret | "How can i be retarded now" |
| 12:47.56 | Cairenn | If you're creating your own texture/graphic, remember to make the dimensions a power of 2 |
| 12:48.02 | HumanRegret | yep |
| 12:48.05 | HumanRegret | figured that one out |
| 12:48.09 | HumanRegret | shit turns green if its not ahah |
| 12:49.34 | HumanRegret | can you register multiple events to a frame? |
| 12:49.41 | Semlar | yes |
| 12:50.11 | Semlar | when any of the events fires it calls your OnEvent handler |
| 12:50.32 | Semlar | and passes the name of the event to it as the first argument |
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| 13:19.07 | karl_w_w | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/07/the-wrt54gl-a-54mbps-router-from-2005-still-makes-millions-for-linksys/ |
| 13:19.53 | Semlar | i'm still using this router |
| 13:20.54 | Semlar | the fact that it still works after 10 years is probably why people are still buying them |
| 13:21.21 | Semlar | considering the average reliability of networking equipment |
| 13:22.11 | HumanRegret | I've used the same router for years, even when it died from an electricity overload from a storm, replaced it under warranty and it still blooms |
| 13:23.37 | Semlar | i don't have an internet connection fast enough for 802.11g to be an issue |
| 13:24.37 | Semlar | it'll be a sad day when i finally have to replace it |
| 13:26.13 | HumanRegret | lol |
| 13:26.17 | HumanRegret | same same |
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| 13:26.27 | HumanRegret | ill probably be dead before i have to replace my router |
| 13:26.47 | mfgmfg | https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20195220/patch-hotfixes-july-26 new location for hotfix news |
| 13:32.40 | karl_w_w | yeah my combined adsl modem/wireless router is about 7 years old now |
| 13:36.36 | karl_w_w | thing is a beast, has 2 chipsets in and puts out plenty of heat |
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| 16:07.04 | Andols | :( |
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| 16:39.07 | fewyn | i hate when companies do partial rollouts of their new website |
| 16:39.11 | fewyn | it's so jarring |
| 16:39.22 | fewyn | (i'm looking at you blizzard) |
| 16:41.29 | Ressy | wasn't partial. Was totally botched |
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| 16:43.38 | nebula | what happened with it? |
| 16:46.29 | Ressy | 50 pages of feedback/complaints/suggestions & bugs, and it was all ignored and pushed from Overwatch to Wow as-is. |
| 16:46.52 | nebula | seems legit |
| 16:50.45 | Thunder_Child | They did specify it was going to be partial. |
| 16:50.49 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi, is anyone aware of a project similar to https://sourceforge.net/projects/wowuiupdater/ ? I used to use it extensively, and ever since its dead, staying up to date with addons is such a pain |
| 16:51.22 | Thunder_Child | http://minion.mmoui.com/ ? |
| 16:51.35 | Thunder_Child | Oh, scripts |
| 16:54.29 | foxlit | https://sourceforge.net/projects/wuu/ is probably the proper link. |
| 16:55.44 | IsoLnCHiP | Hmm, Ill look into that. What I liked about WoWUIUpdater was it having a technical interface and it being open source. |
| 16:55.54 | IsoLnCHiP | Oh, ups, indeed, foxlit is right, I meant wuu |
| 16:58.01 | IsoLnCHiP | Hmm, Im not happy about the TOS of minion stating they collect information |
| 16:58.38 | IsoLnCHiP | ( well, happy that they bother to mention it, unhappy that they do it ) ;) |
| 17:02.13 | IsoLnCHiP | Ok, so minion was a good starting point for alternatives. :) Does anyone have an opinion on WowMatrix? |
| 17:02.55 | nebula | kill it with fire |
| 17:03.40 | Thunder_Child | It's generally frowned upon around here because of the past actions of the people running it. |
| 17:04.06 | Thunder_Child | The two generally used are minion and the curse client. |
| 17:05.25 | IsoLnCHiP | Ok, fire it is then ;D The link referring to it stated it being open source, but I cant find the source, so thats that for it |
| 17:06.59 | Ressy | People who run wowmatrix are asses |
| 17:07.30 | Ressy | copyright infringement & all |
| 17:08.21 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Ressy |
| 17:08.21 | purl | ACTION sooths Ressy, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Ressy down. |
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| 17:09.53 | Ammako | hi |
| 17:09.59 | Thunder_Child | Hello. |
| 17:10.39 | Ammako | i am having an issue and wondering if anyone may have an idea how to make things work properly |
| 17:11.54 | Thunder_Child | Helps if you share the issue. |
| 17:13.09 | Ammako | trying to do something with the font on the default nameplates |
| 17:13.26 | Ammako | realized that the font size changes depending on whether the Larger Nameplates option is set or not |
| 17:14.09 | Ammako | so i tried using GetFont() to get the font size, because I am changing the font on the nameplate |
| 17:15.23 | Ammako | I want it to be able to be set to a different font size depending on what the users option is so i figured that getting the original font's size that way and then setting it with SetFont(fontName, fontSize, fontFlags) would probably do the trick |
| 17:15.55 | Ammako | so i figured that font size is 11 points when Larger Nameplates is off, and 18 when Larger Nameplates is on |
| 17:16.16 | Ammako | except for some reason GetFont() returns a font size of 30097.01953125 |
| 17:20.35 | Ketho | Ammako: not I understand, but shouldn't GetFont() return the font path? like "Fonts\FRIZQT__.TTF" |
| 17:20.50 | Ammako | fontName, fontHeight, fontFlags = MyFontObject:GetFont() |
| 17:21.01 | Ammako | is what i found |
| 17:21.17 | Ammako | hold on im gonan try something |
| 17:22.38 | Ammako | nevermind, it didnt help. I have an idea of why it happens but I'm not entirely sure how to solve it |
