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| 01:00.30 | Primer | heh, bnet client in Linux doesn't give me PTR |
| 01:01.24 | kd3 | had to nuke and pave my bnet install last night because things broke |
| 01:02.07 | kd3 | though it gives me beta and ptr |
| 01:02.41 | Primer | on Linux? |
| 01:02.58 | kd3 | yup. still need to shift my beta install over to the linux partition, since supposedly it works now |
| 01:03.42 | Primer | I'd like to verify if I have beta access, but I guess I'll have to wait til I get home |
| 01:03.56 | Primer | Would beta access appear on the web site? |
| 01:03.57 | kd3 | log in to your bnet account in your browser - it'll display there |
| 01:03.59 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:04.05 | Primer | Then I don't have it :( |
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| 01:04.23 | Primer | I missed the original post on wowace regarding it |
| 01:04.52 | Primer | then I added my email, but no news since...and that was 26 days ago |
| 01:05.01 | kd3 | wowi's still doing it's thing if you need a key... http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53114 |
| 01:05.31 | Primer | My addons are only on wowace/curse |
| 01:05.54 | kd3 | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 01:06.54 | Primer | heh, last time beta keys were given, I didn't understand that wowi and curse were separate entities |
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| 01:29.18 | Primer | kd3: you ever get "script ran too long" while playing in Linux? |
| 01:29.27 | Primer | None of my cores are pegged, yet I see this all the time |
| 01:29.35 | Primer | and my CPU is not old or slow |
| 01:30.17 | znf | ...ofcourse there's a /r/OverwatchNSFW/ |
| 01:41.21 | foxlit | Guill: could we get something like texture:GetFileID(), or have texture:GetTexture() return that ID if available, and add something like texture:GetOrigTexture() for current behaviour if someone wants that? |
| 01:42.28 | Guill | foxlit: Huh? :GetTexture already returns the fileID if there is one. |
| 01:42.58 | foxlit | /dump texture:SetTexture("Interface\\Icons\\Temp"), texture:GetTexture() |
| 01:43.39 | Guill | Ah, I see |
| 01:43.52 | Guill | So right now, I don't think we're actually looking up the fileID in that case |
| 01:44.02 | Guill | I'm not even sure that we have an efficient way to do that |
| 01:44.07 | Guill | What's the use case? |
| 01:44.11 | foxlit | I have a bunch of paths in SVs, and it would be nice to have a migration path to IDs. |
| 01:44.35 | Guill | Unfortunately, I think that lookup goes in one direction right now :( |
| 01:44.44 | foxlit | (at the moment, I can't tell if a path and an ID are the same texture) |
| 01:44.46 | Guill | You're also not guaranteed to have a fileID for every texture |
| 01:46.12 | foxlit | I'm okay with that; user-supplied textures are always awkward. |
| 01:46.18 | Guill | It's too late for 7.0, but if people find that to be an insurmountable problem, we could probably add some sort of IsSameTexture function that handles both textures and IDs |
| 01:46.35 | znf | I like Guill. He's useful. |
| 01:46.46 | znf | TheDanW too. |
| 01:47.23 | foxlit | meh, it's user preferences. I could just flush them all and have people re-pick icons. |
| 01:49.38 | mckenziemc | jerk |
| 01:50.25 | foxlit | I was thinking this would be relatively easy, since you more or less get the file ID for free while looking up the path in CASC, so it might have been available anyway. |
| 01:50.54 | znf | This is stupid. If there's a limited amount of Champions available for recruitment in the order hall - why can I only have 5 of them enabled? |
| 01:50.57 | znf | It doesn't really make sense |
| 01:52.26 | foxlit | unlimited* customization! |
| 01:53.12 | znf | Why double limit? :-/ |
| 01:53.19 | foxlit | [personally, I would've capped you at 3 + combat ally, since there are 3 specs] |
| 01:55.05 | foxlit | More seriously, the active limit caps the number of missions you can run simultaniously, and makes arranging groups bearable. |
| 01:57.49 | foxlit | "Why are there more than 5?" is probably because the initial design came from "who would be cool to have around here?" |
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| 03:19.19 | mckenziemc | http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ o.o |
| 03:29.04 | kd3 | wow. hexos is much less of a dps check than it was in mists |
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| 04:12.13 | Stanzilla | kd3: that's actually an ilvl thing |
| 04:12.24 | kd3 | I'm 705 |
| 04:12.32 | Stanzilla | the difference between start of expansion and now is higher than in mop |
| 04:12.38 | kd3 | roughly comparable to the same relative ilvl I killed hexos at in mists |
| 04:12.44 | Stanzilla | well ok then |
| 04:12.58 | Stanzilla | legendary ring though? |
| 04:13.10 | kd3 | got the ring, yes. had the cloak in mists |
| 04:13.29 | Stanzilla | I think ring is way bigger dps upgrade than the cloak was |
| 04:13.39 | Stanzilla | since you burst right at the start where movement is still easy |
| 04:21.57 | kullervo | Hexos is lulzy, I killed it as mistweaver in MoP just to prove my mad super hexagon skills to a guildie |
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| 05:50.35 | Miiru | bud spencer is dead :( |
| 05:51.39 | Stanzilla | yes |
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| 07:00.33 | Miiru | a hunter with 2 devilsaurs sounds like an erathquke -.- |
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| 07:39.25 | Miiru | is it possible to modi |
| 07:39.43 | Miiru | fy templastes set by blizzard? |
| 07:39.55 | Miiru | (sry that was my cat on the keyboard) :D |
| 07:40.34 | Miiru | set in UIPanelTemplates.xml |
| 07:44.33 | nevcairiel | you can modify the templates as such, but you can modify the frames after they have been created from the template |
| 07:44.46 | nevcairiel | you cannot modify the templates* |
| 07:46.11 | Miiru | ok that is what I found googling. I do not think that its worth the effort then :D |
| 07:51.55 | VIad | Miiru: are you making something like aurora/skinner? |
| 07:52.10 | Miiru | I have |
| 07:53.11 | VIad | for legion? |
| 07:53.28 | Miiru | ye |
| 07:53.29 | Miiru | s |
| 07:54.15 | VIad | can I look? :d |
| 07:54.59 | Miiru | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23920-MiirGuiTexturePackBlue-LegionBeta.html |
| 07:55.30 | VIad | ah I remember now |
| 07:55.50 | VIad | "69" on bag ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 07:56.36 | Miiru | is there a point in time where one can run freely in suramar city? |
| 07:56.44 | Miiru | maybe at exalted or something? |
| 07:57.21 | VIad | dunno |
| 07:57.30 | VIad | doubt anyone of us here farmed to exalted :p |
| 07:57.42 | Miiru | I seem to have a talent to run into guards :D |
| 07:58.02 | VIad | just slay them and show whos boss |
| 07:58.25 | VIad | take their firstborn |
| 08:02.37 | Miiru | cant rob children =( |
| 08:05.44 | Miiru | I finished the millenium falcon 3dpuzzle I bought yesterday: http://boujong.net/mill.jpg |
| 08:05.56 | Miiru | It's turned out a lot bigger than i thought it would be :D |
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| 08:37.41 | VIad | your cat looks green and tiny |
| 08:40.30 | Miiru | :D |
| 08:41.28 | Miiru | http://boujong.net/cat.jpg thats my ra |
| 08:41.38 | Miiru | *real cat |
| 08:42.04 | Miiru | wtf keyboard why are you hitting enter |
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| 08:45.00 | Kalroth | what a pretty pussycat |
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| 08:49.20 | Miiru | She has (had) epilepsy :< |
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| 08:57.16 | VIad | nice kitten |
| 08:57.47 | znf | pretty kitty! |
| 09:12.17 | VIad | purr purr purr |
| 09:15.00 | Miiru | why couldnt they make categories for every single addon at the professions windows, not they only have legion xx, warlords xx and the rest is 'old' |
| 09:16.41 | VIad | probably not considered important |
| 09:16.46 | VIad | and most people probably wont care either :( |
| 09:17.09 | VIad | if you are lucky, maye the API has the categories |
| 09:17.26 | VIad | otherwise yeah... |
| 09:18.12 | Miiru | I think it would only be logical to have a single list for each addon, especially if you consider, that the list is mostly of interest for recipe collectors |
| 09:26.55 | VIad | I considered myself to be a huge fishing nerd, but since draenor fishing achievements I kind of cba -_- |
| 09:27.11 | VIad | collecting stuff is so tiresome if you do it just for the collecting |
| 09:27.14 | Miiru | I think i got all fishing achievements |
| 09:27.36 | VIad | you had to go around fish like 100 of each fish type in various zones |
| 09:29.57 | VIad | and to get nat pagle you had to do so much, kind of sad, I thought I'd make it but I wanted to do other stuff than waste time fishing for hours :p |
| 09:30.25 | VIad | at least dailies are like, you do them, you are done. fishing you can fish all the freaking time, and with no clear daily goal I just whatever |
| 09:30.39 | VIad | legion will probably keep it like this though, I guess the bar will keep rising |
| 09:31.06 | VIad | have to put in more time into a useless thing that will be obscolete next expansion for some cosmetic rewards probably |
| 09:31.13 | Miiru | I like fishing more when there was not that much data mining around and i was under the impression i could fish up something cool :D |
| 09:31.47 | VIad | I guess I am a bit over the cool phase now, I'd do it if I got something usefull :p |
| 09:32.00 | VIad | water walking mount I did in pandaria because functionality |
| 09:32.10 | Torhal | "I used to really like those Nigerian Princes who emailed me all the time, until someone figured out it was a scam." |
| 09:32.11 | Torhal | >.> |
| 09:32.18 | VIad | :d |
| 09:32.27 | Miiru | mhm i still need a waterwalking mount :S |
| 09:32.54 | Miiru | hah :D I also still am sometimes wondering if there are like undiscovered quests or stuff in the old world :D |
| 09:33.11 | Miiru | something like those old tomb raider cheats |
| 09:33.29 | Miiru | 1 stop forward, 3 backwards, jump and you are teleported to spot X |
| 09:33.32 | Miiru | *step |
| 09:35.21 | Miiru | datamining took a lot of fun :/ |
| 09:36.32 | VIad | nope |
| 09:36.43 | VIad | well probably |
| 09:36.49 | VIad | but item wise its all known |
| 09:37.11 | VIad | might be some places you can step on or stuff you click in order, server side it could do things when conditions are met |
| 09:37.19 | VIad | but I doubt there are any in game like that |
| 09:38.12 | Torhal | http://wncn.com/2016/06/24/ronald-mcdonald-gunned-down-at-sonic-restaurant-in-nc/ |
| 09:39.38 | VIad | "both men shot at each other" |
