| 00:00.03 | nevcairiel | which in games like wow on a 144hz screen is hard, it just scales so badly in some situations |
| 00:00.04 | znf | wants nevcairiel's titan gpu thingie |
| 00:01.02 | VIad | my lowest fps experiences are actually alone in garrison |
| 00:01.06 | VIad | with settings on max |
| 00:01.10 | VIad | easily 40fps :d |
| 00:01.42 | znf | I see you don't raid :D |
| 00:04.06 | znf | ...I have a sudden desire to buy a laser engraver |
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| 00:14.36 | VIad | I raid |
| 00:14.40 | VIad | but I dont play with game at max |
| 00:14.51 | VIad | play it around medium so it looks and feels good overall |
| 00:15.36 | znf | is it wrong that I want one of this as a 30yo "adult"? http://www.gearbest.com/puzzle-educational/pp_170783.html |
| 00:16.08 | Primer | yes |
| 00:19.23 | znf | Primer, why? :( |
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| 00:26.36 | Gnarfoz | it's not, you can buy/want whatever the fuck you want |
| 00:30.42 | Primer | znf: I just like being anti |
| 00:31.22 | Primer | I'm an old man that plays video games... |
| 00:31.32 | Primer | My wife still gets on my ass for that |
| 00:31.52 | znf | well, get comfy on the couch |
| 00:32.01 | znf | and tell her she still wears make-up like little girls |
| 00:35.44 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 00:38.23 | Arrowmaster | and i think i broke google play on my phone |
| 00:38.28 | Gnarfoz | znf: indeed |
| 00:39.33 | Gnarfoz | "video games are for kids" is laughable |
| 00:42.04 | znf | So, can someone confirm the maximum number of champions they can get? |
| 00:42.13 | znf | My UI says 5, but the interview said 6 |
| 00:43.07 | nevcairiel | the interview just said 6 because the question stated 6, humans are funny like that |
| 00:43.20 | nevcairiel | the question wasnt what the absolute limit was, it just was why the limit exists |
| 00:44.33 | znf | Meh |
| 00:48.25 | [TOM_RUS] | they reset artifact research time back to 5 days on beta? |
| 00:49.26 | znf | I'm still at 24h |
| 00:49.32 | znf | what's your rank? |
| 00:49.35 | [TOM_RUS] | it was 1 day before this "test" |
| 00:49.55 | [TOM_RUS] | and now it says 6 days to complete |
| 00:50.08 | znf | on the same level? |
| 00:50.19 | znf | I have 59 minutes until I complete Rank10 |
| 00:50.26 | [TOM_RUS] | yes |
| 00:50.36 | nevcairiel | they explained how the timing of AK research works in the Q&A earlier today |
| 00:50.50 | [TOM_RUS] | I started owrkorder last night, it should have completed by now |
| 00:50.55 | nevcairiel | it gets faster the lower your level is, compared to a "reference" level |
| 00:50.58 | [TOM_RUS] | buy it says 1 day 20h left |
| 00:51.05 | [TOM_RUS] | and 6 days for both of them |
| 00:51.27 | nevcairiel | so one might be faster then the next one |
| 00:52.14 | znf | the Fishbrul is awesome |
| 00:52.16 | znf | 17k/tick! |
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| 00:58.34 | Gnarfoz | heh, the cloak of coordination is just a white sheet if you're not in a guild |
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| 01:01.57 | Arrowmaster | found this sitting out around here |
| 01:01.58 | Arrowmaster | http://www.tradenetclassics.com/vdp.php?classics=1976-Chevrolet-Corvette%20Stingray-&id=114124 |
| 01:02.16 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck keeps a corvette in that good of condition with an automatic transmission |
| 01:02.51 | znf | beautiful |
| 01:02.55 | relaxok | people from the 70s |
| 01:02.55 | znf | uncomfortable as fuck, but nice |
| 01:03.25 | relaxok | the people that brought you shag carpeting |
| 01:03.53 | Gnarfoz | Dalaran being bombarded reminds me of the various Goa'uld bombardments from SG-1 |
| 01:09.06 | Torhal | So my Steam Link bricked itself after initial setup. Awesome. |
| 01:10.07 | Torhal | I got to see a slick UI, set my language and set up the networking, then it started a firmware update. Afterward, it just sat at the boot screen. |
| 01:10.21 | Torhal | :/ |
| 01:11.04 | mckenziemc | too much cat hair |
| 01:11.21 | Torhal | ... |
| 01:11.22 | Torhal | You're bad. |
| 01:12.05 | Fisker | I'm sorry Torhal |
| 01:12.15 | Fisker | Mine works fine though if it helps |
| 01:12.22 | Torhal | :O |
| 01:12.54 | Torhal | I started an RMA request. We'll see how many days their stellar support team takes to get to it. |
| 01:13.02 | Torhal | I should have grabbed it through Amazon. |
| 01:13.08 | Fisker | Hahahaha |
| 01:13.13 | Fisker | You think it'll only take days |
| 01:13.16 | Fisker | That's cute |
| 01:13.25 | Torhal | A month is multiple days, Fisker. |
| 01:13.46 | Fisker | Sure but you stop calling it days after a week |
| 01:14.01 | Torhal | There have been no accidents in 180 days. |
| 01:15.02 | mckenziemc | returns Fisker on the 30th day. |
| 01:15.21 | Torhal | There are no refunds or returns, mckenziemc. |
| 01:15.31 | Torhal | Fisker will always be as-is. |
| 01:16.00 | mckenziemc | i can still return him |
| 01:16.03 | Fisker | Adjusted my tax returns so I'll be filthy rich for the rest of the year Torhal |
| 01:16.51 | Torhal | You siphoned from mckenziemc again? |
