| 00:00.57 | Stanzilla | wow so Kesava knew the joke |
| 00:01.02 | mckenziemc | i'm sure it dislikes you too |
| 00:01.03 | Stanzilla | real mate right here |
| 00:02.53 | Simca_ | man i know all the trade chat hero talk, it's just stuff i try to forget |
| 00:03.11 | Simca_ | it's called an xbox 360 because you turn 360 degrees and walk away |
| 00:03.36 | Munk | Almost as good as the invincible joke. |
| 00:03.53 | mckenziemc | older though =/ |
| 00:04.21 | Kesava | yo mamma so fat a warlock needs 2 soul shards to summon her |
| 00:06.04 | Munk | Yo momma's so fat when I shadow-stepped her I got a loading screen. |
| 00:06.36 | mckenziemc | it's called a PS3 because you turn 3*pi radians and walk away |
| 00:07.47 | Simca_ | but that actually works! |
| 00:07.56 | mckenziemc | i know! |
| 00:09.07 | mckenziemc | most people aren't smart enough to know it though :( |
| 00:13.24 | Munk | Is there any difference in the algorithms used by tab-targeting and target scan enemy? |
| 00:13.33 | Munk | https://gfycat.com/GoodVeneratedBudgie |
| 00:13.35 | mckenziemc | but everyone really knows it's called the xbox 360 because you turn 360 radians and vomit on the person next to you |
| 00:14.03 | Munk | I know this was like an hour ago, but target scan seems to always prefer the target in the direction in which you point the camera. |
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| 00:27.14 | znf | ...and then you die, horribly |
| 00:29.14 | Simca_ | mckenziemc: lol |
| 00:45.44 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/nB6jRxjj << there, maybe that looks sane. |
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| 00:56.20 | Simca_ | i like it |
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| 01:01.19 | foxlit | I appear to have labelled the entire AH API as glue-only |
| 01:03.04 | nebula | foxlit: how do you decide which non std functions are in that list? ie, table.wipe but not wipe, strsplit but not string.split |
| 01:06.45 | foxlit | implementation details, mostly. the stuff in that list is created in c++ code; the alises you're missing are created in Lua code. |
| 01:11.01 | nebula | ah |
| 01:16.37 | pompy1 | astronauts going into space soon http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv |
| 01:17.47 | mckenziemc | .................................................................................... |
| 01:18.03 | mckenziemc | oops |
| 01:18.50 | mckenziemc | my clipboard wanted to type on the keyboard o.o |
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| 01:35.26 | Stanzilla | so my plan to just sleep all day to cope with the death of my brain was not very successful because it just came up with other stuff to dream about that I never coped with :< |
| 01:35.47 | Stanzilla | s/my brain/my cat |
| 01:35.50 | Stanzilla | there we go brain |
| 01:35.52 | Stanzilla | be shit again |
| 01:41.03 | pompy1 | http://www.gamespot.com/articles/blizzard-sues-overwatch-cheat-maker-claims-million/1100-6441493/ |
| 01:41.54 | znf | those guys made a overwatch cheat, too? wtf :D |
| 01:42.13 | Stanzilla | when it was alpha/beta |
| 01:43.35 | znf | geez |
| 01:45.07 | [TOM_RUS] | blizzard will never win |
| 01:45.07 | Stanzilla | why are you surprised |
| 01:45.10 | Stanzilla | it's like that for every game |
| 01:48.18 | Stanzilla | at least blizzard does something against it, other games are getting ruined by cheaters and the publishers do nothing |
| 01:48.21 | kd3 | gotta love getting rear-ended on the bay bridge |
| 01:48.27 | kd3 | looks for some alcohol |
| 01:53.17 | Stanzilla | bring me some, too please |
| 01:56.45 | mckenziemc | that'll be methanol for Stanzilla |
| 01:57.01 | Stanzilla | I dont care |
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| 02:02.24 | Simca_ | 9 builds tonight in 6 hours |
| 02:03.01 | Stanzilla | well only if you count the same thing for ptr and beta as two |
| 02:03.17 | Simca_ | CASC counts it as 2. |
| 02:03.27 | Simca_ | so i will too |
| 02:09.45 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 02:16.36 | nebula | duh Stanzilla |
| 02:17.13 | Stanzilla | ^wat |
| 02:21.56 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.22 | Stanzilla | nebula: what |
| 02:28.51 | nebula | DUH |
| 02:30.12 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 02:40.15 | znf | this build nerfed enchants |
| 02:40.17 | znf | but buffed food |
| 02:51.01 | relaxok | what does the bnet client use for UI? |
| 02:51.19 | relaxok | i dont really know about that weird nether region between normal windows UI and directx |
| 02:53.17 | kd3 | the bnet app uses Qt |
| 02:55.18 | relaxok | i see |
| 02:55.25 | relaxok | i didnt know you could customize the look of it that much |
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| 03:17.12 | Stanzilla | eh? |
| 03:17.17 | Stanzilla | you can't really customize it |
| 03:17.29 | Stanzilla | or did you mean customize Qt? |
| 03:24.05 | relaxok | Qt |
| 03:24.19 | relaxok | i always thought of Qt apps as looking mostly like basic windows apps except cross platform |
| 03:24.26 | relaxok | but bnet app is really advanced |
| 03:24.35 | nebula | that's how i think of gtk |
| 03:24.51 | nebula | only ugly |
| 03:25.13 | Stanzilla | like you then |
| 03:25.15 | nebula | it's a framework, you can use standard system widgets or build you own /shrug |
| 03:25.34 | nebula | Stanzilla: your mom doesn't mind |
| 03:25.41 | Stanzilla | she's blind |
| 03:25.54 | nebula | previous point stands |
| 03:26.27 | Stanzilla | worth a try |
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| 03:55.28 | NodusCursorius | If anything, good for Stanzilla 's mother having such a healthy sexual relationship at her age. |
| 03:55.44 | NodusCursorius | It puts nebula in a compassionate, patient light. |
| 03:57.42 | fewyn | hrm is there an addon that shows only cageable pets? |
| 03:57.46 | fewyn | that i have |
| 03:57.52 | fewyn | (so i can cage them) |
| 03:58.17 | fewyn | i don't see it as an option in petjournal enhanced |
| 04:14.20 | winny | relaxok: bnet uses Qt, but like any app, you can override local appearance settigs |
| 04:14.36 | winny | and it probably uses custom widgets |
| 04:36.39 | Mr_Rabies | hmm... is there a way to download the wow client without an active account? tempted to download it at a friends' and then transfer it since his internet is way better than mine :v |
| 04:36.53 | Mr_Rabies | just having a bnet account is good enough right? |
| 04:38.05 | kd3 | yah |
| 04:38.17 | nebula | probably? you can play sub 20 toons even on lapsed accounts, so should let you |
| 04:38.33 | fewyn | ^ |
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| 04:40.42 | Mr_Rabies | was probably gonna delete my data folder and download the client on his internet |
| 04:41.02 | Mr_Rabies | this whole "wow eating my whole ssd because casc still isn't ready" thing makes me needlessly upseet |
| 04:41.04 | Mr_Rabies | upset* |
| 04:41.37 | Stanzilla | it's just sad |
| 04:41.43 | Stanzilla | that they still havent fixed that |
| 04:42.21 | nebula | meh |
| 04:42.46 | Stanzilla | it wouldn't change anything about the download size though |
| 04:42.50 | kd3 | wtb garbage collection |
| 04:42.52 | Stanzilla | just what remains afterwards |
| 04:43.21 | mckenziemc | on the plus side |
| 04:43.29 | NodusCursorius | "plus size" |
| 04:43.36 | NodusCursorius | No need to talk about the CASC system that way. |
| 04:43.40 | NodusCursorius | Oh, side. |
| 04:43.42 | Stanzilla | that's nebula's mom this time |
| 04:43.49 | mckenziemc | you still likely won't run into EOL from the write cycles on the SSD |
| 04:44.34 | Amarande | yeah, I haven't been the most careful about my Intel 530 that I bought way back in late 2014 (or was it 2013? now I can't even remember) and it's still at like 97% life remaining |
| 04:45.05 | NodusCursorius | This is why SSDs terrify me. |
| 04:45.36 | Trela | 99% and 98% remaining on mine. |
| 04:45.58 | nebula | to exhaust the cycles on a ssd takes like 13 yr+ for most people |
| 04:46.03 | Trela | The hard drive that no matter how many fans I point at runs around 140ºF all the time is more of an issue. |
| 04:46.07 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/Ok4VXG2.png |
| 04:46.07 | Stanzilla | :E |
| 04:46.21 | kd3 | meh. after dealing with spinning rust for decades, SSDs are great |
| 04:46.39 | NodusCursorius | nebula, does that count when it's a constant degradation that decreases the available size? |
| 04:47.02 | nebula | no, most people deal with that by over provisioning |
| 04:47.19 | mckenziemc | how much of an issue is that in reality |
| 04:47.25 | NodusCursorius | "Let's spend more money to compensate for poor design" |
| 04:47.27 | mckenziemc | old SD cards yeah |
| 04:47.34 | nebula | even then, you lose like 20% of the space over the life cycle |
| 04:47.56 | NodusCursorius | Different needs. I'll pass. |
| 04:48.16 | nebula | i've had ssds since they were first released, i'm a fan |
| 04:48.19 | Trela | Recent hard drive purchase: /dev/sdb1 5.5T 3.8T 1.5T 73% |
| 04:48.19 | mckenziemc | shrugs. |
