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| 01:35.58 | Torhal | Simca: WoWDB Profiler will be picking up recipes that aren't even in the game, like https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpff99vt1mm9jci/Screenshot%202016-06-29%2020.32.02.png |
| 01:36.13 | Torhal | I'm trying to figure out how to get ARL to ignore those, but I don't see how with that info. |
| 01:36.29 | Torhal | disabled = false and all that |
| 01:36.59 | Torhal | Yet it isn't visible in the default UI, so I'll look at that code to see what trickery they're using to hide them. |
| 01:43.28 | pompy | hax |
| 02:00.03 | Ressy | Torhal: I can give you spell ids of ones to disable. :P |
| 02:01.00 | Torhal | Ressy: I'd rather not build a list that needs maintenance if there's a way to simply ignore them. |
| 02:01.18 | Ressy | well if you can't. :) |
| 02:01.29 | Torhal | There must be, since the default UI doesn't show them even when searched specifically by name. |
| 02:44.42 | Arrowmaster | fuck i need to find another audiobook again and cant find a torrent of the one i wanted |
| 02:45.28 | Arrowmaster | and i go through audiobooks too fast to buy them on audible..... |
| 02:45.59 | Torhal | I blame Semlar, Arrowmaster. |
| 02:46.00 | Torhal | Possibly even Neffi. |
| 02:46.01 | Torhal | They may be in cahoots. |
| 02:46.08 | Arrowmaster | oh oh oh yes |
| 02:46.24 | Arrowmaster | i searched for the series name instead of the name of the first book and think i found a torrent |
| 02:46.42 | Semlar | twilight? |
| 02:46.50 | znf | 50 shades of grey |
| 02:47.02 | Neffi | Torhal thinks we are in cahoots, Semlar |
| 02:47.10 | Semlar | we are in cahoots neffi |
| 02:47.15 | Neffi | oh right |
| 02:47.25 | Neffi | quick grab as many cats as you can hold |
| 02:47.31 | Semlar | way ahead of you |
| 02:48.54 | Arrowmaster | culture series |
| 02:49.20 | Semlar | are there any vampires in it? |
| 02:49.47 | Arrowmaster | i would never read twilight and ive already seen the movie for 50 shades opening night at the theater in mst3k style |
| 02:52.56 | Arrowmaster | i should fix my torrent setup, i still havent setup a torrent client on my new laptop so im remoting into my old laptop and dont have room on its harddrive so im torrenting on my old laptop and saving it directly to my new laptop |
| 02:53.07 | Arrowmaster | why must we IT guys never do things the simple way |
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| 03:04.33 | znf | uhm http://i.imgur.com/KdP5dey.jpg |
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| 03:18.12 | Guill | znf: What are we supposed to be looking at? |
| 03:18.32 | znf | I'm just amazed that I can get 130% with just one follower |
| 03:19.06 | Guill | Huh, yeah, that does seem a bit strange. They must be almost as good at the game as I am. |
| 03:19.50 | znf | btw |
| 03:20.02 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/W0WxxTN.jpg <- is that trait actually active? |
| 03:20.07 | znf | I have no points in it, except from a relic |
| 03:20.35 | znf | judging by the lines (none lit), I'd say that it's not active, but hovering it doesn't say anything about "no active links" |
| 03:21.26 | Guill | Not a feature I actually worked on, but I'm pretty sure the way it's supposed to work is that you still get the benefits from a trait you only have points in via a relic, but it doesn't let you buy nearby traits |
| 03:21.49 | znf | Oh |
| 03:22.03 | znf | Even if don't have any near trait purchased? |
| 03:22.18 | Guill | Yup! |
| 03:22.20 | znf | If I had a relic that granted this http://i.imgur.com/flURMER.jpg |
| 03:22.22 | znf | interesting |
| 03:22.36 | Guill | That's actually pretty much what I have on my Beta char |
| 03:22.48 | Guill | A single point in a trait all the way across the tree from what I've actually bought |
| 03:23.54 | znf | The UI leads me to believe it's not actually active, but it's good to know. |
| 03:30.01 | Torhal | The C_TradeSkillUI stuff is sorcery, Guill. |
| 03:32.00 | Guill | Good sorcery or burning alive sorcery? |
| 03:32.31 | Torhal | Good sorcery, save for the caveat that it exposes recipes which aren't in the game. Need to figure out what you guys are doing to hide those in the default UI. |
| 03:32.47 | Guill | K, I'll take credit then |
| 03:32.58 | Torhal | lol |
| 03:33.05 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/1700/ |
| 03:33.24 | Guill | I mean, I code reviewed some of it. And that's pretty much as significant as implementing it imo. |
| 03:33.27 | Torhal | No more filter dance, which makes me happy. |
| 03:33.33 | Torhal | Haha |
| 03:33.43 | Guill | (For real though, thank TheDanW! That was one of his) |
| 03:34.04 | Fisker | Praise Helix though |
| 03:34.15 | Arrowmaster | i may regret responding to this never have i ever post in the blizzcon and chill fb group |
| 03:34.38 | Torhal | Thank you, TheDanW. How much of Guill's work can you take credit for by virtue of code reviews? |
| 03:34.57 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: That's a... thing? |
| 03:34.58 | Torhal | Of course it is. |
| 03:35.19 | Guill | The real question is, is there any of my work he would WANT to take credit for? |
| 03:35.25 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: its a joke group |
| 03:35.39 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Oh, good. Because I can actually see that as being real. |
| 03:36.01 | Torhal | I'm not sure. You did throw him under the bus, after all. |
| 03:41.24 | znf | so, I earned almost as much AP as I had pre-*poof*-my-artifact |
| 03:41.29 | znf | in ~24 hours |
| 03:42.09 | znf | Guill, UI thing! Why can't I re-enable Champions? :-/ |
| 03:42.33 | Guill | Huh? |
| 03:42.57 | Torhal | o.O |
| 03:43.17 | Semlar | guill who do i blame for C_TransmogCollection's naming scheme |
| 03:43.20 | znf | Guill, my champions - mission table - right click - activate / deactivate |
| 03:43.32 | Fisker | Torhal my cat is dying :( |
| 03:44.08 | Guill | Semlar: What's wrong with it? |
| 03:44.30 | Guill | znf: I have no idea |
| 03:44.33 | Torhal | Fisker: I'm sorry, man. Our poppa cat hasn't been home in over a month, and one of our kittens died last week. Been rough. |
| 03:44.33 | Semlar | there's a GetAppearanceSourceInfo and a GetAppearanceInfoBySource |
| 03:44.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 03:45.25 | Guill | Semlar: As long as one of them gets the source info for an appearance and one gets info about an appearance when given the source, that seems reasonable to me |
| 03:45.34 | Semlar | they both take a sourceID |
| 03:45.57 | Guill | Yeah, that's sort of confusing then :P |
| 03:46.36 | Torhal | I think the reason Semlar doesn't publish AddOns is he's waiting for C_SemlarMadness methods to hit the mainline client. |
| 03:46.37 | Semlar | i was trying to figure out why there isn't an api function to return the "sourceID" from an item |
| 03:46.49 | Guill | Well, if you had brought this up a month ago, we might have been able to fix it. So I'm going to go ahead and say we can all blame Semlar. |
| 03:46.55 | Semlar | o.o |
| 03:46.57 | Torhal | I thought you wanted appearanceID, Semlar? |
| 03:47.02 | Semlar | well i do want the appearanceID |
| 03:47.20 | Semlar | but items inherently represent a source, i think |
| 03:47.23 | Semlar | it's kind of confusing |
| 03:48.31 | Semlar | right now the only way to get the appearance, given an item, is to equip the item on a model, call model:GetSlotTransmogSources() to get the sourceID for it, then use C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceSourceInfo on that |
| 03:49.17 | Semlar | or possibly generate a database by iterating over all of the categories and getting all of the items associated with all of the appearances |
| 03:49.58 | Semlar | unless maybe there's an api function that i've missed |
| 03:50.16 | nebula | i'll get the lighter fluid. |
| 03:50.44 | Torhal | nebula: I'm thinking this is appropriate case for napalm. |
| 03:51.18 | Semlar | i also have no idea what GetIllusionFallbackWeaponSource does |
| 03:53.27 | Torhal | It's obviously the illusory fallback for a weapon source. |
| 03:53.28 | Torhal | >.> |
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| 04:22.17 | Fisker | hugs imposter Cairenn1 |
| 04:22.55 | Cairenn1 | hugs Fisker |
| 04:23.13 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 04:24.07 | Fisker | hugs real Cairenn |
| 04:24.14 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 04:29.06 | znf | Freakin' comunism. |
