| 00:00.55 | mckenziemc | i probably wouldn't know how to interpret the source information >.> |
| 00:02.45 | n3bula | the only language i used specifically for math/science was matlab |
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| 00:11.31 | Cairenn | Ketho: poof |
| 00:11.58 | mckenziemc | oh no, Cairenn just went up in smoke :( |
| 00:12.06 | Cairenn | heh, no |
| 00:15.36 | mckenziemc | AF2=IF(AE2>85,0,IF(AE2>5,58.1/TAN(RADIANS(AE2))-0.07/POWER(TAN(RADIANS(AE2)),3)+0.000086/POWER(TAN(RADIANS(AE2)),5),IF(AE2>-0.575,1735+AE2*(-518.2+AE2*(103.4+AE2*(-12.79+AE2*0.711))),-20.772/TAN(RADIANS(AE2)))))/3600 |
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| 00:25.28 | Ketho | Cairenn: thanks :) |
| 00:25.39 | Cairenn | You're welcome |
| 00:31.22 | fewyn | so |
| 00:31.37 | fewyn | anyone know of an mmo mouse that has a free wheel option on the scroll wheel? |
| 00:33.56 | nebula | like no stepping? |
| 00:34.47 | fewyn | yeah |
| 00:35.03 | fewyn | my logitech mouse has an option to let the wheel scroll "free" |
| 00:35.05 | nebula | friend had a mouse with that, felt weird |
| 00:35.20 | fewyn | i use it a lot with scroll wheel macros when working with the AH |
| 00:36.31 | mckenziemc | Simca: actually a CAS would be really handy, if that's what you mean, except that i don't know of any that allow you to manually rearrange things when the automatic manipulating gets messy |
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| 00:48.59 | Semlar | fewyn: my g9x used to do that but they stopped making them |
| 00:49.18 | fewyn | i wish nagas didn't break so easily |
| 00:49.23 | fewyn | i would consider getting one again |
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| 00:50.13 | fewyn | i'm thinking https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013KK9JOO |
| 00:50.49 | nebula | i've used a logitech mmo mouse since it came out, the buttons are way better than the naga imo |
| 00:53.38 | fewyn | i had the logitech mmo mouse |
| 00:53.44 | fewyn | lasted about 14 months |
| 00:54.44 | mckenziemc | 3D print a new one |
| 00:55.12 | Semlar | happy new year neffi |
| 00:55.26 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 00:55.33 | Neffi | its the other firework thing |
| 00:55.40 | Semlar | how many could there be |
| 00:55.44 | nebula | the first revision i had didn't have upgradable firmware and had an issue with the cursor jumping around, rma'd it after a year or so and the new one i got has been good |
| 00:55.52 | Neffi | like two |
| 00:55.56 | mckenziemc | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SRI_Computer_Mouse.jpg |
| 00:57.26 | nebula | that corsair looks nice, my biggest issue with the naga were their buttons were smallish and smooth, looks like they've gone away from that, though |
| 00:57.40 | nebula | not to mention the buttons tended to fail/fall out pretty eay |
| 00:57.42 | nebula | easy* |
| 00:58.11 | fewyn | the lazer always died on my nagas |
| 00:58.15 | fewyn | i had to buy one every year |
| 00:58.30 | fewyn | which is why i don't buy razer anymore |
| 00:58.42 | nebula | why didn't you just rma it? o.O |
| 00:59.12 | fewyn | because 1 year warranty |
| 00:59.15 | nebula | ew |
| 00:59.29 | fewyn | they always died at like 13 months |
| 00:59.31 | fewyn | or 14 |
| 00:59.43 | Stanzilla | razer is crap |
| 00:59.51 | nebula | Razer Mice |
| 00:59.51 | nebula | 2 years |
| 01:00.26 | fewyn | my last logitech mouse lasted 2 years |
| 01:00.31 | fewyn | the current one isn't an mmo mouse |
| 01:00.35 | fewyn | (g502) |
| 01:00.54 | fewyn | is close to a year but now that i'm playing MMOs again not having the buttons is driving me crazy |
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| 01:03.55 | fewyn | i hate the exodar fire |
| 01:04.05 | Semlar | neffi can you tell them to keep it down |
| 01:04.08 | Neffi | exodar is on fire? |
| 01:04.14 | fewyn | i wish it was |
| 01:04.18 | fewyn | new account needs to steal flames |
| 01:04.23 | Neffi | Semlar: I can try but no promises |
| 01:04.59 | Neffi | Semlar: try firing your gun into the air as a warning |
| 01:05.16 | fewyn | alright one last corpse run... |
| 01:05.44 | fewyn | no flying is really cramping my style |
| 01:05.50 | Semlar | i'm going out there like yosemite sam |
| 01:09.31 | Torhal | Wait... you AREN'T Yosemite Sam? |
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| 01:40.11 | Semlar | not today |
| 01:40.55 | fewyn | tomorrow? |
| 01:42.12 | Semlar | we'll see |
| 01:53.18 | fewyn | sigh i'm really wanting to drink some water but we can't drink any tap water because of nitrates in the water for the next 2 weeks :/ |
| 02:00.08 | Semlar | can you just get a filter |
| 02:06.00 | Stanzilla | or bottled water |
| 02:07.31 | fewyn | pfft |
| 02:07.35 | fewyn | my brother is over reacting |
| 02:07.51 | fewyn | When a nitrate advisory is in effect, customers in the area identified in the news release are advised to not give |
| 02:07.53 | fewyn | tap water to infants below the age of six months or use it to make infant formula, juice, or cereal. Pregnant |
| 02:07.55 | fewyn | women in the water service area over 30 weeks pregnant should also avoid drinking tap water or any beverages |
| 02:07.57 | fewyn | made from tap water. |
| 02:08.01 | fewyn | otherwise it's perfectly fine |
| 02:08.25 | Semlar | "perfectly fine" |
| 02:08.41 | fewyn | yes perfectly |
| 02:09.15 | fewyn | nevermind |
| 02:09.22 | fewyn | i can def taste something wrong with the water |
| 02:09.31 | Semlar | rip |
| 02:10.47 | Semlar | Although nitrite converts to ammonia, if there is more nitrite than can be converted, the animal slowly suffers from a lack of oxygen. |
| 02:11.06 | fewyn | and water filters don't seem to be designed to remove nitrates either |
| 02:12.14 | Semlar | "boiling the water will actually INCREASE the amount of nitrate remaining in the water" |
| 02:12.21 | fewyn | yep |
| 02:12.33 | fewyn | https://columbus.gov/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2147488430 |
| 02:13.11 | Semlar | there are nitrate filters but it doesn't sound like something that would be caught unless they were specifically designed for it |
| 02:13.39 | fewyn | The cause of the elevated nitrate levels in the Scioto River is believed to be related to last weekâs major |
| 02:13.41 | fewyn | storm and resulting stormwater runoff from rural and urban areas. Treatment plant expansions at the |
| 02:13.43 | fewyn | Dublin Road Water Plant have been underway the past few years and include a new treatment facility |
| 02:13.45 | fewyn | currently under construction that will provide additional treatment options to remove nitrates from |
| 02:13.47 | fewyn | water. That facility should be completed by the end of 2017. |
| 02:14.38 | fewyn | end of 2017? |
| 02:14.42 | fewyn | that's a far way off |
| 02:14.49 | Semlar | i won't even drink unfiltered tap water here and there aren't any specific warnings about it |
| 02:15.05 | fewyn | i have a brita water filter i use |
| 02:15.30 | Semlar | i have a TAPMASTER 9000 or something |
| 02:16.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.25 | fewyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.34 | fewyn | i have a britta jug i use |
| 02:18.13 | Semlar | you can theoretically open it and put whatever filter that fits in it but it is virtually impossible to open |
| 02:18.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.43 | mckenziemc | idk about 90s, maybe early 2000s? |
| 02:27.45 | Semlar | 1997 i'd say |