| 04:48.28 | Trela | SSD can not fill all my needs. |
| 04:48.57 | mckenziemc | yes, size/cost is the real problem with SSDs |
| 04:49.05 | mckenziemc | for personal use |
| 04:49.06 | Arrowmaster | oh thats cute |
| 04:49.33 | mckenziemc | get back to |work, Arrowmaster! |
| 04:49.47 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:49.49 | Arrowmaster | im at home |
| 04:49.55 | NodusCursorius | Agreed, Trela. Space and durability is far more important to me. I've never had an instance where I needed the featureset of SSD-level speeds. |
| 04:49.56 | kd3 | total 4.2T 4.1T 68G 99% - |
| 04:49.58 | nebula | i mean, obviously if you storing large amounts of data mechanical drives are fine |
| 04:50.11 | kd3 | (that's only ext4 filesystems) |
| 04:50.12 | mckenziemc | NodusCursorius: space, not durability |
| 04:50.25 | mckenziemc | again, you're not going to run into that issue unless you have a datacenter at home |
| 04:50.36 | Arrowmaster | you dont? |
| 04:50.39 | Trela | My biggest "storage" problem is transferring files over wireless. |
| 04:50.40 | NodusCursorius | mckenziemc, what happens if you accidentally use an SSD poorly? |
| 04:50.58 | kd3 | the lifetime goes from 13 years to 12? |
| 04:51.01 | nebula | ^ |
| 04:51.03 | nebula | lol |
| 04:51.04 | mckenziemc | you'd have to try pretty damn hard, NodusCursorius |
| 04:51.22 | Trela | Probably data center abuse hard. |
| 04:51.27 | Stanzilla | if you punch a screwdriver through it, you kinda deserve it |
| 04:51.29 | NodusCursorius | There's a list of things you are not supposed to do with SSDs. With static, I just have to not kick them. |
| 04:51.39 | NodusCursorius | s/static/disk-based/ |
| 04:52.22 | kd3 | I've been torrenting on my SSD for years. the drive will likely outlast most of the rest of the components in my computer |
| 04:52.55 | NodusCursorius | My drives are under tremendous, uncommon-for-users strain, and it would only be worsened with SSDs and replaced with no benefit. |
| 04:53.02 | NodusCursorius | So, for my usage, I'll pass. |
| 04:53.05 | mckenziemc | "the lifetime goes from 13 years to 12?" more like it has slightly less wasted life when you upgrade to a bigger / faster drive well before then |
| 04:53.26 | nebula | i don't think anyone was trying to sell you on using them, you've just been justifying your non-use for some reason |
| 04:53.45 | mckenziemc | again, unless you operate a datacenter, you're probably under the "they do have limited life so automatically it's a real issue" myth |
| 04:53.45 | NodusCursorius | <mckenziemc> how much of an issue is that in reality |
| 04:54.02 | mckenziemc | guess what |
| 04:54.08 | NodusCursorius | Either you want people to respond to the remarks and other opinions cites, or you want to stifle it by claiming they are just being defensive. |
| 04:54.10 | NodusCursorius | One or the other. |
| 04:54.11 | mckenziemc | hard drives have a limited number of write cycles too |
| 04:54.23 | mckenziemc | neither |
| 04:54.28 | mckenziemc | you're parroting misinformation |
| 04:54.32 | NodusCursorius | Oh, ok. |
| 04:54.46 | Trela | Replacing hard drives for faster and more space is more likely. I have stack of 10T combined of used hard drives sitting around because they are small and slower than anything I have now. |
| 04:55.00 | Simca_ | i have an HDD purely where I do my work and semi-work (i.e. helping chaud is not part of my job description but my boss gives me time to do it). |
| 04:55.05 | Stanzilla | I'd never ever go back to a HDD for OS and games |
| 04:55.09 | Stanzilla | the longer load times are horrible |
| 04:55.38 | nebula | i honestly never noticed a big different in game load times |
| 04:55.40 | Simca_ | I use it for CASC partial install extracts (of every build for every blizzard game and as a cache for fragments), and the drive has died twice inside of 2 years. this is drive 3 |
| 04:55.46 | nebula | but i boot my computer in like 4s, so that's nice |
| 04:55.47 | NodusCursorius | mckenziemc, I'll just take my datacenter experience and two decades of disk maintenance, and parrot... why I don't use SSDs for my personal usage, then? |
| 04:56.06 | NodusCursorius | How is it parroting if the information is accurate in counter to the reasons given for people using them? |
| 04:56.39 | mckenziemc | what information |
| 04:56.39 | Torhal | How is it that I tab into this channel and see NodusCursorius arguing with someone at least once a week? |
| 04:56.40 | Torhal | :O |
| 04:56.43 | nebula | NodusCursorius: people do focus on the whole read/write cycle thing, when it likely will never affect them |
| 04:56.52 | mckenziemc | that for datacenters, it is an issue, but not for normal use? |
| 04:56.54 | Torhal | Oh, it's mckenziemc again. |
| 04:56.55 | Torhal | No wonder. |
| 04:56.56 | Torhal | >.> |
| 04:56.56 | NodusCursorius | nebula, but .... I just said how it would affect me. |
| 04:57.01 | NodusCursorius | I -just- said it. |
| 04:57.11 | nebula | it was a general statement |
| 04:57.16 | mckenziemc | you still haven't said you have datacenter loads at home |
| 04:57.24 | NodusCursorius | Yes, I did. |
| 04:57.59 | mckenziemc | oh? |
| 04:58.23 | NodusCursorius | Sure. I can scroll up for you. |
| 04:58.31 | NodusCursorius | <NodusCursorius> My drives are under tremendous, uncommon-for-users strain, and it would only be worsened with SSDs and replaced with no benefit. |
| 04:58.45 | mckenziemc | which could be anywhere in between |
| 04:59.07 | mckenziemc | uncommon-for-users leaves a lot of room |
| 04:59.21 | NodusCursorius | Haha, are you sure you want to take this route? An attempted defining point between datacenter activity? |
| 04:59.31 | Simca_ | let's not |
| 04:59.37 | mckenziemc | and you haven't clarified that statement sooo |
| 04:59.54 | NodusCursorius | What do you require clarification of. |
| 05:00.01 | kd3 | looks for more popcorn |
| 05:00.01 | Torhal | Why the fuck are there so many escalations in here lately? FFS. |
| 05:00.23 | Torhal | "Hey, something's going on. Oh. Another argument over semantics." |
| 05:00.28 | NodusCursorius | % |
| 05:00.28 | yalb | NodusCursorius: |
| 05:00.29 | nebula | Hey Torhal, your cats are stupid. |
| 05:00.35 | Simca_ | :< |
| 05:00.39 | Simca_ | cats are never stupid, how mean |
| 05:00.43 | Stanzilla | Hey Torhal, my cat died :( |
| 05:00.53 | Torhal | They're cats, you moron. Of course they don't operate at the intellectual level of a child. I mean, you. |
| 05:01.06 | Simca_ | my hero |
| 05:01.22 | NodusCursorius | Exactly, Torhal. I do not understand why he has an issue with my choice, over my drives. It comes off as a purely semantical argument that I feel like I'm missing. |
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| 05:01.33 | Torhal | Stanzilla: So did two of mine. The poppa cat never came home after getting out, and one of the kittens just suddenly died two weeks ago. |
| 05:01.38 | nebula | lol, I read somewhere that cats can learn word association like dogs, they just evolved not to care |
| 05:01.50 | Stanzilla | Torhal: sorry :( mine was 15 |
| 05:01.52 | kd3 | watching pissed-off-irc is fun when I'm drunk. I should do this more often |
| 05:01.59 | Torhal | Stanzilla: :/ |
| 05:02.01 | mckenziemc | point is, unless you're actually running a business from home, which you could state and would nullify the whole issue, there's still plenty of reason to be skeptical that you're not playing into the common exaggeration of the issue |
| 05:02.04 | Torhal | Sorry, man. Sucks. |
| 05:02.05 | NodusCursorius | kd3, all about those bash quotes! |
| 05:02.05 | kd3 | stanzilla :( |
| 05:02.35 | NodusCursorius | mckenziemc, so your issue is that instead of taking what I said literally, you are associating it with instead something I didn't say. |
| 05:02.37 | mckenziemc | now, if you take offense to skepticism, that's understandabe |
| 05:02.41 | Stanzilla | I think I cried for almost all of yesterday and half of today |
| 05:02.50 | Cairenn | hugs Stanzilla, a lot |
| 05:02.55 | Stanzilla | thank you |
| 05:03.09 | NodusCursorius | There's a difference between the argument of skepticism and the argument of strawman, mckenziemc. |
| 05:03.23 | Torhal | Stanzilla: We think coyotes got him. We let our dog out two weeks later, and a coyote ran up to him trying to eat him. |
| 05:03.45 | NodusCursorius | My two drives and 11 partitions are under 100% load for the majority of their active time, ~43% spent writing and the rest reading. |
| 05:03.50 | Cairenn | hugs Torhal, a lot, too. |
| 05:03.54 | Torhal | We never let our cats out, either. He just got out the door :/ |
| 05:04.04 | Stanzilla | Torhal: woah, scary |
| 05:04.23 | Torhal | Yeah, I didn't know we had coyotes in our neighborhood. |
| 05:04.39 | mckenziemc | now we have some details |
| 05:04.53 | NodusCursorius | Why do you need details for me to decide what is, or is not, a good solution for my system? |
| 05:04.54 | Torhal | So now if we let the dog out at night, one of us goes out with him. |
| 05:04.59 | mckenziemc | i don't |
| 05:05.07 | NodusCursorius | Then stop creating something to feel offended over. |