| 04:29.20 | znf | Also, I should learn to say no to friends when they ask me to format a document for them |
| 04:29.42 | znf | Stupid teachers teching kids to indent their paragraphs :-/ |
| 04:30.57 | Torhal | indents znf's gripes. |
| 04:40.22 | znf | Instead of Multistrike, Versatility should have been the *poof*'d stat |
| 05:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | i think they both shoulda probably gotten canned |
| 05:14.20 | Mr_Rabies | they were basically duplicates of crit and primary stat |
| 05:14.22 | nebula | multistrike was literally crit |
| 05:15.18 | nebula | versatility is a bit more /glasses versatile than your primary stat, though |
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| 05:40.34 | relaxok | their reasoning for getting rid of hit makes no sense |
| 05:41.00 | relaxok | it's an incredibly easy think to describe and the UI could easily have made it even clearer |
| 05:41.03 | relaxok | thing* |
| 06:11.10 | Primer | Is it still possible to get MoP rep by selecting the faction in the rep tab and doing dungeons? The tooltip is rather vague... |
| 06:12.29 | Primer | Or is it just extra rep when doing stuff for that faction? |
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| 07:59.09 | AcidWeb | Useless fact of the day: GUIDs of IoC gates changed between MoP and WoD. |
| 07:59.20 | VIad | IoC? |
| 07:59.31 | AcidWeb | isle of conquest |
| 07:59.34 | VIad | ah |
| 07:59.46 | VIad | are they still gameobjects, or? |
| 08:00.18 | AcidWeb | Yes. Just guid changed. |
| 08:01.53 | VIad | oh |
| 08:02.09 | VIad | you mean the game kept the same guid on the walls and all between server maintenances too? |
| 08:02.20 | VIad | I thought they reset them to new/random once after server rebooted |
| 08:02.56 | AcidWeb | No idea. I only checked IoC gates. In MoP numbers were static. |
| 08:03.30 | VIad | OIC |
| 08:03.54 | AcidWeb | As all 6 had the same name guid was only way to id which one recive damage. |
| 08:04.03 | VIad | oh |
| 08:04.22 | VIad | I guess that contracts by the definition of what a GUID is :p |
| 08:04.31 | VIad | if more things share the same one |
| 08:06.13 | AcidWeb | Maybe I used wrong term to describe it. |
| 08:06.34 | AcidWeb | Im talking about destGUID value of COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED event. |
| 08:07.06 | VIad | that should be the same as UnitGUID"mouseover" if you mouse the wall part |
| 08:07.22 | VIad | shouldnt it? |
| 08:07.26 | AcidWeb | yes |
| 08:07.35 | AcidWeb | And I'm 100% sure it was static in MoP. |
| 08:08.21 | VIad | I won't argue with you :d |
| 08:08.28 | VIad | last time I cared was back in WOTLK |
| 08:08.37 | VIad | oh nvm |
| 08:08.46 | VIad | well |
| 08:08.56 | VIad | kind of true? last time I did active pvp bgs and IOC was like cata :p |
| 08:09.01 | VIad | it came with cata didnt it? |
| 08:09.24 | VIad | maybe mop, memory is bad, not a huge pvp fan :( |
| 08:09.27 | AcidWeb | I just returned to WoW after 4y break... And game still lack proper BG map. So I try to resurect my old code. |
| 08:10.37 | VIad | :d |
| 08:10.45 | VIad | well fear not! |
| 08:10.51 | VIad | there has not been new BGs in a while :p |
| 08:11.05 | VIad | you probably find like, 1 or 2 new BGs than what you remember |
| 08:11.11 | VIad | and ashran but we dont talk about that |
| 08:11.26 | VIad | the most useless area in the game, since wintergrasp |
| 08:11.32 | VIad | tbh wintergrasp was more fun than ashran is |
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| 08:12.25 | VIad | you enter ashran, everyone spams chat what you should do, if you wander off to quest or do what you feel like it, you get nothing out of it, the only reward is if you do the one pvp activity with the rest of the players, to go for those designated pvp areas and do the objective :p |
| 08:12.29 | AcidWeb | Yes. That is good part. Disassembling entire BG mechanic is quite painfull process. |
| 08:12.49 | VIad | stay away from ashran though |
| 08:14.07 | AcidWeb | Not many people check for example how much points you get per second on Deepwind Gorge with two points caped. |
| 08:14.29 | AcidWeb | And yes ashran is zerg spamfest. |
| 08:15.10 | VIad | I guess the rate scales up the more points you cap |
| 08:16.00 | AcidWeb | Well on DG: 0 - 0, 1 - 1.6, 2 - 3.2, 3 = 26 |
| 08:35.07 | VIad | I can't find a formula to produce those numbers, AcidWeb |
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| 08:37.01 | AcidWeb | Because it is not calculated on UI side. |
| 08:37.26 | AcidWeb | API return calculated values |
| 08:37.28 | VIad | I mean I was trying to fit those into a line |
| 08:37.48 | VIad | getScorePerSecond(numNodes) |
| 08:39.40 | AcidWeb | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/AcidWeb/6e55b880dc6addb945e2965df766fd5b/raw/e09841224124d8e50a671f3bfab2af01a9c3e9ee/gistfile1.txt |
| 08:46.17 | VIad | ugh |
| 08:46.36 | VIad | best I could do was like http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cubic+fit+%7B0,1.6,3.2,26%7D |
| 08:46.59 | VIad | it looks to fit the graph perfectly, but if you plot numbers in it after, it produces outputs not that equal to what we expect :p |
| 08:47.18 | AcidWeb | And Silvershard Mines - 1 point per second per cart |
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| 08:54.30 | VIad | I think the decimals are rounded |
| 08:54.56 | VIad | for goldrush I get -5.5511151231257827e-015 * x^0 + 8.6666666666669467e+000 * x^1 + -1.0600000000000286e+001 * x^2 + 3.5333333333333985e+000 * x^3 |
| 08:55.21 | VIad | feeding it 0 to 3 gives me -0.0000 (something), then 1.6, then 3.2, then 26 |
| 08:56.28 | VIad | perhaps hardcoding is the best way to go in this case :p |
| 08:56.37 | AcidWeb | Yeah ;p |
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| 09:07.19 | VIad1 | and that we can recreate those, if we just have enough data and precice data |
| 09:07.34 | VIad1 | got a dc, only irc :p |
| 09:07.37 | VIad1 | only freenode |
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| 09:18.08 | AcidWeb | Art assets can be already exported from PTR legion client? |
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| 09:19.19 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 09:21.06 | AcidWeb | Can somebody share new POIIcons.tga? |
| 09:21.41 | Torhal | Simca: Found a workaround - recipes which aren't in the game have no description, so crisis averted. |
| 09:22.11 | nevcairiel | that seems like an odd check, is that what the base ui does? |
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| 09:27.10 | Torhal | nevcairiel: The base UI doesn't use the method at all. |
| 09:27.42 | Torhal | It's C_TradeSkillUI.GetAllRecipeIDs which does exactly that - even recipes which have never been in the game. |
| 09:28.14 | NodusCursorius | AcidWeb, https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxZnHxn5YexZa05KSzZkVDRTSFE |
| 09:28.27 | Torhal | I thought I'd have to build a list of IDs to ignore, but no - if it has no description, skip it. |
| 09:29.16 | NodusCursorius | AcidWeb, Contains unconverted poiicons.blp and converted poiicons.png from build 7.0.3.22018 |
| 09:29.53 | nevcairiel | Torhal: checking for no description just sounds like there might still be some in there that are more complete then others but still not available |
| 09:30.22 | AcidWeb | NodusCursorius: Thank you. |
| 09:30.26 | NodusCursorius | <3 |
| 09:30.27 | Torhal | That's all I have at the moment, though, aside from building an ignore list. There is no indication that it's not a valid recipe. |
| 09:30.57 | Torhal | https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpff99vt1mm9jci/Screenshot%202016-06-29%2020.32.02.png <-- That's what the GetRecipeInfo shows for a recipe that isn't in the game. |
| 09:32.49 | VIad1 | oh, it returns even with keys, not just parameters :d |
| 09:33.04 | Torhal | It returns a table. |
| 09:33.09 | VIad1 | thats neat |
| 09:33.16 | nevcairiel | what does the base ui use to enumerate the things? probably some crappy stateful function with filters etc? |
| 09:33.27 | Torhal | Yeah, uses filters. |
| 09:33.35 | nevcairiel | i can understand not wanting to use that :D |
| 09:33.56 | VIad1 | can't we read the info if recipe is available or not ingame using spell.dbc? |
| 09:33.56 | Torhal | And I'm assuming those methods aren't fed the invalid recipes - I didn't see any evidence of that at all. |
| 09:34.00 | Torhal | Yeah, I was happy to get away from the Filter Dance⢠|
| 09:34.26 | Torhal | Then saw it was feeding me invalid recipes and became sad. |