| 02:28.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.27 | mckenziemc | https://web.archive.org/web/19981212024112/http://www.crystalquest.com/ :( |
| 02:29.50 | mckenziemc | https://web.archive.org/web/20040604182633/http://www.crystalquest.com/ |
| 02:30.36 | mckenziemc | https://web.archive.org/web/20000511115536/http://crystalquest.com/ uhh... |
| 02:32.20 | Semlar | totally free internet |
| 02:35.27 | mckenziemc | http://store.netzero.net/account/showService.do?serviceId=nz-dialup Semlar |
| 02:35.49 | Neffi | what's even going on here |
| 02:36.31 | Semlar | 10 hours a month? |
| 02:36.48 | Semlar | what am i supposed to do with 10 hours of dial-up |
| 02:37.11 | Semlar | watch one youtube video? |
| 02:38.40 | mckenziemc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNaR6FRuO0 |
| 02:39.23 | mckenziemc | if they count the handshaking against you, you could listen to that over 1200 times a month! |
| 02:47.46 | Semlar | ugh, the logs cut off right before TheDan explains what the arguments for SetTransform were |
| 02:48.20 | Semlar | simca do you have those |
| 02:48.55 | Semlar | oh wait i lied they're here |
| 02:49.04 | Semlar | translateX, translateY, translateZ, rotationX, rotationY, rotationZ, scale |
| 02:58.14 | Torhal | It's TheDanW, Semlar. Man, so disrecpectful. |
| 02:58.47 | Semlar | the W is silent |
| 03:00.01 | Torhal | :O |
| 03:01.05 | mckenziemc | apparently Torhal thinks there's a soft c in respect |
| 03:01.07 | mckenziemc | so rude |
| 03:01.37 | Torhal | WTF are you on about? |
| 03:01.41 | Torhal | Bloody wanker. |
| 03:15.19 | Semlar | a total bloody wanker |
| 03:22.01 | mckenziemc | :( |
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| 03:26.39 | Arrowmaster | damn this is epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDjRDwlATSk |
| 03:44.32 | kd3 | eek. https://twitter.com/Kaydeethree/status/750173423834365952 |
| 03:54.02 | mckenziemc | meanwhile, i'm waiting for my windows 7 vm to finish updating and shut down... |
| 04:01.42 | nebula | kd3: you know that wasn't real, right |
| 04:01.55 | kd3 | yup, cutscene edit |
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| 04:22.44 | znf | Good job, Blizzard |
| 04:22.55 | znf | the DPS potion - Potion of Deadly Grace - makes you levitate |
| 04:23.08 | znf | but as soon as you take damage, it stops, and it interrupts channeling/casting spells |
| 04:26.12 | nebula | and? it's intended to break on damage, probably not intended to interfere with spell casting |
| 04:28.23 | [TOM_RUS] | DPS potion that breaks on damage? wtf is this shit |
| 04:28.36 | nebula | all of the dps potions are gimmicky |
| 04:28.42 | znf | no, the levitate breaks on damage |
| 04:28.59 | znf | interrupting casting/channeling |
| 04:29.14 | nebula | ah, the spell itself says "Staying away from enemies for the entire duration of the effect will extend the effect by an additional 5 seconds." |
| 04:29.14 | znf | not getting hit extends the potion by 5 seconds |
| 04:29.46 | znf | can't do much about AoE attacks though... |
| 04:30.01 | nebula | don't pop it during aoe, duh |
| 04:30.54 | znf | I prepot... |
| 04:31.30 | nebula | use the other one |
| 04:31.48 | nebula | and melee soem bitches |
| 04:36.59 | znf | flaskataur is gone |
| 04:37.04 | znf | so no more buying potions |
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| 05:26.12 | mckenziemc | arcseconds per degree cubed, what fun... |
| 05:29.11 | mckenziemc | also i'm not sure what horrors i might release upon the world if i try to convert the multiplicands back to their complementary angles :( |
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| 05:43.48 | Fisker | sleepily hugs Cairenn |
| 05:44.03 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 05:45.16 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn and creepily hugs Fisker. |
| 05:45.22 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 08:50.54 | znf | hmmm |
| 08:51.02 | znf | quest in Stonehoof Watch is infinitely resetting |
| 08:51.09 | znf | most likely a bug |
| 08:52.47 | nevcairiel | you know what to do with bugs |
| 08:53.47 | znf | already did |
| 08:53.53 | znf | also, you mean "exploit them"? :D |
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| 10:18.14 | VIad | if you GetAllTaxiNodes() and you haven't yet opened the taxi map the game crashes - noted |
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| 11:24.07 | AcidWeb | OnEnter don't trigger on hidden frames? |
| 11:25.01 | Neffi | why would it? |
| 11:25.39 | Neffi | what you probably want is to set the opacity to 0 and register it for no clicks if you just want it to be aware of mouse hovering |
| 11:26.06 | Neffi | or just not give it any layers |
| 11:26.27 | AcidWeb | Thanks. I wanted to just be sure. |
| 11:27.49 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 11:27.56 | Neffi | :( |
| 11:28.05 | Semlar | it only fires for mouse enabled frames |
| 11:28.08 | Neffi | wat did i do wrong? |
| 11:28.16 | Neffi | yeah that too |
| 11:28.31 | Semlar | and an invisible mouse enabled frame would not be cool |
| 11:28.52 | Neffi | oh right it still get onmousedown even without clicks registered |
| 11:29.15 | Neffi | AcidWeb: you will probably instead have to track cursor position manually |
| 11:29.27 | Semlar | you can check if the cursor is over the frame OnUpdate, depends on what you're doing |
| 11:29.37 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/HelplessUncomfortableKangaroo neffi plz |
| 11:29.44 | Semlar | what is this |
| 11:29.44 | Neffi | yeah you can use MouseIsOver |
| 11:30.07 | AcidWeb | I dont need to do anything as I don't need it. |
| 11:30.14 | Neffi | I dunno Semlar |
| 11:30.23 | AcidWeb | Just asked if it trigger. |
| 11:30.29 | Semlar | it doesn't scroll to the bottom of the god damn edit box neffi |
| 11:30.31 | Neffi | ok |
| 11:30.41 | Neffi | blame guill |
| 11:30.46 | Semlar | I CAN'T HE'S NOT HERE |
| 11:30.49 | Neffi | OMG |
| 11:30.53 | Neffi | I have to go now |
| 11:31.01 | Neffi | going underground! subway to work |
| 11:31.13 | Neffi | blame Torhal while I'm gone |
| 11:31.16 | Semlar | okay |
| 11:31.18 | Semlar | stay fresh |
| 11:31.24 | Neffi | nods |
| 11:31.30 | Torhal | freshens Neffi with a tornado. |
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| 11:31.51 | Semlar | i've decided edit boxes are dumb |
| 11:32.15 | Torhal | Well, they don't have any inherent intellect. |
| 11:32.30 | Torhal | So technically you are correct. |
| 11:32.30 | Semlar | well it shows |
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| 11:34.02 | Semlar | i thought maybe i was doing something wrong but the macro textbox does this too |
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| 12:59.54 | p3lim | Was there a way to get information about minimap nodes? |
| 13:01.54 | nevcairiel | only really hacky ways |
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| 13:02.04 | nevcairiel | which we wont discuss in polite company |
| 13:02.23 | p3lim | Hacky as in memory scanning? |
| 13:02.30 | p3lim | Then no thanks |
| 13:02.37 | nevcairiel | like moving the minimap below the cursor and looking for tooltips |
| 13:02.41 | p3lim | Ah :p |
| 13:02.46 | nevcairiel | not quite as evil |
| 13:02.49 | nevcairiel | but still rather sucky |
| 13:02.53 | p3lim | Yup |
| 13:03.21 | Arrow|work | there was a way back in 1.x |
| 13:03.24 | p3lim | Just trying to think of methods to get around that there is no IsTrivial() function for quests |
| 13:04.07 | nevcairiel | quests have a level, isnt that all thats there for trivial quests? |