| 05:05.09 | Simca_ | yeah one of my older cats just died a couple weeks ago from a genetic heart defect; sucks. |
| 05:05.20 | Cairenn | hugs Simca_, a lot, as well |
| 05:05.36 | mckenziemc | you're offended about skepticism |
| 05:05.39 | mckenziemc | it happens |
| 05:05.50 | NodusCursorius | No, that didn't happen. Saying it happens doesn't create the situation, either. |
| 05:05.53 | Torhal | Simca_: We think that's what happened to the kitten. No warning at all, we just found him. |
| 05:06.10 | mckenziemc | i explained my skepticism after you turned an ambiguous situation into a hostile one |
| 05:06.17 | mckenziemc | there's no more to say here |
| 05:06.24 | NodusCursorius | mckenziemc, a hostile one? |
| 05:06.35 | NodusCursorius | Is this Tumblr? |
| 05:06.47 | Cairenn | It's pissing me off, is what it is |
| 05:06.47 | nebula | I have a small dog (min pin) and I can't let her out to run around because there are hawks and eagles nest near here and people have lots their pets to them |
| 05:07.01 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
| 05:07.06 | NodusCursorius | I don't care what anyone uses for their storage solutions, my first comment was only about how SSDs terrify -me-, not you. |
| 05:07.07 | Cairenn | You guys need to just drop it |
| 05:07.09 | nebula | stupid birds |
| 05:07.17 | mckenziemc | i did |
| 05:08.01 | Cairenn | Of the two emotions going on in here right now, I'd much rather deal with the unhappy ones, at least I can give hugs to help with that. |
| 05:08.47 | mckenziemc | misunderstandings are unhappy events too :( |
| 05:08.56 | Torhal | After the kitten died, all the adult cats decided to fill the void for his sister. She thinks she's a big cat now. |
| 05:09.30 | Stanzilla | we only have two and his sister is looking for her brother all the time now |
| 05:09.36 | Stanzilla | and everytime I see that it breaks my heart |
| 05:09.52 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:10.24 | Torhal | We had that for a bit; our dog and the preemie cat (she's 13 months old now and looks like 5 months) both adopted the kittens. They kept looking for him for awhile. |
| 05:10.38 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:11.37 | Simca_ | there was warning in our case (he stopped eating), which sucks because I feel a little guilty about it. problem is he has stopped eating for days at a time in the past when he has simply had an upset stomach, and each time we had taken him to the vet and they had done lots of pricey medical detective work, found nothing, and sent us home and told us to force feed him. |
| 05:12.05 | Stanzilla | yeah that was the case here, too |
| 05:12.34 | Stanzilla | he had a chronical bowel disease so diarhea all the time |
| 05:12.34 | Torhal | We took the little girl to the vet as soon as they opened (we found him around 3:30 in the morning) to make sure nothing was wrong with her, and she checked out (as far as they could tell) |
| 05:12.35 | Simca_ | so this time we just tried force feeding him for 2 days first, and then we took him in, and it was too late. it might have been too late 2 days earlier even, but it's tough to say |
| 05:12.49 | Stanzilla | and he got meds for that, those caused kidney failure, loss of muscle tissue and loss of voice |
| 05:12.57 | Torhal | :/ |
| 05:13.09 | Stanzilla | and the last 4 weeks I had an alarm set every 3 hours to force feed him, train his muscles and force give him water |
| 05:13.26 | Stanzilla | but two days ago it reached a stage where I could no longer justify letting him suffer |
| 05:13.33 | Stanzilla | so I made the decision to let him go |
| 05:13.56 | Stanzilla | the only thing he could still do on his own was breathing and even that was a problem |
| 05:14.07 | Stanzilla | I couldnt stay in the room when he got the injection though |
| 05:14.13 | Stanzilla | didn't want that picture hammered into my memory |
| 05:14.25 | Simca_ | i never have |
| 05:14.38 | Cairenn | I always do |
| 05:14.49 | Cairenn | So they aren't scared and alone in their last minutes |
| 05:14.59 | Torhal | Hopefully I have at least a decade before I have to deal with that. |
| 05:15.24 | Torhal | And in my case, there's going to be quite a bit of dealing. |
| 05:15.33 | Stanzilla | I stayed until the last minute and he was so "down" he could not even move his head anymore |
| 05:15.42 | Stanzilla | he just laid there, waiting |
| 05:17.06 | Stanzilla | it was a very sorry sight |
| 05:17.17 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:17.35 | Stanzilla | but at least he spent the last night next to me in bed |
| 05:18.02 | Stanzilla | before he fell from the couch 3 times, no idea what he was trying |
| 05:18.24 | Torhal | :( |
| 05:18.43 | Cairenn | gives out some more hugs |
| 05:19.24 | Stanzilla | thanks, I guess I just had to let that out now, sorry for the sob story :/ |
| 05:19.59 | Cairenn | No apology necessary |
| 05:20.07 | Cairenn | I think most people in here get it |
| 05:21.35 | Stanzilla | I have some friends who never had a pet |
| 05:21.40 | Stanzilla | they don't really understand |
| 05:21.58 | Stanzilla | how it's more than "just a pet" even after a short time and especially after 15 years |
| 05:23.10 | Cairenn | nod |
| 05:23.24 | Torhal | I don't understand how someone can't understand. Humans are also animals. |
| 05:23.25 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 05:23.37 | Simca_ | i don't think i have any friends who have never had a pet |
| 05:23.41 | Amarande | some non-pet folks are just crass and rude about things even when it's not a loss, too :| |
| 05:24.08 | Torhal | I suppose the people who don't understand are better than those who get an animal just to say "Yeah, I have a dog. Keep 'im tied in the back yard." |
| 05:24.12 | Amarande | I remember one day when I was still staying at the grandparents' earlier in the year and I was walking the dogs and talking to the dogs and some teenager yells out of their car saying I'm on acid :P |
| 05:24.13 | Stanzilla | I always had that argument with my parents when it came to vet bills |
| 05:24.18 | NodusCursorius | It's a division of empathy. Us pet-owners are far more familiar with the nuances that give pets personality, other than being something on display (like fish). |
| 05:24.26 | Stanzilla | I was like "so what, he's part of the family, you would pay anything for me, too" |
| 05:24.52 | Stanzilla | I mean ofc it sucks and it's a lot of money, but there is no need to make a fuss about it |
| 05:25.44 | NodusCursorius | I had that struggle with each of my Gerbils, recently. For the first time in my life I came face to face with that financial "is it worth it?" issue. |
| 05:25.45 | Stanzilla | I seriously considered getting pet insurance for them |
| 05:25.45 | Cairenn | You can get attached to fish, too |
| 05:25.49 | Stanzilla | but that shit is even more expensive |
| 05:25.56 | NodusCursorius | It's uncomfortable, even to the most pet-loving people. |
| 05:26.10 | Torhal | I paid an obscene amount of money to get a metal plate in one of my cat's legs, rather than have them amputate. This was when I wasn't convinced not letting them out was a good idea, and Merlin came home busted up. He crawled home using his front legs. |
| 05:26.16 | NodusCursorius | Cairenn, that's probably true. Should have thought of that, honestly. Nuances and such. |
| 05:26.59 | Cairenn | I don't want to say how much I spent on our 15-year old cat just to get him another 3 months |
| 05:27.06 | Stanzilla | heh, my first cat was called Merlin, too :D |
| 05:27.31 | Stanzilla | last 4-6 weeks was 800+ Euro for me |
| 05:27.55 | Simca_ | yeah my parents are partial to boston terriers, but they frequently have a 'fluxating patella' which requires corrective surgery to stop them from limping for a while after exercise or sleeping |
| 05:28.01 | Torhal | I was talking to an ex co-worker about five years ago, and I mentioned what I'd spent to save his leg. He acted like I was an idiot. Said he'd have put the cat down rather that spend that kind of money. At that point I decided I'd rather not fraternize. |
| 05:28.06 | Stanzilla | every blood check is ~100 euro already |
| 05:28.11 | Cairenn | Add a zero to that |
| 05:28.24 | Torhal | Cairenn: $5k is what I paid for the leg. |
| 05:28.28 | Stanzilla | wow ok |
| 05:28.29 | Cairenn | nod |
| 05:28.41 | Cairenn | it was upward of that |
| 05:28.53 | NodusCursorius | What about fish, rodents? Things that live in measurement of a few years at best. Where even the cost of visiting the vet is sometimes 10x the amount you purchased them for ($5). |
| 05:28.59 | Stanzilla | any idea what a blood check costs where you are? so I can compare? |
| 05:29.03 | NodusCursorius | That's what I have to struggle with on each Gerbil. |
| 05:29.48 | Simca_ | wow, $5k is rough. only cost about $1k per leg for the corrective leg surgey i mentioned for the dog |
| 05:30.07 | Torhal | Simca_: It was pretty intense. |
| 05:30.23 | Torhal | I think he was struck by a car. |
| 05:31.11 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:31.23 | Stanzilla | damn |