| 01:19.29 | Fisker | Nah |
| 01:20.11 | Fisker | I miss Ressy |
| 01:21.27 | Fisker | Anyway I just made sure my tax deduction for driving was added |
| 01:21.35 | Fisker | Instead of waiting until the end of the year |
| 01:25.49 | mckenziemc | so you'll be poor next year |
| 01:35.47 | Stanzilla | Torhal: steam support is the most incompetent shit ever |
| 01:36.00 | Torhal | That's what I've heard. |
| 01:36.02 | Stanzilla | I'm only getting macro answers for stuff unrelated to my problem for a month now |
| 01:36.21 | Torhal | I had a feeling I should have gotten the damn thing from Amazon. |
| 01:36.30 | Torhal | But it was on sale and out of stock on Amazon. |
| 01:36.32 | Stanzilla | or just an xbox controller |
| 01:36.51 | Torhal | No, the Link. |
| 01:36.52 | Torhal | Not the Controller. |
| 01:36.59 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
| 01:37.21 | Torhal | I have a couple of XBox controllers and even some Logitech ones. |
| 01:37.23 | Torhal | I did get the controller, just because, but my Link bricked itself after the initial setup. |
| 01:37.36 | Torhal | "Updating" and then sitting at the boot screen forever afterward. |
| 01:39.42 | Stanzilla | I dont even know what the link does |
| 01:39.47 | Stanzilla | chromecast-ish? |
| 01:39.54 | Torhal | Yeah |
| 01:39.58 | Stanzilla | k |
| 01:40.07 | Stanzilla | well my tv and pc are too close together for that |
| 01:40.09 | Stanzilla | I just hdmi |
| 01:40.21 | Torhal | Has controller/mouse/keyboard support |
| 01:41.07 | Fisker | It's so Chromecast that it's the same hardware Stanzilla |
| 01:41.15 | Stanzilla | yeah probably useful if shit is a bit more apart |
| 01:41.20 | Stanzilla | Fisker: haha ok |
| 01:41.37 | Torhal | COmputers are upstairs, TV is downstairs. |
| 01:42.04 | Stanzilla | and wifi is strong enough so it does not lag? or did you not even get to testing? |
| 01:42.40 | mckenziemc | too many cats in between |
| 01:43.04 | Torhal | I plugged it in, set my language, set up networking, then it found my PC and connected itself to the running instance of Steam, then said "Updating" with a status bar. It then rebooted and sat on a splash screen. |
| 01:43.22 | Torhal | So basically all I did was set it up so it could brick itself. |
| 01:44.47 | Stanzilla | pretty good |
| 01:44.51 | Stanzilla | worth the money |
| 01:44.53 | Torhal | But yeah, WiFi should be just fine - I stream Plex at 1080p from my computer upstairs. |
| 01:45.07 | Stanzilla | does it have a hardware reset button? |
| 01:45.28 | Torhal | Nope. It's a tiny little thing with three USB ports, and HDMI port, and an Ethernet port. |
| 01:46.21 | Torhal | There's supposedly a factory reset method which involves unplugging it then plugging it in and unplugging after 2 seconds (three times) but that also did nothing. |
| 01:46.27 | Torhal | Nor did attempting to load another firmware via USB. |
| 01:46.58 | Torhal | The fact that it bricked itself does not instill confidence. |
| 01:47.00 | Stanzilla | try a nail gun |
| 01:47.04 | Fisker | https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam_Link/comments/3v3jef/factory_reset/ <-might look into that? |
| 01:47.19 | Fisker | It's free software Torhal |
| 01:47.51 | Torhal | I didn't try that method, but I will in a moment. |
| 01:48.27 | Fisker | Might as well |
| 01:48.36 | Fisker | Alternatively you can start up a religion while waiting for a response |
| 01:48.51 | Torhal | uses the nail gun to affix Stanzilla to mckenziemc. |
| 01:57.49 | Torhal | Oh shit, already have an email from Steam: "To exchange this item, please print the attached pdf files and follow the packing instructions. A replacement unit will be sent once we receive the unit being returned. You can download the RMA instructions with this download link and the provided shipping label with this download link." |
| 02:09.11 | VIad | Torhal: scam? |
| 02:09.26 | Torhal | No? |
| 02:09.38 | VIad | oh steam link |
| 02:09.42 | Torhal | I filed an RMA for a bricked Steam Link. |
| 02:09.44 | Torhal | I wasn't expecting an answer for days at the minimum. |
| 02:09.49 | VIad | ah |
| 02:10.01 | VIad | can it stream anything or just games from steam? |
| 02:10.07 | VIad | I wish I could stream my screen to my tv :( |
| 02:10.20 | Torhal | It streams from Steam. |
| 02:10.27 | Torhal | But that includes things you add to Steam. |
| 02:10.34 | VIad | like chrome, can only stream tabs to the tv, nothing else |
| 02:10.39 | VIad | if I add VLC to it? |
| 02:10.42 | Torhal | So if you added Visual Studio... |
| 02:10.43 | Torhal | >.> |
| 02:10.44 | VIad | then start a movie |
| 02:10.44 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 02:10.47 | VIad | it does? |
| 02:10.53 | VIad | interesting |
| 02:10.57 | VIad | maybe its worth trying |
| 02:11.00 | VIad | I can afford $60 |
| 02:11.12 | Torhal | Has three USB slots as well, so you can do a controller, keyboard, and mouse. |
| 02:11.30 | VIad | mm |
| 02:11.35 | VIad | visual studio on tv |
| 02:11.36 | VIad | gotta do that |
| 02:12.02 | VIad | it says "coming soon" |