| 09:39.52 | VIad | what is this, post-apocalyptic fight for food? |
| 09:40.25 | VIad | "what do you mean there are no more chicken mcnuggets left? *reaches for gun*" |
| 09:40.25 | Torhal | It's North Carolina. |
| 09:40.49 | VIad | maybe gun control is not such a bad idea |
| 09:40.59 | nevcairiel | personally I would be worried if the husband of a restaurants manager is carrying a gun in said restaurant |
| 09:41.19 | Torhal | In North Carolina, he probably had a carry permit. |
| 09:41.20 | Kalroth | not in 'merica |
| 09:41.21 | nevcairiel | but that guy is probably traumatized from his name already |
| 09:41.24 | Torhal | Hah |
| 09:41.55 | VIad | in norway you kind of need to be active in gun range like in a club in order to keep your license |
| 09:42.08 | nevcairiel | in murica you just go into a shop any buy one |
| 09:42.10 | VIad | and there are yearly fees involved, requirements and such |
| 09:42.30 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:42.42 | Torhal | When I worked at an ISP in '90s Virginia, the owner would walk around with a gun on his hip. Ex-military. Liked to talk about his carry permit. |
| 09:42.50 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 09:43.16 | VIad | if he liked his carry permit so much why didn't he marry it |
| 09:43.27 | nevcairiel | having a gun at home to defend from invading englishmen is one thing, but carry permits really seem to go beyond what makes any kind of sense |
| 09:43.29 | newbie | assuming mentally stable, he may be good detterance,discouraing bad guys from trying anything:p |
| 09:44.09 | VIad | sometimes I just need to carry my assault weapon in public |
| 09:44.27 | VIad | phone, keys, wallet, m4a1, ready to go to the movies |
| 09:45.06 | newbie | increased extended authorization for use of force and control by authorities justifies such citizen rights even more i think, .. scary with all the surveillance,big use of force, secrecy etc. of governments nowdays.. better not let em get it too easy |
| 09:48.18 | VIad | I heard you can legally own a 40mm cannon from WW2 |
| 09:49.14 | Miiru | BagHelpBoxBg BagHelpBox.Text i hate this -.- |
| 09:49.19 | newbie | think all who would be allowed to carry , most any place in the world, need to be considered mentally stable and fit somehow, and training .. not just for anyone. I think with as many crazies around as well as governments not to be allowed too easy power abuse, be good to have some around if can assume have been evaluated and considered fit |
| 09:50.01 | newbie | tho, would be inclined to agree most "normal" ppl may not be too stable in all situations either often , but.. :x |
| 09:50.10 | VIad | I shouldnt be able to carry a gun |
| 09:50.12 | nevcairiel | guns dont protect from abuse, they just make it escalate |
| 09:50.19 | VIad | sure I am no psycho but I have no clue about weapons at all |
| 09:50.40 | Torhal | You shouldn't be able to name yourself, VIad. |
| 09:50.41 | Torhal | >.> |
| 09:51.01 | VIad | <.< |
| 09:51.05 | newbie | cops & military are good examples of ones who are likely to assume usually trustworthy and 'stable' , |
| 09:51.07 | nevcairiel | barely anyone around here has a gun outside of actual sports usage, that generally doesn't mean that criminals and crazies just get free reign, instead they typically also have much less guns |
| 09:52.18 | VIad | perhaps if the guns available arent of the automatic type, police wouldnt have to shoot you in the back because you looked scary in the shadow at night |
| 09:52.38 | VIad | I mean, atm it sounds like police will basically shoot first, appologize later |
| 09:52.44 | VIad | based on the worst cases in the news |
| 09:52.50 | newbie | in Uk u have to be 18 yrs old and show valid ID to buy scissors.. as in Norway are occasional random metal-detector police controls at random check points at busy hubs in city occasionally, as many are using any means to conceal and use whatever weapons they can get, |
| 09:53.12 | VIad | I have not seen a weapon IRL yet |
| 09:53.21 | VIad | like on the street |
| 09:53.22 | nevcairiel | i was in the military, so i have |
| 09:53.28 | VIad | well, maybe police once or twice |
| 09:53.34 | newbie | prolly good, and when ppl risk pulling up anything serious ni those countries,..better wtach out i think :o |
| 09:53.41 | Torhal | Does mckenziemc count as a weapon? |
| 09:53.49 | VIad | yes |
| 09:53.52 | Torhal | k |
| 09:55.33 | VIad | you can openly carry a mckenziemc on your belt |
| 09:55.41 | Torhal | ...eww. |
| 09:56.04 | VIad | I prefer over the shoulder strap |
| 09:59.37 | VIad | Torhal: are you still keeping ARL updated for legion? |
| 10:00.10 | Torhal | Not yet. Been working every day for the past month. |
| 10:00.33 | VIad | will it be a lot of work to update it for legion? |
| 10:01.10 | Torhal | Probably, but I won't really know until I crack it open. |
| 10:01.44 | VIad | just a heads up, looks like a lot of changes : |
| 10:03.44 | Torhal | Aye, I saw some screenshots plus the TradeSkillUI API changes. |
| 10:04.11 | Torhal | But I won't know the overall effort required until I get a day off. Hopefully more than one. |
| 10:05.40 | VIad | maybe you can use some of the new UI and redesign ARL! :o |
| 10:05.49 | VIad | new UI seems nicer than the old one for professions |
| 10:06.41 | Torhal | I wanted to redesign it anyway; what I have now is miles better than what was there before, but it's still something I basically slapped together in 2010. |
| 10:07.11 | Torhal | I actually have a branch where I started work on it, before I got sidetracked. |
| 10:07.12 | nevcairiel | are you going to rename it to TRL soon? |
| 10:07.42 | Torhal | If enough work needs done, I might just redesign shit to fold everything into Collectinator. |
| 10:08.13 | Torhal | I'm tired of having two projects with the same codebase, where I forget to update one or the other and go in to add something and notice I can't easily. |
| 10:11.36 | VIad | tired of life :( |
| 10:11.58 | VIad | at some point one realizes it's all for nothing, just working everyday to pay bills and thats it. |
| 10:12.49 | Torhal | On that note, I believe I'll go to bed and sleep for 12 hours - my shift moves back up four hours today so I shouldn't have a problem. |
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| 10:24.04 | VIad | places mckenziemc next to Torhal in his bed for company. |
| 10:24.32 | VIad | I hate my dangling participles |
| 10:24.59 | VIad | sounds like mckenziemc and Torhal are in my bed now |
| 10:25.13 | VIad | to keep me company |
| 10:27.51 | newbie | "for nothing"? - it is what u make of it, i think:d - best try think positive, however, not worry too much focusing on bad stuff better shift attention to something else to push it then .. stuff could b so much worse, eh.. :o =) |
| 10:29.02 | newbie | (tleast what i like to think,or try convince myself, when bothered by similar...:p we're stuck as we are w limitations of humanity n our environment n all that anyway ,so..whatever eh!=P ) |
| 10:31.43 | newbie | wow is nice distraction at times for example , for me anyway ^_^ .. n for now, better hope it lasts n njoy the right nows :] |
| 10:32.52 | newbie | sry i talk tlo much hah:s need some sleep one of these days too.^^ =s |
| 10:33.08 | znf | are you asian, by any chance? |
| 10:33.41 | newbie | lol, me? mh,nop don' tthink so..,why? |
| 10:37.12 | znf | just wondering :) |
| 10:37.28 | newbie | =) |
| 10:38.01 | Kalroth | he's a newbie, not an asian |
| 10:38.04 | Kalroth | sheesh znf |
| 10:38.27 | newbie | :p |
| 10:39.42 | newbie | Im from & located in northern Europe btw :) |
| 10:40.14 | znf | many smileys, handle them |
| 10:40.23 | newbie | you all.. europe as well i guess, this time of day? |
| 10:40.28 | newbie | hm..:z |
| 10:40.40 | VIad | denmark, newbie? |
| 10:40.52 | newbie | Kingdom of Norway |
| 10:41.03 | VIad | kingdom no longer |
| 10:41.16 | newbie | =O? |
| 10:41.31 | VIad | dont think the king has any power for hundreds of years now |
| 10:41.52 | VIad | token royalty that takes tax cut to live rich lives |
| 10:41.59 | newbie | wikipedia's "Norway"-article claims that is the official name of the country |
| 10:42.11 | VIad | yeah probably |
| 10:42.12 | Miiru | s |
| 10:42.21 | Miiru | arent most kings just pawns nowadays? |
| 10:42.22 | newbie | (and, most other .. official sources, tho little used in daily speech at least:d) |
| 10:43.02 | VIad | we took the land from the sami and called it our own :p |
| 10:43.14 | VIad | like how usa took the land from the indians |
| 10:43.35 | newbie | i didn't don't blame me:| |
| 10:44.12 | Miiru | hah bud spencer dies, the first site it visit wants to sell me the bud spencer book |
| 10:44.22 | newbie | won't know to avoid similar events in future if not having learnt from past mistakes as such in the first place.. so maybe not such a bad thing eventually .. done is done n what matters is how things are now n all hm=] |
| 10:44.26 | Miiru | naughty naughty people |
| 10:44.28 | VIad | "Samenes NASJONALdag ... Visste ikke at samene hadde eget land. Da kan sikkert det landet betale for Sametinget, støtte til samisk kultur osv." |
| 10:45.36 | newbie | the sami are genetically originating from farther east, in russia, i think.. |
| 10:46.22 | VIad | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 10:47.04 | newbie | anyway.. just a matter of time n all, and..can prolly find some/whoever new to blame, for,..whatever,.. if that's important for some reason :p |
| 10:50.33 | newbie | perceived "good" & "bad" are mere perspectives i think,ever changing and very subjctive, not of significance besides to the individual at the time.. seemingly as some kinda behavioral control thingy.. :d -i'd think:] |
| 10:53.21 | newbie | so owell, fkit-imo:p -- im just a mere human,as the rest of you/us all, heh,so dont blame me^=) (tleast id tlel myself, or someethign along these lines.. i feel prty innocent tbh, didn't even ask to be here (live) in the first place either..!:p |
| 10:53.53 | karl_w_w | I'm faling to imagine a situation where something like this would be useful https://www.ple.com.au/Products/618489/Startech-USB20-Ext-A-to-A-MF-15cm-Adapter-Cable |
| 10:53.57 | newbie | neway, sorry i should shut up, i guess.. (ppl often whine in /2 or such as i get on rambling on whatever ingame at times too, hah.. .. mm , imma go noob aroudn some dungs,rbgs or something instead for a bit i guess |
| 10:56.06 | newbie | as it states, extending usb cables.. some have funky connectors (type of end (male/female)), so that some times ones with female+fem are neeed, otherwise m+m,or as that one m+f .. tho besides for simple small things may wna get something to ensure no power loss if keep extending the cables.. (ive found out, such as with web cams.. :z) - anywho, laters! |