| 05:32.23 | Torhal | After him, I decided I'd never have another cat I let wander about. Turns out he stopped coming home roughly around their life expectancy as outdoor cats. |
| 05:32.27 | Torhal | We'd had him for five years. |
| 05:33.09 | Stanzilla | mine almost never crossed streets |
| 05:33.16 | Stanzilla | just went from garden to garden |
| 05:33.46 | Amarande | my sister tried having gerbils in the past, but they would always be too smart for their own good |
| 05:33.54 | Amarande | they'd get out of their cages and get killed by the cats |
| 06:05.38 | Torhal | Cairenn: https://i.imgur.com/0K8rft7.gif |
| 06:05.57 | Cairenn | awww |
| 06:06.10 | Simca_ | oh man blizzard trolled hard today for datamining |
| 06:06.20 | Stanzilla | what did they do |
| 06:07.53 | Simca_ | they released 5 unique builds, the second one hit PTR only (22143) and contained new changes |
| 06:08.50 | Simca_ | so it looked like a mistake - they quickly pushed the third one (22141 - they can math good) and i was like 'yes, we have something here' |
| 06:09.11 | Simca_ | hours later, they pushed 22149 and then 22150 |
| 06:09.20 | Simca_ | and 22150 reverts all of the changes made in 22143 |
| 06:09.30 | Stanzilla | what was actually new |
| 06:10.41 | znf | I don't like the nerf to Void Bolt, Stanzilla |
| 06:10.51 | Simca_ | ordos, medallions, and conquest points achievements had point value removed, one fury warrior trait called Odyn's fury had range reduced from 20 yards to 14 |
| 06:11.18 | Simca_ | 22150 reverts the changes perfectly, adding the point values back and putting the range back at 20 |
| 06:11.49 | Simca_ | leaving me out a significant chunk of time for -literally- nothing |
| 06:11.56 | znf | Stanzilla, they made it so Void Bolt requires you to face the target :-( |
| 06:12.15 | Stanzilla | Simca_: those from guild to personal achievements are annoying |
| 06:12.27 | Stanzilla | znf: yeah ok makes ssense though |
| 06:12.40 | znf | nope, it sucks balls on dragons in emerald :-( |
| 06:13.04 | Stanzilla | nerfs always suck! |
| 06:13.07 | Simca_ | the reversion was weird in general - you'd expect those changes to have stuck, at least the achievement ones |
| 06:13.10 | znf | I still find it weird that you don't require a target for void erruption |
| 06:13.48 | Simca_ | i wonder if they are splitting off a branch for prepatch and reserving the new honor system for legion |
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| 06:14.11 | Stanzilla | Simca_: did you notice how they added an achievement for season 2 brawlers guild stuff that you cant actually get since brawlers guild will probably stop with prepatch? |
| 06:14.12 | Simca_ | so conquest points and medallions are still around in prepatch but go away on expansion release |
| 06:15.07 | Stanzilla | the one where you have to take a portal to the enemy faction city |
| 06:15.45 | kd3 | it will stop, there was a bluepost saying it stops on the patch |
| 06:15.57 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 06:15.58 | Stanzilla | gg then |
| 06:16.02 | Simca_ | they did the same thing with MoP I think, Stanzilla |
| 06:16.13 | Stanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.17 | Simca_ | err WoD* |
| 06:16.23 | Stanzilla | that achievement had no season1/season2 split |
| 06:16.26 | Stanzilla | it was only one |
| 06:16.30 | Stanzilla | and now they added a split for s2 |
| 06:16.45 | Simca_ | it'll probably come back for 7.1 |
| 06:17.02 | Stanzilla | the s2 thing says "during the draenor campaign" though |
| 06:17.07 | Stanzilla | so how will you get that :D |
| 06:17.27 | Simca_ | good thing they can hotfix achievement text now |
| 06:18.33 | Amarande | yeah, it'd be quite odd to see mechanics not change in the prepatch, that's been tradition |
| 06:18.45 | Amarande | much to the detriment of some players, like pvp warlocks in BC |
| 06:18.53 | Stanzilla | well dunno, still reported it as a bug |
| 06:19.52 | Amarande | (apparently, the steady nerfing of pvp locks had to do with the fact that in the BC prepatch they were superpowered) |
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| 06:25.18 | Simca_ | i wonder why ordos was changed though |
| 06:26.56 | Stanzilla | cant get there anymore without cloak or so |
| 06:27.40 | Simca_ | yeah maybe they didn't want achievement points gated behind a boss that is only legitimately accessible with an unobtainable legendary |
| 06:28.07 | znf | they fixed the garrison enchanting hut to no longer DE legion stuff |
| 06:28.08 | znf | :-( |
| 06:28.53 | Simca_ | ha |
| 06:29.54 | Simca_ | sucks a bit; i dropped Enchanting on my main for Engineering in part because of that |
| 06:30.31 | Simca_ | in part because I already had a second toon with Enchanting with almost exactly the same recipes (a few more rare classic ones on my second toon actually, because it was an old main) |
| 06:30.40 | Amarande | I decided I might as well go tailoring/enchanting on my new prot warrior |
| 06:30.51 | Amarande | enchantments and bags seem to be the most reliably useful crafted stuff, after all |
| 06:30.59 | Amarande | well, and flasks/elixirs, but I've already got an alchemist |
| 06:34.16 | Stanzilla | the last time I changed professions on my main was when they made drums be like heroism |
| 06:34.21 | Stanzilla | so..wotlk I guess |
| 06:35.27 | nebula | for gimpy lust? why would you change for that |
| 06:36.09 | nebula | drum rotations was tbc if thats what you were thinking of |
| 06:36.38 | Amarande | I've only just started seriously getting into warrior these past couple weeks |
| 06:36.48 | Amarande | used to be one of those classes I just couldn't get past 20 or so in without getting bored |
| 06:37.16 | Amarande | now I'm in the mid-40s, just on a temporary break from WoW because my new wifi card isn't here yet |
| 06:37.30 | Amarande | stupid buggy windows 10 network drivers :( |
| 06:37.52 | znf | I changed my profession in Cataclysm, first and only time |
| 06:38.05 | znf | swapped from Herbalism to Engineering for the engineering goggles |
| 06:38.22 | Stanzilla | nebula: yes, that was when I moved AWAY from leatherworking |
| 06:38.28 | Stanzilla | because they were the same as hero then |
| 06:38.34 | nebula | ah |
| 06:38.57 | Stanzilla | in bc everyone was paid by the guild bank to switch to leatherworking :D |
| 06:39.21 | Amarande | paid by the guild bank? that's not the actual problem with leatherworking |
| 06:39.34 | nebula | i started with bs/mining, switched to bs/eng early wrath i think, all of my raid alts were bs/jc and i never really changed them |
| 06:39.47 | Amarande | the problem is there's no alternative to getting out there and grinding out the skins, because there is never anywhere near enough leather on the AH to let you go that route |
| 06:40.00 | nebula | must be on a shit server |
| 06:40.15 | Stanzilla | ench/leather => ench/tailor => ench/leather => ench/tailor |
| 06:40.18 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 06:40.30 | Amarande | I can't imagine dropping LW on a character, though |
| 06:40.38 | Amarande | not after how effing many mats it takes to level it in the first place |
| 06:40.56 | Amarande | seriously, I feel like we could outfit every BDSM dungeon east of the Mississippi with what it takes just to go from 1-300 |
| 06:41.16 | nebula | eh, i switched to it on my paladin in wod, and it took like 2k gold to catch up |
| 06:41.58 | Amarande | some other profs blizz seems to have addressed the issue of the amount of mats needed, like engi |
| 06:42.01 | Amarande | but not lw, heh |
| 06:42.44 | Amarande | engi's definitely got simpler though, the first time I leveled it I distinctly don't recall it only taking dense stone and thorium |
| 06:42.55 | Amarande | (for 250-300, that is) |
| 06:44.05 | Stanzilla | I have all professions spread over my toons anyway, so I had no need to switch |
| 06:44.19 | Stanzilla | was one of the first to have the jack of all trades achievement back in cata or whatever that was |
| 06:44.35 | znf | Stanzilla, do you have timewalking badges? |
| 06:44.43 | znf | timewarped* |
| 06:44.45 | Stanzilla | znf: yeah, why |
| 06:44.56 | znf | buy me some new kaja cola on beta :D |
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| 06:45.07 | Stanzilla | how about nope |
| 06:45.12 | znf | Why are you mean? |
| 06:45.21 | Stanzilla | cba to log in now :( |
| 06:47.17 | Stanzilla | hey nebula |
| 06:47.21 | Stanzilla | when BW git? |
| 06:47.58 | nebula | ask funky, we haven't done shit with that in months |
| 06:48.15 | Stanzilla | meh |
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| 07:40.06 | Miiru | oh wow the battle.net client creates some heavy cpu load while downloading :O |
| 07:46.24 | kullervo | because it's not just downloading, it's modifying files |
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| 09:14.38 | Semlar | i see the beta has expanded to fill up the rest of my hard drive |
| 09:15.39 | nevcairiel | are you sure that wasnt the live client preloading |
| 09:15.56 | Semlar | no, but the beta is up to 56gb |
