| 00:06.18 | Ressy | Cairenn: Canada Post gave the 72hr lockout notice this morning. |
| 00:06.36 | Cairenn | Ressy: yeah, I saw that >< |
| 00:07.25 | Ressy | The uncertainty as to whether the union was going to strike, had people not sending things via CP, and they had nothing to sort after lunch... So its cheaper for CP to lock them out. |
| 00:08.30 | Ressy | It'll be interesting with Prime Day next week. |
| 00:08.41 | Cairenn | Yeah |
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| 00:09.47 | Ressy | Looks like Amazon's already switched over to their own delivery service for this... I bought an antenna yesterday at 1am.. Showed up today via Amazon delivery. |
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| 01:28.41 | tem | Has there been any work done on some kind of CI for wow addons? |
| 01:29.09 | bshelden | That... that'd require either a bot or a hell of a simulator |
| 01:29.37 | tem | not so much the testing side of that |
| 01:29.47 | tem | more so the deploying builds side |
| 01:41.11 | bshelden | It's a zip file... |
| 01:41.19 | bshelden | deploy = extract here |
| 01:41.23 | nebula | tem: I forked a bash script that works similar to curse's packager, works with travis, eg, https://github.com/nebularg/PackagerTest/blob/master/.travis.yml or whatever else you want to use for CI |
| 01:43.41 | nebula | bshelden: you can do a lot more for deployment than just zipping a directory. |
| 01:56.43 | mckenziemc | what's CI |
| 01:58.36 | Stanzilla | continous integration |
| 02:01.23 | tem | I don't want to deploy it to my machine |
| 02:01.28 | tem | I want to deploy to addon sites |
| 02:01.47 | Stanzilla | look at what neb posted then |
| 02:01.47 | tem | because dealing with their ui is... |
| 02:01.49 | tem | yeah looks promising |
| 02:01.53 | tem | thanks @nebula |
| 02:01.57 | tem | this isn't slack |
| 02:01.58 | tem | hmm |
| 02:02.32 | nebula | https://github.com/BigWigsMods/packager/blob/testing/release.sh would be the last i did |
| 02:03.54 | nebula | travis makes it easy to add your own integrations, or you can just use their builtin stuff which includes slack notifications |
| 02:04.10 | Stanzilla | language: c |
| 02:04.12 | Stanzilla | ;E |
| 02:04.59 | nebula | that just sets up the default build stuff, so for lua it's whatever |
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| 02:58.31 | Simca_ | Tentacled: something is definitely wrong with that item.adb; i'm not just crazy |
| 03:00.16 | Simca_ | header ends at byte 0x40, like it should. header indicates recordsize is 11, number of records is 567. |
| 03:00.24 | Simca_ | stringsize is 2 |
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| 03:02.51 | Simca_ | 0x40 + (11 * 567) + 2 = 0x189F |
| 03:03.38 | Simca_ | but going to back and looking for the list of valid IDs, that starts at 0x3060 |
| 03:05.44 | kd3 | oh c'mon GDQ... |
| 03:06.18 | Simca_ | there is a massive block of the file that is just 00s, which is impossible in this format, and a testament to how horrendously corrupt this is |
| 03:08.13 | Simca_ | actually, this almost looks like an offset map |
| 03:38.00 | znf | dem login servers be full |
| 03:39.11 | znf | dem realms be not available, Stanzilla |
| 03:40.40 | mckenziemc | barricades znf's oxygen supply. |
| 03:43.19 | znf | uh, DH nerf |
| 03:48.27 | Fisker | superhugs Cairenn |
| 03:48.35 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 03:48.53 | mckenziemc | supernerfs Fisker and hugs Cairenn. |
| 03:49.02 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 04:18.12 | znf | I like how people claim that Artifact Talent Tree is actually a choice, lol |
| 04:19.29 | nebula | how long does it take to fill out everything? it'll probably be a choice for the first raid tier |
| 04:20.25 | znf | if you burn yourself out, I think you can get all points in ~2 weeks |
| 04:20.41 | znf | I mean, not the extra 20 points at the end |
| 04:20.49 | znf | but the actual interesting passives |
| 04:20.54 | nebula | right |
| 04:21.14 | znf | number completely taken out of my ass |
| 04:21.36 | znf | If you start early with the artifact knowledge research (as soon as you can) |
| 04:22.04 | nebula | i haven't played much at 110, so i have no idea how fast you build your knowledge and get the big ap tokens |
| 04:22.32 | znf | They're all influenced by the knowledge research |
| 04:22.35 | nebula | is the research the only way to increase it? |
| 04:22.38 | znf | yeah |
| 04:22.48 | znf | research rank 10 is 500% increase, I believe? |
| 04:23.07 | znf | but also, rank 23 for me is 64000 AP |
| 04:23.19 | nebula | all the big boy tokens i've got say not affected by knowledge |
| 04:23.30 | nebula | like 500/800 ap |
| 04:23.38 | znf | I'm at Rank7 or 8 now, I forgot which exactly, and I get an average of ~900 AP for the world quest tokens |
| 04:23.49 | nebula | ah, ok |
| 04:23.56 | znf | 1900 from the first heroic of the day |
| 04:24.05 | znf | and ~345 (I think) for the next ones |
| 04:24.31 | znf | The normal questing (story wise) ones are not affected by research |
| 04:24.36 | [TOM_RUS] | znf, rank 10 is like 850% increase |
| 04:25.13 | znf | [TOM_RUS], right, thanks, don't remember the actual % number for the ranks |
| 04:25.21 | nebula | beta is down? |
| 04:25.33 | znf | realms should be coming up soon |
| 04:25.35 | znf | after patch |
| 04:25.49 | nebula | oh, thought that happened forever ago |
| 04:26.11 | znf | it usually takes like 2 hours for them to be back up after a patch :D |
| 04:26.23 | znf | Right now I'm at this http://legion.wowhead.com/artifact-calc/priest/shadow/HjzCIvAvwBL9AS_gEv8DMCATAwMwQDMFAzBwMwkDVDAQ |
| 04:26.54 | znf | And it took me ~6 days, I think, after I had to start from 0 because of a quest bug |
| 04:27.01 | znf | but I got to keep my research % |
| 04:28.43 | znf | so I need 509.210 more AP to get the last interesting trait |
| 04:29.25 | znf | meanwhile, in ~6 days, I got aproximatively 250k AP in total |
| 04:30.26 | znf | I guess 2.5 ~ 3 weeks is a decent estimate to get all interesting traits, if you know that you have to start as soon as possible with AK research |
| 04:31.39 | znf | also, I haven't done much Mythic dungeons, but you get a significant amount of AP from there; If you got a good guild group, you can chain run them |
| 04:38.27 | pompy1 | "Also, if you use up all of your data, rather than automatically billing you for new gigabytes at an increased rate, the carrier will simply throttle your data down to 128Kbps." |
| 04:38.47 | nebula | how thoughtful |
| 04:39.37 | znf | "unlimited Internet" pompy1 |
| 04:39.48 | pompy1 | lol |
| 04:39.49 | znf | I got that too on my mobile carrier |
| 04:40.06 | znf | After 4GB (on 3G), they get me down to 128k |
| 04:40.17 | znf | Tough I get 30GB on 4G |
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| 05:04.45 | Fisker | postworkhugs Cairenn |
| 05:04.51 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 05:27.45 | Amarande | *sigh* now I get to wait till next week to play WoW again ... dang you win10 :( |
| 05:40.53 | kullervo | http://i.imgur.com/nlNdjdS.png |
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| 07:13.48 | nevcairiel | znf: your math doesnt take into account that on live the artifact knowledge research will take longer, as right now on beta the built-in speedup has already made it go substantially faster |
| 07:14.09 | nevcairiel | until raids open you'll get to maybe level 5 |
| 07:15.09 | znf | Oh, there's a speed up on beta? |
| 07:15.14 | znf | TIL |
| 07:15.50 | nevcairiel | its on live too, but it takes actual real-time to get faster |
| 07:15.56 | nevcairiel | and beta has been running for a while already |
| 07:16.06 | nevcairiel | it starts at 5 days |
| 07:17.10 | nevcairiel | (its their catch-up mechanic for alts or people that join late) |
| 07:17.51 | znf | Ah, it's a catch-up mechanic. Interesting. The the first raids will need some number crunching for all specs to determine which traits to go for |
| 07:18.05 | Miiru | 5 days starting from expansion release? or 5 days starting from artifact acquiring? |
| 07:18.06 | znf | Back to cookie-cutter builds for the first month then |
| 07:18.33 | znf | Should be expansion release |
| 07:19.11 | nevcairiel | its independent of your own characters actions, the research just takes 5 days upon release |
| 07:19.19 | Miiru | oh that is nice since I will probably get the expansion a few days late |
| 07:19.23 | nevcairiel | how fast it accelerates .. who knows |