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| 17:23.35 | Ketho | welp, it returned 21931 for normal and 31330 for the larger nameplates for me |
| 17:23.59 | Ammako | i suspect that the game really uses a very large font like this internally and then downsamples it before displaying |
| 17:25.29 | Ammako | wonder why it differs though, could be a difference between EU and NA. I get 21067 for normal nameplates and 30097 for larger |
| 17:27.54 | TheDanW | Ammako: if you look at the definition of the font SystemFont_LargeNamePlate, for example, there is a special flag fixedSize="true" |
| 17:27.56 | Ammako | does anyone have an idea what's the actual variable for the Larger Nameplates option? |
| 17:28.08 | TheDanW | this changes some behavior of the font system |
| 17:28.50 | Ammako | yeah im kind of a noob when it comes to this add-on lua coding thing |
| 17:30.01 | Thunder_Child | You can also always look at how existing nameplate addons do their magic as well. |
| 17:30.12 | Ammako | changing the font the way i do it has some side effects im not a fan of though so im not sure if i'll keep that part in |
| 17:31.04 | Simca | TheDanW: any chance of making GetItemInfo() return an itemlevel parameter that considers bonusIDs and upgrades (when it is passed a link that has that information, anyway) |
| 17:31.53 | TheDanW | there is currently no way to take the return value of a fixed size font and convert it back to pixel height |
| 17:32.20 | TheDanW | for now, your best bet is to make more font definitions of the various sizes you want to support and choose one |
| 17:32.42 | Ammako | is there a way i can detect whether the Larger Nameplates option is on or off? |
| 17:33.01 | Simca | sure, it's a console variable |
| 17:33.04 | TheDanW | Simca: yeah, it's a bug that it doesn't, we didn't notice until 7.0.3 was already half way out the door |
| 17:33.23 | Simca | ah, okay, great! |
| 17:33.24 | TheDanW | Simca: not sure when we'll get a chance to fix it, hopefully for next patch |
| 17:33.35 | Ammako | just i got no clue what that variable name is nor how to figure it out. |
| 17:34.06 | Simca | Ammako: nameplateLargerScale i think |
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| 17:34.13 | TheDanW | it's derived from the cvar NamePlateVerticalScale |
| 17:34.23 | Simca | oh, ok |
| 17:34.30 | TheDanW | look at NamePlateDriverMixin:UpdateNamePlateOptions() |
| 17:35.26 | Ammako | cause i figured out that toggling it on/off seems to change the NamePlateVerticalScale / " " HorizontalScale variables but couldnt find an actual one that tells if the interface option is checked or not |
| 17:37.06 | Simca | nameplateLargerScale is the only cvar that includes the word "larger" |
| 17:37.06 | Ammako | looking for the one that handles whether that box is checked or not |
| 17:37.12 | Simca | so that was my guess |
| 17:37.30 | Simca | from this cvar list: https://www.diffchecker.com/8n7nkotk |
| 17:37.39 | Ammako | yeah i see, it seems to return 1.2 regardless of if i have that option enabled or disabled though :s |
| 17:37.42 | TheDanW | that's for bosses |
| 17:38.12 | TheDanW | the function is defined in InterfaceOptionsLargerNamePlate_OnLoad |
| 17:38.21 | TheDanW | math.abs(tonumber(GetCVar("NamePlateVerticalScale")) - self.normalVerticalScale) < .001 |
| 17:38.52 | TheDanW | nameplates size can be adjusted by a scalar, but is only presented as a checkbox in the options |
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| 17:44.21 | Ammako | so if i just wanted to check whether the Larger Nameplates option is checked or not what would ido |
| 17:50.53 | Ketho | maybe checking for if InterfaceOptionsNamesPanelUnitNameplatesMakeLarger:GetValue() returns "1" |
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| 17:54.12 | Ammako | that seems to be it |
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| 17:56.47 | Ammako | however i have no idea why, but i try to check if InterfaceOptionsNamesPanelUnitNameplatesMakeLarger:GetValue() == 1 , and the condition returns false even if the result is 1 |
| 17:57.08 | TheDanW | use "1" |
| 17:57.14 | Ammako | ah, string |
| 17:57.31 | Thaoky | type() is your friend, happened to me a few times in the past :) |
| 17:57.40 | Ammako | yeah that makes sense, tyvm |
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| 17:59.05 | IsoLnCHiP | Ok, cool, I found a program that seems to do what I want: "waddu" . Slim interface, open source, configurable and maintained. :) |
| 18:00.43 | nebula | https://github.com/Roemer/Waddu/blob/master/Waddu/Core/Mapper.cs holy shit |
| 18:01.04 | Thunder_Child | Yup, that's going to get shit on. |
| 18:01.36 | IsoLnCHiP | lol |
| 18:01.54 | Thunder_Child | dolby: ^ |
| 18:02.04 | IsoLnCHiP | Well, I think thats just the bootstrap. Once it starts it generate an XML mapping file and you can edit the sites there |
| 18:02.41 | IsoLnCHiP | It does however seem a bit odd doing it like that ;) |
| 18:04.40 | Thunder_Child | It might be similar to wowmatrix in that it violates sites. |
| 18:07.41 | Ammako | is it possible to disable that feature of the new nameplates where they slowly fade out the further away you get from them |
| 18:08.00 | Semlar | i'm surprised this has any of my addons on this giant list |
| 18:08.34 | IsoLnCHiP | Thunder_Child: In which way? |
| 18:08.35 | Ammako | hmm i seem to have figured it otu actually but it doesnt seem like that is the cause of the problem i am having |
| 18:09.07 | Semlar | what problem |
| 18:09.27 | Thunder_Child | IsoLnCHiP: Using site bandwidth without giving anything in return. One of the larger issues with the original wowmatrix application. |
| 18:09.30 | nebula | IsoLnCHiP: people making clients to get around actually supporting the sites that host them never get a lot of love |