| 09:16.04 | Semlar | could be both |
| 09:16.16 | Semlar | i literally have 28kb free |
| 09:17.52 | Semlar | my other wow installation is using about 48gb |
| 09:18.17 | Semlar | i guess i don't need these on my ssd |
| 09:18.33 | nevcairiel | i absolutely need wow on my ssd |
| 09:18.45 | Semlar | between them they're using 100gb |
| 09:18.50 | nevcairiel | but then i also have like 1.5tb of ssd space |
| 09:19.16 | Semlar | i have a 256gb ssd |
| 09:19.45 | nevcairiel | i probably wouldnt have both clients on the ssd if i had a small one :D |
| 09:19.55 | Semlar | no kidding |
| 09:20.10 | nevcairiel | do you even play live anymore |
| 09:20.26 | Semlar | i occasionally have to log into it when the beta is down |
| 09:22.01 | Semlar | this was only like 35gb the other day |
| 09:22.10 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, this is due to the failure of CASC to clean up, right? Beta client should still only be ~30-35gigs. |
| 09:22.26 | Semlar | i assume |
| 09:22.29 | nevcairiel | live size is expected with the pre-load |
| 09:22.55 | nevcairiel | and the cleanup issue really isnt that huge of a problem for live, only on beta you notice it drastically because it changes so much |
| 09:23.23 | Semlar | can you shrink it without just redownloading it |
| 09:23.39 | nevcairiel | in theory someone could build a tool to do that, but i'm not aware of one |
| 09:23.55 | Semlar | go through the casc and delete old files? |
| 09:24.05 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 09:24.10 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, couldn't you sort by da- that. |
| 09:24.35 | nevcairiel | i dont think just deleting casc files will help, as its probably a mixture of old-but-used and old-and-replaced |
| 09:25.56 | NodusCursorius | Maybe blizzard shouldn't have rolled out a new file structure system until they have resolved the minor bug of yielding uncleanable content. |
| 09:26.21 | Semlar | it does seem ridiculous that it doesn't at least have a cleanup button on the launcher |
| 09:26.46 | Semlar | i mean, it's 20gb larger than it was |
| 09:28.59 | [TOM_RUS] | I did casc cleanup today and my beta is a bit over 35 GB now |
| 09:29.44 | Semlar | how do you identify which files to remove |
| 09:30.42 | [TOM_RUS] | I don't identify anything, just delete data folder and let it download missing stuff |
| 09:30.48 | Semlar | ah |
| 09:30.48 | NodusCursorius | lol |
| 09:30.56 | NodusCursorius | God damnit [TOM_RUS] |
| 09:31.04 | nevcairiel | thats what I do occasionally |
| 09:31.05 | NodusCursorius | I had my Sublime open, all ready to take notes. |
| 09:31.08 | nevcairiel | having fast uncapped internet helps |
| 09:31.18 | nevcairiel | will do for live once 7.0 hits |
| 09:31.25 | NodusCursorius | I had faith in you. True, honest faith. I was ready to sacrifice my son to the goats, knife in hand. |
| 09:31.39 | NodusCursorius | "no it jsut all catches fire" |
| 09:31.43 | Semlar | warframe does this too nodus, but the launcher can clean them up |
| 09:32.06 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, I know they use a torrenting system similar and that's how the cache works to some degree. |
| 09:32.09 | Semlar | i also know how to identify the files that it isn't using any more |
| 09:32.20 | NodusCursorius | I had no idea that it did cleanup though. |
| 09:32.30 | Semlar | they have their timestamp set to 0 or something |
| 09:32.39 | NodusCursorius | Oh a gb flag then? |
| 09:32.46 | NodusCursorius | s/gb/gc/ |
| 09:33.23 | Semlar | i'd have to check my script, i think it was in the one i put on hastebin |
| 09:34.00 | NodusCursorius | Have you discerned the different methods used for the launcher to obtain data? |
| 09:35.22 | Semlar | it's in the toc file, OFFSET, TSTAMP, ZSIZE, SIZE, RESERVED, ID, NAME = Struct('2q4i64s').unpack(FILE) |
| 09:35.37 | Semlar | if tstamp is 0 i ignore it because it was replaced by a newer file |
| 09:36.40 | NodusCursorius | Good hack. |
| 09:37.18 | Semlar | in the launcher there's a little gear at the top and it has a button to "optimize" the cache |
| 09:37.37 | NodusCursorius | I know it does defragmentation, is that also the gc process? |
| 09:37.48 | Semlar | it clears out the old files |
| 09:38.26 | Semlar | it's partly how i figured out how to identify them |
| 09:38.52 | Semlar | because i wasn't sure how to handle duplicates of the same file in the cache |
| 09:39.50 | NodusCursorius | B/H is still for binary data and header data. Learned about F yet? |
| 09:41.37 | Semlar | seems to just be used for certain file types, i dumped a count of which file extensions were in which cache files at some point |
| 09:42.50 | Semlar | there's duplicate file paths in the B and F caches sometimes, like for the lua files |
| 09:43.02 | Semlar | but i don't know what the game does with them |
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| 10:08.25 | NodusCursorius | Not sure if anyone here plays Sunless Sea, but I'll tip you off that the Zubmariner expansion is -amazing- so far. |
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| 11:14.59 | nevcairiel | is there any way to get those special item type strings from the API without tooltip scanning, like "Champion Equipment" or "Crafting Reagent"? |
| 11:16.21 | nevcairiel | GetItemInfo doesnt have it, unfortunately |
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| 12:02.14 | [TOM_RUS] | nevcairiel, ItemNameDescription data not exposed |
| 12:06.46 | nevcairiel | i figured as much |
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| 12:11.32 | znf | nevcairiel, http://i.imgur.com/tqGSqg2.png |
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| 12:23.19 | karl_w_w | a cache of nightmarish treasures doesn't sound like the kind of thing you want to open |
| 12:31.15 | Semlar | what's in the box |
| 12:37.25 | VIad | whats in the fucking box?! |
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| 12:38.07 | Infus | clearly he opened it, and now the nighmare has consumed him |
| 12:39.08 | nevcairiel | guardian druids have a trait called embrace of the nightmare, does that mean we would be immune? |
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| 13:15.22 | Neffi | Semlar: is the bomb done? |
| 13:15.37 | Neffi | also sorry that you're on like 50 watch lists now |
| 13:19.08 | Semlar | no neffi i need to find something to stabilize it |
| 13:19.26 | Neffi | :/ |
| 13:20.20 | Semlar | i might need to take it to the experts |
| 13:22.15 | Neffi | theres probably a subreddit where you can ask for advice |
| 13:22.31 | mckenziemc | i hear Blood of Neffi works really well |
| 13:22.45 | Neffi | :( |
| 13:23.17 | Neffi | don't take my blood. I need that for oxygenation |
| 13:35.03 | Semlar | are you a sexy korean vampire lawyer neffi |
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| 14:36.03 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkiloFcdpI8 |
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| 16:20.32 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r76ej2fwk4U |
| 16:25.15 | VIad | karl_w_w: because you love overwatch so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHNQHR0yq6s |
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| 16:34.29 | VIad | found out that the cellar in the demon hunter class hall has bosses :d |
| 16:34.42 | VIad | but if you dont research into it, you can actually get there from the outside by gliding :P |
| 16:34.44 | VIad | hax! |
| 16:48.00 | fewyn | . I'm now level 5 and have a few Pidgeys, Ratata, Weedle, Oddish, Gastly, Krabby, Zubat, Snorlax, Venonat, Nidoranâ, Pidgetto, Eevee and of course my Charmander... oh wait there's a Shellder better go catch it! |
| 16:48.07 | fewyn | yesss shelllder |
| 16:48.11 | fewyn | best pokemon |
| 16:48.31 | fewyn | now i need a slowpoke |
| 16:48.36 | fewyn | so i can get a slowbro |
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| 16:58.47 | VIad | what version, fewyn? |
| 16:58.49 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/ScOgzQT.png |
| 16:58.52 | fewyn | ios |
| 17:00.32 | VIad | what is that? |
| 17:01.12 | fewyn | pokemon go |
| 17:01.31 | fewyn | the new AR game from the creators of ingress and pokemon |
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| 17:09.42 | VIad | ingress sounds like a writing program |
| 17:09.48 | VIad | article related |
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| 17:17.36 | fewyn | ingress is a capture the flag geocaching game VIad |
| 17:17.54 | fewyn | pokemon go is like a real world pokemon game |
| 17:17.59 | fewyn | there's gyms |
| 17:18.04 | fewyn | and wild pokemon you can catch |
| 17:18.10 | fewyn | but you physically have to go places |
| 17:18.28 | VIad | like it randomly places a gym in the shady part of town and I go there and get stabbed because I had to beat the rock gym? |
| 17:18.38 | fewyn | they are usually landmarks |
| 17:18.45 | fewyn | churches tend to be gyms |
| 17:18.58 | fewyn | pokestops (think of them as like a chest) are usually smaller landmarks |
| 17:19.12 | fewyn | like the post office or fire station is a pokestop near me |