| 10:58.50 | newbie | oh and many wireless cards especcialy.. the antenna cable looses signal much faster than usb cable would (it wouldn't), tho iirc, after 8meter or more extended as such recommends using some power adapter or some kinda special usb-extender cable to suppoer such lengths.. or somethin...:S neway... got a big tangled mess of that kinda cable and much else all over here,messy room,argh:s :p |
| 11:04.24 | newbie | (.....specific example; imagine u have a simple wireless network card that plugs into usb port, but its just a little stick.. with such a cable, it seems- could plug it into that one end of the cable, and aline the network card so the antenna is more optimally places (like high up in some window:) while the other goes down to the computer..! |
| 11:11.13 | Miiru | I am under the impression that karl_w_w was thinking about something else, or it was a trick question because the answer to his question seemed rather obvious :S |
| 11:11.45 | newbie | :x lol:d |
| 11:12.07 | newbie | soryr-i guess,.:) |
| 11:14.43 | VIad | anyone playing overwatch btw? |
| 11:15.21 | Miiru | are the new transmog sets you create at the wardrobe saved server sided or client sided? |
| 11:15.54 | VIad | I would hope server side |
| 11:16.02 | VIad | sounds silly not to be :p |
| 11:18.56 | newbie | no idea how that works or what it even is, but if anything like the 'equipment managaer' for example (in character pane, that lets u quickly switch gear sets) i think that would be saved client side at least.hmh. |
| 11:19.47 | VIad | gear sets are stored client side? wat |
| 11:20.00 | VIad | I think I remember them to be stored on server but if not then thats crappy |
| 11:20.12 | VIad | you'd expect your default interface to be the same regardless of client |
| 11:20.12 | newbie | o.. sorry not all sure about that really.. could be im wrong |
| 11:20.56 | newbie | lots of things like macros etc. are stored in .txt files n such, along with much other settings for the ui,.. |
| 11:24.16 | VIad | those are synchronized |
| 11:24.18 | newbie | yeah, seems (from various other user's post around the web stating this too-) that the info on sets are stored server side, sry i was wrong then! |
| 11:25.17 | Miiru | hm so no preparing and importing gearsets from beta/ptr to live then ^ |
| 11:25.48 | Miiru | I dig the fact that you can set different transmoggs to the same gear for different speccs |
| 11:26.08 | Miiru | was expecting that this would never be implemented |
| 11:27.09 | NodusCursorius | I have a hunch and wonder if that is now a featureset because they've settled on only changing specs while rested. |
| 11:28.33 | NodusCursorius | The limitation extension past that would likely run into trouble if the player was in combat (secure actions, maybe?), so since resting is required to swap talen- |
| 11:28.40 | newbie | not sure if related or any help, but some ui functions/commands for equipment manager here it seems, if even the same thing that u meant(was googlin around, n seemd related..for some1 who can figure those commands mayb:d)-> wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#equipmgr |
| 11:28.43 | NodusCursorius | Nevermind. I always forget that you can be both rested and in combat. |
| 11:29.49 | NodusCursorius | newbie, I don't know who you are or what you're trying to accomplish, but I appreciate how quickly you reach out and try to help someone. |
| 11:29.56 | newbie | maybe could use such to get output on the data needed to recover on the other client ( aka import settnigs) or something.. |
| 11:29.56 | NodusCursorius | Keep up that spirit. |
| 11:30.40 | newbie | o, lol, sorry if seemd dum-i am idd rly overly noob to all this ui stuff and don't rly even know how to use those commands..:p just trying to understand some, and.. seemed somewhat related, just wasn't sure, or what might be further there .. =s |
| 11:31.41 | NodusCursorius | I complimented you and encouraged your helpful behaviour, and you apologized. |
| 11:32.06 | NodusCursorius | You're fine. Hope you learn what you are looking for, while here. |
| 11:32.36 | newbie | :) |
| 11:35.48 | Miiru | so that means if I am gonna do some mountfarming, I would have to choose my spec beforehand and cant switch in mids instance :/ |
| 11:35.50 | Miiru | thats bad |
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| 11:36.48 | Miiru | not earthshaking but still |
| 11:37.45 | nevcairiel | you can switch spec whenever, you just cant switch talents |
| 11:37.54 | Miiru | ah |
| 11:37.54 | nevcairiel | unless you carry a book |
| 11:38.05 | Miiru | talents only rested ok |
| 11:39.11 | VIad | nevcairiel: I like how we removed the book and added it back as another craftable item just for fun :d |
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| 12:23.33 | znf | I don't really understand the need for the damn book |
| 12:23.41 | znf | Is it just to make scribes useful for something? |
| 12:24.11 | znf | Or just for me to have a bag slot filled constantly with those things? |
| 12:34.56 | nevcairiel | they want talent choices to be meaningful and not arbitrarily changed almost automatically for every trash pull, hence a reagent thats somewhat costly |
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| 12:37.54 | znf | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmCbARJWQAAwwvw.jpg:large |
| 12:38.07 | znf | nevcairiel, that's a departure from "we want you to change talents every boss" |
| 12:38.38 | nevcairiel | news flash: new expansions change philoshopy |
| 12:43.40 | znf | So, question about europeans |
| 12:43.56 | znf | On restaurant menus, in your country, are you required to have food alergens informations? |
| 12:44.07 | znf | Like, "this product contains shellfish, wheat etc. etc."? |
| 12:46.14 | nevcairiel | it has to be marked since december 2014 or so |
| 12:46.26 | nevcairiel | usually just a footnote with appropriate references |
| 12:51.39 | znf | I was looking at the actual EU FIC law (regulation) |
| 12:51.51 | znf | And it doesn't seem to be actually required to be printed on the menu. |
| 12:52.01 | mckenziemc | warning: this product contains food |
| 12:52.54 | Mr_Rabies | i ate those food |
| 12:55.29 | newbie | " new Regulation (EU) No 1169/2011 on the provision of food information to consumers entered into application on 13 December 2014. The obligation to provide nutrition information will apply from 13 December 2016." .. "Mandatory allergen information for non-prepacked food, including in restaurants and cafes" |
| 12:56.02 | newbie | - http://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/labelling_nutrition/labelling_legislation/index_en.htm -- think is required, by law even.^? not sure.. but,.. sounded potentially serious (life-threatening to some?), if it wasn't... ^^ =s |
| 12:58.11 | znf | actually it says: https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12279018_996338137055395_1667966588040938271_n.jpg?oh=c1ea7acf35ca31e25ebf61d9305aef02&oe=57FD6327 |
| 12:59.02 | nevcairiel | that looks like a transcription, not official law |
| 12:59.31 | znf | I got it from one of the EU websites |
| 12:59.38 | znf | can't recall which, though, it's been over a year |
| 12:59.45 | nevcairiel | and orally it might be required to tell the customer without him asking first, which might not be very nice |
| 13:00.18 | newbie | yeah.. hopefully is required to inform ppl of such, then.. stating "introduced a new requirement" wchich "can be provided in writing or orally" - hopefully some kind of thing to impose sanctions on ppl if not making it clear enough, either or-maybe depending on what is most convenient |
| 13:00.54 | znf | I actually find it stupid that you have to specify |
| 13:01.05 | znf | If you know you're alergic to something, do you not ask about it? |
| 13:01.41 | Mr_Rabies | if i had a serious food allergy, i'd probably be terrified to eat out anywhere |
| 13:01.46 | newbie | may be not everything seems likely to contain allergen, but may actually.. or ppl for other reasons may not be reasonable to expect ask every time |
| 13:01.57 | znf | Also, it's close to impossible to prevent cross-contamination |
| 13:02.05 | znf | In a restaurant environment |
| 13:02.13 | Mr_Rabies | even if you prepare your own food, there's no real guarantee against contamination |
| 13:02.21 | newbie | some tthings for example some chips here i remember reading on package saying it was produced in same environment they package nuts and other allergens and may contain traces of that..maybe stuff liike that |
| 13:02.55 | znf | Actually the EU says those should be removed |
| 13:03.19 | Mr_Rabies | i think you really gotta draw the line somewhere before the product becomes more warning than notification, you eventually wind up with "boy who cried wolf" where people just ignore -all- the warnings |
| 13:03.39 | Mr_Rabies | see: pretty much anything sold in california |
| 13:04.08 | nevcairiel | murica is hardly a good example of sanity, you write onto your coffees that they are hot |
| 13:04.49 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 13:04.49 | newbie | someone who claims to serve "x" and end up serving someone "x (with a little of <allergen>) could hopefully be held accountable for such too and with that give further incentives to inform properly |
| 13:04.59 | Mr_Rabies | to be fair the hot coffee thing actually does have a good precedent |
| 13:05.16 | nevcairiel | its coffee, its meant to be hot |
| 13:05.26 | Mr_Rabies | mcdonalds were keeping the coffee so hot that it actually pretty horribly disfigured a woman when she spilled it on herself |
| 13:05.29 | Mr_Rabies | melted the skin, etc |
| 13:05.32 | Mr_Rabies | a real horrorshow |
| 13:06.13 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think the answer was "warning: hot" but after the lawsuit everyone wanted to cover their asses |
| 13:06.51 | newbie | im also unsure if actually right to call that a wrongdoing.. coffee is supposed to be brewed and served at a certain temperature, any reason customer would assume it be cooled down before serving? - many may see that as a degradation of product? |
| 13:06.59 | Mr_Rabies | the woman suing them only wanted to cover medical expenses, and it's often touted as an example of america's overly-litigious culture |
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| 13:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | but that's not true at all |
| 13:07.30 | Mr_Rabies | there's cooled down and then there's literally unsafe to drink when served, |
| 13:07.48 | newbie | fresh-brewed coffee.. customer should know to be cautious of that and not assume no danger to spill it over themselves at any point with hot beverags i think.. or would have to be too much cooled down to avoid:d? |
| 13:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | and in a foam cup stays unsafe to drink for a very long time |