| 18:10.03 | Semlar | is there some reason you can't use the programs from the addon websites to keep your addons up to date? |
| 18:10.12 | Simca | oh man |
| 18:10.19 | Simca | my addons didn't make the cut |
| 18:10.19 | nebula | Semlar: the nsa |
| 18:10.55 | Semlar | only worldflightmap is on there |
| 18:11.13 | Semlar | i'm not sure how it picks these |
| 18:11.19 | Ammako | awesome ive figured everything out, thanks for the help everyone :D |
| 18:11.19 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: People are always going to look for a one click solution. |
| 18:11.22 | Thaoky | wouldn't it be easier for curse/wowi to have dynamic urls to the add-ons ? (might be a lot of rework depending on their site structure) |
| 18:12.00 | Thunder_Child | They did something to break wowmatrix back in the day. Not sure what that was. |
| 18:12.17 | Simca | it screws users over in the end if you randomize the actual addon page itself |
| 18:12.26 | Simca | randomizing the download url is probably fine |
| 18:12.32 | Thunder_Child | Should poke Kaelten about that as well. |
| 18:12.59 | IsoLnCHiP | nebula: Well, for one, I dont want multiple programs for multiple sites. Secondly, this one is open source, always a plus in my book. |
| 18:13.13 | Thaoky | I guess they'd have to find a way that doesn't disturb the curse client either.. |
| 18:14.21 | IsoLnCHiP | nebula: For minion for example specifically I didnt like the TOS allowing them to query and report my installed programs. |
| 18:14.47 | Thunder_Child | DOesn't blizzard do that as well? |
| 18:14.51 | Simca | yes |
| 18:15.03 | Talyrius | Re: WoW Addon Updater (WADDU) - It's had a thread on the forum since 2008. http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14382 |
| 18:15.45 | IsoLnCHiP | Yes, I am not happy about that either, at least they give their anticheating as a understandable reason. |
| 18:16.04 | IsoLnCHiP | anticheating detection routines* |
| 18:16.40 | Thunder_Child | So you are ok if one service does it, but not another? They pull the same info it sounds like. |
| 18:17.04 | Thunder_Child | Unless Blizz's is just running programs. |
| 18:17.07 | VIad | ^ another wowmatrix client in the works? |
| 18:17.12 | Talyrius | They don't host any files. The user downloads the files. |
| 18:17.15 | VIad | too early for me to get popcorn, or too late? |
| 18:17.26 | Simca | too late |
| 18:17.32 | Thunder_Child | wowmatrix didn't host at the time either...I think. |
| 18:17.39 | Thunder_Child | just scraped. |
| 18:17.52 | fewyn | yep |
| 18:17.56 | VIad | and that was the problem, since the files were downloaded outside the site of the host, so their ads never showed and such |
| 18:17.56 | nebula | yea, thats why curse and wowi went to flash download buttons for awhile |
| 18:17.58 | fewyn | i remember the whole wowmatrix thing |
| 18:18.04 | fewyn | fun times |
| 18:18.20 | IsoLnCHiP | Thunder_Child: Well, I see no reason for minion to actually need that information, thats why. :) |
| 18:18.21 | Simca | nebula: stop i have Flash PTSD |
| 18:18.25 | VIad | I am offended that none of my addons are on that mapper.cs on github |
| 18:18.28 | Simca | it's a very serious condition |
| 18:18.50 | nebula | sorry, i always forget the trigger warning |
| 18:20.06 | IsoLnCHiP | VIad: lol, not sure yet, probably too late ;) |
| 18:20.19 | Talyrius | I don't think very many people use it. I just submitted a PR to include addons I use/have used. |
| 18:20.22 | VIad | the version log was last changed 2008 so :p |
| 18:21.15 | Simca | I would honestly surprised if Minion even collected installed program information |
| 18:21.28 | Simca | would be* |
| 18:21.41 | Ketho | does the current or new curse client even do that |
| 18:21.53 | Simca | no |
| 18:22.00 | Simca | well, i don't know about the new one |
| 18:22.08 | Simca | but I've seen all the stats for the current one, it doesn't |
| 18:22.13 | nebula | (the new one is actually skynet) |
| 18:22.25 | nebula | make sure to tape over your webcam/mics |
| 18:22.46 | Gnarfoz | s/actuall skynet/actually discord/ |
| 18:22.49 | VIad | hopefully with the browser movement to get rid of npapi and flash, skynet might be slowed down a bit |
| 18:22.53 | nebula | pretty much :p |
| 18:23.02 | VIad | google was killing flash too at some point, right? |
| 18:23.02 | Simca | Gnarfoz: yeah it's really unfortunate for them |
| 18:23.20 | Simca | they started work on the voice chat before discord was a thing |
| 18:23.31 | nebula | back then they just wanted to copy slack |
| 18:23.37 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 18:23.48 | Gnarfoz | and they were so slow (as usual) that discord overtook them to a released product :D |
| 18:24.00 | VIad | isnt discord like raidcall and probably tons of other VOIP clients? |
| 18:24.09 | nebula | no idea, never used raidcall |
| 18:24.15 | Simca | nah this was before slack got popular too |
| 18:24.15 | Gnarfoz | "like" in what way? |
| 18:24.23 | VIad | I used it once and have avoided pug raids using it since :p |
| 18:24.24 | Gnarfoz | Simca: EVEN SLOWER, THEN :D |
| 18:24.29 | Simca | yeah |
| 18:24.31 | VIad | was mostly russians using raidcall I thinkl |
| 18:24.31 | nebula | jesus, have they been working on it for like 5 years? |
| 18:24.43 | Simca | 3 years i think |
| 18:24.55 | Gnarfoz | nebula: development must have started shortly before new wowace |
| 18:24.56 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:25.02 | Simca | late 2013-ish |
| 18:25.03 | nebula | http://www.raidcall.com/index.html fuckin russians |
| 18:25.14 | Gnarfoz | what's the Dolby one called again? |
| 18:25.31 | Gnarfoz | Axon |
| 18:25.38 | nebula | oh, i actually used that for a bit for shits |
| 18:26.06 | Simca | i think the desire was born because the entire company used skype to communicate and we all hated it (performance is awful, crashes all the time, huge random latency spikes in cloud chats, etc) |