| 09:34.38 | Torhal | I can't read a DBC in-game, and I wanted to avoid building an ignore list. |
| 09:34.42 | VIad1 | I see |
| 09:35.26 | Torhal | So this is a weird hack, but seems to be working so far. |
| 09:35.33 | Torhal | Hopefully none of the invalid ones have a description... :) |
| 09:36.26 | Torhal | I just figured I'd warn Simca since he's apparently using that method for WoWDB Profiler. |
| 09:36.58 | NodusCursorius | Torhal, wait, what? |
| 09:37.06 | Torhal | ? |
| 09:37.16 | VIad1 | ? |
| 09:37.25 | NodusCursorius | Recipe 17579 doesn't exist in the game, only in the DBC? |
| 09:37.32 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 09:39.50 | VIad1 | I never liked recipes, they use spells on wowhead.com but some internal id for crafting :( |
| 09:39.58 | VIad1 | wanted to quickly lookup wowhead by that id :p |
| 09:41.57 | VIad1 | oh lol, I was thinking I was looking for holy protection pants, not potion |
| 09:42.03 | Torhal | It shows up just fine on WoWHead and WoWDB, but the recipe for it isn't in the game. |
| 09:42.26 | Torhal | http://beta.wowdb.com/items/13500-recipe-greater-holy-protection-potion |
| 09:42.30 | Torhal | So it, in effect, isn't in the game. |
| 09:42.41 | VIad1 | holy protection potion sounds like vanilla nonsense |
| 09:43.07 | nebula | it was |
| 09:43.17 | nebula | the greater ones were in chests |
| 09:43.21 | nebula | you could make normal and major ones |
| 09:43.23 | VIad1 | on wowhead its under "uncategorized" so internally no longer part of the professions category |
| 09:43.29 | Torhal | Yeah, was removed. |
| 09:43.51 | VIad1 | but the game really will show this if you just iterate all recipes? |
| 09:43.57 | Torhal | Though I'm seeing comments where the recipe was actually never made available |
| 09:44.00 | Torhal | Yes |
| 09:44.05 | VIad1 | cool cool |
| 09:44.13 | nebula | Torhal: yea, the greater ele pots were never craftable |
| 09:44.28 | Torhal | And there's no indication that it isn't available, so I decided to try looking at its description. That got me what I wanted. |
| 09:44.33 | Torhal | ...so far. |
| 09:44.40 | VIad1 | categoryID 134 is potions I take it? |
| 09:44.58 | Torhal | I'll probably find one that has a description of "Testing. Remove later." from 2008. |
| 09:45.00 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 09:45.05 | NodusCursorius | Torhal, what are you using to list the list? Just iteration? |
| 09:45.13 | VIad1 | filter stuff out that you cant really make |
| 09:45.27 | VIad1 | without using blizzards filters |
| 09:45.29 | Torhal | NodusCursorius: Yup |
| 09:45.32 | Torhal | local recipeIDs = _G.C_TradeSkillUI.GetAllRecipeIDs() |
| 09:45.32 | Torhal | for recipeIndex = 1, #recipeIDs do |
| 09:46.03 | Torhal | Then I check to see if the recipe is already in ARL's DB. If not, I then do: |
| 09:46.04 | Torhal | elseif _G.C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeDescription(recipeID) then |
| 09:46.08 | VIad1 | maybe Guill could add a entry to the table returned |
| 09:46.16 | VIad1 | that specifiec deprecated or something :p |
| 09:46.24 | nebula | pretty sure api stuff is frozen at this point |
| 09:46.27 | Torhal | It's too close to Legion for that, so my hack will have to do for now. |
| 09:46.28 | NodusCursorius | What does GetOnlyShowUnlearnedRecipes return? |
| 09:46.57 | Torhal | Any that are unlearned, AND not filtered. |
| 09:47.05 | Torhal | I don't want to go back to saving filter state, clearing it, iterating, then returning filter state. That's what I'd been doing for years before the new system. |
| 09:47.20 | VIad1 | shouldn't it be called "GetOnlyUnlearnedNotFilteredRecipes" :( |
| 09:47.34 | Torhal | Everyone is a critic. :D |
| 09:47.41 | VIad1 | :3 |
| 09:47.50 | VIad1 | the whole filter state is a curse |
| 09:48.01 | VIad1 | with enough addons arguing over the filters for some feature, its a mess |
| 09:48.23 | VIad1 | if you just happen to have 5 addons using your companions filters to narrow down results, at once... |
| 09:48.26 | Torhal | I'm also sure dataminers will appreciate being able to see stuff that's technically part of the game...but not actually. |
| 09:48.27 | Torhal | Though DBCs would do that anyway |
| 09:48.31 | NodusCursorius | Wouldn't combining GetOnlyShowUnlearnedRecipes and .GetOnlyShowLearnedRecipes combined provide the entire list without filters? |
| 09:48.38 | Torhal | Yeah, which is why I wanted to get rid of the filter dance. |
| 09:48.53 | NodusCursorius | Then why not use them? I'm missing something |
| 09:48.57 | Torhal | Eh, this is simple and works. |
| 09:49.05 | Torhal | I just get them all and ignore those without a description. |
| 09:49.21 | VIad1 | sounds like legion make ARL really easy to maintain :p |
| 09:49.34 | Torhal | Eh, in some ways. |
| 09:49.52 | VIad1 | unsure if we had api to provide us with all the recipes ever imaginable for a profession |
| 09:49.56 | Torhal | All it did in this case was allow me to not potentially trample of filters. |
| 09:50.02 | Torhal | We did. |
| 09:50.08 | Torhal | Just more cumbersome :) |
| 09:50.26 | Torhal | s/of filters/on filters/ |
| 09:50.27 | VIad1 | only returns recipes for your profession that is queried? |
| 09:50.34 | VIad1 | or can you make it list stuff you dont know, like mining |
| 09:50.37 | VIad1 | or alchemy |
| 09:50.43 | VIad1 | on characters that have neither |
| 09:50.43 | Torhal | No, you have to open the TradeSkillFrame. |
| 09:50.46 | VIad1 | aha, ok |
| 09:51.07 | VIad1 | I miss the old mop tradeskill links |
| 09:51.22 | VIad1 | you could fake craft hyperlinks to show a tradewindow of a person that doesnt exist, with all recipes :d |
| 09:51.27 | Torhal | I thought MoP is when they KILLED those links... |
| 09:51.28 | VIad1 | allowed for easy in-game quick lookup |
| 09:51.36 | VIad1 | maybe |
| 09:51.47 | VIad1 | think I used it in cata |
| 09:51.52 | VIad1 | starting to be long time ago |
| 09:51.58 | Torhal | It was - that's when ARL's "My alts know these things" and TradeSkillVault were basically rendered useless. |
| 09:52.18 | VIad1 | it's a shame its gone |
| 09:52.25 | VIad1 | would be nice to like just inspect all recipes on all professions |
| 09:52.26 | Torhal | There were actually forum posts where we were told it was an oversight and would be fixed. |
| 09:52.28 | Torhal | >.> |
| 09:52.29 | VIad1 | regardless if you know them |
| 09:52.39 | Torhal | You can, via Guildies. |
| 09:52.41 | VIad1 | yeah |
| 09:52.57 | Torhal | There is a profession section of the roster. |
| 09:53.26 | Torhal | Opens the tradeskill frame with that person's skills. So you find the person who has all the things, and boom. |
| 09:53.29 | VIad1 | is it still possible to inspect the level 1 alchemy in the guild and get the list of all professions? |
| 09:53.33 | VIad1 | recipes* |
| 09:54.05 | Torhal | You don't even need to do that now with the C_TradeSkillUI.GetAllRecipeIDs method |
| 09:54.11 | Torhal | Because it gives them ALL. |
| 09:54.14 | VIad1 | oh |
| 09:54.23 | VIad1 | so you can organize them by categoryID then |
| 09:54.26 | Torhal | Well, for that profession. |
| 09:54.28 | VIad1 | into professions and groups |
| 09:54.31 | VIad1 | ah right |
| 09:54.39 | VIad1 | but it works for inspected guildies? |
| 09:54.56 | Torhal | Yeah, same UI. |
| 09:54.58 | VIad1 | so you could map out all professions on you/in guild and their recipes using that api |
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| 09:55.05 | Torhal | Yup. |
| 09:55.09 | VIad1 | thats neat |
| 09:55.28 | VIad1 | and I guess you cache this info in ARL |
| 09:55.50 | nebula | like, all this info has been availble for some time |
| 09:56.09 | nebula | you can check the profs of offline guild members with the default ui |
| 09:56.09 | Torhal | https://www.dropbox.com/s/6wjddchjt98z50r/Screenshot%202016-06-30%2004.55.59.png <- VIad1 |
| 09:56.37 | Torhal | nebula: But you were limited to what they actually knew. Now you just open the profession and get all the data. |
| 09:57.12 | nebula | i'm not sure why you would want to know what they had unlearned |
| 09:57.27 | Torhal | You wouldn't unless you're datamining. |
| 09:57.30 | Torhal | Which I am. |
| 09:57.40 | nebula | i don't give a fuck what you're doing! |
| 09:57.57 | Torhal | Well fuck you, then! You wanna fight Fisker? |
| 09:57.58 | Torhal | >.> |
| 09:58.06 | nebula | throws Stanzilla at Fisker |
| 09:58.11 | Torhal | Oh, dear. |
| 09:58.13 | Stanzilla | wow fuck you |