| 13:08.42 | Mr_Rabies | like this wasn't a situation where she would be like "oh no it's hot i better sip it" when she got it |
| 13:09.03 | Mr_Rabies | it was so hot it would have done the same thing to her mouth |
| 13:09.04 | newbie | many may not drink right away,may get without added milk for example that many may want to add which would lower temperature (if already pretty low..maybe gets too cold if adding,then..) i dunno, if claiemd to be "drinking-ready" maybe.. but still not reasonable to assume safe to handle carelessly? |
| 13:09.51 | Mr_Rabies | it was basically being brewed with the idea that a lot of people get coffee on the way to work and drink it 20 minutes later when they get there, but |
| 13:10.07 | Mr_Rabies | it meant it was being served at a dangerous temperature to start |
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| 13:10.43 | newbie | eating at restaurant many may cut themselves with the cutlery, can't complain if the knife was "too sharp, dangerous" - knives too could be dangerous if not handled with care, many have fallen over and stabbed themselves |
| 13:10.47 | Mr_Rabies | it was kept at just below boiling for the whole time it was being sold |
| 13:11.38 | Mr_Rabies | what if they gave you a knife whose blade dropped out of the handle and cut you deeply the second you picked it up |
| 13:11.42 | Mr_Rabies | nicked an artery or something |
| 13:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | you don't think they may share some blame there? |
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| 13:12.55 | Mr_Rabies | additionally, what if they were altering the blades of every knife to be looser because for some reason they assumed more people would buy things if they did that |
| 13:13.01 | newbie | hm , not sure but.. prolly shoudln't assume everything to be error-free and gone thru rigid testing before every use .. "shit happens" kinda. If was noones intent or somethign that could be predicted.. don't think its right to punish someone? |
| 13:13.51 | Mr_Rabies | because they were basically just storing the coffee at unsafe temperatures, it wasn't coffee that was just brewed, it was being stored at undrinkable temperatures for the whole time the coffee was available for sale |
| 13:14.44 | newbie | yeah if they tampered with the equipment so the standard certification (?) of their stuff prolly arent valid anymore.., non-default or such..yeah, then whoever did that should have thought it could end b |
| 13:14.48 | newbie | ..badly. |
| 13:15.05 | Mr_Rabies | every mcdonalds in the country was doing it |
| 13:15.05 | znf | newbie, what is the last time you've slept? |
| 13:15.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's how it was intended to be served |
| 13:15.27 | VIad | hope we are talking about scalding coffee |
| 13:15.30 | Mr_Rabies | they were storing it and serving it at much warmer temperatures than any other restaurant |
| 13:15.31 | newbie | znf. hm..tbh not sure, but.. not manydays ago last |
| 13:15.31 | VIad | thats how I like it |
| 13:15.43 | Mr_Rabies | Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[11] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (9 kg, nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her to 83 pounds (38 kg). After the hospital stay, |
| 13:15.43 | Mr_Rabies | Liebeck needed care for 3 weeks, provided by her daughter.[12] Liebeck suffered permanent disfigurement after the incident and was partially disabled for two years. |
| 13:15.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say suing for medical expenses is pretty valid here |
| 13:15.53 | VIad | nothing wakes me up than scalding caffeine |
| 13:16.04 | Mr_Rabies | she probably had a case to sue for more than medical expenses, but that's all she wanted |
| 13:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | to help cover the damage mcdonalds' intentional negligence caused to her |
| 13:16.33 | VIad | why didnt they feed her food? 38 kg is okay for a kid, but not adult :s |
| 13:17.09 | Mr_Rabies | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants |
| 13:17.21 | Mr_Rabies | read about the case, it's really interesting, and she eally wasn't overly litigious at all |
| 13:17.46 | VIad | ah that case |
| 13:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | it was a case of a corporation ignoring safety for profit, and she only sought money for the damages they caused her and nothing else |
| 13:19.26 | VIad | btw I like how there is something called "national coffee association" xD |
| 13:19.35 | VIad | purpose: lobbying |
| 13:19.42 | newbie | besides the burns ,and likely exaggerating the description a bit- sounds like some lawyer slapped on alot of other bad-sounding consequences of that whole ordeal, maxxed out the potential treatment and diagnositics for same reason to make it all a much bigger sounding thing ..- though may be somewhat true still.. losing weight etc., all because of coffee being a bit too high temp.... =s |
| 13:20.17 | newbie | sounds weird they'd use that in a case against whoever .. poor whoever that was, got alot of blame :o .. i dunno |
| 13:21.44 | newbie | i got "permanent disfigurement" after spilling boiling water on my foot too, still scar many years after and sevreal years after occasionally felt some kinda sudden sting (reflex made me go like "ouch..wtf" for a sec all of a sudden, long after pain gone.. -) maybe similar, just mad sound much worse (lawyer talk,lawsuit ($$)) .. ?:d |
| 13:22.30 | Arrow|work | try pouring boiling water on your genitals and then you might beable to make a valid comparison |
| 13:23.04 | newbie | oo, genitals?! ow..! ouch... :S :( |
| 13:23.50 | Arrow|work | thats what they mean by permanently disfiguring |
| 13:24.03 | newbie | wonder what "permanent disfigurement" really means though.. could be true but not as bad as may sound as well just using it for sake of lawsuit (a lawyer would do such:) |
| 13:24.20 | VIad | I guess burnt skin can't heal back to how it was - permanent disfiguring |
| 13:24.30 | znf | I'll tell you in a few days |
| 13:24.32 | znf | my burn is healing |
| 13:24.40 | newbie | burns are horrible..:( |
| 13:24.46 | VIad | how did you burn yourself, znf? |
| 13:24.56 | znf | VIad, I opened the coolant thingie on the car |
| 13:25.05 | VIad | ah right |
| 13:25.10 | Arrow|work | you arent supposed to do that |
| 13:25.21 | VIad | not after the car was recently running |
| 13:25.24 | znf | yeah, I know, but I have some weird leak somewhere |
| 13:25.29 | znf | and I run out of water every once in a while |
| 13:25.41 | znf | I can usually top it just fine and I can continue on my way |
| 13:25.44 | VIad | you literally own a death machine |
| 13:25.51 | znf | I've done that a few times |
| 13:26.06 | VIad | sell it asap and buy another used car that wont kill you |
| 13:26.12 | znf | didn't expect the actual coolant cap to jump in the air, and the water to shoot out like a geyser |
| 13:26.23 | znf | could have been worse, could have hit me in the face |
| 13:26.24 | VIad | scary shit man |
| 13:26.28 | znf | yeah |
| 13:26.55 | VIad | where did the water get you? |
| 13:27.02 | Arrow|work | thats exactly why they say not to open it when its hot, its presurized |
| 13:27.03 | znf | on my chest |
| 13:27.18 | znf | Arrow|work, usually I open it bit by bit and it just leaks around the cap |
| 13:27.25 | znf | then I can open it and top it up |
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| 13:29.28 | VIad | next time put on the top half of the firefighter suit |
| 13:30.26 | znf | I need to schedule the car for some servicing |
| 13:31.19 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:31.46 | VIad | can always pay someone $50 next time you are on the road and this happens, so worst case its their problem |
| 13:32.07 | znf | but work is kind of killing me right now, can't really leave the house during day time :-S |
| 13:32.08 | VIad | "can you refill my water for a fifty? thanks" |
| 13:32.19 | VIad | working from home? |
| 13:32.27 | znf | yeah |
| 13:32.53 | znf | and because day time is usually filled with tickets and retarded client requests, I kind of prefer working at night |
| 13:33.04 | znf | but working at night => can't wake up during the day until noon or later |
| 13:34.04 | VIad | we need IBM to make a watson for service requests and just feed the questions to him and make him spit out answers :p |
| 13:34.10 | newbie | groups in wow is usually best at night too i think:] maybe related reasons.. |
| 13:34.17 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: Bah. Something's up with Blizz dungeon map info... HereBeDragons fails to grab the Cleft of Shadow, not recognizing |
| 13:34.25 | Tentacled | its dimensions. |
| 13:34.47 | nevcairiel | i fixed some orgrimmar sub maps before |
| 13:35.23 | Tentacled | It used to work before, though, so I blame Blizz :) |
| 13:37.16 | znf | give patch |
| 13:37.53 | karl_w_w | https://www.reddit.com/user/Bradley__ |
| 13:37.57 | karl_w_w | I don't even |
| 13:38.13 | znf | holy mother of paragraphs |
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| 13:55.39 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: mapData[321].floors[2]={362.08984375,241.390014,-4163.9702148438,1932.2700195313, instance=1} -- sad is the world... |
| 13:58.20 | nevcairiel | is this broken on live or on beta? |
| 13:59.06 | Tentacled | Beta. More specifically, the SetDungeonMapLevel(f) call never sets it to 2, it remains at 1 as seen by the subsequent GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel(). |
| 13:59.55 | Tentacled | Let me check live... |
| 14:00.34 | nevcairiel | they changed how those dungeon levels are processed on beta |
| 14:02.22 | Tentacled | On live it's fine. |
| 14:03.03 | Tentacled | I only know of the change to GetNumDungeonMapLevels() now returning a table (which I like very much, if it works), what else has changed? |
| 14:03.32 | Tentacled | (well, a list, not a table, to be exact) |
| 14:04.17 | nevcairiel | i think its just a bug |
| 14:04.31 | nevcairiel | DungeonUsesTerrainMap probably needs different interpretation now |
| 14:09.47 | Tentacled | I hope that bug doesn't make it to the release :P |
| 14:10.04 | nevcairiel | bug in hbd, not legion |
| 14:11.34 | nevcairiel | will need to check how it behaves on live though, so i dont break it there |
| 14:12.31 | Tentacled | Well, what I'm seeing is that the processZone function calls SetDungeonMapLevel(1) and then (2), but both results come back with 1,nil,nil,nil,nil - for the main map it gets terrained all right, but it doesn't even get to the 2nd floor results at all. |
| 14:12.44 | Tentacled | Hence, the SDML(2) call seems to fail. |