| 18:26.14 | VIad | am I weird for thinking that teamspeak and mumble are enough for random internet group calls? |
| 18:26.21 | Simca | no |
| 18:26.25 | Gnarfoz | not at all |
| 18:26.27 | nebula | they are for most things |
| 18:26.36 | nebula | BUT THE NEW STUFF HAS EMOJIS |
| 18:26.39 | VIad | OMG |
| 18:26.40 | nebula | AND GIFS |
| 18:26.49 | nebula | game changers. |
| 18:26.54 | VIad | only need embed youtube autoplay for the complete circle |
| 18:26.55 | fewyn | i have a group of friends who still uses ventrillo |
| 18:27.00 | Simca | i use mumble for VOIP with friends often, it's just convenient |
| 18:27.01 | VIad | ventrilo >_> |
| 18:27.07 | Gnarfoz | we have a giphy integration in Slack... ever since that happened, most channels are just /giphy keyword, /giphy other keyword all day long |
| 18:27.11 | fewyn | when was the last time that pos updated? |
| 18:27.11 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: -l |
| 18:27.13 | VIad | just take the binary behind a shed and shoot it |
| 18:27.13 | fewyn | like 2011 |
| 18:27.21 | fewyn | they say mumble doesn't sound good quality wise |
| 18:27.25 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 18:27.28 | nebula | i still have the 8 man max unlicensed server running on one of my boxes for a few people that still use it, lol |
| 18:27.38 | Gnarfoz | that, coming from Ventrilo users, is a bit rich |
| 18:27.39 | Simca | mumble sounds fine |
| 18:27.47 | fewyn | i just don't argue |
| 18:27.53 | VIad | teamspeak allows you to use like 20 out of the box, and 100 if you register for a non profit license, while mumble is open source so free |
| 18:27.55 | fewyn | we've been friends close to 20 years now |
| 18:28.01 | Gnarfoz | considering Ventrilo has the worst built-in delay and is from literally the previous decade :D |
| 18:28.07 | Simca | the entire reason my guild switched from vent is our main tank speaks in a whisper basically the whole time |
| 18:28.09 | VIad | ts/mumble all fine if you ask me. ventrilo is horrible with todays standards. |
| 18:28.21 | Gnarfoz | VIad: I don't thinkt hey give out new non-profit licences anymore |
| 18:28.22 | nebula | funny that people used skype to lower the delay |
| 18:28.27 | fewyn | i've tried to get them to switch a couple time |
| 18:28.29 | Simca | mumble increases his volume automatically so we can actually hear him |
| 18:28.32 | fewyn | never works |
| 18:28.39 | fewyn | http://www.ventrilo.com/ |
| 18:28.45 | fewyn | last post was in 2014 |
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| 18:28.51 | VIad | Gnarfoz: http://npl.teamspeakusa.com/ts3npl.php seems to be available but unsure |
| 18:28.53 | fewyn | last client update in 2011 for the mac version |
| 18:29.07 | VIad | :d |
| 18:29.12 | Gnarfoz | VIad: right, but: "Do you want to rent a TeamSpeak server for your clan, guild, or community? Rent a TS3 server." |
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| 18:29.19 | nebula | also i noticed the 1.3 nightlies for mumble, they finally crumbled and have an option to manually adjust the volume for people |
| 18:29.22 | Gnarfoz | i.e. "for my gaming community" is no longer accepted |
| 18:29.30 | Simca | yeah, i work in stats here and was pulling together the old curse client stats, and it was kind of sad where the mac graph just went from a high point to dead |
| 18:29.31 | VIad | yeah that could be |
| 18:29.52 | Gnarfoz | but at least they (so far) honor old NPLs |
| 18:29.55 | fewyn | i can't wait to see the addon client integrated to the curse app |
| 18:29.58 | Gnarfoz | mine still allows 500 users, I think ^^ |
| 18:30.06 | Zeldo | Mac is coming! |
| 18:30.09 | Zeldo | Soon! (TM) |
| 18:30.12 | nebula | did you ever see it in the previous voice client? |
| 18:30.17 | fewyn | no |
| 18:30.21 | Gnarfoz | Mac is going out, I'm sure :D |
| 18:30.22 | IsoLnCHiP | nebula: Oh, sweet, does the per client volume need an update of the server, or is the client sufficient? |
| 18:30.25 | fewyn | because i didn't use curse app back then |
| 18:30.30 | nebula | IsoLnCHiP: it's client side |
| 18:31.01 | Zeldo | Someone asked but I lost their name |
| 18:31.15 | Zeldo | I checked with the devs, we do collect process information, however only when you submit a bug report |
| 18:31.26 | Zeldo | (This is for the new client) |
| 18:31.28 | nebula | mm i thought i had some screenshots from it, but i guess not |
| 18:31.46 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: shush, we had derailed the original topic quite far, why do you have to get it back on track? :D |
| 18:31.52 | Simca | haha |
| 18:32.05 | VIad | the topic about wowmatrix-ish clients? |
| 18:32.19 | Zeldo | SORRY I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU GUYS THE INFORMATION YOU SEEK |
| 18:32.24 | Zeldo | IâLL LEAVE |
| 18:32.30 | Simca | <3 |
| 18:32.32 | nebula | like we can trust THE MAN |
| 18:32.40 | Zeldo | omg pls donât even |
| 18:32.42 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo is THE MAN?! |
| 18:32.48 | Zeldo | headdesks |
| 18:32.52 | IsoLnCHiP | lols |
| 18:33.14 | Gnarfoz | did it ever occur to you that Zeldo might be THE WOMAN? |
| 18:33.16 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 18:33.22 | IsoLnCHiP | Zeldo: Curseclient or Minion? |
| 18:33.23 | nebula | i don't judge |
| 18:33.49 | VIad | wait I was wrong - teamspeak has 32 slots by default for self hosting |
| 18:34.02 | VIad | thats like, 24 more than ventrilo free version :p |
| 18:34.20 | Zeldo | Iso, Curse App (The new one coming to alpha soon) |
| 18:34.26 | Zeldo | The old client doensât collect any info AFAIK |
| 18:34.34 | fewyn | i guess i should put pants on |
| 18:34.39 | fewyn | i have to head for work shortly |
| 18:34.42 | Zeldo | Who needs pants? |