| 13:04.46 | p3lim | There are levels and trivial flags for quests presented in the quest greeting and gossip greeting frames |
| 13:04.51 | p3lim | even quest dialogs afaik |
| 13:04.57 | p3lim | but not for gossip dialog |
| 13:05.22 | p3lim | (QUEST_DETAIL event and the accompanied frame) |
| 13:05.38 | nevcairiel | which frame is that |
| 13:05.40 | p3lim | There is a IsQuestIgnored() tho', for the new system |
| 13:05.58 | nevcairiel | the one where you go to accept it? |
| 13:06.16 | p3lim | Nah, the one where an NPC has a lone quest to give out, without a list of which to pick |
| 13:06.22 | p3lim | Just straight up quest info |
| 13:06.36 | nevcairiel | but its the same one that comes up when you click on one of the listed quests, no? |
| 13:06.45 | p3lim | Nope, it's the one past that |
| 13:07.06 | p3lim | Which (afaik) doesn't hold any data other than the text and title |
| 13:07.16 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 13:07.50 | nevcairiel | there seems to be GetQuestID() |
| 13:07.55 | p3lim | QuestFrameDetailFrame |
| 13:08.14 | p3lim | Not going to keep a complete record of quests |
| 13:08.20 | p3lim | Just to compare their levels |
| 13:08.32 | nevcairiel | no idea what kind of info you can get from an id |
| 13:12.16 | Semlar | GetAvailableLevel() |
| 13:12.27 | nevcairiel | thats for the screen before that |
| 13:12.39 | nevcairiel | ie QUEST_GREETING |
| 13:12.46 | p3lim | Yup |
| 13:13.10 | nevcairiel | i keep getting those confused, when is it GOSSIP_SHOW and when is it QUEST_GREETING |
| 13:13.16 | p3lim | Which also has GetAvailableQuestInfo(), 1st return is isTrivial |
| 13:13.46 | p3lim | nevcairiel: there is no real difference between the two, that I've found atleast |
| 13:13.48 | Semlar | i suppose GetGossipAvailableQuests doesn't work either |
| 13:14.05 | nevcairiel | p3lim: so they just fire randomly based on some hidden condition? :D |
| 13:14.07 | p3lim | Semlar: Those only work for the cases where an NPC has multiple quests to give you |
| 13:14.21 | p3lim | nevcairiel: They are specific to each NPC lol |
| 13:14.33 | nevcairiel | so yes |
| 13:14.37 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:14.43 | Semlar | i need an npc |
| 13:14.55 | nevcairiel | gossip thingys got a new return value in legion, i forgot what it was for though |
| 13:14.58 | nevcairiel | probably for ignored? |
| 13:15.01 | p3lim | Yup |
| 13:15.03 | p3lim | IsQuestIgnored |
| 13:15.15 | p3lim | also GetAvailableQuestInfo for QUEST_GREETING |
| 13:15.20 | p3lim | which has lots of info |
| 13:15.41 | nevcairiel | the GetGossip quest apis are totally weird though, returning a long list of quests in one call |
| 13:15.57 | nevcairiel | grouped every 6 or so return values together |
| 13:16.03 | p3lim | nevcairiel: https://github.com/p3lim-wow/LibGossipQuestInfo |
| 13:16.04 | p3lim | :p |
| 13:16.12 | p3lim | Grouped every 6 for live, 7 for legion |
| 13:16.34 | nevcairiel | i just have a tiny helper function to do something similar |
| 13:16.50 | nevcairiel | all i really want is the level anyway |
| 13:18.52 | p3lim | I'm almost tempted to just auto-accept the quest (this is for QuickQuest btw), then I can get the information I need and can abandon it instead :p |
| 13:18.59 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 13:19.21 | nevcairiel | i never got into automation, i kinda like the feeling of accepting them and reading them, but thats just me |
| 13:19.36 | p3lim | I do too, the first time I do a quest |
| 13:19.46 | p3lim | But when I level alts I just want to go fast |
| 13:19.50 | p3lim | Also dailies |
| 13:20.28 | p3lim | Also, it allows me to go through tedious crap like that last quest's dialogue in Ulduar hands-free |
| 13:20.38 | p3lim | Uldaman* |
| 13:21.05 | p3lim | has learned enough lore about gnolls |
| 13:22.06 | Semlar | do you have an npc that does what you're describing |
| 13:22.25 | Semlar | because i have an autoaccept script that i wrote and never once has it accepted a trivial quest |
| 13:22.40 | p3lim | Semlar: pretty much any NPC, if it has multiple quests you can take all but one, leave him and talk to him again, he presents you with QUEST_DETAIL |
| 13:23.00 | p3lim | where you have no information if the quest is trivial or not |
| 13:23.27 | p3lim | Basically, unless you get a list of quests you're screwed |
| 13:24.07 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the same functions return data regardless of whether they have 1 quest or a list |
| 13:24.28 | p3lim | Nope, if it's just one quest presented with QUEST_DETAIL there is no data at all |
| 13:24.50 | p3lim | except GetQuestID, GetQuestText and GetTitleText |
| 13:25.14 | p3lim | And new to Legion; IsQuestIgnored |
| 13:25.31 | Semlar | i accepted all of the quests except 1 from the command board and it doesn't auto-select the one that's left so |
| 13:25.47 | Semlar | i guess i need to find an npc |
| 13:26.25 | p3lim | Try outside Vale, if you haven't done the quests at MoP max level on some char |
| 13:26.50 | p3lim | That one has multiple quests, but if you leave one on him he will present you with QUEST_DETAIL |
| 13:27.50 | Semlar | where, the veiled stair? |
| 13:28.17 | p3lim | I had a guy standing right outside shrine |
| 13:28.28 | p3lim | What's your bnet id again? |
| 13:28.44 | Semlar | i'm on the beta |
| 13:28.48 | p3lim | Oh |
| 13:29.04 | Semlar | i don't see any quest giver |
| 13:29.19 | Semlar | who knows what this has completed though |
| 13:29.26 | Semlar | i assume nothing |
| 13:29.30 | p3lim | Sure |
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| 13:32.10 | Semlar | there's no quest giver here |
| 13:32.45 | Semlar | up top? |
| 13:33.22 | Semlar | i found one |
| 13:33.37 | Semlar | down under the stairs in front |
| 13:33.44 | p3lim | A tauren |
| 13:33.50 | Semlar | yeah he's not "in" the shrine |
| 13:33.59 | p3lim | <p3lim> I had a guy standing right outside shrine |
| 13:34.09 | Semlar | i consider the door to be right outside the shrine |
| 13:34.21 | p3lim | :p |
| 13:35.18 | Semlar | by the way this appears to have fired events for you picking up a quest |
| 13:35.43 | p3lim | Which event? |
| 13:35.45 | Semlar | i got a UNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGED "party1" |
| 13:35.49 | p3lim | Ah yes |
| 13:35.56 | p3lim | It's used to check for shared quests |
| 13:37.24 | Semlar | GetGossipAvailableQuests() works fine |
| 13:37.40 | p3lim | try reloading |
| 13:38.03 | p3lim | GetGossipAvailableQuests() is cached to the last request |
| 13:38.06 | Semlar | i see |
| 13:38.13 | p3lim | So I can't use that |
| 13:39.36 | p3lim | Which was why I was wondering about that minimap thing, I could scan for quest givers in this scenario |
| 13:40.03 | p3lim | But that's not really feasible, the accepting and abandoning method is much better, yet not ideal |
| 13:41.24 | Semlar | might be able to base it on the experience reward |
| 13:41.43 | Semlar | probably not reliable though |
| 13:41.51 | p3lim | Nope |
| 13:41.59 | p3lim | And still requires a database |
| 13:42.07 | Semlar | why would it require a database |
| 13:42.15 | p3lim | XP > playerlevel |
| 13:42.59 | p3lim | Unless it's fixed at a certain value once it becomes trivial |
| 13:43.06 | Semlar | well this guy's going to give me 50 experience |
| 13:43.18 | Semlar | i didn't think they gave any experience |
| 13:43.25 | Semlar | and converted it to currency |
| 13:43.40 | mckenziemc | only for players at max level |
| 13:43.56 | Semlar | the quest says it gives 1370 experience normally |