| 02:12.05 | VIad | http://store.steampowered.com/app/353380/ |
| 02:12.22 | VIad | how did you buy it? |
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| 02:12.42 | Torhal | Via Steam. |
| 02:13.11 | VIad | no buy button |
| 02:13.16 | VIad | "coming soon" where buy button is |
| 02:13.25 | kd3 | then it's not available in your country |
| 02:13.25 | Torhal | Then it isn't available in your region :/ |
| 02:13.28 | VIad | :/ |
| 02:13.56 | VIad | fyi someone posted they got a bricked one out of the box |
| 02:13.59 | VIad | so seems its a factory issue |
| 02:14.14 | VIad | 20% downvoted |
| 02:14.54 | Torhal | Mine bricked itself. Worked fine to set the language and networking stuff. |
| 02:14.58 | VIad | oh |
| 02:15.06 | VIad | not good when your electronics dont want to live |
| 02:15.13 | Torhal | After the update, was dead. |
| 02:17.25 | VIad | maybe thats why its US release only |
| 02:17.29 | VIad | so they can debug the issues |
| 02:23.22 | VIad | its fun to see the old overwatch trailer |
| 02:23.25 | VIad | and see the hero healthbars :p |
| 02:23.31 | VIad | 250 hp tracer WTF IS THIS INSANITY |
| 02:23.41 | VIad | well a lot of characters had a lot more health back then :p |
| 02:24.06 | VIad | reinhard had 600 :d |
| 02:30.53 | Fisker | Must be a bot Torhal |
| 02:31.20 | Torhal | Maybe. |
| 02:34.24 | Stanzilla | Torhal: did the usb restore work now? |
| 02:35.22 | Torhal | I didn't try - the ethernet lights are both on which indicates that the system is locked, so the USB would likely not be functional either. |
| 02:35.38 | VIad | odd not to add a physical reset button |
| 02:35.42 | Torhal | That also explains why trying to load different firmware didn't work. |
| 02:35.42 | VIad | like how most other devices have |
| 02:37.24 | Stanzilla | how are the lights on if you unplug it |
| 02:37.31 | VIad | wireless |
| 02:37.33 | VIad | duh |
| 02:38.12 | Torhal | Stanzilla: When it's plugged in, the green and orange lights on the Ethernet port are solid. |
| 02:38.51 | Stanzilla | well then it depends on what comes first, it going into lock mode or looking for that text file on usb |
| 02:38.59 | Stanzilla | might still wanna try |
| 02:39.49 | Torhal | Easier test is to plug my phone into it. |
| 02:39.58 | Torhal | If that doesn't work, then USB is indeed dead. |
| 02:40.42 | Torhal | I'll do that after a bit. Or tomorrow. Fucking tired and just want to go to bed, but I'm only 3 hours into my shift. |
| 02:41.11 | VIad | hugs Torhal. |
| 02:45.07 | VIad | overwatch competitive are so lame |
| 02:45.12 | VIad | they stream live recordings... >_> |
| 02:45.20 | VIad | think from twitch onto youtube |
| 02:45.32 | VIad | many dont like the bait |
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| 03:19.43 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: are you still not going to blizzcon? |
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| 03:21.42 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I have a ticket. |
| 03:22.19 | Arrowmaster | but are you going? |
| 03:23.12 | Arrowmaster | i have a ticket but i still dont have a room or flight booked, if i dont get room situation figured out im not going to book a flight and probably wont be able to go |
| 03:27.57 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: AFAIK I'm going, but I have no idea on flight or room. Then again, I usually don't until the last minute anyway. This is the first year they just went ahead and gave me a ticket. |
| 03:31.23 | znf | foxlit, is there an opie for Legion? |
| 03:31.30 | Stanzilla | no |
| 03:31.59 | znf | :-( |
| 03:38.25 | Fisker | I think Torhal is cute |
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| 04:15.57 | Stanzilla | what an interesting turn of events http://www.wsj.com/articles/shots-fired-at-dallas-protest-over-police-shootings-in-baton-rouge-and-minnesota-1467947604?mod=e2tw |
| 04:16.17 | nebula | the mn thing is pretty crazy |
| 04:16.50 | nebula | dude declared he had a concealed gun/permit when the cop approached, then got unloaded into when he went to get his license |
| 04:17.12 | Stanzilla | yeah I saw the video |
| 04:17.35 | Stanzilla | but now cops are getting shot |
| 04:18.38 | Stanzilla | I mean |
| 04:18.41 | Stanzilla | 2 snipers?! |
| 04:18.47 | Stanzilla | just kill 10 officers |
| 04:18.50 | Stanzilla | what is this, civil war? |
| 04:18.59 | nebula | merica. |
| 04:19.24 | kd3 | at this point, my only real reaction is "Fuck the NRA" |
| 04:19.41 | Stanzilla | that was my point years ago |
| 04:19.44 | Stanzilla | but some people never learn |
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| 05:27.42 | Simca_ | Tentacled: well shit |
| 05:27.48 | Simca_ | i think your issue is spreading |
| 05:28.22 | Simca_ | we have a monitoring system for data changes in place for cache stuff collected when you toggle a checkbox in curse client to upload stuff |
| 05:28.39 | Simca_ | anyway, looks like a bunch of corrupted data is being uploaded for several types of adb |
| 05:30.21 | Simca_ | unless they radically changed the WCH5 format in one of the last few builds and told nobody |
| 05:31.18 | Stanzilla | sorry that was me |