| 18:34.49 | VIad | new curse client coming with privacy invasive routines? |
| 18:34.51 | fewyn | people who have to actually go to the office |
| 18:34.53 | Gnarfoz | not this guy! |
| 18:35.04 | nebula | i'm at the office, without pants |
| 18:35.14 | Zeldo | If you donât want to submit a list of processes then just donât submit a bug report :D |
| 18:35.20 | Gnarfoz | VIad: yes, it'll tweet out all your dickpicks. |
| 18:35.22 | Gnarfoz | and take new ones. |
| 18:35.29 | Zeldo | Itâs so we can determine the issue, otherwise we donât use the info |
| 18:35.41 | fewyn | stop spying on my porn Zeldo |
| 18:35.45 | Zeldo | The only thing its used for atm is to show a list of incompatible processes (read shitty a/v) |
| 18:36.02 | VIad | what about the current client, when you submit the report? |
| 18:36.07 | Zeldo | No one wants to see what porn you are watch fewyn |
| 18:36.25 | Zeldo | Vlad, I am not sure |
| 18:36.29 | VIad | submitted the crash reports I have had, probably not seen by anyone :p |
| 18:36.36 | Gnarfoz | Zeldo: it includes a list of all A/V software? ^^ |
| 18:36.54 | Zeldo | Hahaha |
| 18:38.23 | Simca | latest attempt at rebuilding my CASC archives was at least partially successful. http://imgur.com/NaoMJtW green = files in the rebuilt archives that Battle.net accepted; gray = files in the rebuilt archives that Battle.net rejected and deleted |
| 18:38.37 | VIad | Simca: is that some modern art of some kind? |
| 18:38.43 | Gnarfoz | that's a fancy wall decoration |
| 18:38.55 | VIad | make wallpaper out of it |
| 18:39.02 | Simca | it's a graph of accepted vs rejected blocks of data |
| 18:39.17 | Simca | the fact that there is a pattern is actually probably significant |
| 18:39.27 | Gnarfoz | are you trying to build their missing garbage collection mechanism for them? |
| 18:39.33 | Simca | i must have one of the hashing formulas slightly wrong |
| 18:39.37 | Simca | yeah |
| 18:40.51 | Zeldo | I am confused as to what this is supposed to show |
| 18:40.54 | Zeldo | or what you are trying to do |
| 18:41.17 | VIad | sorry to go off topic, but, we all love the new nameplate system |
| 18:41.33 | VIad | but we should get an update on the chat bubbles too :p |
| 18:41.37 | Tentacled | Guys, or especially TheDanW (sorry to bug you so much, really) - is there a way to check if GetItemInfo()/GetSomethingItemLink() will cause a server query? Working with a bloody large number of items, I'm trying to get it to prioritize items available over unavailable, so as not to let the game purge the item cache on me. |
| 18:42.11 | Simca | Zeldo: I am trying to deflate WoW installations back to their proper size of 36 GB. Most installs are up over 52 GB after the Legion patch, which is ridiculous. |
| 18:42.50 | Thaoky | Tentacled: GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:"..itemId..":0:0:0:0:0:0:0") |
| 18:42.57 | Thaoky | if that still works |
| 18:43.05 | Gnarfoz | Simca: I just reinstalled when 7.0 came :D |
| 18:43.07 | Semlar | that would cause a server query |
| 18:43.12 | Thaoky | that used to |
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| 18:43.17 | Simca | yeah Semlar is correct |
| 18:43.20 | foxlit | Simca: it seems like it'd be far easier to make your local install pretend to be a CDN host and have the app handle the install for you. |
| 18:43.21 | VIad | it still does |
| 18:43.33 | Semlar | any function to get cached item information also queries the server as far as i know |
| 18:43.46 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: basically reinstalling with the local data as the source? |
| 18:43.54 | foxlit | yes |
| 18:44.05 | VIad | and weird thing is, if you query a npc that you have seen, it still queries the server :p |
| 18:44.09 | Andols | Simca: So you are saying the folder should be 36 GB? |
| 18:44.13 | Andols | Not 52 :P |
| 18:44.17 | Simca | yes |
| 18:44.18 | Zeldo | Why put so much work into it when you can just reinstall? |
| 18:44.34 | foxlit | 36GB/8mbps in hours |
| 18:44.42 | VIad | my data folder is 50gb |
| 18:44.43 | Simca | eh it's only been like 5-6 hours of work so far |
| 18:44.49 | foxlit | =10 |
| 18:45.05 | Zeldo | Only 6 hours of work so far instead of just hitting a few buttons? o.O |
| 18:45.07 | Andols | I think i will join you foxlit with reinstalling, SSD space is valubale space |
| 18:45.07 | Zeldo | is confused |
| 18:45.18 | Tentacled | Thaoky: wait, that's how gametooltips normally work(ed) - you're saying it WON'T cause an item-data event? |
| 18:45.18 | Simca | it's not for me, it's for the community |
| 18:45.32 | Semlar | you're confused about why people don't want to redownload 50gb of game files every time they want to clean up their installation? |
| 18:45.40 | Zeldo | Yes |
| 18:45.40 | Zeldo | :D |
| 18:45.41 | Gnarfoz | Andols: is it? not really... the problem is that reinstalling takes a while because not everyone has 100 Mbit/s :O |
| 18:45.46 | Semlar | what's your internet speed? |
| 18:45.53 | Zeldo | Does it get polluted that often? |
| 18:46.01 | VIad | expansions only |
| 18:46.02 | Gnarfoz | every time they change something, basically? |
| 18:46.07 | Simca | Tentacled / Thaoky: the behavior of gametooltips changed in 6.0 |
| 18:46.11 | Thaoky | I'm saying it used to, haven't tried it in a while, I think it still does, the others stated it still does.. easy to try :) |
| 18:46.17 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/yZVuuQy.png |
| 18:46.19 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't seem to delete anything, ever |
| 18:46.35 | Zeldo | What site is that mfgmfg o.O |
| 18:46.39 | Gnarfoz | speedtest.net |
| 18:46.42 | mfgmfg | speedtest.net (beta) |
| 18:46.45 | Zeldo | Oh they changed it |
| 18:46.58 | Andols | Only got 3 gigs left on the wow SSD (and that is also system drive :/ ) |