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| 07:23.55 | nevcairiel | of course if you start later, you are still behind on research |
| 07:50.00 | VIad | I need like rank 17 to git gud on my DH live, pre that they are weaker compared to blood |
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| 08:20.22 | Yoshimo | do you think it will be possible in the release to end up without artifact weapons if you really try to? My demonhunter has none and the quest to get them isn't offered. |
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| 08:21.40 | nevcairiel | the quest to get them is the first thing you do, but on beta many chars ended up in a bugged state because they changed the way the quests flow |
| 08:23.27 | Semlar | weapons are a crutch |
| 08:23.58 | nevcairiel | i want to see you go melee and punch the boss in the face Semlar |
| 08:24.14 | nevcairiel | hunter are like the most weapon focused chars ever |
| 08:24.19 | Semlar | wingclips nevcairiel |
| 08:24.20 | nevcairiel | remember the "hunter weapon" fiasco |
| 08:24.38 | Semlar | every weapon is a hunter weapon |
| 08:26.31 | Semlar | except wands for some reason |
| 08:26.36 | Semlar | which is ridiculous because they're ranged |
| 08:32.26 | Yoshimo | but they are magic |
| 08:33.10 | Miiru | well it is not like they do not use any other magical stuff :D |
| 08:33.32 | Miiru | double wand hunter mhm |
| 08:34.37 | Semlar | dual wielding bows |
| 08:35.07 | Miiru | that would only work for pistols I guess |
| 08:35.27 | Miiru | unless it is a bow that shows by itself |
| 08:37.33 | nevcairiel | its called a crossbow |
| 08:37.59 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Y2p0cN0.jpg |
| 08:38.12 | Semlar | maybe you hunters just aren't on my level |
| 08:38.20 | nevcairiel | of insanity? |
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| 09:27.49 | Semlar | not guilty! |
| 09:31.09 | znf | let's log on |
| 09:31.17 | znf | and see if they fixed tailoring |
| 09:31.39 | nevcairiel | if you want to be absolutely sure, create a new char, its very well possible yours is just in a broken state |
| 09:32.51 | foxlit | Stanzilla: looks like a timing issue in MP involving item cache interaction. I'm not sure how exactly you escaped the garrison table that time, but you can probably reproduce this by deleting World of Warcraft\Cache and retracing your actions. |
| 09:34.40 | znf | uh http://i.imgur.com/TmIWJ0B.png |
| 09:36.05 | nevcairiel | we've been telling people those exist for a while, but they didnt believe us |
| 09:36.34 | nevcairiel | there is also one for a raid quest |
| 09:37.31 | znf | oooh http://i.imgur.com/pWOnmLc.png |
| 09:39.25 | znf | oh, it actually gives bonus seal: http://i.imgur.com/cfK8agS.png |
| 09:42.36 | foxlit | in some ways putting those weekly raid quests back on Archmage Lan'dalock would be preferable. |
| 09:43.49 | nevcairiel | archmage who? |
| 09:44.31 | nevcairiel | znf: getting that bonus roll on a high percentage is probably goign to be hard tho |
| 09:45.18 | znf | it's hard to even get it 100%, nevermind the bonus |
| 09:45.29 | znf | it's kind of annoying that you can't have more than 6 champions active |
| 09:45.50 | znf | the only follower that is decent as a bodyguard is Sol, which is a Holy priest :-/ |
| 09:45.55 | foxlit | I get to 120% by herp-derping some champions into that mission. |
| 09:46.20 | znf | Uuuuuuh! UUUUUUUUH! |
| 09:46.24 | znf | they fixed tailoring |
| 09:46.46 | Semlar | how do you get the function a particular slash command will call |
| 09:47.03 | Semlar | like "/run" |
| 09:48.02 | znf | hmm, only 3 seals this week? |
| 09:49.14 | znf | Hmm, how come this quest is suddenly blue? http://i.imgur.com/gKexXup.png |
| 09:51.27 | Semlar | looks like it's hash_SlashCmdList |
| 09:55.36 | znf | Kesava, this build introduced disco nameplates |
| 10:23.32 | VIad | znf: arent colors based on difficulty? |
| 10:23.48 | VIad | I mean it should go hand in hand with reward of course |
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| 10:29.13 | znf | VIad, it was never blue :P |
| 10:29.22 | znf | also, it's just a quest where you have to pick up an item and deliver it |
| 10:29.29 | VIad | maybe it scales |
| 10:29.37 | VIad | like the rewards ilvl scale with my ilvl too |
| 10:29.45 | foxlit | item crits viad for 2000k, viad dies. |
| 10:30.12 | VIad | 's Purgatory and Death Strike heals him back up. |
| 10:32.20 | nevcairiel | znf: its in the middle of the city though, probably not the safest of areas |
| 10:33.34 | nevcairiel | maybe they also change the quest up a bit |
| 10:35.05 | znf | I'll check it out soon |
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| 10:57.21 | karl_w_w | https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4rgqe5/heres_how_to_prevent_windows_from_making_your/ |
| 10:57.53 | VIad | WTF karl_w_w mind blown |
| 10:58.37 | karl_w_w | enjoys watching VIad's brains splatter against the wall |
| 11:00.10 | znf | Semlar, what's with the disco nameplates? |
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| 11:06.57 | nevcairiel | neat there is a raid WQ that gives 3550 AP |
| 11:07.07 | nevcairiel | at my current research level anyway |
| 11:08.14 | znf | these disco-plates are ruining my immersion |
| 11:09.51 | Semlar | i don't know what you're talking about |
| 11:09.58 | Miiru | talkingheadframe i guess |
| 11:26.24 | foxlit | I feel like the word "immersion" has lost its meaning in relation to wow |
| 11:26.25 | znf | Semlar, https://gfycat.com/GrippingLoneKinkajou |
| 11:26.59 | znf | the fuck compression |
| 11:27.04 | Semlar | that's from showing and hiding the nameplates |
| 11:27.20 | Semlar | it's purging the textures from memory and it has to reload them, i thought he took that out |
| 11:27.43 | znf | it's disco mode |
| 11:28.19 | foxlit | It's all "my immersion this" "my immersion that" and none of it seems to mean much more than "I don't like this, and therefore it is objectively bad" |
| 11:28.59 | karl_w_w | wow what an immersion hater |
| 11:29.49 | znf | couldn't care less about immersion |
| 11:31.24 | znf | this game's "immersion" has run it's course |
| 11:32.56 | foxlit | "znf: [...] are ruining my immersion" |
| 11:33.08 | foxlit | so no need to fix anything, then? :) |
| 11:33.41 | Yoshimo | im sure there will be ways to hide them |
| 11:33.59 | znf | foxlit, I was being sarcastic |
| 11:34.07 | znf | it's just flickering like shit and it's annoying |
| 11:34.51 | foxlit | I don't think that's what sarcasm means either. |
| 11:38.31 | foxlit | (but yeah, it's flickering like shit and is annoying) |
| 11:42.54 | znf | is it only knp doing this? |
| 11:51.43 | foxlit | framexml seems to have no issues |
| 11:52.26 | nevcairiel | its probably one of those hacks that are supposed to increase performance biting you in the ass :D |
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| 11:58.59 | Semlar | yes, it's from hiding/moving/showing the nameplate to save framerates |
| 11:59.05 | Semlar | i guess i wasn't clear |
| 11:59.48 | Semlar | i thought kesava took that out of kui because this issue was brought up a couple months ago |
| 12:01.34 | Semlar | it was from the "releaseUITextures" cvar clearing the textures out of memory every time they were hidden and the delay after they get shown to reload them into the game |
| 12:03.28 | foxlit | Hm, from the evil-ideas department, they should just disable addon support on 32-bit clients. |
| 12:04.28 | nevcairiel | or failing that, at least make the 64-bit client sane and just have those quirks in 32-bit |
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| 12:23.36 | VIad | addons behave different in32bit? wat |
| 12:24.21 | VIad | I know of the basics like integers are smaller and such, but how does addons behave different on 32bit? does the default UI behave the same? |
| 12:29.47 | znf | Semlar, yeah, he mentions that on github |
| 12:29.52 | znf | but that cvar does nothing now |
| 12:39.30 | VIad | znf: are you playing on a potato? |
| 12:39.33 | VIad | 10 fps? |
| 12:39.46 | znf | huh? |
| 12:39.55 | VIad | the gif you linked |
| 12:40.02 | znf | shitty gif making |
| 12:40.04 | VIad | :D |
| 12:40.39 | znf | dunno wtf did ShareX fuck up there |
| 12:40.50 | VIad | I hope foxlit/nevcariel to link me what addon differences 32/64 bits |
| 12:41.14 | znf | oh, right |
| 12:41.16 | znf | bitrate 500k |
| 12:41.55 | znf | Semlar, I'll give you all of the cookies in the world if you make me an addon that colors flightpath world quest markers based on the reward type |