| 17:19.33 | VIad | problem is there are so few churches or landmarks here where I live. most would probably be downtown :p |
| 17:19.34 | fewyn | so you have to physically go to the location to open the pokestop and get loot |
| 17:19.49 | fewyn | where do you live? |
| 17:19.49 | VIad | but fair enough |
| 17:19.51 | VIad | oslo |
| 17:20.03 | fewyn | once sec let me look at the map |
| 17:20.06 | fewyn | there's probably a ton there |
| 17:20.34 | fewyn | yeah looking at the ingress intel map which the pokemon go map is based off of |
| 17:20.40 | fewyn | there's a ton |
| 17:20.49 | VIad | wish I could look at the map too |
| 17:20.54 | fewyn | https://www.ingress.com/intel |
| 17:21.06 | fewyn | it won't tell you about pokestops |
| 17:21.11 | fewyn | but it'll show you the ingress portals |
| 17:21.16 | fewyn | which are the same locations |
| 17:22.29 | VIad | lol they literally make anything into al andmark |
| 17:22.32 | VIad | the metro station! |
| 17:22.37 | VIad | the playground! |
| 17:22.40 | fewyn | yep |
| 17:22.43 | fewyn | those are landmarks tho |
| 17:22.47 | VIad | a wall! |
| 17:22.52 | fewyn | they are no longer accepting new locations |
| 17:22.53 | VIad | garrage! |
| 17:22.56 | fewyn | and haven't for a few years |
| 17:23.05 | VIad | I literally found like 8 landmarks |
| 17:23.08 | VIad | within 100 meters |
| 17:23.19 | VIad | stuff you wouldnt really bat an eye at |
| 17:23.21 | fewyn | there's a park near me |
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| 17:23.27 | fewyn | they are probably an event |
| 17:23.28 | fewyn | in ingress |
| 17:23.34 | fewyn | where you have to do it in a certain order |
| 17:24.05 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 17:24.17 | Seerah | hi, Fisker |
| 17:24.29 | VIad | sarah! |
| 17:24.30 | VIad | plz |
| 17:24.38 | Fisker | Sarah? |
| 17:24.40 | fewyn | i'm going to go start a gym before i go to work |
| 17:24.44 | VIad | imgur :p |
| 17:24.55 | Fisker | K |
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| 17:25.31 | VIad | no one imguring? everyone redditors? |
| 17:26.03 | fewyn | not really |
| 17:26.43 | Fisker | Guill is totally an imgurian |
| 17:26.59 | VIad | or wait |
| 17:27.00 | VIad | tumblr |
| 17:27.05 | VIad | that was the opposite of imgur I think |
| 17:27.56 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/5x7tCaO.jpg |
| 17:28.00 | Fisker | Pokémon! |
| 17:28.15 | VIad | I feel lucky not having a iphone |
| 17:28.28 | VIad | at the same time I like pokemon, but mostly looking for the next pokemon games out this year :d |
| 17:28.45 | Fisker | Not having an Iphone is pretty great |
| 17:29.05 | Fisker | It's out for Android VIad |
| 17:29.10 | VIad | nooo |
| 17:30.25 | fewyn | yep it's on android |
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| 17:35.25 | VIad | dxtory is good capture software, if you are tired of fraps |
| 17:35.32 | VIad | worth the money |
| 17:38.13 | Arrow|work | https://www.quora.com/Homework-Question-How-do-I-write-a-program-that-produces-the-following-output-1 |
| 17:38.18 | Arrow|work | lol theres even a Lua one |
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| 18:06.45 | VIad | Arrow|work: lua one can't possibly be that hard to read... |
| 18:06.58 | Arrow|work | no its not that bad |
| 18:07.09 | Arrow|work | the brainfuck with comments is good |
| 18:07.28 | Arrow|work | and the javascript using nothing but 6 characters is great ()[]!+ |
| 18:08.13 | VIad | I mean perl is like made to be hard to read |
| 18:08.21 | VIad | reminice of python if you ask me :p |
| 18:09.07 | VIad | beta servers back up in 4 hours to test the launch event |
| 18:09.16 | VIad | going down in 10 min |
| 18:09.50 | VIad | Arrow|work: http://i.imgur.com/XYGVSfE.jpg |
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| 18:23.54 | VIad | demon hunter class hall bug, allowing you to get into the bottom floor without the research https://youtu.be/1Bk-Zgst7sQ |
| 18:24.09 | VIad | Guill: beta is offline so can't use the ingame tool for it :( |
| 18:24.17 | nevcairiel | use the forum :p |
| 18:24.22 | VIad | eww |
| 18:25.15 | VIad | like we got us and eu forums, what do I pick? |
| 18:25.18 | VIad | I reckon US is best |
| 18:31.17 | VIad | NOOOOO I failed, the site redirected me back to EU forums |
| 18:31.18 | VIad | damn it |
| 18:31.23 | Miiru | :o |
| 18:31.24 | VIad | posted in the wrong region, all wasted |
| 18:31.29 | Miiru | but eu forums is dead :/ |
| 18:31.40 | VIad | no one reads or cares about the EU forums for legion. I guess Ill repost it on US :p |
| 18:32.14 | VIad | I guess thats what EU mods do anyway, copypaste stuff into some internal thread on the US forums :p |
| 18:33.09 | VIad | nice. deleted my thread before anyone saw it :p |
| 18:33.27 | VIad | I like how I had to level a starter account character on US just to be able to post on the forums ^^ |
| 18:33.30 | VIad | got a level 10 druid |
| 18:35.29 | VIad | 7 people has viewed the video already :op |
| 18:35.37 | VIad | my tube is growing! |
| 18:36.43 | Miiru | people reposting on haxk sites |
| 18:36.59 | Miiru | move to elite section!!1111 |
| 18:37.16 | VIad | !!! |
| 18:37.32 | VIad | the only benefit is you can help a friend :p |
| 18:37.44 | VIad | you dont get any rewards for killing the boss |
| 18:38.02 | VIad | like kazzak if you are <100 |
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| 20:11.32 | VIad | the funniest overwatch kills are the accidental once - where you just happen to end up with some guy falling in front of you between your shotgun and your targeted head :p |
| 20:16.07 | Mischanix | preferably tracer |
| 20:16.11 | VIad | :d |
| 20:16.24 | VIad | as roadhog tracer aint too bad most of the time |
| 20:16.37 | VIad | hook and kill - though blizz says that defensive abilities should override favor the shooter |
| 20:16.45 | VIad | maybe the hook applies a tiny stun window or something |
| 20:16.50 | nevcairiel | tracer should be able to rewind out of the hook |
| 20:17.01 | Mischanix | yes the hook stuns long enough for the roadhog to shoot once |
| 20:17.07 | VIad | only seen them do it after they land in front of me, but not during hook |
| 20:17.14 | VIad | but server lag can decide different |
| 20:17.19 | VIad | even if I am as quick as possible |
| 20:17.30 | Mischanix | if you hook and hold left click there is no escape unless the hook drags them off to the side or something |
| 20:17.50 | VIad | wait |
| 20:18.02 | VIad | wont it just shoot prematurely? :p |
| 20:18.12 | Mischanix | nah, your primary fire is disabled while the hook is going out |
| 20:18.15 | VIad | waaat |
| 20:18.21 | VIad | level 90 roadhog and I always timed my click :p |
| 20:18.36 | VIad | to use it and aim at their head as they came in close enough to not miss |
| 20:18.40 | VIad | well that explains a lot |
| 20:18.46 | VIad | now to change my habit :p |
| 20:19.52 | Miiru | were there plans to have access to garrison missions with battle.net app? |
| 20:20.19 | VIad | class hall maybe |
| 20:20.29 | nevcairiel | i think they once said they dont want that |
| 20:20.47 | Miiru | there is a MobileAppIcons.blp file in the garrison folder |
| 20:20.58 | Mischanix | Yeah I wait until I see where the hook is going to come back and start holding left click then |
| 20:22.43 | VIad | problem is if they do |
| 20:22.49 | VIad | you can reverse engineer the android file |
| 20:22.54 | VIad | since its underlying java |
| 20:23.23 | VIad | already played a bit to learn how some apps worked out there by doing that. just personal stuff. but if they add the api, bots will come! |
| 20:23.39 | VIad | tbh why not do it with the AH? it has apis out there. could have a bot play the AH for you. |
| 20:26.28 | Miiru | the app is already superior to the normal wow auction house |
| 20:27.09 | VIad | you could probably manipulate it too on a rooted phone |
| 20:27.19 | Miiru | you can post everything your character possesses even if its in the bank |
| 20:27.20 | VIad | or modify it to support external coms |
| 20:27.42 | VIad | wonder if anyone actually uses it to bot though |
| 20:27.52 | VIad | considering there are no cheat detection on the android :p |
| 20:28.29 | VIad | just thinking loudly here. don't stab me. |
| 20:29.31 | Miiru | dunno if its better than just using a normal char with same keyboard macros |
| 20:29.52 | Miiru | or auto undercut addon every 5 minutes |
| 20:29.56 | Mischanix | well tbh with the ah stuff the utility would come from having a nice user interface that doesn't exist in the limitations of wow addons |
| 20:30.12 | Mischanix | doesn't need to be a bot, just something that collects all the data you'd be looking at |
| 20:30.38 | VIad | yeah |
| 20:30.55 | VIad | could look out of valuable things people post with too cheap prices too |
| 20:31.00 | VIad | and automate bids |
| 20:31.06 | VIad | addons require hardware clicks |
| 20:31.15 | VIad | android doesnt |
| 20:31.39 | Mischanix | nah, SendInput works just as well :P |
| 20:31.45 | Miiru | wouldnt there be many topics about this already if it was that useful? :D |