| 13:45.11 | Semlar | you could probably base it on a percentage of the experience it takes to level but i don't know about quests that give no rewards |
| 13:45.55 | Semlar | i also don't know if any quests simply give tiny amounts of experience for no reason |
| 13:47.33 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info20385-QuestLevelDisplay.html |
| 13:47.40 | p3lim | That one has a huge list of all quests lol |
| 13:47.51 | p3lim | Just for QUEST_DETAIL |
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| 13:52.52 | Semlar | well i crashed the game i hope you're happy |
| 13:53.05 | p3lim | Actually, a little, thanks! D: |
| 13:56.25 | Semlar | clearly you should just ignore all quests from low level units |
| 13:56.42 | p3lim | Not accurate enough |
| 13:57.02 | Semlar | this basically never happens |
| 13:58.15 | Semlar | my script has never accidentally picked up a trivial quest |
| 13:58.23 | p3lim | But it can, so I'm going to support it |
| 13:59.12 | Stanzilla | I always forgot to blacklist that proving grounds npc in QuickQuest |
| 13:59.16 | Stanzilla | 2 years late to the party |
| 13:59.57 | p3lim | Stanzilla: He's blacklisted by default |
| 14:00.49 | Stanzilla | then that never worked here |
| 14:00.58 | p3lim | What's his name? |
| 14:01.03 | Stanzilla | Lieutenant Thorn |
| 14:01.09 | Stanzilla | it is in the code, I just checked |
| 14:01.20 | p3lim | NPC id 79953 |
| 14:01.21 | Stanzilla | maybe the npc ID is different after some garrison campaign quest |
| 14:01.24 | p3lim | Maybe |
| 14:01.45 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.03 | Stanzilla | Dump: value=tonumber(string.match(UnitGUID('target') or '', 'Creature%-.-%-.-%-.-%-.-%-(.-)%-')) |
| 14:02.04 | Stanzilla | [1]=84268 |
| 14:02.07 | p3lim | Weird |
| 14:02.20 | Stanzilla | I blame a quest |
| 14:03.20 | p3lim | The ID I used for is the first "version", level 1 garrison |
| 14:03.21 | mckenziemc | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=79953/lieutenant-thorn he? |
| 14:03.25 | p3lim | I assumed it stayed the same |
| 14:03.34 | p3lim | mckenziemc: That's the one I used |
| 14:03.50 | Stanzilla | there also was a quest where your garrison dude died |
| 14:03.59 | Stanzilla | not sure if it was the proving ground npc though |
| 14:04.00 | mckenziemc | apparently after gender reassignment |
| 14:04.44 | p3lim | Silly alliance and their 8 different npcs |
| 14:04.48 | p3lim | Horde only needs one |
| 14:06.45 | nevcairiel | the proving ground npc doesnt die, but she was in love with the guy that dies, so she changes after to show her distress |
| 14:06.50 | Semlar | IsAvailableQuestTrivial annoyingly returns true for everything |
| 14:06.58 | p3lim | Wowhead really needs to fix their shit, keeps crashing on chrome... |
| 14:07.04 | Stanzilla | yeah she's worgen |
| 14:07.16 | Stanzilla | after the quest she is in worgen form |
| 14:07.27 | p3lim | Pretty sure it's because they added 3D models on every damn page |
| 14:07.46 | Stanzilla | works for me, linux? adblocker? |
| 14:07.53 | p3lim | Windows, whitelisted |
| 14:08.04 | Semlar | firefox master race |
| 14:08.20 | p3lim | Firefox has performance issues on Windows |
| 14:08.22 | p3lim | No thanks |
| 14:08.28 | Stanzilla | firefox is the issue |
| 14:08.30 | nevcairiel | firefox has performance issues everywhere =p |
| 14:08.36 | p3lim | :p |
| 14:08.44 | p3lim | It's much better on linux tho' |
| 14:08.55 | Stanzilla | that reminds me that I wanted to check out their new engine demo |
| 14:09.40 | Semlar | firefox has performance issues? your browser is literally crashing |
| 14:09.50 | p3lim | Not the browser |
| 14:09.53 | p3lim | The wowhead tab |
| 14:10.15 | Stanzilla | he doesnt know that that is possible, firefox only got that feature 2 weeks ago :D |
| 14:10.32 | Stanzilla | "Windows and Android builds are coming soon!" well then, so much for my servo testing |
| 14:10.33 | p3lim | Wait... if anything goes wrong in firefox the whole browser crashes? |
| 14:10.39 | Stanzilla | p3lim: used to, yeah |
| 14:10.43 | p3lim | Jesus christ |
| 14:10.50 | p3lim | Welcome to 2006 then |
| 14:13.26 | p3lim | Stanzilla: https://github.com/p3lim-wow/QuickQuest/commit/7e9e4f55241a30dd5a693ba2d55d7abc33424e0d |
| 14:13.46 | mckenziemc | maybe if sites didn't load their pages with all kinds of dynamic media |
| 14:13.49 | Stanzilla | I only use firefox for website testing and blizzard forums since chrome is a bit stricter about cookies and sometimes does not allow me to post |
| 14:13.59 | Stanzilla | p3lim: thanks |
| 14:14.55 | mckenziemc | firefox is stuck with one core for handling all tabs; att.com by itself can get almost to that limit |
| 14:15.38 | Semlar | tell that to my 200 open tabs |
| 14:15.39 | Stanzilla | like I said, they now have multiprocess stuff |
| 14:16.31 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 14:17.23 | mckenziemc | Semlar: wikipedia's fine |
| 14:17.37 | mckenziemc | that's the main thing i use firefox for now |
| 14:17.49 | Semlar | firefox is using 4% cpu streaming netflix, this irc addon, and 80 tabs open in the background |
| 14:17.54 | p3lim | foxlit: did you have the beta globalstrings? |
| 14:17.55 | Semlar | so i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 14:18.23 | mckenziemc | 80 tabs of what |
| 14:18.26 | Semlar | porn |
| 14:18.38 | Semlar | what do you think |
| 14:19.10 | mckenziemc | oh i didn't realize netflix didn't have your preferred content |
| 14:19.32 | Stanzilla | mckenziemc: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis |
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| 14:51.17 | foxlit | p3lim: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/GlobalStrings.lua ? |
| 14:51.57 | p3lim | foxlit: thanks |
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| 15:03.29 | p3lim | Semlar: odd, the quests we were looking at on beta are not considered low-level on live |
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| 15:17.13 | Semlar | they're green on the beta |
| 15:17.44 | Semlar | since they're just barely within 10 levels |
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| 15:18.17 | p3lim | the quest giver didn't have an exclamation mark above him tho' |
| 15:19.05 | Semlar | it only shows up if you're tracking low level quests on the minimap |
| 15:19.25 | p3lim | but it shouldn't be considered low level (yet) |
| 15:19.38 | Semlar | i don't know what the cut off for "low level" is but it's not the same as trivial |
| 15:19.40 | p3lim | only at 101 |
| 15:19.56 | p3lim | it is |
| 15:20.21 | p3lim | It's defined by GetQuestGreenRange() |
| 15:20.35 | p3lim | which varies, maxes at 10 levels |
| 16:00.17 | karl_w_w | I've entered that weird state where you're really tired and everything seems to be happening really slowly |
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| 16:10.02 | nevcairiel | But it's so exciting that you can't sleep? |
| 16:12.15 | karl_w_w | totally |
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| 17:32.56 | Tentacled | Well this is going to be interesting for the Blizz guys when they're in. I have an X-files-grade fuckup with GetItemInfo() caching. :> |
| 17:33.59 | zenzelezz | do tell |
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| 17:37.36 | Tentacled | Whenever I clear my local caches, I start getting bogus names+links as results from GetItemInfo(). Now a regularity surfaced: the results are off by exactly 241. |
| 17:37.58 | Tentacled | GetItemInfo(12363) returned then name of 12122. |
| 17:38.03 | Tentacled | s/then/the/ |