| 12:42.32 | Semlar | flightpath world quest markers? |
| 12:43.08 | znf | zoom in? |
| 12:43.11 | znf | the flightpath? |
| 12:43.44 | Semlar | i haven't gone to the broken isles |
| 12:44.05 | Semlar | so i don't know what that looks like |
| 12:45.04 | VIad | what about a list on the world map/taxi map that letsyou browse/filter stuff and clicking on a button to take the nearest FP to do that quest? |
| 12:45.42 | Semlar | i normally just replace the taxi map with the world map |
| 12:46.48 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/C8QZyb2.jpg |
| 12:48.04 | Semlar | i guess i should do whatever it is you have to do to get over to that continent |
| 12:48.50 | znf | 10 quests? :P |
| 12:49.04 | Semlar | 10 quests!? i haven't done 10 quests in my life |
| 12:49.43 | karl_w_w | if horses could vote what would be their top priority? |
| 12:49.55 | Semlar | more salt |
| 12:50.09 | Semlar | do any of them involve killing anything because i only have teleport spells bound to my action bars |
| 12:50.09 | karl_w_w | a stable economy |
| 12:50.53 | znf | I've no idea |
| 12:51.21 | Semlar | alright i just dueled an npc to death with ice lance |
| 12:51.33 | Semlar | how do you play a mage |
| 12:53.20 | znf | press random buttons |
| 12:53.39 | znf | I really dislike it when AdiBags does this http://i.imgur.com/2HuHDlR.jpg |
| 12:54.00 | Semlar | alright i'm on a boat |
| 12:54.25 | Semlar | autoaccept just skipped 3 cinematics so i have no idea what's going on |
| 12:54.34 | Semlar | whoops 4 |
| 12:54.38 | znf | yeah, you're going to have to kill something there |
| 12:54.40 | znf | big demon |
| 12:54.41 | znf | or something |
| 12:54.46 | Semlar | can i do it with ice lance? |
| 12:54.52 | Semlar | it hits for like 10 damage |
| 12:55.14 | znf | put your pet to work |
| 12:55.18 | znf | make it auto attack |
| 12:55.21 | znf | do you still have a pet as frost? |
| 12:55.34 | Semlar | well i don't currently have a pet out but that doesn't mean much |
| 12:56.09 | Semlar | what happened to that page in the spellbook that told you how to play |
| 12:56.40 | znf | press P? |
| 12:56.43 | Semlar | it listed out like the 3 buttons you were supposed to spam |
| 12:57.25 | Semlar | i can't put a passive ability on my action bar |
| 12:57.33 | Semlar | what did i do to my water elemental |
| 12:57.55 | Semlar | oh one of the talents i picked got rid of it |
| 12:58.13 | Semlar | i can't change my talents because i'm not in a rested area |
| 12:58.53 | Semlar | i can change my spec but i can't change my talents? |
| 12:59.25 | nevcairiel | correct |
| 12:59.31 | Semlar | alright i have pyroblast now |
| 13:01.13 | Semlar | this scenario is lagging like crazy |
| 13:02.18 | Semlar | i guess it gives me some time to read my tooltips |
| 13:06.46 | znf | nevcairiel, where did you read about the catch-up thingie being active on beta? |
| 13:07.17 | nevcairiel | well its kinda obvious |
| 13:07.29 | nevcairiel | we know that the research is supposed to get faster |
| 13:07.43 | nevcairiel | and in the time i've played there, it went from 5 days slowly to 2 days |
| 13:07.51 | nevcairiel | i think its almost at 1 day nw |
| 13:08.10 | nevcairiel | but i ran out of OR to do any more and i cba to farm |
| 13:08.38 | nevcairiel | most recent mention of that mechanic was probably in watchers Q&A |
| 13:08.45 | nevcairiel | three weeks ago |
| 13:08.59 | nevcairiel | this thursday is order hall and artifact Q&A, might mention it there again |
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| 13:14.35 | Semlar | unskippable cinematic! |
| 13:14.58 | nevcairiel | arent most cinematic disabled in the beta anyway |
| 13:15.11 | Semlar | i've had 5 so far |
| 13:15.37 | nevcairiel | well many are just placeholders that play some generic blizzard video |
| 13:15.50 | nevcairiel | because they dont want to spoil those in beta |
| 13:16.07 | Semlar | maybe, i haven't played any of them except the one that my addon couldn't skip |
| 13:16.08 | foxlit | makes for some rather bizarre questing. |
| 13:16.50 | znf | yes |
| 13:16.58 | znf | legion cinematic ---> wow vanilla cinematic |
| 13:17.00 | znf | O.o |
| 13:17.03 | foxlit | Board a ship, warcraft cinematic, "Kill Greymane: 0/1" |
| 13:18.23 | nevcairiel | horde gets to kill greymane? |
| 13:19.40 | foxlit | He gets better. |
| 13:19.48 | Semlar | i could literally go make a sandwich before my character finishes casting something |
| 13:20.09 | Semlar | it's a good thing this is so easy |
| 13:20.43 | Semlar | i don't know why this is lagging so much because it thinks i have 80ms latency to the server |
| 13:20.47 | foxlit | I assume. It's difficult to figure out what is going on with that plot in Stormheim without the cutscene inserts. |
| 13:22.12 | mckenziemc | spoiler alert: Semlar dies |
| 13:26.29 | Arrow|work | weee, two of my top coworkers have put in their resignations in the last week |
| 13:26.46 | Arrow|work | and a 3rd in another department we heavily depend on |
| 13:26.53 | Arrow|work | is fucked |
| 13:27.11 | mckenziemc | soon to be Arrow|broke? |
| 13:27.58 | Arrow|work | no but i need to either start looking harder myself or make a good case why i need a massive raise |
| 13:28.10 | Arrow|work | and the later is not happening |
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| 13:30.14 | Arrow|work | A-KO: i need a new job |
| 13:30.27 | A-KO | oh? |
| 13:30.28 | A-KO | aren't you in OH? |
| 13:31.27 | Arrow|work | yes |
| 13:33.03 | A-KO | hmm..... |
| 13:33.06 | A-KO | whatcha looking to do? |
| 13:33.15 | Arrow|work | networking |
| 13:35.02 | mckenziemc | like what we have going on here? |
| 13:36.47 | Arrow|work | like making the internet work stuff |
| 13:37.19 | Semlar | getting pictures of cats from point A to point B |
| 13:37.26 | Arrow|work | they let it slip that i already know the root login to the core routers the other day |
| 13:37.41 | Arrow|work | core routers for one of the largest isps in the us |
| 13:38.02 | mckenziemc | the internet was still designed to work without you! |
| 13:38.12 | znf | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4rhrxu/some_weird_crazy_stuff_going_on_with_a_scam_that/ |
| 13:38.13 | znf | cool |
| 13:38.22 | mckenziemc | maybe not very well... |
| 13:38.23 | znf | first malware in wow? :D |
| 13:38.42 | znf | ah, it's what Infus said |
| 13:38.53 | Arrow|work | pff my family has a very close relationship with making the internet work |
| 13:39.27 | Semlar | how do people fall for this |
| 13:40.55 | Infus | well in this case only one person has to fall |
| 13:41.04 | Infus | and then the whole guild gets a message by a guild member |
| 13:42.16 | Infus | it's unclear whether WA is involved in this case though |
| 13:42.38 | mckenziemc | inb4 /run gets removed :( |
| 13:43.06 | Infus | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745644941?page=1 contains some more details, let's see |
| 13:43.32 | Semlar | all they have to do is tell you to download and install weak auras, then open it and type out a hack and save it as an aura |
| 13:43.43 | Semlar | it's brilliant |
| 13:43.56 | Infus | it's not using WA |
| 13:44.05 | Semlar | he suggested removing /run |
| 13:44.06 | Infus | it's much more brilliant this time |
| 13:45.07 | Semlar | this is super old though |
| 13:45.15 | Infus | is it? |
| 13:45.20 | znf | dear god, does /run provide a competitive advantage? |
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| 13:45.34 | foxlit | Well, good idea anyway. |
| 13:45.37 | Semlar | this was the "back door" that was built into elvui and it was older than that |
| 13:45.58 | mckenziemc | "NEVER give anyone your password... or run arbitrary scripts... or do anything stupid......." |
| 13:46.27 | Semlar | trick someone into running a command that runs anything someone sends on the addon channel |
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| 13:51.31 | Arrow|work | this isnt the first time something like this has happened, theres a reason LoadString was removed |
| 13:51.48 | Semlar | loadstring is in the game |
| 13:51.54 | foxlit | but LoadString is not |
| 13:52.00 | Semlar | what's the difference |
| 13:52.04 | A-KO | lol Arrow|work (RE: Router pw) |
| 13:52.04 | foxlit | capitalization. |
| 13:52.12 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 13:52.16 | Arrow|work | i thought it got removed? |
| 13:52.19 | VIad | I did that with friends like in wrath and made them say stuff in chat and giggled |