| 20:31.59 | Miiru | never heard about android app bots :D |
| 20:32.12 | znf | there are |
| 20:32.26 | znf | also, there are android emulators |
| 20:32.27 | VIad | would take more effort to setup |
| 20:32.49 | znf | I've seen someone play a clash of clans/titans (wtf is that game called) on his PC with a automation bot |
| 20:33.03 | znf | basically, he had a bluestacks instance with the game installed, and a 3rd party automating all actions in there |
| 20:34.37 | VIad | probably why they wont add it to the mobile app :p |
| 20:34.42 | VIad | if they do, bots will come |
| 20:34.49 | znf | yup |
| 20:34.52 | VIad | and do missions constantly asap they are available |
| 20:35.01 | VIad | and its not affecting others directly so hard to spot |
| 20:35.06 | znf | well, there are bots for the AH anyway |
| 20:35.08 | znf | :P |
| 20:35.14 | VIad | sure |
| 20:35.35 | VIad | perk with a bot using the app is you can do that while playing or what ever on the pc |
| 20:35.41 | VIad | bot can run as a service |
| 20:35.46 | znf | I remember there was a whole suite back in Cataclysm |
| 20:35.59 | znf | You needed a few chars, with specific professions |
| 20:36.18 | znf | You needed a gatherer, jewelcrafter, enchanter, and one that only did selling/buying |
| 20:36.49 | znf | It was set up in such a way that the gatherer mined/herbed for a few hours, sent everything to the banker. |
| 20:37.11 | znf | Banker distributed mats to the crafters (jc/alchemy/enchanting etc.) |
| 20:37.19 | VIad | against the rules or not, its still quite spectacular |
| 20:37.20 | znf | crafters would then prospect/make potions/gems |
| 20:37.23 | VIad | whole bot ecosystem |
| 20:37.29 | znf | analyze pricess on the AH |
| 20:37.46 | znf | if crafted items, for example, made with JC, were too cheap, they would disenchant them |
| 20:38.26 | znf | I think it was based on the scheme "saronite shuffle" |
| 20:38.42 | znf | I think saronite was the mat in Cata, right? |
| 20:38.53 | nevcairiel | saronite is wrath |
| 20:38.54 | Mischanix | saronite was wrath |
| 20:39.43 | znf | well, this was using the same principle, but I'm 100% sure this was in Cataclysm |
| 20:40.00 | Mischanix | back then, botters pushed saronite ore prices so low that jcs could prospect, craft greens, and vendor them at a profit |
| 20:40.13 | znf | That's why, at a time, you could see tons of bots in the dalaran AH |
| 20:40.15 | Mischanix | but you could also dust those greens and do even better |
| 20:40.33 | znf | most bankers were engineering, because they had the AH in there |
| 20:40.54 | znf | also had everything they needed right in that area - mailbox, AH, JC vendor, alchemy vendor |
| 20:41.13 | znf | and then the banks a few feet away |
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| 20:41.29 | znf | they were set up in such a way that everything after X gold would be deposited in the gbank, just in case they get banned |
| 20:41.45 | znf | I remember going to dalaran a few times and all you could hear was that annoying Ding sound when you prospect ore |
| 20:42.18 | VIad | I remember when you saw the giant rare in icecrown from dalaran |
| 20:42.24 | znf | haha |
| 20:44.11 | VIad | I hate rare mount mobs |
| 20:44.21 | VIad | void talon, lame elk in shadowmoon |
| 20:45.04 | znf | I stopped giving a fuck about mounts |
| 20:45.08 | znf | I only use the water strider |
| 20:45.16 | VIad | I agree :p |
| 20:45.17 | znf | there's too much utility in that mount |
| 20:45.54 | znf | half the people I meet on world quests in legion just use the water strider |
| 20:46.04 | VIad | because beta testers dont fuck around |
| 20:46.11 | VIad | beta is serious business, bro |
| 20:46.25 | nevcairiel | i typically onjly use it when there is water to ride on |
| 20:46.47 | nevcairiel | most areas are so far from water that i just dont risk encountering water |
| 20:46.55 | VIad | actually I use the random feature, but pushing my mount button + modifiers spawns strider/vendor mounts |
| 20:47.04 | nevcairiel | i get annoyed when i'm on that thing and then still fall into the water because i took falling damage or something |
| 20:47.24 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/fMhWFuw.png |
| 20:47.36 | Stanzilla | ultimate solution |
| 20:47.44 | VIad | I agree nevcairiel. its too frail now. I was more sturdy before. |
| 20:47.54 | nevcairiel | not really, too cumbersome Stanzilla |
| 20:48.04 | VIad | I agree with nevcairiel |
| 20:48.05 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 20:48.11 | VIad | opie is great but for mounts neh :p |
| 20:48.22 | Stanzilla | move mouse to the left and scroll wheel |
| 20:48.24 | Stanzilla | not that hard |
| 20:48.39 | nevcairiel | press one action button <-- easier |
| 20:48.41 | Stanzilla | the ring opens on mouse wheel click |
| 20:48.53 | Stanzilla | but I dont always need a yak, or y water strider or a passenger mount |
| 20:48.54 | VIad | I have a dedicated hotkey for mount up that I use for years, its quickest |
| 20:48.55 | nevcairiel | also i hate clicking the mouse wheel, it feels so unnatural |
| 20:49.09 | VIad | ^ why I use voice activation now |
| 20:49.16 | nevcairiel | i have a hidden action bar that shows on mouseover for unusual mounts like vendor and passenger |
| 20:49.46 | VIad | opie is great for teleport menu http://ss.bool.no/capture_1467924582.png |
| 20:50.09 | znf | did they freakin' made my wings smaller? http://i.imgur.com/AB0CSLA.jpg |
| 20:50.13 | Neffi | opie is great for lots of things |
| 20:50.30 | znf | OPie is awesome for quest items :P |
| 20:50.37 | VIad | that too |
| 20:50.49 | VIad | because the blizzard tracker taints like a motherfucker |
| 20:50.51 | VIad | and stops working |
| 20:51.27 | znf | I haven't seen that in Legion though |
| 20:51.38 | VIad | I dunno, using opie :p |
| 20:51.44 | VIad | alt+q for quest stuff |
| 20:51.56 | VIad | alt+e and r for world/raid marks :d |
| 20:52.10 | znf | yup, marker thingie is awesome |
| 20:52.11 | VIad | all my opie is alt+ |
| 20:52.29 | znf | ...I swear they made my wings smaller |
| 20:52.51 | harlchen | screams "DIE, _G!" |
| 20:53.02 | VIad | your wings are fine, stop being so self conscious about them |
| 20:53.03 | harlchen | now, where was i.. |
| 20:53.12 | VIad | harlchen: how come? |
| 20:53.47 | Simca_ | they stopped people from being able to use the pet mirror on dragon kites |
| 20:53.52 | harlchen | ah yes.. is there a way to set up modifiedlicks via lua? |
| 20:53.59 | Simca_ | what kind of monsters would stealth nerf KITES |
| 20:54.22 | VIad | Simca_: shame *bell tolls* |
| 20:56.39 | VIad | kites are people toop |
| 20:59.07 | VIad | nerf roadhog? https://youtu.be/XqIz8JQ--0o |
| 20:59.39 | Mischanix | grabs a pitchfork |
| 22:05.41 | VIad | overwatch has a weird mechanic though. like how mercy gets potg if your team messes up so badly and you have to heal them a lot, or just ress them often :p builds up support score for potg |
| 22:06.03 | VIad | so in good teams your support gets low ranks in competitive because team might be good not to take too much dmg or die too often |
| 22:06.17 | VIad | so after the 10 games the dps/tanks often get 10 more points/ranks than their mercy |
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| 22:21.54 | Infus | nevcairiel: ping |
| 22:22.06 | nevcairiel | Infus: ? |
| 22:22.33 | Infus | so I tracked down a weakauras bug report to code inside AceGui |
| 22:22.44 | Infus | do you have some time to discuss that? |
| 22:23.46 | VIad | is it weakauras bug, or acegui bug? |
| 22:24.22 | Infus | I think it's a blizzard bug |
| 22:26.10 | znf | page the Blizzard liaison guys ^^ |
| 22:26.32 | Infus | it's about http://www.wowace.com/addons/weakauras-2/tickets/558-mouse-scrolling/ , the user is scrolling down with the mouse wheel and the editbox jumpos to the top |
| 22:27.24 | Infus | the reason for the jumping to start is the OnCursorChanged() handler in AceGui, which gets bogus OnCursorChanged events |
| 22:27.43 | Infus | that is, non of the parameters have changed, the cursor hasn't moved, yet the event fires |
| 22:28.12 | Infus | as in http://pastebin.com/wZEX25Sj prevents the editbox from jumping |
| 22:29.15 | Infus | nevcairiel: there: ^^ |
| 22:29.25 | nevcairiel | sounds like you should complain to Guill :) |
| 22:29.58 | Infus | Guill: ^^ |
| 22:30.33 | Infus | it only happens for some sizes of the editbox, though for specific sizes it's 100% reproducable |
| 22:42.04 | VIad | Guill is denying the existance of bugs |
| 22:42.36 | Stanzilla | Infus: can post it on the UI bugs forum on wowi, so we dont forget |
| 22:44.15 | znf | >xau 140 usd to ron |
| 22:44.17 | znf | erm |
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| 22:55.24 | VIad | ^ Stanzilla |
| 22:55.34 | VIad | otherwise it just disappears into the log dungeon of irc |
| 22:59.33 | Stanzilla | why do you highlight me with my own sentence :D |
| 23:07.20 | VIad | so I didnt point to znf |
| 23:07.53 | VIad | also I like saying your name, Stanzilla |
| 23:08.09 | Stanzilla | ok VIad |