| 18:46.59 | Gnarfoz | it's the html5 version |
| 18:47.00 | Thunder_Child | Hasn't Blizz done compression/purges to the wow dir before? |
| 18:47.12 | Gnarfoz | Andols: so you have another one... move it? also, SSDs are so cheap now :O |
| 18:47.22 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: not that I'm aware of |
| 18:47.24 | nebula | Thunder_Child: no, not really, not since they converted it |
| 18:47.35 | Gnarfoz | the only "reorganization" was the actual move from MPQ to CASC |
| 18:48.00 | Thaoky | what are you trying to do exactly, Tentacled ? |
| 18:48.03 | Gnarfoz | sidenote: same problem for all other CASC games, too |
| 18:48.37 | Zeldo | Pretty slow Semlar https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9ynwqd4tb8z2uu/Screenshot%202016-07-27%2011.48.24.png?dl=0 |
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| 18:48.58 | Simca | foxlit: problem is that local archives and online archives are different format |
| 18:49.09 | Simca | and local indices and online indices are in a different format |
| 18:49.30 | Thrae|pc | What's a good resource to find the possible parameters to GetPartyAssignment("assignment", "unit")? Since it's erroring for me and WoWWiki doesn't have it. |
| 18:49.31 | Andols | Gnarfoz: I got other games on that one :P But i got a 100 Mbit/s :P |
| 18:49.48 | foxlit | Simca: neither of those things is a problem. |
| 18:50.27 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPartyAssignment |
| 18:50.28 | Simca | you have to redirect traffic from specific points in an online file to specific points in a local archive |
| 18:51.02 | Thaoky | anyone familiar with API functions that deal with real realm name & short realm name ? I trying to find a match between both, but can't (ex: my realm = "Marécage de Zangar", short name = "MarécagedeZangar") |
| 18:52.23 | Simca | I think it's totally doable, but I don't see it being any less challenging than moving file pieces around and calculating a pair of hashes |
| 18:52.51 | nebula | Thaoky: there's no api for shortening the name, just removing spaces and hypens is usually what works |
| 18:53.18 | Tentacled | Thaoky: I want to approach the item cache and grab as many items that are already in it, specifically without querying for any new items, which would purge some old entries from it. |
| 18:53.21 | Thrae|pc | Semlar: Oh right! Thanks |
| 18:53.48 | foxlit | (The difference is that I already have all of the online/offline reading infrastructure, and remapping between the two can be done in like 20 lines; throw in a web server and you're done) |
| 18:53.49 | Thaoky | nebula: I thought about that, most likely would be ok in FR & EN, not sure about other languages though, especially RU & Asian languages :s |
| 18:54.23 | nebula | ru is fine, asian doesn't use hypens or spaces, so probably gonna be ok :p |
| 18:54.34 | Tentacled | asian uses English as slugs |
| 18:54.45 | foxlit | (On the other hand, I'm pretty sure there are parts of index files I don't even touch, so that would involve figuring out what is a hash of what to be able synthesize them, which actually involves some troublesome trial-and-error) |
| 18:54.46 | Tentacled | alongside theirs. |
| 18:55.51 | Thaoky | Tentacled: ouch, I doubt you have any way to know about that, there's nothing that tells you if an item is already in the cache, and you cannot know if the game will itself query for item info for whatever reason :s |
| 18:55.56 | Simca | at the moment, i am simply recreating archives as I delete them, then deleting all the idx files and shmem |
| 18:56.04 | Simca | and letting the battle.net app regenerate them |
| 18:56.35 | Thaoky | nebula: then I guess I might give a try at simply removing spaces, thanks :) |
| 18:56.41 | Simca | which is very inefficient, ofc. long-term i'd just rewrite the idx files myself |
| 18:59.11 | Simca | honestly though, i hope it's kind of the thing where: I work on it for a couple more hours this weekend, release a proof of concept on reddit, people get mad at blizzard, blizzard finally gets off their butt after 2 years and fixes this problem |
| 18:59.28 | Simca | that is what i hope happens |
| 18:59.35 | Gnarfoz | 50 gold on "they already have this lying around internally" |
| 19:00.36 | nebula | yea, right next to the new and improved opengl renderer |
| 19:00.38 | Primer | wow, so you can use goblin glider in random bgs, but you can't use the engineering cape? seriously? |
| 19:00.49 | Gnarfoz | nebula: openwhat. nobody needs that. ^^ |
| 19:03.19 | Tentacled | Thaoky: right, that's why I said it would be tricky :P |
| 19:03.36 | Thaoky | yeah, hadn't seen your original question :) |
| 19:04.37 | Simca | Tentacled: hardcode a list of what items are naturally in the game dbs |
| 19:04.49 | Simca | i'm sure keeping it up to date will be a fun job |
| 19:05.03 | Tentacled | HOWEVER, to push the point further: GetAuctionItemLink() is also a possible querier, BUT GetAuctionItemInfo()'s last return is "isComplete" - is it possible for this return to ultimately become FALSE after a while, despite being TRUE already? |
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| 19:05.31 | Tentacled | (That's probably totally for TheDanW) |
| 19:10.58 | Thaoky | Tentacled: the only place where I see that last param being used is in Blizzard_AuctionUI.lua, and it's followed by this : if ( not hasAllInfo ) then --Bug 145328 |
| 19:11.08 | Thaoky | ain't promising :) |
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| 19:14.15 | Mischanix | foxlit: which hashes are you curious about? i think i know all of them now |
| 19:19.10 | Simca | ^ literal wizard |
| 19:20.01 | Simca | probably would have taken me an entire week to work out what he did in an hour or less |
| 19:20.24 | Thrae|pc | Hmm "/usetalents" doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 19:20.45 | Gnarfoz | Simca: burn the witch? |