| 13:52.33 | Semlar | loadstring is how the chat executes commands |
| 13:52.35 | VIad | but its obvious, never paste stuff in chat from randoms in private whispers |
| 13:52.42 | foxlit | loadstring is not how the chat executes commands. |
| 13:52.43 | Arrow|work | or am i thinking of the wrong thing |
| 13:53.02 | Arrow|work | foxlit: whats the lua function that runs compiled code |
| 13:53.13 | Arrow|work | probably the wrong word for it |
| 13:53.24 | Semlar | well it's how /dump executes commands |
| 13:53.26 | foxlit | loadstring. |
| 13:53.53 | foxlit | And you're right, you can no longer get it to load compiled bytecode. |
| 13:54.00 | Arrow|work | ah |
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| 13:57.52 | Ellypse | They are roleplaying addons that lets you create custom items that are bits of Lua code, and you can trade them. So you get people literally handing out arbitrary code to each others. |
| 13:58.05 | Ellypse | You can guess what people do with that |
| 14:01.50 | VIad | Ellypse: that just contains a table with info how to behave |
| 14:01.56 | VIad | it doesnt loadstring and just do what ever |
| 14:01.58 | VIad | or does it? |
| 14:02.08 | VIad | if so then its a fatal flaw the author should know better |
| 14:02.18 | Ellypse | Well it's kind of the main feature |
| 14:02.32 | VIad | difference if it uses loadstring or not |
| 14:03.13 | Ellypse | It's literally a textarea where you enter code and your code is executed on the other end, so it must use loadstring, although I have not looked at the code to be completely honest |
| 14:03.49 | Ellypse | GryphonHeartItem does it, Total RP 2 if the player is marked as trusted |
| 14:04.12 | VIad | thats a problem |
| 14:04.21 | VIad | only if they execute it in a safe sandbox environment |
| 14:04.44 | Ellypse | I'm working on Total RP 3 where we will actually have a whitelist of trusted functions that the users can use, so the textarea is here, but we do have the secure environment :) |
| 14:05.51 | Ellypse | But doesn't WeakAuras do a loadstring too if you copy stuff from some blog somewhere inside it? |
| 14:06.13 | Infus | yes |
| 14:06.26 | Infus | but the environment is a bit restricted |
| 14:06.41 | Ellypse | Okay :) Good to know |
| 14:06.52 | Infus | we also warn the user about the code, and offer him to show the code before the import |
| 14:07.15 | Ellypse | Oh nice |
| 14:07.31 | Infus | a proper sandbox is hard to do and lots of work, though it's something I'd like to do |
| 14:07.53 | Ellypse | We want to do that too in Total RP 3 so when you trade an item with someone it states in the tooltip what are the functions with an explication of what it does |
| 14:08.12 | Ellypse | It is indeed a lot of work |
| 14:08.26 | Infus | so you already have a sandbox? |
| 14:09.02 | Ellypse | Yes. It's the other developer working on the add-on that did it, his more experience than me, so I can't go into details :/ |
| 14:14.41 | VIad | like how blizz does it |
| 14:14.57 | VIad | they sandbox and disable apis to limit what you can do |
| 14:15.22 | VIad | weakauras on the other hand is very open because you want and need flexibility to let people make it do what ever imaginable |
| 14:15.29 | VIad | a RP mod probably doesnt need that |
| 14:15.39 | Ellypse | Right, I think its quite similar. Creating a local environment with imported functions and executing the code inside it. |
| 14:15.46 | Ellypse | Well, you would be surprised |
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| 14:16.31 | VIad | wonder if Guill ever got in touch with storyline guy |
| 14:16.37 | Ellypse | He did |
| 14:16.40 | Ellypse | I am |
| 14:16.47 | Telkostrasz | We are* |
| 14:16.48 | VIad | ah right |
| 14:16.48 | Ellypse | Well we are, with Telkostrasz who just arrived ^^ |
| 14:17.00 | VIad | I am overwatching so didnt read all the chat |
| 14:17.20 | Ellypse | Well I didn't say anything, I was shy and waiting for the right time ^^ |
| 14:17.43 | Ellypse | He told us about this IRC channel and so far I learned a lot of stuff :D |
| 14:18.52 | Ellypse | And yes, :GetModelFileID() does solve our issue and it saves us and we are grateful for this community as from what I gathered that functions was not in the first beta builds until someone asked for it here :) |
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| 14:24.29 | Semlar | yeah whenever you want something you can just ping Guill and ask for it |
| 14:24.59 | Infus | and he'll tell you, "not for 7.0" :) |
| 14:25.16 | Semlar | he's like a magic 8 ball |
| 14:25.28 | Ellypse | Haha, noted ;) |
| 14:25.59 | Semlar | as long as it's something they were going to do anyway he'll get right on it |
| 14:27.35 | nevcairiel | well at this point its pretty late in the cycle, having asked a couple months ago helped |
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| 14:31.06 | VIad | Guill has a strict PMS cycle, too late now for any requests. not in the mood. |
| 14:34.26 | VIad | it was a joke about her cycles. nevcairiel means dev cycle :p |
| 14:34.36 | VIad | atm they bugfix major issues and prep for 7.1 |
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| 14:50.02 | VIad | its like people are sleeping or something. and no one wanted to tell me the difference for addons 32/64 bit |
| 14:50.19 | VIad | unless its only the fact integers are larger in 64 bit :p |
| 14:50.22 | VIad | if so then its no news |
| 14:50.50 | nevcairiel | Lua doesnt use integers :p |
| 14:51.59 | Miiru | miniloot should have an mouseover function for each icon which would then animate-in a bigger frame showing some sort of item tooltip! |
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| 14:54.22 | VIad | sure |
| 14:54.30 | VIad | larger floats :d |
| 14:54.44 | VIad | Miiru: ! |
| 14:54.49 | nevcairiel | its called a "double" |
| 14:54.57 | VIad | doubloons! |
| 14:55.21 | VIad | why do you have float and double in 32bits? |
| 14:55.30 | VIad | or, how |
| 14:55.44 | nevcairiel | because the FPU is independent of the integer processing units, its always the same size |
| 14:56.11 | nevcairiel | and you can also use 64-bit integers on 32-bit CPUs, it just gets slower as its emulated |
| 14:56.19 | VIad | oh nevcairiel, tell me why addons are different 32/64 |
| 14:56.31 | nevcairiel | because of your face |
| 14:56.35 | VIad | your mom |
| 14:57.00 | nevcairiel | i dont even know why you think they are different, must make sense in VIad world somewhere |
| 14:59.42 | VIad | you said it earlier, long ago |
| 14:59.43 | VIad | or foxlit |
| 14:59.49 | nevcairiel | no we didnt |
| 14:59.56 | Ellypse | About the flickering texture thing |
| 15:00.16 | Ellypse | If I remember correctly |
| 15:00.18 | nevcairiel | I said it should be different so they can get rid of those silly memory preserving concepts in 64-bit clients |
| 15:00.22 | nevcairiel | but they are not different |
| 15:05.15 | VIad | "Hm, from the evil-ideas department, they should just disable addon support on 32-bit clients." |
| 15:05.24 | VIad | why disable addon support if its a cvar that is the issue? |
| 15:05.55 | Infus | because the default for the cvar is tuned for 32bit |
| 15:06.04 | VIad | aha |
| 15:06.08 | Infus | if there would not be a 32bit client, it likely would have a different value |
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| 15:16.27 | znf | oh, I get to do this again? http://i.imgur.com/VIp0mqb.jpg |
| 15:17.26 | nevcairiel | do what? |
| 15:17.39 | znf | get rewards for campaign end! |
| 15:17.51 | nevcairiel | not like 1000 is much at that point |
| 15:18.11 | znf | indeed it's not |
| 15:18.33 | Amarande | heh I'm still only level 46 anyway |
| 15:18.36 | VIad | I am not sure why blizz made it so it takes us a year to max out the weapon |
| 15:18.52 | znf | but I notice that you now get a shadow relic (ie: something to fill the 3rd slot unlock) |
| 15:18.59 | VIad | some major patch ago the amounts were less, now its insane |
| 15:19.14 | nevcairiel | znf: thats nice, it was kinda sucky to unlock it and then still run around with 2 for ages |
| 15:19.17 | VIad | znf: think you need to campaign stuff, mine is bugged, havent gotten it unlocked |
| 15:19.18 | Amarande | apparently my atheros based wifi card has driver issues with windows 10 and I keep getting enormous lag spikes, disconnects, and sometimes even have my entire internet connection on the gaming pc fail |
| 15:19.29 | nevcairiel | VIad: they increased the cost by factor 4, and the rewards by factor 5, i'll let you do the math |