| 23:10.17 | Guill | Infus: Not 100% sure I'd classify that as a bug with OnCursorChanged. Even if none of the parameters to that event have changed, other related info (like the text under the cursor) may have changed. |
| 23:12.25 | Infus | that shouldn't result in a OnCursorChanged event; but in this case the user is just scrolling, the text doesn't change at all |
| 23:16.52 | Infus | Guill: anyway, if I shouldn't depend on OnCursorChanged being only fired if the cursor moved, that's something I can then work with |
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| 23:26.54 | VIad | played mercy with a 5 man party. after 3 games I got booted out and game told me "finding a more balanced game" lol |
| 23:27.10 | VIad | "oh you liked to play with these guys? you lost? fear not! Ill put you in a totally random group now!" |
| 23:31.34 | VIad | LOL |
| 23:31.38 | VIad | my phone is too old to play pokemon go |
| 23:31.41 | VIad | wtf? |
| 23:31.53 | VIad | I got a galaxy s3 :p |
| 23:32.06 | nevcairiel | s3 is like old |
| 23:32.12 | nevcairiel | we're at 7 now |
| 23:32.31 | VIad | I got cyanogenmod on it |
| 23:32.45 | VIad | cm11, think its android 4 |
| 23:32.50 | VIad | well time for the root functions! |
| 23:32.56 | VIad | mimic another version to download it anyway :p |
| 23:33.34 | VIad | hardware wise I dont know why its not supported |
| 23:33.44 | VIad | its the same as the s7 minus the more powerful hardware |
| 23:35.11 | VIad | http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/niantic-inc/pokemon-go/pokemon-go-0-29-0-release/pokemon-go-0-29-0-android-apk-download/ |
| 23:35.27 | VIad | reddit about it too https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemongo/comments/4rhzzl/your_device_is_not_compatible_with_this_version/ |
| 23:35.38 | Stanzilla | that was pretty interesting |
| 23:35.40 | Stanzilla | yesterday |
| 23:36.15 | nevcairiel | its also location locked and you need an apk when you use it around here, i thik |
| 23:36.17 | nevcairiel | thinkk |
| 23:36.26 | Ressy | not location locked. |
| 23:36.35 | Ressy | not available in Canada, if you can get the apk, you can run it |
| 23:37.09 | VIad | thats what I did |
| 23:37.10 | VIad | and it runs fine |
| 23:37.11 | VIad | :p |
| 23:37.12 | Ressy | ditto |
| 23:37.16 | nevcairiel | how is "not available in canada" not location locked |
| 23:37.26 | Ressy | Not available via the play store |
| 23:37.28 | VIad | probably because S2 uses like android 2, but I got it modded so its better than the vendor |
| 23:37.29 | Ressy | but you can still play it. |
| 23:37.42 | VIad | S3* |
| 23:38.13 | Stanzilla | that is a location lock, Ressy |
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| 23:38.25 | VIad | but why? |
| 23:38.30 | nevcairiel | very few apps would actually implement a full location check in the app itself |
| 23:38.34 | nevcairiel | that would just be weird |
| 23:38.44 | Ressy | most don't bother checking location in-app. |
| 23:39.04 | Ressy | They're just not ready for world-wide release yet. *shrugs* |
| 23:39.24 | VIad | I can see why |
| 23:39.30 | Ressy | lol |
| 23:39.32 | VIad | servers overloaded and cant register my account |
| 23:39.55 | nevcairiel | well thats why the world couldnt wait and went against the publishers wishes |
| 23:40.04 | nevcairiel | s/why/because/ |
| 23:40.15 | VIad | I guess you need a load balancer |
| 23:40.28 | VIad | so your one webserver doesn't overheat |
| 23:41.04 | Ressy | o.O |
| 23:41.12 | Ressy | Its Niantic. They run Ingress. |
| 23:41.25 | Ressy | Ingress is technically bigger. |
| 23:42.02 | znf | my ISP is retarded |
| 23:42.10 | znf | I can't set up auto-payments |
| 23:42.30 | VIad | Ressy: dont underestimate pokemon community |
| 23:42.37 | Ressy | shrugs |
| 23:42.44 | VIad | have you any idea how many adults buy and play pokemon games on nintendo? |
| 23:42.45 | znf | Ressy, pretty sure pokemon is bigger (fan-base) than ingress |
| 23:42.49 | Ressy | Nathan's getting into pokemon. Looking like I'm going to be as well. |
| 23:42.51 | VIad | its one of the major reasons nintendo handhelds exist even |
| 23:42.54 | nebula | VIad: you seem to be underestimating the ingress community |
| 23:42.59 | nebula | that shit was nuts when it came out |
| 23:43.11 | Ressy | nods |
| 23:43.18 | Ressy | Toronto ingress anomalies were massive. |
| 23:43.26 | nevcairiel | ingress was invite locked for a long time |
| 23:43.33 | Ressy | a year? |
| 23:43.43 | Ressy | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ytyAnkncJgk/VWuzbwjGU3I/AAAAAAAAQ_8/NsBwkItUdBs/w2708-h1058-no/PANO_20150530_173230.jpg |
| 23:43.46 | nevcairiel | gave them time to gather experience with infrastructure and build it up |
| 23:43.51 | VIad | I looked at ingress when it was new, was boring, uninstalled it :d |
| 23:43.52 | Ressy | Toronto Ingress Anomaly. Everyone downtown in a small area. |
| 23:43.58 | VIad | pokemon on the other hand... |
| 23:44.03 | VIad | could be good |
| 23:44.12 | nebula | same shit, different methods |
| 23:48.16 | mckenziemc | ingress was replaced by egress :o |
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| 23:49.19 | VIad | dunno what blizz did, but legion graphics are horrid http://ss.bool.no/capture_1467935345.png |
| 23:50.52 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 23:51.08 | nevcairiel | increase render scale to normal and dont troll us |
| 23:51.56 | mckenziemc | what's the point of render scale anyway |
| 23:52.05 | znf | more smoothie |
| 23:52.08 | znf | less smoothie |
| 23:52.11 | VIad | :d |
| 23:52.16 | VIad | I put it all to the lowest |
| 23:52.18 | VIad | like constant 200fps |
| 23:52.27 | Simca_ | yeah i figured you did |
| 23:52.28 | VIad | but playing with the scale 50-200% |
| 23:52.33 | Simca_ | the tree on the left looks horrid |
| 23:52.34 | VIad | like I didnt see any difference >100 |
| 23:52.42 | VIad | anythin <100 looks horrid |
| 23:52.44 | nevcairiel | >100 is just for AA purposes |
| 23:52.52 | VIad | I couldn't even notice a pixel different |
| 23:52.58 | VIad | but noticed fps difference |
| 23:53.26 | Simca_ | it's possible they no longer redraw the same area when you change settings |
| 23:53.27 | VIad | at 200% its like tiny tiny tiny better AA :p |
| 23:53.35 | VIad | nah I notice something |
| 23:53.38 | VIad | like screen does change |
| 23:53.42 | VIad | lighting and such |
| 23:54.28 | VIad | oh god |
| 23:54.32 | VIad | I hate sliders with no stepping |
| 23:54.36 | VIad | max bg fps slider |
| 23:54.40 | VIad | 59-61 |
| 23:54.46 | VIad | can't set it to 60 :p |
| 23:54.53 | nebula | delete the install and start over |
| 23:55.06 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:55.21 | VIad | ye |
| 23:55.25 | Simca_ | change it in config.wtf when the game is exited if it bugs you enough |
| 23:55.35 | Simca_ | but background FPS at 60 is really pointless |
| 23:55.51 | VIad | just looks nicer when I tab out to chat |
| 23:55.51 | VIad | :p |
| 23:55.56 | VIad | and saves some cpu cycles |
| 23:55.59 | VIad | or gpu cycles |
| 23:56.04 | nevcairiel | so disables background fps limit :p |
| 23:56.19 | VIad | isnt it good when it limits? no point having more fps when I dont look at it :p |
| 23:56.33 | Simca_ | I keep mine at the default of 30 fps background limit |
| 23:56.54 | VIad | works too |
| 23:56.55 | nevcairiel | i usually play in fullscreen anyway because of gsync, it stops rendering entirely when i tab out |
| 23:57.08 | VIad | stops rendering if I minimize I think |
| 23:57.19 | VIad | gsync :p |
| 23:57.32 | VIad | tbh never had vsync issues at all |
| 23:57.35 | VIad | both on or off |
| 23:57.45 | VIad | especially when vsync is off, like people say tearing and issues, but never seen it myself |
| 23:57.52 | VIad | vsync is off in wow for me |
| 23:58.05 | Simca_ | there's no point in having it off so i leave it on |
| 23:58.08 | mckenziemc | do you play fullscreen or windowed? |
| 23:58.14 | VIad | windowed |
| 23:58.20 | mckenziemc | that's why |
| 23:58.34 | Simca_ | yeah i have the same experience (don't notice tearing) and I also play windowed |
| 23:58.38 | nevcairiel | windowed doesnt tear on modern windows because the windows compositor overrides that |
| 23:58.43 | znf | who actually plays fullscreen? :-/ |
| 23:58.49 | VIad | I play other games fullscreen too that I want to immerse |
| 23:58.52 | nevcairiel | i do, because gsync is awesome |
| 23:58.53 | VIad | on wow I often tab out so often |
| 23:58.53 | znf | I mean, the only reason I can see to do that is g-sync, but nevcairiel said that they fixed it |
| 23:58.58 | VIad | that its pointless to fullscreen it |
| 23:59.03 | nevcairiel | windowed gsync is still a bit buggy |
| 23:59.10 | Simca_ | yeah, same VIad. |
| 23:59.10 | mckenziemc | what's gsync |
| 23:59.19 | VIad | will I see gsync in action if I anyway dont experience tearing with vsync off? |
| 23:59.29 | znf | mckenziemc, syncs displays' refresh rate to the actual framerate of the game |
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| 23:59.48 | nevcairiel | gsync definitely helps with smoothness if you cant maintain constant fps |