| 09:58.24 | VIad1 | don't tell Torhal to fuck you |
| 09:58.27 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 09:58.33 | Torhal | :O |
| 09:58.37 | VIad1 | oh... |
| 10:03.48 | NodusCursorius | Torhal, where can I get your BetterDump? |
| 10:05.03 | Fisker | I always wanna fight Torhal |
| 10:06.42 | VIad1 | purl needs a brawl mode |
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| 10:08.12 | VIad | so figured, after a DC I should just close and open the connection manually, because if I change my nick manually, nickserv will boot me out because I use a ridiculus long password that is automatically authed with SASL :p |
| 10:08.29 | VIad | and I have only 30 seconds to enter it, but I need to look it up in my keystore and then my nick is locked for 30 minutes |
| 10:08.44 | VIad | with pidgin would fix its disconnect logic and re-SASL after dcs |
| 10:09.14 | VIad | (or whatever the SASL protocol is, pidgin clearly doesnt follow it after disconnects :p) |
| 10:09.43 | foxlit | I find it hilarious that you set up NickServ to shoot you in the face to protect a name like viad. |
| 10:10.07 | VIad | thats just an alias |
| 10:10.13 | VIad | the registered nick is my original Vladinator |
| 10:10.38 | VIad | but it allows me to also register aliases so I've done that :p |
| 10:11.38 | blizzard | :3 |
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| 10:15.33 | Torhal | NodusCursorius: I've actually been just using it internally for a couple of years (at least) - needs work still. |
| 10:15.55 | NodusCursorius | Everything always needs work for everyone. |
| 10:16.09 | NodusCursorius | Stances respected all the same. |
| 10:20.51 | Semlar | no torhal! it's for external use only! |
| 10:24.06 | Torhal | uses Semlar topically. |
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| 10:24.22 | Semlar | but i'm subtropical |
| 10:25.06 | nevcairiel | you're offtopical |
| 10:26.46 | Semlar | i can't help it |
| 10:27.02 | Semlar | it is my nature |
| 10:27.56 | NodusCursorius | GetCurrentLevelSpells is a lot of fun. Good thinking blizzard. |
| 10:47.53 | blizzard | you're welcome, NodusCursorius |
| 10:48.03 | NodusCursorius | heh |
| 10:48.46 | VIad | btw you can link any type of hyperlink to bnet friends |
| 10:48.54 | VIad | at least you could a year ago :p |
| 10:49.13 | VIad | the levelup link with a negative level made you crash I remember |
| 10:49.16 | VIad | that was fun stuff |
| 10:51.35 | Miiru | my cat tries to fit into a package that has a height of 5cm lol |
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| 10:54.57 | NodusCursorius | VIad, interesting behaviour |
| 11:02.44 | VIad | it was in game since cata (when it was new), but then took like two years to get fixed :p |
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| 11:34.12 | karl_w_w | I remember a few short years ago when there were basically no weeb games on steam, now look at it |
| 11:34.16 | karl_w_w | what a time to be alive |
| 11:37.07 | VIad | karl_w_w: what are weeb games? |
| 11:37.17 | VIad | I've heard weabo once |
| 11:40.41 | karl_w_w | anime bullshit |
| 11:40.56 | karl_w_w | http://store.steampowered.com/app/351640 is the example that just appeared in my discovery queue |
| 11:42.09 | karl_w_w | which I'm apparently installing now because the reviews are so good |
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| 11:44.11 | VIad | haven't clicked |
| 11:44.19 | VIad | is it that dating game where all the girls are named after tanks? |
| 11:44.41 | VIad | or ships or what not |
| 11:44.44 | karl_w_w | no |
| 11:45.21 | nevcairiel | that would be http://store.steampowered.com/app/379980/ |
| 11:45.22 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 11:47.57 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 11:48.24 | VIad | there you go |
| 11:50.29 | VIad | I think the girls are the boats wasn't a dating sim |
| 11:50.34 | VIad | girls that are boats* |
| 11:51.09 | VIad | also, feminists shouldn't look at the japanese market and what it has to offer :p |
| 11:51.11 | nevcairiel | anthropomorphized things as anime girls is not exactly a new thing |
| 11:51.36 | karl_w_w | I'http://i.imgur.com/ir4P2Nb.png |
| 11:51.39 | VIad | cats, dogs, sure, but tanks, ships? :o |
| 11:51.49 | karl_w_w | I've already sold 3 of these bastards http://i.imgur.com/ir4P2Nb.png |
| 11:51.58 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w is enjoying the little things |
| 11:52.10 | karl_w_w | 7 times! |
| 11:52.39 | Semlar | i identify as an aircraft carrier |
| 11:52.54 | Stanzilla | *sexually |
| 11:53.01 | Semlar | don't make this weird |
| 11:53.15 | Stanzilla | it was already weird when someone brought up feminists |
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| 11:53.48 | VIad | was some article I came over about objectifying women and the patriarchy |
| 11:54.20 | Semlar | personifying a tank as a japanese schoolgirl is the exact opposite of objectifying women |
| 11:54.35 | nevcairiel | its womanizing objects |
| 11:54.38 | Semlar | exactly |
| 11:54.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.36 | Kalroth | i like http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/379980/ss_9b8c0592838f46a9ad027258ad62f40202ce1d2b.600x338.jpg?t=1466416493 |
| 11:55.49 | NodusCursorius | I sexually identify as an objectified Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus |
| 11:56.11 | Kalroth | tankgender |
| 11:56.27 | nevcairiel | NodusCursorius: you are huge and useless? |
| 11:56.56 | NodusCursorius | I'm annoyed that you twisted that into something negative and aroused that you were familiar enough with the tank to do so. |
| 11:56.56 | foxlit | the tank thing seems irrelevant |
| 11:57.04 | foxlit | This might as well be That Dating Sim Game #62. |
| 11:57.28 | Semlar | if anything it's a tanking sim |
| 11:57.34 | VIad | think I once saw a screencap of a guy and a carp, so they got dating sims about everything probably. |
| 11:57.36 | nevcairiel | i watched some documentaries about all those crazy mega projects that were built during WW2 recently |
| 11:57.42 | nevcairiel | maus was one of them :p |
| 11:57.42 | NodusCursorius | It's a market simulator, Semlar? |
| 11:57.56 | NodusCursorius | nevcairiel, oh. Fantastic then. Good on you |
| 11:58.28 | Semlar | not on the history channel though, they couldn't make room for it between storage wars and ancient aliens |
| 11:58.35 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:59.02 | VIad | whats up with history channel not making documentaries anymore? |
| 11:59.26 | Semlar | they realized that doesn't make them money |
| 11:59.34 | VIad | I appreciate vikings, it's a nice scifi show, but still, feels like they lack some content you'd expect. |
| 11:59.41 | Semlar | scifi |
| 11:59.58 | VIad | it's definetly not a documentary |
| 11:59.59 | Semlar | what are they vikings in space? |
| 12:00.16 | Semlar | i would probably watch that |
| 12:00.17 | VIad | it's based on some facts but a lot of dramatization since it's a show |
| 12:00.21 | VIad | space vikings |
| 12:00.31 | nevcairiel | this was from national geopgraphic in the UK |
| 12:00.44 | nevcairiel | -p |
| 12:00.50 | foxlit | I feel like I've reached the saturation point for WW2 content. |
| 12:01.27 | VIad | wonder if WW2 will still be a topic in 50 years |
| 12:01.40 | Semlar | nah everyone will be dead by then |
| 12:01.54 | foxlit | http://store.steampowered.com/app/257510/ << speaking of games, you should pick up Talos Principle and its Gehenna DLC. |
| 12:01.59 | VIad | radiation or because you released your map addon for legion? |
| 12:02.06 | Semlar | world war 3 |
| 12:02.24 | VIad | the year is 2023, Semlar hasn't released his map addon still, tensions are high |
| 12:02.31 | foxlit | It features such exciting things as arguing with other AI robots about whether cats are real or not. |
| 12:02.55 | Semlar | you should just ask torhal |
| 12:04.15 | VIad | jaidens twitter will explode with philosophy quotes |
| 12:04.54 | foxlit | also it has this: http://pastebin.com/BRsmmn3x |
| 12:05.19 | Semlar | does it have any japanese schoolgirls |
| 12:06.23 | foxlit | and this: http://pastebin.com/5MCKBcWn |
| 12:07.48 | foxlit | no, Semlar, but japanese schoolgirls have also got it. |
| 12:08.11 | Semlar | i hope it's not contagious |
| 12:13.36 | foxlit | dog is fine? |
| 12:15.16 | VIad | dawg is fine |
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| 13:34.38 | VIad | I havent done this before, but it would be nice if there was a table view over data, that you could sort on the columns |