| 17:39.53 | Tentacled | So I suspect 241, a nice big prime, might be used as a bucket number in some broken hash. |
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| 17:40.55 | Mischanix | After deleting the Cache folder or something different? |
| 17:41.00 | zenzelezz | uh oh; better run Guill |
| 17:42.09 | TheDanW | when you delete the item cache with the game running, or just any time you delete the cache? |
| 17:42.32 | Guill | Does any know the Storyline devs? (Ellypse) |
| 17:42.33 | Mischanix | how do you clear the cache while logged in? |
| 17:42.41 | Tentacled | With the game not running, of course. |
| 17:42.51 | TheDanW | just making sure! |
| 17:42.58 | Tentacled | I have about 3 examples, all shifted down by 241. |
| 17:43.15 | Tentacled | Asked for http://www.wowhead.com/item=4338/mageweave-cloth, got http://www.wowhead.com/item=4097/chipped-gorilla-tooth. |
| 17:43.30 | Tentacled | Asked for http://www.wowhead.com/item=52326/volatile-water, got http://www.wowhead.com/item=52085/precise-carnelian . |
| 17:43.35 | Mischanix | Is this on Beta or PTR? |
| 17:43.39 | VIad | Guill had a question. If you do not answer him in a way he finds satisfactory, he gon have to ban all of you. |
| 17:43.40 | Tentacled | Beta. |
| 17:44.33 | TheDanW | you're deleting the entire cache directory at once, or just certain files? |
| 17:44.58 | Mischanix | my only theory atm is that the server hates you |
| 17:45.20 | Tentacled | TheDanW: the full WoWbeta/cache folder. |
| 17:45.46 | TheDanW | Tentacled: interesting, thanks |
| 17:45.48 | VIad | Guill: Ill help you out, sec. |
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| 17:46.19 | Tentacled | My money is on 241 being a bucket count of a hash. :P |
| 17:46.31 | VIad | Guill: closest I could find, and most direct: https://twitter.com/EllypseCelwe |
| 17:46.35 | Guill | VIad: It's alright. I just wasn't sure if people knew if he already hung out in this channel under a different name or something |
| 17:46.46 | VIad | sadly I am not sure. I dont think he hangs here :( |
| 17:47.00 | VIad | but I see he has a curse profile too |
| 17:47.15 | VIad | http://mods.curse.com/members/kajisensei |
| 17:47.16 | Guill | VIad: Yeah, I'm just going to DM him telling him that he should come to this channel if he wants to get questions answered |
| 17:47.22 | VIad | yeah |
| 17:47.45 | VIad | sounds like an awesome opportunity he should take advantage of :) |
| 17:47.46 | Mischanix | Tentacled: does the information returned by GetItemInfo change over time at all? |
| 17:48.11 | Stanzilla | Guill: did you know that UnitPower does not work with vehicles when it comes to combo points? |
| 17:48.57 | Guill | Stanzilla: I did not |
| 17:49.12 | Stanzilla | Guill: few more details over here http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=316165 |
| 17:49.26 | Guill | Not totally surprised though. It's possible some vehicles still use the old combo point system instead of the new one. |
| 17:49.39 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 17:49.58 | Stanzilla | I think something about that might have been removed though |
| 17:50.09 | Stanzilla | since the dps cp builders dont build any CP atm |
| 17:50.29 | Guill | Oh, like the Malygos fight is actually broken? |
| 17:50.35 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 17:50.49 | Guill | Thanks for the heads up, I'll forward to QA |
| 17:50.53 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 17:52.09 | Tentacled | Mischanix: Not from what I saw. If we get incorrect data once, all future GetItemInfo for that id return the same bad info. |
| 17:53.11 | TheDanW | Tentacled: doesn't seem to repro for me; are you seeing it 100% or just sporadically? are you running other code in between? requesting a bunch of ids or a certain set of ids? |
| 17:53.34 | Tentacled | Sporadically, definitely not for all IDs. |
| 17:53.36 | Mischanix | ah yeah is this in a for i=1,10000 kinda thing? |
| 17:54.24 | Semlar | tackles Guill |
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| 17:54.29 | Semlar | NEVER LEAVE US |
| 17:54.53 | zenzelezz | now that's quite a welcome, Unkle |
| 17:55.02 | Unkle | Indeed. |
| 17:55.14 | Unkle | I may never be able to log out again. |
| 17:57.03 | Tentacled | TheDanW: Also, forcing it out of cache doesn't help. After running a 1,10000 GetItemInfo loop the cache got wiped, naturally, and GII(52326) returned a nil, only to get a G_I_I_R event a bit later and GII(52326) returned the bad Precise Carnelian again. |
| 17:57.18 | Fisker | hey Unkle |
| 17:57.18 | Fisker | i |
| 17:58.25 | TheDanW | Tentacled: are you running over a certain set of item ids when you see this occur? |
| 17:58.56 | Semlar | sounds like 1 to 10000 |
| 17:58.57 | Fisker | no hey? |
| 17:59.00 | Tentacled | It's possible, as the addon I'm developing tries to score a pretty large set of equipment items, so it abuses GII pretty heavily onload. |
| 17:59.30 | Tentacled | And indeed I'm having trouble reproducing this WITHOUT the addon. |
| 17:59.52 | TheDanW | could you log the ids you request and put them on pastebin or somewhere? |
| 18:00.41 | Tentacled | All right, preparing a list. |
| 18:01.05 | TheDanW | Tentacled: thanks! |
| 18:01.07 | Semlar | Guill: there doesn't seem to be any way to get the level of a quest that's being presented to you by a quest giver |
| 18:01.14 | Tentacled | Glad to help. |
| 18:01.19 | Unkle | Hey Fisker |
| 18:01.23 | Fisker | nice |
| 18:02.18 | Guill | Semlar: I think I remember hearing someone complain about that internally too. It'll probably get fixed someday, but not for 7.0. |
| 18:02.43 | Semlar | there's like a million quest functions |
| 18:03.00 | Semlar | it seems like there should just be one like GetQuestInfo(questID) |
| 18:03.25 | Semlar | for basic quest information |
| 18:04.17 | Semlar | that way we can have a million and one quest functions |
| 18:04.33 | Guill | Semlar: I agree. But not for 7.0 :( |
| 18:04.46 | Guill | Also, it might end up being a *little* more complicated just because of how the Quest Cache works. I'd have to look into it. |
| 18:05.31 | Mischanix | Wait is this cache just the DB2 decompressor cache? |
| 18:06.24 | Guill | Not quite. Quests aren't stored on the client at all until the server thinks there's a valid reason for you to have information about them. |
| 18:06.47 | Mischanix | I was referring to the Item-sparse bit in GetItemInfo, apologies for the crosstalk |
| 18:07.08 | Mischanix | the reason it asyncs after a few hundred requests is the cache arena is relatively small |
| 18:07.30 | Guill | Yup |
| 18:07.35 | Mischanix | yaaay 32-bit constraints |
| 18:10.47 | Stanzilla | Guill: are the next Ui changes going into a major or a minor patch after 7.0? |
| 18:11.09 | TheDanW | yes |
| 18:14.18 | Mischanix | Random question, if I call GetRecord in a n=1000 loop, can some of the callbacks return NULL erroneously due to the arena exhausting? |
| 18:16.02 | Mischanix | or does it do `alloc, callback, free` for each id in the request queue |
| 18:17.53 | Tentacled | Interesting question. I've only ever seen GII callbacks return valid data or not at all. It SEEMS to mean that callback events are fired iff the data is available at that moment. |
| 18:18.17 | Tentacled | But that's GII, not GetQuestXxx stuff, or I may be talking out of my ass. |
| 18:19.11 | Tentacled | It wouldn't be much of a callback if it didn't guarantee data being available when it fires... |
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| 18:19.30 | TheDanW | it depends on the source of the cache request |