| 05:32.03 | mckenziemc | are you behind Torhal's broken Link too? |
| 05:32.15 | Simca_ | Stanzilla: it takes 5 sources to confirm a change |
| 05:33.06 | Stanzilla | it was a joke |
| 05:34.43 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker and Cairenn and goes to bed. |
| 05:34.51 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 05:35.19 | Torhal | Instructions not clear. Incinerating mckenziemc. |
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| 06:27.27 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn and throws a pokeball at a Zubat |
| 06:27.41 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 06:58.58 | Stanzilla | https://streamable.com/pgpb |
| 06:59.02 | Stanzilla | Rainbow Six: Dallas |
| 06:59.17 | Stanzilla | that guy has training for sure |
| 06:59.43 | Stanzilla | probably professional counter strike player |
| 06:59.49 | Stanzilla | killer games drama next |
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| 07:10.40 | relaxok | for some reason i feel like i can't get excited about gear anymore, they removed so many things on gear, all the items are almost the same |
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| 07:14.08 | kullervo | vanilla experience yo |
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| 07:36.52 | Miiru | there is not much choice anyway, at least not when questing :/ |
| 07:37.21 | nevcairiel | when was there ever a gear choice from quests |
| 07:46.00 | relaxok | i dont recall the reasoning for getting rid of spell power or hit |
| 07:46.26 | nevcairiel | hit just a stupid stat, is all |
| 07:46.29 | nevcairiel | +is |
| 07:46.56 | nevcairiel | its a binary condition, either you have exactly the right amount of it, you don't and you are bad |
| 07:47.04 | nevcairiel | there is no room for customization |
| 07:48.20 | nevcairiel | i doubt anyone misses hit |
| 07:48.30 | znf | hit was retarded |
| 07:49.00 | znf | there was a point where you had to pick the exact pieces for your spec that had an exact amount of +hit so you don't waste your stat budget, or don't miss spells |
| 07:53.17 | nevcairiel | they definitely wanted to simplify the stat system a bit after a few expansions added new things here and there, so a bunch of the rather obscure ones got chopped. expertise? whats that even mean? :) |
| 07:53.23 | relaxok | horror |
| 07:54.07 | nevcairiel | now in legion they went back to clearer core fantasies, which also meant looking at the stats, and multistrike for example is really just crit in another color, a random chance to do a bit more damage? sounds like crit to me, so gone. |
| 07:59.01 | Infus | I liked multistrike's visuals for casters |
| 07:59.09 | znf | still not a fan of Versatility |
| 08:00.15 | znf | Wonder if Crit Damage% would have been an interesting stat for WoW |
| 08:00.33 | nevcairiel | would probably end up too strong, like in every other game that uses it |
| 08:00.49 | nevcairiel | stats that scale based on other stats are always problematic |
| 08:00.53 | Semlar | i personally think they should get rid of every stat except item level |
| 08:01.21 | znf | also, multistrike would have been much cooler if abilities didn't have some sort of protection for procs from multistrike |
| 08:03.27 | znf | but in the WoD state, most fun things had a protection against proc-ing from multistrikes, so it was indeed just another crit |
| 08:05.36 | znf | Does Leech still exist as a tertiary stat? |
| 08:05.42 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 08:05.50 | znf | I've only seen Avoidance and Indestructible on gear so far in Legion |
| 08:06.51 | Miiru | i think i have an item with leech |
| 08:06.53 | Miiru | lemme check |
| 08:07.37 | Miiru | leech trinket yes |
| 08:07.40 | znf | Here's a stupid idea: |
| 08:07.51 | znf | Have a stat that triggers a random extra ability from your toolkit, for free :P |
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| 08:08.39 | nevcairiel | i have speed, avoidance and sockets on random items, no leech right now, but it still exists |
| 08:08.40 | znf | random%, ofc |
| 08:09.24 | nevcairiel | if anything they should make a trinket like that or something, stats with double rng are just not fun |
| 08:09.47 | nevcairiel | they did experiment with cooldown reduction as a stat, but its apparently also hard to balance properly |
| 08:10.21 | znf | ah, yeah |
| 08:10.25 | znf | that sounded like a lot of fun, too |
| 08:10.58 | znf | I remember they announced it at blizzcon, then they said they couldn't get it right |
| 08:11.55 | nevcairiel | instead they folded cooldown reduction into haste, but only for some spells on some classes |
| 08:13.07 | nevcairiel | mostly for rotational cooldowns on casters |
| 08:14.09 | znf | not sure what stats a game could implement |
| 08:14.37 | nevcairiel | most games like this really come down to the most basic stats again |
| 08:15.15 | nevcairiel | primary stats of course, crit and haste/attack speed/cast speed/whatever |
| 08:16.19 | AcidWeb | There is any civilised way to suppress OnHide/OnShow events on my frame when fullscreen map is opened/closed? |