| 14:13.31 | Tentacled | Both results = result sets from GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel(), of course. |
| 14:14.38 | nevcairiel | actually it tries to call it with 0 and 1, because thats what GetNumDungeonMapLevels returns |
| 14:14.52 | nevcairiel | but because it uses a terrain map, 0 is 1 and 1 is 2 |
| 14:14.58 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn after a referendum |
| 14:15.41 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 14:16.48 | Fisker | it was 100% in favor |
| 14:16.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 14:19.23 | Tentacled | Oh. That would explain a thing or two, then. Hmm. Does it mean that DUTM now means "this map is 0-based instead of 1-based", sort of? |
| 14:20.07 | nevcairiel | DungeonUsesTerrainMap has always been a bit weird |
| 14:20.18 | nevcairiel | i'll need to dump the info on the maps that set it later and see whats what |
| 14:21.57 | nevcairiel | it used to simply mean that the first floor uses the dimensions of the main map |
| 14:22.05 | nevcairiel | but apparently it offsets the floor id now |
| 14:23.25 | Tentacled | The maps are 321,521,529,789,796,800,819,820,824,877,887,919,953,994,1008,1026,1041,1042,1046 and 1087 ... so... almost only dungeons. Aside from the silly Orgri. |
| 14:23.42 | nevcairiel | a bunch of those only have one floor, which is a bit special as well |
| 14:24.20 | nevcairiel | (ie. the api says they have zero floors, which is where the fakefloor comes from) |
| 14:25.59 | Tentacled | Blizz code also merely adjusts the floor by 1 when there's TerrainMap involved... sheesh, why did they make this so complicated. |
| 14:26.12 | Tentacled | I guess to be able to assume that floor 0 is overworld everywhere... |
| 14:26.46 | nevcairiel | but why they have it in the first place and dont use just nil floor for the world |
| 14:28.42 | nevcairiel | anyway i'll dump the info later and check if the assumptions hold true, and then fix it in hbd |
| 14:49.00 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/fea0AO2.jpg <-I need this Cairenn |
| 14:49.43 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 16:32.11 | NodusCursorius | Halp |
| 16:32.23 | NodusCursorius | I need regex and my brain has hit the failure. |
| 16:33.06 | NodusCursorius | Example: /Lotus/Animations/FlightSuit/ArchScythe/QuickDefaults - I need to select everything from the end of line to the right-most / (/QuickDefaults) |
| 16:33.28 | d[karl]b | nsfw VIad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzCDO_arK-A |
| 16:35.48 | Tentacled | Nodus: /[^/]*$ |
| 16:36.24 | NodusCursorius | Holy shit I am a fucking toilet baker. I went full cupcake. |
| 16:36.27 | NodusCursorius | Tentacled++; |
| 16:37.33 | Tentacled | segfaults in IRC.Parse(), parameters: "Holy shit (...)" |
| 16:38.36 | NodusCursorius | I'm sitting here, nose deep in ASM, and it's like RegEx took a vacation from my brainsack. |
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| 17:02.22 | Tentacled | AcidWeb: Blizzard..? :> |
| 17:02.48 | AcidWeb | Probably. |
| 17:02.53 | AcidWeb | But i'm not sure. |
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| 17:13.24 | Guill | foxlit: (re your message last night) A fileID isn't the same thing as the content key we use for looking up data in CASC. Not every file in CASC has a fileID |
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| 17:37.10 | foxlit | Guill: my impression was that every file that is accessible by a path has a file id. |
| 17:39.59 | Guill | foxlit: In theory every file has a fileID, but the vast majority aren't loaded by the client. We have a table view that filters them |
| 17:40.23 | Guill | I think everything in the Interface/ folder will have a fileID (which is the vast majority of what people would use), but there are some things that don't |
| 17:40.47 | NodusCursorius | Semlar may be the king of crazy map ideas, but I'm still the one who writes 195k line batch files. |
| 17:41.26 | NodusCursorius | Guill, doesn't exportinterfacefiles:code directly query those tables so that it can provide actual names for the users? |
| 17:42.51 | Guill | NodusCursorius: We actually have an entire table used for nothing but the ExportInterfaceFiles command |
| 17:43.04 | Guill | We just load it when you run the command and unload it immediately after |
| 17:43.07 | NodusCursorius | Right, was making sure I understood the mechanics under the hood. |
| 17:43.20 | NodusCursorius | With what you said earlier, are there plans to also remove that table as well? In theory at least. |
| 17:43.45 | NodusCursorius | Because if so that means you guys have a neat way to store file names as hashes to reproduce it on our end, which would be fun news to me. |
| 17:44.02 | Guill | Probably. We'd have to figure out another way for you guys to get those files though |
| 17:45.19 | NodusCursorius | Guill++; |
| 17:45.38 | NodusCursorius | Thanks for the answer, and thanks for keeping your fingers on the pulse of the community. You are appreciated. |
| 17:51.21 | Seerah | ~pat Guill |
| 17:51.24 | purl | ACTION pats Guill and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 18:00.30 | NodusCursorius | Oh, professional question only, Guill: What spurred the move away from a file/tree naming structure into a purely hash-based one? Is it obfuscation, performance, just easier with internal tools? What drove you down this road. |
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| 18:11.28 | VIad | hugs Guill. |
| 18:12.06 | VIad | and d[karl]b thanks for the blood flow down below (video) |
| 18:12.40 | Guill | NodusCursorius: I wasn't directly involved in that decision, but my guess would be a combination of performance and memory. Having everything that references a file store a long string adds up. |
| 18:13.16 | Guill | Definitely wasn't obfuscation. I mean, look at ExportInterfaceFiles. We went out of our way to make it as non-obfuscated as possible :P |
| 18:13.17 | VIad | if it's easier, "exportinterfacefiles all" and just dumps the entire game files from casc onto the drive, and let us sort out what we need and not |
| 18:13.46 | NodusCursorius | It has to be an internal tool for you guys that simplifies the process, right? You still see filenames on your end for development but that doesn't -have- to carry over to us using CASC/hashes. |
| 18:14.26 | Guill | All of our tools are going to use file pickers anyway. Nobody is typing in filenames. |
| 18:14.48 | Tentacled | Not even for pasting purposes? |
| 18:15.52 | Tentacled | I'd imagine every file picker out there would work in SOME sort of folder/file structure, be it physical-ish or purely virtual, with filenames all right... |
| 18:17.18 | Guill | I mean, you can search by filename. But you're still selecting an image, so there isn't really any difference on our side for whether it's filenames or IDs |
| 18:18.19 | NodusCursorius | Guill, that's what I assumed. Blizzard is easily one of the most developer friendly teams I've witness in my greyhat days. For as much as people gripe about things, there's more consistency and open file structure than damn near most other games on the market. Cheers. |
| 18:19.01 | Tentacled | Yup. We all worship ExportInterfaceFiles. |
| 18:19.39 | NodusCursorius | Tentacled, that's the point I'm sure. They need the filelisting on their end but not on our end. Our end is a giant list of a memory hog, but for development side it's as simple as linking names to hashes and only giving the clients the hashes. auto-interpretation on their end. |
| 18:19.43 | NodusCursorius | Or rather, automagic. |
| 18:21.53 | VIad | on a different tone, apparently people claim leaving overwatch game as it ends (to skip the cards and potg) it counts as leaving early - is it true? :/ |
| 18:22.31 | VIad | I always thought the second the game plays the victory/defeat, anything past that, deaths, kills, leaving, doesn't count |
| 18:23.29 | NodusCursorius | Halp. I have gone too far. 44,766 line batch file - https://gist.github.com/NodusCursorius/98efaf1d8b6a3044ee807c271fc60240 |
| 18:26.10 | NodusCursorius | An 8 meg batch file. I need to find a better way to do these kinds of giant lists. |
| 18:33.02 | Tentacled | Guill, the move to file hashes isn't complete yet, is it? GameTooltip:AddTexture still requires a pathname, although GetItemInfo(id) returns a hash as the 10th result, making these two incompatible... |
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| 18:39.28 | Guill | Tentacled: Just an oversight :( The C-side already supports fileIDs, it's just the Lua binding that doesn't. Unfortunately too late to fix for 7.0, but I'll try to get it fixed for 7.1. |
| 18:41.14 | Tentacled | That would be profoundly awesome. :) |
| 18:46.25 | VIad | I assumed it checked if the input was numeric, and used the id>path or what ever, otherwise behaved like you specify a path to a file. Oh well, for 7.1! |
| 18:48.20 | Stanzilla | Guill: are you guys only allowed to ship UI related features for major patches? are minors reserved for bugfixes only? |
| 18:49.36 | Simca_ | based on what I know, every major UI change requires a new interface version so that addons get marked incompatible properly, so they try to avoid doing that for anything that isn't a major patch |
| 18:50.33 | Simca_ | there are exceptions though - there were some B.Net API changes in 6.2.4 and that did not get an updated interface version |
| 18:54.13 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 18:54.15 | Stanzilla | that's why I asked |
| 18:54.25 | Stanzilla | what the rules for that are, if there are any |
| 18:54.45 | Guill | Stanzilla: There isn't really an "allowed". It's a judgement call on our side for risk vs. reward. Minor patches generally get way less testing though. |
| 18:55.26 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 18:56.48 | Stanzilla | hotfixes would be kinda cool, also a nightmare for everyone that wants to track changes though :D |
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| 18:57.18 | Guill | We do patch Lua in client hotfixes when it's necessary |
| 18:57.45 | kd3 | wtb TOCs that actually do what they imply |
| 18:58.01 | Guill | kd3: What do you mean? |
| 18:58.09 | kd3 | breaking interface changes = new toc |
| 18:58.49 | Guill | Yeah, we're not great about upping the toc versions :( |
| 19:00.59 | FireSiku | :( |
| 19:18.07 | VIad | also tocs only change like two digits, the 3rd and 6th :p like 60400 |
| 19:18.48 | Stanzilla | as long as everything gets documented in the official api changelog, I see no problem with that /s |
| 19:22.11 | VIad | ^ yeah |
| 19:22.32 | VIad | would be awesome if there was an automated changelog when lua api changes |
| 19:23.09 | Tentacled | "ExportInterfaceFiles code |diff" -like? |
| 19:23.14 | zenzelezz | ah yes, the invisible 6th digit |