| 18:20.12 | TheDanW | some will unload the item data immediately after the callback, some will not and it'll get evicted later by new requests |
| 18:20.55 | Tentacled | Right, but DURING the callback the data is expected to be available, and if not then it's a big bad bug? |
| 18:21.08 | Mischanix | yeah the interesting thing about the Lua part of it is that it fires the event in the callback but the event will be processed in a stack that takes place much later |
| 18:21.49 | Mischanix | Oh wait it is processed in the same stack, nevermind |
| 18:22.35 | TheDanW | yes, if you receive an event that the item data is available then as long as you do not do anything else involving other items you should be guaranteed to have the item data |
| 18:24.34 | Tentacled | TheDanW: And, likewise, the moment the event handler is done, the data is no longer guaranteed to be available. Yes? So, in other words, with the caches possibly being too small for some usage scenarios, it should be advisable to ONLY access GetSomething() results within respective callback events, and only use GetSomething() outside the callbacks as an async request, yes? |
| 18:25.33 | Semlar | some of the transmog functions appear to require information to be cached but don't fire any events |
| 18:26.12 | Semlar | like they'll occasionally give you nil item names |
| 18:27.16 | Tentacled | OK, so here's what the addon requests: http://puu.sh/pRkjq/417b43cb77.txt and here sorted for convenience: http://puu.sh/pRktY/4c79c82646.txt |
| 18:28.33 | Tentacled | Aaand asking for 127730 yields 127489. |
| 18:28.35 | Mischanix | Are you requesting items other than the id specified by the GIIR event in the event handler? |
| 18:29.01 | Tentacled | Mischanix: even a plain /dump GetItemInfo(127730) returns bad data now. |
| 18:29.15 | Mischanix | Yes but in the first GII requests |
| 18:32.42 | Tentacled | http://puu.sh/pRkSZ/53dc0b1765.txt |
| 18:32.45 | Tentacled | Nope. |
| 18:34.28 | Tentacled | That's about the only thing we do in the GIIR handler. Let's see if removing that callback entirely changes anything... so that there's NOTHING handling GIIR... |
| 18:35.03 | TheDanW | Tentacled: yeah, outside of the associated handler there's no more guarantees that the item data is still cached |
| 18:35.49 | TheDanW | Tentacled: thanks for the data |
| 18:39.32 | Tentacled | Hmm. Disabling the part that calls for all the weirdly zeroed and hand-crafted links SEEMS to have cleared the issue so far... testing... |
| 18:44.19 | Tentacled | And so far it holds. So those odd :::::0 ::::100 links must be upsetting the cache. |
| 18:46.32 | Tentacled | ... because they can't possibly be right. The code that produces them isn't accustomed to Legion-style zero-skipped IDs - item:124321::::::::100:251:4:5:2:564:566:529::: cannot possibly match item:124321:100:251:4:5:2:564:566:100. So this definitely is an error on the addon's part - but it looks like the crazy patient drove the doctor crazy, too. |
| 18:51.17 | Mischanix | TIL item links can be in hex |
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| 18:59.31 | Tentacled | Two ellypses. That's "......"? |
| 19:01.24 | TheDanW | Tentacled: when you get into that corrupted state, does only GetItemInfo return the wrong data, or does GetItemInfoInstant or other item functions also break? |
| 19:03.41 | VIad | Guill: GetAllTaxiNodes() crashes the client if you dont first show the taxi map |
| 19:05.25 | Tentacled | ^ (re: VIad) I wish it not only didn't crash, but actually returned all the known nodes on all continents... :P |
| 19:05.42 | Tentacled | TheDanW: GetItemInfoInstant does not return name/itemlink, and those are the only fields we were able to see errors in. But I am first to admit that we did not check other fields. |
| 19:05.52 | VIad | ^ maybe if GetAllTaxiNodes got some parameters, we could specify it to return for a specific continent or all? |
| 19:07.13 | TheDanW | Tentacled: yeah, it would help to know if just the names are incorrect or if all the data is incorrected |
| 19:07.34 | TheDanW | -ed |
| 19:08.11 | Tentacled | TheDanW: However, I have a screenshot of at least one incorrect item, and will compare other fields to correct ones now. Also, will check other functions now. |
| 19:11.18 | Tentacled | Other GII fields are also corrupted: http://puu.sh/pHMjM/8b255d4c6b.jpg http://puu.sh/pRnbk/d627383f84.jpg |
| 19:13.27 | Semlar | _GetItemInfo=GetItemInfo; GetItemInfo = function() return _GetItemInfo(random(1,70000)) end |
| 19:14.06 | TheDanW | Tentacled: interesting, if you see it again can you try GetItemInfoInstant? the first return is the item id, it would be good to know if the item id you pass in isn't the same as you get back |
| 19:14.20 | Tentacled | Semlar++ |
| 19:14.29 | Tentacled | Checking GIII now... |
| 19:16.02 | Tentacled | But it's consistent. Removal of the calls with broken links (with consecutive ::::s removed, as a result of broken "sanitization") resulted in the cache no longer being corrupted. |
| 19:16.45 | TheDanW | yeah, it should be gracefully handling those links though |
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| 19:29.12 | Tentacled | TheDanW: item 4338, properly Mageweave Cloth: http://puu.sh/pRoi8/5109daf34b.jpg http://puu.sh/pRokn/81af1536ed.jpg |
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| 19:30.37 | Tentacled | So, GIII seems fine. |
| 19:31.12 | Tentacled | 113289, Volatile Crystal. GII, http://puu.sh/pRorB/f378eb2d5a.jpg GIII, http://puu.sh/pRotR/2367e823b9.jpg |
| 19:35.12 | VIad | what is "GII" ? |
| 19:35.20 | mckenziemc | GetItemInfo |
| 19:35.28 | VIad | what is GetItemInfoInstant ? |
| 19:35.29 | VIad | new API? :o |
| 19:35.30 | mckenziemc | i wondered too, till i checked the screenshots :p |
| 19:36.13 | VIad | interesting why we need two API for that, one would assume GetItemInfo would be upgraded to be instant instead of adding a new api :o |
| 19:36.29 | Semlar | because it only returns information that doesn't have to be fetched from the server |
| 19:36.32 | mckenziemc | downgrades VIad to a starter edition |
| 19:36.49 | Tentacled | VIad, worse yet, GII is now using a smaller cache, resulting in far more frequent "nil" responses. |
| 19:37.16 | VIad | aha |
| 19:37.32 | VIad | installs anti-virus and counters mckenziemc. |
| 19:37.45 | mckenziemc | shall we grab the pitchforks? |
| 19:37.50 | TheDanW | there's many layers of caching, GetItemInfoInstant is the only one guaranteed to be in memory |
| 19:39.16 | Mischanix | whatever happened to lz4 |
| 19:39.24 | Simca_ | hopefully this isn't my fault for submitting all those crash reports for months when the game was crashing when i tried to load 135,000 items into the cache table |
| 19:39.34 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 19:39.54 | mckenziemc | i just put the pitchfork away... |
| 19:39.56 | Tentacled | Yes, grab the pitchforks now. |
| 19:40.12 | TheDanW | nope, it's everyone still running 32 bit clients ;p |
| 19:41.10 | Stanzilla | maybe next expansion we can kill that :D |
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| 19:43.54 | Mischanix | if you really wanted to save memory, you could stream the .db2 file out of casc for every request |
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| 19:44.19 | Mischanix | might be a reason to go from z=256k* to z=64k* |
| 19:44.22 | Tentacled | ... And watch |
| 19:44.26 | Tentacled | the game load |
| 19:44.29 | Tentacled | one texture |
| 19:44.32 | Tentacled | at a time... |