| 08:17.59 | znf | splash damage? :P |
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| 08:18.40 | nevcairiel | diablo has that, but even there its a "tertiary" stat |
| 08:19.18 | Stanzilla | wot |
| 08:19.28 | Stanzilla | area dmg is the same as attack speed and crit etc? |
| 08:19.36 | Stanzilla | not a secondary |
| 08:19.41 | nevcairiel | isnt it on the secondary slot |
| 08:19.52 | Stanzilla | nope |
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| 08:21.04 | AcidWeb | Hooking directly to WorldMapFrame OnShow/OnHide create race condition. |
| 08:21.41 | znf | then I'm out of stat ideas |
| 08:22.44 | nevcairiel | coming up with new stats that are not the basic "increase damage by x%" is hard |
| 08:23.11 | nevcairiel | area/splash damage might work, but offers no advantage in single target at all, which makes it problematic for gearing |
| 08:23.21 | nevcairiel | so as a tertiary maybe |
| 08:23.42 | Stanzilla | yeah it's really hard |
| 08:24.17 | nevcairiel | the resto druid class trinket from hfc is "splash healing" which can be really strong :D |
| 08:24.18 | znf | splash could be a % of the damage, spread to targets around |
| 08:24.21 | znf | so if it's just 1 |
| 08:24.30 | znf | there would be extra damage to the target |
| 08:24.37 | Stanzilla | balancing having more/less rng is also hard |
| 08:24.51 | Stanzilla | and I can see them changing the destro mastery again because that is just too much rng |
| 08:25.26 | znf | like: have a +X% chance doing 30% damage of your main ability spread to targets in Y yards of your main one (including the main one) |
| 08:25.58 | nevcairiel | entirely uncontrolled aoe is problematic sometimes |
| 08:26.20 | znf | * only affects targets which are in combat! |
| 08:26.27 | nevcairiel | nah not because of that |
| 08:26.36 | znf | though I can't see that working out for tanks |
| 08:27.17 | nevcairiel | i'm sure they tried various ideas to maybe replace multistrike with something new, just 4 stats now feels slightly like there could be one more |
| 08:27.36 | znf | 4? |
| 08:27.46 | nevcairiel | crit, haste, mastery, versa |
| 08:27.51 | znf | right |
| 08:27.56 | znf | versatility is not a real stat! |
| 08:28.18 | Stanzilla | versa is a problematic stat on its own |
| 08:28.21 | nevcairiel | most people just hate on it for no real reason, its not even the worst stat for most classes |
| 08:28.27 | Stanzilla | it cant be too strong because it would be the best stat otherwise |
| 08:28.35 | Stanzilla | so it is mediocre and everyone shittalks it |
| 08:28.39 | Stanzilla | but it's not really that bad |
| 08:28.52 | nevcairiel | its usually pretty good for tanks due to the dmg reduce |
| 08:31.14 | znf | it's not that it's bad |
| 08:31.17 | znf | it's just... boring |
| 08:34.21 | Stanzilla | that is true |
| 08:34.59 | Stanzilla | I'd like to see more stuff that is unique on items again |
| 08:35.05 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/ucaJNBW.jpg |
| 08:35.10 | Fisker | well then that was an easy survey |
| 08:35.12 | Stanzilla | like gloves that have an extra effect that leaves a dot or so |
| 08:35.35 | Stanzilla | Fisker: my google survey this week was "how old are you" |
| 08:37.45 | Stanzilla | almost gavea wrong answer though since I sometimes forgot how old I am and recently moved into the next age group |
| 08:38.11 | znf | Stanzilla, you mean legendary items! |
| 08:38.33 | Stanzilla | znf: yes but more of that but less powerfull |
| 08:38.43 | Stanzilla | do you remember the dragon soul weapons |
| 08:38.46 | Stanzilla | that was cool |
| 08:38.59 | znf | I don't remember what it gave for shadow |
| 08:39.11 | znf | I remember there was a melee weapon that spawned a tentacle |
| 08:39.14 | Stanzilla | dagger with a poison dot afair |
| 08:39.41 | znf | Ah. |
| 08:40.15 | Stanzilla | I'd rather have such effects than say sockets |
| 08:40.18 | Stanzilla | hate sockets |
| 08:40.31 | Stanzilla | as a random proc that is |
| 08:40.39 | Stanzilla | if they are guaranteed I liked them |
| 08:41.18 | znf | yeah, but then they'd just become a trinket |
| 08:41.23 | znf | and you'd always go for that specific item |
| 08:41.39 | znf | any other item that doesn't have a proc like that would be useless |
| 08:41.39 | Stanzilla | no, think like a tertiary stat |
| 08:41.45 | Stanzilla | and not as powerful as a trinket |
| 08:42.19 | znf | Oh, I'm so excited about this point I'm going to spend: http://i.imgur.com/y2yHHhS.png |
| 08:42.35 | Stanzilla | yeah that is super creative |
| 08:42.53 | Stanzilla | btw I just remembered a stat that would be cool to have for some specs |
| 08:42.56 | Stanzilla | resource cost reduction |
| 08:43.15 | znf | but healers would just get mana reduction? |
| 08:43.26 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 08:43.45 | znf | what would shadow get? |
| 08:43.52 | Stanzilla | less insanity drain |
| 08:43.55 | Stanzilla | something like that |
| 08:44.13 | znf | btw, there isn't a cap for insanity drain, right? |
| 08:44.20 | Stanzilla | tbh that's all stuff they would do as a trinket or set bonus |
| 08:44.27 | Stanzilla | nah |