| 15:19.33 | Amarande | (just the gaming pc, so it's apparently not comcast going down as a whole) |
| 15:19.36 | VIad | nevcairiel: I didnt know |
| 15:19.45 | VIad | I just remember the patch note saying "scaled stuff" |
| 15:20.01 | Amarande | so now I have to wait for newegg to get me my nice shiny new intel 7260ac, they're sure spending their sweet time packaging it :| |
| 15:20.06 | VIad | why did they have to make the numbers so big, nevcairiel? |
| 15:20.24 | VIad | they could keep the numbers lower like they were and still have the 4:5 ratio |
| 15:20.27 | Amarande | VIad: yeah it would be nice if they made it easier to catch up on things |
| 15:20.35 | VIad | you got the weekly research thing |
| 15:20.42 | VIad | havent bothered with it on beta |
| 15:20.46 | VIad | was bugged for long time |
| 15:21.09 | nevcairiel | who cares what the numbers are |
| 15:21.22 | nevcairiel | this way allows the leveling part of it to be easily caught up on |
| 15:21.23 | VIad | feels like they just made it larger so people "feel" good |
| 15:21.27 | Amarande | actually was this a wod thing or is this a new thing for legion? I still haven't actually reached draenor so I can't tell heh |
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| 15:23.36 | VIad | wb Amarande |
| 15:23.39 | VIad | we missed you |
| 15:24.08 | znf | Oh. They fixed activating followers |
| 15:24.48 | VIad | Guill: last beta patch the game started to behave a bit odd. when I boot it, it rescales the window from 1980x1080 to some smaller resolution to within the desktop. I use window mode fyi. and if I maximize, it like heartstone, just keeps the ratio it had and has gaps at the edges :p |
| 15:25.06 | VIad | I fix it by manually making it larger then maximizing, then its back to normal behavior |
| 15:26.03 | znf | uhm, is emerald nightmare normal active? |
| 15:26.16 | VIad | raid testing is on schedule no? |
| 15:30.32 | Miiru | anyone knows an easy fix for this: http://boujong.net/grey.png |
| 15:31.01 | Miiru | i have noticed this on many texture |
| 15:31.12 | Miiru | it can be fixed by offsetting the coordinates by 0.5 |
| 15:31.24 | Miiru | but i cant do that for every scrollbar now can I :D |
| 15:33.06 | Semlar | "too many results to unpack" |
| 15:33.18 | Semlar | i didn't realize unpack had a limit |
| 15:34.05 | Semlar | you could do it to every scrollbar since you're using something to style them all anyway |
| 15:34.55 | Miiru | texture replacement does not need code :D |
| 15:35.01 | Amarande | thanks VIad :) |
| 15:35.48 | Semlar | replace it with a different texture |
| 15:35.51 | Amarande | also, above issue with wifi cards means I will probably never recommend dual booting pc's to novice users, as an aside ... I will always be recommending either dedicated debian or dedicated windows, unless you're savvy enough to readily handle firmware blobs |
| 15:40.53 | Semlar | Interface\Buttons\UI-ScrollBar-ScrollDownButton-Up doesn't appear to need any special handling so i'm not sure why you'd need to adjust its coordinates |
| 15:42.39 | Semlar | it does have space around the icon |
| 15:43.07 | Semlar | but so does the up arrow |
| 15:50.48 | Miiru | I am talking about those grey borders on the left and the right, it happens often if the position of a texture is not exactly pixel-perfect I think |
| 15:51.08 | foxlit | pixel-perfect layouts are a self-inflicted waste of time. |
| 15:51.12 | Semlar | the whole arrow is missing though |
| 15:52.36 | Miiru | yes I replaced it with a black square to make it mroe visible ;) |
| 15:54.15 | Miiru | ill show a betetr example |
| 15:54.33 | Semlar | alright well you posted a picture with the arrow texture missing and asked for a fix |
| 15:55.02 | Semlar | how were we supposed to know what you were talking about |
| 15:55.21 | foxlit | use your psychic powers, luke. |
| 15:55.38 | Miiru | http://boujong.net/greyborder.png |
| 15:56.33 | Miiru | on the left side, everything is fine, on the right side, the game adds some fuzzy grey border if one users the scrollbar |
| 15:57.07 | Miiru | but only if one moves the 'knob', not if one clicks on the arrows |
| 15:58.07 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure these arrows look the same |
| 15:58.32 | foxlit | we've moved on to follower "button" outlines, Semlar. |
| 15:58.38 | Semlar | oh |
| 15:58.44 | Semlar | i see. |
| 15:59.06 | Semlar | i'm not very good at this game |
| 16:00.20 | Amarande | Semlar: don't worry, just play a BM hunter, they're apparently getting simplified into oblivion for legion, or so the forum ranters insist :P LOL |
| 16:00.35 | Semlar | that's from aliasing, it's probably scrolling to a fraction of a pixel |
| 16:01.03 | Semlar | i'm surprised it doesn't do something like that just from dragging the window around |
| 16:01.14 | Amarande | of course the forum ranters also insist blizz is trying to make all the existing classes seem meh for legion so we'll all reroll DH :) |
| 16:03.47 | Miiru | with AA off its the same, plus it does not happen with every texture. And it is not scrollbar exclusive :/ |
| 16:04.05 | Miiru | But I am with you with the Fraction of a pixel stuff |
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| 16:05.31 | Semlar | it would be quite difficult to prevent this |
| 16:05.41 | Ellypse | The AA settings impact the fonts and textures ? I |
| 16:06.09 | nevcairiel | AA should not impact UI rendering, no |
| 16:06.43 | Ellypse | So it's more a AA due to the placement of the texture "between" two pixels, but you can't disable that AA |
| 16:07.12 | VIad | fun fact. the honor hold flight master is level 110 now, and it aggroes mobs underground :p |
| 16:08.10 | Miiru | does not sound like fun :O |
| 16:14.04 | Miiru | sounds like pain |
| 16:16.45 | Amarande | no, "pain" is realising your newegg package is coming from DHL |
| 16:19.22 | Miiru | they are ok here |
| 16:19.41 | Miiru | unless i get my cat litter from dhl. the driver is usually pissed then :P |
| 16:19.58 | Miiru | even with me helping him carry |
| 16:20.31 | Amarande | well ... the last time I got a package from newegg through DHL I almost ended up having to take a 40 mile road trip |
| 16:20.54 | Amarande | because it ended up at the wrong post office :| |
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| 16:30.33 | nevcairiel | having things like that mailed is just evil |
| 16:31.23 | Amarande | nevcairiel: yeah, I'm not a big fan of the USPS hybrid based services, but budget is more of a thing these days so I didn't want to waste money on the paid shipping options |
| 16:31.39 | Amarande | actually, it's not even so much the fact of getting it in the mail anymore |
| 16:31.53 | VIad | I once got something shipped by boat. probably cheapest shipping method available. took half year for my package to arrive. :D |
| 16:32.06 | VIad | boat from west us across to germany |
| 16:32.17 | Amarande | that used to be a big issue because it used to be super inconvenient for me to get packages through USPS when I was still at the house I grew up in |
| 16:32.39 | Amarande | now the worst thing about the hybrid services is that sometimes (not always) they end up being slower than either one alone |
| 16:32.58 | Amarande | i.e., in many a case it takes longer for something to go smartpost or surepost or DHL than *if it was put in the mail to begin with* |
| 16:33.25 | Miiru | shipped by boat from us to Germany? What were the costs? |
| 16:33.56 | nevcairiel | its not like ordinary shipping is expensive, unless its like super heavy or super huge |
| 16:34.55 | Miiru | maybe vlad ordered a car bumper or something :D |
| 16:35.00 | Amarande | Miiru: risk that the next World War will break out and the ship your package is on will be sunk by U-boats |
| 16:35.30 | Yoshimo | The Meredil flightnode seems to be affected by phasing. Do i have to complete quests to unlock it? |
| 16:35.43 | pompy1 | http://www.teamfortress.com/meetyourmatch/ |
| 16:35.49 | Amarande | Yoshimo: probably, there seem to be some flight paths that require that |
| 16:36.16 | Amarande | I still remember being in ashenvale earlier on my current character and thinking "ok I'll go grab the valormok fp while I'm this close to the azshara border" |
| 16:36.21 | Amarande | ... get to valormok, nobody's there :) |
| 16:36.41 | VIad | no was a small package |
| 16:37.12 | Yoshimo | herbs around that place also vanish, lets see what is needed |
| 16:37.45 | Yoshimo | probably the questchain starting at khadgar in dalaran |