| 19:44.58 | znf | Is there some raid testing up? |
| 19:45.15 | Stanzilla | soon |
| 19:45.17 | Tentacled | one item at a time, more like |
| 19:45.20 | Stanzilla | znf |
| 19:45.35 | znf | ah |
| 19:45.35 | znf | mkay |
| 19:46.21 | Simca_ | mckenziemc: pitch your forks here http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14579447812?page=1#19 |
| 19:47.01 | Mischanix | Hey I was thinking about making a little "wasted space visualizer" for CAS installations |
| 19:47.27 | Mischanix | green for in the Download manifest, red for not in the Download manifest, gray for unused, across all 50GB or whatever of the .data files |
| 19:47.57 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/1oPZE19.png |
| 19:47.59 | Mischanix | fuel for the fire Kappa |
| 19:48.17 | Simca_ | lol |
| 19:48.21 | Simca_ | my beta install is only 55 GB |
| 19:48.57 | Stanzilla | never reinstalled |
| 19:49.01 | Stanzilla | so that is from first build till now |
| 19:49.23 | Simca_ | yeah mine was wiped on Jan 21st 2016 apparently |
| 19:49.36 | Simca_ | so about a 2 month difference between us |
| 19:49.50 | Simca_ | real size is probably about 36 GB |
| 19:50.04 | Simca_ | so you're at almost double the real installation size now |
| 19:50.21 | kd3 | hm. I'm curious to see how bloated my install is, but not enough to remote home, reboot into the windows partition and check |
| 19:50.54 | Mischanix | could output a ~4000x4000 .png with 1 pixel per 4kB |
| 19:51.10 | Tentacled | TheDanW: what else can I dig into to help with the cache issue? |
| 19:51.16 | Simca_ | Mischanix: roflmao, do it |
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| 19:56.29 | TheDanW | Tentacled: not too much else from your end, i think i know the general area where its broken, but without being able to repro it myself i can't pinpoint it :( |
| 19:57.52 | Mischanix | Tentacled: can you try it with a different specialization? |
| 19:58.50 | Tentacled | t |
| 19:59.34 | znf | Stanzilla, mr. BuildMan |
| 19:59.37 | znf | new build tonight |
| 19:59.38 | znf | ? |
| 19:59.59 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 20:00.07 | Tentacled | Mischanix: the items in question were mostly trade goods, not equipment. Some equipment popped up in error. The proper IDs that were queried were trade goods from a long list of tradeable items. |
| 20:00.42 | Mischanix | Tentacled: yeah, but the item link stuff modifies specialization id in trade goods links as well |
| 20:00.53 | znf | in other news, there should really be a default UI indicator if you killed a boss/you are locked out for loot in a dungeon |
| 20:01.00 | znf | unless there is, and I can't find it |
| 20:01.20 | Tentacled | Mischanix: more like it totally mangles it... :> |
| 20:01.44 | nevcairiel | znf: you mean other then the lockout UI? |
| 20:02.07 | Simca_ | it isn't working for world bosses in Legion |
| 20:02.22 | znf | nevcairiel, shush. |
| 20:02.24 | Simca_ | at least according to trade chat |
| 20:02.27 | nevcairiel | He did ask about dungeons |
| 20:02.30 | Simca_ | true |
| 20:02.49 | kd3 | holy crap, romscout pulled off the blindfolded run |
| 20:02.49 | znf | but yeah, dungeons should in theory show up there |
| 20:03.07 | znf | but right now I'm curious abotu world bosses |
| 20:03.21 | znf | I've done the 3 bosses that were up this week, I was eligible for loot only for one, for some reasons |
| 20:04.01 | nevcairiel | Maybe you only get loot when it has a WQ up, or it just didn't Drop things? |
| 20:04.36 | znf | I'm sure it drops at least gold |
| 20:04.56 | nevcairiel | Don't you get that when someone else loots? |
| 20:05.14 | znf | it's personal, so no |
| 20:05.30 | nevcairiel | Gold too? |
| 20:05.34 | znf | yeah |
| 20:05.54 | nevcairiel | Never really paid attention how gold works in personal loot |
| 20:06.05 | znf | You no longer get the "your share of the gold is..." |
| 20:06.09 | znf | just "You loot..." |
| 20:06.27 | kullervo | I never paid attention to how gold works in general |
| 20:06.41 | kullervo | just that there's lots of it and it keeps accumulating |
| 20:06.43 | kd3 | my understanding is there's quantum-gold on the boss. each person loots the quasi-gold the server says they git |
| 20:07.09 | znf | the API for world bosses is not working for Legion |
| 20:07.24 | znf | and I don't think anyone yet built a list of quests for the new ones |
| 20:08.03 | znf | (I'm assuming/hoping that the bosses saves are quest-based like they used to be) |
| 20:09.02 | nevcairiel | Install one of those quest watching addons when you kill them next |
| 20:09.35 | znf | I have it |
| 20:09.51 | znf | that's one of the reasons I went to kill the bosses :P |
| 20:09.52 | Semlar | boss saves? |
| 20:10.06 | znf | no quest triggered on the Humongris and Nighogg (whatever it's spelled) |
| 20:10.08 | Semlar | bosses aren't quest based |
| 20:10.15 | Semlar | they have instance locks |
| 20:10.25 | Simca_ | world bosses |
| 20:10.28 | Simca_ | are quest-based |
| 20:10.28 | Semlar | ah |
| 20:10.50 | Simca_ | and that CSV I posted is based on a full NPC scan, done by semlar, and it has the new TrackingQuestID field |
| 20:11.06 | Simca_ | if you look up the world boss by its NPC ID, you should get the tracking quest right there |
| 20:11.21 | znf | link |
| 20:11.47 | znf | if I'm right, Calamir should be 43193 (npc id 109331) |
| 20:11.49 | Simca_ | http://www.mediafire.com/download/80kmfjrtbnl348j/CreatureCache_22124_Full.csv |
| 20:13.32 | Simca_ | hmm |
| 20:13.56 | Simca_ | TrackingQuestID field must have changed, it is now only 0-6 and has nothing to do with rares/bosses |
| 20:14.05 | kd3 | ugh. compiling openwrt on my macbook air was a mistake |
| 20:14.13 | kd3 | ~2 hours in and it's still just chugging along |
| 20:14.25 | Simca_ | VignetteID still works at least. |
| 20:16.35 | znf | Simca_, it's empty |
| 20:16.42 | znf | myeah |
| 20:16.51 | Fisker | Hey kd3 |
| 20:16.56 | Tentacled | Mischanix: After relog, without cleaning up cache: dk frost: http://puu.sh/pRqIJ/298fe3e005.jpg dk blood: http://puu.sh/pRqNu/c0bf866eae.jpg |
| 20:16.59 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 20:17.44 | Simca_ | wait, this actually ruins your cache? |
| 20:18.04 | Simca_ | that could be interesting, can you provide the item-sparse.adb and item.adb in question? |
| 20:18.13 | Tentacled | As an added bonus, http://puu.sh/pRr1l/402fa92d18.jpg |
| 20:19.17 | nevcairiel | That thing got the thunderfury effect? :D |
| 20:19.30 | Simca_ | i can read them, translate to csv and diff the csvs |
| 20:19.34 | znf | oh, there's Mythic Raid Testing tonight |
| 20:19.37 | Tentacled | http://sinpi.net/f/Cache.zip |
| 20:19.49 | Stanzilla | I told you that a few minutes ago, znf |
| 20:21.19 | znf | Stanzilla, you said soon! |
| 20:21.20 | znf | :-( |
| 20:21.23 | znf | I can't mythic |
| 20:21.28 | znf | I wanted some normal/heroic |
| 20:21.52 | Simca_ | interesting, your item.adb is large too |
| 20:22.07 | Simca_ | but it shouldn't even be requesting that from the server unless it is unknown |
| 20:24.44 | Simca_ | i guess my reading of WCH5 files is broken, will take a minute to fix |
| 20:27.15 | Simca_ | still working on item.adb, i must have screwed something up because it thinks the ID column is a float. |
| 20:29.12 | Mischanix | can you repro the corruption when you start with a clean cache on blood dk, Tentacled? |
| 20:29.49 | Simca_ | but here is your item-sparse.csv and a real (full) one from the client naturally: |
| 20:29.56 | Simca_ | http://www.mediafire.com/download/4w8a5r4tot7pb39/Item-sparse-comparison.zip |