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| 08:45.24 | znf | uhm |
| 08:45.27 | znf | then you die |
| 08:45.31 | znf | horribly |
| 08:46.16 | Stanzilla | exactly |
| 08:50.01 | Infus | and what would rogues get? chance to not use combo points? |
| 08:50.51 | znf | less energy? :P |
| 08:51.00 | Infus | ah right |
| 08:51.02 | znf | Stanzilla, but resources are not granular enough |
| 08:51.12 | Stanzilla | yeah like i said |
| 08:51.22 | Stanzilla | that would go into set bonus or trinket territory again |
| 08:51.26 | Stanzilla | or be too strong |
| 08:51.29 | Stanzilla | or be a mastery |
| 08:52.57 | znf | I don't understand how recipe research works @ Nomi |
| 08:53.01 | znf | first I was getting some things |
| 08:53.07 | znf | now I just get badly burnt food over and over |
| 08:53.16 | znf | Is there a cap on how/what many recipes you can get from a specific meat/fish? |
| 08:54.43 | Miiru | I thought you'd get recipes as long as there are any left which can be cooked with the specific meat/fish |
| 08:55.09 | znf | I'm guessing there's no indication of that |
| 08:57.32 | Miiru | ah coupons because of the elimination of the German soccer team <3 |
| 08:58.29 | Miiru | bah not usable on WOW Collectors Edition -.- |
| 09:00.16 | relaxok | i just did my first LFR raid, and first raid since uhh.. ICC |
| 09:00.28 | relaxok | a 'raid' that's like 10 minutes long.. ok.. |
| 09:01.16 | relaxok | (Highmaul) |
| 09:02.07 | Miiru | and it is not Wednesday :D |
| 09:02.58 | Miiru | when they added gear upgrades, the first 2-4 weeks of LFR, specially Highmaul were very funny |
| 09:03.27 | Miiru | overgeared people nuking the whole stuff in seconds |
| 09:04.20 | nevcairiel | yeah that was a fun way to do lfr |
| 09:04.39 | relaxok | why were they doing it exactly? |
| 09:04.56 | relaxok | it was easier to do upgrade levels that way orsomething? |
| 09:05.38 | znf | why thy did item ugprades? |
| 09:06.28 | relaxok | i just didnt expect LFR raiding would help mythic raiders upgrade their gear |
| 09:06.31 | relaxok | (i dont know how it worked) |
| 09:07.13 | znf | "for fun" |
| 09:08.01 | Miiru | you got like 100 Valor Points for each highmaul wing |
| 09:08.10 | nevcairiel | lfr just awarded valor points to upgrade gear, so for the first 2 weeks everyone did it to get the most valor they possibly could |
| 09:08.20 | Miiru | ^ |
| 09:08.44 | relaxok | ah okay |
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| 09:51.25 | Stanzilla | in other news |
| 09:51.29 | Stanzilla | VS Code has tabs now |
| 09:52.56 | relaxok | RF gear is the same ilvl as the boosted greens but epic.. |
| 09:53.03 | relaxok | but doesnt seem better |
| 09:53.35 | relaxok | green is 103 int 155 sta 69 crit 69 multi, epic is 103 int 155 sta 74 haste 60 mastery |
| 10:03.40 | nevcairiel | epic hasnt increased the stats since like classic |
| 10:03.47 | nevcairiel | its just a color of rarity |
| 10:04.00 | nevcairiel | not of actual quality, the item level is the only deciding factor |
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| 10:09.23 | relaxok | oh hm, i have thought about item level much more since its in the default ui now |
| 10:09.29 | relaxok | guess i never noticed |
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| 10:42.10 | znf | Hmm. |
| 10:42.17 | znf | Are there predefined times for WQ reset? |
| 10:42.30 | znf | not reset, but when new ones appear |
| 10:43.24 | Miiru | I think you get one everyday |
| 10:43.29 | Miiru | probably at reset? |
| 10:45.40 | foxlit | you're thinking of emissary quests, and znf just wants more things on his map to grind artifact power. |
| 10:46.20 | Miiru | ah |
| 10:46.37 | znf | I'm thinking World Quests. Some just appeared in the last hour (I presume it was @ :30) |
| 10:46.52 | znf | just like 1-2 in each area |
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| 12:13.09 | VIad | hmm. is there a good way to add back the expand button to the character frame? |
| 12:13.19 | VIad | I mean, just adding it back I think will taint code, wont it? :/ |
| 12:13.27 | VIad | since the frame works with equipment in combat and such |
| 12:13.38 | VIad | one modification and you can't do anything in combat anymore |
| 12:14.50 | VIad | the API that did the collapse and expanding are still there in the code: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/CharacterFrame.lua#152 |
| 12:16.49 | VIad | I miss the minimize button. it looked nicer collapsed. its not like you need to watch the whole thing all the time. most you open it to swap gear or check the other tabs :p |
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| 12:40.18 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIHIsSJ2Txk |
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| 13:07.07 | foxlit | grumble, call instruction encoding is too simple, so I end up mistaking fragments of other instructions for calls :/ |
| 13:09.07 | nevcairiel | its nto designed for random access :p |
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| 13:12.41 | Simca_ | this is probably foxlit https://twitter.com/michalvalasek/status/748873479777386496 |