| 19:24.02 | Thrae|pc | SetSpecialization() does, they must've added a new slash command |
| 19:24.21 | foxlit | Mischanix: none in particular; I just noted that there are parts of local indices that I don't use while reading data. |
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| 19:36.45 | Simca | i've noticed a lot of the header parts in the local indices are always exactly the same |
| 19:36.57 | Simca | I think they must almost all be parts of enums |
| 19:37.10 | Simca | like 'Platform', and 'Locale', and 'Branch' and stuff |
| 19:38.57 | Mischanix | much of the file header is describing the sizes of fields in the records |
| 19:40.04 | Simca | weird |
| 19:40.50 | Mischanix | same kind of thing is used for most of the casc file formats |
| 19:40.56 | Simca | well every idx file on my pc for every game is like: 10 00 00 00 ** ** ** ** 07 00 0C 00 04 05 09 1E |
| 19:41.08 | Simca | at least all the ones i looked at |
| 19:41.36 | Simca | so maybe the field sizes can change in theory but blizzard never does |
| 19:53.06 | Simca | hm |
| 19:53.15 | Simca | curseforge emails me to inform me of a comment update |
| 19:53.26 | Simca | when I was the commenter |
| 19:53.37 | nevcairiel | yeah subscriptions are a bit silly like that |
| 19:54.57 | Mischanix | ah, bucket index for a hash is the first 8 bytes of the hash xored together and then the two nibbles of that value xored together |
| 19:56.43 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: s/subscriptions are/curseforge is/ |
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| 20:19.32 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/alanzeino/status/758209842477604864/photo/1 hmm |
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| 20:43.01 | Andols | I think there is supposed to be stuff here http://i.imgur.com/mJs5djG.png |
| 20:43.05 | Andols | Like trees :P |
| 20:43.59 | Thunder_Child | That's some serious deforestation. |
| 20:57.31 | Tentacled | Someone's gotta stop these goblins. |
| 20:58.21 | Torhal | Simca: Did you shred your files? |
| 21:01.59 | kd3 | damn it, wow. be consistent. trying to figure out which addon's causing long loads and just not getting consistent results |
| 21:03.48 | TheDanW | Tentacled: there is nothing exposed via the addon API to know if item data is in memory, on disk or on the server - i also wouldn't expect something like that to be added |
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| 21:14.41 | Mischanix | Will we ever get build-uid / build-name back in the build configs? :( |
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| 21:16.29 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: have you ever heard about the bug where addons randomly lose their SVs/all settings are wiped? |
| 21:17.09 | Stanzilla | I finally have data that repros that |
| 21:17.12 | Thunder_Child | Stanzilla: I had that happen but I just assumed it was a result of upgrading the addon. |
| 21:17.15 | Stanzilla | and it's caused by a backspace character in the SV |
| 21:17.23 | Torhal | Stanzilla: You mean the one that crops up every once in awhile since Classic? |
| 21:17.31 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 21:17.35 | Torhal | >.> |
| 21:17.49 | Stanzilla | if you manually remove the backspace character, it works again |
| 21:18.23 | Infus | ah you looked at the github ticket? |
| 21:18.27 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 21:18.32 | Stanzilla | I was talking with him on discord |
| 21:19.07 | Stanzilla | this is the first time I was able to get data from someone that complained about his SVs getting nuked |
| 21:19.25 | nevcairiel | i usually just ignore them since there is nothing i can do |
| 21:19.55 | Stanzilla | well if the engine could make sure that those files can't be written to SVs |
| 21:19.58 | Stanzilla | wouldnt that fix it? |
| 21:20.04 | Stanzilla | s/files/characters |
| 21:20.26 | foxlit | if you're suggesting an engine fix, why do anything other than fixing the loader? |
| 21:20.51 | Stanzilla | I should have said "the game" since I have no idea which part does what |
| 21:20.52 | Stanzilla | but yeah |
| 21:20.57 | nevcairiel | it shouild not write out broken characters, why fix the loader to ignore garbage instead of fixing the writer to write garbage |
| 21:21.12 | nevcairiel | not write garbage* |
| 21:21.21 | foxlit | presumably it's not garbage? |
| 21:21.49 | nevcairiel | there is a backspace character in a table structure, not inside a string or anything, how is that not garbage |
| 21:22.22 | foxlit | oh. I was assuming a string. |
| 21:22.24 | Mischanix | why does it write a backspace there? |
| 21:22.48 | Stanzilla | that's the question TheDanW can hopefully answer |
| 21:22.56 | Mischanix | where is it in particular, token wise? |
| 21:23.03 | Mischanix | table key name, table delim? |
| 21:23.10 | Stanzilla | in front of a table name |
| 21:23.13 | Infus | context: https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/issues/81 |
| 21:23.30 | Stanzilla | oh I thought it linked that but it was the other channel |
| 21:23.31 | Stanzilla | my bad |
| 21:23.41 | Mischanix | first thought is 08 is suspiciously close to 09 |
| 21:23.49 | Mischanix | cosmic rays? |
| 21:23.51 | Mischanix | :P |
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| 21:24.30 | Gnarfoz | bit flips are real |
| 21:24.39 | nevcairiel | its definitely a possibility |
| 21:24.42 | Mischanix | yeah it very well could just be that |
| 21:24.51 | Aftermathh | Good evening people :) |
| 21:30.17 | Stanzilla | could still protect against that on the blizzy side imo |
| 21:30.22 | Stanzilla | or not? |
| 21:30.26 | Stanzilla | ignore during loading? |
| 21:30.31 | foxlit | no. |
| 21:30.55 | Stanzilla | no? |