| 20:37.39 | Simca_ | >item 4338, properly Mageweave Cloth: http://puu.sh/pRoi8/5109daf34b.jpg http://puu.sh/pRokn/81af1536ed.jpg |
| 20:37.51 | Simca_ | your adb does not contain mageweave cloth. |
| 20:38.17 | Simca_ | it contains item 4339 though, which would be a weird coincidence, to not have the item in question but to have the itemID of it + 1 |
| 20:39.49 | Simca_ | ah my bad, not 4339, 4389 (gyrochronatom) |
| 20:41.42 | Simca_ | okay, so my reading of your item.adb is not wrong |
| 20:41.49 | Simca_ | your item.adb is just completely nonsense |
| 20:42.18 | Simca_ | somehow reading in that nonsense is causing the client to misassociate the rest of the item information |
| 20:42.44 | Simca_ | here's an example, just from the headers of your item.adb: minID is 1467749654. maxID is 100. |
| 20:43.26 | Tentacled | Are you positive that the reading is correct..? I'd be surprised if the cache got corrupted SO much... (But then again weirder things happen) |
| 20:43.39 | Simca_ | pretty sure |
| 20:43.55 | Simca_ | try this: delete every .adb file except item.adb |
| 20:44.01 | Simca_ | and see if the issue is still present |
| 20:44.31 | Simca_ | (game has to be closed when you do it) |
| 20:45.10 | Tentacled | Can't now, it was a coworker testing all this, on his machine - I can't be sure to repro it instantly. I was mostly proxying his results here. I can check tomorrow. |
| 20:45.29 | Simca_ | ah ok |
| 20:45.32 | Simca_ | well |
| 20:45.55 | Simca_ | if i copy in your item.adb and hotfix.tbl, maybe i can replicate it |
| 20:46.13 | Simca_ | honestly, blizzard shouldn't be accepting this ADB as valid input |
| 20:46.34 | Simca_ | maxID < minID is impossible; they should assume the file is corrupt |
| 20:47.06 | Tentacled | maybe minID is read in as signed? :P |
| 20:47.29 | Stanzilla | foxlit: no idea how I did that, but I blame lag http://paste2.org/4C0FOg7f |
| 20:47.40 | Stanzilla | was after a loading screen |
| 20:49.36 | Tentacled | nah, wait, 1467749654 won't one the sign bit yet. |
| 20:52.15 | Simca_ | ah, i was looking at the wrong header field in my hex editor. yours is right for minID and maxID. let me look at the rows then. |
| 20:57.34 | Mischanix | Simca_: 577C1516 is a very suspiciously close-to-now unix timestamp :p |
| 20:57.49 | Simca_ | yes, that was timestamp' |
| 20:59.18 | Simca_ | i see why my file isn't reading your adb right; your adb is unsorted |
| 20:59.29 | Simca_ | which is quite unusual, but isn't against the specs |
| 21:00.34 | Simca_ | i know blizzard enforces sorting on some types of dbs, but i guess item isn't one of them |
| 21:00.46 | nevcairiel | or it got unsorted when it broke |
| 21:00.51 | Simca_ | true |
| 21:08.17 | relaxok | can't you just delete all the caches and forget about this? |
| 21:08.43 | nevcairiel | it seems like he can reproduce this bad situation though |
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| 21:37.27 | mckenziemc | just restart the computer and everything will be fine again |
| 21:38.36 | Tentacled | restarts mckenziemc |
| 21:40.09 | mckenziemc | is static. |
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| 21:44.14 | Munk | Did someone ever put a list together of all the action camera stuff? |
| 21:49.15 | FireSiku | I'm hearing about it a lot, what IS the action cam? |
| 21:49.59 | nevcairiel | its a cam that moves a bit around depending what you do |
| 21:50.07 | nevcairiel | it focuses on your targets and things like that |
| 21:50.20 | FireSiku | Ah. |
| 21:50.43 | FireSiku | Players were having fun, so they had to pull the plug I take it? |
| 21:50.51 | nevcairiel | nah actioncam still works fine |
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| 22:23.24 | Mischanix | My beta's Data archives vs what's in the current build's download manifest: https://drop.furl.cc/juMDu |
| 22:23.42 | Mischanix | 1 pixel = 4kB |
| 22:25.16 | nevcairiel | your url is ded |
| 22:25.46 | nevcairiel | but we all know beta installs balloon up to ridiculous sizes because casc doesnt clean itself |
| 22:26.11 | Mischanix | http://i.imgur.com/OnAMZes.png |
| 22:26.20 | nevcairiel | if you had it back from the alpha without re-installs, it would probably be like 100gb by now |
| 22:26.44 | Mischanix | gray = not referenced in any .idx |
| 22:30.41 | Torhal | Mischanix: What are you doing in here? >.> |
| 22:31.23 | Mischanix | Torhal: Wonderous things |
| 22:31.37 | Torhal | Oh, dear. |
| 22:32.58 | Simca_ | red = 0s? |
| 22:33.07 | Simca_ | (padding) |
| 22:33.27 | Mischanix | red = was listed in an index but isn't in the Download file for the current build |
| 22:33.54 | Simca_ | ah |
| 22:34.08 | Mischanix | i didn't bother to discern old indexes, just read *.idx |
| 22:34.28 | Mischanix | so it could be referring to already garbage-collected files |
| 22:34.59 | Simca_ | my bloated install is like 30% grey |
| 22:36.22 | Simca_ | the shitty part is that you can't just delete the grey sections, you'd have to delete the grey sections while tracking all the movement that would cause for the non-grey sections in the same archive, updating the relevant idx files |
| 22:37.05 | Mischanix | 61GB install which has files from live, beta, and ptr in it (current active build is PTR): http://i.imgur.com/CxV4YvM.png |
| 22:41.11 | Cairenn | So, who is a chemist in here? I need a suggestion on a liquid I can put in a little bottle, sealed with a cork, that has little metal charms in it. I want something 'thicker' than water, but not so thick as gel. I'm thinking either mineral oil or glycerine - any suggestions? |
| 22:42.20 | Cairenn | It needs to be clear, odourless and won't 'spoil'. |
| 22:44.45 | Simca_ | not because i know the answer but because somebody who is a chemist would ask: what's the metal in the charms? |
| 22:45.42 | Simca_ | because some liquids would eventually dissolve the surface of the metla |
| 22:45.45 | Simca_ | metal* |
| 22:45.49 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 22:48.04 | Cairenn | They're typically an alloy, lead & nickel free, with antiqued brass/bronze/copper/silver finishes |
| 22:48.10 | Mischanix | so one thing to note about glycerine is it will take on water from the air over time |
| 22:48.29 | Mischanix | so you'd need to seal it from air |
| 22:48.36 | Cairenn | If it's in a sealed bottle? |
| 22:48.38 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 22:49.10 | Cairenn | Cork capped, sealed with either super glue or hot glue. Glass bottles. |
| 22:49.45 | Mischanix | Other than that I'd try glycerine and see if you like the look |
| 22:50.06 | Cairenn | (/me has started a side business, making some jewellery) |
| 22:50.47 | Mischanix | I'd be scared that mineral oil might end up removing the finish |
| 22:52.21 | Mischanix | But no idea, haven't tried anything like that myself! |
| 22:54.30 | Torhal | looks for Cairenn on Etsy. |
| 22:54.53 | Cairenn | Haven't actually opened the shop yet, getting stuff together first. |
| 22:55.30 | Cairenn | Plus, waiting until Canada Post decides if it is going to go on strike or not. :p |
| 22:55.30 | Torhal | Ah |
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| 23:34.51 | VIad | Semlar: the new taxi api is great! built in nodeID referencing the taxinode.dbc and my taxitimer is now working pretty well :D |
| 23:35.20 | VIad | calculating how long a flight takes and adjusts based on speed during the flight, as some paths suddenly speed up at weird places, sadly can only adjust for those atm during flight |
| 23:49.38 | VIad | I am pretty proud at least |