| 16:40.57 | Miiru | I often buy t-shirts in the USA and let them ship to Germany, it's normally under 10$ so I wondered how low it would be by boat :D |
| 16:42.55 | VIad | the black temple story scenario is bugged -_- |
| 16:43.14 | Miiru | nope |
| 16:43.25 | Amarande | Yoshimo: heh, vanishing gather nodes are amusing sometimes |
| 16:43.36 | Miiru | don't kill people, Illidan didn't win =( |
| 16:43.38 | Amarande | I'm actually pretty sure there's an ore node in Silverpine Forest that cannot be gathered |
| 16:44.05 | Yoshimo | i also found nodes stuck below groundlevel with no cave nearby they sometimes get misplaced |
| 16:44.25 | Yoshimo | i just think radar shouldn't show them if the node is in a phase that you aren't in |
| 16:44.27 | Amarande | Yoshimo: in silverpine's case, there's an ore node you can see on the map, and can see at a distance |
| 16:44.37 | Amarande | but every time you try to go gather it, it phases out before you get there |
| 16:45.13 | Amarande | fun with phases ... like those nodes in storm peaks I remember at one point |
| 16:45.33 | Amarande | where the same node would be available in multiple phases, so you could actually have a node vanish into thin air for no visible reason :) |
| 16:45.36 | Yoshimo | i will file an enhancement request , maybe they will fix that annoyance |
| 16:46.06 | Amarande | because it was gathered by someone else, of course (that you can't see because they're not in your phase, but the ore node is in both) |
| 16:46.30 | Yoshimo | not all nodes obviously are out of phase |
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| 17:09.12 | Tentacled | Speaking of phases. Is there ANY API tidbit that would, in any way, glean some phasing information? Aside from GetCurrentMapAreaID() on certain maps whose ID changes, like Gilneas or Twighlands..? |
| 17:09.44 | nevcairiel | you can check if units are in your phase, if that helps :D |
| 17:10.09 | nevcairiel | also, more maps dont change ID, but actually change the mapFile instead |
| 17:11.50 | Tentacled | Units won't check for arbitrary NPCs, but mapFiles are an interesting approach. |
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| 17:12.35 | nevcairiel | i dont think mapfiles changed since a few expansions though |
| 17:13.18 | nevcairiel | the last that changed was BlastedLands for the WoD remake |
| 17:13.49 | Tentacled | Meh... I guess nothing beats a quest completion check, then. |
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| 17:14.53 | fewyn | https://apple.slashdot.org/story/16/07/06/1527210/iphone-7-to-start-at-32gb-storage-says-wsj |
| 17:14.55 | fewyn | :O |
| 17:15.31 | nevcairiel | fewyn: keeping the price premium of the 32gb model, i'm sure |
| 17:15.40 | fewyn | the 32gb model hasn't existed |
| 17:15.43 | fewyn | in a couple models |
| 17:16.05 | fewyn | 16/64/128 |
| 17:16.13 | fewyn | has been the lineup the last couple years |
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| 17:24.00 | zenzelezz | man, I still see people talking about Reactive/Rx. One day I might even become curious enough to bother looking at it |
| 17:24.04 | Mischanix | at some point it's more cost effective to have all the phones be 128gb hardware and just do software lockout |
| 17:24.12 | Mischanix | i wonder if they're past that point yet |
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| 17:24.48 | Mischanix | then you can upsell people when they run out of space on their phones |
| 17:25.33 | Amarande | Mischanix: issues are probably more on the DRM/authentication side |
| 17:25.56 | Amarande | support calls when people need to reset their phone & it fails to acknowledge that you're registered for extra space |
| 17:26.12 | Amarande | support calls when authentication token fails and phone claims it's overfull suddenly |
| 17:26.46 | Amarande | unless maybe they do it like that one pentium from a few generations ago, I'm kinda foggy on just how Intel set that thing up |
| 17:27.19 | Amarande | Intel released one Pentium model where you could pay to have hyperthreading software unlocked, but I'm not sure how the unlock was stored on the system |
| 17:27.37 | Mischanix | well the spi roms could be flashed diff for diff capacities still |
| 17:27.41 | zenzelezz | some kind of funky one-time fuse? |
| 17:28.18 | Amarande | I just wish the damned SD card would be more flexibly used on android |
| 17:28.29 | Amarande | so many apps that either won't go to it or barely put any of their actual data on it :( |
| 17:29.00 | Mischanix | but you'd be able to reflash existing stock if you had shortage/oversupply between the different capacities |
| 17:31.33 | Guill | VIad: Weird. Not something that would be caused by the UI team though, so I'd probably just post about it on the official forums. If you can include a video of it happening, I'll forward the link to QA to make sure it gets tracked. |
| 17:33.30 | Guill | VIad: Also, for differences between 32 and 64-bit: They should be relatively minimal, but all come down to us having tighter memory constraints in 32-bits, but not wanting to degrade the experience for 64-bit users |
| 17:33.53 | zenzelezz | the difference is roughly 32 bits |
| 17:33.58 | Guill | For example, I think we have tighter limits on SavedVariable sizes on 32 than 64 |
| 17:40.10 | Amarande | is there really even a good reason to still have a 32-bit wow client at all, for that matter? |
| 17:40.20 | VIad | Guill: there was a patch at some point. not having that issue atm... |
| 17:40.23 | Amarande | (indeed, are there even any PCs that meet min spec anymore that aren't 64-bit?) |
| 17:41.48 | VIad | in 2010 there were about 50/50 it seems |
| 17:42.06 | VIad | well |
| 17:42.19 | VIad | here is a more accurate one: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey |
| 17:42.23 | VIad | thanks steam! :p |
| 17:42.37 | VIad | like 2% at 32 bit machines |
| 17:42.42 | VIad | rest are at 64 bit |
| 17:42.49 | Amarande | yeah, 32-bit is a rarity anymore |
| 17:43.01 | Amarande | it would be nice to see gaming actually mosey on over to 64-bit like other application spaces |
| 17:43.34 | Amarande | heck, even windows web browsers have been moving to 64-bit, and those were another space that was super sluggish |
| 17:43.45 | Amarande | (I suppose it helps that flash and java have both become hated and reviled) |
| 17:44.22 | zenzelezz | for web purposes at least |
| 17:45.10 | nevcairiel | Guill: did "releaseUITextures" go away recently? Thats really the reason we even started talking about 32/64-bit, since you might have said the whole concept may exist to save some memory - but now the cvar is gone and some things started flickering again :) |
| 17:45.57 | TheDanW | Amarande: consider the size of the wow playerbase, if even a couple of percent use 32 bit clients we are talking about hundreds of thousands of players |
| 17:46.41 | VIad | nevcairiel: saw effects on 64bit flicker in raven dungeon |
| 17:46.47 | VIad | last boss shadow beam thing was flickering |
| 17:46.56 | VIad | unsure if this is the reason ofc :p might be other thing bugging |
| 17:47.10 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: i made it so that releaseUITextures is always active, we built legion with the assumption it was enabled, turning it off could cause problems for lower spec machines |
| 17:47.27 | Amarande | TheDanW: the point is there isn't even a real need to have the 32-bit client anymore |
| 17:47.36 | nevcairiel | but it made the flickering issue go away :( |
| 17:47.41 | Amarande | for one, I'm pretty sure all CPUs that even meet the system requirements for WoW are 64-bit |
| 17:47.45 | nevcairiel | screw lowspec people, its a hidden setting :D |
| 17:48.17 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: if there's flickering we need to fix it, regardless of the cvar |
| 17:48.44 | nevcairiel | as I understand its, its caused by simply hiding a frame, and then re-showing it immediately |
| 17:48.53 | Amarande | I'm kind of surprised Microsoft even still offers consumer Windows in 32-bit, since there are no longer 32-bit-only CPUs in the mass market outside of the ARM platform |
| 17:48.56 | nevcairiel | because that is enough to make it drop the texture and it needs to re-load it |
| 17:48.59 | nevcairiel | causing some flickering |
| 17:49.12 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: if its in the same frame it shouldn't be unloaded |
| 17:49.14 | zenzelezz | sometimes I think think Wargaming put tanks like the ST-I and O-I in WoT just to cause tention among players. "It's OH AYE" "No, it's OH ONE!" |