| 13:34.57 | VIad | atm thinking about the world quests - it's really annoying to have to go to every zone and look up "what can I do today?" |
| 13:35.10 | Tentacled | Meh. C_TradeSkillUI.GetAllRecipeIDs no longer returns all recipes :/ |
| 13:35.30 | Tentacled | I wish that would last. |
| 13:35.46 | VIad | I'd like to draw all the world quests available in a table, and have columns for the interesting information, like what faction the quest covers, reward gold, item, time left, etc. |
| 13:36.59 | VIad | logically, how would one go about making a sortable table in lua really? |
| 13:37.21 | VIad | I guess it would involve some smartly made sort function to be applied to a table structure with entries |
| 13:37.42 | Tentacled | Make a new table storing the main table entries, sorted by a criterion. |
| 13:37.44 | VIad | since user can click a column to sort asc/desc/off, hmm |
| 13:37.48 | foxlit | addons solving that problem already exist. |
| 13:37.58 | VIad | acetable? |
| 13:38.10 | Tentacled | Or, if you just want to resort the table you have, then table.sort(T,function(a,b) return a.field<b.field end) |
| 13:39.34 | foxlit | http://legacy.curseforge.com/media/images/89/958/WQL1.png |
| 13:40.21 | VIad | thats nice |
| 13:40.30 | VIad | I was thinking making something like this |
| 13:41.18 | VIad | but also filtering options, like stuff that are too little gold, or not relevent to the world quest bonus, or rewards too low ilvl gear, etc. |
| 13:41.29 | VIad | what addon is that? |
| 13:41.54 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/world-quests-list/ |
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| 13:47.18 | VIad | is it possible to obtain the toc version directly from the cdn? |
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| 14:04.21 | VIad | found it http://us.patch.battle.net/wow/versions |
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| 14:26.04 | foxlit | none of those things are toc versions, though. |
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| 15:06.21 | NodusCursorius | VIad, he's right. The interface toc version is not quite the same as the client version. |
| 15:11.57 | Tentacled | You get both in GetBuildInfo() but is that what you're looking for..? |
| 15:18.11 | VIad | I have never experienced a situation where the version digis are not the same as toc |
| 15:18.18 | VIad | its for use outside of the game |
| 15:18.59 | VIad | 6.2.4.12345 = 60200, 6.1.1.12345 = 60100, 6.0.2.12345 = 60000 |
| 15:19.26 | foxlit | 5.0.5.16048 = 50001 |
| 15:20.12 | VIad | luckily for me as long the expansion toc is the right one the rest is somewhat okay |
| 15:20.22 | VIad | for my use :p |
| 15:20.47 | VIad | assuming blizz will continue the same pattern as in wod |
| 15:21.33 | NodusCursorius | He's right for the majority of blizzard's history with patching and toc versions. |
| 15:21.58 | Tentacled | Something isn't right with item data caching. /run local count=0 for i=1,10000 do local a={GetItemInfo(i)} if a[1] then count=count+1 end end print(count) -- prints 2000, then a second later it prints 1998, or 1890, or 2098... |
| 15:22.09 | Tentacled | Is there a limit on 2000 items held in cache now..? |
| 15:23.48 | NodusCursorius | No instance of it breaking in WoD, only one instance in MoP (for one month), no instance of it breaking in Cata, nor in Wrath, and only once in TBC (before they stopped changing TOC versions for every sub-patch) |
| 15:24.02 | NodusCursorius | It's not a perfect solution, but it is a good rule of thumb. Why CDN only, VIad? |
| 15:24.25 | nevcairiel | toc versions used to be fun in classic |
| 15:24.27 | VIad | its on a webserver and I dont want to make some elaborate way to get toc, like casc and such |
| 15:24.49 | foxlit | parse https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/builds |
| 15:25.24 | NodusCursorius | VIad, does it need to be out-of-client? |
| 15:25.41 | nevcairiel | web servers usually dont run a game client |
| 15:25.43 | foxlit | Or just update your hardcoded value every ~6 months. |
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| 15:26.18 | Arrow|work | Torhal: can you do me a favor and next time you see unkle on irc tell him im trying to get a hold of him |
| 15:27.04 | VIad | might as well just at least map the first digit in version to toc digits :p |
| 15:27.14 | VIad | to at least keep it expansion relevant |
| 15:27.46 | NodusCursorius | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source/live/FrameXML/FrameXML.toc |
| 15:27.55 | NodusCursorius | See that? That link will never change, and is only text-based. |
| 15:34.46 | Tentacled | Meh, why does C_TradeSkillUI.GetTradeSkillLine() only work on the current line, instead of by ID..? :/ |
| 15:34.56 | VIad | http://addon.bool.no |
| 15:35.24 | VIad | I use both a constant I manually update, but also use the cdn to extract the version, going to use that for a while and see how that goes |
| 15:36.07 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:40.07 | Simca | Tentacled: backwards compatibility |
| 15:40.40 | Simca | for example, recipe discoveries are not reported or exposed via any specific API or events |
| 15:41.01 | Simca | so you watch system messages and then check the current line to make it work |
| 15:41.34 | Simca | basically they need that function to remain so they can cover for mistakes in the past or APIs they never developed but should have |
| 15:43.42 | Tentacled | I wish there was another function that WOULD return recipe data by ID... |
| 15:44.45 | Simca | wat |
| 15:44.51 | Simca | there are a bunch of functions like that |
| 15:45.42 | NodusCursorius | VIad, I fired this out for you: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxZnHxn5YexZY3hUaGhMVTVZcXM |
| 15:46.31 | VIad | thanks NodusCursorius :p |
| 15:46.31 | NodusCursorius | Run toc.bat - done. It will print the version on the screen and save it to toc_version.txt |
| 15:47.07 | Simca | Tentacled: C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeCooldown, C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeDescription, C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeInfo, C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeLink, C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeItemLink, C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeTools |
| 15:47.10 | Simca | all of that uses ID |
| 15:47.31 | Simca | the skillline function is the only function that doesn't use ID basically |
| 15:48.35 | NodusCursorius | VIad, code for the .bat here: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/64c9f2a31f9d7b0f06fa2a913fd62498 and the curl + SSL from here: http://winampplugins.co.uk/curl/ |
| 15:48.50 | VIad | I already got it from the first link mate |
| 15:49.05 | NodusCursorius | More of an open-source thing, in case you wanted to read before execution. |
| 15:49.23 | NodusCursorius | Should be simple. Let me know if you have questions. |
| 15:49.52 | VIad | I know I look that stupid. but thank you. |
| 15:50.12 | Simca | if by chance anyone completes one of the following quests on beta, http://www.curseforge.com/paste/f33cb6cd, I would greatly appreciate knowing how much reputation you got |
| 15:50.27 | Simca | (note, completion must have occurred since last build) |
| 15:50.48 | VIad | I logged in yesterday and got -5840 something rep with my guild that I left a while ago :d |
| 15:50.59 | VIad | I guess thats just the default behavior if you dont join back within a month or somethinbg |
| 15:51.05 | Simca | lol |
| 15:51.08 | Simca | yeah |
| 15:51.16 | Simca | i've never actually witnessed it before though |
| 15:51.21 | VIad | neither had I |
| 15:51.50 | Simca | I wonder if you used wowhead_looter or wowdbprofiler and did another action where reptuation was expected at the same time as that happened |
| 15:52.07 | Simca | if it would create a bad set of data marking something as giving negative guild rep |
| 15:52.48 | Tentacled | Simca: bad wording on my part. I need tradeskill line info, like ranks and modifiers, for a recipe. Any way I can get that without TradeSkillLine? |
| 15:56.00 | Simca | hmm |
| 15:56.23 | Simca | i've never tried to get those values for actual IDs before, i'd have to play around with the other functions |
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| 17:05.25 | TheDanW | Torhal: there's certain legacy recipes that are possible to be learned by an older character but are not able to be acquired any longer, those are the recipes you're seeing via GetAllRecipeIDs |