| 21:30.56 | foxlit | If memory/disk is flipping bits on you, it's just as likely to hit something that's structurally relevant. |
| 21:32.13 | Mischanix | clearly we just need corruption-resistant savedvariables, gogo |
| 21:32.26 | Semlar | i don't think so, if the file is invalid it shouldn't be loaded |
| 21:32.47 | nevcairiel | well if you care, build a system with ecc memory and a self-checking file system |
| 21:33.06 | Mischanix | and yeah, should be considered lucky a bit wasn't flipped that would ruin the whole disk |
| 21:34.19 | Mischanix | one thing i am curious about is this particular instance, why backspace isn't considered whitespace by lua_load |
| 21:35.23 | foxlit | it generally isn't considered whitespace by anything. |
| 21:35.29 | Mischanix | yeah i suppose not |
| 21:37.32 | Guill | Doesn't really look like a flipped bit to me. It's not like it's replacing the tab that's supposed to be there, it's in addition to the correct number of tabs |
| 21:37.47 | Aftermathh | Hey everyone i have little problem with strata problem, i've tried with SetFrameStrata + SetFrameLevel but without results, anyone that know how to fix this? =) http://imgur.com/a/KbJJp - http://hastebin.com/ipajuvuhon.lua |
| 21:38.16 | nevcairiel | Guill: actually it does replace the proper tab |
| 21:38.24 | Mischanix | Guill: it is replacing a tab: https://drop.furl.cc/jWZwc |
| 21:38.28 | nevcairiel | its two tabs + one BS, in contrats to three tabs otherwise |
| 21:38.34 | nevcairiel | contrast* |
| 21:39.04 | Guill | Oh, yup. My bad, misread it |
| 21:39.43 | Guill | Yeah, definitely seems like it's probably just a flipped bit then. Not a great way for us to handle that :( |
| 21:40.19 | Guill | Don't think we're really going to start storing SV with some sort of error-correcting encoding :P |
| 21:40.41 | Mischanix | Could maybe notify the user better when loading variables fails, that's all I can think to do |
| 21:40.51 | foxlit | a working backup scheme for svs would be nice, though. |
| 21:41.11 | nevcairiel | i never understood whats the point of the bak files if they only get created once and never updated |
| 21:41.13 | Gnarfoz | that reminds me... I should reinstate my SV backup script |
| 21:41.36 | Semlar | what, you wanted something more recent than the first time your variables changed? |
| 21:42.11 | Thunder_Child | ~whalenutshot Semlar |
| 21:42.11 | purl | ACTION drops a vastly obese whale named Ricardo on Semlar's family jewels |
| 21:42.14 | foxlit | psst, someone should write a library to submit addon error reports through in-game twitter integration. |
| 21:42.24 | nevcairiel | please no |
| 21:43.07 | Mischanix | Technically the reason the bak fails is because the bak file already exists |
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| 21:44.21 | Mischanix | Guess someone wrote it and noone ever thought about it again? hehe |
| 21:44.28 | foxlit | nevcairiel: think automatic backtrace stuff, not user text. |
| 21:44.40 | nevcairiel | foxlit: in 140 chars? |
| 21:44.45 | foxlit | they let you attach screenshots |
| 21:45.10 | Gnarfoz | huge qr-code or something. :P |
| 21:45.10 | foxlit | you could do some clever encoding in images, probably violating the ToS of everyone involved. |
| 21:46.29 | Thunder_Child | hah, an in-game steganography lib just for submitting bug reports via images. |
| 21:46.46 | Gnarfoz | that's what I was thinking of just now, hehe |
| 21:46.48 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: a QR code holds 406 bytes of data ... a bit more then a tweet, but not much =p |
| 21:47.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: really? aren't they basically arbitrarily scalable? |
| 21:48.52 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: not withing the standard apparently, although the 406 isnt the maximum, thats 2953 bytes with minimal error correction |
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| 21:49.41 | Gnarfoz | look at what people can do within 4 KiB and say that's not enough for a bug report! ^^ |
| 21:50.48 | Mischanix | psh, you can fit plenty more inside a twitter jpeg |
| 21:52.03 | Stanzilla | Guill: ok thanks, a bit sad, I get such bug reports very often, so something that would filter out invalid chars and let the SV continue loading would already help |
| 21:52.43 | Guill | Stanzilla: The issue is, like foxlit said, you're just as likely to get a different (but valid) character that's really hard to differentiate |
| 21:53.18 | Stanzilla | yeah :/ |
| 21:56.12 | Gnarfoz | the EJ hardware problems thread ("Fix my computer") was appropriately subtitled "it's probably your RAM" ^^ |
| 21:56.54 | Mischanix | big transistor field, little cosmic ray |
| 21:58.31 | Mischanix | just think, there's probably some forced-0 lsbs somewhere else on that computer |
| 21:58.34 | Mischanix | terrifying |
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| 22:01.48 | Aftermathh | Hey everyone i have little problem with strata problem, i've tried with SetFrameStrata + SetFrameLevel but without results, anyone that know how to fix this? =) http://imgur.com/a/KbJJp - http://hastebin.com/ipajuvuhon.lua |
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| 22:21.44 | Semlar | Simca: does one of these files have a list of what spells a hunter pet family has |
| 22:22.33 | Semlar | it doesn't seem to be creature family |
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| 23:29.05 | kd3 | ugh, this extra ~100ms of latency is really throwing me off. thanks comcast |
| 23:35.26 | Aftermathh | i Do anyone mind helping me? I have a little problem with strata, i've tried with SetFrameStrata + SetFrameLevel but without results, anyone that know how to fix this? =) http://imgur.com/a/KbJJp - http://hastebin.com/ipajuvuhon.lua |
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| 23:58.25 | Jamash | it's been a while |