| 17:49.35 | TheDanW | hiding it in one frame and showing it in the next could cause it to be unloaded |
| 17:52.19 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: the addon in question literally does this: http://pastebin.com/waQq1C08 to reposition frames relative to nameplates, and without releaseUITextures 0 that causes this: https://gfycat.com/GrippingLoneKinkajou (excuse the overly compressed video) |
| 17:53.02 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: what is "f"? |
| 17:53.23 | nevcairiel | an ordinary frame |
| 17:54.38 | nevcairiel | its part of https://github.com/kesava-wow/kuinameplates2/, in Kui_Nameplates/hook.lua |
| 17:54.53 | nevcairiel | blame Semlar for some secret magic to reposition frames relative to nameplates |
| 17:55.30 | Semlar | rude |
| 17:55.51 | nevcairiel | Semlar: did you try just parenting to the plates in legion? |
| 17:55.57 | nevcairiel | or still laggy? |
| 17:56.06 | Semlar | they greatly improved it |
| 17:56.24 | Semlar | i would say just parent it directly to the nameplate now, i think the difference is minimal |
| 17:56.54 | Semlar | there was still a difference the last time i checked but it wasn't bad |
| 17:56.55 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: i'll take a look, that shouldn't be flickering if that's all it's doing |
| 17:57.55 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: nice thanks |
| 17:57.56 | Semlar | plus nameplates control their own frame level based on distance from the camera so it simplifies things to parent to them unless you don't want your nameplates affected by their fadeout and stuff |
| 17:58.28 | Semlar | i think they shrink when they despawn |
| 17:59.34 | TheDanW | i made an optimization pass through the nameplate position code a couple months ago, it should be very very close to the hide/show hack |
| 18:03.08 | Fisker | unfortunately hugs Cairenn |
| 18:03.26 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 18:03.28 | VIad | Fisker misses and hugs VIad instead. |
| 18:03.36 | Fisker | Nah |
| 18:06.27 | VIad | hugs Fisker. |
| 18:07.01 | Fisker | hugs VIad |
| 18:07.22 | VIad | thanks. mckenziemc would have gauged my eyes. |
| 18:08.17 | Cairenn | Do you mean gouged? ;p |
| 18:11.27 | Gnarfoz | maybe he wanted to take measurements of his eyes |
| 18:14.09 | Simca_ | Tentacled: no real phasing API, no. you might be interested in PlayerCondition.db2, though. it controls most phasing |
| 18:14.33 | Simca_ | Also, hilariously, I figured out what BountySet.db2 does today |
| 18:15.06 | Gnarfoz | so your day was... bountyful? |
| 18:15.38 | VIad | gouged :d |
| 18:16.01 | VIad | Simca_: why playercondition and not playerphasing or something |
| 18:16.02 | VIad | ? |
| 18:16.36 | Simca_ | it's used for a -lot- of different things, virtually all player-based checks |
| 18:16.49 | Simca_ | phasing, quest availability, etc |
| 18:17.01 | Simca_ | (that was @VIad) |
| 18:17.10 | Simca_ | BountySet: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/iI33j5sV2Rbg1uPgy1iCy4Ap97MrDdFsGYdytaCDMtI |
| 18:17.14 | VIad | k |
| 18:17.33 | Simca_ | apparently BountySet just controls whether or not you can see world quests |
| 18:17.51 | Simca_ | the single referenced playerconditionID only has 1 field filled in - minLevel of 110 |
| 18:18.03 | Simca_ | so the entire db2 just says 'if you're 110, show world quests' |
| 18:20.26 | Ketho | am I doing something wrong or is the removed releaseUITextures acting as if it was disabled instead of enabled http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53459#10 |
| 18:21.37 | TheDanW | Ketho: i changed it so it is always enabled, but i also fixed it so that the path/fileID is returned correctly if the texture is released/hidden |
| 18:22.06 | Ketho | ow, thanks for explaining |
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| 18:30.18 | Ketho | I'm wondering, was the cvar maybe removed because some people would just disable it? |
| 18:30.28 | Gnarfoz | Simca_: sometimes it's a bit crazy how much data this game consists of |
| 18:31.01 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 18:31.30 | TheDanW | Ketho: yeah, we built Legion with the assumption that cvar was enabled, if addons started disabling it it could impact lower spec machines with primarily 32 bit clients, even after the addon is uninstalled |
| 18:32.11 | Simca_ | Gnarfoz: They seem to be pushing more towards data-driven stuff, instead of hardcoded constants and other fun hacks. |
| 18:32.43 | Gnarfoz | well, data is "easier" to manipulate |
| 18:34.11 | Ketho | TheDanW: Well good to know WoW is actively supporting 32-bit clients in Legion x) |
| 18:37.42 | nevcairiel | Simca_: didnt WQs have other pre-reqs, like suramar requiring to quest there first |
| 18:38.21 | Simca_ | is that required for -any- world quests to show up? or just for the nightfallen ones? |
| 18:39.14 | nevcairiel | nightfallen presumably |
| 18:39.25 | nevcairiel | but it was broken for a long time on beta, i think the fixed it though |
| 18:39.30 | Simca_ | gotcha, that must be what 'Bounty.db2' controls. |
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| 19:03.44 | Semlar | releases TheDanW back into the wild |
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| 19:18.17 | TheDanW | are you trying to delete me Semlar? :( |
| 19:18.47 | Semlar | just freeing up memory |
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| 20:01.21 | bshelden | I suspect there are a few other hard references to you, TheDanW. You're still safe from the GC. |
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| 20:14.20 | VIad | bad day :'( https://i.imgur.com/3W2xPhE.jpg |
| 20:17.39 | mikma | my milkshake brings all the boys in the yard |
| 20:21.22 | Simca_ | 7.0.3 on background downloader |
| 20:24.32 | Kesava | nevcairiel: thanks for bringing that up :D |
| 20:28.06 | Amarande | mikma: that's because only relative boys actually derive enough benefit from [Ice Cold Milk] for it to be worth drinking, grown men need something higher level :) |
| 20:29.15 | Amarande | hah, and for about half of classes/specs, milk! it does your body nothing at all! :D |
| 20:39.33 | Simca_ | anyone know by chance if rep gain from The Nightfallen world quests caps at honored? |
| 20:40.07 | Simca_ | there is a new field that is unknown in quest cache and I just realized that it might be faction cap - it is 7 everywhere except on those quests, where it is 5 |
| 20:40.17 | Simca_ | 7th rep type = exalted, 5th rep type = honored |
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| 20:46.26 | Amarande | Simca_: hmm, take a looksee if it's been applied to legacy quests as well that have known caps |
| 20:46.29 | Amarande | like BC faction stuff |
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| 21:16.45 | nevcairiel | preload for 7.0 has apparently started |
| 21:17.17 | nevcairiel | Simca_: i do faintly remember the gain from some sources to cap at a certain level there |
| 21:17.31 | nevcairiel | but couldnt confirm the exact details |
| 21:40.47 | Simca_ | annnd 7.0.3 removed from background downloader |
| 21:40.51 | Simca_ | ez come ez go |
| 21:41.49 | Simca_ | guess somebody from blizzard heard about it was like "why is this preloading so early" and got it taken down. |
| 21:42.22 | nevcairiel | pre-patch is in 2-4 weeks, really dont have much more sensible time, it wouldnt necessarily be that early |
| 21:48.51 | znf | Semlar, still waiting for that addon |
| 21:50.18 | Primer | Semlarplates? |
| 21:50.22 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.12 | znf | HeiÃhunger |
| 22:24.36 | Simca_ | and now it's back |
| 22:25.28 | nevcairiel | probably had to do some tinkering on it |
| 22:26.13 | nevcairiel | mine doesnt want to download though |
| 22:27.40 | nevcairiel | ah now it started |
| 22:27.41 | nevcairiel | its just slow |
| 22:27.54 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: had a chance to look at the flickering, it's because you're changing visibility of a texture in an OnSizeChanged script |
| 22:28.23 | TheDanW | OnSizeChanged works pretty poorly in general :( |
| 22:28.33 | nevcairiel | so ... no fixerinos? |
| 22:28.55 | nevcairiel | gotta get Kesava to implement it some other crazy way then |
| 22:28.57 | TheDanW | not for 7.0.3 :( maybe in the future |
| 22:29.25 | TheDanW | i'd recommend anchoring it directly to the nameplate, the performance should be similar now |
| 22:29.47 | nevcairiel | he mumbled something about pixel exactness |