| 13:16.57 | Infus | Guill, TheDanW: I narrowed down a game crash to 9 lines, enjoy http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=316265 |
| 13:18.08 | foxlit | I think I can fix this by checking validity of the following N instructions at both the site and the target, but that grammar looks incomprehensibly evil. |
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| 13:52.46 | Arrow|work | sitting here browsing glassdoor and indeed in clear view of everybody else |
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| 15:22.46 | Mischanix | foxlit: call instruction encoding in what? |
| 15:30.25 | foxlit | x64 |
| 16:06.03 | Munk | A stroll in Durotar: https://i.gyazo.com/9eb5b3c773392735e1641f91f1c844b4.gif |
| 16:09.03 | TheDanW | Infus: thanks! we have an engineer that'll be very grateful |
| 16:09.21 | Infus | TheDanW: tell him, that I'll have more bug reports :) |
| 16:09.42 | TheDanW | Infus: always appreciated :) |
| 16:10.31 | Infus | If you have just hundred automatic reports of that bug, then that's probably all me while trying to minimize the code |
| 16:22.46 | Semlar | stop breaking things infus |
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| 16:59.07 | Infus | Guill: I produced a minimal example of the spurious OnCursorChanged events, see http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=316268 |
| 17:00.06 | Infus | Guill: I'm fine with being told, that those can just happen, it's after all easy to workaround |
| 17:04.45 | Infus | nevcairiel: ^^ |
| 17:10.19 | mckenziemc | the scrollbox on that page is partly broken for me :) |
| 17:10.30 | TheDanW | Infus: Guill isn't in yet, but i can pretend to be him "not enough time to fix for 7.0.3 :(" |
| 17:15.29 | Infus | TheDanW: no problem, I was expecting that |
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| 17:42.02 | VIad | how does the game combat log behave with scaling these days? |
| 17:42.15 | VIad | doing normal dungeons as level 110 with level 101s ought to parse weirdly :p |
| 17:45.38 | mckenziemc | hits VIad for 1 (987788899332 Overkill). |
| 17:46.19 | VIad | 's Eye for an Eye secret triggers, killing mckenziemc. Ice Block prevents the killing blow this turn. |
| 17:46.38 | mckenziemc | you had 1 because you already prevented a KB, silly |
| 17:46.53 | VIad | mage rolling around with 4 ice blocks son |
| 17:53.22 | mckenziemc | spreads rumors that VIad has Pi Zeroes for sale. |
| 17:53.58 | VIad | I got the pi 2 model b :( |
| 17:54.14 | nevcairiel | the list of LE constants sure came in handy right now, thanks foxlit :) |
| 17:56.49 | VIad | what does LE stand for? |
| 17:56.55 | VIad | lue env? |
| 17:56.56 | VIad | lua* |
| 17:57.24 | mckenziemc | might be enumeration |
| 17:57.43 | mckenziemc | i've not paid much attention |
| 17:59.07 | TheDanW | lua enum indeed |
| 17:59.41 | nevcairiel | hm except it doesnt work as i hoped |
| 18:00.03 | Noshei | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4rvqxi/legion_prepatch/ |
| 18:00.12 | Noshei | so pre-patch maybe the 12th |
| 18:00.33 | nevcairiel | that seems a bit unlikely |
| 18:01.55 | nevcairiel | someone find me a quest that auto-completes when i accept it, but i can cancel and re-accept endlessly :d |
| 18:03.14 | Miiru | what about the login quest that voljin gives you? |
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| 18:12.10 | nevcairiel | found one that just had me talk to one npc, good enough |
| 18:15.04 | mckenziemc | desecrates nevcairiel's fire. |
| 18:15.24 | nevcairiel | voljin would rather kill me then give me quests, anyway |
| 18:15.33 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 18:16.55 | foxlit | you can no longer dismiss the automatic quest popups without acknowledging acceptance. |
| 18:17.17 | nevcairiel | i really just wanted one to test why my quest addon produced duplicate completion messages |
| 18:17.29 | nevcairiel | so one that completes easy and can be canceled then for repeats was nice |
| 18:17.50 | foxlit | (it's not like you could reject them anyway, it's more of a "here's a quest we put in the quest log for you, grats!" notification, but somehow that "Accept" button is annoying.) |
| 18:18.04 | nevcairiel | its really more of a Dismiss button |
| 18:18.12 | nevcairiel | "make window go away"-button |
| 18:19.12 | foxlit | Right, would feel better if it just read "Close" |
| 18:20.28 | foxlit | they disable the actual "make window go away"-button for that popup |
| 18:20.32 | nevcairiel | these things are relatively rare, really just for big content breadcrumbs like an expansion |
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| 18:26.39 | Mischanix | foxlit: what are you needing to find call instructions for? since it's just e8 [rel32] it's easiest to disassemble everything |
| 18:27.07 | nevcairiel | he likes making a control flow graph |
| 18:28.51 | Mischanix | ah okay, here's something similar i was playing with a while back: http://dpaste.com/0Y5B0BG |
| 18:30.35 | Mischanix | very unfinished, but hopefully the idea is clear |
| 18:30.59 | karl_w_w | honestly it's ridiculous that microsoft still hasnt fixed basic win 10 bugs |