| 19:23.45 | Stanzilla | we had automated diff emails, then kd3 abandoned us! :( |
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| 19:35.56 | VIad | blizz got to have their automated documentation tool they use to write their addons, documentation |
| 19:36.01 | Simca | i would help with automated diff emails or something like that but I already have way too many projects |
| 19:36.17 | Simca | yeah they really just need to be public with their documentation |
| 19:36.52 | Simca | even if they just posted on the web what they stuff into the binary (simple one-line usage messages) that would be better than what we have right now |
| 19:36.53 | FireSiku | VIad: Didnt they say in the last blizzcon that they just use wowpedia for their documentation, or otherwise look at the source code and "figure it out" ? |
| 19:37.00 | Simca | yeah |
| 19:37.05 | VIad | wat? really? |
| 19:37.31 | kd3 | they've said that a few times |
| 19:37.41 | kd3 | including my first blizzcon, back in 2007... |
| 19:38.00 | VIad | I dont really watch the 100% of blizzcon content, too much. so that info slipped me by. |
| 19:40.07 | Simca | Guill: re-adding FileDataComplete is an option. There is no cost to having that file available in CASC as long as it is excluded from 'download'; the client will never download the file intentionally. then the community can have filenames. |
| 19:40.40 | NodusCursorius | An optional download. Kind of like Render-Server.exe |
| 19:41.22 | Simca | i hope you guys consider something like that for 7.1 |
| 19:41.46 | Simca | because bruteforcing filenames to find matches for the namehashes is extremely time-consuming and annoying |
| 19:42.32 | VIad | there are some russian sites offering hacked networks of computers for people to rent and use to do maths and what ever. we could do that and make them bruteforce and make a dictionary for us :d |
| 19:43.05 | VIad | in much shorter time than it would take us to do on one machine. hey, just spitballin' here |
| 19:43.15 | TheDanW | Simca: are you wanting FileDataComplete just for external tools, or also for access ingame? |
| 19:44.33 | Tentacled | Hmmm. Are you guys having issues with GetItemInfo..? It currently returns totally bogus information for some items on the Legion beta... Like, GetItemInfo(52327) returning Ember Topaz instead of Volatile Earth etc... |
| 19:45.08 | Simca | I'd like it accessible in-game too, but I'd also like a million kittens; seems like including it with the game but excluding it from 'download' so that -at least- external tools can have filenames is a good compromise |
| 19:45.25 | Simca | there is no performance hit or download cost for users that way since they never download or load the file |
| 19:45.34 | Tentacled | * Million kittens aggro and eat Simca |
| 19:48.30 | VIad | a million kittens with 0.01% chance to hit him for 1 dmg. wonder how long it will take to kill him ingame. |
| 19:48.49 | Simca | it would also let blizzard kill those dirty Manifest tables that take up space because ExportInterfaceFiles could require FileDataComplete (which presumably it would stream, load, use, and unload in the very rare case where a user uses the console command) |
| 19:49.01 | Simca | so it's win-win-win all around |
| 20:03.13 | FireSiku | VIad: If you still want to hear about Blizz internal docs: https://youtu.be/mx_C7LkB1Q8?t=45m55s |
| 20:09.48 | VIad | thanks, FireSiku |
| 20:10.03 | VIad | that doesn't seem like the official footage, but thanks :d |
| 20:10.44 | kd3 | there was no official footage of the amphitheater stuff |
| 20:10.51 | VIad | probably why I didnt pick up on it |
| 20:10.53 | kd3 | I livetweeted it and mmo-c took the video |
| 20:11.51 | FireSiku | Yeah, it's a shame it wasn't broadcasted. Personally, I found the entire video to be lovely for behind the scene knowledge. |
| 20:11.52 | VIad | so servers use lua server end too :d |
| 20:12.10 | VIad | boss fights? that gotta be gloriously coded |
| 20:13.46 | FireSiku | Turns out DBM is just reverse engineered server lua code! /s |
| 20:13.51 | VIad | ! |
| 20:14.03 | TheDanW | oh man, you guys found Guill |
| 20:14.12 | VIad | it's a decoy |
| 20:14.18 | VIad | just nevcairiel in the backend answering |
| 20:14.37 | zenzelezz | it's actually Del Toro |
| 20:34.35 | Simca | lol VIad |
| 20:37.23 | VIad | I hope blocking people on overwatch makes you not play with them anymore :p |
| 20:37.32 | VIad | using it to block bad players |
| 20:37.33 | nevcairiel | blocking has been disabled |
| 20:37.41 | VIad | what |
| 20:37.52 | VIad | it said in the chat that I blocked :( |
| 20:38.08 | nevcairiel | they didnt like the impact it had on match making |
| 20:38.12 | nevcairiel | so you can only block chat |
| 20:47.05 | VIad | damn |
| 20:47.11 | VIad | so that means if there is a toxic guy |
| 20:47.16 | VIad | I can't even avoid grouping with him |
| 20:47.18 | VIad | like how it is on wow |
| 20:47.37 | VIad | because some people can be rotten but not directly doing stuff you can report them for to get banned :/ |
| 20:48.03 | VIad | like it has to be harassment, but being asshat doesnt categorize as harassment :/ |
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| 21:34.54 | VIad | won 3 games, lost 5 games and toxic people |
| 21:34.57 | VIad | I love overwatch |
| 21:35.18 | VIad | thats my experience past week |
| 21:37.22 | Stanzilla | ranked launches today |
| 21:37.25 | Stanzilla | so have fun with that |
| 21:44.44 | newbie | "toxic"? aggressive kids or something..?:z how/what/why,if I may ask..? (..sorry to say but not sure what Overwatch is tho,heh..hm. A game ye? -ifso Ive never tried barely heard of..(play wow too much lately:p) --anyway,think such situatiosn in wow at least, some times may turn out to be somewhat interesting,and possibly indicator of certain aspects of game (community/teamplay in particular..) i |
| 21:45.22 | VIad | next week for EU probably |
| 21:45.25 | VIad | playing atm, no ranked |
| 21:46.02 | newbie | ..if recurrent.. also, in wow.. may be interesting to see how small bits of communication asnd coordination between ppl, like motivating/encouraging remarks, involving all etc. and staying positive (boosting morale, kinda:p) may change alot.. like if someone goes "lets jsut lose quick guys", .(usualyl would end up bad, fi noone says against:d) |
| 21:47.25 | newbie | can say quick what kinda game it is.:? I never really tried any other recently rlsd games by Blizz eitehr.. Hearthstone or what the name was , some kinda cardgame..?=s ..didn't look too interesting so never bothered,tho dont rly even know what its about.... stuck to wow for long^^ :o |
| 21:47.28 | Stanzilla | VIad: today |
| 21:48.42 | newbie | (btw just plz do say if i talk too much,or anything.. i often hear taht in-game, hah.. :z -not always positive feeedback:o (also my space bar just broke in the middle today,argh..likely related to all ym chatter -again plz just say if bothered then,heh:) |
| 21:50.00 | newbie | owell, sryto jumpin here..imma hop alongon some bankers i guess.. got...like 5k or so mails (expired auctions....pfff!!!) on so many bankerchars... losing a load (i'dnowjus want to forget..:z) to mail timeout/expiry trying to sort a bunch, w8ing idle for the 50 sec between each mailbox reload suxxx.. :z much idle timeheh |
| 21:52.48 | newbie | funny in russian realms,trying to play,communicate n work things out and all,depending on google-translate of chat real quick during raids or whatever to keep up-with google translates often v inaccurate translations to make it more interesting as well :p haha..:s abilities are in Russian names, but the base commands (like "/use") are the same.. having to setup alot anew (addons n all..), much |
| 21:52.51 | VIad | Stanzilla: I am playing ATM |
| 21:52.53 | VIad | today |
| 21:53.01 | newbie | ...unreadable (therussian text on menus etc.., cant copy & paste from that:x) |
| 21:53.02 | VIad | 28 june 2016, 2353pm |
| 21:53.10 | Stanzilla | I didnt say now |
| 21:53.13 | Stanzilla | I said its coming today |
| 21:53.13 | VIad | you said today |
| 21:53.15 | VIad | yes |
| 21:53.15 | Stanzilla | with the patch |
| 21:53.16 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 21:53.17 | VIad | in the next 7 minutes |
| 21:53.18 | VIad | :P |
| 21:53.21 | VIad | then its tomorrow |
| 21:53.31 | VIad | so it comes tomorrow is correct |
| 21:53.36 | VIad | the 29th |
| 21:53.36 | Stanzilla | obviously it's "today" for a bit longer in the US |
| 21:53.39 | Stanzilla | :E |
| 21:53.46 | VIad | I play EU |
| 21:53.51 | Stanzilla | ............. |
| 21:53.54 | VIad | screw the US and their one day early patches |
| 21:54.44 | VIad | tbh overwatch has not posted any clear patch day date on the launcher, its a bit silly |
| 21:54.48 | VIad | use the launcher for important info |
| 21:55.11 | Stanzilla | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745685202 |
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| 21:59.43 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1467151180.png |
| 21:59.51 | VIad | I recommend using that magnificent undiscovered gem |
| 22:06.23 | VIad | horrible games |
| 22:06.34 | VIad | getting turned off playing this game because of losing streaks |
| 22:06.39 | VIad | just their team is too good |
| 22:06.42 | VIad | those are the worst games |
| 22:06.47 | VIad | just cant even get the first point |
| 22:07.06 | VIad | and its a team game |
| 22:07.11 | VIad | and no one wants to use the talk feature |
| 22:07.24 | VIad | and typing is retardedly waiting your time so you cant really talk much either |
| 22:07.31 | VIad | no autorun from spawn so you can like type a 10 sec message |
| 22:08.07 | VIad | also game is countering itself - pick any hero! but if you pick the one you suck with then you lose |
| 22:08.15 | VIad | because it matches me with people based on my win/loss not the hero I play |
| 22:08.29 | VIad | imo game should let me pick hero, and get matched in a game with that hero based on my stats on that hero |
| 22:09.52 | mckenziemc | you're my hero VIad |
| 22:10.42 | VIad | nah |
| 22:10.45 | VIad | you are just bm me |
| 22:10.47 | VIad | like these games |
| 22:10.50 | VIad | all gm |
| 22:10.55 | Maldivia | VIad: well, you're not meant to stick to a single hero throughout a match, the whole point is to switch heroes to counter what the other team brings... |
| 22:11.16 | mckenziemc | bm? |
| 22:13.12 | mckenziemc | 28.5 C :( |
| 22:13.17 | mckenziemc | inside |
| 22:14.45 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: surprise, VIad doesnt uinderstand the game he is playing :p |
| 22:15.21 | VIad | how do I play a hero I dont know well to counter someone that can kill me ? |
| 22:15.26 | VIad | because of lack of skill |
| 22:15.34 | VIad | how do I train when I get matched with good players? |