| 17:05.40 | TheDanW | they would show up in the default UI if you had a character with those recipes |
| 17:07.13 | Ressy | There are some that pop up that were never released per wowhead. |
| 17:07.50 | Tentacled | Huh, when I'm calling GetAllRecipeIDs I'm only seeing the ones that were in the window... No way to just grab them WITHOUT opening the tradeskill frame..? |
| 17:10.02 | TheDanW | Ressy: they may have been deprecated internally before ever released publically |
| 17:10.20 | Ressy | mmhmm. |
| 17:10.30 | Ressy | they're not in the UI.. |
| 17:10.36 | Ressy | But, they're still returned via the API. |
| 17:10.43 | TheDanW | Tentacled: you have to tell the tradeskill system which tradeskill you want to view, that in turns fires the event that opens the UI, you could unregister that event |
| 17:13.17 | AcidWeb | VIad: I checked that IoC guid thingy. Most of guid change every IoC but one part is static and for every gate that static part is diffrent. |
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| 17:20.43 | kd3 | ugh. it'd be just great if the hot water heater at my apartment complex would last for longer than 6 days |
| 17:20.50 | kd3 | yay for the office having a shower |
| 17:21.18 | VIad | isnt it enough to call it a water heater though? |
| 17:21.35 | VIad | or is the water heater itself, hot? :p |
| 17:21.52 | Ressy | They keep replacing it? |
| 17:21.56 | Ressy | or it keeps breaking |
| 17:22.04 | kd3 | it broke again |
| 17:22.18 | kd3 | it was out tue-fri last week, just broke again some time between last night and this morning |
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| 17:23.03 | Miiru | ef40operation |
| 17:23.07 | Miiru | woops :D |
| 17:23.16 | Miiru | wrong channel :p |
| 17:24.09 | VIad | damn it Miiru, stop linking shock sites |
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| 17:27.19 | Miiru | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naegleria_fowleri |
| 17:27.20 | Miiru | ! |
| 17:33.33 | Tentacled | TheDanW: I just wish it worked without windows. Wishful thinking :) However, the item cache thing is worrying me more than that. GetItemInfo() now stores only 2000 entries, all older requests get discarded... Do you think it'll stay like that? :/ |
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| 17:42.55 | Tentacled | Aaand I was 7 minutes too hasty with my question. :> |
| 17:43.29 | Tentacled | Guill, do you perhaps know if the 2000 items limit on GetItemInfo() caching is going to stay..? It's a nightmare for item stat addons :/ |
| 17:44.10 | TheDanW | Tentacled: don't expect it to change, it's a nightmare for us too, but it saves a lot of memory |
| 17:44.29 | Tentacled | Damn. :/ |
| 17:50.41 | kd3 | 'a lot of memory' compared to the gigs of textures/models/etc? |
| 17:51.06 | kd3 | >.> |
| 17:51.22 | TheDanW | it all adds up, there's been a lot of work to optimize those too |
| 17:51.49 | Guill | kd3: Remember that the game still has to fit in 2GB of memory on 32-bit clients. We definitely don't keep multiple gigs of textures/models loaded in memory at a time :P |
| 17:51.51 | Tentacled | It DID make me wonder how much memory a single item uses. But indeed the built-in UI never needs to store item data, aside from several at a time to populate comparison tooltips. |
| 17:52.25 | Tentacled | So even the 2000 is being generous for AH freaks. |
| 17:52.46 | Guill | Just be happy that the limit is 2000 instead of ~300 |
| 17:52.59 | Tentacled | That's what I'm saying. |
| 17:53.19 | TheDanW | there's now GetItemInfoInstant() that can return some data without the 2k limit |
| 17:54.21 | Miiru | vlad, train simulator is on sale :p |
| 17:57.03 | Tentacled | TheDanW: And without an async delay, too, which is nice, but it only gives the item type and texture, not the link nor name, but I guess we'll work with what we have. |
| 17:58.36 | Tentacled | Speaking of tooltips; with enough GII calls the cache slowly gets corrupted and starts returning garbage? Like, totally wrong item names for IDs... |
| 17:58.57 | Tentacled | s/; with/are you guys aware that with/ |
| 17:59.33 | TheDanW | Tentacled: if you can get a repro with a minimal code sample post it on the wowi legion bugs forum and one of us will take a look |
| 17:59.45 | TheDanW | we haven't seen that internally |
| 18:00.53 | VIad | Miiru: with all the DLC, train simulator costs only $2600 |
| 18:02.17 | Tentacled | It'll be hard to repro specifically, as it's pretty random, but when it does, suddenly pretty much ALL item tooltips are crazy wrong. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745755048#1 is proof, but I'll try to get a repro. |
| 18:03.28 | TheDanW | Tentacled: yeah, that's pretty ungood :( |
| 18:06.20 | Tentacled | Huh. How many GII requests does the cache store..? ALL of them? |
| 18:06.33 | Tentacled | s/store/queue/ |
| 18:07.09 | Tentacled | (I just ran a 1,10000 loop and I'm now unable to get ANY item tooltip filled) |
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| 19:09.59 | Torhal | TheDanW: Aye, but those should have a description, no? |
| 19:11.03 | Torhal | Arrow|work: Aye |
| 19:15.33 | TheDanW | Torhal: i can't guarantee that :( |
| 19:16.26 | Torhal | TheDanW: Then I might have to build an ID ignore list. Crossing my fingers, knocking on wood, etc... :D |
| 19:16.39 | Torhal | Because I do care about retired recipes. I don't care about ones that never made it in. |
| 19:17.53 | TheDanW | Torhal: give me an example recipeID |
| 19:19.26 | Torhal | TheDanW: 4942 |
| 19:21.23 | Fisker | It's time Torhal |
| 19:22.13 | TheDanW | Torhal: thanks, i'll add a new field on the return of GetRecipeInfo that's "hiddenUnlessLearned" which is true if the default UI will hide it unless the character has it learned, false if it's always shown |
| 19:22.26 | Torhal | Time for what, Fisker? |
| 19:23.03 | Fisker | Unspeakable evil |
| 19:23.31 | Torhal | TheDanW: So I can use that to detect retired recipes, and use the description == nil check for invalid recipes? |
| 19:23.31 | Simca | this conversation sounds like why the game crashes every time I try to queue thousands of GetItemInfo requests |
| 19:23.59 | Torhal | o.O |
| 19:24.25 | Simca | (the previous conversation about the 2000 GetItemInfo limitation) |
| 19:24.44 | Fisker | Hi Simca |
| 19:24.56 | Torhal | Oh, I've only just woken up and was responding to pings before reading any type of scrollback. |
| 19:25.33 | TheDanW | Torhal: i'd recommend against using the description |
| 19:27.26 | Torhal | TheDanW: So ID list it is, unless that becomes too unwieldy. Then I'll go back to saving/clearing/restoring filter state. :/ |
| 19:27.57 | TheDanW | both retired and invalid recipes will be marked hiddenUnlessLearned |
| 19:29.24 | Simca | i'll try to replicate the crashes i'm experiencing and post them somewhere; i haven't bothered before now because it's unlikely any real user would ever run into them |
| 19:29.52 | Simca | i am just mean to servers and sometimes the client is mean back |
| 19:30.25 | Guill | Simca: Please do! Even if it's not something that the average user would be, it's still a concern. |
| 19:30.37 | Guill | And we don't want you guys to have to work around stuff like that in some hacky way |
| 19:31.11 | Simca | I think one of the issues is that one ItemID has an unparseable description text that crashes the client |
| 19:31.24 | Simca | so every time I scan that item, it crashes |
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| 19:35.57 | Torhal | TheDanW: Ok, so I'll still need to build an ignore list or do something since I do care about retired recipes but don't care about invalid recipes. |
| 19:36.05 | Ressy | Torhal.. I can handle the list. |
| 19:36.06 | Torhal | Still, good add :) |
| 19:36.08 | Ressy | Its not a problem. |
| 19:36.16 | Ressy | Anything that bombs a dump is added to it. |
| 19:36.18 | Ressy | shrugs |
| 19:36.56 | Torhal | True. |
| 19:37.09 | Ressy | You add the functionality, and show me where to put it, and I'll keep it up to date. |
| 19:37.22 | Ressy | And you can use that for wowdb. :P |
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| 19:40.27 | Torhal | Ressy: That's Simca's concern for the past two years, at least. |
| 20:08.31 | Simca | the wowdbprofiler code is very simple in legion for recipes; it is nice |
| 20:10.02 | znf | Wasn't there an in-game beta feedback/bug report? |
| 20:10.27 | znf | I swear I saw it in MoP beta |