| 18:31.06 | karl_w_w | like the start menu not working |
| 18:31.15 | nevcairiel | works for me |
| 18:31.26 | karl_w_w | it's a common problem |
| 18:31.35 | karl_w_w | especially the right click menu |
| 18:31.37 | nevcairiel | thats your problem, you are common |
| 18:31.39 | nevcairiel | be uncommon! |
| 18:32.28 | nevcairiel | the only half-annoying bug i have in win10 is that explorer sometimes crashes when i delete a large directory tree and then start doing other file operations at the same time |
| 18:33.11 | Stanzilla | karl_w_w: the problem there is that the startmenu is an app, and sometimes the app host hangs/crashes |
| 18:33.32 | Mischanix | foxlit: of note, the unwind data in .pdata gives you nearly *every* procedure address |
| 18:33.37 | karl_w_w | that's not the only problem |
| 18:33.53 | nevcairiel | couple weeks until anniversary update, maybe they fixed that |
| 18:34.06 | karl_w_w | the main problem is that it's not robust and any little thing stops it working |
| 18:34.27 | Stanzilla | that really is the app host, believe me :D |
| 18:34.33 | Stanzilla | if you use the other apps more, it happens more |
| 18:34.40 | Stanzilla | most people dont use them though |
| 18:34.48 | Stanzilla | which is why it happens rarely or not at all to them |
| 18:35.50 | Stanzilla | I have a real problem with how the app host handles crashes, it communicates nothing |
| 18:35.55 | Stanzilla | apps just close and you have no idea why |
| 18:36.03 | Stanzilla | there is no crash report/debug log |
| 18:36.23 | nevcairiel | its not like the crash dialog of desktop apps is very helpful |
| 18:36.36 | Stanzilla | well at least you get some sort of feedback |
| 18:36.38 | nevcairiel | it could just say "kaboom" and would convey the same information |
| 18:36.40 | Stanzilla | apps just close without any dialog |
| 18:36.45 | Stanzilla | and leaves you wondering where they went |
| 18:37.50 | karl_w_w | desktop apps do that too sometimes :P |
| 18:37.54 | mckenziemc | imagine if explosions gave no sound warning they just happened |
| 18:38.14 | karl_w_w | they do |
| 18:38.23 | nevcairiel | only movie bombs beep |
| 18:38.27 | Stanzilla | well it leads to "I'm pretty sure I just opened that app.." moments |
| 18:38.39 | mckenziemc | bombs aren't explosions... |
| 18:38.59 | mckenziemc | oh, garden path sentence |
| 18:39.08 | mckenziemc | gave no sound to indicate they just happened |
| 18:40.13 | mckenziemc | not garden path, but interpretable as a comma splice |
| 18:40.39 | karl_w_w | see mckenziemc https://youtu.be/xUcgYmgTkEg?t=6m40s |
| 18:40.46 | karl_w_w | no sound |
| 18:41.12 | nevcairiel | there is sound, its just late |
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| 18:41.52 | karl_w_w | but is there really a difference, on a spiritual level? |
| 18:42.58 | mckenziemc | obviously "kaboom" is too late for a full warning, but it still tells you something important |
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| 19:09.39 | nevcairiel | anyone know if the artifact knowledge rank -> % conversion is in the db2s somewhere |
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| 19:14.55 | VIad | gametables? |
| 19:30.30 | VIad | as in the txt files probably |
| 19:39.35 | VIad | overwatch needs a bm option in the report menu |
| 19:41.14 | mckenziemc | that's what toilets are for |
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| 20:53.54 | Infus | nevcairiel: so about http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=316268, Blizzard won't fix that before Legion, what do you think about this http://pastebin.com/wZEX25Sj workaround? |
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| 21:24.51 | nevcairiel | Infus: i really dont like hacking around such issues, especially years and years after the code was written and noone ever complained :D |
| 21:24.55 | nevcairiel | but i'll think about it |
| 21:32.26 | Infus | the patch is small, but yeah the issue is annoying but not critical |
| 21:32.41 | Infus | and it seems to only happen on certain widths |
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| 23:03.24 | kd3 | ugh. never turning off waze again after making it to the interstate. 75 minute delay to get from south bay to the office |
| 23:20.24 | relaxok | kd3: =D |
| 23:20.39 | relaxok | kd3: i feel like im one of the few people in the bay area not dealing with traffic |
| 23:21.03 | relaxok | kd3: i commute from sonoma county to marin on 101 and dont go in until 11.. so thats probably why |
| 23:21.53 | kd3 | eh. I've just had shit luck the past few days with dbay area driving. got rear-ended on the bay bridge on wed, took an hour to get from broadway to the bridge yesterday, and now whatever the hell's going on right now in newark that shut down 80 north of the maze |
| 23:22.24 | Cairenn | comforts kd3 |
| 23:27.50 | relaxok | i drive so much (gf in peninsula), i'm way overdue for an accident |
| 23:28.20 | Cairenn | don't say that! jinx yourself |
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| 23:39.17 | mckenziemc | don't say that, you'll jinx him! |