| 22:15.38 | VIad | I get forced to play my best heroes |
| 22:15.41 | VIad | thats not all of them |
| 22:15.50 | nevcairiel | then you still suck, go learn |
| 22:16.39 | nevcairiel | maybe you deserve to lsoe to get matched with players of equal learning status :) |
| 22:18.39 | VIad | you dont |
| 22:18.44 | VIad | you get matched based on player skill |
| 22:18.49 | VIad | so for me roadhog |
| 22:18.51 | VIad | since I play him the most |
| 22:19.04 | VIad | so if I swap game gives me the cock and matches me against people as if I play all heroes like roadhog |
| 22:19.21 | nevcairiel | but you wont win against a good team if you only play one hero well |
| 22:19.30 | nevcairiel | so eventually you will lose |
| 22:19.34 | nevcairiel | and your rating will go back down |
| 22:19.37 | nevcairiel | until you figure it out |
| 22:19.38 | bshelden | Play more people. If you're focused on a hero you are hurting yourself. And the game should /really/ start indicating that. |
| 22:19.41 | VIad | I can outplay most heroes that are supposed to counter roadhog |
| 22:20.02 | VIad | maybe this isnt the game for me then :p |
| 22:20.09 | bshelden | Agreed. |
| 22:20.10 | VIad | first of all, people are toxic like hell |
| 22:20.11 | nevcairiel | apparently you are not even interested in learning other heroes |
| 22:20.14 | VIad | so that alone isnt fun |
| 22:20.20 | nevcairiel | well honestly so are you :p |
| 22:20.22 | VIad | I play roadhog, torbjørn, bastion, mercy |
| 22:20.30 | VIad | so I swap between those |
| 22:20.32 | VIad | reinhard too |
| 22:20.37 | VIad | but roadhog works best in pub games |
| 22:20.40 | VIad | where people cba to teamwork |
| 22:20.44 | bshelden | People entirely focused on only a few heros aren't as valuable to me as people who can drop in and be baseline effective on the whole array. |
| 22:20.45 | VIad | and there are a lot of those |
| 22:20.49 | bshelden | You cba to teamwork |
| 22:20.53 | VIad | your mom cba to teamwork |
| 22:20.55 | bshelden | Changing to match the situation is required for teamwork. |
| 22:20.57 | VIad | ^ typical overwatch comment |
| 22:21.18 | VIad | its usually more fun to play with friends that use VOIP |
| 22:21.24 | VIad | because that alone can win the game |
| 22:21.34 | VIad | and when I solo I get placed in games against teams, or partial teams |
| 22:21.37 | nevcairiel | of course it is, but even those should expect you to know more than 4 heroes |
| 22:21.39 | VIad | thats hard enough when they communicate |
| 22:21.46 | VIad | phara, soldier |
| 22:21.54 | VIad | list goes on, but not equally good with all :p |
| 22:22.00 | VIad | http://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/eu/Vlad-2876 |
| 22:22.16 | nevcairiel | maybe you should just play them more and learn, instead of giving up and going back to the one you assume you are good at |
| 22:22.36 | VIad | I dont like to lose because I could play someone I am better at but dont |
| 22:22.41 | bshelden | Never said "equally good with all". Baseline effective with all. Having strengths is normal. But to succeed in solo, you need to be able to fill any hole, because they /will/ exist, and in solo you can't depend on someone else to do it. |
| 22:22.49 | VIad | "sorry team I really need to practice my sucky widow - carry me!" |
| 22:22.54 | nevcairiel | if you dont like to lose and learn then you are not a good player |
| 22:23.30 | VIad | maybe I am not. maybe I should start to be toxic back and just make games unfun to new players. |
| 22:23.32 | nevcairiel | especially in a game like overwatch where specialization is very hard |
| 22:23.39 | VIad | dunno |
| 22:23.45 | VIad | lets speak balance |
| 22:23.49 | nevcairiel | (and largely a negative feat) |
| 22:23.57 | VIad | why do pro teams always stick to like the same 5 team compositions? |
| 22:24.04 | VIad | why is zenyatta never played? |
| 22:24.08 | VIad | because some heroes suck if you teamwork |
| 22:24.13 | VIad | others are better if you just go ffa solo mode |
| 22:24.15 | mckenziemc | you could always specialize in something besides video games |
| 22:24.30 | nevcairiel | zenyatta is entirely underrated, you can have so much fun with him |
| 22:24.40 | VIad | tell that to the competitive scene |
| 22:24.48 | Stanzilla | competitive is all about numers |
| 22:24.48 | VIad | zenyatta? then we go black hole mode, bye |
| 22:24.49 | nevcairiel | many so called "pro" teams suffer from the same illusions as you |
| 22:25.02 | nevcairiel | they come from other games where they stick to one combination |
| 22:25.16 | VIad | you can't honestly say all heroes are 100% balanced to work in a team compo? |
| 22:25.18 | nevcairiel | maybe eventually some other teams will figure out a more dynamic play and beat them |
| 22:25.46 | VIad | look at wow and the hundreds of pvp balance hotfixes |
| 22:25.59 | VIad | overwatch suffers the same, hero picks wont change until balance patches occur |
| 22:26.03 | nevcairiel | you cant compare two entirely different games |
| 22:26.15 | VIad | dota is the same way, people change compos once balance fixes are deployed |
| 22:26.29 | VIad | the devs need to force people to change their compos by making some stronger, some weaker |
| 22:26.32 | nevcairiel | dota and wow dont let you change hero mid-game to counter the enemy |
| 22:26.46 | VIad | true. maybe tf2 is a better example |
| 22:27.18 | nevcairiel | which is what makes overwatch more interesting. you dont know what the enemy starts with, but you find out soon enough and that can be countered |
| 22:27.33 | VIad | anyway. I am maybe above casual when it comes to games. but I cant imagine casuals having fun if they also meet these losing walls at some point |
| 22:27.42 | nevcairiel | pro teams will probably start with a balanced team that covers most aspects out of the box, and that works most of the time because their enemy plays a similar way |
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| 22:27.53 | VIad | well |
| 22:28.05 | VIad | you can't not have widow, gives insane advantage to see everyone all the time |
| 22:28.12 | VIad | and just hitting with widow recharges the ulti fast |
| 22:28.23 | VIad | lucio ulti for defensive/offensive use |
| 22:28.33 | VIad | those two heroes are nearly always there because they have OP abilities when used right |
| 22:29.13 | VIad | add mercy if you need saying power and duration, and a phara so mercy can be more flexible and move around faster, you start to end up with some patterns |
| 22:29.39 | nevcairiel | werent you whining about crappy pub games, thats another scene entirely anway :p |
| 22:29.45 | VIad | yeah |
| 22:29.56 | VIad | in pubs its usually people having bad attitude |
| 22:30.02 | VIad | and starting to feel the urge to type it out |
| 22:30.09 | VIad | even if they are winning, they start to throw bm around |
| 22:30.16 | VIad | thats actually quite often in my games |
| 22:30.31 | VIad | and thats just the social aspect |
| 22:31.13 | VIad | the social alone is offputting |
| 22:31.26 | VIad | it wasnt like this a month ago |
| 22:31.43 | VIad | I hope with ranked play those that care about their win rate can go there |
| 22:31.56 | VIad | tbh quick mode should become casual model ike on heartstone |
| 22:32.00 | VIad | so there is no fear to suck |
| 22:32.10 | VIad | and keep the competitive shit in the ranked play |
| 22:32.19 | VIad | that would be the best way to content everyone |
| 22:32.28 | nevcairiel | as if that will change anything in the behavior of people, all the tards will play ranked as well, and the noob tards will still complain in quick :p |
| 22:32.29 | VIad | casuals and competitive |
| 22:32.35 | VIad | no |
| 22:32.49 | VIad | the tards will be toxic in ranked games |
| 22:32.52 | VIad | I will be in the casual games |
| 22:32.55 | VIad | where people dont care if they lose :p |
| 22:33.01 | nevcairiel | but they still do |
| 22:33.03 | VIad | since it wont reduce their winrate, skillrating, etc. |
| 22:33.04 | nevcairiel | they do today, dont they |
| 22:33.12 | VIad | because quick play is the only mode to play |
| 22:33.22 | nevcairiel | but they still dont lose anything other then the game |
| 22:33.25 | VIad | no |
| 22:33.29 | VIad | http://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/eu/Vlad-2876 |
| 22:33.31 | VIad | go there? |
| 22:33.43 | VIad | does it look like the community takes quick play as a casual no stats recoded game mode? |
| 22:33.43 | nevcairiel | stats will still exist :p |
| 22:33.48 | VIad | not for heartstone |
| 22:33.50 | VIad | thats done well |
| 22:33.57 | nevcairiel | this is not hearthstone |
| 22:33.58 | VIad | casual mode doesnt record and show anything to others |
| 22:34.03 | VIad | its the attitude |
| 22:34.07 | VIad | more casual and chill |
| 22:34.10 | nevcairiel | and people want to know their stats even when playing quick play |
| 22:34.18 | VIad | not with ranked arouind imo |
| 22:34.30 | VIad | they can always check their and their friends ingame |
| 22:34.42 | VIad | atm public api to all info makes it into more than just fun play mode |
| 22:34.54 | VIad | even my casual friends use these sites to check out their stats |
| 22:34.56 | VIad | its interesting |
| 22:35.13 | VIad | but these sites make it look like its all about your win/loss rating and how skilled you are compared to others |
| 22:35.34 | VIad | I'd just wish the competitive patch to make these two sides of the coin more divided |
| 22:35.53 | VIad | hopefully people will still go over to ranked that want to actually play seriously and win |
| 22:36.03 | VIad | I will find out in 24 hours when patch is live :p |
| 22:36.53 | VIad | call of duty comes with like 15-20 modes btw, queues |
| 22:36.58 | VIad | wouldnt hurt overwatch to add more |
| 22:37.15 | VIad | maybe appeal to various type of players |
| 22:37.16 | nevcairiel | most of the cod modes are deserted though, because those tards cant play anything but snipers |
| 22:37.26 | nevcairiel | and objective based modes dont cater to those |
| 22:37.39 | VIad | why not give the people what they want? |
| 22:37.44 | VIad | if ffa is popular then sure :p |
| 22:37.56 | VIad | not something I like but there will always be some that do |
| 22:38.21 | nevcairiel | finding games in the more interesting and balanced cod modes was always a long wait, taking the fun out of it |
| 22:38.28 | VIad | like pick hero and queue and get matched for a team based on your skill with that hero - that could be one mode |
| 22:38.30 | nevcairiel | and in ffa/tdm games snipers ruin your fun |
| 22:38.35 | VIad | to appeal to new players that need to practice new heroes |
| 22:38.56 | VIad | another one could be one that limits picks to 2 per role to avoid 6 diva rush nonsense |
| 22:39.07 | kullervo | not neccessarily new players eithe |