| 20:11.52 | kd3 | it's been rolled into the help ui now |
| 20:12.04 | kd3 | esc->help->bug report/suggestions |
| 20:12.49 | kd3 | I liked the older tool that popped up for each quest, or you could shift-click on npcs/items/objects/etc to pop up the bug reporting ui |
| 20:15.27 | znf | It's funny how most of the beta realm(s) people stagnate on the Obsidium (what's it called?) quest because Tailors aren't able to get their recipe :D |
| 20:15.31 | Guill | I don't think that one has been in since LK |
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| 20:18.22 | znf | Oh. |
| 20:18.37 | znf | Wait, then how do I know about it and recall using it? I haven't played wotlk beta O.o |
| 20:19.03 | Arrow|work | its been in every beta |
| 20:21.22 | znf | it was more accesible some betas ago, if I recall corectly |
| 20:21.37 | znf | Now you have to do what kd3 said. Somehow that wasn't obvious to me |
| 20:24.31 | Ketho | is it this one or something else? I didn't click on the bug report button that pops up for quests though https://i.imgur.com/KNElinU.jpg |
| 20:25.57 | kd3 | That's the old, wotlk-era tool |
| 20:27.06 | znf | I hope they fix the DPS potions for Live |
| 20:27.17 | znf | these don't really seem to proc at all in it's current state |
| 20:28.03 | Semlar | i just shift+click on guill to file a bug report |
| 20:29.49 | relaxok | should we go back the days of no consumable limit per fight? |
| 20:32.52 | znf | oh, that was fun :D |
| 20:35.04 | relaxok | the current status is kind of weird |
| 20:36.17 | znf | relaxok, something something unfair advantage for those who know you can pre-pot? |
| 20:36.41 | nevcairiel | It's not exactly secret magic to pre pot |
| 20:37.32 | nebula | i have always thought they should disable the cd if you go into combat if it's counting down like you used it in combat |
| 20:38.51 | foxlit | or strip temp buffs upon entering boss combat. |
| 20:39.11 | znf | I've got a fix for that |
| 20:39.16 | znf | Leave DPS potions as they are now on beta |
| 20:39.20 | znf | That way nobody will actually use them |
| 20:39.27 | nebula | false |
| 20:40.17 | znf | I've just did a boss now, used 2 potions, 10 hits in total, 25k damage :D |
| 20:40.53 | nebula | if it gives any improvement what so ever, people will still use them |
| 20:41.32 | kd3 | ugh. just had a horrible memory of farming for an hour before raid each night just to get ~8 different potions/elixirs |
| 20:41.42 | Semlar | soul shards? |
| 20:42.01 | Semlar | the only potion i need is noggenfogger |
| 20:43.05 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1467319382.png |
| 20:44.11 | relaxok | it just seems like you should be able to use whatever consumables you want with a reasonable cooldown |
| 20:44.36 | relaxok | kd3: i have good memories of that =D |
| 20:44.50 | relaxok | kd3: herbing dreamfoil like mad in azshara before being summoned, so guildie could make fire protection pots |
| 20:47.00 | nevcairiel | Farming all day every day to raid in the evening with 6 different consumables was not fun :p |
| 20:48.02 | nevcairiel | And they once commented about prepotting with the result that they are fine with it |
| 20:48.53 | relaxok | maybe it was over the top, but a LITTLE prep wouldn't kill anyone |
| 20:49.33 | nevcairiel | They should make potion recipes a bit more diverse and interesting |
| 20:49.59 | nevcairiel | Makes alchemy have more depth and gives you more depth as you need to gather different things |
| 20:51.04 | nevcairiel | All other professions get diverse materials in their recipes in legion. Alchemy? Flowers. |
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| 20:56.41 | znf | I liked it better when it was fish |
| 20:56.52 | Ssateneth | Anyone know of a calculator, be in on the web or ingame addon, that will show what an item's stats will be when scaled to a certain ilvl? The endgame is to min-max equipment in lower level battlegrounds and since low level items scale up, some really well itemized pieces can be super favorable when scaled up. |
| 20:58.04 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure it's not possible to do in-game |
| 20:58.07 | Ssateneth | Wowhead does some stat scaling but not specific |
| 20:58.31 | Simca | I know wowdb can do it on the backend easily now |
| 20:58.35 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1467320312.png |
| 20:58.37 | Simca | but I don't know if any of that is exposed to the user |
| 20:58.58 | Ssateneth | Semlar surely theres a formula you can apply to project the stats to be reasonably close to the actual scaled stats |
| 20:59.11 | Simca | it is not simple |
| 20:59.16 | Ssateneth | But no there is no existing API to do what I want |
| 20:59.21 | Ssateneth | Would have to hardcode some shenanigans |
| 20:59.26 | Simca | the formula is piecewise and in like 10 pieces |
| 20:59.32 | Simca | and pulls from several different sources |
| 20:59.57 | Semlar | i mean i guess technically you could probably make something that does the same thing the website does, but i meant you can't just scale the tooltip to a specific level |
| 21:00.23 | Simca | well you can scale the tooltip to any playerlevel |
| 21:00.25 | Semlar | you can do it with certain items, but i don't think you can do it to arbitrary ones |
| 21:00.30 | Simca | but not any itemlevel |
| 21:01.11 | Ssateneth | browsing wowdb for shenanigans |
| 21:01.12 | Semlar | no, i was trying to make an addon that un-scales enchant tooltips on the auction house for my bank alt and decided it wasn't possible |
| 21:01.39 | Simca | idk about enchants |
| 21:01.42 | Simca | those are not stats |
| 21:01.53 | Semlar | they get scaled to your level anyway |
| 21:02.04 | Simca | but you can attach a bonusID for TBC items to an item that isn't supposed to have it |
| 21:02.15 | Simca | and embed a target playerlevel |
| 21:02.17 | Semlar | that only works for items that scale with your level |
| 21:02.23 | Simca | no, it would work for anything. |
| 21:02.36 | Simca | but only as far as TBC |
| 21:02.58 | Simca | let me test this theory |
| 21:03.03 | Semlar | you can scale things like timewarped gear and heirlooms but not just random items |
| 21:03.41 | Semlar | it just ignores the item level entry in the item link |
| 21:03.45 | Simca | that's what i'm saying though is that the mechanism by which timewarped gear is scaled is exposed to the user in the item link, and in theory you should be able to copy that data into an item link for a different item |
| 21:03.54 | Simca | blizzard doesn't validate bonusIDs |
| 21:03.59 | Simca | in itemlinks |
| 21:04.21 | Semlar | it forces the item tooltip to be scaled to the player's level |
| 21:04.43 | Simca | the bonusID must be present for it to have context for the scaling - the bonusID provides a reference to a mathematical curve to convert from playerlevel to itemlevel |
| 21:05.11 | Semlar | are you talking about a separate field than the one that actually represents the player level? |
| 21:05.22 | Simca | yes, you'd need to adjust 3 separate itemlink fields |
| 21:05.34 | Simca | adjusting any one field alone would do nothing |
| 21:06.00 | Semlar | well then maybe it's possible, i only changed the level |
| 21:09.25 | Simca | using the terms at https://wow.gamepedia.com/ItemString - you'd need to set bonusID1 to 615, upgradeTypeID to 512, and then upgradeValue to the target playerlevel |
| 21:10.12 | Simca | linkLevel isn't relevant any longer I don't think, but you could set that to something if you wanted |
| 21:11.08 | znf | happy b-day to me, I guess https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wAVpSqgG/20160701_000745_HDR.jpg |
| 21:11.10 | znf | *cheers* |
| 21:11.48 | Simca | happy birthday znf |
| 21:11.52 | Semlar | that does work |
| 21:12.55 | Simca | excellent |
| 21:13.19 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/OpM1UcG.jpg |
| 21:13.42 | Semlar | okay so you just trick it into thinking it's a timewarped item |
| 21:13.47 | Simca | yeah |
| 21:14.04 | Simca | Ssateneth: ^ |
| 21:14.25 | znf | root for Semlar! |
| 21:14.30 | Semlar | simca |
| 21:14.49 | Simca | interesting, it is using linklevel in your example |
| 21:14.54 | Simca | I didn't think that worked |
| 21:15.13 | Semlar | well i used linklevel |
| 21:15.21 | Simca | right |
| 21:15.35 | Semlar | nothing was called upgradeValue in the link |
| 21:15.47 | Semlar | i blame whoever edited this page |
| 21:15.55 | Simca | *cough* |
| 21:16.01 | Simca | I just fixed that |
| 21:16.07 | Semlar | uh huh |