| 22:30.00 | nevcairiel | because nameplates can have sub-pixel positions |
| 22:30.14 | Kesava | it's not pixel-perfectness which would break with that, i could still position it manually while having it be parented |
| 22:30.25 | Kesava | it's just that i don't want to inherit the fading and size changing stuff of the new nameplates |
| 22:30.34 | Kesava | like they shrink when they disappear etc |
| 22:30.34 | nevcairiel | anchoring doesnt inherit things |
| 22:30.41 | Kesava | parenting |
| 22:30.50 | nevcairiel | noone used that word! |
| 22:30.50 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:30.51 | Kesava | oh, he meant parenting |
| 22:30.55 | TheDanW | it doesn't need to be parented |
| 22:30.58 | Kesava | .. |
| 22:31.02 | Kesava | oh right |
| 22:31.08 | Kesava | well yeah anchoring breaks pixel perfectness |
| 22:31.15 | Kesava | .. |
| 22:32.26 | Kesava | also i'm not sure just anchoring to it would inherit the performance improvements |
| 22:32.40 | TheDanW | it should |
| 22:33.12 | nevcairiel | Kesava: nameplates move all the time anyway, do people other then Stanzilla really notice such pixel things? :) |
| 22:33.21 | Kesava | um, yes, me |
| 22:33.23 | Kesava | it is required for me |
| 22:33.45 | Kesava | i don't want ugly 2-pixel borders flickering about |
| 22:33.48 | TheDanW | also just not hiding/showing between setpoint should be ok |
| 22:34.02 | Kesava | yeah but that reduces fps quite a bit (i've verified this recently) |
| 22:34.02 | nevcairiel | apparently that was making it slow before |
| 22:36.04 | Kesava | so basically a non-hacky way of improving FPS with a constantly moving frame would be good for me |
| 22:38.41 | znf | jsut make a grid, Kesava |
| 22:40.24 | TheDanW | i just tested with 40 nameplates using your onsizechanged hack, doing the setpoint between a hide/show is considerably slower |
| 22:40.36 | Kesava | Semlar disagrees |
| 22:40.44 | nevcairiel | semlar is a mushroom |
| 22:40.46 | Kesava | but i'll test it later, maybe you people ]changed something |
| 22:41.28 | znf | Yes, let's have the fuckin' quest npc mob cross paths with a stealth-detector mob, god damn it |
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| 22:42.11 | znf | Why do games insist of doing escort/follow quests |
| 22:42.16 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: can I pay you in donuts to fix the UnitNamePlayerGuild cvar? :( |
| 22:43.00 | TheDanW | Stanzilla: what's wrong with it? |
| 22:43.07 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: it does nothing |
| 22:43.13 | Stanzilla | Guild name is always displayed |
| 22:46.27 | nevcairiel | Kesava: on a quick test it seems hide/show is in fact slower, but maybe thats a side-effect of it reloading the textures, its hard to say with that issue being there. |
| 22:47.15 | nevcairiel | Kesava: i definitely get higher fps without hide/show right now, in any case |
| 22:47.31 | Kesava | oh. hm |
| 22:47.40 | foxlit | I have no idea what I'm talking about, but can't you just keep a copy of the texture visible to prevent it from being freed? |
| 22:47.42 | Kesava | oh, yeah, could be because of it though. |
| 22:48.03 | Kesava | ... TheDanW ? |
| 22:48.16 | nevcairiel | hiding nameplates does not improve my fps though |
| 22:48.30 | nevcairiel | so i dont really see any loss with currently ~10 plates on screen |
| 22:49.06 | nevcairiel | admittedly very simple plates, no crazy test plates with a million child frames like Semlar used for testing |
| 22:49.24 | Primer | Semlarplates! |
| 22:50.28 | TheDanW | Stanzilla: looks like it unintentionally broke :( i'll let QA know so we can get a fix in, not sure when |
| 22:50.45 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: thank you! |
| 22:52.45 | TheDanW | Kesava: you're right, it is slower because of the unloading, i just disabled the unloading internally and tested again with 40 nameplates, i still see a performance improvement when they're not being shown/hidden |
| 22:52.56 | TheDanW | but not as drastic |
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| 22:57.21 | Kesava | i see! |
| 22:57.30 | Kesava | well something must've been changed then |
| 22:57.36 | Kesava | it definitely used to be a huge increase |
| 22:58.50 | znf | TheDanW, is there any way to stop tab-targetting targetting mobs 40+ yards away, and trough walls? |
| 23:00.29 | TheDanW | znf: not sure, i didn't work on that feature :( sounds like not targeting them would be ideal though ;) posting feedback on the official forums would the best venue |
| 23:00.51 | Simca_ | iirc there are TONS of undocumented new cvars relating to tab targeting, znf |
| 23:00.55 | Simca_ | there is probably a way |
| 23:01.08 | znf | undocumented! |
| 23:01.38 | Simca_ | nobody documents cvars unless they are important, and it is really hard to test them at times |
| 23:01.39 | Infus | and there's a cvar which sounds like it enables the old tab targeting |
| 23:01.53 | znf | tried that |
| 23:01.59 | znf | no perceived effect |
| 23:02.02 | Ressy | I used to document cvars.. :\ |
| 23:02.30 | bshelden | Oh no... I'm going to get hours of tab targeting whining then? I have a friend who's convinced it's coded to mess with players once in awhile... |
| 23:03.20 | znf | it's horrible right now :D |
| 23:03.45 | znf | tab-target is, like, "hey, let's target the mob on the 3rd floor of this dungeon, while I'm still on the ground floor" |
| 23:03.48 | nevcairiel | i never used tab targeting because it always was unreliable |
| 23:03.49 | znf | * highly exagerating |
| 23:03.53 | Ressy | lmao |
| 23:03.59 | Guill | It *should* be much better as of Legion |
| 23:04.50 | Infus | the bugs are all NEW! |
| 23:05.20 | znf | it's insanely frustrating in dungeons like BRH |
| 23:05.29 | tz | tab targeting is awesome when tanking, seems to default to the first mob behind you |
| 23:06.01 | Gnarfoz | which used to be the right one, considering everything always tried to move behind you |
| 23:06.16 | Simca_ | lol |
| 23:06.18 | Simca_ | so true |
| 23:06.22 | Stanzilla | true story :D |
| 23:06.38 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/G4DFgev.png - but... I'm supposed to be disguised??! HOW DO YOU KNOW I'M UNDEAD |
| 23:06.58 | Gnarfoz | the smell, znf |
| 23:07.00 | Stanzilla | how can you be invincible when I can still see you? :E |
| 23:07.29 | Gnarfoz | because that's a different thing from being invisible! \o/ |
| 23:07.35 | znf | https://gfycat.com/ThunderousHideousGibbon <- tab-targetting is decently good in open areas |
| 23:07.38 | nevcairiel | what does invincibility have to do with visibility? |
| 23:08.05 | nevcairiel | znf: it should've targeted the guy on the stairs instead of the silly birds |
| 23:08.17 | nevcairiel | in the first orientation |
| 23:08.17 | znf | true |
| 23:09.53 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: it's a joke |
| 23:09.58 | Stanzilla | about the Invincible mount |
| 23:10.07 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 23:10.09 | nevcairiel | and idiot germans that dont english? |
| 23:10.15 | Stanzilla | how does nobody know that joke |
| 23:10.17 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:10.43 | nevcairiel | all of those i play with just stick to the german client and call it unbesiegbar :p |
| 23:11.28 | Kesava | why is it called invincible if you can see it |
| 23:11.47 | Ressy | That new whisper insecurity is nuts. |
| 23:12.30 | znf | "new" |
| 23:12.45 | Ressy | lol |
| 23:12.52 | Ressy | as in someone just managed to exploit it. |
| 23:14.14 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/SyhdNUh.png wth is queen's grace loom? |
| 23:15.47 | Trela | If it is like Burning Crusade you have to stand next to a world object. Tailoring Anvil. |
| 23:16.23 | znf | I know what it's supposed to be, the better question is where the hell is it |
| 23:16.30 | nevcairiel | znf either forgets things, or he hasnt played for very long |
| 23:16.50 | znf | wonder if it's back in Suramar |
| 23:17.21 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 23:17.38 | znf | ...god damn it |
| 23:18.03 | nevcairiel | maybe higher ranks of that craft remove the requirement |
| 23:19.40 | znf | no stars on the recipe |
| 23:20.07 | *** join/#wowuidev JTF195 (~JTF195@rapturewerks.net) |
| 23:20.23 | znf | oh, and I have to go to Suramar every time I want one to craft something that uses that reagent |
| 23:20.45 | znf | <-- not amused |
| 23:51.54 | znf | I have a huge dislike for the trial by fel fire quest |