| 22:39.09 | nevcairiel | you mean like the weekly brawl modes :p |
| 22:39.15 | VIad | brawl alone is okay |
| 22:39.27 | kullervo | I've played plenty, but don't play certain heroes because they have to be played really well to not hurt the team |
| 22:39.28 | VIad | but you'd like to specifically queue for a specific mode any given time |
| 22:39.52 | VIad | kullervo: if you had pick hero>queue mode you could pick tracer or genji |
| 22:39.58 | VIad | and get matched in a group composited by the server |
| 22:40.02 | VIad | and balanced out on roles and such |
| 22:40.04 | VIad | and skill ofc |
| 22:40.17 | VIad | and let you practice that hero in a better environment |
| 22:40.23 | VIad | bot games are a joke anyway |
| 22:40.43 | nevcairiel | games without hero switches are not a real testing ground tho |
| 22:40.59 | VIad | this mode would be for those that want to get better with a specific hero |
| 22:41.05 | VIad | why dont you let us have this mode, nevcairiel? |
| 22:41.10 | VIad | why does it need to be ONE MODE game only? |
| 22:41.36 | VIad | its like you MUST have all the modes centered around changing heroes anytime you like |
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| 22:41.50 | nevcairiel | because thats how the game is balanced |
| 22:42.00 | nevcairiel | some pairings of heroes are just entirely unbalanced |
| 22:42.07 | nevcairiel | and the solution is to pick another one to counter |
| 22:42.12 | VIad | and if the server matchmakes you with what ever you queue is imbalanced how? |
| 22:42.42 | VIad | they got a reinhard that is new, you get a mercy that is better to make up for that |
| 22:43.01 | VIad | game can balance out the teams and let people practice what they want to practice |
| 22:43.19 | VIad | that could be one additional queue in the menu without totally ruining the entire overwatch franchise |
| 22:43.24 | VIad | trust me, it won't die if that mode existed |
| 22:44.04 | nevcairiel | but the point is, such a mode is not realistic, training to play a hero under perfect circumstances is not what you need, because thats not whats going to happen |
| 22:44.25 | VIad | would like it if the devs at least tried new things |
| 22:44.30 | VIad | and test them out with the comunity |
| 22:44.35 | nevcairiel | a new rheinhardt will not learn properly how to cater for himself if a more experienced mercy is constantly protecting him |
| 22:44.35 | VIad | and expand their game modes |
| 22:44.49 | VIad | it was just an example |
| 22:44.55 | VIad | blizzard can mathematically even out the odds |
| 22:44.55 | Simca | the game has been out for a month, maybe they will try new things |
| 22:45.07 | VIad | well not if you use nevcairiel's way of thinking |
| 22:45.24 | VIad | because anything that moves away from ffa hero picking will ruin overwatch balance |
| 22:45.30 | nevcairiel | you should pay more attention, i never said more modes are bad, i just poke holes into your terrible ideas |
| 22:45.40 | VIad | fine |
| 22:46.31 | nevcairiel | they should make the mystery hero brawl mode a permanently available mode, that one is good for learning heroes |
| 22:46.35 | nevcairiel | also its fun |
| 22:46.45 | VIad | I got roadhog once as starter |
| 22:46.48 | VIad | and destroyed them |
| 22:46.50 | VIad | single handledly |
| 22:47.01 | VIad | just saying |
| 22:47.11 | VIad | it was the early release of the mode, I tried it for fun :p |
| 22:47.14 | VIad | I definetly had fun |
| 22:48.04 | nevcairiel | i decimated an entire team with symmetra a couple times, you dont see me rubbing it into other peoples faces all the time |
| 22:48.23 | VIad | no but the mode is inherently bad if a good guy can get a hero they are good at |
| 22:48.30 | VIad | and ruin the entire game for everyone |
| 22:48.57 | VIad | thats a big issue with the all random deathmatch brawl |
| 22:50.29 | nevcairiel | that only happens early on though, as the entire point was to use that mode to play all heroes ok-ish eventually, as you are thrown into any random hero all the time |
| 22:50.41 | VIad | I can't tell you exactly what will fix the experience for me nevcairiel, but I don't see myself as a purposefully ruining the experience for others - type of person. I'd like to see some things done to increase the fun, less pressure to win, and move competitive into its own queues. |
| 22:51.17 | nevcairiel | you should just find some friends to play with, preferably a full group, and stop whining |
| 22:51.23 | nevcairiel | maybe they'll teach you how to switch heroes |
| 22:51.28 | VIad | thats not a very casual approach to this game though |
| 22:51.37 | VIad | level 1? solo? oh well.. glhf |
| 22:52.05 | VIad | like atm if I play with my lowest level friend, he gets destroyed |
| 22:52.13 | VIad | game matches my group against high levels, more experienced |
| 22:52.23 | VIad | grouping can be dangerous |
| 22:52.35 | nevcairiel | thats always an unsolvable problem when people of different skill group together |
| 22:52.49 | VIad | thats why it would be nice if quick play had no stats tracking publically |
| 22:52.50 | nevcairiel | but there is plenty communities one could join to find others to play with a tad bit more organized |
| 22:53.02 | VIad | keep the stats stuff to the competitive scene |
| 22:53.25 | nevcairiel | that doesnt change that quick play needs some kind of matchmaking, so nothing is solved |
| 22:53.34 | VIad | sure |
| 22:54.00 | VIad | would still probably reduce amount of bm if the outcome doesnt mater, and the focus is just to play what ever hero/compo you want |
| 22:54.35 | nevcairiel | people play to win and have fun, usually winning is fun for them, so stats or not, they still care :p |
| 22:54.46 | VIad | sure |
| 22:55.05 | VIad | but I personally wouldnt invest myself at all if it doesnt matter - and just try have fun learning my hero |
| 22:55.23 | VIad | and not worry about the outcome. hopefully that will also silence most bm |
| 22:55.28 | znf | I personally like a close game |
| 22:55.33 | VIad | bm means bad manner |
| 22:55.38 | VIad | you can always play ranked for that |
| 22:55.47 | znf | Where either if you lose or win, you get to drag the Overtime |
| 22:55.57 | znf | to me that's a nice "balanced" game that I enjoy |
| 22:56.06 | znf | if I drag the overtime timer for 2 minutes, that's fuckin' awesome |
| 22:56.13 | VIad | I dont mind those |
| 22:56.29 | VIad | had some games today where we couldnt get past first doorway |
| 22:56.36 | VIad | because they had it too well fortified :( |
| 22:56.42 | VIad | that was not fun |
| 22:56.54 | nevcairiel | that happens, and then you defend and do the same thiung to them, so what :p |
| 22:56.54 | VIad | there was a limit how much my mercy could do when our dps sucked (had too many tanks I think) |
| 22:56.59 | VIad | nah |
| 22:57.05 | VIad | people leave games after the first match |
| 22:57.05 | VIad | :p |
| 22:57.14 | VIad | so when you swap sides its new people on your losing team |
| 22:57.31 | nevcairiel | i've had plenty games where both sides attacking got stalled at the first or second point (depending on map) |
| 22:57.40 | VIad | in general people just leave games that they lose, because matchmaking is bad at rebalancing the slots I think |
| 22:58.00 | nevcairiel | so just saying our attack failed, we suck isnt entirely accurate, if you can defend equally well, its just an odd thing |
| 22:58.11 | VIad | I look forward to widow fix in next patch |
| 22:58.15 | VIad | so her ulti is announced |
| 22:58.21 | VIad | atm its like impossible to know when its up |
| 22:58.31 | VIad | anyway |
| 22:58.52 | VIad | the engineering amphitheater rekt my ears |
| 22:58.55 | VIad | so bad audio quality :( |
| 22:59.09 | VIad | very uncomfortable |
| 22:59.15 | VIad | wish they would professionally record these |
| 22:59.22 | VIad | like I paid for blizzcon ticket |
| 22:59.26 | VIad | to stream |
| 22:59.31 | VIad | please put these things on the web |
| 22:59.41 | VIad | let me browse the video archive and pick the dev category :p |
| 23:01.26 | Stanzilla | OW patch is out |
| 23:11.03 | g0urra | is WoW fucked up for anyone else? can barely even log on to the game |
| 23:12.40 | kd3 | blizz's twitter is saying something about a ddos |
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| 23:16.49 | g0urra | maybe that's why the beta servers are down too |
| 23:17.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Grum (~grum@irc.grum.nl) |
| 23:17.35 | kd3 | no, there's a new build out |
| 23:17.59 | g0urra | ah, I only saw a restart |
| 23:38.42 | Unkle | What, exactly, is the point of DDoS-ing WoW servers? It's not going to get you "phat lewts" or even a ransom payment. |
| 23:39.19 | Unkle | Hell, it's not even going to "punish" anyone except some Ops guys who have to work to filter out your shit traffic. |
| 23:39.49 | tz | a script kiddie probably lost an arena match even while using hacks so they decided to ddos as retribution |
| 23:40.29 | tz | ls |
| 23:40.41 | Unkle | I guess my reward systems are all jacked up. I can't even imagine doing something that boring without a payoff. |
| 23:41.24 | nevcairiel | they just like causing trouble, its their rewards |
| 23:41.38 | nevcairiel | screwed up kids wont learn |
| 23:42.43 | kullervo | ddossing is a federal crime in basically all countries |
| 23:43.05 | nevcairiel | unfortunately its often hard to find the person ordering the ddos |
| 23:43.08 | nevcairiel | or controlling |
| 23:43.20 | kullervo | yeah rented botnets and all that |
| 23:43.22 | nevcairiel | wish they would and screw age, imprison them |
| 23:44.11 | Unkle | Nah, just deny them computer access and only dumbphones. |
| 23:44.37 | nevcairiel | its impossible to deny someone computer access without constant supervision in this age |
| 23:44.43 | nevcairiel | so just lock them up |
| 23:45.05 | Unkle | I'm for fewer, not more incarcerations. |
| 23:45.19 | kullervo | that's the best technichal solution |
| 23:46.45 | nevcairiel | alternative punishments also have to be enforceable |
| 23:47.37 | nevcairiel | you could also make them pay every single cent of damages and ruin them financially for ever |
| 23:47.50 | kullervo | cutting off their hands would work, nobody' |
| 23:48.02 | kullervo | s going to use complex technichal systems with just voice commands |
| 23:48.33 | kullervo | "cruel and unusual" |
| 23:49.07 | foxlit | curel and usual is a-ok, though, so just repeat until it sticks? |
| 23:50.48 | nevcairiel | we just have to get through some of those hand cutting-offs, then it becomes usual |
| 23:51.26 | znf | uh |
| 23:51.28 | znf | beta is up |
| 23:51.31 | znf | *prays for artifact* |
| 23:53.13 | znf | ...nope. |
| 23:58.37 | znf | lol @ nerf |
| 23:58.45 | znf | Kirin Tor ring nerfed to iLvl 850 |