| 21:16.09 | Simca | if you tack a :69 on the end of your sethyperlink command does it change anything? |
| 21:16.49 | Simca | it must revert to using linklevel if upgradeValue is not present |
| 21:16.58 | Semlar | it doesn't seem to, but if i remove the linkLevel it still works |
| 21:17.04 | Simca | gotcha |
| 21:17.42 | Simca | linkLevel is always the current level of the linking player (well unless you force it) whereas upgradeValue is a static field attached to the item, so if you get a staff at level 69 like that, it would always be level 69 |
| 21:18.29 | Semlar | probably safest to just set both of them |
| 21:19.28 | Semlar | is item level static for each player level? |
| 21:19.45 | Semlar | nevermind don't answer that |
| 21:19.47 | p3lim | Interesting... |
| 21:19.48 | p3lim | http://6h2.xyz/twink_trjn_adolf-will-rise_gxcz_heroin-playtime_d0wnload |
| 21:20.28 | Semlar | i'm not clicking that |
| 21:20.48 | p3lim | :p |
| 21:22.35 | Semlar | alright if i scale my level 100 staff to level 100 it gets set to ilevel 660 |
| 21:22.46 | nebula | "Far too often in this day and age URLs describe accurately to the user their destination. Our mission at URLify is to change that fact. We take simple, ordinary URLs, and we make them great. Very great." lol |
| 21:22.57 | Semlar | my staff is ilevel 680 |
| 21:23.18 | Ssateneth | Semlar so to test, setting to 49 will result in ilvl of 54? |
| 21:23.44 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:26.42 | Ssateneth | Alright.. Now try it for item ID 88293 with player level 49 :3 |
| 21:26.42 | Ssateneth | I shall compare things |
| 21:26.42 | Ssateneth | and then try to bribe you for addon shenanigans |
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| 21:33.44 | Ssateneth | tahst sexy. matches ingame :) |
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| 23:14.31 | karl_w_w | http://vrtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?3280-Google-Searches-For-VR-Porn-Increase-10-000-In-Just-20-Months |
| 23:15.26 | nevcairiel | norwegians are into vr porn |
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| 23:27.41 | Semlar | Simca: you actually can make an enchanting vellum timewarped, but it doesn't appear to do anything |
| 23:28.04 | Simca | figures |
| 23:28.26 | Semlar | well, it removes the "requires level 100" from its tooltip and adds "timewarped" to it but doesn't scale the stats |
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| 23:28.37 | Simca | the scaling is done differently for those |
| 23:29.12 | znf | Semlar, http://i.imgur.com/vzkNPmr.png are those bleeps interactionable, api wise? |
| 23:29.43 | Semlar | yeah |
| 23:29.56 | Semlar | they're pois or something |
| 23:30.08 | znf | can you change the background on them? |
| 23:30.31 | Semlar | it's probably one texture but maybe not |
| 23:30.39 | Semlar | either way you could replace the texture with something |
| 23:30.39 | znf | like, I want something that is able to change the background / add a backdrop based on the faction they are for |
| 23:31.23 | znf | or, I wonder if you can change colors on them based on the reward type (artifact power, gold, resources, gear) |
| 23:31.41 | Semlar | you can definitely change the color with SetVertexColor |
| 23:31.51 | foxlit | they already highlight if they match the currently-selected emissary quest. |
| 23:31.59 | Semlar | it wouldn't work very well with brown though |
| 23:32.26 | Semlar | might be better to use that highlight ring or something and color that |
| 23:32.39 | znf | foxlit, I haven't noticed that |
| 23:32.48 | znf | but right now, for example, I'm looking for quests that award artifact power |
| 23:32.56 | znf | and every time I have to look trough all of then |
| 23:33.20 | nevcairiel | they already have a highlight ring thats used for the emissary highlight, could hijack that for other kinds of highlighting |
| 23:33.40 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/world-quests-list/ |
| 23:33.49 | nevcairiel | that UI solution is so ugly foxlit |
| 23:33.50 | znf | I really haven't noticed that, and all I have left now is Kirin Tor and no quest to check |
| 23:34.02 | znf | what nev said |
| 23:34.56 | foxlit | I'm sure there's an appropriately pretty version as well. |
| 23:34.58 | znf | I'm sure foxlit can come up with something better |
| 23:35.24 | nevcairiel | i could see adding small icons to the quest marker containing a hint to the type of reward |
| 23:35.35 | nevcairiel | small gold coins, small gear icon, small icon for AP |
| 23:35.36 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 23:36.07 | foxlit | http://i.imgur.com/i37g5xf.png |
| 23:36.09 | nevcairiel | easier to learn then differently colored rings |
| 23:36.28 | foxlit | http://i.imgur.com/bmVcDKB.png |
| 23:36.49 | znf | which addon is that? |
| 23:36.51 | nevcairiel | the first might work with some extra tuning, the second is just ugly |
| 23:37.03 | foxlit | http://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/world-quest-tracker |
| 23:37.39 | znf | that ribbon is ugly, indeed |
| 23:37.58 | znf | oh, btw, I just noticed today |
| 23:38.01 | znf | if you're on a world quest that expires |
| 23:38.17 | znf | I mean, it's in progress, but it ends soon, you get 15 minutes allowance to do it |
| 23:38.22 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 23:38.31 | nevcairiel | it also removes it from the world map like 15 minutes before expiry, i think |
| 23:38.33 | znf | it's nice |
| 23:38.39 | nevcairiel | you can still get it when you go there though |
| 23:39.17 | znf | though I hope it doesn't affect the "re-rolling" of the quest |
| 23:39.36 | znf | that naga/murloc world quest in Azsuna, for example, the pvp one |
| 23:39.52 | znf | I've seen it expire in "2 minutes" then suddenly 30 minutes later it appeared again |
| 23:40.18 | nevcairiel | there really isnt all that many pvp quests, so they repeat more often |
| 23:40.53 | znf | also I'm glad they added a pve objective to pvp quests |
| 23:41.03 | znf | or, rather, a way to do it without engaging in actual pvp |
| 23:41.22 | foxlit | '"file" can't be opened for some reason." << thanks, error message. |
| 23:41.25 | nevcairiel | they always had that, otherwise it would be impossible if your server is dead or noone bothers |
| 23:41.55 | nevcairiel | although if you're solo there, a single person can already fuck up your plans when you're like fighting the boss =p |
| 23:42.23 | znf | back there, I always go murloc :D |
| 23:42.32 | znf | you can kill the mini-bosses in a few seconds |
| 23:42.41 | znf | the murloc does like 2mil / hit |
| 23:42.45 | znf | to the bosses |
| 23:43.34 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/m2HEGdD.png - like I'm going to bother finding a group for a green item |
| 23:44.31 | znf | oh, btw foxlit |
| 23:44.32 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/HGSVduo.jpg |
| 23:44.41 | znf | that ring of the selected faction is not available on the flight map |
| 23:45.03 | nevcairiel | the green items a re a bug |
| 23:45.16 | nevcairiel | and yes, the ring is only on the main map |
| 23:45.39 | znf | a display bug? or the fact that it actually rewards a green item? |
| 23:45.42 | nevcairiel | but i find having them on the flight map is really only useful to pick which flight point to go to, its not like i use it to explore which quests are up |
| 23:45.48 | nevcairiel | znf: dunno |
| 23:46.21 | znf | I actually use the flightmap more often |
| 23:46.26 | znf | I use the flightmaster whistle |
| 23:46.28 | znf | open the flight map |
| 23:46.36 | znf | check around points to see where I can get AP |
| 23:48.16 | znf | I'm not familiar with the flight paths already, so I don't always associate flight point names |
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| 23:50.08 | znf | I wonder what's the point of highlighting the body of a dead boss |
| 23:50.12 | znf | When all it contains is gold |
| 23:50.55 | Torhal | It's dead and has inventory. |
| 23:50.56 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure that's the criteria. |
| 23:52.08 | znf | gold is not real inventory! |
| 23:52.20 | znf | Torhal, but that used to be just sparkles on the body |
| 23:52.21 | nevcairiel | if you can open it and loot it, it counts |
| 23:52.33 | znf | now bosses have some sort of golden highlight |
| 23:52.55 | Torhal | znf is not a real boy! |
| 23:52.56 | Torhal | >.> |
| 23:52.58 | nevcairiel | that magni comic was pretty good, especially the motion comic version |
